Everton vs West Ham United

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Dominic Calvert-Lewin is in line to make his first appearance of the season but it remains to be seen whether he will start

Everton are back in action following the postponement of last weekend's fixtures as West Ham United travel to Merseyside for clash that, rather unexpectedly, will feature two clubs sitting in the bottom four of the early Premier League table.

While the Blues spent much of last season battling relegation and were expected to struggle again this term, the Hammers, under former Blues boss David Moyes, have been fighting at the right half of the table for the past two campaigns. They have, however, made a poor start to 2022-23 and came into this round of games in 18th place, one behind their opponents at Goodison Park.

Moyes's side remain a strong one, though, with the likes of Michaill Antonio, Manuel Lanzini, Declan Rice and Tomas Soucek in their ranks, and as new signings like Gianluca Scamacca and Maxwel Cornet start to bed in, the expectation is that they will begin to move up the table in fairly short order.

West Ham come up against a rapidly-improving Everton, however, who are on a five-game unbeaten run in all competitions under Frank Lampard. Even though they have yet to win in the League, there is a feeling that the combination of the manager's methods and some really positive moves in the transfer market should ensure that a scrap to avoid the drop won't be on the cards again this season.

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Idrissa Gueye's deadline-day arrival from Paris Saint-Germain added solidity to what is now a pleasingly balanced and well-rounded midfield and he is expected to make his first start alongside Amadou Onana and Alex Iwobi in a 4-3-3 while Lampard confirmed yesterday that Abdoulaye Doucouré will return to the squad following injury.

Asmir Begovic will make his first start in goal since March as Jordan Pickford recovers from a thigh problem but it's up front where much of the focus will be as Dominic Calvert-Lewin is in line for his first appearance of the season. The striker will be assessed before Sunday's Premier League clash with West Ham to determine whether he is fit enough to start for the first time this season.

Calvert-Lewin has missed all seven of Everton's opening matches to the season after sustaining a knee injury just days before the campaign kicked off, a continuation of the frustration he endured last term when a toe problem followed by a serious quad muscle tear restricted him to just 18 appearances in all competitions.

Calvert-Lewin returned to full training in the middle of last week with the hope of making the substitutes' bench against Arsenal but the postponement of that trip to the Emirates has given him an extra week to build his fitness.

 Lampard indicated that the club's medical staff will be cautious about throwing the 25-year-old back into action too quickly but it looks likely that Calvert-Lewin will be in the squad at least this weekend.

“[Dominic is] close,” Lampard said, “and we'll see come Sunday whether he's ready to start the game or not. We have to be careful with him because he's had a big injury but we'll see.

“We knew we were in need of a striker, a number 9. I was really pleased with [Neal Maupay] on his debut. He worked hard. He's settled into the group really well.

Lampard also gave updates on players who won't be returning this weekend due to injuries of their own. The manager suggested that Pickford is aiming to be fit following a calf strain in time to face either Southampton on 1 October or Manchester United the following weekend and he will be deputised by Begovic in the meantime.

“Asmir's a very experienced goalkeeper which is a big plus for us,” Lampard said. “He's had plenty of time to get his mind in gear. I think he's always ready.

“Jordan we hope to be fit [soon]. We're looking at Southampton and Man United. Yerry [Mina] won't be fit until after we come back from the international break and probably a similar timeframe to what Mason [Holgate] is [on]. A couple of weeks after.

“[Andros Townsend is] working incredibly hard to get fit. I can't give you an exact date I'm afraid but we're not talking the next few weeks.”

While there is increasing urgency around Everton getting this elusive first win under their belts, it's important that it doesn't become a pressurising preoccupation that begins to play on the players' minds. Recent performances, particularly in the Goodison derby last time out, suggest that if they just keep doing what they have been doing while integrating Neal Maupay and Calvert-Lewin into the new setup, it will only be a matter of time before the Toffees pick up their first three points.

Kick-off: 2:15pm, Sunday, 18 September, 2022
Referee: Michael Oliver
VAR: Mike Dean
Last Time: Everton 0 - 1 West Ham United

Predicted Line-up: Begovic, Patterson, Coady, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gueye, Onana, Iwobi, Gordon, Gray, Maupay


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Jim Bennings
1 Posted 16/09/2022 at 16:43:53
Let's hope this is the last of it but I've got my reservations unfortunately, due to the nature of his injuries this past year.

His game is all about athleticsm, I don't know how many games the body holds out for once you get that kind of injury?

I'm guessing Calvert-Lewin is now more 15-20 games a season instead of the previous 30-35.

Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 16/09/2022 at 16:50:27
He's been the only centre-forward at Everton since Lukaku left, so you would expect him to get some injuries. He's had nobody to share the workload with since he became the Everton Number 9.

Some will blame the player for getting injured, whilst others will realise that you need more than one centre-forward if you are to be successful in football.

Garry Martin
3 Posted 16/09/2022 at 16:57:20
Till his next injury...

'Sicknote' comes to mind.

Eddie Dunn
4 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:03:21
Lampard is usually very cautious with bringing players back and I think Calvert-Lewin will be on the bench.

West Ham have been defensively porous so far this season but Antonio was not used last night and Bowen only had a cameo.

It will be quite a test but perhaps we will find our scoring boots.

Michael Lynch
5 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:07:17
I'm delighted he's back, and hope he can make a huge impact between now and the World Cup break.

He's a fantastic athlete, and a superb footballer. For me, he's got nothing to prove – remember, it was his perfect header that kept us up last season – and I can see him scoring a lot of goals with our new improved set-up.

A tight defence and dynamic midfield will allow our forwards to be much more positive, and that should lead to more chances created for Dom.

Will Mabon
6 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:14:22
Garry, it's been a bad year or so for him, couple of bad injuries (and breakdown) in succession. Before that, he was essentially never injured for a long time, and played a combative, athletic game. He's not a sicknote.

I will say, I hope these injuries have not compromised him, he needs to be where he was physically for his game to work and have impact. Hopefully also, he isn't now made vulnerable to further troubles.

Jim Lloyd
7 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:16:36
I think once Calvert-Lewin comes back in, he won't just be isolated like he's been, as had Richarlison and Rondon. The team is much more cohesive than it's been for years and we've got a midfield who will also pester the opposition's defence. Then our two young fullbacks love tearing up the wings and contribute to the attack

We're not just going to leave it to the Number 9 to do all the donkey work and score goals as well. Step at a time but it's looking quite positive for us to move up the table... and stay there.

Pete Neilson
8 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:27:19
Glad to have him back.

Michael (5), add to that his cracking little pass for Iwobi's goal against Newcastle.

Dale Self
9 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:28:51
Impressed that no one mentioned his man bra. That is good because he needs all the support he can get.
Brent Stephens
10 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:32:21
I hate that phrase "sicknote" applied to a footballer who has had genuine injuries. It usually implies malingering, feigning injury – in which case, how does the poster know the injury isn't genuine?

Or is it being used in any other sense? How?

Brian Wilkinson
11 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:32:49
Doucouré and Garner both ready to feature as well. Finally, we have decent strength in depth, with Gueye, Onana and Maupay offering a much better midfield and attack.

Begovic is a decent stand-in for Pickford; no reason we should not feel confident for Sunday.

Garry Martin
12 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:51:27
Brent @6. deep thought there, mate, on the term "sicknote".

Calvert-Lewin, in my opinion, needs to 'man up' and realise he is gifted and playing football at the highest level and, earning loads of money doing so.

It was also not long ago that this guy was setting up a move to Arsenal and, prancing around in a dress… so, 'sicknote', to me, suits the bill.

Brent Stephens
13 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:55:28
Garry, so you think he's feigning injury?! I can't see "man up" meaning anything else. How do you know?
Mike Gaynes
14 Posted 16/09/2022 at 17:57:02
Couldn't disagree more, Garry. I think casting aspersions on his manhood is way out of line.
Garry Martin
15 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:23:04
Mike @14,

Who cast aspersions on his manhood?

Please enlighten me!

Jeff Armstrong
16 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:30:15
I cannot stand the negativity around Calvert-Lewin.

