Everton 1 - 1 Brighton & Hove Albion

Everton are back at Goodison Park for this weekend's Premier League fixture against Brighton & Hove Albion and a real test to see if Sean Dyche can build on recent good results.

He has most of his players available, but not Seamus Coleman, who turned out for the U21s against Manchester Utd at lunchtime in Leigh for the final stages of his rehabilitation from a serious knee injury.

Sean Dyche continues to show greater trust in the erratic Ashley Young than his young Scottish understudy, Nathan Patterson. And Gana returns in midfield with Onana not even on the bench. 

Sean Dyche confirmed that Amadou Onana misses this afternoon's game due to a tight calf: "Amadou, unfortunately, has been playing with a really tight calf and it’s just been too much for him after Wednesday."

Dominic Calvert-Lewin makes his 6th successive start since overcoming his injury misery. 

Brighton kicked off and kept things pretty tight, denying Everton much of the ball without getting very far. Calvert-Lewin flicked on a deep free-kick from Pickford. McNeil crossed in and it fell for Doucoure but his first-time volley was straight at  Verbruggen.

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Mitoma made his first surge down the left, leaving Tarkowski in his wake. Everton forced a turnover and McNeil got his cross in again, Mykolenko scoring well after first firing straight at Verbruggen before taking a second bite of the cherry, thanks to a deflection off the thigh of Dunk. 

Young did well to keep the ball away from Milner but Brighton continued to hog possession and build with a lot of unadventurous sideways and backwards passing until they drew a questionable foul from Branthwaite.

Dunk fired in a brilliant volley on the run, off the bar, from an excellent deep free-kick delivery. But the VAR review showed how close the offside call was, which it was finally called after a good 3 minutes of deliberation at Stockley Park.

In contrast, Everton were playing long-ball up to Calvert-Lewin, who almost got onto a Brighton backpass. Doucoure did great to fight Dunk for the ball and break down the left, Gilmour booked for his protestations. 

Brighton resumed their passing game, with the Blue shirts chasing shadows at times, its speed and accuracy too good to be defeated by any pressing. But Everton again forced a midfield turnover and Calvert-Lewin was a bit lucky to win a foul from Dunk's body charge as the ball went through to Doucoure who should have scored but the whistle had gone. Garner's attempt flashed over the wall and the bar. 

Milner almost broke the offside trap but Pickford was out quickly to clear. Harrison and Calvert-Lewin got in each other's way in another break as the game became quite stretched. 

Everton tried their version of the passing game, Tarkowski driving through the middle, until the ball was lost and Garner had to defend. More slick Brighton passing ended at the feet of Calvert-Lewin, who stormed all the way upfield only to scuff his poor shot wide of the Brighton goal. 

More dominant Brighton possession failed to penetrate the Everton area through disciplined defensive work but the Blues weren't really using their rare moments on the ball very well, Harrison losing it when double-teamed. 

More crisp Brighton passing eventually saw the ball given away again, and Everton then drew a foul but Pickford's long punt was headed behind by Tarkowski.

McNeil was floored by Veltmann in the corner of the penalty area but the referee waved play on despite a mass of Goodison boos, but Calvert-Lewin may have pushed Veltman into McNeil. Gana was then booked for a foul.

Branthwaite seemed to have picked up a knock and was called for another foul. Brighton finally got forward with more pace, Veltman crossing along the 6-yard line but fortunately no-one else was up with him as the whistle went after 4 added minutes with Everton ahead.

After the restart, Brighton won their first corner which ended with Dunk fouling Gana. More fine Brighton passing ended with a deep cross in to Pickford. 

Tarkowski was drawn into a foul on Gilmour in the Dee with Doucouree tapping his ankles from behind: yellow card. A clever dink over the wall by Dunk into the corner was seen all the way by Pickford. The corner was headed clear but Gana had to clear the ball out of play as Brighton's efforts seemed to step up a notch. 

Everton's competitive effort showed an increase too with McNeil crumbling over a Brighton defender after the ball had been scooped away from him and the Goodison faithful demanded a penalty (no chance).

The vibrant atmosphere showed that the match had entered a critical phase, with Everton's dangerous game plan working so far to frustrate Brighton's obviously better but less effective football.  A really strong Brighton attack was again thwarted by a Tarkowski header away. 

Garner's stretching tackle brought down Mitoma for another Brighton set-piece, Calvert-Lewin collecting the ball and bringing it away skilfully along the left touchline.  

Mitoma skipped past Young, the ball squirming back to Gross who lashed it over. McNeil got forward and Doucoure forced the concession of a corner that was cleared. 

Everton became stretched on a promising attack that was rapidly countered, a real warning as Pedro's shot was blocked and then fired in as a low cross that Pickford gathered. 

Everton attacked again, Harrison feeding McNeil who screwed his shot inches wide. Doucoure was next to surge forward and play in Calvert-Lewin but Dunk was too clever to let him have a sniff as the tempo of the game upped another three notches, a tremendous contest. 

Branthwaite touched Fati as he ran past the big man and he was yellow-carded. The free-kick chipped in but then headed clear by Tarkowski. However, it came back into the Everton area but Mitoma wellied the half-chance high and wide, well off target.  

A deep free-kick from Pickford saw Calvert-Lewin dragged to the ground but no penalty given and Tarkowski's annoyance was seen in his late tackle that earned him a yellow card. 

Brighton attacked again and this time, Mitoma saw his cross deflect up off Young and cruelly over Pickford into the net, what a really jammy goal to level it. 

That left Brighton 5 minutes plus added time to go for the winner they now knew they could get, while Everton, with no subs on the field, would need every ounce of resolve to resist the coming onslaught. 

Still, Everton pushed forward and forced a corner. The ball bobbled goalward into a crowd but did not cross the line. Everton continued to swarm at Brighton, Mykolenko winning another corner. Dyche finally made a change, Beto and Patterson on for Calvert-Lewin and Young as 4 more added minutes were shown.

Tarkowski put his header on target from the corner but it was saved. Then Brighton got forward and Garner had to give up a corner, which was cleared. Brighton continued to get forward, with Mitoma crossing from the wing. 

One last effort from Brighton was again denied but they had done enough to get a point when Everton held all three in their hands for so much of the game but could not hold on to them all at the end of an absorbing contest. 

Everton:  Pickford, Young (90' Patterson), Tarkowski [Y:81'], Branthwaite [Y:78'], Mykolenko, Gana [Y:44'], Garner, Doucoure [Y:54'], Harrison, McNeil, Calvert-Lewin (90' Beto).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Lonergan, Keane, Godfrey, Danjuma, Chermiti, Dobbin

Brighton & Hove Albion: Verbruggen, Veltman, Dunk, van Hecke, Adingra (90' Igor Julio dos Santos de Paulo), Milner (79' Buonanotte), Gilmour [Y:20'] (68' Fati), Mitoma, Gross, Lallana (46' Joao Pedro), Ferguson (68' Dahoud).

Subs not Used: Lamptey, Webster, Baleba, Steele.

Referee: Tim Robinson

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Tony Everan
1 Posted 04/11/2023 at 13:50:33
Everton Manager Sean Dyche recalls Idrissa Gana Gueye and Abdoulaye Doucoure to the starting line up to face Brighton this afternoon in an otherwise unchanged Everton team from the win over Burnley midweek. Amadou Onana misses out
Kev Wood
2 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:05:30
No Onana?
Steve Cotton
3 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:08:01
Onana not even mentioned, it's like he doesn't exist
Michael Kenrick
4 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:09:58
Could be a clear indication of the value of Onana (or otherwise). Will we miss him?

EFC: "with Amadou Onana missing out on the matchday squad" — as if they've got no fucking idea where he is or why he's missing.

What a club!

Tony Everan
5 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:11:09
Rumours that he’s Injured.
Soren Moyer
6 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:11:21
Can't believe Young is still a starter!
James Hughes
7 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:11:39
He's picked bloody Ashley Young again.

Michael Kenrick
8 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:14:49
Let's see what the Echo says about it:

Amadou Onana missing out today is a huge blow for Everton as the midfielder has been superb in recent weeks.

Onana has played a key role in his side's upturn in form and his pace and energy will be sorely missed this afternoon.

Let's hope it's not a bad injury if indeed that's the reason he's out.

So they know narthing.

Michael Kenrick
9 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:16:46
Sean Dyche has confirmed that Amadou Onana misses this afternoon's game due to a tight calf.

He said: "Amadou, unfortunately, has been playing with a really tight calf and it’s just been too much for him after Wednesday."

Derek Knox
10 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:16:58
I can only surmise, for what my two pennies are worth, that Dyche felt we didn't win the ball enough in midfield against Burnley, who luckily enough were not able to turn any possession into any serious goal threats. Other than that, maybe he has a minor injury, picked up after the midweek game or in Training. Which would add credence to him not even being on the bench ! Don't know whether the rain and wet conditions will favour or hinder us !
Derek Knox
11 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:17:07
Alan J Thompson
12 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:19:20
This really is a joke and takes the Old Mates Act too far, Patterson and Onana should, if fit, be starting. I doubt we will see anything played through midfield so it's the long punt with hopefully one of the wingers trying to pick up anything loose. Did Dyche play Onana for a full game against Burnley knowing he had this injury?
Derek Knox
13 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:20:13
Michael @ 9, see you learn something new each day on TW. I didn't even know Onana kept cattle ! :-)
Steve Brown
14 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:22:07
To repeat what the editor posted @ 9, Onana is injured.

Mick Davies
15 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:22:14
Calf issue with Onana
Danny Baily
16 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:24:12
Relieved to hear that it's a minor issue with Onana. COYB!
Rob Hooton
17 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:27:53
Derek, Onana missing might be moosic to Brightons ears.

He’s a big miss for us IMO, he’s been performing better and better. Hope Gueye is fresh and hungry after missing out of late and has a good game.

Not surprised to see Young starting, if he gets an early booking I want him subbed for Patterson asap! Hope he proves us doubters wrong today and gets a goal and assist…

Alan J Thompson
18 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:37:55
Is there some sort of problem as we name two keepers on the bench here, only 4 in the U21s and 6 for the U18s which included 6 new names.
Derek Knox
19 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:40:23
Rob, we will still have to grasp this game by the horns, don't let them bull/y us, no hoofball, and we should be able to milk the rewards ! :-)
Barry Rathbone
20 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:40:49
Gana and Young - the return of the titans - not.
Kieran Kinsella
21 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:46:17
Other than Young the team picks itself. No midfield subs shows our lack of depth. Is Gomes still alive?
Tom Bowers
22 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:46:45
I worry about Bitouma up against weak full backs. He is a dangerous player and has to be controlled.

Brighton can play some good stuff and Everton have to get midfield control which they don't often do.

Gana still doesn't impress me.

Dave Williams
23 Posted 04/11/2023 at 14:51:41
What has happened to Onyango?
Michael Kenrick
24 Posted 04/11/2023 at 15:02:06
I guess Onyango is injured, Dave. He did not play for the U21s today.
Ernie Baywood
25 Posted 04/11/2023 at 15:02:45
We'll definitely miss Onana. Maybe his absence will convince a few people what we have in him.

Young makes zero sense to me. Never has.

Obviously not expecting much of the ball but that's fine. It's what we do with it when we do have it that matters. That midfield doesn't fill me with confidence in that regard.


Phil Smith
26 Posted 04/11/2023 at 15:12:15
Why oh why is Ashley Young starting??? Mitoma is one of the quickest and trickiest players in the league!
Peter Moore
27 Posted 04/11/2023 at 15:13:19
Get in there Myko! COYB 💙
Phil Smith
28 Posted 04/11/2023 at 15:22:09
Sorry but that wasn’t offside. Got away with one there.
Alan J Thompson
29 Posted 04/11/2023 at 16:00:19
A pleasing first half where we certainly put the effort in when not in possession and we saw what can happen when you get men into your opponents penalty area especially the much maligned Mykolenko.

It also appears that we aren't playing the advantage rule in this game as Doucoure should have been allowed to play on not that he scored but there has to be some consistency in the rulings.

I would have been annoyed if that had been our goal disallowed and the quicker the rule goes back to two defenders between you and the goal rather than online then the easier offside decisions should be. Then there was McNeil bring pushed in the back for a penalty which the Ref ignored and then gave them the next two free kicks for exactly the same thing.

Just hope now that Dyche uses his subs well as some of our lads have put a lot into it so far.

Si Cooper
30 Posted 04/11/2023 at 16:19:28
This would be another solid step in the right direction if we can hold onto the 3 points. Brighton have fallen apart a it at the back at times but have a bucketful if offensive ‘weapons’. Manager obviously has his own views on who he can rely on.
Phil Smith
31 Posted 04/11/2023 at 16:49:49
That’s totally on the manager. Young and Harrison should have been off for Patterson and Danjuma 10 minutes ago. Be proactive ffs!!!

89th minute. Pathetic.

Simon Dalzell
32 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:01:07
Young is the new Holgate. Calamity. Why is he even on the pitch. Very negative approach again from Dyche the Dinosaur.
John Charles
33 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:03:28
The worst in game management I have ever seen.
Great effort from the team.
DCL was excellent
Alan J Thompson
34 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:05:15
I thought we came out and sat too far back in the second half and rarely got many men forward. They seemed to play mostly through Mitoma and down our right which eventually paid off. I won't blame Young for the goal but I just don't understand why he positioned himself where he did and left Harrison to deal with their winger. I also don't think much of Dyche's use of the substitutes and I thought he could have put some fresh legs on a lot earlier.

