Keane achieves atonement in spectacular fashion

As many of us will have, I thought we were getting nothing from today after they scored but hell has Dyche got them believing. Our fitness levels look massively improved since our new manager arrived. I think that has contributed a lot in terms of our improvement.

Saying that, I am keen to see Garner get some minutes as I think he could be a very good player for us. Maybe him in midfield and we move Onana further up...shades of Fellaini under Moyes!

I wish we had got Dyche before Benitez. I am not adverse to this football we play, it's simple but effective and the players fight for him.

Kane is a shithouse and Spurs are a horrible club I've decided.

I am actually disappointed that we did not take full points against Chelsea and Tottenham. Both these teams (and Man United coming up) were at a particularly vulnerable time, and with a more ruthless finisher, we should have seen them off. But, yes, we are where we are for a reason, and at least, Sean Dyche is getting the maximum out of this team, so all credit to him, even if we were to go down.

I felt he was far too passive in the final games under Lampard but he's been good under Dyche.

The midfield 3 has a nice balance when all 3 are playing well. It's when one of them isn't, then the dynamic kind of fails. I thought the 3 of them played well, Doucouré especially up until he lost his head. There was only one winner up to that point in my eyes.

Under previous mangers we would have folded at the red card, lost shape, composure and belief. Yet, we seemed to realise they were there to get at. We believed, kept composure and once they got their red, believed we could get the goal.

Even when the subs came on, it usually signals a loss of momentum, but it gave us the energy required. Simms especially I thought caught the eye with his hold up play.

Look what players showing effort and desire does to the atmosphere. Teams, good teams can't handle it, rushes them into making bad decisions and the team get what they deserve.

I agree Onana has improved with more Dyche coaching and helped by the.mentoring that
Dyche said he would set up for him. There is evidence of Dyche's attend to detail all over the pitch, with Stats to prove it.

Sorry but I can't see a reason to start Davies unless everyone on ToffeeWeb, the under 14 team, and the Crankies rule themselves out.

Look nothing would give me greater pleasure than come on here and say I was totally wrong and we have a real player on our hands, but so far I haven't seen anything to suggest that will happen.

Gueye just get's on with what he does and yes, Doucoure is coming good again.

He was pivotal against Chelsea and was playing very well last night until his rush of blood that led to Kane going down like he'd been hit by a tranquillising dart.

I did mention his age in my post and I well remember Arsenal fans saying something similar in Thierry Henrys first season. So yes I am all for giving young players time, but this jogging around the pitch, you expect young players to be guilty of trying to do things at 100mph, certainly cant level that against Onana.
Just going back to the original post I know many don't like Keane but for me he offers more than Coady, he has goals in him and since he has come back into the side he has an assist and a wonder goal. Also his goal started the comeback against Palace.

Yes he is predominantly here for his defensive work But I think he and Tarkowski kept both Kane and Son very quiet, also against Chelsea they restricted them to very little.

I believe next season the lad will benefit so much from the experience of this year. Let's just hope we are not giving him the experience and the tools for us to just sell him in the summer, when more tough decisions will need to be made to balance the books.

If garner is the player some say ( I haven't seen enough to judge ) that's 2 midfield players young, hungry and talented. Add simms, Branthwaite, mcneil, Mills, cannon there's some quality young players there.

Could anybody on ToffeeWeb tell me what he is supposed to be doing or what he brings to the team, I honestly can't see what his role is in the team, possibly he is there to point out to the other players how to use the ball when they get it because he does an awful lot of pointing this way and that way, like a policeman on traffic duty.

He can receive a pass and has the technique to control and keep the ball. He has that ability and strength to turn and create a bit of space for himself and open up the pitch ahead. His passing has been mostly crisp, at a strong pace and accurate. Dyche will like the height and physicality. I like his youthful exuberance, it radiates energy to he team. He has a positivity about him that is infectious.

Sean Dyche is the ultimate pragmatist, if he thought he was not contributing enough he would be out like Maupay, Coady, Mykolenko. I think he has been an important cog in the wheel in our better midfield displays.

I am seeing enough in him to think he is going in the right direction and will improve a lot over the next few years.

The issue for Everton is we need finished articles now so any developing younger players get over-criticised when they inevitably show they are not that. In reality we need a balance of finished article, mature players and young developing stars. We are not far off having a good mix at the moment and need to embrace the upsides a bit more.

Of course we need more quality in certain areas, but we are beginning to play nice and sensible football, with players beginning to move another yard, which makes the pass easier and also gives the man receiving the ball a little bit of time.

