Pitiful exhibition of Premier League football incompetence

COYBLUES!

We've lost already...sigh

Why-oh-why does he persist with the same team more-or-less that lost at HOME to Soton?

A back 4, with Idrissa as a screen; Davies, Doucoure and Onana swamping their midfield and putting pressure on Rice, with Gray and DCL the counter attack, over the top threat.

What does Lampard, the surrender Monkey do; plays a RWB who will probably last 55-60 mins before being goosed? A back three that haven't played together this season? Still playing Myko who looks shorn of confidence (Why loan Vinagre, if you're not going to try him?) We already know that Idrissa, Iwobi and Onana doesn't work as a unit. The only thing he has done has kept the 'mercurial' Gray and a still not fit DCL upfront.

If Simms doesn't come on with more than 9 minutes left, let him go back to Sunderland...

My fervent hope, is that we win, get the 3 points, and we sack Lampard. He is a terrible, clueless, inept, demotivating, I've been in football a long time, neo-progressive (I.e. plays systems that doesn't fit his squad), careless non-entity of a coach.

COYB, UTFT

BK out, DBB out, FL&Co out!!!

Lampard is, see [5]

Both teams setup defensively. Set pieces could be key.

Cresswell off the bench for them to score against little armed, poor position Pickford.

But.. we live in hope.

Could have been offside, and we could have had a penalty, with a different VAR referee, but come on Everton, watching us pass to nowhere, and not break sweat is soul destroying.

Iwobi, made the mistake that cost us here last year, but when he rushed, whilst in possession in a dangerous area, even though West Ham, had 80 yards to travel, and Tarkowski should have ended up off the pitch with both the ball and a Antonio, I just knew it was going to be two nil.

Got to go for it in the 2nd half.

Change to
Pick
Vin, Mik, Coady, Mina, Holgate.
Onana.
Gordon, Gray.
McNeil, Dom.

Go forward, fast, direct and cross, shoot, cross, head, cross, shoot, cross and more crosses.

Forget passing around and loosing the ball without threatening their goal.

The defence is a shambles. Tarkowski is all over the place, is Coady actually on the pitch and Mina doesn't seem to know where he or the other two are supposed to be.

Still the hypocritical cowards known as the Board are out in force in what must be their farewell appearance!

Pathetic all around!

That's really all I have to say and all this club merits.

You make your own luck, and now for the fight and belief to be shown, and no more basic errors like the 2nd goal.. Needless.

45 minutes to get a result.

3-5-2, only works with decent wingbacks, and after watching and managing us last week, I honestly don't know how it has been possible for the manager to pick the same two wingbacks again.

West Ham have some decent players, they won't be anywhere near the relegation zone by May.

Lampard is incompetent, surrounded by incompetent sidekicks. Tactically inept at the extreme

If he's not sacked tonight, he needs to do the decent thing and walk. Or we're going down

My anniversary today and I thought I may get a performance that at least would cheer me up, but this performance makes you feel like walking in a river till your hat floats. I see more effort from my Great Grand kids building a snowman.

Why do they even bother in training with short passes and shots on goal when they cant do it in a game, it looks like we may get a new manager and the only one's fault for that is the present manager,, being screwed by the Owner and Board like the rest of them.

I assume Frank will go if we lose and I assume Dyche will be offered the job. We'll still be following them whatever happens. It's become so poor that I'm fairly serene about it.

Everton are now the benchmark in English football of how not to run a club or an academy. Every department unfit for purpose.

It's time now to offload some of our high value players and get in some attacking talent to try to avoid the drop.

Get rid of Pickford, Gordon, DCL and raise £150 million plus to try and buy our existence in the Prem.

If we go down with these high value players still at the club their value will drop significantly.

If we lose today, though, I do accept (much later than most) that Frank should go.

Too slow, and not enough belief. Some one take a few shots, and bring on Simms.

Last chance saloon, but no decent deliveries, and so a few pot shots now, as Everton, ain't working their keeper, and DCL, needs to take a few gambles while he is still on.

There's just under half a season to go, but very poor today, for such a massive game, and alehouse crossing to the wrong areas, and made it too easy for West Ham.

Now the fight is on and fight and guts are needed, and to reset with the 2 week break.

Whose in charge in 2 weeks time, who knows.

A massive loss of status, but Everton will still be here. We might even have something positive to play for in the years to come, not just the looming spectre of the drop.

We'll be back, well within a decade. This club belongs at the top table. In the meantime, we might even enjoy following the blues.

As someone said above, I'm beyond frustration now; if no-one else can see how poor Lampard has been since his arrival, I despair.

Still supporting the Blues, but for the love of God, sack Lampard, and put him out of his and our misery.

Frank out now ffs

Sadly, Lamoard gone by Monday, but no idea who can get this bunch of misfits to stop looking quite so shit and get us out of this terrible situation,

For the next ten games my prediction is (considered that Lampard is still here and we cannot add 23 players during this month) 0 point, 2 goals in favour (one of them an own goal) and 30 goals for the opponents.

And finally, I am sure I still will read here some fans asking for Lampard to stay.

Rip it up and start again.

The only positive for me was that he took Mykolenko off. The lad is not good enough and epitomises the 'play it back' style we've become accustomed too.

We're going down with this manager. At least throw the dice and hope a new manager can offer something new tactically.

v) A.N. Other, Gareth Ainsworth for example

Who would you like to be in charge. Of course, you could still vote stay with Lampard(?)

Post a vote, or don't.

Everton has been the love and the creation of those who came before us and is our love too. It will not be lost.

Fifteen points on offer, not a single point taken. It's great getting a result at Man City, but it counts for little if we can't stop those teams around us taking maximum points off us. Even five draws in those fixtures would have given us an outside chance, but as it is, we're done for, I also think that Saints and Bournemouth will go alongside us.

Dave @ 55 Thank you for your wishes, after 62yrs we have a lot of fantastic memories, unfortunately not many of them include Everton.

As other people have said we do have some decent players, the problem is getting a manager who can use them as a team and not a bunch of individuals., that seem like they have just met. Other teams seem to play out of trouble moving forward we seem to go 2 moves forward and 5 moves backward.

He's got Boro' rocking again, and the support of the (functional) board.

I just can't see him coming here unfortunately.

We are going through the darkest period in our history and this guy has nothing else on his mind. First thing and name mentioned after every single game...Whether he plays or not.

Nothing like Betty Davies eyes...For some.

I guess most Evertonians will be more worried about the clubs plight

Controlling the pace of the game or maybe just playing at a snails pace. Moving the ball well from defence to midfield to defence back to midfield and rinse and repeat for 94 mins.

Nothing up top at all. DCL didn't cause any issues for the west ham defenders.

Typical of the game is that with seconds remaining the center half is playing 1 twos with the goalie.

2 strikers on the bench, getting beat and no attacking subs introduced.

Tarkowski should have been subbed at half time for giving the 2nd goal away. Real poor defending at any level.

No fight, no heart, no shots, no intent, no goals. What do they do in training all week.

I am resigned to the drop now with this crew. From top to bottom the club is a mess.

Sorry Frank but someone else needs to have a go.

Gordon not coming on must mean he's off. Our only hope is using the money for some quality in midfield and get some goals in the side from somewhere.

The only way I can see the fans and team coming together is if someone like Rooney comes in, which goes against the whole DoF picking his coach plan methodology but it's probably what can galvanise this group of no hopers.

This is what they look like

The wide players can be chosen from McNeil, Iwobi, Gray and Gordon. In the middle I would have Onana, Davies and Garner when fit. The ball control of Gana is dreadful. Up front, DCL and the new boy.

We just CANNOT play it out from defence, to build an attack. We don't have the players for that. We had 66% possession. As much as it's anti-football, it has to go long, with more support for DCL (who I think, though, has just lost whatever it was he had).

Christy @90, another good call perhaps.

This is the sort of thinking we need. All is not lost, not at all.

Come on everyone, we must honour our heritage as fans.

Hopeless manager and if they don't sack him, I won't bother watching them get stuffed all the way to the championship. What's the point?

The only hope is that the owner is in the building...why else would he come?

Hardly fulsome support for Frank from Kenwright and Moshiri as they were interviewed just now.

The fightback begins in August.

- I'm not even angry, I'm just sad. I feel like I've lost a loved one. Bereaved feeling. Can't be angry at them dying.

- There's no point appointing a new manager now, the bounce opportunity for next two games is ZERO. Whilst allowing Ferguson and Unsworth to go was likely right, there's not even a caretaker plan. It's like we got in the bath with the toaster. It's literally that dumb, it feels deliberate. Would Ashley Cole do it for two game knowing a new man would likely bin him? Nope. So what?? Maybe just a hiding to nothing and let Tait have two games. Or Coleman as a player manager??

- either way, Frank has to go and tonight. Play managerless if we have to. It'll make no difference. He's repeatedly tried the same failing players in the same failing system. There isn't a plan here, just an utter car crash. On repeat mode.