I remember when he first came into the team and was played out wide, left and right, inside forward, sub... he never failed to give 100% in any role he was asked to play.

Fast forward a couple of years and he's notching left right and centre, everybody's favourite penalty area player under Ancelotti, then comes a couple of injuries, around the same time a couple of fashion publicity articles... All of a sudden, he's a sicknote, injury-prone, waste of space.

I wonder about the people who aired those views, what are their true opinions?

His MotM game against Palace at the end of last season was one of the finest centre-forward performances I've seen at Goodison in many a year, and I've seen Royle, Latchford, Sharp, Lineker, Lukaku, Angell, and a lot more in my time. 16 headers he won that night... 16. Every ball he went up for, he won, a magnificent performance capped off by a superb diving header for a winner that kept us up,

(Fuck off anybody who starts splitting hairs about we would have stayed up anyway given the results that followed – that goal kept us up, for fuck's sake.)

Calvert-Lewin deserves our support, I believe he will be integral to us this season.


Denis Richardson
17 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:32:54
Sicknote is a bit harsh of a tag to label on Calvert-Lewin.

We've all been frustrated by his injuries (and the club's lack of intent or success in getting another forward) but let's be fair to the lad. The injuries he's had have been genuine and you could argue the club is partly at fault for playing him when not 100% fit (see bit in brackets above).

I'll be happy when a fit Calvert-Lewin is back in the squad (even though I ditched him out of my Fantasy Football team) and hope he can stay fit. Maupay is very unlikely to score 10+ goals this season and we need all the goal threat we can muster.

A good season from him also gives us options and possibly a decent transfer kitty next summer – he wants to move to a London club anyway for his extracurricular activities, by the look of things.

Jim Lloyd
18 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:40:30
We've had a few "sicknotes" over the years but, in their defence, I'm not sure many of us realise the stresses and strains on a player's body, at that level, must be tremendous.

Andros Townsend's injury didn't look much; but it's put him out for the best part of a year. Mina's recurring injuries are frustrating for us; but how much more so for him? Duncan Ferguson had his fair share; Delph's another and there's plenty more.

Not only are these players expected to be thoroughbred athletes, the skills they use, the shots, tackles twists and turns, leaps, saves, runs are all taking their toll throughout their careers, that's enough to see them as invalids after their playing careers. And that's without any injuries.

Anyone remember seeing Sandy Brown coming on the pitch as one of Everton's Legends. He was in a wheeelchair. I used to see Tommy Smith and Brian Labone knocking round the pubs in town, They were holding each other up! (Mind you, the drink might have had a bit to do with!) Seriously, they were both showing the signs of playing top-class football.

Colin Harvey, Howard Kendall and many more were left with their memories but also their constant pain from arthritis and Injuries. That's why Everton founded the Former Players Foundation.

If he wants to play for England and, as reported by some, to play for Arsenal, then what is the point? England, Arsenal or anyone else are going to buy a "sicknote".

Tony Everan
19 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:40:43
I can understand their trepidation about starting him but, at the same time, you've got to get some proper game time into him.

It's only competitive games that will get him fitter and build up his strength and we need Dominic back permanently in top form. Sounds like it's going to be a tough call for Frank on Sunday.

If Calvert-Lewin does start, it will be interesting to see whether Maupay does too and who gets left out, probably Gray?

Dale Self
20 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:40:51
Okay, sorry about the poor remark. I'm with him, just think he deserves a little action for his behaviour (and we can talk about that after the game if necessary).

Heading back to the woods for the weekend, I hope he scores a brace just to show me. Good luck Blues, we'll talk about the win on Monday! UTFT!!!!

Jeff Armstrong
21 Posted 16/09/2022 at 18:54:42
Dale# 20 what behaviour?... Don't wait until after he scores the winner on Sunday.


Frank won't start him, but I hope he does.

Will Mabon
23 Posted 16/09/2022 at 19:05:58
No.12 - yes, I am No.6. Who is No.1?

Dave Cashen
24 Posted 16/09/2022 at 19:08:28
All the usual side-splitters will be trotted out because it's a Calvert-Lewin thread, but every Blue needs to hope the guy can stay healthy and find top form.

His goals probably saved us from the drop once Silva realised he was a centre-forward. They gave mid-table respectability to Carlo in a side which would have surely battled against the drop without them. He saved Frank from certain relegation with his winner against Palace.

This guy isn't quite a top-class striker, but he is a serious line leader who can score goals. Exactly what Frank's team needs right now.

I can't take the 'sicknote' jibes seriously myself. The guy was repeatedly brought back too early by an increasingly desperate Rafa. His form suffered, so did his chances of a proper recovery.

Trying to compensate for an injury which isn't fully healed will almost certainly result in more injury.

Christy Ring
25 Posted 16/09/2022 at 19:22:08
Gary #12,

Calvert-Lewin had two serious injuries in the last year, never a serious one before then. Calling him sicknote is an insult, and questioning his dress sense is your ignorance, not his, and you were totally out of order.

Lampard said during the summer, and Calvert-Lewin assured him, he was going nowhere; more media speculation.

Paul Birmingham
26 Posted 16/09/2022 at 19:26:28
This is a tonic for the squad and with luck Calvert-Lewin will have fresh vigour and purpose to drive the Everton cause this season.

I've genuine hope for Everton v West Ham, and we hopefully carry on from the derby.

Normally, breaks in fixtures don't often see Everton maintain their form; this time I'm expecting the same, building on the positives, improving and consistency.

Also, Nathan Patterson to break his duck for Everton, we shall see.

Nick White
27 Posted 16/09/2022 at 19:35:25
Jeff, glad you included Angell in your list, many forget about him!

I don't see Calvert-Lewin starting on Sunday; he will be eased back in, and after the string of injuries, that's right in my view. Get him back up to fitness before building the match fitness.

1-0 Maupay!

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 16/09/2022 at 19:43:28
I don't expect Dominic to start and I hope he stays on the bench because we have a good winning lead. The more rest he gets, the better for Everton and Dominic.

We still need another striker to share the workload with Calvert-Lewin and Maupay instead of working the life out of them. Calvert-Lewin is a good solid striker, imo, who can be a top player for the Blues in the years to come.

John McFarlane Snr
34 Posted 16/09/2022 at 20:23:06
HI Jim [18]

You mention Sandy Brown, Colin Harvey, Howard Kendall and Tommy Smith, I used to stand outside the Winslow on match days chatting with George Orr, [I think you'll remember him] and quite often I would see Tommy Smith in his Echo duties shuffling along.

Probably the saddest occasion was when Jimmy Harris who could catch pigeons, was talking to a couple of Middlesbrough fans, and I can only surmise that he was getting them complimentary tickets, it was painful to watch him hobble across the road.

There are some players who can avoid injuries and some who can't, I can't imagine a footballer who doesn't want to play football.

Ray Roche
38 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:11:49
Garry Martin,

Your referring to Calvert-Lewin as a ‘sicknote' makes me wonder if it'd be worth bothering trying to have a sensible conversation with you. The guy had genuine injuries. Not his fault. Still, free speech and all that, it's your opinion.

And as for “setting up a move to Arsenal”, do you have inside information? Or just what you read in the Star? And Calvert-Lewin can wear whatever he wants provided he scores goals like that against Palace.

Tony Hill
39 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:19:40
I find it hard to think of another player like Calvert-Lewin. His leap is remarkable and he has an unpredictable array of resources – as well as some weaknesses, but they are unpredictable too.

The massive plus for us at the moment is the development, almost by stealth, of an incredibly promising midfield.

The other plus is our happy mix of experience and youth in defence – my sources tell me that the powers that be are delighted, in particular, with Coady and Tarkowski and their influence on the team. For my part, Patterson looks like he could be a truly formidable full-back.

If Maupay and Calvert-Lewin can gel – as I believe they may – then I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that we will have a team to trouble anyone or, at least, not to fold haplessly.

All Blues now surely feel that this is a proper structure being built. A really proper structure.

It will take time and there will be some messes and misses ahead but great credit to Lampard and Thelwell. We are self-possessed for the first time in many, many years.