And, as usual, another first class display of inconsistent refereeing of the highest order and a flurry of yellow cards for rather petty reasons.

Disappointing to throw away 2 points on a soft goal.

George Cumiskey
35 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:08:32
Shocking parked the bus after 7 minutes, and how Harrison lasted the whole game is a mystery he was shite, down to the manager that result I'm afraid
Steve Brown
36 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:09:11
I thought Young was excellent today.

Unlike Sean Dyche.

And the goal was down to Pickford.

Gavin Johnson
37 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:15:33
I won't complain too much. I would have taken a draw against Brighton. All that I will say, is that changes should have been made after an hour or so.
Lee Courtliff
38 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:16:13
This time last week most of us would have taken a win away at West Ham, a 3-0 drubbing of Burnley and a point against a very good Brighton team. Let's keep some perspective.

But, I've got to say I've been unimpressed with Jack Harrison! He refuses to release the ball quickly enough and his right foot is as useless as McNeil's. Granted, he does his defensive work very well, hopefully he'll improve with fitness.

As for Dyche and his lack of subs, despite this being our 3rd game in 6 days, is simply something we're going to have to accept. It's what he does and he's very unlikely to change now.

A point away at Palace next week sees us into the international break in decent shape.

Christy Ring
39 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:21:05
Young was unlucky with the own goal, but himself and Harrison, who was poor today, should have been subbed long before the end, Young having played in midweek as well. We definitely missed Onana, and had no midfielder on the bench, still a point is not a disaster.
Dale Self
40 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:27:38
Simon 32, TW will consult one Mike Gaynes to determine the validity of that Holgate slur. I'm betting against.
Christine Foster
41 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:28:36
That game was a disaster waiting to happen. Once again Dyche got the tactics badly wrong. Young may have been unlucky but he shouldn't have been picked anyway. To give nearly 90% possession away at home, as a tactic, is a disgrace. Not to use subs to change it up is another. I'm afraid, as I have said before, parking the bus doesn't win games.. very, very poor game, we were lucky to get a point.
George Cumiskey
42 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:33:36
Spot on Christine.
Andy Walker
43 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:35:28
‘Blues steal a draw from the jaws of victory after massive Brighton effort’

Ludicrous headline. Brighton’s goal was lucky and not a mistake by us. Having said that a draw was a fair result.

At least we’re nowhere near as unlucky as Wolves.

Jim Bennings
44 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:35:53
Having seen the goal back on two different angles, I think Pickford is partly at fault, doesn't react soon enough and goes for it with the wrong hand in my opinion.

But at the end of the day we know you can't play with giving up so much possession and then not expect something, it was much like the Merseyside derby, you can only hold out for so long before something goes against you.

I'd have taken a draw before kickoff but Brighton's defence was there to be got at.

I can't see the point in signing Beto if he's not going to be given longer in games against tiring defenders.

A point is a point but I still can't help but feel that if Dyche was a more proactive manager that we could have had that game in the bag there.

Paul Smith
45 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:36:38
Brighton got what they deserved and so did we. Wasn’t until they equalised that we started being pro active - too little too late. We gave a team who likes to play with the ball, the ball. Harrison was poor and McNeil isn’t the player he was last season. Long term Dyche isn’t the answer but he might get us a season free of a relegation battle. Guess it’s over to 777.
Ed Prytherch
46 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:38:22
A decent point against a good team who dominated the game. We were lucky that Dunk was offside by an inch or so but unlucky to concede with a big deflection. Our lack of depth on the bench is our biggest problem.
Bill Fairfield
47 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:38:24
Alehouse tactics again. Scandalous second half performance. Showed absolutely nothing. Lucky to get a point. Why can’t we play football instead of panicking.
Kieran Kinsella
48 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:39:00
Lack of depth got us we had no midfield replacements to bring on. I don’t think defending is Pattersons forte so not convinced he’d have made a difference. Hard fought game against a good team. Fair result.
Steve Brown
49 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:39:48
Everton boss Sean Dyche speaking to Match of the Day: "I'm delighted. Three games in six days, the work ethic is good, we are tactically very good and improving all the time. It is a blow to concede; we kept them quiet.”


Pete Clarke
50 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:41:14
If we judged that game on effort then every player would get 10 out of 10 but if we judged it on technical ability our players would only get 5 if they’re lucky and the manager less because we’re we’re playing very high risk chasing around in the second half with few players capable of passing or keeping the ball and also a few on yellow cards. Have to applaud what de Zerbi is doing at Brighton.
We still had the better chances in the game though and for that reason I think it’s two points dropped.
Jim Bennings
51 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:41:41
The type of player we miss is what Brighton had today.

We need a Mitomo, a creative busy quick footed player with a footballing brain.

We've got a lot of hard graft players right across the team no complaining there, but we still haven't got a classy creative source.

Jason Li
52 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:44:33
Two deflected goals.

Defensively sound again, missed Onana.

Need another right winger in January who can do exactly what Mitoma does and keep the ball in the other half leading to end product. Be good for the squad to have a very good right-winger who can go down the line and put the ball in.

Or at the minimum play a simple pass inside or to Calvert-Lewin to keep the ball moving for us in the other half. Jack is definitely a good addition, but would be nice to have an alternative for Dyche when need to try something different.

Dale Self
53 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:45:25
Hey how about that unbeaten streak. Unbeaten streeeeeak. How long has it been since you could say that from your jaws?


Mick O'Malley
54 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:46:05
Agreed, Jim, I'd kill for a Pienaar type player.

I'd have taken 1-1 before the game but taking the lead then conceding possession, and a fluke… I'm a bit disappointed tonight UTFT!!

Tony Abrahams
55 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:47:04
The worst in-game management I've ever seen was when Martinez took off a midfielder and put on another forward when 10-men Everton were trying to protect a 2-goal lead.

I surprisingly enjoyed the game, and looked back to how Brighton totally dismantled us about 9 months ago, to see that Everton have begun to make slow progress.

We worked very hard but lacked a little bit of quality, and although I'd like to see Everton have more possession and be a lot more expansive, I'm definitely happy to see players working for the shirt, and even happier to see some green shoots developing, with regards us finally becoming a team which fights for each other.

Ryan Holroyd
56 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:47:52
Fairly happy with that. 4 points and a cup win in a week. Last season we got smashed 1-4 by Brighton so we're improving based on that.

Badly missed Onana today and his composure on the ball.

The team is improving and that's not a bad thing.

John Raftery
57 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:49:14
Excellent point at the end of a very good week. We would all have taken progress in the League Cup and four points. The effort from the players was unstinting with some running on empty by the end of today’s game.

It took a wicked deflection to breach our rearguard but arguably Brighton deserved something from the game even though they had very few shots from all their possession.

George Cumiskey
58 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:50:21
Just looked at our December fixtures:

8 games… can that be right?

Joe McMahon
59 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:50:40
I just wish he'd manage the use of subs proactively in a game, when it's not working or players are knackered.

But I know it's never going to happen. Dyche is way too cautious and stuck in his ways.

Michael Lynch
60 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:51:39
Great out of possession, not so good in possession, but overall I thought we were unlucky not to hang on for the 3 points against a talented and well-managed Brighton.

Unlike others, I thought Dyche got it right today. Pinch a goal then smother them. Despite all their ability and possession, Brighton hardly troubled us today. In fact, we had better chances and should have had at least one penalty.

Great performance and a useful point against a top side.

Pat Kelly
61 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:52:02
Football as we knew it won't return while Dyche is in charge. He's a one-trick pony. So we just have to put up with it for a few years.
Bill Gienapp
62 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:52:26
Frustrating to concede late and squander a priceless 3 points, but I can live with a draw under the circumstances.

We executed our gameplan reasonably well, but conceding that much possession, barely holding onto the ball for more than 2 seconds, and remaining under defensive pressure virtually the entire second half... it's a grueling watch. Not fun.

Jack Convery
63 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:53:34
Good week overall – 4 pts from a couple of tough-looking games we lost last season very easily.

Into a Quarterfinal in the League Cup after a 3-nil victory.

With Palace up next. EFC should look at their record against the bottom clubs. Results are against each other so far.

Palace PL 5 W 3 D 2 L 0 = 11
Fulham PL 4 W 3 D 1 L 0 = 10
Wolves PL 5 W 2 D 1 L 2 = 7
Forest PL 4 W 1 D 3 L 0 = 6
Luton PL 5 W 1 D 2 L 2 = 5
Burnley PL 4 W 1 D 1 L 2 = 4
Everton PL 5 W 1 D 1 L 3 = 4
Sheff U PL 5 W 1 D 1 L 3 = 4
B'mouth PL 3 W 1 D 0 L 2 = 3.

Ralph Basnett
64 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:56:15
Sean Dyche and his insistence on late subs cost us again.

Mitoma was getting the better of Young, Harrison did nothing all game so it may have made sense to introduce Patterson and take off Harrison, moving Young up the park.

Beto for Calvert-Lewin once again shows no imagination and does not make the opposition think as they are marking the same style of player, just less mobile.

It was a good performance up to 75 minutes when subs should have been made.

Will Mabon
65 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:56:41
I agree, Christine @ 41,

By the time we scored, we could have been 2 or 3 up, we were attacking them well. A stark contrast after our goal.

Then, after their equalizer, we attack again. If it's so much about not losing at all cost, then why did we attack again so late after conceding?

I agree with some of what Dyche is doing and it's delivering what's been needed and is needed currently. However, the ceding possession and parking the bus thing goes too far.

Dyche is a point-per-game average, survive with 38 guy as his default. I wonder to what degree he will ever break that mould, even when we are better placed?

Dale Self
66 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:57:23
I knew it, Pat. The return of the Carlo Wars is on.

This was actually close to a masterclass but for that deflection. It is ugly but given our situation and that it was DeZerbi this had much to offer.

Closing games down and conserving fitness will drive some fans to being ex-fans but it is absolutely the most sensible approach. If made to work in a fashion that keeps us around midtable so be it.

Martin Farrington
67 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:57:44
I disagree with Michael's heading. The full stop should be placed after "draw". That sums it up.

Thank god Brighton have no dreaded talisman up front.
Dunk will rightly be cursing his misfortune at both ends.
Yet again a weak absent centre midfield rarely supported by a very poor Harrison (whom I really don't rate - wide) and a Frank Lampard McNeil display.

Calvert-Lewin can win everything he wants in the air, Doucoure is mainly nowhere near him. Something Brighton cottoned on to in the 2nd half.

Marking from set plays is still atrocious, leaving the opposite side from the ball with opposition players a plenty and one of ours. Generally the smallest. As when Gueye was marking Dunk and when Garner wasn't.

Thank heavens for Branthwaite. If he had left this summer, we would be bottom three. I can't figure out Ashley Young at right back. Easier to solve quantum physics. Maybe the only excuse is the players have become terrified of Goodison.
The silent fans with huge expectations.

The Goodison roar undoubtedly wakes them and shakes them into something. Terrible. Timid. Talentless. Trash. Never press the replay button on this one.

Jerome Shields
68 Posted 04/11/2023 at 17:57:50
Although Everton played well, the weakness of not preventing Brighton's defensive line push up, prevented Everton from getting a win. A pushed-up defensive line compacts midfield, provides support to the attack, and breaks up any counter-attacks.

Not being able to prevent this push results from the centre-forward not being able to lead the line, providing a threat. The centre-forward coming deep as a result of having no joy, exasperates the problem. Dyche's mistake was playing Calvert-Lewin during the week and not resting him for the Saturday fixture.

What was the point of bringing on Beto and Patterson in the 90th minute and allowing Brighton to make 4 tactical substitutions in the second half without reply before the 80th minute?

But getting a point is very welcome.

Dave Williams
69 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:03:09
For heaven's sake, give the man a break! He didn't have a midfielder on the bench which is where we needed fresh legs.

To get a point against them without Onana and without a substitute midfielder is a decent result.

Dyche is getting more from the players now – look at how players have improved – and he must be allowed to do things his way until better players arrive.

Pat Kelly
70 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:03:16
Yes, Dale, it was a masterclass in ugly.
George Cumiskey
71 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:05:33
Someone on ToffeeWeb today said it looks like it will be hoof football today, how right he was.
Andy Crooks
72 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:08:54
Pat, @ 61,

So, up until Dyche came, we've been playing good football? When he goes, it will start again?

Seriously, you mean that? Anyway, what's your answer?
"Football as we knew it" … When???

Bernard Dooley
73 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:13:51
To compound our disappointment at their late equaliser, Branthwaite, our player of the season, has now moved on to 4 yellows.

I can't imagine Keane in his place in the back four. Tarkowski is now on 3, so I hope Dyche is making plans for having to change things at the back.

Rob Dolby
74 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:15:33
I think if we had some quality on the bench Dyche would have used it.

The squad isn't very strong. We have a difficult to beat starting 11 and not much else.

Be interesting to read what subs he should have made.

My only criticism today is the lack of composure when we did nick the ball off them. For all of their possession, I don't recall Pickford having too much to do.

Some big performances from Calvert-Lewin, Tarkowski and Garner. Always frustrating conceding late on but a draw was probably about right.

We have made progress with a very limited squad.

Pat Kelly
75 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:17:53
Andy, we will continue to have negative, park the bus, football as long as Dyche is in charge. That’s all he knows. The leopard doesn’t change his spots.
David Peate
76 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:20:32
What a game! Everton – 15 fouls; 20% possession; four yellow cards; 1 goal scored; 1 goal given away; and all at home!

What a farce!