- The only logical move I can see is Dyche in tomorrow (and accept the next two games as irrelevant) and somehow get him 2 attacking players, 2 creative players and 2 fullbacks in the next 10 days…..but any player daft enough to come here now is only for the money or shits and giggles.

- guess the biggest question of all is whether Dyche is the man to ride out a relegation and get us straight back up again next year? Make no mistake, that is the ONLY criteria we should be selecting the next manager on. If Thelwell is staying (and let's face it, we'll be lucky if they sack Frank even now) then maybe it's Nuno Santo rather than Dyche. He's got less chance of saving us I feel, but more chance of building something to get us up.

Man. What am I typing. It's all just pointless waffle. But that's where we are. There's nothing to get hopeful about. The club is utterly broken. It's not dying, it's dead….we're just slashing the heart jolting things in the vain hope there is a way back.

Get Sean Dyche in tomorrow.

Get rid of Keane, Gordon, McNeill, Maupay and anyone else and don't sign foreign showboaters but sign players that will fight for this club and can play aggressive quick football.

I'm close to being done, now. Sick of reading TW. Checking for signings. Arguing with Evertonians. Getting hopes up and being continually let down. It's futile.

Anyone who says there are 3 worse teams is deluded. We're a laughing stock.

15 goals in 20 games tells its own story.

The incompetent board look at a narrow choice of players and managers.

Passing the buck to Thelwell.

We can still stay up but need the right Direction from the top. We have been a rudderless ship for far too long.

I couldn't honestly vent an opinion on this game but funnily I had to switch off when the pictures became distorted and all the players were moving in extra fast movements like an old Charlie Chaplin movie, the fastest we have performed for a long time but still as hopeless and useless.

Thanks again Michael you did very well today.

A foreign manager will be appointed who will get the sack 12 months later.

We are a basket case.

There aren't 3 teams worse than us.

The fate of the club rests on the shoulders of a lad we are trying to get in on loan.

We have to regain our confidence and integrity back.

Should have been binned during the WC and the time used to bring in a new manager, who would have had some time to assess the squad and decide on changes during the Jan transfer window. As usual, Everton sticks it's collective head in the sand and hopes by some miracle doing the same thing over and over will yield a different result.

Now Lampard will be sacked, and the new manager will have barely a week of the transfer window left and have to play the league leaders in his very first game, followed by the derby in his second!

The management of this club isn't even up to amateur standard.

Just why?

No longer is there the lure of "the project" and the resources to back it - just a new stadium which may or may not be ours in a couple of years time.

I do not see Lampard going anywhere unless a replacement is actually lined up, ready and willing to step straight in. Even Moyes - why would he come?

Just why?

And I just wish there was a banner which said - "Graeme Sharpe, ex-legend. Just do the honourable thing!"

Hint - it includes the lyrics:

"WE'RE CAUGHT IN A TRAP I CAN'T GO ON"

It's time for everyone to calm down, and for the club to start preparing for the championship.

I was desperate for us to replace Lampard, right up until the Southampton match. But now it's too late to keep us up, I'd prefer it if we avoided making a new appointment on a permanent basis. If it's going to cost us to get shut of him now, then keep him on and make him deal with the mess he's gotten us into.

Is this the most comically inept Board of any English top level club in history? I think so.

They don't need to go grasping at straws, or roll the dice like we do all the time!

Danjuma is a plus, we need another three or four that improve us. It wont happen though.

Its the same stuff every week. Said first week of the season we have nothing going forward. We still don't.

Dyche

I hope he quits but if he does he won't get another job so I fear he will stay on. As for the board? Pass the buck. Who decides then? Thelwell? fans? Usmanov? They're openly admitting they won't do their jobs but they refuse to leave? Are they some kind of sicko under cover RS trying to destroy us?

Moshiri spineless.
I didn't expect him to say anything about Franks future, but that was a total spineless comment from a person not worthy of an association with our once elite club.

Kenwright not much better than Moshiri in his response to the question about Franks future.

The timing wasn't right for the question to be answered. However, hats off to Gary Cotterall for getting them to at least speak, albeit a total denial by one, and a weak/lame answer from the other.
I think Franks time is up.
But, unless the dynamic duo have already lined somebody up, who would take the job?
18 games to pull a rabbit out of the hat, is not a bad shout.
Whoever it is, give them a contract to the end of the season with a relatively attractive salary, and use the time to get the right person in ( whoever that may be) ready to start afresh next season.
Who thought Eddie Howe would work the wonders he has done at Newcastle?
Steve Cooper is another, often overlooked by the so-called know-alls, but he pulls more than rabbits out of hats.
Kenwright and Moshiri make the likes of the Ken Bates and Roman Abramovich look like saints.
Why was Moshiri there today after being absent for the last 12 months? He will be back in Monaco tomorrow afternoon, leaving Kenwright to wield the axe.
Frank doesn't deserve this, but he needs to leave (if he goes) with his head held as high as possible. Where was Uncle Harry when he took the job?

We are not getting six or seven wins from the remaining fixtures. It is over, and has been for weeks now. If we come to terms with that now, we can get through this with a bit of dignity.

Kenwright looks like he's cleared up the entire matchday buffett. I wish he and Moshiri get dropped kicked in the middle of the ocean. Be great to never see those two faces ever again

It won't mean anything, but at least it will give a wider view of how us fans here feel about what sort of manager is required.

'Twould be great if you could something along those lines Michael.

Good wishes,

Simon

Stop fucking flopping.

George @156, absolutely right. The greedy bastards run the game and our world.

Madness

Nothing else to say

It seems obvious that Moshiri has put Kenwright in charge of footballing matters. Our current situation is the culmination of that.

Kenwright employs 'Yes Men' in every area of EFC. Only those who are no threat to him are employed. The man is a total incompetent narcissist.

Moshiri, or those who pull his strings need to realise at long last, that while Kenwright and Baxendale remain, there is only one direction that the club is heading, which is down and possibly out, for good.

Whoever is brought in should Lampard be dismissed, the immediate need is to part with our two most sellable assets, Gordon and Pickford. The money from the sale of those two, could potentially provide the purchase of four players capable of saving us from relegation and the financial disaster that goes with it.

But the Board, - the constant, in terms of their position in the club, they're not gonna budge soon, the manager, and the Team, must be accountable, and they need to sort out their game plans for Arsenal and then Old Nick.

It's criminal to play football and not shoot to score, today was a killer in that barely one shot on target as in most games of late, too few attempts on goal.

Too slow, and too feeble at times, take the easy options, - pass in sideways or backwards,, and no leadership on the Park. The mentality and belief, and confidence to shoot is gone.

A couple of weeks, to try and begin salvaging this season, and perhaps the future of EFC.

Sack Frank right now, appoint someone experienced who can organise this team and motivate them.

Too much time has been wasted, it's been crystal clear to many of us that Frank Lampard is not a natural manger. He's tying but week after week it's poor decisions and a clueless team performances.

End it, it may now be too late, but at least try to fix this.

Part of me thinks they're stalling because they're waiting on/don't have a replacement.

Part of me thinks they're simply full of rubbish.

All of me thinks we'll be waiting a long time for Frank to turn things around.

Whoever has the decision should make it, and make it right now.

Or I can do a Farhad and say in the tried and trusted Everton Way: "It's not my decision."

We have 2 potential wingers, neither stays wide and not once did we get to the bye line.

Remember Johnny Morrissey and Joe Royle? It's not rocket science but seems to be beyond our coaching staff.

Well, here we are. What do the experts suggest now and who do they suggest can get us out of it??

The question is whose decision is it? Thelwell or the Board or both. Moshiri will be consulted for sure. Irrespective - they have to act today and sack Frank.

That was the worst I ever remember and we're getting worse. West Ham are poor. Southampton are poor. As are Bournemouth and Wolves et al. BUT we're even poorer. Unbelievably bad.

A good manager could make a team that is greater than the sum of its parts. Those players are good enough to stay up - in the right hands. Frank can't do it. Enough is enough.

We need to separate

1) the immediate need for a new manager to save us from relegation, from

2) the need for structural change - which will not be immediate.

1) has to be our priority. Of course continue with a push for 2) but let's avoid the drop first.

Lampard was 15 after 19 games before today. We will finish on 28 - 29 points at season's end on this "form".

We have no attack, no Richarlison and better teams to face. I'm more concerned than I've ever been, including during the '90s. We were never this bad.

Any thoughts?

It may be contractual that certain relegation means a terminated contract with no pay off (by which time it is too late of course) but at the end of the day I wouldn't be surprised if it was beyond the P&S rules to terminate his contract now, or possibly exhausting any minimal resources for player acquisitions.

If he was on gardening leave, at least his remuneration would be spread out over time and the cost of any mug brought in to replace him could be covered in the meantime.

We should only go for Dyche if we think he's the man to lead us out of the championship.

The time to roll the dice or hit the panic button has passed. The decisions we take now will dictate our fortunes over the next decade or so. Let's make our next move a considered one.

