Premier League – Matchweek 12

Shocking miss by Van Dick Head for the RS then.

I pay for Fubo tv to watch the premier league hope they get their act together when the Everton game is on, I don't know if any one else has a problem with them but they are the worst coverage of the premier league league ever, I have watched 2 Everton games before that were 15min behind the actual game, and watching the Forest game today they have interrupted it with commercials and come back with a different game warming up.

Jeez, Bill. Get yourself well practiced with any half-decent laptop and play the link game. Frustrations can be minimized and you aren't being ripped off.

Will I have new laptop but I watch the games on TV and use the laptop to to keep up to date with other games or contribute to ToffeeWeb.like Liverpool just loosing to FOREST

Bill, I wasn't being patronizing but didn't know your set-up.

I do similar to you, with two laptops or screens. With things set well, watching games via links is pretty viable now, bit of input needed here and there but (mostly) perfectly fine when viewed against some of the costs (and "Quality") of the pay options.

As to your last line - what a great result to start the weekend!

Klopp is such a moaner. You’d think his team was the only one playing three games this week. He sounds like his head’s gone totally. So many excuses and blaming everyone else.

I know a goal at the near post is automatically a keeper error, but watch that strike by Trossard for Brighton against one of the best in Man City's Ederson.

So no, I don't buy "automatic keeper error".

Too many successful attacks and strikes are put down to defensive "Mistakes".

Watching the sky Game of the Day, man City v Brighton, and I’m sorry, but that penalty decision for city is outrageous. Bernardo Silva clearly leaves his left leg outstretched, knowing there would be contact from the Brighton defender, and hey ho, down he goes. Never a penalty in my opinion, and Silva should be booked for simulation. Yet again referees are conned by the actions of the so called big six clubs.

David, I saw the Sky highlights earlier on YT. I'd go further and say he even extended his leg unnaturally offline into the Brighton player's space to make the contact. The ball was going out of his reach too, it looked. So much fakery.

What makes it worse is that he went and watched it on the telly before giving the decision.

Will, simulation. Pure and simple. Yellow card for Silva. Refs have got to get on top of this.

If you watch these Sky highlights, you see the full extent of it all, from two angles in two speeds, it actually looks obvious even in full speed. The ref at first has a completely uninterested bearing, until the pressure comes onto him.

Link

From 1.00. Yep, simulation.

Still watching this man city game, and I can’t believe the number of empty seats at the Etihad, despite city winning 3-1. Is Goodison the same when we are comfortably winning? I’ve had a season ticket for years, but have never noticed if the stadium empty’s out several minutes before the end when we have a comfortable lead?

That doesn't happen at Goodison, David, not on any great scale that I've seen. Only ever was the away fans, back when the cops used to ship them out early.

Will, I consider man City fans to be like us, very loyal and a lot of local fans, so why they feel the need to empty out before the final whistle is a mystery to me.

Could be for the exit grand prix perhaps? Don't remember it being so bad to get away from when I was there. Place sometimes looks part empty from the off, hence the nickname.

David

I think City’s loyal local fan base is 25,000 - 30,000 which they got at Maine Rd. Some of them are priced out now. I suspect the additional 25,000 they’ve picked up at the Etihad are corporate seats, glory hunters and out of towners worrying about catching trains

Interesting to hear Danny Murphy consider James Tarkowski the best English centre half in premier league at the moment. I would think that Conor Coady is actually playing better than Tarkowski, so what are the odds on both our centre backs starting for England at the World Cup? Personally I think Coady will go only as a squad member, and probably not get a single minute on the pitch, while unfortunately Tarkowski won’t get a look in. Southgate will no doubt pick Harry “Do you know who I am” Maguire, and Eric Dier, who sometimes performs like his surname, Dire!

Wow, Murphy said that? Did he look drunk, or coked up?

You're likely right about Southgate's choices, David.

Murphy always looks suicidal after the rs lose a game, Will.

Colin :-)

Danny’s missus will be happy. Villa 1 up against Brentford. Actually, make that 2 in the first seven minutes.

Arsenal 1-0. Was only a matter of time.

Villa going mental at Villa Park. 3-0 after 14 minutes. Ings now has two, including a penalty.

Yep I'm smiling. Sort of!!!

Looking at Villa now 3 up, this is exactly why managers should be given more time (at least Forest did), as we also know from our experience.

Moyes: 11 years; some Everton managers, barely 11 minutes.

Joe, could just as easily be, that they are now performing with the creases ironed out.

Goals flying in everywhere. Leeds 1-0 against Fulham and Leicester 2 up at Wolves.

Does the scoreline at Villa show that the players did not want to play for slippy G.

It's all still so tight. If we'd lost yesterday (any score), know where we'd be right now?

In the Bottom 3.

Will & Bill, we will never know, but Rangers players didn't have a problem.