Alex Bennett
42 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:22:28
Please let us have some luck and let Calvert-Lewin get off to a flyer quickly either this weekend or next

We all know he is capable of being the striker we need, he just needs that run of form and luck with injuries to change.

Andy Crooks
43 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:32:01
Christy@, top post.

Some of the comments on Dominic have, since he came to our club, been cretinous. Hands up who whinged "Championship at best"?

The comments on his "dress sense" and the rants about Tom Davies which I and the admirable Danny O'Neill witnessed last season are toxic.

Jerome Shields
45 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:43:24
Hope he is not rushing back to get a World Cup call up.
Colin Metcalfe
46 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:46:02
Calvert-Lewin is our Frank Bruno of football – big, strong and occasionally gets the big hits in against inferior opponents but, with his poor movement – no bobing and weaving – he is no Mike Tyson. In other words, an average Premier League striker who may get a dozen goals a season, certainly nothing special.
Simon Dalzell
47 Posted 16/09/2022 at 21:52:41
Andy 43. To be fair, these ' cretinous' comments came at a time (lengthy) when he was garbage. He improved dramatically.

He deserved the criticism at the time. He had the mobility of a lamp post, couldn't score or assist. He didn't look a Premier League striker.

Fantastic for him and us that he stepped up. We just stated the obvious what the eye could see, and the stats backed up.

Jeff Armstrong
48 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:00:13
Simon 47, I don't agree.

He was brought back in when obviously nowhere near fit.

He showed once again against Palace, when fully fit, he is effective.

Michael Kenrick
49 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:08:20
I think Simon has a point.

When you watch a player who is being picked to play again and again, and yet he is obviously not playing very well (be it Calvert-Lewin or Rondon for us), it's a lot less obvious that he is actually unfit.

In fact, if that were true, it's a poor indictment of the manager-coach-player system that sees him selected again and again. It's their job to make sure the player is fit, and to not play him if he is unfit.

With Calvert-Lewin, we also had this unspecified mental health problem that could mean he was 100% fit to play physically but his mental condition meant that he was performing well below par – something that I imagine was much more difficult for the club to deal with.

And is it still affecting him? Who knows?

David West
50 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:10:56
Dave 24,

Yes, he's not a top-level striker but we may just be getting a decent team together around him. Which he hasn't really had during the whole of his Everton career.

He's been a really good striker for 2 years before his injury in a pretty shite team. He's done good when called on for England.

Coming into his prime now, maybe it will all be good timing and we get him the supply and he cracks on to the next level.
I don't agree with the "sicknote" tag he's been given by lazy posters.

I think he's had bad luck in the last year or two owing to the fact that so much was resting on him rushing back from injuries as our only decent striking option.

A player, over a career, may have these type of years – it should either make or break his progress to that next level of striker. Let's give him the service and see if he can be the main man again.

He can wear all the skirts and handbags he wants if he gets us 20 goals a season.

Tony Hill
51 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:14:24
It's not about Calvert-Lewin on his own, it's what he does for the mix; it's about how he enhances the team. Same with Maupay and, indeed, all of the players: how, if at all, do they cohere?

There are rarities who do, on their own, shine forth but, when you think about it, they also have had their successes in concert with their very gifted colleagues. Pele, Best, Cruyff, Ronaldo, Messi have won things because of teammates on a lower plane but still a very fine one.

The only clear exception I can think of is Maradona.

God knows why I'm talking of these people on a Calvert-Lewin thread but it is, indeed, about the ensemble and I think we are producing one with manifest potential.

Jeff Armstrong
52 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:17:06
Michael 49, you’ve never liked him.
Michael Kenrick
53 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:33:35
Watching him get great chances but fail to take them has definitely affected my opinion of him, Jeff.

The difficulty he has making a decent connection with the ball has always been there, sadly, and too often he was in the wrong position to finish a glorious opportunity.

Maybe he was unfit for each and every one of those maddening moments and that's the excuse you seem to be putting forward? Sorry but I just don't buy it.

Don Alexander
55 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:37:10
DCL's goals-per-game ratio is more or less identical to those of Joe Royle and Bob Latchford, and much better than the ludicrous "legendary" status some of us bestow on Duncan (still-unemployed) Ferguson.

The fact that he's done this amid a team annually getting worse for six consecutive seasons under half a dozen different managers is a remarkable achievement by him as far as I'm concerned.

We'll do well to keep hold of him if he's now fit enough to come out firing on all cylinders.

PS; like most other players in our squad he needs to practice shooting from distance - and in my experience practice works!

Jeff Armstrong
57 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:47:38
Michael, I'm not arguing with you, you've just decided ridiculously 5 years ago when it comes to DCL.

If he scores a perfect hat-trick in the FA cup final against Liverpool, you'd still say he should have got 4 cos of that chance he missed in the first minute!

For you, he has no redemption.

Peter Mills
58 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:49:49
Dominic is a very good footballer, the sooner he is back into our developing team the better.
Jeff Armstrong
59 Posted 16/09/2022 at 22:59:08
I’m fuming here, DCL deserves better than this from people who should know better .

MK did you miss his performance against Palace?

Too busy writing your “match report “ to actually see what was going on?

Head down looking at a screen? Might of missed a lot apart from “big moments”?

Oh yes, you lot can can multi task, apart from concentrating on a full football match!

Paul Kernot
60 Posted 16/09/2022 at 23:21:04
Will #23. What do you want? We want information. You won't get it!
Kieran Byrne
61 Posted 16/09/2022 at 23:26:02
I like DCL, he's got all the tools in his locker to one year have a 25-30 goal season, if everything goes right.
Now that he has a far better team behind him and we're creating more chances, I'm hopeful that he will go on a big run of form maybe in the New Year?!

He's got size, speed, isn't lazy, can head the ball, and I think that his one touch in the box will only get better. I wish he would use his ball control and skills to isolate a defender one-on-one more as his quickness is his strength. And maybe he needs to work on his shot with both feet especially from the top or outside the box, but that's being over-critical as he is and has been a big player for Everton for a number of years now.

This is a player that gets stuck in and I don't think that anyone can say that he doesn't put a shift in, game-in & game-out. He's a solid pro that is coming into his best years. We should be lauding this player – he should be considered for the captain position, imho.

Michael Kenrick
62 Posted 16/09/2022 at 23:26:54

I think he's got a long way to go before he can be considered a great striker. I really hope Frank can at least teach him how to strike the ball properly.

Scoring a hat-trick? Now that would be good to see him do. I don't think he has managed that yet, into his 7th season with us.

Geoff Lambert
65 Posted 17/09/2022 at 00:26:28
If he can stay fit and chip in with 10 to 12 goals, it will help our chances of mid-table.

I don't know if we will ever get a top striker at our club again, but if we do manage to buy one or bring one through he will be off to one of the big guns before too long.

3 points on Sunday and creeping away from the bottom three please.

Tony Hill
66 Posted 17/09/2022 at 00:42:29
Geoff @65, I'm a gloomy one too. But you can sense the growing heft in the team.

Gana, Onana and Garner with Iwobi pushed up (but it is the first 3 who are crucial). We are going to be powerful in the centre of the board.

Control the centre and your opponent must struggle.

Ian Jones
67 Posted 17/09/2022 at 01:13:46
Michael @ 66

DCL - 2 Hat tricks in the James Rodriguez season.
With an assist from Google, as I couldn't think of any.

Exhibit A
DCL vs West Brom
Exhibit B
DCL vs West Ham

2 in about 10 days

Lyndon Lloyd
68 Posted 17/09/2022 at 01:18:21
Granted, it was only one season (because that's all he's had since turning into the striker we all hoped he would) but Calvert-Lewin demonstrated in 2020-21 that he can be a top-class centre-forward, albeit one who might never scale the heights reached by the likes of Harry Kane.

He's not as versatile as Kane but he's one of only two three strikers in the Premier League era to have scored more than 20 goals in a season for Everton which is pretty significant. And let's not forget he had three in three last season before he got injured.

Calling him "sicknote" is pretty weak without considering how an injury as serious as the one he suffered can mess with your mechanics when you resume playing (particularly when you've been rushed back by a manager fighting to save his job) and the knock-on effects it can have on other parts of your body. That's essentially DCL's challenge now and we'll have to wait and see whether this latest comeback is a lasting one.