I'm with John K, Greame Sharp is a disgrace (oh but of course he's one of us). I keep saying it (I know), but when I asked Graeme a question years ago about his opinion of Moyes and our lack of goals (approx 2006), he just ignored me.

We will catch Bournemouth and Forest with Dyche in. We might even do it with Leighton in charge, unfortunately the worst of the bad option available at close to 7.00pm on another bad Saturday is the current manager.

But we desperately need to start with a new manager and hope that Thelwell (if it is his decision) has the balls to make the call and that they have been doing diligence on a replacement for weeks which should be the case with even a half arsed organisation (we're not even half arsed though I suppose)

He needs to tell fans there are no guarantees and if the youngsters have to come in to ruffle a few feathers (Gordon, Gana, McNeil, DCL etc) that's just the way it is.

Remember these are young millionaires who really don't give a shit so the new man has to be strong from the get go and put a few noses out of joint. In that respect I can't see past Dyche and Allardyce but then again I don't play computer games so the sexy foreign names are a mystery to me.

Certainly no job for a young up and coming idealist.

Like I said, if Dyche is genuinely the man with the vision to get us back to the top table then I'm all for him coming in ASAP. But if he's just a desperate hire to try and keep us up, then no thanks. I'd rather we kept our money for the summer.

If we make the right moves now we will be back in this league soon enough. Hitting the panic button now it's too late would not be the right move.

Anyway, unless we get a manager to come in, there's little point in getting rid of Frank just yet.

I type this because I wouldn't rather watch players attempt to play football than watch Sam or Dyche anti- football. If that means we go down, well that's the risk I'm prepared to take.

Well done to Moyes.. he may not win a trophy but he knows how to win against the poor teams. Should have had him back.

Keeping Frank and paying over the odds or loans for any additions would be expensive and high risk.

Trust us to find the one billionaire that proves a buffoon who turns an amazing stadium into a burden before a ball is kicked.

Whoever takes us on next after Moshiri needs to pay a lot more for a less attractive proposition. The US and China don't do these deals. Perhaps Abu Dhabi do?

Protesting about the Board at this time is not going to get us out the bottom 3.

We are heading towards an iceberg and the fans are moaning about the owners of the ship instead of getting on to the man at the steering wheel.

He could get them winning.

And he could even make them good to watch with time.

I even kept my composure, looking at those WhatsApp videos before, involving both the sickeningly, deceitful, smarmy Bill, and the clown he searched around the 24/7 clock for, for absolute donkey's years, whilst he lived the dream virtually unopposed.

That could be so that the owner of the ship addresses the man at the wheel and why we are heading for an iceberg.

Perhaps, some of us have concluded that the manager, whomever it may be, is not the root cause of our problems; however, the people who appoint those managers and sanction the signings have done far more damage than any particular manager can ever do.

If Everton do manage to survive in the Premier League this season, with or without Lampard, and it's a massive IF, the issues will remain and so it would seem will the people in charge.

I think Frank should go, even if it's only for his own sanity, but I don't believe that will achieve much more than a stay of execution for what seems the inevitable outcome for this once very proud club.

Just two subs in a game that we were 2-0 down in says he's basically drunk in charge, so we need a new captain, new ship, provided by new owners.

Oh, and a rudder, because we clearly don't have one.

I've met thousands of people who say they would but I can't count on one hand the number of people who actually did it,

I've met Sharpie enough times to know he is a head-down-take-the-money kind of guy. He will toe the line. But to point fingers at him for the state we are in???

He has fuck-all to do with this mess. He's only been on the board 5 minutes. He is simply taking the money – like millions and millions of people do in this country every week.

If he has any sense, he will continue to take the money. because he can't say anything which will make a blind bit of difference.

There will be no noble gesture. He will not speak up for people who will have forgotten him 10 minutes later.

Refocus; there are legitimate targets.

IMO, this squad would get hammered in the Championship and most of the players would not be good enough to play in it. Only top of that many of the Clubs have modern setup and use modern methods. Everton is an archaic setup, with outdated methods.

When people talk about Championship standards, I do not think they know what they are talking about.

Digging the grave, more likely. Ugly.

The football club was never the reason Moshiri and Usmanov chose Everton.

I said from the start that their interest was not necessarily in building a stadium, but, by doing so, they could see £££s signs with the potential for developing the dockland area. All of it.

At that time, Usmanov was big in steel – he had big ideas but his long-time mate Putin fucked his ambitions and those of our beloved football team.

EFC has been in decline for years. The signs were there 4 years ago, when I cancelled my season ticket. Kenwright will go down in Everton Infamy and take Everton down with him.

Frank is a mere pawn in the game. He was dealt a bum hand and does not have the gumption to see his way out of the pickle he is now in. He is too proud to resign so will grind it out until one of the aforementioned has the balls to sack him.

Glimmer of hope? Perhaps we make a signing or two that will lift us out of our mediocrity and give us all hope of survival – would I bet on it??

I've nothing against them because their football brand is exactly what a small, underdog team need to do to compete.

Whilst I understand we need a bit of that for 4 months, I couldn't accept it last time and won't again.

We need a bit of their practicality and defensive organisation along with a bit of artful attacking play that can mix it up. I don't have a practical name but always wanted Mancini as manager.

Does he have a well regarded assistant?

The fans not singing for the manager to be sacked is an irrelevance, unless you're an incompetent owner who is protecting an incompetent board.

Not really a style I would normally associate with Evertonians but, if something isn't done soon, then nothing is off the table, and I would expect things to get really, really murky if the untied gloves end up having to come right off.

Spot on. I cannot comprehend all this loving of Lampard at all! In my book, he HAS TO BE blamed for our performances on the pitch.

It's his job, for crying out loud! Should have been showed the door after 2 x Bournemouth fiascos!

No doubt about it, he has an almost pathological, curious aversion to substitutes, particularly when it involves augmenting the attack.

He either knows something we don't… or doesn't know something we all do.

I hate all the endless changes, too. But at 2-0 down against a rubbish team, Lampard made no attacking subs. I just don't get it. There was nothing. What must Simms be thinking?

His game management today shows he's just waiting for the payoff – 2 subs out of 5 is not digging in, and his aversion to using youth, even just for a look at what they might do in a pressure situation, baffles me.

The Board didn't fail to bring on a forward at 2-0 down in a must win game.

Please tell us how it goes, most entertaining post of the day. If you chin him, could you post pics pls

The people I really feel sorry for are those that travel every week to a game – home, away and abroad. And the rest of the supporters that can just manage the home games. They are the heart and soul of every club and Everton are lucky enough to have such a large following that the owner has no appreciation for.

I live in Canada and I can get an app for the Championship and will still keep watching Everton if they get relegated but I still believe they will not; hwever, it gets more difficult every game. But I will miss the standard of the Premier League games.

It is a sad state when the owner of a football club just buries his head in the sand and refuses to take any responsibility and to me that reflects on the major problem he has created since buying the club, that and turning his head away from the problems the people he employed has caused. The only thing left is if he can get a new buyer and hope a new broom sweeps clean.

that it ended 2-0 signals that both teams also did the same.

2 half time subs, and that's that no introduction of Gordon, Simms, Vinagre, Price or anyone...no attempt to change the game. Suggests that Lampard just gave up.

It seems the players just gave up.

Fans should be refunded their money..Not just for this game, but for the season. Every season ticket, every purchase, should all be refunded, with travel money to boot.

the club is a disgrace.

Ian #245 - I totally agree, hence my posts, but the Board is the problem. If we sack Frank (and I hope we do), we'll still be chanting against the board, if we get rid of the Board, we may see some form of light at the end of the tunnel.

Lampard said: "It was a strange game, we had a load of control possession wise but the killer instinct in their team was better than ours. In terms of the tactical control, we had a lot.”

I thought our initial set up was poor, our back five didn't work. The wing backs Mykolenko and Coleman didn't work. All the preparation midweeks for this crunch game didn't work. A total failure. Sadly we've come to the stage now where Frank is failing miserably weekly and is waiting to be sacked and get his pay off.

In the periods when we weren't conceding, misplacing passes, losing the ball or looking like never scoring.

Football bullshit - don't you just love it.

Richarlison's goals and all round effort coupled with Pickford's saves saved us last season. We have not replaced Richarlison. Hardly surprisingly we look pathetic as an attacking force. That is not entirely Lampard's fault. Unless or until we bolster our attack any manager will struggle to deliver positive results.

I don't know where we go from here. While sacking Lampard and his staff seems an obvious next step, can we afford to do so financially? Who would replace him and for what salary? Is there any consensus on the best way forward at board level? Would a new manager from the firefighting brigade be welcomed by fans? Would that at best just postpone the inevitable? Or should we just prepare for what will be a brutal campaign in the Championship?

Hire Duncan Ferguson back as his number two. Bring unsy back as u23.

Retire Coleman with immediate effect, and immediately install as another number two.

Tell them three that it's old school zero tolerance for next 6 months at least and no director of football will come near them other than to sort contracts and budgets.