George Cumiskey
77 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:20:55
One of the big problems we have is we haven't got any wingers with any pace so we've got no out ball when we're under pressure.
Dale Self
78 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:22:46
Pat 70, agreed. I'm not going to get teary-eyed about some long-lost way of free-flowing fairy-blessed football. We got stuff to do and a limited squad.

When we are within European striking distance, maybe I will feel a little guilty but overall I think the Guardiola game is giving way. It will be more about physicality and controlling midfield space than nutmegs and tiki-taka.

And I think the phrase is 'Park the Carlo'.

Sam Hoare
79 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:29:51
We got 4 points this week against decent teams above us and got into the quarters of the cup.

Year some are grumbling because we’re not playing pretty football!!

Last year Brighton absolutely destroyed us at Goodison and this year they needed a very fortuitous late goal to get a point.

This was not a ‘hanging on’ performance. Brighton created almost nothing. In fact their xG (for those who care) was only 0.5 which is their third lowest ever under De Zerbi.

Dyche has undoubtedly made progress with us. We almost got relegated the last two seasons, I couldn’t care less if it’s ugly at this point.

Ian Riley
80 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:31:57
Good point against a very good side.

We know Dyche's style of football and squad we have. We must hold tight. Mid-table come may is fine by me and a semi-final or better is a bonus.

Playing good football previous to Dyche? I must have missed those seasons.

Graham Mockford
81 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:33:48
I said earlier this week we lack a creative spark but overall another fully committed display.

Young played well, only really got done once in 80 minutes which is exactly as many times as Patterson in 10 minutes. Mitoma is one of the best wide players in the Premier League.

Branthwaite had Ferguson in his pocket. He was too physical for him.

Harrison did very little other than working hard but was wasteful in possession and didn't close well enough for the goal.

All-in-all, we continue to be competitive.

Ian Edwards
82 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:35:21
Midtable Brighton without a win in their last 5 league games turn up at Goodison and we treat them like prime Barcelona.

Sit behind the ball and let the mediocre opposition have all the play was a masterclass in tactical cowardice from a Neanderthal Manager who needs a sharp reminder that he's not managing Burnley.

If he bends over for Brighton like that how is it going to be against Man Utd next home game.

Have we as a club reached such depths that we are shit scared of Brighton at home? Or is Dyche just a knob?

Pat Kelly
83 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:35:23
‘We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars’
Dale Self
84 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:38:02
That’s the lamppost Pat. We are just going toward the light. We will get home.
John Atkins
85 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:38:05
Not great today, lucky to get a point but they were there for the taking.

On a positive note, and without tempting fate, I can't see the bottom 3 getting more than 20 - 25 points.

Even with a points deduction … 40 could be enough.

However, I don't think we'll get any deduction.

Christine Foster
86 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:38:46
Sam, 79# no one is asking for "pretty football" but to give 80/90% possession away, at home and try to defend a one goal lead for 90 minutes is asking for trouble. Its leaving too much to chance, personally if we were two up I would have been happier at the tactic, but a solitary goal and a total surrender of possession is tactical suicide. Have we won a single game this season adopting the same tactics?

Remember the old adage, the best form of defence is attack?

Fluke goals happen when you pack your own penalty box, its a law of averages thing.. but to sit back and let them dictate against an average side at home? On the balance of play we were lucky to get a point.

I have said it before.. front foot football..let them worry about you.. too much respect at home..

Pat Kelly
87 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:41:53
Yes, Dale, home is a draw all right.
Brendan McLaughlin
88 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:43:15
Indeed, Pat #83,

And Sean Dyche may very well not be the man to take us to the stars but he'll sure as hell put us on an upward trajectory at the very least.

Tony Everan
89 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:44:51
We contained them for the most part, kept them at arms length. In the end we were a bit unlucky not to have held on for a (well described above) ugly win. Gana did okay today doing his fire-fighting and contributed to frustrating Brighton.

If Onana played, maybe we would have had more composure in midfield and retained possession better, and relieved pressure; we'll never know. Probably would've been the same result regardless.

I would like to see a midfielder signed in January, it's an area of the squad we need to be stronger.

Jay Harris
90 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:46:32
We only drew that game because of a very lucky deflection.

I wonder if some of the comments would have been made of we won 1-0.

I don't particularly like the fact we can't seem to hold on to the ball for any length of time but I'm happy to be patient and hope we end up further up the table with about £3 million a place – if we improve by 6 or 7 places, it could be worth £20M more into the kitty.

Paul Tran
91 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:47:55
We defended very well, counter-attacked poorly. Missed Onana. Could have withdrawn the tiring McNeil and ineffective Harrison and given Danjuma or Dobbin a go.

It only seems like a couple of weeks ago that people were saying it's about points not performances. Now we're getting the points, it's switched around. Funny that.

It's been a good week in my book.

Sam Hoare
92 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:56:31
Christine @86, I'm afraid I couldn't disagree more.

Possession in and of itself is a pretty meaningless statistic. The fact is they were doing nothing with their possession because we were so well organised. It took a massive fluke for them to score and Pickford barely made a save.

If this was a match where they were peppering our goal, you'd have a point but it really wasn't. Even when ceding possession, we were probably creating the better chances and had more shots.

Dyche's record when ahead at Everton is pretty strong, so clearly it's a tactic that has worked okay till today.

Seems pretty clear we were ‘unlucky' to get a point. We had more shots, more shots on goal, and every xG model I've seen has us winning. They needed a massive slice of luck to equalise.

Dave Abrahams
93 Posted 04/11/2023 at 18:59:31
Dyche played the way we did because playing defensive and breaking out was the one way we could get something from this game.

When you play rope-a-dope and absorb the punishment, you have to come off the ropes now and again and attack. I thought we stayed on the ropes too much, far too much, and it seemed inevitable that a goal would come for Brighton.

I thought Young had a good game and there was no doubting the effort from most of the players but it was too much a one-way street with us retreating and making it a freeway for Brighton.

A draw was welcome and I thought Brighton deserved all three so not the end of the world, just playing at home we need to be more aggressive going forward.

Danny Baily
94 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:01:18
Disappointed we didn't hang on for the win, but no complaints about the game plan. Wins are the real currency down at the bottom, so protecting a one-goal lead makes sense.

Draws like this will mean 6 or so wins from here will be enough. Another pleasant surprise on the road next time out would make all the difference, considering the fixtures we have coming up.

Joe McMahon
95 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:01:58
Christine @86,

I 100% agree.

Ray Robinson
96 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:06:39
Giving Dyche stick for adopting Neanderthal tactics against Brighton? Is that the same Dyche who won 5-1 against Brighton a few months ago?

How about criticising the players for not retaining the ball? And give Brighton some credit for being a very good team.

One thing I would criticise Dyche for is taking Calvert-Lewin off just as we were about to take a corner. I couldn't make any sense of that.

Andy Crooks
97 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:07:08
Ian @82,

I thought you'd huffed off this forum? What, or who enticed you back?

Good to see you haven't changed…

Bill Griffiths
98 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:08:02
I agree with you, Sam. I thought we controlled them well.

Sometimes I am nervous when we concede so much possession but I felt pretty calm today as Brighton created practically nothing all game.

Also can't believe some idiots are blaming Pickford for the goal.

Mark Ryan
99 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:11:35
It's underwhelming to be 11 games in with 11 points on the board.

Today was 2 points lost. We simply let them have the ball and hung on and hung on. I wish Dyche would sometimes just go for the jugular.

We are stagnating when actually there seems to be a lot of positivity amongst the players. He needs to let them off the lead sometimes.

Graham Mockford
100 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:12:14
Dave #93

Have to disagree. Sure Brighton had tons of possession but they created very little.

One free-kick well saved by Jordan and a lucky deflection.

I haven't seen the shots on target stat but there won't be much in it.

Draw was a fair result.

David Stranack
101 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:12:21
Football supporters are sooo fickle, man, or I could just say some of the posters on here are an absolute shower of moaning barstools!

After watching the match, yes there was obviously some downsides like lacking a creative spark, the lack of subs to mix it up etc... but fuck me – we drew against a very well organised, and upwardly mobile team.

Just 2 months ago and going back 2 years easy (bar us randomly twatting them end of last season), they would have easily tonked us under the Fat Spanish Gobshite, and also Fat Frank.

The team to a man put a right shift in, and should be applauded for their efforts. Yes, we lacked in some key areas, and yes, giving an away team (at home) that kind of possession is criminal on paper, although I'd say they took it rather than it was given. I think the whole team did very, very well today, as did the supporters.

And let's not forget that the deflection was absolutely wicked and without that I think we'd've got the 1-0 win, +the referee again was absolutely shite + we didn't have (statistically) our best midfielder playing today.

And given we've not got a large quality squad, and we've recently played a shit load of games, which we've won a few of, we still put a very organised shift in, and applied maximum effort throughout the game today until the 94th minute. What more can we reasonably ask for at this time? I think we should actually be happy for once, considering the shite we've all had thrown at us in recent years.

Green shoots, people, green shoots!

As Paul Tran [91] said, a good week, in fact a very good week... for Everton of old!

Jim Bennings
102 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:13:17
Bill @98,

Pickford has been very good for a few years now, the consistency is there.

However, he was partly at fault when the ball goes in the centre of the goal, regardless of what you think the idiots say.

George Cumiskey
103 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:23:53
Christine spot on again, it's fine to play defensive football when you've got pacey wingers to find and get you up the pitch but sadly we haven't got any.
Kieran Kinsella
104 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:26:17

I think the team was a bit knackered. Brighton had the week off while we played midweek. They also were able to bring in five good subs.

There were no midfielders on our bench which is where we needed fresh legs and no one in any position who has proven to be decent yet. If we could have brought on decent subs for 3 midfielders on the hour mark, I think we could have hung up

Kim Vivian
105 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:28:34
David Stranack (101) - not a name I've seen here before (or maybe I've just missed it) - but I hope with a name like that you're typing from an island somewhere like in the Outer Hebrides, using wind powered wifi, face painted blue and hair blowing like a pennant.

Great post.

.... but we did give them too much ball, + the subs, or lack of them, do my head in.

Ian Edwards
106 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:34:41
Bill @98.

Pickford clearly at fault for the goal. That ball was in the air a long time and he never adjusted his feet or position and then it went over his head. He badly misjudged the flight and his position.

Andy @97.

I sacked off the forum for a few weeks after that unpoliced toxic day when regular posters were abused without being stopped.

Graham Mockford
107 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:39:32
Ian #106,

I was tempted to compose a longer post but I settled for…


Kim Vivian
108 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:43:01
Would it not be fair to say that for every goal scored anywhere the goalkeeper can be at least partly blamed?

It was a jammy deflection earned, not least of all by Brighton's ridiculous possession stat.

Time to move on. Enjoy the week.

Paul Birmingham
110 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:44:00
A good point all considered, against a very good footballing team.

It's not good for the blood pressure, especially in the 2nd half, but in the end a fluke equaliser got Brighton a point, which they earned, and they could perhaps have taken all 3.

But it's been a good week, and a good point for Everton.

Brian Wilkinson
111 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:48:52
I thought we had a good game plan and for large parts of the game, Brighton never threatened our final third.

A lot has been said about Ashley Young but I thought he had a decent game. The problem with both Young and Patterson is they are playing narrow to Dyche's game plan, this is leaving wide areas unmarked and invites their wide men to cut in and try and draw a foul or a penalty.

Mykolenko on the other hand comes in, but seems to know when to push out wide. Mykolenko has been playing out of his skin these past few games and hardly anything gets past him these days.

Defensively we look solid but, if you look at a lot of games this season at home, we have been done time and again with defending narrow and giving the opposition way too much space out wide, allowing them to cut in, with our players scared to put a tackle in once they dribble inside the penalty area bye line. The tactics are making our right-backs look poor, but they are only playing to the style they have been told to play, whether that is Young or Patterson.

On the whole, I thought we played okay today, three games in a week, with some tired legs, could have been addressed much earlier with fresh legs, but apart from a fluke, we more than held our own.

One thing we need to get smarter at is like all the top teams do, if there is a dubious decision, possible penalty, they either get one of their players to go down injured, or kick the ball out of play, to stop play; we on the other hand continue to play on.

Tarkowski is the only time I have seen us do something to stop play. Not rocket science, as soon as a possible penalty, hoof the ball into the stand to give the ref those couple of seconds thinking time. If we keep knocking the ball about, the ref will continue to keep up with play.

Graham Mockford
112 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:52:45
Brian #111

Completely agree about Mykolenko. Definitely the most improved player in the squad.

Maybe it helps having a manager who encourages you to play to your strengths.

Ian Edwards
113 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:55:32
Graham and Bobby,

Pickford was rooted to the spot. Peter Schmeichal has blamed Pickford. Schmeichal knows what he's talking about and is correct.

Graham Mockford
114 Posted 04/11/2023 at 19:57:50
Ian #113,


Mark Murphy
115 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:00:36
Schmeichal wouldn’t have saved that.
Nev wouldn’t have saved that and Nev was the best in the world.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
116 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:01:57
10 shots to their 7. 4 on target to their 2.
Don't care if they had the ball 80% of the time.
Remember the Rumble in the Jungle??

We are averaging almost 15 shots a game with 5 per game on target. I would rather that than 80% possession and no shots on goal.

We are now 3 points better than the same fixtures last season. That makes us the 4th most improved team in terms of points. It also, assuming the same results as last year for the rest of the season, puts us 15th and 7 points clear of relegation.

And a thought – Seamus back at the end of November. Straight back into the team? If Harrison is not delivering what we expected (and he will 27 by then – so will he ever?) then Patterson at right-midfield and Seamus at right-back?