Finally, it would seem to me that the mental health issues he spoke of were because he couldn't play rather than preventing him from playing. My guess is that, if he can get back playing regularly, he'll be just fine and so will we.

Steve Brown
69 Posted 17/09/2022 at 03:17:19
Dominic averaged 40 games a season in the 4 years before his serious injury. Hardly a sicknote.

The question is this - ‘have we been a better or worse side in his absence?' Think we all know the answer to that.

I am delighted he is back, but we need to take it slowly.

As for those casting aspersions due to what he wears, get with the 21st Century, granddad.

Derek Knox
70 Posted 17/09/2022 at 06:19:54
I tend to agree with those who have suggested don't rush him back in because he has now been declared fit. I would be tempted to more or less start with the same side or near enough, with Dom on the bench and see how things pan out, that will keep Maupay on his toes knowing that he has got competition.

Having said that, I didn't think Maupay played that badly considering it was his first game for a while, first derby, first time getting to know the system etc. Remembering of course, if he was a prolific scorer, Brighton wouldn't have let him leave, and we wouldn't have paid what we did for him.

The thing is with strikers of all abilities, they are a threat given the chance, and it can often take two of the opposition to mark him, while hopefully it creates an opportunity for someone else to profit.

All the great teams of our past have had potential goal threats from all departments, even the goalkeeper (Tim Howard), whereas at the moment realistically we only have a limited number who are prepared to shoot on sight, with any chance of a result.


Terry Farrell
71 Posted 17/09/2022 at 07:34:36
Well said, Jeff, agree with all your points. Aside from Haaland and Kane, he's up there with any centre-forward in the Premier League. Hard as nails with a great attitude and work ethic.

He's also a decent lad who never causes problems. I can't wait for him to get back in the team.

Paul Birmingham
72 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:10:48
Good to see Calvert-Lewin getting backing.

Let's keep the spirit from the derby and added with the bonus return of Calvert-Lewin being available.

Everton is building slowly but with resolve, guts and purpose, though it's still early days in the season.

Tarkowski, in my view, should be Captain tomorrow.

Danny Baily
73 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:29:56
DCL or no DCL in the starting lineup, we need to start winning. That's what it's all about if we're going to avoid relegation, and we haven't looked like winning any of our games so far (and we've been lucky to escape some with a point).

One positive was that there have been a few chances of late, particularly in the derby, that a decent striker with match practice would have put away.

Robert Tressell
74 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:34:07
In the Premier League, who is definitely better than a fully fit Calvert-Lewin?

Certainly Haaland, Kane and Jesus.

Possibly Rashford, Aubameyang and Nunez but each have much to prove. Interesting comparison once Calvert-Lewin is fully fit.

Possibly Toney who has been given time to develop in a side that plays to his strengths.

Probably not Watkins, Ings, Daka, Edward, Jiminez, Isak, Wilson etc although one or two from this category may come good over time.

Personally, I always felt Calvert-Lewin was hated by some on ToffeeWeb because he isn't in the absolute top category. It's got worse since his only ever injury-hit season. It got worse still when he got into fashion (which is not my cup of tea but rather that than alcoholism, gambling or sexual violence etc).

Okay, he's never going to be our Haaland but he's still one of the Premier League era strikers we've had along with a few strikers and their fan labels, Lukaku (lazy), Saha (a genuine sicknote), Yakubu (fat, lazy and 10 years older than claimed), Ferguson (overrated). And Calvert-Lewin has spent a lot of time playing in really awful sides.

Looking forward to seeing him with the full-backs and revitalised Iwobi, Gordon and McNeil supplying crosses etc.

Danny O’Neill
75 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:38:54
Good call, Lyndon. As someone who suffered a quad injury, it's a very difficult one to recover from. More so than a hamstring. Yes, done that too, as well as broken a leg, both ankles and done ligament damage. Not to mention the odd groin strain, although that was nothing a bit of Tiger Balm or Deep Heat couldn't sort out!!

Seriously though, the quad is a really difficult one. You think you're fine relatively quickly. You can run and train. But the moment you try to play, with the movement involved, it goes again without warning.

I've sounded off many times about the difference between Calvert-Lewin and Kane. Kane reminds me of Graeme Sharp. A more complete forward player. Dominic is more of an in-the-box striker. Take him for what he is. But most importantly, let's get him back on the pitch. He is an asset to this Everton team.

I'll trust the current management team and medical team to make that judgement and also how they introduce him back into the fold for the benefit of Everton and for Dominic's career.

Also so that he can score the winner at Wembley next year. Frank can dance around the flag. I will just dance.

And cry probably with emotion!!

Steve Shave
76 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:41:21
Pleased to read you're still backing Calvert-Lewin, Robert, I echo your sentiments. He is a fine player, a handful and a real asset.

He is ours, we brought him for buttons and his return strengthens us considerably. To those who feel a need to continuously knock him for being injured, wearing a skirt or whatever, give yer head a wobble and give our boy some backing. He can return to fitness and form.

I had a dream last night that Dom wins it for us in the 80th, 1-0.

Barry Williams
77 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:44:55
A couple of things.

We saw under Ancelotti that Calvert-Lewin can deliver the goal-scoring goods.

He is now coming into a different team than the one he most recently played for – with a whole new midfield to boot.

I never thought him and Richarlison gelled as a partnership – they just didn't work together, in my humble opinion. With other players around him and now being even more of a focal point, it will be interesting to see how it goes. Dare I say – fewer egos at play?

But yes, ease him in gently – as the actress said to the... etc etc!

Peter Hodgson
78 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:46:23
After reading all the posts on this thread I am a bit confused because presumably they were all written by people who support Everton and who want them to do well this season.

A thread about our centre forward who is on his way back from a difficult time last season due to injuries should have encouraged positive and encouraging words from supporters but that wasn't always the case surprisingly. Why for goodness sake?

Criticize as you feel fit but not the player please. He is not responsible for his injuries. His activities outside football has nothing to do with Everton as long as they didn't cause or prolong those injuries. If anyone is to blame for the injuries it has to be an opponent or the way Club themselves handled him.

If the finger has to be pointed somewhere for us not having proper cover for him it should be pointed fairly and squarely somewhere in the corridors of power at Goodison not at the player himself.

I have been critical, and still am, of that aspect. We have had a good summer window except for that so it is very wrong to start pointing critical fingers, in any way shape or form, at DCL for something that is not of his making.

Finally football is a business and devoid of sentiment. That is how is it these days like it or not. But us fans do need to look on it slightly differently and with a certain amount of sympathy so if any player, DCL in this case, reads these posts we should be sending a message of encouragement and support not undue criticism.

Stu Darlington
79 Posted 17/09/2022 at 08:49:15
I'm pleased that Calvert-Lewin is on the way back. He'll provide another missing piece of the jigsaw we so desperately need up front.

To label him 'sicknote' is disgraceful. He had two serious injuries last season, after four seasons of being almost an ever-present, and that's playing at the sharp end in the toughest league in the world!

He will never be a prolific scorer but, as mentioned above, his record is on a par with some past Everton legends.
In his favour, he is a big, mobile unit, whose presence in the box draws defenders' attention and creates space for other players.

Good to see you back, Dominic, hope you can stay fit.

Ray Robinson
80 Posted 17/09/2022 at 09:07:06
Appreciate the lad for what he brings which is first time finishes in the 6-yard box and headed goals rather than spectacular long-range strikes and multi-touch finishes. He'll rarely score a goal like Townsend or pull a lofted ball down and beat the goalie in a one-on-one like Gray but then they'll never score some of the goals that he does.

He'll probably never be hugely prolific but give him the right first-time service and he'll always be dangerous. Concentrate on what he's good at and try to improve his deficiencies. I'm certainly glad to have him back.

Robert Tressell
81 Posted 17/09/2022 at 09:26:09
Ray, even then there's a collective amnesia about the quality goals. Like where he brought down a nicely flighted ball from Keane and in one motion turned and dinked it over the keeper.

In his absence he seems to have been reduced to scruffy tap ins only.