Bring back Branthwaite and Warrington from loans.

If we've got Danjuma signed, focus only on a new right back, left back and creative midfielder in last 10 days.

Any option to cancel Coady loan too - fcuk him off too.

Apologise to Keane, Holgate and Doucoure for how they've been treated. Put the first two ahead of the utter myths of Tarkowski and Coady, and the latter ahead of Gana and Iwobi. They are not world beaters but the table tells you they were no worse.

Unless we can manage to get the new LB and RB start next two games

Pickford

Holgate Keane Mina Godfrey

Price Warrington Doucoure

Gordon DCL Danjuma

Bench: Leban, Samuels-Smith, Onana, Branthwaite, Mills, Simms, McNeil, Davies, Welsh.

Tell the rest to go on holiday and stay away. Start building for next year now.

I couldn't believe the live forum was devoid of swearing and people insulting each other. Everyone has lost the will to live. No point in even arguing about new managers or tactics because we know the inept cartel will sit on their hands as we slowly die.

The problem is if we get relegated then their wet dream will be shattered. This problem is added to by the inconvenience that they cannot afford to sack their latest crap manager because they have blown the float on an over abundance of other shite appointments and signings.

Hence the drivel they talked tonight. They are in a hole with no way out, so they can only burble, dribble and ramble.

Not sure if you read ToffeeWeb much but there have been a number of posts criticizing other targets. Sharp drew attention to himself by going to the press and got a little rebuke for piping up. Obviously Carlo Fantastico in your mind is the primary villain and Dunc the savior but some posters like to mix it up a bit and not regurgitate the same criticisms constantly. I know you're going to say “the stench of hypocrisy from the man who blames Davies for getting four managers sacked.” Save yourself the trouble. Mosh Kenshite DBB the players are all shite. Frank needs sacking, Sharp is a knob and just for you, Davies is useless too 😉

Southampton, 1 win in 9 PL games: vs Everton

West Ham, 1 win in 8 PL games: vs Everton

Bournemouth, 1 win in 11 PL games: vs Everton (also beat Everton in EFL Cup)

Wolves, 2 wins in 9 PL games: 1 vs Everton (&West Ham)

Leicester, 2 wins in 8 PL games: 1 vs Everton (&West Ham)

We need new ownership badly.

Having just witnessed the total capitulation of his own football team he's proved how totally out of touch with reality he is by uttering such an idiotic comment. He owns 95% of the club so why spout such nonsense. How can it not be his decision ?

Little wonder he's guided the club into a death spiral with no hope of a way out, he's spent up and should admit it, we're skint and relegation is a certainty. What's not so certain is what comes after relegation. With Moshiri at the helm things could get even worse, we could go bust under this guys incompetence.

I personally believe he may have said that because ultimately its Usmanov's decision. It's pretty obvious Usmanov's money is behind Everton and I'm still amazed we've not been picked out to be sold like Chelsea. Seems like an open secret that the Premier League are happy to ignore (and the UK Government for that matter).

Where exactly Usmanov is right now is anyones guess, probably on his massive Yacht in Turkey.

This is him relinquishing ownership after the last week's shitshow, not me guv!

Have we got a death wish? Surely, anyone that understands football knows he is out of his depth and has to go.

The ownership and Board being incompetent does not change that fact.

I hope his imminent sacking will save him from that accolade...

Anyway, share what you've been up to and what it has achieved and I swear I will back you all the way. I have accepted mediocrity and you clearly haven't. So how have you demonstrated your non acceptance and how has the club responded?

We've all had it, Ian, most of us have wanted Lampard gone for some time.

It is my belief Ian that because so many of our fan base were so poor judges who insisted upon a manager who never had the credentials to ever be considered even a candidate, who got his previous failed role based on his "one of our own" legendary status that they are too stubborn or consumed with pride to realise a case of the emperors new clothes.

Danny Bailly- many agree with you that Lampard should have been replaced before the World Cup so I hope your happy now that someone has credited you with the "I told you so" you have been desperate to get for weeks. Now would you please stop this fucking insessant bullshit you are continually promoting that we are already relegated. Thank God you don't play for us as who would want you have their back in a crisis with that lie down attitude. If Ian or Darren came out with that lily livered shite they'd be crucified on here.
If we appoint Hassenhuttle tomorrow I'd be confident we would stay up especially if Danjuma and Dembele follow.

Black cats are meant to be good luck - right?

Well, try telling that to Everton, whose home Premier League defeat by Wolves was held up for several minutes by a feline pitch invader at Goodison Park.

Final Score reporter John Acres filled nearly two minutes of prime-time television with his superb commentary of the cat's movement across the Wolves penalty area, including the descriptive "it looks like a fully grown... cat. He drops a shoulder, jinks one way, goes another" and "the steward's after the cat, but the cat knows it and puts in a turn of pace..."

Eventually play was able to resume - with referee Lee Mason adding seven minutes of injury time at the end of the game

Despite his side's fine win, Wolves boss Nuno Espirito Santo was not happy with the four-legged interloper. For, although in the UK black cats are often associated with bringing good fortune, across most of Europe it's traditionally been the opposite.

"Where I come from in Portugal, the black cat is bad luck so I never want to see cats again," the Wolves boss explained.

Can you just clarify Nuno? "I don't like black cats."

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Spent over 500 million on players.

Brought in a world class manager. Ancelotti.

Building a stadium, second to none, to the envy of the Manu's and the shite.

I wanted Lampard.

I wanted Koeman.

I wanted Silva.

I wanted Ancelotti. What coup.

He delivered.

So let's not get sidelined on, sack the board banners.

Silva and Koeman, never had us in this situation. They went, because we wanted Europe yesterday, with all of Usmanov riches.

I still want Lampard out. I believe we have the talent, to get us out of this mess. with a decent coach. Decent? yes. Not a Novice, Lampard and a loser, Clement.

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https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/gypsy-curse-on-maine-road.182130/

You're my wife now.

The time for action is now and without it we are down fore sure.

One player just brought in but that's not enough.

What we have in the squad at the moment is a useless bunch who are getting good money in return for nothing and nobody in the boardroom seems to give a toss.

Lampard also has to take stick as he has been unable to get this team to play as a unit. They are basically all over the shop when they don't have possession and that is against all opposition.

It's been awful to watch and has not changed from one game to the next.

Sad to say they are the worst team in the Prem. and have been for a while and probably poorer than quite a few Championship clubs.

Next game Arsenal--God help us.

Where do we go from here, I don't know? Moshiri saying it's not his decision to sack Lampard, well who's decision is it? I keep hearing from people today that we cant afford to sack Lampard and his backroom staff, because it will cost too much………FFS we're looking at about £6M -£7M, can't we even afford that? I've always been on the side of keeping Frank, but it seems he's simply not up to the job. Moshiri was there today, his first game in fifteen months, and I can only assume he was there for one thing and one thing only.

I will never give up until it's mathematically done and dusted. We are still in this, no matter what anyone says on here, and quite frankly, I don't give a toss what anyone says.

For fucks sake, honestly I fucking swear half this problem has been created by the fucking stupid and I mean literally STUPID fucking fan base that has let this go on, unfettered and unchecked for years and years. You are as much to blame as Kenwright. You complete and utter fuckwit.

'Should've gone after Bournemouth'

There should be new feet under the Managers desk by late Monday afternoon. If not, it confirms what we've all suspected.

A) They're all even dafter than we thought - and if that wasn't enough

B) More of a worry, we can't even afford to pay them off.

Play shite = dropped until your replacement plays shite. Then you get a go of redemption. Don't take it = eventually you don't get another go. It's not rocket science.

“After Everton's 2-0 defeat at West Ham this afternoon, Farhad Moshiri and the clubs board are to meet to consider Frank Lampard's future”.

Must be imminent because they can't come to any other conclusion?

Please God...source?

Gonna watch the Liam Smith fight now.

I'm hoping for an interim appointment, or someone with next season in mind.

On the game, did they ever manage to explain the handball penalty decision? We got two replays from the same poor angle but it looked nailed on to me. Or was it one of those sleeve line decisions?

I understand that his critics are frustrated and worried over the future of the club; most loyal Evertonians are too. However, I don't remember those who now describe Frank as out of his depth, not up to the job and incompetent etc etc using the same descriptions when, against the odds last season, he managed to stave off relegation when his predecessor had brought the club to it's knees.

Frank inherited a desperate situation when he was appointed last year and the signings that had been made prior to his arrival were, for the most part, just not remotely of the required standard. Criticism has been made of the signings since his appointment yet there is actually no evidence whatsoever that those who came in were his choices. It is perfectly feasible and indeed may well have been the case that Frank identified the positions that needed strengthening and the current Director of Football made the final decision as to those who were actually brought in.