On another note, good to see David Unsworth get a win under his belt yesterday as they have been on a bad run.

Joe, true, no certainties, and no full picture for us as outsiders.

I hope Unsworth can continue from here - for him and the team.

I think Wolves may be going "wandering" this season and at the end of the season could find their destination in the Championship.

Leicester were always going to be too good to go down and again, sack managers at your peril, they could have blown Brendan out of the water a few weeks ago but just goes to show, don't pull the trigger too fast.

Very nice equalizer from Armstrong for Southampton.

Mikel not happy, gesticulating like a madman.

Chevy Chase might be getting the shepherd’s crook next.

Fulham looking a really tidy side under Marco, I think he's finally starting to develop as a manager. He's still a relatively young man in terms of the managerial world, much like our Frank.

Will be a tough old trip next Saturday teatime for us and we need to bring yesterday's performance to the table because anything sloppy like at Newcastle will see us get turned over.

Leeds down by 3-1 wonder if there may be more firings?

Wolves only have an interim manager so there may be a change there even though he was informed he was in for the rest of the year.

Is Jesse Marsch going to file a complaint against Fulham for scoring too many goals?

Gutted about the Leicester result, would absolutely love them to go down.

Jim, it's a biggie alright, to get towards mid-table as opposed to above relegation.

Fulham playing well but not a great defence, have conceded 22 goals. We need to take the attack we showed yesterday onto the road now.

Not sure why Colin, a side that dared to win major trophies outside the Sky/BBC adoration clubs. Don't like Vardy (I'll give you that).

I have had the unfortunate opportunity to spend time with their delusional fans – talk about entitlement, they talk as if they football royalty. The way the club treated Ranieri was nothing short of a disgrace, I honestly despise them.

I can't say I despise Leicester.

I get that their fans have probably got carried away a bit and like all fan bases, they have a dickhead section that are Billy Big Boots.

But in fairness to Leicester they have won 3 domestic Cups and a league title in the last 25 years, so they do have some right to brag off.

The Geordies on the other hand have won sweet FA for more than half a century yet, after two good seasons under Keegan, they elevate themselves into thinking they are a bigger club than Everton.

Leicester don't think they are a big club, they are an average sized club that has had a good amount of success in the last 2 decades.

Jim, you're right about the deluded Geordies. No way on this earth are they a bigger club than us.

As you say, the last major honour they won was the old Fairs Cup in the 1968-69 season. The last time they won the league was in the 1926-27 season, 95 years ago!!

They won the Intertoto in 2006 and were Championship winners in 2017, but to me, they are not major honours.

I wonder if Leeds hierarchy will be taking a hard look at Jesse Marsch as they say he only has 2 points from the last 24.

David 43,

It's something that exists only within the boundaries of Newcastle.

They don't possess a crumb of evidence to back up the grand ideas they have of being this huge club, but primarily it's because they get 52,000 in a one-team city.

Some sound Geordie's don't get me wrong but those with false grandeur are pure bellendery at the highest order.

Biggest dickhead clubs in football, ranked:

1. Red shite, hands down. And that's not a biased opinion. In every category.

2. Spurs. So over-rated for so long it's almost become a self fulfilling prophecy. Champions League by tacit media campaign. Friends in high places lol. Don't you even fucking ever dare to compare them to us.

3. Barcodes. Absolutely horrendous bunch of inbred one horse town no marks who haven't won anything since the mid-1950s. They're an absolute joke but the media loves backing these.

4. Aston Villa. Another inbred shower but they've at least won a big pot so have to give them some leeway. Everything else won pretty much before electricity. Like having an argument with Preston fans who got lucky one year.

5. Leeds. Amazing how the media fawns over these bad racists. It's weird. Had a few good years in the '70s when the NF were big but were as dirty as fuck. And somehow scraped a title in 92 with Howard Yorkshireman.

The rest are just average dickheads. Leicester have some margin to boast to be fair, and good luck to them. Anyone who can break the Sky / FA glass ceiling is okay with me.

Probably the right decision on that Wilson goal for the Geordies. He just ran into Lloris... unavoidable?

Although if that's anyone on Pickford and we'd be screaming Blue murder, bias and corruption of the highest degree.

It's a funny old game.

Well to me, that Newcastle goal should have been disallowed.

How many times do we see an outfield player knock the ball past an opponent, who just happens to be in close proximity to the player playing the ball, and “blocks him off” from chasing the ball, and a foul awarded.

That's what happened for the Newcastle goal. Lloris chested the ball past Wilson who blocked Lloris, but not only blocking him, by putting his arm around Lloris. Definite foul by Wilson.

Goes without saying that the RS are the biggest dickhead club, but I'd have the Barcodes at number two right now.