Tony Abrahams
82 Posted 17/09/2022 at 09:30:35
What about his header against Liverpool, Robert? Some leap that, and the only thing missing was the crowd.
Brian Murray
83 Posted 17/09/2022 at 09:49:21
His one-on-ones are not really there so he may miss out to Toney in the World Cup squad but we need him as at least an option without pushing him too much.
Colin Glassar
84 Posted 17/09/2022 at 09:49:21
This lad's like marmite, isn’t he? I love marmite, so there!! Can we still use Oxford commas on here?
Michael Connelly
85 Posted 17/09/2022 at 09:55:45
Top comment Ray (80). Saved me from typing it.
Brian Harrison
86 Posted 17/09/2022 at 10:03:33
Whether DCL starts or comes on tomorrow, the most important thing is we have to get 3 points. This will be our 7th game and, to be honest, we haven't looked like winning any of the previous 6 games, with maybe the derby game being the only one we looked like we could win. There are 10 league games before the World Cup break, and we need to be firmly in mid table when that break comes and not in the Bottom 6.

Obviously Lampard has strengthened the team in the last window and hopefully the results should follow but he has to start winning games.

Defensively and in midfield we look a far better squad than we did prior to the window opening. But I think it's quite obvious, for whatever reason, Lampard didn't get his 1st, 2nd or 3rd option striker and was forced to sign Maupay, a good honest player but not the striker we need.

I think DCL is a good striker but he has his limitations and for me Everton have relied on him too much for the last 4 seasons. We needed a striker to challenge DCL and that has never happened since he was promoted to the first team, and we all know how competition for places is vital if teams are to be successful.

Andrew Clare
87 Posted 17/09/2022 at 10:11:30
I think he will do well in our revamped team. He now has people around him who will create more chances so goals will come.

He won't start against West Ham but he will definitely feature later in the game. I am very hopeful for our first win on Sunday.

John Chambers
88 Posted 17/09/2022 at 10:34:36
Good to have him back, but I suspect he will start on the bench tomorrow. He will certainly provide a focal point for all of our wingers and overlapping full backs to find in the box.

I also wonder about all the “sicknote” comments. We all seem to overlook that Rafa played him several times early last season with a broken toe. I wonder how much that contributed to his quad injury as he would have been stressing other parts of his body to protect the foot.

Martin Mason
90 Posted 17/09/2022 at 11:11:26
I'm really glad to see him back. We must give him chance to re-establish his form.
Peter Hodgson
91 Posted 17/09/2022 at 11:26:33
Colin @ 85 I hate marmite – won't go anywhere near it, but I think the world of Calvert-Lewin and of what he has and will do for us once he is back fit and staying that way.

We all have our limitations and, when they are spotted in a footballer, the manager and his staff have the responsibility to work on them to improve things as best they can.

That is their job. Our job is to support their efforts and the team which we do, although sometimes in a roundabout fashion.

Welcome back, Dom, and get scoring again asap. We need your goals.

Stephen Williams
92 Posted 17/09/2022 at 11:31:23
There's being fit (to run around, receive and pass the ball etc) and being match fit (sharp, ability to sustain intensive efforts). Sounds like he might be the former but can't possibly yet be the latter.

There are dangers of recurring injuries in busting a gut (like you would when fully match fit) without being match fit. This applies to anyone coming back from a lay-off, not just Calvert-Lewin.

Therefore we must be patient with him whilst he gets back to 100% – most will give him that patience but clearly some won't! I suspect Lampard will be in the former and so it is unlikely we'll see him in anything but a cameo or desperation.

As to what constitutes top quality, whilst Calvert-Lewin isn't a Kane or Haaland (who cost money that we can't even dream of), he compares very favourably with the next level who are still very good players. Although it's early days, I'd put him above that redshite that cost £85M – he's been underwhelming at best so far.

Let's get behind the players we have – I can't understand not doing so.

Anyway, we'll beat West Ham tomorrow – be positive chaps, try it you might just like it.

Brian Murray
93 Posted 17/09/2022 at 11:36:12
West Ham, like most of the Premier League, have dangerous players. I’m hoping our awesome midfield will have too much for them as long as we take our chances. Over to you, Maupay!
Danny O’Neill
94 Posted 17/09/2022 at 11:40:52
I think the problem we all have is making comparisons. No two players are the same.

He's no Harry Kane.

He's no Graeme Sharp.

He's Dominic Calvert-Lewin. Judge him for what he is and what he brings.

Okay, I now contradict myself, but if you push me to compare against Everton forwards I have watched, a more talented and athletic version of Duncan Ferguson with perhaps a hint of Wayne Clarke in him.

A goal sniffer. An in-the-box striker.

Let's get him back on the pitch and get him in the box.

Frank Kearns
95 Posted 17/09/2022 at 12:31:55
I just hope he stays fit.
Rick Tarleton
96 Posted 17/09/2022 at 12:32:23
Dominic Calvert-Lewin was an excellent, old-style centre forward before his injury problems. Had he avoided his injuries, he would have been a certainty for the World Cup squad.

Dave Hickson, he ain't, but then Dave Hickson would not have been allowed to be Dave Hickson in the modern era. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I hope he comes back and returns to his previous level and I hope he doesn't then look for a move.

Ray Robinson
97 Posted 17/09/2022 at 12:34:12
Robert #82. I've certainly not forgotten that goal! All I am saying that that one was, generally speaking, not a typical DCL goal and that sort of finish is not his forte.

Most of his goals are one touch. Nothing wrong with that. Bob Latchford was no multi-touch goalscorer either!

Brian Murray
98 Posted 17/09/2022 at 12:35:34
Big question we will know: Is the injuries just unlucky and freakish or is he injury-prone?
Christine Foster
99 Posted 17/09/2022 at 12:52:49
DCL gives the team a focal point, a front man to play to and one to feed off. It opens space for Gordon, Gray or Maupay, Second balls to be won and the team a shape.

But that's bread and butter stuff, the real icing on the cake is goal threat. Opportunities to get the ball into the box early, to get him into the box to score.

He is a vital piece of the jigsaw that enables the team to do the other stuff better.

Joe Digney
100 Posted 17/09/2022 at 13:00:10
My gut feeling for this one is we're gonna batter these 3-1 with this being the match to kick-start our season. Might sound like a mad man to some, but I'm feeling weirdly positive for once and I'm gonna stick with it…

I'll probably be punching the tele come 4 o'clock tomorrow but until then 3-1 to the Blues with Dom getting one off the bench.

Brian Murray
101 Posted 17/09/2022 at 13:13:15

Dom has his strengths we have to utilise. I'd say we may see him after the hour mark depending on how it's going. Don't mention the Cannonball Kid – someone may join this thread we can do without. lol

Raymond Fox
102 Posted 17/09/2022 at 13:37:50
I can't see Dominic starting the game, he might get on depending on how the game is going.

We are definitely a better side with him playing when he is fit, let's hope he stays that way.

Mike Dolan
105 Posted 17/09/2022 at 14:20:44
Calvert-Lewin is one of the best centre-forward's in the league. He will be better than we have ever seem him in this remodeled Everton.

Not having to be reliant on scraps and lofted balls will suit him. We forget that he is a really good player all around because he is superb in the air.

McNeil, Garner, Maupay all make him a better player. Everton have not had this level of connection at the top for years.

Christy Ring
106 Posted 17/09/2022 at 14:42:19
I cannot believe the criticism of DCL, his goal against Palace showed what he brings to the team, and with wide players like Gordon and Gray, he'll thrive on their crosses. Hopefully he can leave his injuries behind him, and get back to the form he had under Ancelotti.

Be thankful he's our player, most of the teams in the Premier League would love to have him. It's like being on the Live Forum with some of the comments on here.

Dave Abrahams
107 Posted 17/09/2022 at 14:48:11
Christine (106), yes Dominic in the box, how many of us thought, early in the derby game when that great centre from Gray(?) flashed across the penalty area, “Dominic would have headed that home”. I think he will get a few chances like that one this season.
Tony Abrahams
109 Posted 17/09/2022 at 15:14:19
At a stage in the season when players need to play regularly to gain momentum, I'm just hoping that this 15 day break doesn't work against us, especially considering we are playing against a team that have played two competitive games in the last 10 days.
Eddie Dunn
110 Posted 17/09/2022 at 15:39:21
We simply have to start scoring so why not crack a few in tomorrow.
John Keating
111 Posted 17/09/2022 at 15:46:10
Need a win behind us going in to the break.