Nothing fancy but very effective, and any team that can be competitive whilst playing without a genuine centre forward, is doing a lot right in my book.

Very early days, but I can even see a little bit of method, coming into our play, so I just hope it's something we can develop, and gives us something to build on🤞

I absolutely guarantee I spend more energy watching, cheering, jumping up and down at Everton's matches as well screaming with frustration and anger at Onana's inept performances, whatever he does in the future I hope it is a lot better than what he has done up to now, and the game lasts ninety minutes or more not the thirty minutes or less than he puts in.

if he can keep us up, I think he will keep us comfortably in the top half of the table next season, even without any new signings (which may be the case if we like it or not).

Imagine what he could do if we had a functioning Board and an owner with half a brain.

I'd like to see garner come in and push onana into the dacoure role further forward.

As for stats David I take very little notice if any when stats are produced, I use my eyes they tell me a lot more than any stats could. Those who say he is going to be a very good player in the future could very well be proved right but I repeat what he does in the future does nothing to help Everton FC right now, this season is when I want him to be an asset to the club, the future is about the unknown.

I watch him when he hasn't got the ball ambling and wandering about doing nothing, try that it might tell you something of the player that stats will never reveal.

You ask Dave to name a 21 year old that is the finished article, try 19 year old Jude Bellingham, I agree he is an exception but you asked the question.

You also say Onana is in the top 20 of aerial battles won, he is 6ft 4ins so I would expect him to win most of his aerial battles.

We paid 㿍 million for him and at this moment in time I don't see a player of anywhere near that price. Look I would love next season for Onana to be what we all hope he will be, but to say I have been disappointed in him so far would be an under statement. I know some posters have suggested that Dyche selects him every week so he must be happy with him. But Garner is only just getting back from injury so Dyche chose between Onana and Davies.

I suggest Dyche swaps him out for Garner, and instead has Onana in a Toffee Lady suit, running up and down the touchline with some pompoms, geeing up the crowd. He might be a £33m midfielder, but I reckon he's a £75m cheerleader.

Some people aren't half impatient - and would seem to prefer the likes of Doucoure and his talentless athleticism. More players like Doucoure will keep us rooted in the lower half of the table. Keeping faith with players of talent will see us back into he running for Europe.

We did overpay for Onana but it was a structured deal with fairly limited initial outlay (because we're skint).

I did say stats don't tell the whole story but you asked what he contributes. Stats can tell you what he contributes if not easily visible.
It's probably why Dyche continues to use him, between him, Gana & Doucouré it's a good balance. We all want more from him ofcourse he's got more to give but I'd just be patient and we could see a really top midfield player.

Brian. Bellingham is the exception. He's also valued over 100m. You can't say oh you're 6"4 you should win all aerial battles, the people he's battling are 6"too. Doucourés not small he's not up that list.
Let's let him develop or do we want Davis instead ?

He's 21. He is still developing. He can and I think will become a very good player. The potential is there and his attitude is spot on. He gives us a physical presence.

The concerns:

He needs to find consistency. Although he generally times them to precision, I worry about him going to ground too quickly with that tackle with the outside foot. Hopefully you know what I mean. He comes in with the outside boot when an inside left foot would be better. Just a personal thing. Sooner or later he will give something away.

I know we don't have time right now, but he could be a future star for us.

I'm not sure what else is on the shelf.

James Garner is, himself, only 22 years old and only played 2 games for Manchester United before being shipped out on loan to Watford and Forest.

The much maligned Tom Davies hasn't seemed fancied by several managers, which may not be all of his fault.

Having thought about it, with Doucoure out, I could see Iwobi going central behind Simms with Gray moving wide.

He cost £30M or more no matter when you have to pay for it.

I'm taking another angle on Onana's form. He os likely being instructed to focus on his positional responsibilities. Anchored to that he is a young footballer who is not able to immediately translate his game into rhe Premier League. He tried to impose himself in the early going and has not figured out how to use his body in possession and when to push forward effectively.

As the system produces regular options he will no doubt find them For now he is trying to settle into a defensive parnership with Gana to protect the back line. That is working. At his age the shifting responsibilities modseason jas probably undermined confidence. And by the way dude has to avoid getting kicked or headbutted which can complicate things.

Well, you will get a lot more, in the future, if you buy an antique article and put it away in a drawer, because Onana is not helping Everton's cause now with his performances. As for stats, they might impress fans if they read Onana made 200 passes in a game without revealing 180 were backward and sideways passes of less than 10 yards each.

Michael (38),

Onana might do little wrong, how much does he do that is right? That's when he decides to come back into the game after going missing for large parts of the match.