Frank's pedigree as a player cannot be sensibly criticised although I'm not sure that the same applies to Thelwell's career at Winsford and Northwich. Whilst I accept that a very accomplished player doesn't necessarily make a great manager I think it's more likely to be the case than one who spent the majority of his playing career in non league football and latterly, whilst Director of Football at Wolves, whose name was hardly a byword for footballing knowledge and excellence. If any dismissals take place, a good starting point would be the Director of Football and then to give Frank totally free hand.

My own view is that Frank, in the main, inherited a can of worms in terms of the playing squad, notable exceptions being Seamus Coleman and Jordan Pickford. He managed, in very difficult circumstances, to turn things around and for that I, for one, am extremely appreciative.

There are still eighteen games left and even against the top teams I would never write our chances off. Whilst the cash and time available for bringing players in is presently very limited surely the disposal of some of the current deadwood, McNeil, Holgate, Doucoure and Maupay, plus the wildly overrated Gordon to name just a few, along with Pickford who by all accounts wants away, would provide Frank with a fair amount of funding to sign a couple of extremely decent young strikers and a replacement keeper? Crucially too the recalling of both Jarrad Branthwaite along with Joao Virginia from their loan moves would provide more defensive options.

Frank has my full support; sacking yet another manager is no answer to the current problems on or off the field. The foundations of the present malaise at the club were laid long before Frank Lampard was appointed and more recently the problems have been exacerbated by the appointment of three, hopelessly out of their depth, clueless Directors of Football.

That said we need someone in who can get something out of these even a few goals from set pieces if we can't create from open play

Everton fans approach him in the hotel or somewhere similar, and because of the shite that happened last week, some people were saying Lampard looked scared. I disagreed, I thought he just looked very emotional, because he has now got genuine affection for Evertonians, and has known he hasn't done enough to remain Everton's manager, and I think this will be really hurting right now?

He's already been kept way to long by the incompetence of the board, and even if there's more to it, it begins with the incompetence of the board.

My guess is Anthony Gordon, will also leave, because it's the only way a new manager will be given any money. We will see?

And finally, Everton Football Club, would like to welcome our new manager into Goodison Pk today, but because it's a high risk game, the people who appointed him have stayed at home. Pause for a second……because this is what we have become.

Sean Dyche: 2-1
David Moyes: 3-1
Wayne Rooney: 5-1
Sam Allardyce: 10-1
Roberto Martinez, Nuno Espirito Santo: 12-1
Marcelo Bielsa, Duncan Ferguson, Graham Potter, Carlos Corberan: 16-1
Ange Postecoglou, Brendan Rodgers: 20-1

Which means we'll get someone else.

"Hire Duncan Ferguson back as his number two. Bring unsy back as u23.

Retire Coleman with immediate effect, and immediately install as another number two."

On that match, the plauers looked like they haven't trained. The first touch was atrocious, passes were slow, short & rarely on target, and there was barely any movement off the ball. Either the players have stopped playing for Lampard, or he's stopped coaching them.

The funny thing about these threads is supporters rightly criticise the board/owner for not having any imagination when it comes to hiring managers, yet the only names you see mentioned by fans are Sam, Dyche, Moyes, Ferguson, and a list of former players who have little to now management experience.

One poster even suggested Baines!!! Can you actually imagine his team chats? The players wouldn't be as lethargic as they are now cos they'd all be asleep in the dressiny room.

Early 2014 we were on track to finish top 4. Then, for some reason, someone at the club decided we needed Duncan Ferguson as a 1st team coach and we slipped to 5th, then 11th for the next few years.

August 23, 2014, 2nd match of the season. We were 2-0 up against Arsenal with 7 mins left. Let in 2 late goals to lose 2 points. A week later it was 3-6 at home to Chelsea due to the players dropping their heads after the previous week's crap.

In my opinion, even though this was pre-Moshiri, I whole-heartedly believe these two events were the biggest contributors in the past decade that have caused the most carnage.

We're now losing against the sides around us and relegation is inevitable unless a change is made, and made now.

Has anyone been in touch with Myra's owner to see if we can get the dog back?

Some people have inferiority complexes so they don't like people who are successful, smarter or better looking. They'd rather champion failures

https://twitter.com/i/status/1614966632408809476

This team won't suddenly start winning 3 or 4 games on the trot. Yes, blame Lampard all you like – and he is culpable – but how many times have Everton been in this situation in the last 10 years?

Dozens and dozens of players of all age, type and price have been tried, several managers of all types, including one of the finest ever, have been tried and ultimately failed.

The blame game toward managers and players is relentless.
However, there is one common factor in all of the above – a Chairman led board who have overseen, hired, fired and decided on the ultimate direction of Everton FC – and failed catastrophically.

Inept, outdated, old fashioned, pretentious, presumptuous and as shown this last fortnight, arrogant, spiteful, disrespectful and disloyal.

Hire whatever managers you like but the real culprits have always been in the boardroom. There will never be continuity and success at Everton until the crew of Kenwright are removed once and for all.

Not someone to get back in touch with.

Good point, who would take their dog for a 'quiet walk on a matchday' when there was so much publicity beforehand about the united and peaceful support for the Team.

Unless they wanted their own 15 minutes of fame, not to mention the oddly named Dog (bitch ?)

Villa got Emery, Wolves got Lopetegui and Brighton got Di Zerbi — the best we can come up are those two aforementioned dinosaurs which no other clubs in their right minds would ever contemplate hiring?!

What, have we now sunk so low that any old clueless chancer will do as long as they are English because they may well “get us” like Lampard does? No wonder we are in the mess we are in. Sometimes supporters really do get the club they deserve.

A team we could call toothless, but it would be an insult to dentures.

A transfer budget where we can only sign players on the ‘never never, for players who are ‘never were, never will be.'

A manager who needs sacking, but no-one thinks its their job to do it.

A shit board who are still trying to shift the blame to the fans (interesting customer strategy).

An owner looking for an out.

Fans who can't even summon the energy to get upset any more.

Dyche and Allardyce lauded as savours!

Something has to give this week, as we can't carry on like this.

I would have preferred Sharpey to state what he actually does on the board except be a token member and a ventriloquist dummy for whatever Bullshit Bill wants putting out there.

We could do with someone like big Nev on the board. Someone who'd never toe the line and would always do the best for the fans.

The young lad turned to me and said "Yes, John, but all the players you have just signed are crap!"

To be honest, I was quite shocked, but history tells me that he was right. We have learned nothing as a club, with the inevitable consequences unfolding before our very eyes.

You did not surprise me when you said you spoke out against management.

I too was blacklisted.

Like thousands of others in the late seventies and eighties, I ended up leaving the city to find work, otherwise I wouldnt have been able to support my family.

It was always a very rewarding feeling standing up for yourself and it was nice to feel the respect of fellow workers...But once you were out. You were on your own. A lesson which took me personally, far too long to learn.

I used to see Sharpie setting up with his colleague (cant remember his name) before virtually every away game. They always did it from a boozer and they always tried to be out before the crowds arrived. He was no extrovert thats for sure. He clearly didnt enjoy it when dozens of fans would approach every week to talk about "That" goal

He has a choice here Dave. He's in his sixties. He can earn what he can while he can, or he can shout "They're all c**ts" and be out on his ear.

If he does the latter. He will walk away with the admiration of others ringing in his ears. That admiration will not last five minutes. He will be forgotten (as a director) and no other club will touch such a disloyal twat.

Graeme Sharp is just another person doing what his boss pays him to do. His appointment hasnt made a blind bit of difference and his departure will not make a blind bit of difference either.

Like many others, he is a symptom rather than the cause.

Its not idiotic like Kinsella's crusade against the guy who hardly plays (You`d be hard pushed to find anything that is) I just feel pointing a finger at him is a little bit like shouting at newly trained train driver for the shit service delivered for years by the TransPennine Express

For me. He is not the pantomime villain. He didnt even get on stage until the curtain was coming down.

Yet here I am at 6:00 am on Sunday morning after yet another sleepless night, posting War and Peace about Graeme fucking Sharp.

I think we have done everyone else to death and he is just the latest circle created for us all to go around in.

Fuck this club. I'm done with it... At least until Arsenal roll up for the next game.

The only reason I can see for appointing Dyche, who got Burnley relegated while a novice has them top of the Championship, is that there are no other self respecting experienced unemployed willing to take the job. While it is still numerically possible to escape relegation there must be some consideration that the next appointee must be able to have us at least challenging for promotion back to the Premier League should the ever likely worst happen. The Board may come up with the answer and prove successful but their recent past record doesn't seem to indicate that being very likely. Most likely they will just change the Z-Cars tune to McCartney's "Yesterday".

As you say a lot of people just work for the money and do take a lot of shit.But I think it is because most people's objective is to do as best they can and want to do honest days work.They don't think like the boss that give them shit or is mean to them.They do not realise their bosses in the main are also employees and also can be questioned on their work.