No matter how, a must: 3 points tomorrow.

If fit, DCL has to start.

Kim Vivian
112 Posted 17/09/2022 at 15:49:59
I have a good feeling about this match but unfortunately will be missing it due to the fixture clashing with my drive to Devon tomorrow afternoon. Not even any LF so it'll be MOTD and Sky replays for me.

COYB - I'm seeing 2-0 or better in my tea leaves, and I'm going to bloody miss it..

Neil Cremin
113 Posted 17/09/2022 at 16:30:41
Without going through all threads and I've read a lot, IMHO DCL is a finisher who also has a great leap for crosses. Carlo said as much when he said he was like Inzaghi, who scored most his goals in 6-yard box.

All he needs is a good supply of quality ball. Only fear is that he won't get it from Gordon or Gray.

Hope I'm wrong.

Christopher Timmins
114 Posted 17/09/2022 at 16:48:47
West Ham have spent big this summer but look vulnerable at the back.

We can register our first win of the season.

David West
115 Posted 17/09/2022 at 19:45:11
Carlo saw Calvert-Lewin's limitations yet still backed him. He showed Dom that not all strikers are the same. He focused his talents to the area he would have the biggest impact.

Before Carlo, the lad was played all over the front, even wing back. I remember Rafa had him chasing shadows half the time while half-fit.

You don't have to play like Messi to get 20 a season. He's not going to score a load of outside-the-box worldies or dribble past 5 men and score.

But there are many great poachers, Lineker & Klose are the best two I can think of who were right-place, right-time guys.

I always go back to the Chelsea game when Ferguson was caretaker. Dom was immense that day, the defence couldn't cope, he was nasty & aggressive that's how he should be.

Coming into his prime now. Some people think the World cup will divert his attention, but he's not going to the World cup unless he's smashing in a load of goals for the Blues.

Sam Hoare
116 Posted 17/09/2022 at 19:57:39
The team is looking better and definitely more solid but I still think we may struggle for goals. There is a lack of creativity still and no top level set piece takers (McNeil and Garner are very decent but presumably not in the starting XI which you’d imagine Lyndon has called correctly).

Iwobi is probably our best playmaker from open play but no one else has great vision or passing to make the most of opportunities in the final third and I suspect we may struggle to open up teams that are not susceptible to the counter. Patterson offers some penetration from the right but Mykolenko is mediocre on the ball and most teams will know that and funnel our possession his way.

I expect a tight match with both teams trying to counter and much may depend upon which team can win their individual battles. Fingers crossed for a scrappy 2-1 with a late goal from substitute DCL.

Brian Wilkinson
117 Posted 17/09/2022 at 19:58:10
Win tomorrow and we go to 13th, lose we drop in the bottom three.

Big chance tomorrow to shoot us up the league, for once do not do an Everton and fluff the chance.

Certainly got the players now to dig out a win, feeling confident about tomorrow.

Neil Copeland
118 Posted 17/09/2022 at 20:03:16
Even when DCL is not at his best we look a much better balanced team with him. Also, teams know he is a threat so he occupies 1 or 2 players which helps us going forward.

Looking forward to the game. The new look midfield is shaping up to be the best we have had in a long time. Overdue a win,


Bill Gienapp
119 Posted 17/09/2022 at 20:49:24
There's no question that Calvert-Lewin is an above average striker. He's a fantastic header and very good at finishing around the box - give him quality, consistent service and he'll score goals.

His main shortcoming - and why he'll likely never be an *elite* Premier League striker - is that he possesses no real shooting ability... and thus rarely conjures goals on his own. But if you play to his strengths, he can be very, very effective.

Kunal Desai
120 Posted 17/09/2022 at 21:21:32
This I feel is a critical game and we must take 3 points from. Yes performances have improved and we've not lost in four but given the run of fixtures coming up, Southampton away is tricky considering our away form and a rejuvenated Man.Utd won't be anything like last season.

All good and well saying performances are getting better but ultimately it's results that Lampard is judged on, it could easily go ten or eleven games without a win but at least we've put in a performance. That isn't good enough.

3 points an absolute must tomorrow.

Can't allow Moyes taking a hattrick of 1-0 wins away at Goodison.

Gladly take an abject performance and 3 points courtesy of the ball going in of Rondon's arse.

Tony Hill
121 Posted 17/09/2022 at 21:37:02
I expect us to win tomorrow. West Ham are erratic this season but, above all, I think our midfield will dominate.

Danny O’Neill
122 Posted 17/09/2022 at 21:57:45
I thought about this, but I'll go ahead, so feel free to shout me down.

I know everyone has their views and opinions. And we live in a nation where we are afforded them through hard-won freedoms.

But I hope we are respectful tomorrow. I know our city has had a troubled recent past with the establishment and rightfully so.

But I don't confuse politicians with Royalty. Give me the Queen over any political leader of my lifetime any day.

We have the Royal Liver Building, the Royal Liverpool Hospital and we play in Royal Blue.

I know it's personal choice, but I hope we don't disappoint and behave like them.

Then we go and get the 3 points.

Barry Rathbone
123 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:15:08
There's a time and place for everything and attention seeking shouts during a minute's silence isn't that place.

I'm republican by nature and the idea of subservience sets me on edge especially the blood line and accident of birth variety.

Be dignified at the game and honour the silence then subscribe to the republican movement if the need to protest persists.

Neil Copeland
124 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:17:01
Danny, spot on. I don’t think we will disappoint tomorrow.
Rob Halligan
125 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:18:56
Danny, you will be able to hear a pin drop on the hallowed Goodison turf tomorrow during the minute's silence.

While I was away last week, I was sent a WhatsApp video of the minute's silence at Anfield before their Champions League game against Ajax last week, and it just shows what vile rats those fans are, as well as some of their dirty vile rat players. One scum club from top to bottom.

Neil Lawson
126 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:19:41
Jeff Armstrong 16. Spot on.

But Brett Angell? Seriously?

Jerome Shields
127 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:21:43
I have always been of the opinion that Calvert-Lewin, although worked hard to get in contention, had flaws as a centre-forward: poor on the ground, poor a getting into position and though good with his head, was a poor finisher with his feet.

He may be recovering from injury, but he did put in some apathetic performances last season. I totally agreed with Michael Kenrick's opinion regarding him.

One thing that I find surreal is the skills and value attributed to him when he is not playing, which imo bears little relation to most of his actual play.

I do have real concerns regarding his recent enthusiasm to play, given the recent call-up of untried centre-forwards to the England squad, with just over a month to go to the World Cup in Qatar.

Such is Southgate's lack of depth, just being selected may put him in contention, but is that good for Everton with a new centre-forward with only one match under his belt, a Merseyside derby?

Rob Halligan
128 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:24:46
Rob Halligan
129 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:26:26
Danny O’Neill
130 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:35:56
I know, Rob. Let's not be like them.

They can't be us.


Tony Dunn
131 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:43:21
Lots of very sad comments on here about our top striker.

Support him. You show yourselves up as very old-fashioned... as someone said, "Get with it, grandad."

3 points tomorrow.

Danny O’Neill
132 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:46:15
Irish band on in the local. Singing Que Sera.

It's a sign.

Tell yer Ma. We're going to Wembley.

Well said, Barry.

Neil Copeland
133 Posted 17/09/2022 at 22:50:39
Danny, get the champagne ready, we’re going twice!
Brent Stephens
134 Posted 17/09/2022 at 23:28:55
Barry #123 my sentiments exactly. Top post, mate.
David McMullen
135 Posted 17/09/2022 at 23:29:39
Looking forward to Calvert-Lewin scoring a hat-trick off the bench, yeah man.

West Ham have had some decent results against us of late; one I went to we lost 3-1. I fully expect us to be winning tomorrow and getting this season (belatedly) up and running.