As for his enthusiasm, how often does he show that while the ball is on the pitch? I know he shows it after the match finishes, he's the top man for it then… Means nothing to me after the game, to be honest, I want it during the game where it counts.

If he was doing as bad as you say, Dave, I'm sure we wouldn't have seen the improvement that the team has shown.

At the end of the season, the sun in the skies over Goodison will be dimmed by those clubs circling for him.

Here's an idea. Let's add to the narrative of a young player in his first season being crap. Kenwright and Co can sell him, bank the money, and we can move on to the next target. McNeil anyone?

The same narrative was played out for Richarlison. He eventually brought a 㿨 million fee to the club after 5 years of tireless contribution.

The talentless athleticism has gained us points, yes, but it's also part of the reason we're continually in relegation fights. If Onana was over-priced, then Doucouré surely even more so (partly because he's offered little for his 㿀M price tag and wages and is now worth half of that at best).

And if we nurture players of talent like Onana (and hopefully Branthwaite), then we genuinely could get into Europe in the next season or two. Depends a bit on finances of course but I can see a Dyche led Everton doing at least as well as Villa and Brentford next season. Why not?

I too prefer to trust my own eyesight in terms of what I see on the park, and what I currently see is a “cheerleader” – nothing more. He contributes very little to our current cause, either going forward or defending. He ambles around the midfield contributing very little.

In fact, on Monday night, I witnessed, on more than one occasion, Spurs players running past him on counter-attacks, with no urgency on his part to get back, and both Gana and Doucoure having to run past him to close Spurs players down, again on more than one occasion.

I also witnessed Garner contributing more in his 10-minute cameo at the end, than Onana in the previous 80 minutes.

There's more than enough criticism circulating at the moment for both him and Iwobi, with some justification, but we fans will forgive an awful lot for nothing more than sheer “application”.

I think Iwobi is being cut some slack by fans at the moment for nothing more than his application. Whereas Onana is drawing far more criticism, because this very basic of requirements is missing from his game, and given our current crisis, we can't afford passengers.

He may ultimately turn out to be the player that many predict, and I think we all hope that he does, but the here and now is what matters, and he's clearly not delivering anything near enough of what we need now, because we're already getting behind the team and don't need a “cheerleader”.

At the present time, with Doucouré under Dyche, I much prefer Doucouré to Onana. He offers much more over 90 minutes than Onana produces and he will be missed much more, imo, than Onana in those three games.

Strangely enough, with those two off the field against Spurs and with Davies and Garner on, we got the equaliser and came close to winning the game.

I obviously hope you are correct and we get into Europe in the next two seasons. As for Everton doing as well as Brentford and Villa next season, you ask why not? I think the present state of the three squads answers that.

McNeil as a target for criticism? I think he's had more than enough earlier in the season when Lampard never gave him a real chance. Anyone who has a go at him now would have to be considered as being harsh in their judgement.

He has given a lot of fans a chance to change their opinion of him and played a lot better under a manager who knows and trusts in him and counts him as a real player. He's another player who would be missed if he wasn't playing at the moment.

It is difficult to replace him in that position and so far comments are naming at least 3 different players to replace him.

I don't think the manager will want to alter his system by bringing in a player and moving one of his regulars to a different position to accommodate him. Unless they have one of the younger players who could step in, I think he will use Davies.

Garner got a good reputation at Nottm Forest, but not seeing him play, I am not sure what his defensive qualities are. Davies is not strictly a defender but has been used as a sub in games where we played more defensive to gain a result and has trained more with the present squad.

I don't think Dyche is a risk taker and will not want to make changes in the tactics as the next game will be more defensive, don't discount Patterson being considered as he likes to get up-field and has the pace to get back.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is a megadon and how many sides has it got?

His control is immediate and he tends to pass the ball to those in space with time, albeit it is not always forward, and like good midfielders, he arrives late in the opponent's box which works well when we don't have a big focal striker and with Doucouré getting forward.

He also adds height at set pieces which, with Keane and Tarkowski, must give opposition defences a lot of problems, not to mention he does try shots when the occasion arises. If he ever gets long-term into a decent, talented midfield (and I don't mean the occasional international), then he will truly blossom. For us, it may be best to leave any judgement until next season, assuming we are still playing in the top level.

Although I would agree, we do seem to have paid top dollar, which is hardly his fault.

Hahaha, a slight exaggeration of a lot on my part, Geoff, it's a million.

I too think that Onana contributes less than his team-mates, but I think that the criticism should be aimed in Sean Dyche's direction. He must be aware of Onana's apparent lack of commitment but considers him to be the best selection on the day. I appreciate that we are all entitled to voice our opinions but, as you no doubt know, we can all watch the same match but see a different game.