Oliver Molloy
117 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:03:54
Brighton are well ahead of us in player recruitment and they have been mixing it at the top of the league for a few seasons now.

We didn't do enough to win the game. Dyche will always be happy to defend a one-nil lead.

My moan is Young – up against the likes of Mitoma, he is a liability… he's not fucking Maldini so the 'experience' explanation doesn't cut it for me.

80% vs 20% possession stats at home is a fucking awful stat at home, although I appreciate it is the game we play.

Danny O’Neill
118 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:08:37
On my way back. I'll say more in the morning with my usial overly emotional report.

I left the house at 7:30 am this morning and will hopefully get home by 10 pm to catch the highlights. I think I am near Milton Keynes right now and have to get across London once I hit Euston.

Sleep tight blues. I will be doing so with the dogs tonight.

Great to be in the homeland and in The Brick. I'll upload.

Free Brian Murray!

Gutted when that equaliser went in. But we didn't lose.

Will Mabon
119 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:08:55
Harrison looks completely different than at Leeds a couple of seasons back.

Not simply worse or off form, but nothing like the same player. It will take a big improvement.

Ian Edwards
120 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:19:12

If you think that was acceptable goalkeeping, then I worry for you.

Rob Halligan
121 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:23:55
I've never ever seen a team have so much possession, and create fuck all. Their goalkeeper was the busier of the two by far.

It took a jammy deflection to get their equaliser, a deflection that Pickford had no chance of getting. We were, honestly, quite comfortable throughout the game, despite their possession, and so it definitely does feel like 2 points lost.

My only gripe (so far), is why on earth didn't Dyche make any substitutions a lot earlier than he did? One or two of our players were almost on their knees; a couple of changes and we could have seen the game out.

Paul Ferry
122 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:26:49
I think the vast majority of us who agree with Graham Ian worry for you. And who is this Peter Schmeichal fella?
Paul Ferry
123 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:28:22
'A deflection that Pickford had no chance of getting'.

Spot on about subs, Rob. Harrison was begging to be subbed.

Rob Halligan
124 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:29:28
Well, I've just watched the 2-minute highlights on the Everton website, and Pickford had no chance of saving their goal.
Graham Mockford
125 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:32:46
Ian #121,


Brent Stephens
126 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:33:27
Clearly a deflection and clearly no chance for Pickford.
Ray Roche
127 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:35:18
Ian @106

“he never adjusted his feet or position”

So, that's what you would have done, eh?

Yeah. Right.

Barry Rathbone
128 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:39:25
Couldn't fathom Young's position for their goal, standing there like one of Lewis's mannequins marking thin air.

Fortune favours the brave apparently and standing off after being skinned earlier isn't the bravest thing I've seen on a footy pitch. Little wonder the footballing gods punished him with a deflected own-goal.

Stuff like that registers with players, they compensate to cover weakness, and it impacts their own game. I imagine Harrison thought "Thanks for the support, soft lad".

Pointless having experience if people are running past you for fun.

Robert Tressell
129 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:39:29
Frustrating not to get the deserved win. Lot of room for improvement still but we're becoming a good team again.

I too felt Pickford looked a bit flat-footed trying to get off the ground for the deflected goal. But I wouldn't call it a goalkeeper error as such – more a case of being unable to pull off a great save (from a ball which suddenly comes at him with a weird trajectory).

Paul Ferry
130 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:45:11
Why does Ian Edwards nearly always take up a minority position - more often than not of one - that is picked apart by wiser heads but he will cling to it regardless, no matter what, and then starts crying about being "abused" with as much truth as that headlock.
Danny O’Neill
131 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:46:54

I'm not even back in Central London, but my Originals banner has been loud and proud and attracting attention on the train surrounded by Brighton supporters.

1878 The Originals.

Ian Edwards
132 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:47:13

I haven't said I was abused and I haven't taken up a minority position. Many people agree Pickford was at fault – including fans, pundits and a Goalkeeping legend.

But let's ignore them and all agree Paul Ferry is right for once. Which makes a change.

Rob Halligan
133 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:51:03
Nice one, Danny!

Get a photo or two.

Tony Everan
134 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:53:53
Ridiculous to blame Pickford, he's watching the cross, he's ready to react to the trajectory of the ball across the goal whilst at the same time thinking he may go for he near post.

At pace the ball ricocheted off Young's knee and loops over him, no keeper would have the reaction time to accommodate that freak occurrence.

Ray Roche
135 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:53:54
And many people think that a deflection was unfortunately unstoppable but let's believe the pundits. Paid to be controversial.

Oh, and many people disagree that Pickford was at fault but let's ignore them and go with the negative narrative.

Paul Ferry
136 Posted 04/11/2023 at 20:59:45
Not Paul Ferry, Ian, just about everyone on here except for you, which, as I pointed out, more often than not, happens.

You always duck and dodge, Ian, so here's a question for you: name and quote two pundits who say that Pickford was at fault for that goal. It's not worth asking, to be honest, but at least it lets us all know how you operate.

Free the Edwards One!

Graham Mockford
137 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:00:23
Ian #123,


Dale Self
138 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:00:38
I can't explain the wait to sub other than Dyche having confidence the defensive assignments would last BHA out. It looked likely.

On another note, isn't Dyche getting a lack of appreciation in that he produced better chances with 20% possession?

Tony Abrahams
139 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:06:29
Will @119,

I think Harrison looks a different player from his Leeds days because of the job he his currently being asked to do, mate, so I think Brian's description @111, makes a lot of sense, imo.

Someone said today that they could see a bit of a comparison with Joe Royle's Dogs of War, and I thought that was a fair assessment, although I think we lack a bit of creative craft out wide.

I really appreciated our work rate today, Dale, because when you get a team running hard doing the dirty work, I really think it helps to develop team spirit, but sometimes I think we try and defend a lead a little bit too much, especially when the players can now create chances.

Christy Ring
140 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:15:55
I looked at the goal again.

Ian, you're not a Pickford fan, but the deflection left him in no man's land, he hadn't a hope of saving it.

Stan Grace
141 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:17:41
Peter Schmeichel was a very good keeper, but prone to occasional errors. Doesn't mean his keeping was unacceptable.

I rate Pickford and though I agree that he could have positioned himself differently, the things he does really well far outnumber the errors.

Don Alexander
142 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:20:10
Having watched the match, the only thing Jordan can be criticised for is not being 6'-6".

Hopefully very soon the squad will realise that they have license to risk shooting from outside the box. Most teams that do it seem to get a worthwhile return.

Mike Doyle
143 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:31:24
Tony #139,

I agree with you re the Dogs of War comparison. I recall being told that John Ebrell had to change his natural game in order to fit the playing style Joe Royle wanted and I think both Harrison and McNeil are being asked to change theirs.

On Radio Merseyside's post-match programme, Barry Horne was making a similar point and praised Harrison for the job he did in protecting the right flank.

Derek Knox
144 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:40:01
I almost have the feeling that we lost today. Had it been an away game, a point wouldn't be so bad, but having held the lead for so long, it comes as a blow. I can't blame Ashley Young either, or Pickford, even though I am no great admirer of Young.

He did what he was supposed to do, and prevented a cross from Mitoma, the fact it deflected as it did, and eluded Pickford too (he probably thought it was going over for a corner) is just one of those unfortunate things that happen and almost unpredictable.

What did annoy me was that we played a very risky home game plan, allowing them the lion's share for most of the game and countering which, up to and just after half-time, worked but needed a different approach for the last half-hour.

Why does Dyche leave subs far too late? I appreciate that Brighton have some decent players, so give them something different to think about, not carry on almost 'backs to the wall' hoping the one-goal advantage would see us through.

I am never comfortable in any game with only a one-goal lead, especially like today when we scored early doors. Well done, Mykolenko, you are developing into a decent left-back/wing-back.

What was Beto going to achieve in the little time he had to seal the 3 points? We did have a few chances, although slim, to put the game to bed, but again wayward shooting never produces goals.

Away to Palace next, another game that won't be easy, but we seem to be playing better away than at home!

Robert Tressell
145 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:41:00
Tony, there's definitely similarities with Royle's side. Indeed Dyche's work with Burnley is not unlike what Royle did with Oldham.

Proper team structure, lots of hard work, and a team that is better than the sum of its parts.

We could just do with Kanchelskis and Limpar – although Harrison and Danjuma may yet make a telling contribution (just as Mykolenko has improved beyond all recognition this season).

Oliver Molloy
146 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:42:21
Tell you what: having watched their deflected goal, I think it would be fair to say that Pickford definitely is somewhat hesitant in jumping – he gets up too late, which is why he doesn't save it.

When you watch the slow motion, it's like he is in a time warp – a few inches taller and he would have saved that… or maybe he wouldn't have!

Mike Gaynes
147 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:46:16
Nobody has a higher opinion of Patterson than I do, but he isn't ready for Mitoma one-on-one. Young had a surprisingly excellent game. Was beaten only once off the dribble by one of the best wide attackers in the league and was positioned exactly where he should have been for that cross. Horrific luck was to blame, not Young.

And blaming Pickford is ludicrous. He was leaning forward to react to a low cross and no keeper on earth could have prevented that diabolical looping deflection from going in. Bollocks indeed, Ian.

Sam #92, I'm with you. I love stats myself, but IMO possession percentage is the most ridiculously overrated stat in the game.

Brian Wilkinson
148 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:49:28
I have read many posts over the years but blaming Pickford for a bizarre deflected goal, that took the ball in a completely different speed and direction, is a new one on me.

Even if, for whatever logic you could come up with to lay Pickford at fault, I am scratching my head on that one. What I would say is have a look at the free kick Brighton got earlier, it takes a deflection and Pickford makes one hell of a save, to push it over for a corner.

Look at the Anfield derby, Pickford pulls off one hell of a save late on, to push the shot over the bar, left helpless on the late second counter-attack.

Pickford has pulled out some unbelievable saves this season, seems more commanding now with Branthwaite and Tarkowski in front of him. Even if he was at fault – which in my opinion he was not – he has kept us in a lot of games this season.

No way am I putting Pickford at fault for that goal.

Tony Abrahams
149 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:51:08
I enjoyed listening to one caller, who Horne mostly agreed with, Mike. It was interesting that someone was telling me at half-time that Dyche has tweaked something in training, and believes it has begun to help the squad.

He couldn't tell me what it was that had been tweaked, but I've just seen a cracking little interview between Dyche and Andy Gray, with Dyche saying he had a really interesting conversation with Dele Alli, not so long ago on the training ground.

Alli had picked up what the manager had meant when he was talking about playing direct football, and explained to Dyche that he thinks the players might have been misreading him.

After listening to that interview, I thought the tweaks might have had something to do with the conversation I had heard earlier today. It was also nice to hear Dyche explain that Alli was in a very good place and, because he had similar conversations with Pochetino, he was aware of what the manager meant when he talks about being direct.

Dave Evans
151 Posted 04/11/2023 at 21:56:09
Some fans have short memories. Dyche has stopped us from being the most fragile team in the Premier League.

If we could acquire or develop better ball players and retainers in midfield, I think we would become a really decent side with the more proactive approach that people are calling for.

We missed Onana. Garner and Harrison need to improve. I hope they are able to.

John Raftery
152 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:00:58
In the circumstances, I am very happy with today's performance and result. While losing 2 points late in the game is disappointing, I felt today's game was always going to be a huge test for a small squad playing its third game in less than a week. Brighton, who had a full week to prepare, looked a fresher, more energetic team with all five substitutions used.

As Onana was limping before he was replaced on Wednesday, it was no surprise he had not recovered in time for today. He was missed. Dyche is short of options on the bench. There were none for any of the midfield positions today.

He might have brought Beto on for Calvert-Lewin earlier but Beto has yet to convince he can be relied upon. He might have brought Patterson on earlier for Young or Harrison although I am not sure how that would have altered the dynamics of the game. Quite simply we lacked control in midfield.

To Sean Dyche's carping critics – just remember where we were a year ago under the hapless Frank Lampard. In the week before the World Cup break, we lost two league games to relegated Leicester and mighty Bournemouth as well as being knocked out of the League Cup.

This season, we have taken 4 points from teams who qualified for Europe, and we have progressed to the last eight of the League Cup. We are in a much better state than we were last November.

Derek Thomas
153 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:01:20
Pickford was out of position for the deflection, but in the right position - it's a deflection ffs.

As to Subs; apart from Danjuma, which is a tad Hail Mary-ish, look at the bench, who ya gonna call - Ghostbusters?

Young's knee apart, it was 2 second's away from being lauded as yet another Dyche Master Class.

Fine margins indeed.

Last season we would've - in fact we Did lose it and badly too.

This season they got a jammy, if probably deserved draw...You don't often get what you deserve, but you usually deserve what you get.

Any team gets a deflected goal is by definition Lucky...and the reverse applies.

Truth is cracks are being papered over and Dyche is getting pretty much the best out of what is still a woeful squad of 12 and some odds and sods.

Tony Abrahams
154 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:03:44
Stop the thread after those first two sentences on Dave's post @151.

I don't think it's short memories, Dave, but more that they want more from an Everton team than they are currently witnessing, except that vision of Everton died years ago.

Stephen Vincent
156 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:31:08
Well, I must have wandered into a completely different game to most people on here, because that was complete shite and in my eyes absolutely unacceptable. I have supported Dyche but that was indefensible, 2 points flushed down the toilet.

I can just about accept 20% possession at Goodison to Brighton, which incidentally means that we had the ball for 18 minutes, that's 9 minutes in each half. What absolutely horrifies me is what we did with the ball when we had it for that short period of time. The answer is we gave it a fuckin way – our pass completion was 62%. Dear God… and there are a lot on here who thought we did well.