Kevin Naylor
136 Posted 17/09/2022 at 23:31:48
Calvert-Lewin is a bit of a Bob Latchford type player for me and his winner against Palace very much reminded me of him. I don't recall Bob hardly ever scoring outside the box but was an excellent header of the ball and a great goal poacher.

Calvert-Lewin has a fair bit to do to reach that level but, if he keeps fit and gets the service, who knows?

Tony Byrne
137 Posted 18/09/2022 at 00:42:16
I can't wait to go to the game tomorrow, me and my son wait in anticipation that this could be our first 3 points of the season.

I'm no royalist but we will both observe the minute's silence in our impeccable manner, my upbringing expects me to do this, regardless of where we come from.

I will stick my neck out here and will go 1-0 Everton that has been in my head all week.

Calvert-Lewin will be on the bench, I reckon, small steps and all that, as well as an international break coming up which will give the lad time to get physically fit for the games ahead.

Up the blue boys!

Bernie Quinn
138 Posted 18/09/2022 at 01:24:28
Danny @132,

Think on, old buddy, that you will have me (or Christine, or both) screaming the lads on!

As for tonight, well I'm a little worried that I feel so confident. I think we will win 4-0 and I'm searching for my telescope to watch Christine do her Irish Jig. (Am I still allowed to say 'Irish'?)

In Frank I Trust.

Brian Wilkinson
139 Posted 18/09/2022 at 01:26:33
Two-nil for the Blues.

This season's top has brought me no luck yet, so I'm going to wear last season's home top, the very one I wore for the Palace home game – washed, of course.

Done my bit for the cause, fingers crossed.

Bernie Quinn
140 Posted 18/09/2022 at 01:37:39
Must add a proviso to my post at 138 -- just noticed who the referee is for the game, so my forecast depends on how many red cards there are!!!
Christine Foster
141 Posted 18/09/2022 at 02:09:02
I hope the minute's silence is respected in total silence, no matter where your opinions on the monarchy lie. If you hear the guy in front of you about to sound off, a quick dig in the ribs and a short comment liking him to that disgraceful lot across the park should do it! Respect the silence and show our class.

Too often people come on here and make comment that we can be just as bad as them, but I disagree, we are not, never have been, never will be. One minute of silence. A statement that we will forever be better. No matter what.

Colin Glassar
142 Posted 18/09/2022 at 06:49:52
A must-win game imo. We don't want to be cut adrift so early in the season after having time to prepare.
Frank Fearns
143 Posted 18/09/2022 at 07:18:17
An emphatic 3/4 nil win would ease all the tension and give my ticker an easy afternoon. Please no 2-1s with last-minute scraps in the box.

We deserve it. The team do have a different approach to the game and Frank Lampard has developed a solid base at the back, a working midfield, and just more finish upfront to tick all the boxes.

It's coming on – just make sure it happens today. COYB

Jack Convery
144 Posted 18/09/2022 at 07:51:54
Ref one Michael Oliver. VAR one Mike Dean. You couldn't make it up.

Nevertheless COYBs. We must be at it from the get-go. No rustiness and a clean sheet. UTFT!!

Derek Knox
145 Posted 18/09/2022 at 08:32:46
Tony and others, I was quite happy when I saw the projected team by Lyndon, then got further down to see Oliver was Reffing. Is there a decent Ref out there in the Premier League? And, do they all have a memo, "Don't give Everton anything unless it is 200% undebatable"?

Hope to see as many that can make it to The Bramley Moore after the game, all meeting at the Dixie Dean Statue after the game, and we can share taxis down.

Hope George McKane is reading this too.

Dave Abrahams
146 Posted 18/09/2022 at 08:48:06
Rob Halligan (128 and 129), good advice, Rob — I take it you mean total silence for the 1 minute respect given for the late Queen. 60 seconds, surely everyone can do that today.
Hugh Jenkins
147 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:01:17
To all "Republicans" who would prefer us to have an elected president as head of state, I give you… Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.

God save the King.

Derek Knox
148 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:01:38
Dave A @146,

"60 seconds, surely everyone can do that today."

Not at Mordor they can't. I think it lasted 19 seconds and even then, the vile creatures were shouting and booing before that!

Sorry for mentioning that lot, but it had to be said.

Rob Halligan
149 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:04:05
Haha, Dave, see what you mean there! Silence is Golden and will be impeccably observed for the full 60 seconds this afternoon at Goodison.

Just thinking about songs with Silence in their title… Silence is Golden was sung by The Tremeloes, whilst Sounds of Silence was sung by Simon and Garfunkel. Whatever, there will be total silence this afternoon.

By the way, the missus told me last night that as well as the 70th-minute round of applause for the Queen, there will also be a round of applause at the 34th-minute mark. Is this correct, and if so, who is it for?

Derek Knox
150 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:13:26
Meant to mention before, anyone who wishes to go to The Bramley Moore after, and doesn't know the regular crew, still meet at the Statue (Dixie Dean) and make yourself known to the ugly mob (self-excepted) who will be there.
Stephen Davies
151 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:20:45
Ah yes Hugh... without those pesky Republicans there may never have been a Parliament as we know it today.

This is what you get when you found a political system on the family values of Henry VIII. At a point in the not-too-remote future, the stout heart of Queen Elizabeth II will cease to beat. At that precise moment, her firstborn son will become head of state, head of the armed forces, and head of the Church of England. In strict constitutional terms, this ought not to matter much. The English monarchy, as has been said, reigns but does not rule. From the aesthetic point of view it will matter a bit, because the prospect of a morose bat-eared and chinless man, prematurely aged, and with the most abysmal taste in royal consorts, is a distinctly lowering one.
Christopher Hitchens

John Keating
152 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:33:37
I'm surprised the minute's silence for the Queen has even been mentioned.

Surely it doesn't matter whether you support the monarchy or not. It has to be about decency.

There is a time and place for everything and making a protest about someone at a funeral or a time like today isn't the place or the time.

Would those who support freedom of speech be happy if someone who didn't like your mam or dad turned up at their funeral or wake and spouted off about them? I doubt it.

Danny O’Neill
153 Posted 18/09/2022 at 09:47:42
**British monarchy, Stephen. Sorry for nitpicking.

The crowns of England and Scotland being unified in 1603 and being passed to the Scottish King. French (Norman), Scottish, German. It's rarely been English since 1066!! Maybe the Tudors?

Anyway, I hope we observe and more importantly, bring the 3 points home today.

Tony Dunn
154 Posted 18/09/2022 at 10:15:55
Danny, nitpicking back, I think Stephen was quoting from Christopher Hitchens, not his own words. UTFT
Eddie Dunn
155 Posted 18/09/2022 at 10:24:51
On the subject of the National anthem and our lovely neighbours unable to keep quiet. Isn't it interesting that Phill McNulty, BBC football guru, was at the game and mentioned that there had been some noise but the vast majority of the 55,000 were respectful?

Nuff said BBC. Normally the Beeb cover the YNWA anthem in all of its stage-managed vacuousness, hanging on every note. However, they managed to swerve covering this Anthem because they knew it would give them a conundrum.

How could they continue with their love-in with the Monarchy and their incestuous relationship with that vile club?

Jim Lloyd
156 Posted 18/09/2022 at 10:45:21
John (152) well said!

She's done a job she was born into and done it well. That's what we're remembering, someone who has done a hard job for 70 years. She was our head of state. Whether you don't believe in the monarchy or you do.

I would have thought to pay our respects by keeping silent for a minute would show that we, at the least, have manners.

Rob (125), you said it and it's right. They are a scumbag club from top to bottom, yet get all the praise from the media. I would have thought that our club and us, the supporters, can show them up.

Stephen, it wasn't republicans who gave us a Parliament, we've had a Parliament from aroung 1300. What the Civil War was about was not a republic or a monarchy, it was about an elected Parliament wersus the King's ultimate power. The Parlaiment soon asked another Monarch to come over once Olly lad had died.

Paul Smith
157 Posted 18/09/2022 at 10:46:37
Christopher Hitchens quotes on TW… I've entered the ToffeeWeb Twilight zone the one with the gremlin-type character sabotaging the wing of the plane only it's the stadium at Bramley-Moore DOck and the fucker is dismantling the south stand before it's built.