It is 30 years since I worked for someone who I copped on was trying to get rid of me.I could not understand it. I worked hard,achieved targets and brought in a load of business..The hardest thing to understand was what I seen as attempts to sabotage good business to achieve his objective.I had a young family, a mortgage and my wife was sick at the time.Both my wife's and my parents had die with in a nine month period and I was taken by my Sibling to the high Court over a will to save her useless husband who had raked debts up of 𧵎,000.On advice I was told I would be gone within 6 months with Fuck all.

I called for a meeting and confronted the issues.I was surprised that the Human Resoures Manager was there and realised the 6 months advice was right.10 minutes into the meeting they asked for a adjournment for 10 minutes.When they arrived back I questioned my boss on his performance and asked the Human Resources Manager what she was going to do about it.I then said I was now ending this meeting and would be arranging another meeting which I would be preparing for in the meantime.They both looked baffled as I walked out.I actually outlasted them both and have attended to my own business first ever since, encountering similar Dickheads along the way who I have dealt with..

Everton is full of people who are trying to do a honest days work, but the place is also full of Dickheads like the one I encountered 30 years ago.They dominate the Culture of Everton and will continue to at the cost of preventing good business being done.

I have nothing but contempt for Sharpe who knows he is way over his head in his position and would shaft anyone for those that put him there, including the Fans.

It's what Evertonians do, because that's currently how it is.

Like me you'll never stop being an Evertonian, so I'm afraid my friend roll on Arsenal, where we will probably get something.
I have read the majority of this thread, but before posting I asked myself, other than the blindingly obvious:-
1 ‘where are we going'? I don't honestly know. 2 ‘how will we know when we get there'? I don't honestly know
3 ‘have we got a map'? I can answer that one, No
The 3 question above are taken from a sketch by Rosen Atkinson ‘Live in Belfast'.
Have a listen, it might just bring a smile to your face!

That's my impression of where we are currently!

Dyche got Burnley into Europe, and had a few top half finishes with them too. It's hardly trail blazing, but it's better than Franks record by far.

However, despite personally calling for him in my misery yesterday, there is one thing that puts me off on further reflection; NEGATIVE TACTICS.

Less than 1:13 matches finish 0-0, and average goals per game is closer to 3. Unless you score 2 of them, you are not going to win matches. With modern balls and techniques trying to Nick a 1-0 is just plain football suicide now.

So, if we want a miracle survival the question is which manager will come in and get us playing on the front foot trying to win?? We've missed the boat with Bobby Brown shoes…..maybe Biesla is the one worth the punt??

The present regime will definitely be on their way out of Everton, sooner rather than later, and I find it sad that Graham Sharp, has badly tarnished his legacy, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest, that his boss, hasn't told him to just be quiet, Graham.

This is unless he's just choosing to be loyal, and is genuinely disgusted by the vitriol pouring down on him, and his fellow boardroom members? We all live in different worlds, after all.

Mikky will not be in a benevolent mood and neither will his team, they are programmed differently to our lot. A lot are making our comparative dominance against West Ham like some sort of saving grace. No good if you just play possession football but have no shots on goal, and keep either giving the ball away, only to win it back, rinse, spin and repeat, or pass sideways and backwards.

We have to go on the attack. Better to win one and lose two than draw 2 and lose one.

Let's hope two people who have the knack of making the right run into the right areas and hitting the net come in. The game isn't about being pretty, it's about having the best goal difference and you can only do this with clinical finishers in the team and keeping it tight at the back. Once this is sorted then you can have a bit of pretty football thrown in when goals are flowing.

The Invincibles didn't play 90 minutes back-to-back games beautiful football, sometimes they hung on against teams and like Man Utd, including moments of misplaced passes, and Pires or Overmars would pop up and score for Arsenal, or Kanu would come on and in a flash they'd have a goal or two. Even underdogs in FA Cup games that keep it tight find 2 or 3 chances in a match somehow. And Frank knows this best under Mourinho, the amount of dull football games they had and bam Frank and Drogba score worldies and win.

Whether it's Lampard or another manager, there IS ENOUGH in this squad to get to mid-table once two good finishers are brought in. Even if it means a 33 year old mercenary on loan for 3 months on 𧴜k a week from somewhere, or someone who wants to try out the Premier League.

Where's the new Landon Donovan or Henrik Larsson when you need him?

Until there are major changes at the top ie new owner or a new board of football savvy people then we will continue to die a slow death and, if we survive, next season will be another relegation battle and the season after that.

I know it's scary but I think we may need to bite the bullet and prepare for relegation but only if we have a vision for the future.

Kenshite and his cronies have to go. Bring in a chairman who will oversee a complete and thorough change in mentality, spirit, professionalism and competence at all levels. Get rid of this “jobs for the boys” mentality. Find a young, hungry, ambitious manager (with experience) who will start the rebuild from a lower league - employ him now to get on with the job.

I don't know what Thewell does to be honest. How restricted is he when it comes to transfers? Is our inactivity due to money or incompetence? Do we go into the window with targets already in the pipeline or do they start each window from scratch and then start to panic when there's only a few days to go? We need a revolution in our”scouting” and to stop buying other teams rejects.

So my solution is painful, embarrassing and humiliating but I think it has to be done. As long as these idiots are in charge the best we can do is to tread water in the prem and hope for survival each season. If we want to change we need a cleansing by fire - and a fire sale of all the dross we've accumulated over the last 10 years. A board and a manager with a clear vision for the future and players willing and eager to be a part of it.

We definitely need a Bergkamp though…..Leicester are a completely different team with Maddison, and Bowen crucified us yesterday. With exception of maybe Grey there's no silk in this team at all. Dare I say it, but since losing the nameless one in the number 10 we've turned to utter cannon fodder.

We can't beat the teams in and around us, which is by far our biggest problem.
Although tongue in cheek, our last result against Man City is what I was alluding too.
You never know!!!
I am a diehard Evertonian after all 😂😂😂, you have to try and laugh otherwise you'll end up in the asylum!

I bet the training videos of Henry winning headers from Pickford's punts would look fantastic though - heh

I don't disagree with you, rarely do, but I have spoke to Sharp on many occasions and know that he will agree with us on most things Everton. But he keeps those views to himself and always puts a different side when speaking for Everton and Kenwright, so that doesn't suit me.

I like open people who are always themselves, Sharp is two-faced — I can't abide people like that. Like you, I had a bad night cheered up when Beefy gave Eubank a slapping.

Best wishes, Darren.

Furthermore, it serves us little at this point to deliberate on their collective ineptitude, as we stare into the abyss of impending doom. What is required is immediate drastic action in order to avert certain relegation. That starts with the sacking of Lampard.

He looks a broken man. His position is completely untenable. He should go with immediate effect.

As for the players? Pickford has had a reasonable season, but the fact is that he and Gordon are realistically our only sellable assets at present. Both should be sold and the money used to bring in at least four players capable of ensuring our survival.

I'm at a loss to provide the name of the manager to oversee these radical changes. All the 'Usual Suspects' will no doubt be forwarding their availability, knowing full well that even failure and dismissal bring hefty rewards.

It would no doubt be only a short-term appointment anyway, so perm any one from several possibilities. It matters not, as all will have the same negative remit, to abandon all prospect of entertaining football and win at all costs.

Such is the level that our once-proud club has sunk to, courtesy of Kenwright and Co.

Thanks for nothing, Bill.

I wonder why Joe Parkinson gave up so soon the Fans Liaison Officer Role that was created when he retired through injury? His replacement? Graeme Sharp.

Perhaps the message that he was conveying to Kenwright was more palatable?

The club model that we should be aspiring to is the likes of Brighton and Brentford, two forward-thinking clubs with intelligent, attack-minded, tactically astute (relatively) young managers.

Employing the likes of Dyche simply reeks of the old Kenwright way of doing things and for this fan of 40+ years, I'm just so completely done with that way of doing things.

This current squad, manager, board and owner has completely put me off the club to the extent that I find it hard to give a shit anymore. Perhaps, like you posted, relegation might just be the only way to start from scratch and do things properly for once.

It's possible we could find a manager of the type you're suggesting now who would be board this sinking ship, but who are they?

I'm saying that Dyche is the best I can think of at this present time in our current situation.

Brighton and Brentford weren't in the perilous position that we're in when they made those appointments and Brighton at least had the players capable of playing the new manager's system.

But Burnley fans are very appreciative what Sean did but also enjoying the football much more with Kompany.

Each subsequent Manager has then inherited shit, bought more shit and then been sacked resulting in Lampard spending more money on shit like McNeil, Onana, Maupay and Gueye.

We can point to the European ban and I never dismiss that. But it didn't stop United, the perpetrators and later Chelsea, Arsenal and now City.

Keep focusing on the Manager and we'll keep shooting the messenger.

Change at the top and then cultural change filters down.

We basically got someone with money who just allowed the existing incumbents to throw it around.

Poor leadership results in a failed mission.

Last couple of games I thought he could do more to stop the opposition scoring. Bowen running off him for the 2nd, is another example. He's cost a couple at home too.

But let's be honest, they're all crap. Not seen a decent game from Tarkowski, Mykolenko, or Gana all season.