Don't forget, since Brighton stuffed us out of sight last season, they have sold Mac Allister, Caicedo, Colwill, Trossard and March is out injured, so hardly a like-for-like comparison.

Brighton's goal wasn't Pickford's fault or Young's – it was Harrison's who failed to close down Mitoma (the best player on the pitch by a country mile), because he was absolutely on his knees as Dyche, the master tactician, had failed to sub him.

I give up.

Christine Foster
157 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:36:22
Guys, of course it's apparent that we are playing better, we have got rid of players, got new in, Calvert-Lewin is playing again (what a difference he makes), and we are pretty much injury-free.

Dyche has got them playing with more confidence without a doubt, and I will gladly take where we are now over last season. Dyche has to take a lot of credit for that.

We are creating chances when we attack, we do look far better closing down the opposition and pressing them back… but even now, we are still way too close to relegation candidates than anyone of us would like.

As a team we have to play to our strengths, stronger defence? Branthwaite has made that position his, resulting in fewer gaffs, but Ashley Young got laced a few times yesterday, and at 38 in the Premier League, you just haven't got the reactions or the explosive turn of pace to cope with some wingers.

McNeil and Harrison blow hot and cold, but generally the defence has been pretty good except for lapses and mistakes.

I would contend that giving up possession against the top four can make sense, but not others; only Bournemouth, Burnley and Sheffield Utd have conceded more goals. They are prone to leaking goals, yet after we scored we dropped back and would try to hit them on the break. I feel we need to do more to put games out of reach rather than the KITAP1. They can't score goals from their penalty area.

Roger Helm
158 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:44:58
Reasons to be cheerful;

1. Despite having only 20% possession, we managed more shots and more shots on target than they did.

2. We would have won but for an unlucky deflection.

3. Much better than last year when we were battered 1-4.

4. Despite tired legs from Wednesday, the players competed well.

5. No injuries or red cards.

6. Only just over a quarter of the season and already we are effectively seven points clear of the drop zone.

Peter Mills
159 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:49:26
Like everyone else, I was very disappointed to concede a late equaliser. If there is any blame for it, it is down to Young being drawn into the middle, leaving a lot of space for Mitoma.

Young (who had an excellent game) recovered pretty well, the deflection was not his fault, and to blame Pickford for not saving it is, well, let's say “harsh”.

We played very well. We got the early goal, then restricted Brighton to very few chances. Idyllic viewing? No. Gutsy, determined, organised? Absolutely.

The last few weeks have seen Everton play the most consistent, disciplined football they have shown for a few years. Things are improving.

Dan Parker
160 Posted 04/11/2023 at 22:55:31
He's not been very good for us, Ashley Young. The wise head hasn't been there and his mistakes and petulance at times could have been afforded to Patterson as lessons learned.
Kevin Molloy
162 Posted 04/11/2023 at 23:10:57
I don't think it was our intention necessarily to sit back like today after we scored. The problem was that Brighton are such great passers, and that game on Wednesday lost us a crucial 5%.

That was a hard-fought point.

Danny O’Neill
163 Posted 04/11/2023 at 23:13:01
Well said, Peter.

I'm just home. We played well and got done by an unfortunate deflection. The boys done well.

We will be fine and are heading to Wembley to beat them if they make it.

Tony Abrahams
164 Posted 04/11/2023 at 23:20:57
Good posts by both Peter M, and Stephen V, even though they have got completely different views of today's game.

Loads of people thought Young was poor, but regardless of whether he should be in the team, a lot of good judges also thought he had a really good game today.

Football is often about opinions, and mine is that I was just very glad to be back at Goodison Park today!

Jim Lloyd
165 Posted 04/11/2023 at 23:24:46
We could be disappointed because their goal was deflected... but so was ours. I said to Brian Wilkinson before the match that I thought we'd win but, if we only got a point, I'd be content with that.

We all know, I think, that they are a good team. They certainly looked it, and their passing was excellent and good to watch; but not today! The fact that we only had 20% possession was worrying but, on the other hand, we were very good in defending our lead.

I thought Young did fairly well today, but he wasn't helped much by Harrison being off the boil. I agree with those who thought Harrison was off the boil today. I 'm hoping that, after a few more matches, he will be up to speed, as I think he's a good player.

As it turned out, it was a good point for us. We nearly snatched the winner near the end. I also thought we had two decent shouts for a penalty... surprisingly not given!

I don't think Brighton will stay in their league position for long, and we are improving so let's carry on doing what we're doing.

Phil Sammon
167 Posted 04/11/2023 at 23:53:01
Just finished watching the replay of the game.

A draw was probably a fair result and I can't really complain about the performance. Just really frustrating the way Dyche refuses to make subs when fresh legs are so obviously needed.

I don't rate Danjuma but swapping him for Harrison would surely have made sense. Doucoure is probably our fittest player but couldn't Beto, Chermiti or Dobbin have offered more in the last 10 minutes?

David Hallwood
169 Posted 05/11/2023 at 00:43:34
Just a point about their goal: I've watched it in slow motion about 6 times.

It looks like Young moved his arm towards the ball, so if it hadn't gone in, knowing how crazy VAR is, there might have been a penalty given.

Ernie Baywood
170 Posted 05/11/2023 at 01:53:17
Young did okay, but it was really a function of us being so deep that they weren't getting wingers running in behind full-backs, and the fact Brighton tuck their wingers in and allow the full-backs to come forward. So Young v Milner was an unusually fair contest.

I still feel like I'd rather invest time into the Patterson - Harrison partnership. I still don't know what the upside is with Young. I can see benefit with Patterson given his age. And I don't think his current level or 'experienced head' favours Young.

First half, I thought we were good. Or at least good at doing what we were trying to do.

Second half, Brighton's relentless passing and possession took its toll. I know we're low on options but that's when you've got to think a bit outside of the square.

Maybe Danjuma and bring McNeil inside or Doucoure drops deeper? Patterson for Young for a bit of energy? Chermiti or Beto to do some of the chasing?

We again sat on our hands just a few days after most of these played the majority of a cup game.

Overall, a draw is decent considering the respective sides and their general trajectory. But it's another missed opportunity at home. We can't afford to miss many more given what we served up in the first few fixtures. For all the talk of corners being turned, our points total still has us in the relegation fight... and it's not like the fixtures are getting easier.

Barry Hesketh
171 Posted 05/11/2023 at 03:00:46
I've been watching Everton for over 50 years and the Brighton fixture had me foaming at the mouth. Since when has it been okay for Everton to deliberately put themselves on the back foot, because they had managed to put themselves in the lead early doors? Since when has it been acceptable for an Everton team to surrender so much possession on home soil?

Since when has it been acceptable for Everton to accept they were second-best in a contest at Goodison Park against a team that are good but hardly unbeatable? It's one thing to lose to Wolves, Luton and Fulham because we failed to score a goal; it's quite another to surrender three possible points because we were more concerned about defending than adding to our goal tally.

People might argue that a point on the board is worth more than the two points dropped, but I can't accept that stance. We are Everton, we shouldn't be pleased that we took a point from this game, and it was only an unfortunate breach of our defence that resulted in us drawing. Because, in truth, if we offer any team the initiative, it will inevitably result in Everton dropping points.

How are we going to fare against the Manchester clubs? How are we going to approach the Goodison derby, the encounters with Spurs and Newcastle? Are we really such a bad side that we can't give any of those teams a game? Will Chelsea be too much of a test? That's six games of a 19-game campaign — are we supposed to accept that we can't hope to win those matches and will have to defend deep and often in order to gain anything from those fixtures?

I disliked Moyes a lot, but Dyche is making us worse to watch than Moyes ever did. It's not entertainment and it makes us look like the small club, that many seem to think we are. I'm totally pissed off with yesterday's game and I can't understand why so many fellow Blues seem to think it's an acceptable state of affairs.

Steve Brown
172 Posted 05/11/2023 at 03:22:56
Here are my thoughts on the game.

1) We had a game plan in the first half - maintain our shape and counter-attack with purpose through DCL and Doucs. That disapppeared in the second half as we simply sat deep and aimed poorly directed clearances upfield.

2) Young had an excellent game and Dyche made the right decision to select him over young Patterson in terms of positional play.

3) As pressure increased, Dyche made zero efforts to change the momentum of the game tactically or through substitutions. I have supported (and support him) but his game management was poor today.

4) Harrison would benefit from a spell on the bench.

5) Onana’s ability to link the back four and attack was badly missed today.

6) I agree with Ian Edwards - Pickford WAS at fault for the goal. The ball looped high and Pickford didn’t adjust his body shapes or move his feet. Schmeichel called it and he was spot on.

I do wonder a little bit about the narrative on this page in a couple of areas. 4 points from 6 is good, however we played really poorly after half-time and the manager did not earn his money in the second half. 17% possession at home is pathetic and shows that we ceded all initiative to the opposition. If Brighton were playing to anything like the level of last season we would have been comprehensively beaten. Pointing this out isn’t moaning, it is stating an opinion on a performance that was sub-par despite the effort.

Secondly, Ian comes on here to give his view in the game and the goal.The best a few of you can come up with is “bollocks”. Then he is accused of running away, not answering a direct question and holding minority views. I can’t see a sensible direct question that Ian was asked.

I have disagreed with Ian a lot on here, but this is weak stuff. He has a right to post what he wants on here without the pack piling in on him.

Steve Brown
173 Posted 05/11/2023 at 03:56:33
Barry and Ernie, ceding 87% possession to opposition who haven’t won in the league since 24 September was poor. It reminded me of the ‘desperate hours’ period of Lampard’s first 6 months in charge.
Paul Ferry
174 Posted 05/11/2023 at 04:19:15
“It is definitely a point gained – they are a good outfit,” Dyche said.

I'm sorry but this is not acceptable. It implies that Dyche would have been happy with a point ahead of kick off. This was Brighton's record in their last four games before us: LDLD. This was also on paper, with the exception of Fulham, are 'easiest' home game until February 17.

I know that there are some - if not many - who will call this realistic, pragmatic, and tailored to our present situation. In a nutshell, smart-thinking. Steady the ship and all that. But this was a game that I - and maybe others - had high hopes that we could win.

I found the banks of four ultimately depressing as Brighton, invited by us, got their late goal. There was something inevitable about it. They deserved it. Dyche deserved it too.

He and us had a shocking second half. He was more than happy to sit deep and concede possession. Subs become almost obligatory with such an approach. Harrison was on his last legs around the hour mark. Go back to their goal, it was down first and foremost to Harrison.

But Dyche just stood there in his dodgy mac with his fingers tightly crossed doing nothing until his bizarre 90th minute subs, hooking our best striker off before a corner was taken.

Maybe there is something cultish about having this gravel-voiced stubborn fella in charge who vacuums in his boxers? He might be what we want/need right now given the off-the-pitch rollercoaster ride that we are on. (Word today is that the FA have given their blessing to 777.) I do get that,

Safety-first is not always the worst road to take. But today was a little too much for me and just as some on here will declare that performance to be one of Dyche's strengths I saw his limitations, never more apparent than in his post-match victory lap/relief lap/complacent presser.

It is bewildering to me that we only played with a front foot after Brighton equalised. But that is Dyche, I don't care, quite frankly, if we scored five at their gaff with a somewhat similar set-up. We didn't score five today. We didn't win today. Dyche has always been a grafter, no bad thing. His speciality is in and around the bottom three with one contrariwise season. That is not where we want to be in the years ahead.

So, maybe this hard-nose fella is the right fit right now? But this what he is, his defining principles, his CV and record. He will do for now, I suppose. I am trying to get on board with his gritty side. I want to find him endearing.

But ........

Kieran Kinsella
175 Posted 05/11/2023 at 04:28:15
Barry Hesketh & Steve Brown,

I usually find myself agreeing with you two – less so Paul Ferry – but tonight I do. Had I not seen the possession stats I wouldn't have guessed they had that much possession because they did nothing with it.

I did feel on the hour we needed fresh legs as they, after a week off, used five subs and frankly have better players than us… but the issue was in midfield and we had no fit midfielders on our bench to bring on.

Danjuma was terrible v Burnley, Beto has been compared to Niasse… then we have the defender Patterson who can't defend. I personally thought it was a pretty even-Steven contest but they had more ammo than us.

It's easy to talk about being the home team etc but one of their subs on loan from Barce was hailed as the new Iniesta 18 months ago while we could only offer up Michael Keane.

I'm not happy with where we are but I think Sean is doing more with a weaker squad than his two immediate predecessors

Paul Ferry
176 Posted 05/11/2023 at 04:29:35
Steve Brown, 72: "I can't see a sensible direct question that Ian was asked".

I can help there Steve: (136): "Name and quote two pundits who say that Pickford was at fault for that goal".

And, by the way, Steve, people coming on to give a contrary opinion in droves because it's what they believe is not "the pack piling in". As you say, there is a right to post and I also agree about "bollocks", but Edwards does not always help himself – eg, read the tone of some of him on here.

Mick O'Malley
177 Posted 05/11/2023 at 06:01:43
I'm sorry but I'm pissed off watching this surrender the ball shit. When we are at home we should always be on the front foot, always trying to score more goals.

This style of football will get us nowhere. Brighton might be a decent team with the ball but they are vulnerable defensively but we just let them have the ball; it happens against most teams and it is absolutely boring to watch.

I don't care what anyone thinks but I can not get behind this type of football. I will never accept this manager is good enough for Everton. I completely agree with Paul Ferry @174.