Bizarre stuff to say the least.

A win for the Blue Boys today. It's long overdue and I'm confident going into this one.

Danny Baily
158 Posted 18/09/2022 at 10:51:29
Eddie 155, BBC R5 broadcast the minute silence at their place in full (although it's sounded like there was some attempt to filter out the noise).
Dave Abrahams
159 Posted 18/09/2022 at 10:56:23
On the subject of what the royal family mean to different people...

On a large building site in the late '70s, two fella' had to be separated after constantly arguing over the merits of having a monarchy or not. After the fight that never happened, they were always referred to as “Oliver” or “ Charlie” after Oliver Cromwell and King Charles 1. Now that there is a “Charlie” on the throne, I hope it doesn't kick off again!!

Mike Gwyer
160 Posted 18/09/2022 at 11:42:22
One thing is for certain: Our RS loving and totally biased BBC will report the smallest of disturbances that occur at Goodison today.

On a personal note I thought Villa's match day programme was touching and a very personal tribute to our late Queen.

Brian Harrison
161 Posted 18/09/2022 at 11:42:41
I am pretty sure our supporters will respect the minute's silence, as all other clubs have done with the exception of one.

Also, if they want the fans to applaud on 70 minutes to mark the length of service, then I hope the ref stops the game at that point; otherwise, it's very difficult to applaud while the game is progressing.

To be honest, I would rather whenever we are asked to respect the passing of a Queen or the likes of Rhys Jones or Olivia Pratt-Corbel, I would prefer it's done before the game rather than during the game.

Also with the game being live on Sky, I think it's even more important that we show that Evertonians know how to respect a minute's silence for whoever it's for.

Jim Lloyd
162 Posted 18/09/2022 at 11:53:51
Danny, I think Henry Twdor was Welsh! :) Harold was our last English King.

Anyway, about Calvert-Lewin. My thoughts about him is that he might be a good centre-forward but he's not what I'd call a "goalscorer".

I mean like Lukaku when he was with us. He could get the goals in the box, or he could run through defences and score, like the Chelsea game at Goodison. Think that was Moshiri's first game. Anyway, he could regularly get between 15 and 20 goals each season.

Mind you, I don't think Richarlison made the chances for him as much as he could have done. I think with the team we've got now, we are looking much more like a "team" and I think we've got players in who can play a much better passing game than we've seen. I think Onana, Gueye and Tom Davies (if he plays) and Iwobi, look much more like a strong midfield who can be defensive and attacking.

Gray and Gordon can either provide crosses, shoot, or do intricate passing moves and create chances for Calvert-Lewin and I think he can return the favour and create chances for others. Then we have two young full-backs who can gallop up and down the wings, adding to our attacking moves.

Then there's McNeil and Garner, so we have a decent-looking squad now. Might take a bit of time to gel but in the derby we made quite a few chances and I can see us making more chances each game now.

I don't see this as a must-win game, as West Ham are a good side. What I hope, and I think, we'll see, is our lads creating many more chances than we have been doing. I thought we could have won the derby with the chances we made; and if we keep making them, then the goals will come.

ps: Brian, I totally agree with your post, it's spot on.

Graeme Beresford
163 Posted 18/09/2022 at 11:58:06
I just hope we can turn up today. Anytime there has ever been a break period, we seem to always start slow and look laboured.

We are unbeaten in 5 now and we have to have a proper go at these today. They will be dangerous as well but really, if we want to do anything this season, these are the teams we need to perform against.

However, Leeds, Brentford, Forest and Villa are the teams we should be beating so it really is up in the air.

As far as a minute's silence goes and the national anthem, let's not have Everton in the media this week for the wrong reasons. If you don't believe it in, keep silent, don't sing, just don't be a bell and bring your club down.

Phil Bickerstaff
164 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:15:30
Calvert-Lewin is a very ordinary player. If he plays today, he will be ineffective as he was last season… apart from 1 game.

We needed a decent striker who can score goals to start the season.

Also drop Iwobi and play Doucouré – a much better player. Simples.

Jerome Shields
165 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:18:46
As Tony Abrahams said, Wet Ham have had two games during the intervening period to Everton having none.

This is a test for Frank's backroom staff. Can they get something out of Finch Farm which is notorious for lapses during football breaks. The repetitive training system hopefully will pay dividends and will have gelled the squad more together.

As for the Queen, I am confident they can do respect at Goodison.

Si Cooper
166 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:24:27
I think the minute's applause during the game as late as 70 minutes will be more problematic than the silence. Just have to hope the players have been instructed to avoid attacking play if they have possession when the minute begins.

Difficult opponents they may be but West Ham have hardly had a storming start to the season and 3 points would be a massive boost for our current tally. Just hope the extra week has been beneficial for the players gelling and the soothing of some bruising and niggles.


Danny Baily
167 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:28:32
Jim 162, this is absolutely a must-win game. If this fixture were held in April we'd be greeting the team bus with flares.

If we're going to stay up, these are the games we'll need to win. Our next winnable match is over a month away.

Colin Glassar
168 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:42:38
Jim 162, I think King Arthur would've been the last king of the Britons (Celts) before the Anglo-Saxons (Harold's lot) invaded.
Raymond Fox
169 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:43:36
Phil, Iwobi is the first name on the sheet, I also like Doucoure but you can't drop Iwobi.

Today's game is hard to call, they need a win as much as we do, so I'm expecting a tight game.

They are a team of experienced Premier League players with a few decent goalscorers so I think we need to score a couple at least if we are to win.

It has a draw written all over it for me, but we have home advantage which I hope will tilt the game in our favour.

Tom Bowers
170 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:44:59
Always worry when a player like DCL comes back from injury.

Could it be too soon or is he always gonna be a sick note after his recent history.

Sure he brings something extra to the attack especially in the air but we really need to see some run of games under his belt to see the team get more goals (and win games).

Today could be a good start but he may just be on the bench.

Jim Lloyd
171 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:46:24
Danny, we might think it's a great let down if we don't win, when we say it's a must win gane. We have another 30 odd games to play; and I can see that our team is only going to get stronger. The wins will come. We could have, perhaps should have won the Derby. we made the chances and except for an idiotic/bent, (take your pick and I favout the latter) decision. Same at Leeds. So I'm not anxious that it's a must win game. To me, it's important how we play.

The must win games to me, are the ones we had to go through at the tale end of last season.

Mind you, I've a feeling that we are good enough to win and we'll win more than we lose this season...starting today, hopefully!

Colin 167. :) :) True enough! ;) Though things weren't helped by his son Mordred turning gangster on him!

Will Mabon
172 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:53:38
Jim, having just looked at the October fixtures, it kind of is a must-win game really, or something close to it...
Danny Baily
173 Posted 18/09/2022 at 12:59:22
Jim 171,

There were a few positive signs in the derby, but not a great deal before that. I've certainly seen nothing to suggest we'll be comfortably clear of relegation this season. We'll need 10 or so wins to stay up, and today is one of the better opportunities to get our first.

Eddie Dunn
174 Posted 18/09/2022 at 13:07:07
Phil @164,

Your comment might have held water a year ago but Iwobi is now playing very well and Doucoure is nothing but a very athletic player who can't pass the ball, which is a pretty basic thing to lack.

Jim Lloyd
175 Posted 18/09/2022 at 13:14:26
Danny 171,

Yes I can understand, but I thought we are showing in the box much more as the season has progressed. I've thought, this season, we would do well to steer clear of relegation and stay clear.

We'll have to wait and see how things pan out; but I'm more confident now than at the start of the Transfer season. I suppose it's as we each look at things but I'll only think more about must-win games as the season is in its second half.

Robert Tressell
176 Posted 18/09/2022 at 13:17:13
But for missing DCL, I think that pedicted line up is the best First XI we've had since the end of the season Silva got us to 8th place.

It's better than the flatter to deceive First XI Ancelotti managed to get to 10th.

We should win this.

Pete Gunby
177 Posted 18/09/2022 at 14:19:50
Every match is winnable Danny

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