For the first time in my experience, I feel Evertoninas are actually running out of things to disagree about. It's all so cut and dry, black and white. We all know where our problems lie.

I think we have both met the same Graeme Sharp. He can and does play with whichever side of the bat is convenient. But I just don't see him as a significant player. He was only made director as a token gesture and its been Christmas for him every day since.

I think people have said just about everything they can about Kenwright and they are now going for the foot soldiers rather than the generals.

For the life of me I don't understand why some are not holding the managers and DOF's who have squandered 100's of millions responsible for anything, Yet the Junior coaches and the guys who graft in the back ground are portrayed as a bunch of living stealer's.

Kenwright remaining in his seat when the rest had gone yesterday suggested to me that he is doing what he always does. The brazen fucker is digging in.

We need to focus and keep the pressure on him.

Why do our scouts acting do to earn their crust I wonder?

Put a beggar on horseback and he will ride to hell.

One of my childhood heroes, Graeme Sharp, risks becoming the next Duncan Ferguson.

Admired. Respected.

But becomes a conformist to the regime.

Also it makes me wonder if Simms is missing being at Sunderland today. Will be well over 40,000 and the ground. And he scored an injury time winner up there days before being recalled.

Give us a break.

I hope none of Frank jnr's Kids take up Football.

You are just peddling the usual FFFF's gossip.

Ferguson worked for this club for nothing. He wrote to Moyes asking to take part in coaching session so he could gain experience. it was a season before he even got on the pay roll. That arrangement was made between the two men. He was later made head coach on merit

He as stepped forward twice to take on a desperate situation when nobody else would - Again for no extra pay.

He applied for the job and was overlooked in favour of Frank and the Barra boys. The myth that he was one of the "looked after" blue eyed boys was exploded there and then...And if it wasnt. the fact that he quit five months later would offer certain proof that he was not a yes man.

You or anybody else will not put up any evidence of Ferguson critcising the fans like Sharp has...Theres a very good reason for that. You cant. You would like to, but you cant.

That wont stop you guys have repeating the allegation again next week.

I'll tell you one thing: If he was asked to step in again. He would unite Evertonia in a way nobody else could.

Maybe all those tens of thousands who have got behind him and would get behind him again, are mugs who don't see through him if he was another Sharpy

Afraid to confront his boss. Doesn't like successful people like Carlo, Always champions the weak (Davies) felons (Dunc) and other social misfits over respected professionals. Doesn't guy to social events when invited by ToffeeWeb posters. Are you the guy from Revenge of the nerds?

I just don't think he has the nous to do it for us, at least on his own. I was very interested, though, in the suggestion yesterday that he and Carsley might be an option.

Frankly, we're at the point when pretty much anyone and any combination are worth a punt.

Bets on Boxing - Nope

Drives a fork lift - Nope

Drinks Bushmills - Nope, but I have tasted it.

Hates managers because I was in a shit job - nope.

I`m retired but was self employed and I have a family who I go to matches with, Funny watching you rejig the profile every week though..

You have Tom Davies down to a tee though.....

Bets on Boxing - Nope
Drives a fork lift - Nope
Drinks Bushmills - Nope, but I have tasted it.
Hates managers because I was in a shit job - nope.
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Bets on Boxing - Nope
Drives a fork lift - Nope
Drinks Bushmills - Nope, but I have tasted it.
Hates managers because I was in a shit job - nope.
D

Bets on Boxing - Nope
Drives a fork lift - Nope
Drinks Bushmills - Nope, but I have tasted it.
Hates managers because I was in a shit job - nope.
D

Bets on Boxing - Nope
Drives a fork lift - Nope
Drinks Bushmills - Nope, but I have tasted it.
Hates managers because I was in a shit job - nope.
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He'd face problems being our coach full time as he's no one's sycophantic yes man.

Currently he's well out of it and personally I hope it stays that way until we have an owner & boardroom that know what they're doing.

We keep Frank we get relegated its that simple. Frank Lampard is out of his depth look at Chelsea for example, champions league winners a few months after he got sacked.

We are bad that's no doubt but part of that has to be down to frank his tactics and his coaching. We are getting worse not better.

SACK HIM NOW.

We basically appointed Frank because he was a great player as if that translates into being a good manager when obviously there is absolutely no correlation at all and playing and managing are completely different. Coaching and managing are also completely different.

When looking for a manager at least go for someone who has managed before surely!

Regardless of his comments or anything else the main issue for me is he has not got any demonstrable experience that shows he is fit for the role and is likely there purely for show. The same goes for the CEO - no relevant experience at all. Has the finance director worked in finance before? Wouldn't surprise me if he is an ex gigolo we employed because he is a true blue.

If our financial situation is as bad as it seems we can't afford to bring in someone currently in a job as we can't afford compensation.

To me it seems Dyche is the sensible appointment to make. He has proven himself to be a better manager than Lampard (not saying much). If we do go down which is looking likely, he has experience in the Championship and got Burnley promoted three times if I'm not mistaken.

If by some miracle he keeps us up I think he can do a job for a few years until we get out of this financial mess, we are in and keep us in the Premier league.

It's now all about survival, and I'm not just talking about in the Premier league, about the survival of our very existence as a club.

Took me ages to clean the blood off my hands....

Didnt think I would laugh that much this weekend.

I did ok on AW yesterday PT. But yes you're right.

Bobby @410

Koeman got the sack after we were hammered by Arsenal. I'm pretty sure we had gone into the bottom three.

Joe @ 400

Fair enough Mate. there is no proof he could have done the job and I think its fair that you have doubts.

Surely there's SOME club out there that would take him, given his CV? Poor lad is unemployed.

Theres a reason for that too

Most of my best decisions in my business have been the work I've turned down.

Just watched Arsenal. I'm filling me kecks already.😳

Apart from Big Dunc, I agree with you, we need a quick fix on a short term contract and take it from there!
In short we are in shit street, so nobody will join us on a long term go BBC tract.
Survival this year is the priority with whoever.
In the meantime, get rid of the dross above and below, and start afresh next season, in the premier jeafyy u w 🤞🤞🤞

But for a first job as first team manager, this is not the job for him.

Dyche is probably the only candidate, in all reality. Can't see any other manager wanting this job, it'll likely just be a stain on a CV.

Fantastic economy of pure truth Michael.

There is utterly nothing to possibly add to this superb collection of crafted words.

I both applaud and bleed from My soul.

But what can not be done is to is fault, or improve upon Your devastating perfection.

"Pitiful exhibition of Premier League football incompetence".

Not just the once adoreable Everton v West ham.

But.

Decades of utter, utter fuckin misery.

"Pitiful exhibition of Premier League football incompetence"

Spot on. Danny Murphy.

I was thinking maybe that octopus who predicts World Cup results.

No insider knowledge, but I understand he is content coaching at developmental level with the England U21s and doesn't really have any ambition for club management.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him follow the Gareth Southgate career path.

This ‘jobs for the boys' rubbish is part of our problem, the club is riddled with it from top to bottom.

Really?

And all the while we plough on straight into the monstrous iceberg we've seen all season.

Some Toffees are surely on some sort of Kenwright produced speed.

Become a club manager, like Southgate did.

And whatever you think of Lampard and every other manager we've had, they all know a damn sight more about football and tactics than you do. Every manager we get, you slag off. Lampard is failing but you don't have to let us know every 5 minutes.

Yes, Southgate went into club management, but I don't recall him setting the world alight at Middlesbrough.

On a technicality, Carsley has managed. Caretaker manager of Coventry and another stint as caretaker and assistant at Birmingham.

His roles have mainly been development coaching at Brentford, where he did have a period as Head Coach (so technically Manager). His role at Birmingham aside from being caretaker for a short while, was development coach.

And then into the England set up.

So in short, I read that he's done brief periods of club "management" but seems more interested in the coaching side of the game, which I personally think is more suited to the international game. They don't have to manage in the sense that is required at club football.

Just for the sake of those whipping themselves into a state of unbridled outrage. Nobody... And I do mean nobody had put forward the names of any ex players on this thread. It wasnt about them

Duncan Ferguson was introduced to this thread in post 391... As a candidate ? No. He was introduced solely in as the latest attempt to besmirch his character.

Happens all the time on here. People putting up disparaging remarks or "rumors" they claim they have heard about a common target within a particular group - Nearly always an ex or current player.

Its a disappointing aspect to what is otherwise a fantastic site populated by many extremely knowledgeable Evertonians.

It becomes even more disappointing when the poster/s making the allegations, disappear without trace when asked to substantiate their wash-house-gossip with any sort of evidence.

Still at least it opens the door for others to come in and howl their outrage - "Jose Baxter ???... You're avin a fackin larf"

It would be good to come on a footy site and see people talk about footy facts, but in all walks of life there are gossips who will spout their stuff with little or no regard for truth and there will never be a shortage of people wanting to be outraged by it.

For me. the post of this thread for me is Tony @400.