Paul Ferry
178 Posted 05/11/2023 at 06:18:03
I'm with Mick - 177. If that was "a point gained"; think about that, for one minute, "gained"? "Gained" from fecking what, an expectation that we would lose Dyche, coz that's what it sounds like?

Or "gained" because, to be honest, newspaper people, I really got it wrong today, but I'm too fecking stubborn to say so because I never say so coz I'm Kettering Dychey. Right Woany? Yes boss. Stoney? Yes boss, Curry? Yes boss.

Ernie Baywood
179 Posted 05/11/2023 at 06:23:09
Steve, you won't find me arguing.

It's not what I want and he's not the type of coach that I think serves us at the moment.

I suppose I was thankful for small mercies in the first half. We played to a plan. Everyone looked aligned to that plan. That represents progress from the much-lauded (by Dyche, and some on here) brainless selections and tactics in the early few home games. People defend it on the basis of xG. I just assume they don't understand the game.

But in the first half yesterday, we played to a style befitting of the selections we made (and in some cases had to make). I can acknowledge that.

By the way, it's really grinding on me reading how great Dyche has done in managing Calvert-Lewin back to fitness. He came in, questioned whether he was really injured, played him, lost him to injury for most of the remainder of the season. Then he proclaimed himself the guru... and started talking about Dom's personal life, including his mattress.

What he actually did was screw up Dom's recovery, and then have one season end and the other begin some months later. I can't give him full credit for inventing the post-season break. But he's claiming it and people are swallowing it.

Now he's playing him practically every minute despite actually having some attacking options who could share the load.

We're averaging a point a game. After a very generous wasted run of home games.

I still don't get the fandom. The closest I can come is looking at Tyson Fury, who proclaims himself a fighting man who will take on anyone... despite a long list of evidence to the contrary.

Dyche seems to have convinced people he's a real straight shooter. And that he is getting the best out of the team. Neither are true – he bullshits his way through press conferences and for whatever reason, there are people who can't see it.

Paul Ferry
180 Posted 05/11/2023 at 06:59:33
Ernie, I am baffled at anyone who thinks that that was a good point or a point gained. I'll repeat, before this game, Brighton's record was LDLD.

But don't worry anyone at all because Kieran Kinsella has reminded us that "Sean is doing more with a weaker squad than his two immediate predecessors".

Phew, thank goodness, it's clear to me now, bright as sunshine, thanks KK, stupid me, that was, after all is said and done, a point "gained". The Dyche approach today was absolutely immaterial, because he is doing more than his immediate predecessors.

Today was a capitulation, but not as bad a capitulation as Frank and him. Goodness, we're so blessed.

Alan J Thompson
181 Posted 05/11/2023 at 06:59:34
I agree that, if you take out the deflection for their goal, Young had played very well until that point… but that does sound a bit like saying he did well until he didn't.

What worried me most was what he thought he was doing by taking up the position he did rather than doing what has been done to us so often, doubling up on Mitoma, surely it has happened in accruing all that experience?

And somebody criticized Patterson for all the mistakes he made during the 4 minutes extra time he was on the pitch… really???

And I find it difficult to accept that this is the best we can expect to play "with this squad"; it's the acceptance again of mediocrity — if you don't try, then you won't know.

But we scored by getting players forward and how many did we have in and around their penalty area when we did score? — something which we then almost gave up on thereafter.

I suppose it can be said that we are at least moving in the right direction but I'm not confident that there will be any dramatic improvement that will move us into the top positions.

Somebody earlier said that the money we gain for each higher position could see us £20 million better off this season which would then mean we only have £400M to find, or £296M if P&S is all that matters.

Laurie Hartley
182 Posted 05/11/2023 at 07:01:43
I am disappointed we didn’t get all three points but think Brighton would have felt very hard done by if they hadn’t got something from that game.

The reason that they had 80% possession is they have a better technical players than us. They spent £101M on incoming players this year because they could having brought in £195M in player sales. I don’t think De Zerbi would do any good with our players. Unfortunately we had had to sell two of our best footballers last year.

Dyche on the other hand has managed to draw the best out of them. The team is playing with a fighting spirit which is, in my opinion, above all other things, is what is required if we are going to retain our premier league status this season.

Having said that I think he had couple of options to change things up in the second half:-

Perhaps as someone suggested above he could have brought on Patterson for Harrison.

Or maybe he could have subbed Harrison by bringing McNeill over to our right and bringing Danjuma on into his best position which is wide left.

As far as Young is concerned I thought he played quite well today. I have watched Mitoma on quite a few occasions and he creates a problem for most teams. He has that devastating turn of pace over the first 5 yards down the outside that the majority defenders just can’t cope with.

Tony # 149 - I am very glad you posted that snippet about Dyche and Dele Ali. If Dyche can get that football brain fit and back on the pitch playing for us we will be a very different proposition.

Last but not least, I am enjoying not having that “hiding behind the sofa” feeling before every game regardless of the opposition and venue. I am giving Dyche the credit for that.

Ernie Baywood
183 Posted 05/11/2023 at 07:58:02
I'm glad you're feeling better, Laurie. I just don't understand why.

We're crap. We play crap football. I don't know whether that is even up for discussion.

But people tell me Dyche is working with what he has... and that it's the results that matter.

Well, we have 11 points. We've had 6 home games. 4 of those home games were against bottom 6 or 7 rivals.

I don't get which bit is the good bit? It seems like Dyche has convinced our supporters that the losses were brilliant but unlucky and that the points were down to his brilliance.

We might be crap? And not even really having a go?

Bob Parrington
184 Posted 05/11/2023 at 07:58:07
Whatever else is said, we have to accept that it was a fluke of a goal Brighton scored. The trajectory after it left Young's knee, for fuck's sake!

The football gods are telling us to not get ahead of ourselves.

Robert Tressell
185 Posted 05/11/2023 at 08:28:32
Alan #181,

I think it's a case of "walk before you can run". We've been a crisis club for a long time now. The most important thing to do is regain solidity and confidence and to hang onto a manager for more than 12 months. We're doing that.

Next season, with some solid foundations in place, we will have something to build on.

Look at how hard Chelsea are finding it with a huge squad of talented players and a talented manager. Unfortunately these things take time.

Derek Knox
186 Posted 05/11/2023 at 08:41:15
Paul @ 174,

I agree with all that you have written, which virtually mirrors my feelings at the moment. I too have been behind Dyche and still am because of the total mess we are in. I wrote (by email to the Premier League) recently, about the 'leaked' and possible impending punishment for Everton, and what was the source while the investigation was still going on.

I also strongly emphasised, that whatever Financial Mess the Club was in re: Profitability and Sustainability Rules, had and has nothing whatsoever to do with the fans. Rather the incompetency at the executive level by a board of Muppets! Yet any punishment that may be handed down, if it resulted in relegation, would only penalise the fans, not the guilty!

I know I digressed a bit there, but decisions made by the manager, regarding team selection, tactics (backs to the wall at home), late substitutions etc, equally affects the fans. I think the majority of us would have sussed that, after surviving the first half yesterday, risking the same for the second was folly and a reshuffle (subs) should have happened early into the second period.

Sam Hoare
187 Posted 05/11/2023 at 08:46:52
People going on about how we only had 19% possession — we had 22% when we beat Brighton 5-1, and 49% when we lost 4-1 under Lampard.

Sitting back does not always mean you're giving up or not trying to score goals.

We really struggled to score goals when we had more possession under Lampard and our best tool for scoring is the counter-attack.

The players that we have are better out of possession than with it. Dyche is setting us up accordingly and, as a result, I believe we will (hopefully) end this season 14th-15th rather than 17th-18th.

Our form is pretty decent this last month or so with 4 wins, a draw and only one loss. There's some tough fixtures coming up but we look much harder to beat.

Bill Fairfield
188 Posted 05/11/2023 at 08:51:55
So we were unlucky? We'll have a lot more bad luck conceding that much possession to teams.

Continually giving the ball away in that second half was pathetic. Awful to watch.

Rob Dolby
189 Posted 05/11/2023 at 08:58:20
Paul @180 and others.

How would you have set the team up to be on the front foot playing attacking football?

We all want to see us playing better stuff. With our current squad, I am not sure that's possible.

Duncan McDine
190 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:00:23
Some pretty extreme feelings on here... it's what makes ToffeeWeb so appealing tbh!

It's obviously gutting to concede a late jammy goal, not to mention a couple of strong penalty shouts (McNeil especially) that were dismissed.

We all know what a shambles this club is, so I'll try to enjoy the few positives (there are some if you look hard enough), rather than concentrate on everything being shit... but if that's your thing, fair enough!

Ian Edwards
191 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:01:23
Paul Ferry @176.

I merely said that I believed Pickford was at fault for the goal. That is my opinion. It is also the opinion of others on here earlier in the chat and on the forum and also the view of the greatest keeper that played in the Premier League. I suggest he knows more about goalkeeping than you do.

You say "Edwards doesn't help himself". By that, you mean having an opinion that you don't agree with. I'll let others decide an appropriate word for that.

You mentioned earlier in the chat about abuse and linked me with the "headlock". It was only a few short weeks ago that a Kopite called you a few names and you threw your dummy out the pram like a toddler who had their Haribo taken away and cried all over the site. Incidentally, I suoported you that day. But it would seem Paul "Haribo" Ferry has a very short memory.

Tony Abrahams
192 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:03:00
Once you set your stall out to play a certain way, then it can be very difficult to change mid-game and almost nigh-on impossible without making any subs; I think this was clearly evident yesterday.

I remember the crowd getting up after a couple of feisty tackles and I said to the people around me that this would probably get the players playing on the front foot, and this was the last thing we needed to do after the way we had been sitting deep, without getting caused any real problems by Brighton.

Lo and behold, it happened twice, and when Calvert-Lewin slid in and missed the ball by inches, 6 yards from the byline, inside the Brighton box, four or five passes and about 10 seconds later, I thought Mykolenko did brilliantly to defend a one on one, against Lamptey, after outstanding intricate football from Brighton.

If we continue to play like this all season, then Dyche had better get results, but his football is no worse than Carlo Ancelotti's, even though the Italian had a lot more craft in his squad.

Most of us have a view that Everton should always play good football, or at least try to play good football, but my view is that way too many people have sucked the life out of what was once the real Everton, and because our club has been built on pragmatism, then hopefully this incredibly important detail is returning to our once great club.

It might be boring to some, and horrible to others, but it's a massive foundation, and foundation is something Everton Football Club have been operating without for years.

Jeff Armstrong
193 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:16:54
Well, when having possession, not giving it to Pickford, who then launches it towards Calvert-Lewin to create a 50/50 opportunity of keeping and losing possession is one way to improve our possession stats.

I realise we don't have the players to play out from the back, but maybe bowling it out to McNeil or Harrison now and again would keep possession and maybe start an attack. There was a least one occasion yesterday where Gueye had acres in front of him and a simple throwout from Pickford would have made a lot more sense than his massive kick in the air that landed… at the feet of Lewis Dunk.

Hoofball creates nothing more than the opposition constantly coming back at you.

Jeff Armstrong
194 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:33:23
“Not” giving it to Pickford.
Tony Abrahams
195 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:37:09
It’s all immaterial because none of us are ever going to pick the team, or design our tactics Jeff, but sometimes my view is that you can still have eleven men behind the ball, whilst playing with two forwards.

The one big difference though is that if you are going to play direct with two forwards on the pitch, then the ball might not always come back so quickly?

There have been many good posts on this thread, with polar opposite views, which has made for some very good debate, imo.

Ian Edwards
196 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:40:28
Final point from me on Brighton's goal. If you search Pickford on twitter there are many people blaming him around the time MOTD was on. Many of them Everton accounts.
Jeff Armstrong
197 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:40:29
Problem is Tony we played hoofball with only 1 forward, Doucoure was deeper and is never winning headers against those 2 centre halves, if Dyche wants to employ those tactics, surely Beto AND Calvert-Lewin is the required option?
Jimmy Carr
198 Posted 05/11/2023 at 09:43:37
I was expecting a low scoring game and got it. Dyche continues to frustrate with his subs but I'll take it, we would have got nothing from that game under the last two managers. I don't expect us to suddenly start playing like Barcelona with the squad we have.

Surprised people keep talking about Patterson. He can't learn on the job by making mistakes, it will cost us points. We need points to stay up, don't we? If he can't defend, he won't start. That's about the size of it. Coleman goes straight back in at right back when he's fit.

Have to say some of the snarky comments between individual posters on here are a bit silly - as are the snarky comments about the manager. Maybe a few posters might think about upping their own game's, or having a spell on the bench.

Paul Tran
199 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:02:53
Tony #192, you're bang on the money there. We've had seven years of no foundation, no backbone, with a host of expensive, ineffective 'talented' players that has bankrupted the club on and off the pitch.

If we'd half of the current pragmatism seven years ago, we wouldn't be where we are now.

This is our medicine for the last seven years. If it gives us the foundation we desperately need, I'm happy to take it.

And it's nice to be debating style of play, rather than the 'we're definitely going down. Fact' nonsense of just six weeks ago. That's progress in itself.

Christopher Timmins
200 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:06:13
Another point gained against a team who higher up the league than us and who are in Europe.

The talk about style can wait for a year or two as far as I am concerned, I will take mid table finishes with an emphasis on keeping things tight at the back until then.

Once we have come through our financial hell and are housed at BMD, we can then start to apply more creativity to the set up. To expect that to happen given our current financial issues is unrealistic.