Absolute embarrassment of a fan-base, with their fat naked bellies and stupid accents, now owned by a murdering scumbag regime of oil snakes, yet no shame at all about it in the Toon. All that shit they chat about us being Scouse Mackems, they're Geordie Red Shite.

Other than those two, I don't really have a problem with any other club, though the Leeds fans are in some kind of 1970s time-warp. Last time they came to Goodison, some of their twerps were trying to pick fights with the police horses, that's how laughably thick they are.

Newcastle 2 up

Lloris having a mare today

Lot of hype now around Newcastle. They're a decent Top 8 club on a good run at the moment.

Spurs are poor, getting found out a lot at the moment.

Wow, Spurs getting their heads handed to them at the moment.

David, Wilson just stood there and Lloris ran into him. He's not allowed to obstruct, but he's also not required to get out of the way. Could have gone either way, but I'm 51-49 with the ref on that one.

Got to say, with a little bit more composure, this could've easily been us leading Spurs 2-0 in the first half last week...

Spurs looking average, but then I wasn't overly impressed with them against us either.

Arguably it could have been us 2-0 up at half-time if Gray and Onana had scored.

Conte doesn't stick around anywhere long, I'll give him 'til the end of the season before he's saying ciao.

Newcastle looking very composed too, better than when they played us.

Mike 53.

I agree, not sure what Wilson was meant to do, but it happens all the time all over the pitch.

A player gets blocked off when the blocking player is in close proximity, having no chance to get out of the way, yet a foul is always given for obstruction.

Newcastle don't have many great players at present, Guimares and Almiron are playing extremely well and Wilson always a threat.

It goes to show with a little bit of belief and ambition, you can take a club a long way.

That's what I hope Frank can do for us, get into the players minds and ignore much of the boardroom nonsense of what Farhad used to come out with about "we don't expect to win those games".

Why fucking not?

This league outside Manchester City is there for anyone to have a pop at, and we should be going away to Spurs and basically saying "Who the fuck are you".

Fear gets you nowhere.

Redknapp talking shite. That's never a foul on clown lloris. Spurs are very moderate. They were against us.

David, 19, Lol,

I am the captain of Man Utd!

Probably wanted VIP treatment from Greek police lol.

Bruno Guinessmares running the show, always seems to find space.

David #57, true enough.

As our old friend Tim Howard said on NBC, if the ref had whistled a foul against Wilson immediately, before he got the shot away, it wouldn't have been much disputed.

I myself have called it both ways, depending on the phase of the moon and what I had for lunch.

Well, Spurs get away with giving away a penalty with handball and go up the other end and are given an offside goal.

Bill,

I cannot understand that, clear as day offside, an unbelievable decision. Did the VAR not see that it came off a Tottenham player?

The Harry Kane factor at work, he seems to get a lot of decisions in his favour.

Can't upset the England skipper
can we now..

Maybe we're wrong and they saw it differently from a better angle? It is situations like that, if you could hear what the VAR was saying in justifying his decision, everything would be clear.

Tony,

You have to laugh: Tottenham, the masters of time-wasting, complaining to the ref about Newcastle time-wasting!

On another note, I notice the RS Smurphy said that the City player hung his leg out to get a penalty against Brighton. Which was right.

However, he never condemned Kane for what he did to get the penalty against Pickford last week – Hypocrite and a thoroughly useless pundit.

This ref at Spurs is managing to control a game that could get out of hand, now Newcastle have brought on their hatchet man Shelvey.

Wonder where Everton will be putting the away team's supporters in the new stadium?

Bill, hopefully over the water in Prenton Park.

Seriously though, the away fans will be located in the northeast corner of the stadium.

Newcastle joining City and Chelsea in demonstrating that, in order to follow the SAF blueprint of buying success, you MUST have a shedload of dough.

Can Arsenal do a Leicester and be the exception that proves the rule? I doubt it.

Looking at this weekends results just shows how important our win was yesterday.

David, is that the top stand or the lower?

Put the away fans up in the gods out the way. Preferably behind a Perspex screen. Breathing vents optional in derbies..

61,726 at Spurs today, I still think we are missing a trick with BMD.

Before anyone says Man City and the Emptyhad, that's for a Tuesday night on Champions League games (in winter) against opposition that is not a huge name (after 10 years of qualifying). They are looking at increasing to at least 60k.

I've underestimated Newcastle. Looked very assured today, and it seems like Eddie Howe is proving that he can ‘do it' at more than one club.

However, I do find it surprising that people aren't making a big fuss about the Saudi ownership – considering how disgusted many people have been regarding the golf tour and various big boxing events (all paid out of the same dirty, bottomless pocket).

Politics aside, it appears that Howe and his team have been much less reckless with their newfound wealth than we were.

Bill 74. Top tier I think, which could be extended to the lower tier for cup games.

Put them all in the Mersey!