Tony doesnt fancy the guy as manager and he simply says so. No fairy stories, No gossip. No muck-raking. He doesnt need it to support his opinion.

On the subject of Lee Carsley. I hadnt considered him, but I can see why others have thrown his name into the mix.

I havent heard the rumors that Carsley is content, but what I do know is that if he was offered the chance to manager in the EPL and the sort of wages previous managers have been afforded. I think he would be in his car in a flash and on his way up the M6.

He'd be very easy to spot. He'd be the fella doing warp factor 6

Their coach/manager is an ex-Everton player, so I guess that means ex-Everton players make good managers.

Based on that info, I'd like to put forward the following names who I think should be considered for the job:

Big Vic
Eddy Bosnar
Alex Pistone
Francis Jeffers
Marcus Bent
Stracqualursi
Shandy van der Meyde
Gazza
Phil Senderos
Joleon Lescott

I think any one of those guys would do a good job because they used to play for the club.

Frustration at characters like Ferguson and Sharp falling under the magic spell that many of us have been guilty of over the years until the smelling salts were applied.

But they have the platform to speak out rather than the likes of me ranting on here and still going the match on Saturday to get my medicine!

It appears Lampard has too. Bigs up the board; or was doing until he suddenly realised he's the next lamb to be sent to the Everton abattoir of managers.

Genuinely. Although I wouldn't like to see Duncan as Everton manager as I have no ill feeling towards him, but does anyone have any insight into what his future holds in the game?

Is he looking for or in contention for a management role?

Waiting for Everton to call?

Gone back to his family and the pigeons and doing the odd pundit gig?

All seems a bit quiet.

Anyway, as I was typing, I've just received a notification that our DoF will be have the responsible for drawing up a list of potential replacements for Frank Lampard. I can't vouch for the reliability or credibility of the sources.

On one hand, good. The DoF is responsible for football matters. On the other is there a danger he is being dragged into the board and in reality, they will dictate? Brands Mark 2? More of a question and me thinking out loud.

As for who our next manager should be. What about Zinedine Zidane? He's out of a job and he's definitely a Hollywood manager.

No I wouldn't like to find evidence of Duncan criticising the supporters. He wouldn't and never has.

My point was how former club favourites become subsumed into the shit show that has become Everton.

From history, and I don't know the guy, but Duncan was always pretty passive and quiet off the pitch in contrast to his aggression on it. Maybe that, and his love of Everton, is the reason he has stayed quiet.

Sharp on the other hand has properly upset and disappointed me to say the least.

Anyway, I didn't want to turn it into a Ferguson conversation so I will apologise and not comment on it anymore.

My own view is that Kenwright, had told Duncan Ferguson, that he (Kenwright) hadn't got that long left at the club, because Moshiri's tap had been turned off, but this doesn't mean that Ferguson, hasn't been missed, and maybe this has even helped keep Frank Lampard in the job, for much longer than he should have been allowed to remain.

Oooohh Farhad, Jordan's done a whoopsie in my beanie hat.

Same old players. Same old tactics. Same old formation. Same terrible results.

When you think the aces up our sleeves to come on and save the game were McNeil and Davies, you know we're in trouble.

Something has to change - Lampard has to go. Probably already too late in terms of truly winnable games the new manager has to target moving ahead but let's at least show some fight to try and stay up, rather than going down with a whimper.

Would get rid of the Director of Football position moving ahead too. The rot really started when Walsh came in during Koeman's stint - player recruitment has never been much good overall since we started using that as a model.

Get back to the manager choosing the players he actually wants - not whoever someone else lumbers him with. I know it can and does work at other clubs, but we just don't seem to have any success with it.

We are in deep deep shit and people can only think about plunging the knife into the back of a former player and coach... WTF is all that about ? He didnt make any major long lasting decisions

You kinda confirm my belief that ex-players are somewhat despised on TW. Not by a lot of people, but by people who post the same wash-house nonsense over and over about them.

I often see people ask why Sharp, Ferguson, Unsworth etc didnt speak out, but we have had two international managers. We have had two Champions league winners, We have had a Dutch player of huge international status. The word of every single one of these managers would have carried far more weight than anything former players could have said, But in all my years on this site I have never once heard anyone ask why they didnt speak out against the hand that was feeding them so very richly.

We are expected to believe that the world famous names who left this club struggling to carry the fortunes they were paid for abject failure, were hard done by. Victims of gross mismanagement. Not their fault Yet the guys (some of whom are known to actually pay into GP as fans) who were prepared to put their bollocks on the line during some of our darkest hours are just "Living stealing yes Men" ?

All the facts, official records and in-front-of-your-face evidence is not enough to convict the managers. Yet rumours started and perpetuated by the same people about former and current players is enough to get a band wagon rolling which will label them devils.

BTW Danny. My point was directed more at the bandwagon which followed your post...

Vindictive. Inaccurate, stupid and just downright false.

Despite Danny Bally's assertions we are not already relegated at all - 6 points cover the bottom 8 clubs and they are all poor sides. The bottom 7 clubs have won precisely 3 games of the last 35 league games between them.

That is the question we have to solve - which manager can get us above the 7 other crap sides we are in competition with?

No back stabbing from me as far as he's concerned. I just don't think he's the man for the job. And I don't know who CAN get us to safety.

To repeat myself, Osman and Pienaar, although again, as coaches on the training ground.

I know I've been critical about jobs for the boys. But I really don't care who someone has played for or where they come from as long as they are good enough.

And it's important to distinguish between coach and manager. That's where the DoF, if executed properly can come into effect. The coach just focuses on what's going on in the training ground and on the pitch.

I have watched Everton for a long time, seen worse teams than the present one but have never seen a more feeble and weak, physically and mentally, than this one, as soon as the opposition put any pressure on them you see them fold and the huge gaps in defence appear, like a beach coming into view when the tide goes out.

It was so clear after twenty minutes on Saturday when WHU suddenly decided to attack and have a go at Everton's defence (?) it had wobbled, stood still and gave away the goals we could all see coming same as in many previous games this and last season.

Incoming players this week might help close some of the gaps, increase the fight and put some guts and dignity back in certain players and help us in the fight to stay up as long as the manager is replaced, Frank has been here twelve months and mostly just stood and watched us go from bad to worse with his arms folded and a face that has become sadder with each passing game. I hope the new manager is not too late, whoever he is!!

I haven't had the fortune to watch Everton for as long as you but I've been watching and following them for as long as I remember, which is roughly the same time as your Tony.

I've seen worse players and teams than this.

But the key word in your post is mentality.

Weak minded. Heads down at the first hurdle. We actually have good players. They just look frightened of being on a football pitch.

Keane and Holgate have been slaughtered on here, but the sight of all three of our center backs landing in a heap going for another bread an butter ball and leaving Bowen in to score is still angering me.

How many times do we need to see this ?

Said all season these center halves would get us relegated.
Tarkowski and Coady. The much vaunted upgrade are killing us

At the weekend the Tarkowski attempt to bundle Antonio into touch was so poo but incredibly he (Tarks), managed to get up and get the deflection on the cross that ironically put it on a plate for Bowen.
However our play is possession based and allows the opposition defenders plenty of time to get organised. I saw Onana look to play it early a few times only to shrug, at the lack of options/movement ahead.
As for Iwobi -the guy looks fit and runs around a lot but in possession he loses the ball too often and him and Gana are a terrible duo in midfield.
If we get Garner fit, I would like to see him with Onana and Davies.
I would scrap Mykolenko and rather see McNeil at left wingback.

An interesting distraction Darren.

I know it's harsh as it's one game he is infamous for, but Glenn Keeley.

And Per Kroldrup. Didn't we only get 45 minutes out of him before Moyes hooked him and never played him again?

I think our defence is being put under pressure, under which the laws of average will eventually kick in.

Not helped by tactics, which must be instruction from the sidelines. The amount of heart stopping moments I had on Saturday as we played dangerous balls across the back.

They invite it.

I think you are right about a lot of the players being weak mentally in games. There's a reason we often concede goals in bunches like on Saturday. As soon as 1 goes in, the heads go down and they go to pieces.

We need to start looking not just at skill and technique when recruiting but character also. You need both to succeed in the PL. More pace in the team would be good too.

Our defence does look poor right now it's true, but I blame a lot of that on our non-existent midfield in front of them.

I thought it was Keane and Holgate being terrible last year but we're having the same issues with new centre backs in there this season. Gana, Iwobi and Onana just seem allergic to tracking back or protecting the backline.

Re the talk of Big Dunc coming in - I agree with fans who say his lack of experience as a manager goes against him but I would be fully behind him if he got it.

Let's not forget he was assistant for a number of years to some decent managers and so is not exactly a newcomer to it all.

He's an Everton legend and top man - at least we would show a bit more fight with him there and have a real go at turning our season around. We have to try something!

We only have about 5 players who have 10 or more premiership goals in their entire career.
Read that back slowly and the reality of our situation is very worrying.

Let's see who takes over and can they improve us with some signings in the next seven days.