Barry Rathbone
201 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:14:42
On the Brighton goal if Young had done his job and raced to support Harrison the winger's opportunity to cross is massively reduced. Caught in no mans land the ball ricochets off his knee and that's that.

Nonetheless, Ian Edwards is completely correct Pickford was caught flat footed although I'm not sure JP could have tipped it over even if on his toes. He's not a tall goalie relatively speaking.

Brian Harrison
202 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:18:59
I accept the argument that points are far more important than performance given where we are in the league, and sometimes we have to be pragmatic in our approach to games. But this approach has been tried with Benitez, Lampard and now Dyche and if we only want to become a club that possibly survives relegation then these are exactly the type of managers you should hire.
I have been going to Goodison for 70 years and trust me we have had some bloody awful teams but until say the last few years I don't remember our only tactic being surrender possession and sit back and keep your shape. We lack any belief or ambition and for those pedalling the line give Dyche time and we will play better then I suggest you look at his style he has adopted at all the clubs he has been at.

He has brought Harrison and Young to the club quite obviously his signings, Harrison has absolutely no quality in the final third, yes works hard but as a professional in any sport that should be a given. He has played Young at both right and left back and its obvious Dyche doesn't rate Patterson and for his own good Patterson would be better finding another club, because if the manager prefers a 38 year old soon to be replaced by our 36 year old captain then the writing is on the wall for Patterson. Seems the £28m signing of Beto and Chermetti were Thelwell signings and seems to spend £28m on a reserve striker seems unbelievable given how little we had to spend.

Yesterday we were playing our third game in 6 days, and many had played virtually every minute of those games, and as the game was going on you could see our players dropping off the pace, but did Dyche do anything to change it of course he didnt. He only makes subs when we concede and true to form he made 2 subs with 5 minutes to go of normal time after Brighton equalised. Again tactically we were caught having no width when defending free kicks, again yesterday Dunk found acres of space on the flank of our defence and could count himself unlucky the goal was ruled offside. I don't know how many times Dyche and his coaches need to see opposing teams finding acres of space on our flanks at free kicks before he does something about it.

Brighton sold their 2 best players before the season started and have a few injuries to key players but Di Zerbi didnt decide some of my stars are injured so I will be a bit cautious with apart from Mitoma and Ferguson and Dunk at the back he has a largely average set of footballers but they are well coached and dominated possession but as he said they didnt put enough efforts on goal. He didnt go on about how much possession they had or say they were the only team trying to win the game, instead he was telling his team what he expects to do better.

I listened to Barry Horne on the way home from the game and I agree when he said Everton nullifying a lot of Brighton attacks was down to the very disciplined display from Gana and Garner. I thought Mykolenko was our best player and for me he is one of the best left backs in the league, again Branthwaite and Tarkowski were very good. So I ask given you have got good defenders why don't you trust them and play a little more adventurous in future.
Finally I am sure they do practice attacking moves at Finch Farm, but can someone tell me why we are incapable of keeping hold of the ball in the opposition half of the pitch.

Mark Murphy
203 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:23:55
On a bit of a tangent, just watching motd and even haven’t got to our game yet.
VAR is absolutely killing the game! It’s fcuking ridiculous now!
Lester Yip
204 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:25:18
Overall played well. Could have been 2 - 0 with McNeil strike was so close. It was unlucky for the own goal. A point is a point.
Rob Dolby
206 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:30:06
Jeff like it or not playing long ball football is a tactic that yields results in most games played.

I didn't like the fact Pickford kicked everything long but it was a tactic to bypass their midfield.

I was frustrated we didn't have a go at Milner, the throw was on to Harrison a lot of the time.

When we did pick up possession our play was sloppy in giving it back too soon. We had half chances and with a bit more composure we score a couple on the counter.

The feeling after the game was one of frustration at dropping late points but was far better than the same fixture last year when I was fuming and wanted Frank sacked for a pathetic home performance with more or less the same players.

Hopefully January will see us pick up a couple of decent midfield signings. A right footed McNeil type, a right back and someone to add more quality and goals.

Ernie Baywood
207 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:58:01
I feel like I'm living in some parallel universe. People are stating that the results justify the football. And that this is giving us a foundation.

What results? What foundation? How have people been convinced that our results are good? If they were good we wouldn't be down near the bottom of the table.

We've got 11 points from 11 games. If any of the teams at the bottom even remotely get their act together then we'll be in a relegation fight right to the end.

The bottom 8 looks like it's fairly set and are in for a tough season. We've played 5 out of the other 7 already. 4 of those 5 were at home for 1 win and 3 losses.

If this is what it looks like when we're apparently getting results, what will happen when we don't?

Rob Halligan
208 Posted 05/11/2023 at 10:58:04
After the last two seasons, there was only one aim for this season…….to ensure we are still in the premier league for next season. If that means grinding out results like yesterday, then I will take it all day long. After the number of managers we’ve had to endure over the past seven or eight years, a squad consisting of Liquorice allsorts, the upheaval at the top, the last thing we need when moving into a new stadium is to be in the championship.

Football, as a sport, falls into two categories, an entertainments business and a results business. For now, for us anyway, our aim falls into the second category, that of a results business. Forget the entertainment, if you want entertainment then go and watch Man City plundering goals left, right and centre as they destroy everyone. Don’t forget, a few years back, they were in a far worse situation than us. Playing not only in a run down stadium, but playing in the third tier of English football. They also had successful neighbours to contend with, and let’s be honest, who could have foreseen what would happen to them when they were playing the likes of Stockport County, Port Vale and Macclesfield etc? They slowly crawled their way back to the top division, then struck lucky with Manchester being awarded the Commonwealth Games in 2002, meaning they got a brand new stadium for next to nothing. As a result, they got new owners, and the rest is history. None of this is what any of us want to face, so the only way to prevent it, is results like yesterday.

If, as sounds likely, 777 takeover, then hopefully it will mean a brand new start, with a new board, and business people who know what they’re doing. A lot on here have their doubts about 777, but if the premier league, FA and Financial Conduct Authority have all given their approval, then maybe they are not as bad as some seem to make out. Nobody knows what the future holds, but we have to ensure that our immediate future is as a premier league club before moving into a new stadium. Mid table this season will do nicely, and who knows, we may have a trip to Wembley on the horizon. 🤞🤞🤞

Ian Edwards
209 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:03:16
When you sit back and create no chances and let the opposition have the ball it is no surprise a goal is conceded.

Interesting stat which doesn't get enough traction is that in his whole managerial career with Burnley and Everton, Dyche has only won TWO league games in which his team has had more possession than the opposition.

Tony Abrahams
210 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:04:39
I don’t think I was the only person in the ground who just wanted the ref to give Brighton the goal, and to just get on with the game Mark, because I heard people shouting this around where I was sitting yesterday.

I said to the people around me that the longer it’s going on, then the more chance there was going to be of it being disallowed, but I genuinely never took any real satisfaction when the goal was chalked-off.

If the game isn’t rigged, how can decisions like Newcastle’s goal, actually happen? Ask for the audio footage Mikel, let’s hear how they reached the conclusion that it was a goal, without commenting on the strength of the weed, they must have been smoking.

Rob Halligan
211 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:08:45
Not a good day all round for Arsenal yesterday……….


Laurie Hartley
212 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:12:29
Ernie # 183 - thanks - I think the reason for my feeling better is because we have picked up 10 points from our last 6 premier league games - 7 of them away from home - plus the win in the cup.😉

You and I have been coming on here for many years, and I, as I suspect like many of us do, pay particular attention to the posts of certain individuals. You are one of them.

I have noticed that you have been really down in the dumps lately as I was at the beginning of the season. I have to agree that our football is crap at the moment - I am just trying to look for the good and enjoying not feeling the sadness the day after a defeat.

Our day will come - hang in there.

Tony Abrahams
213 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:13:00
Those same authorities gave their blessings to Hicks & Gillette, and also The Glazier’s, Rob. I’ve read that 777, are not going to be purchasing Everton, with leveraged loans against the club, but does this also mean that they don’t have to take out loans elsewhere, and that’s before I begin to think about Everton having to eventually rent the stadium? All will be revealed soon, I’m sure.

I talked about foundations, Ernie, but i hadn’t linked it to our results, (even though they are improving) but more about the way the players are beginning to graft for the shirt once again. But when you live or watch things from a parallel universe, maybe this isn’t something new, and our players have been showing a bit of backbone for years?

Phil Greenough
214 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:13:47
Thanks, Rob, for a honest, level headed, realistic appraisal of Everton's situation.
John Raftery
215 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:29:23
Tony (210) You were not alone in taking no satisfaction from the goal being chalked off. I think the majority of fans in the stadium felt like you. VAR happened to work in our favour with that decision yesterday but we know it won’t be long before it doesn’t. The system is a farce and steadily eroding enjoyment of the game at this level. It has made officials slaves to the video. I believe Conor Coady has spoken of what a relief it is to be without it in the EFL.

Rob (208) The voice of realism. I think the club is taking small steps in the right direction. Today’s Sunday Times (Paul Joyce) carries a story that 777 have been approved by the FA. If true, that’s one hurdle cleared

Phil Lewis
216 Posted 05/11/2023 at 11:45:11
Unlucky losers well worth a draw. Young was tiring towards the end and should have been replaced by Patterson long before their cruel deflection. Young wasn't at fault for the goal, the real culpritt was Harrison, who was turned twice by their winger before getting his cross in.
It's early days, but Harrison has done nothing for me so far to suggest he is anything other than a poor man's Peter Beagrie. He runs a lot, which no doubt satisfies Dyche, but for all of his huff n puff, his posititional awareness is poor, as is his distribution, continually dribbling into dead ends when first time lay offs to unmarked colleagues are clearly his best option.
The last few games I've studied him closely. Whenever the ball reaches him I'd say 80% of the time a move breaks down or we lose possession and end up on the back foot. I'm determined not to be biased toward the boy and sincerely hope he improves. If he would at least look up for the first time pass, it would vastly improve his game. I hope the coaching staff are up to ironing out his flaws in training, so that we can benefit from the flashes of ability we've seen already.
Lee Robinson
217 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:02:16
Dyche continues to shoot himself in the foot. His substitutions have been poor regularly this season and it doesn't give any hope long term for any youngsters to be hiven opportunities if they can't get on the pitch in a cup game whilst 2-0 up.

He is usually a rabbit in the headlights waiting for the game to change before making a decision, always too late.

It's a shame, I'd have liked us really slow the game down with substitutions and have different options, the players were shattered in the last half hour. Brighton had us pegged in our own half.

Saying that though we were well drilled and I thought everyone had a good game, particularly Harrison and Mykolenko did everything asked of them.

2 points dropped for me when in that position at home.

David Stranack
218 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:03:38
Kim Vivian [105] och unfortunately not. I'm just a plain old scouser in the smoke. Although I did have my WiFi upgraded yesterday but not to wind powered. lol
Terry Farrell
219 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:04:45
Im a SD fan. I like what he is trying to achieve his toughness the fact he is unflappable and many other positives. However he talks about science yet I'm pretty sure if there was a table for the number of minutes substitutes are on the pitch for PL teams then we would be bottom by a long chalk. My science tells me that players who have played 3 games in 6 days and some look dead on their feet with 30mins to go they will not keep pace with a substitute who has something to prove to the manager and has fresh legs. I saw it first hand sheff utd away when they brought all 5 subs on the game changed and but for Pickfords brilliance they would have won. My science also tells me if a speedy winger got nothing out of a fullback last time out but then sees that he has been benched for a 36year old then his confidence multiplies!
Ian Edwards
220 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:10:57
Everton had the least possession of any team in the top two flights yesterday. At home to a team without a win in 5 matches. Absolutely scandalous. 20%. The club should refund 80% of the tickets.
Oliver Molloy
221 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:12:40
Phil @ 216,
Agree regards Harrison.Definetly a Dyche type player, works hard but very little end product - Just was checking his contract with Leeds.
He signed a new five year contract in April worth 90 grand a week - whoever his agent is did well there!.
Nowhere near a 90 grand a week football player for me.
Sam Hoare
222 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:20:10
Ian@220, did you prefer the last time we played Brighton at home and had 49% of the possession?!

Is it not clear to everyone that this is not a team that does well with more possession? Just go and watch the last six months under Lampard and see how you like it.

Rob Halligan
223 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:23:35
It’s a good job stats don’t win or lose football matches!
James Hughes
224 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:29:11
I remember Martinez used to have phenomenal possesion stats. Didn't win anything and his team couldn't defend corners/ set pieces. But WHAT a manager,eh ?

Ian have you taken your tablets mate. Refund the fans for 20% possession, Bizarre statement

Ernie Baywood
225 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:29:39
Sam, you can play a counter attacking style while taking some care of the ball when you have it.

We have times where we simply boot it away. We don't want it whatsoever.

I can't understand not wanting the ball. It's the most obvious way to not have a team pen you in your own half.

Agree with many that Harrison isn't up to much. But he's a right midfielder in a team that doesn't have one. He does a bit for shape. And of course stops Dyche deploying Garner out there.

Dale Self
226 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:29:51
xG! xG! xG!
Ernie Baywood
227 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:36:21
Laurie 212, let's hope so.

I'm not seeing much by way of hope. Feels like a downward spiral to me. And I struggle to see the current management breaking that spiral.

We may well stay up by virtue of the bottom three breaking records.

Yes, we've picked up some points in the last few games but it's hard to see it continuing. Performances aren't getting better in my opinion.

Anyway, onto the next one.

Chris Leyland
228 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:38:29
Refunds based on possession? I’ve read some ridiculous things on here but that’s up there.