On a different tack, I'm looking forward to the next Bramley Moore get-together where we can discuss all things Everton.

In goalkeeping terms and in my memorable lifetime:

Peter Shilton.
Possibly Ray Clemence – underaged I thought.
Peter Schmeichel
Manuel Neuer
Gianluigi Buffon

I've missed a few and older generations can add a couple.

Jordan Pickford has matured and turned into a great keeper. But I wouldn't go as far as 'world class'.

How very dare you!!!

It was a pulsating game from start to finish. Everton played with passion and high intensity throughout, even with 10 v 11. The Goodison crowd helped, too. Besides the players, the fans were magnificent.

From our players, who all put in a great shift, I would still, in a positive manner, single out Dwight McNeil and Alex Iwobi. They really ran their socks off all evening. And yes, McNeil has got pace, too!

Abdoulaye Doucoure, who has been very good lately, turned out to be a villain this time. And Michael Keane from villain to hero.

As Lyndon also remarked, Keane was very badly tackled by Lucas Moura on his right foot a few minutes before he unleashed with that same foot a spectacular screamer which earned us a really deserved point.

And the "real" Harry of the evening was the little and brave boy Harry, who is one of Jordan Pickford´s biggest fans!

It was also great to see that Mike Lyons attended the game and was so well received. Of course our fans, the elder ones especially, still love Lyons, a player with a lion´s heart and a tower of strength throughout the 1970s in our central defence, and played also occasionally as our centre-forward. What a coincidence that Michael Keane performed both those acts in this match!

Yes we all have our own opinions about players and I did say at @(35) that Dyche might be picking Onana because there is nobody better at the moment. Let's hope whoever is selected on Saturday keeps this small run of undefeated games going and another point, at least, is gained.

I think you have committed a Cardinal Sin by not mentioning Neville Southall, I would also add Gordon Banks to the list. I could name one or two I have seen from 1948 to the present day, but I don't want to bore you.

I also had the pleasure of seeing Lev Yashin at Goodison Park in the 1966 World Cup.

Of course Neville Southall, who I share a birthday with, is on that list.

Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned.

I just hope that, if this is the case, Tom plays to his best and doesn't feel that he has to leave his foot in for every challenge. One of the really good things about the game on Monday night is that all the substitutes played their part and,with Patterson and maybe Calvert-Lewin to come, things are looking better.

I have not posted for a while because I thought there were too many pessimistic views being expressed. We were told that Everton would be relegated before Christmas, and here we are in April and still surviving.

Josh is playing again, he's 18 now and taking driving lessons, he has been attending away games with his mates, our roles have been reversed, he now looks after me.

Hi Danny [65],

You will have to do a penance of attending three Liverpool home games.

I go to The Arkles out of respect for my Grandad on my trips up. That's bad enough!

I am not optimistic of getting a ticket for Old Trafford, but if I do, I will take my optimism with me. I could go with a few United mates; they sit near the away fans, but I'd rather not even though I've known one of them for 30 years and we routinely talk and meet up.

Failing that, if you're going to Fulham home, a few of us are planning to meet up. Be good to see you and great to hear from you again.

Yes, Lev Yashin one of my favourite ‘keepers just by reading about him and watching some of his saves from newsreels. The Russian was certainly up there as one of the best and possibly was the bravest goalie of all time, the way he threw himself at the feet of oncoming strikers, or maybe the maddest.

I think also that we are not too far away from becoming a good team. Just that focal point is missing, again on Monday put a fit and in form Calvert-Lewin into that team and we win that match, possibly with a bit to spare.

You say about a bit of method coming into our play, it sounds daft to go over the top about that but it's a really massive thing. The lads are understanding what's required of them and are executing what they are training for all week.

Teams are finding us very tough to play against. We're making chances too also, the first time in many years I am getting excited when we get a corner! How many tight matches are won with a good, practiced set-piece?

A tough match on Saturday but even that one I know we are going there to fight for it. I wouldn't be surprised if we come home with something, that sentiment says a lot.

Nice to hear from you. That penance you have given Danny, 3 Liverpool home games is harsh, nearly worse than a life sentience.

I think the method is in the fitness. Sharper players get sharper minds and it's that little extra movement I was talking about that is helping us make it a little bit harder for the opposition and a little bit easier for ourselves.

It's a long road but, when I walked out of the Brighton game around the 85th minute, going along County Road felt like walking inside a very dark tunnel but on Monday night it felt like the clock had been moved forward hours.