On a serious note, don't do a Newcastle. It's out of order. Not for a reasonably fit person like myself, but keeping the supporters away from the atmosphere.

Hopefully the safe standing will help increase the numbers. But nothing takes away the passion or atmosphere.

On the subject of the away fans section, does my memory serve me right that in an FA cup game (with our extra ticket allocation) at St James's Park 20-odd years ago, we were split into 2 opposite corners of the ground?

I've all but wiped that game from my memory seeing as they spanked us 4-1 and the West Country Blues coach I was on kept breaking down - making a very long trip even longer! Someone on here will know for sure.

Oh, and a belated ‘welcome' to David Pugh.

Lloris is shite. I can see Daneil Levey getting on the blower to Bill. telling him he has a fantastic deal for him. A swap deal Lloris for Pickford and Kenwright biting his arm off.

Duncan 80. You are correct with what you say. We were for some reason in opposite corners of the stadium. I was in the “Away end” while we also had fans I think, in the corner of the home end, The Gallowgate end.

I assume the only reason being Newcastle didn't want us all together and drowning out the Geordies. We scored a belter from Rhino, can't remember if it was an equaliser or to put us ahead, but as you say we lost 4-1.

David, I was living in Scotland at the time ( significantl other is from there ) traveled on own. Yes rhino equalised and I remember them geordies singing Duncan’s going to Wembley. Another sad blessed Walter day.

Villa appoint Unai Emery as their new manager. Let’s hope Villa have the new manager affect on Saturday and do them deluded Geordies.

Surely that was handball? He moved both arms towards the ball and pushed it forward?

I'd be fuming if I was Bournemouth.

Another London team being looked after: West Ham player used his arm before the goal yet it was allowed.

Crease head replaced by Count Dracula.

Good appointment by Villa.

Unbelievable blunder by Mike Dean on the VAR. That's the most obvious overturn I've seen this season besides Gordon's goal, and somehow Dean allows that blatant handball to stand. That ref Coote will spend years wishing he'd gone to the pitchside monitor and looked at it himself.

That should have been a red card for Lerma. He jumped in, two feet off the ground, in a scissor kick action and caught the West Ham player around the shin. Very similar to what the VAR deemed a red card for Allan last season.

Getting Emery out of Spain is a coup for Villa. Four Europa League trophies and a Champions League semi-final. Yeah, he flopped at Arsenal, but anybody replacing Wenger was gonna fail in that gig. This guy knows how to prepare a team.

David, sorry, he won't take over Villa until after the Skunks game. November 1 is his start date.

Bournemouth looking dangerous in the last 15 minutes, checking for handball against them and penalty given to West Ham and they score. Penalty was doubtful but it was given.

I had a little argument about the pundits at half time, my mate was insisting that the pundit with Carragher was Murphy. I don't know his first name.

I said it was Sean Dyche. Can anyone who saw the interviews, and was interested, confirm who it was?

Christmas Fixture timetable been announced.

6 teams have escaped having to play 3 days later, Saints, Wolves, Palace, West Ham Chelsea and Leicester
We travel to City after a 4 rest days and they have had only 2.
Then we host Brighton with both teams having had 2 rest days.

Spurs must have slipped somebody a brown envelope. Brentford (a), Villa (h), Palace (a). 45 miles of travelling. Just hope they enjoy the home cooking too much. Brentford travel just to West Ham.

We haven't done badly with 2 home games and a trip to MiddleEastlands.

4 derby/local matches on Boxing Day. Tuesday 3rd - Brighton all the way to Merseyside, Newcastle to London.

And then add in the trains on strike and the cost of fuel. Some people are not going to be happy, especially the Geordies. 2 away games, Leicester and Arsenal.

U21s at home (Southport) to Hertha tonight at 7.00 pm.

Watching the Champions League game between Red Bull Salzburg and Chelsea, and there's just been an incident whereby Conor Gallagher knocked the ball around a Salzburg player, who was stood very near to Gallagher.

Needless to say, there was a collision between the two, simply because they were inches apart, yet a foul is awarded for Chelsea due to obstruction by the Salzburg player.

This was no different to the Newcastle goal on Sunday, whereby Lloris knocked the ball past Callum Wilson but was obstructed by Wilson. So which decision is right, the one on Sunday or the one tonight, because both incidents were identical???

The missed sitter of a lifetime in the Celtic game. Watch it back and you won't believe it.

A bit late to the game here, but who was the number 4 midfield player for Ajax? Looked really good.

I'm sure Robert Tressell can pull out his dossier!

Danny,

The Ajax number 4 is Edson Alvarez, the guy Tuchel wanted at Chelsea as a holding midfielder. He is good, but I didn't think he was in the same class as Martinez, Gravenberch, Anthony etc who all did get sold.

But he might have kicked on in their absence because it's a very young team again at Ajax and he is one of the stalwarts now, although only 25.