Seeing as though some people seem to have an obsession with possession, here are some other possessions stats from our previous four encounters against Brighton:

in the previous 2 home games against them, Everton had 49% and 50% posesssion respectively but conceded 7 goals and lost both games gaining zero points. In the previous 2 away games against them, Everton had 34% and 22% possession respectively, scored 7 goals, and gained 6 points.

Conclusion, the way to successfully get points against Brighton is not to go toe to toe on possession but to sit back and soak it up. But for a freak deflection, it would have successfully worked again yesterday.

Jimmy Carr
229 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:45:21
Harrison needs to be given more time. He's only been back a relatively short while. I'd rather judge him after a decent run in the team. Myko was not convincing anyone last season and now he's playing like one of the safest left backs in the league.

Same with Patterson. There might be a player there if he can be coached to defend more effectively. We are going to need a new right back sooner rather than later, that position is his for the taking eventually,

I accept some of the negativity about Dyche, but we are where we are after a string of calamitous appointments, and we need to stay up this season. In that sense, we appear to be much more on track than previously.

Kevin Molloy
230 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:46:39
Subs are for when things are going wrong surely. We were inches away from a brilliant win yesterday. SD practises with the first eleven all week,. As soon as you bring a sub on, the whole thing is disrupted.
Ian Edwards
231 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:57:22
Kevin 230 Subs are for when you can't get the ball and need to make changes to get more possession to prevent the opposition putting pressure on and being able to score a late goal.
Tony Abrahams
232 Posted 05/11/2023 at 12:59:22
I,100% disagree with that view Kevin M, especially now teams can actually use five subs, which should surely help to keep up the energy levels for 90 minutes?
Dave Abrahams
233 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:01:05
Graham (100), sorry to wait so long to reply but I wrote my post while waiting for a lift into town then got picked up never got in ‘til 2-30am this morning.

On reflection I wouldn’t change anything different to what I posted and we all see things different from the same game.

I would have took Dominic off a bit/ lot sooner than Dyche did, he had ran the legs off himself as that loan front runner and replaced him with Dobbin, Beto is not ready for premier league football yet, and Dobbin’s pace might have been productive against the tiring and slow Dunk, then again up front on his own maybe not.

Much has been said about their lucky/ unfortunate goal, but not ours?

I followed Dunks run for his disallowed goal and said to the fella next to me this will go to VA fuckin’ R, he looked at me questionable and the fella behind me asked me if I was sure, I told them yes but Inwasn’t sure of the outcome and I still haven’t seen how close to offside Dunk was but a Rednose last night at the party I was in told me Tarkowski had played him onside, mind you this Red wouldn’t give Everton any credit if you tortured him!

Dale Self
234 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:06:37
Ian, more likely is the scenario that you bring on Danjuma which lures Gana further up the pitch to make an errant pass leading to counterattacks. Oh, you subbed Gana? For who?

The problem with the proposed alternatives is that they are not fully specified. Return to the armchair and settle down. Dyche has it under control and planned out for more than one half at a time, unlike his unarticulate critics.

Sam Hoare
235 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:10:05
Ernie@225, there’s no doubt that our counter-attacking could have been better yesterday and we were sloppy at times. Dyche said as much.

But we still created more opportunities than them (just about).

Possession is really not the issue.

John Keating
236 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:11:22
As an Evertonian thank God for VAR
As a football supporter it’s shit and ruining the game
Spontaneity is what the game is about not about the 10 minute it takes for one side or the other to cheer

As for the game well in our situation, and has been the last 2 seasons, it’s all about results. Sod possession, passes, stats etc, goals win games however they come
It’s not pretty tippy tappy Man City footy but I’d sooner get points on the board the way we’re playing rather than nowt playing possession based footy
One worrying thing the last few games is giving people space, unmarked, from set pieces. Luton and yesterday for example
Play the same next week at Palace and come away with 3 points and happy days!

Jamie Crowley
237 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:11:47
Dave @ 233 -

I watched highlights back and Dunk was barely, barely offside.

The kind of offside that borders ridiculous and VAR haters detest the review of.

If that call went against us we'd have felt aggrieved. I thought we were lucky to have the call judged offside.

Dave Abrahams
238 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:20:07
Jamie (237), Thanks Jamie, I knew it would be very close.

I hate that VAR but sometimes it’s not bad!!

George Cumiskey
239 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:23:30
Just watched the Brighton goal again Pickford should deffo have saved it in my opinion.
James Hughes
240 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:24:23
Jamie. we have had so many go against us and I will gladly take this one.

But you are right

Derek Thomas
241 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:24:24
Kevin @230; Ian @231. It's for both - the trick is knowing when to stick and when to twist.
Brghton got lucky - Dyche didn’t.
John Keating
242 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:34:23
Ask Wolves if they think VAR is acceptable and if it will even up over the season
Look at the nonsense at Newcastle yesterday
If anyone thinks VAR in it’s present form is improving the game then it’s time to turn the lights out in the way out
Jeff Armstrong
243 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:41:50
VAR should be scrapped, it’s causing more controversies than ever and refs are relying on it to make decisions for them, leading to even more controversies.
We would have got the second half pen shout yesterday pre VAR, but the refs have no bottle to give decisions like that anymore.
Brian Wilkinson
244 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:48:45
In regards to var, how refreshing has the cup games been this season, without var, a quick look at the linesman and then celebrate a goal.

I find it ridiculous that we have gone so many rounds without var, but they bring it back in for the semi final and final.

Mark Taylor
245 Posted 05/11/2023 at 13:55:01
I said before the game I'd take a draw so I'm not unhappy, just frustrated with their fluke goal.

I am also in with the realists. We don't have good footballers. The midfield is especially bereft. They way we play is dogs of war if not hounds of war. For us to try and play Man City style possession football would be suicide. We don't have the players. Not sure even Brighton have the players. And Frank well and truly proved we don't.

In the first half, the plan worked, we managed to break up play at times then break. In the second half, it didn't because we were knackered, presumably feeling the effect of nearly all this team playing on Wednesday. Harrison especially was out on his feet. But there is nothing on the subs bench to refresh, especially in midfield. God help us if we lose any of our current XI to the African Nations Cup. Sad to say, this is probably just about as well as we can do. We are still a club in crisis.

I thought Pickford could have saved that but my guess is, 8 times out of 10, a goalie would not. He certainly does not deserve pillory, he is one of our better players. Young, who I don't rate, did as well as he can. The rest of the defence is looking quite solid. Which is just as well

Ray Roche
246 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:09:30
At home v Wolves we made one substitution at 65 minutes and two at 91 minutes.
Versus Fulham we also left substitutions till late in the game and yesterday it was the same, in the 90th minute. We’d played midweek, Harrison looked tired, Young, Mc Neil also looked weary yet Dyche made no changes until it was too late. That’s 8 points dropped from winnable games that might have been saved if tiring players had been replaced by fresh legs. Dyche makes Moyes look like the epitome of decisiveness.
John Kavanagh
247 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:11:52
Mykolenko is finally showing the sort of form he was bought for, which is a real positive for the season. Too many on here have been overly critical, but it's good to see him getting some credit at last.

Of all our squad, Mykolenko is playing under the most pressure. It cannot be easy getting through every day dreading a call, text or email that might be news of a friend or relative being killed by a Putin bomb or missile.

My take from the match is, once again, the appalling standard of refereeing and the muppets doing VAR. Branthwaite was booked for the slightest brush against a player who went down like he'd been torched by a flamethrower. Yet DCL gets blatantly wrestled to the ground in the penalty area and nothing given, with no VAR intervention. Time has long passed when PGMOL should have been put out to tender and referees recruited globally, like the Saudis are doing, with VAR run independently if used at all.

Overall, I'm satisfied rather than happy with a point and it does extend our unbeaten record. Hope we put on a show at the Palace next week!

Ian Edwards
248 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:14:15
Derek 241. Brighton didnt get lucky. They were allowed to have 80% possession and got what they deserved and were always likely to get having so much of the ball.

Sam Hoare
249 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:18:18
Ian@248, why did they deserve it? Did Pickford make any great saves? Did they hit the bar or the post? Did they miss any chances?

Why do you think that whoever has more possession should therefore win the the football match? Football doesn’t work that way, otherwise Martinez’ Everton would have been champions!

Possession does not always equal chances. It didn’t yesterday for Brighton so I’m not really sure what you’re talking about.

Dale Self
250 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:26:10
Ian, only the desperate would claim a wild deflection confirms their theory of the game. None of us know what will happen if Dyche makes a move we prefer, we only get to ride along and see what happens.

That said, it does look strained when people state with certainty that you could expect a Brighton goal given the statistics cited. This is done emphatically while ignoring the shots on goal. It probably sounds good but carries no weight or persuasion. No one is changing their mind about the game when such claims are made.

John Keating
251 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:31:42

Possession, number of passes mean absolutely nothing.

Goals are the only thing that matter.

Alan J Thompson
252 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:34:53
Phil (#216);

Harrison was at fault for their goal because he was turned twice by their winger? So where was the full-back who should have been on that winger?

Well, Young had lost the winger earlier and Harrison chased back for him and then Young decided he'd leave it to Harrison and deliberately changed course to avoid getting involved.

Had he helped Harrison then, it may have been unlikely that there would have been any cross or deflection. Young had done well until then but bottled it and got too far away from Harrison and the player he, Young, should have been marking.

Ian Edwards
253 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:36:12
John @252.

If we have possession, the opponent can't score.

Si Cooper
254 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:40:23
You've got to expect caution and practicality; calling it ‘Neanderthal' is too harsh. There is a debate about being overly cautious but it's impossible to know whether the players are delivering exactly what is being asked of them or whether they are still a work in progress.

Likewise, you can make a case that Jordan Pickford could have made a better attempt to prevent the goal, but expecting robotic level repetition of reaction is unrealistic.

I'm hopeful the overall aim isn't 20% possession as it does seem like hoping the opposition sleep-walk into ‘hardly bothering' mode. Drawing is better than losing but winning is literally three times as good.

Brent Stephens
255 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:43:59
Ian #254:

"If we have possession the opponent can't score."

Ian #209: "Interesting stat which doesn't get enough traction is that in his whole managerial career with Burnley and Everton, Dyche has only won two league games in which his team has had more possession than the opposition."


Ian Edwards
256 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:48:53
Sam @249.

Teams that probe and try to build attacks deserve to win games as opposed to teams that sit deep at home and try to defend what they have.

What has our fan base become accepting such negative tactics at home against a team in poor form in mid-table? Shame on those that accept it.

Anthony Dove
257 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:54:13
The main reason we only had 20% possession was not
not so much the tactics but the inability of the players
to put two passes together.
Dale Self
258 Posted 05/11/2023 at 14:55:32
Yeah, these are definitely signs that the Carlo Wars are back. At some point, Ian, you do need to tend to the inconsistency and incomplete arguments you are making.

We need to possess the ball to prevent opponent scoring opportunities. Splendid! And how do you propose we do that without a Number 10 in a way that doesn't sacrifice our defensive shape in transition?

Let me simulate Ian:- “That's what Dyche is paid to figure out.”

Brian Williams
259 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:01:19
Anthony #258.

At last, someone with a bit of common sense.

Nail on head, mate.

Duncan McDine
260 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:02:13
Ian, you must have worshipped the 'Phenomenal' one! He would prioritise possession stats over results.

I'd rather see us play on the counter with the players we currently have. Any decent manager who wants to keep us in the Premier League would do the same.

Geoff Lambert
261 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:03:40
It's a sad sign of our current predicament that we accept a draw at home against an average Premier League team.

I'm with Ian #257 on this one: 1-0 up and Dyche hangs on for dear life as if we are playing Man City or Liverpool. Our non-firing front line doesn't help either. Good job our defenders know where the net is.

Sam Hoare
262 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:07:15

“If we have possession the opponent can't score.”

What? Do you mean if we have 100% possession?! That doesn't happen often!

A little reminder that we had about 20% possession too when we beat Brighton 5-1 (probably our best result last season).

John Keating
263 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:07:38
Ian @254,

“If we have possession the teams can't score.”

Well, we did; Bournemouth did.

Sorry, Ian, that's absolutely nonsense. How many times have we seen teams getting hammered possession wise but then winning games?

As I said, and repeat, possession, passes etc mean nothing, only goals.

Every team should play to their strengths against a particular opposition. Based on your premise, we should have been hammered yesterday. We weren't, we made the better chances and should have won.

Dale Self
264 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:08:25
And another bit of logic cleanup duty: how the fuck is possession at any percentage relevant without translating into xG? Please note xG has been slated by the ones claiming possession dominance is key.
Chris Leyland
265 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:13:08
I see Forest are 2-0 up with just 30% posession. Good job Ian isn’t a Forest fan as he’d be fuming about those posession stats right now.
Dave Abrahams
266 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:17:01
Anthony (258),

And not just yesterday but repeatedly, whether we win, draw or lose, the inability to pass correctly and the lack of movement is still very apparent.

Rob Halligan
267 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:21:26
Chris, second after a howler by a World Cup winning goalkeeper. I’d say that should be an OG by Martinez, rather than being awarded to Mangala.
Jack Convery
268 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:22:50
Villa letting us down!!
Mark Murphy
269 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:25:11
I watched the game live yesterday in emotional mode. Having watched it again, I agree with many that our approach is overly defensive.

However… if we were a Sky darling team, we would have had two penalties there. One when McNeil was barged over, the other when Sharp – sorry, Dom – was dragged round by the shoulder.

We maybe didn't command the game but our game plan almost won it. More effective when we did have the ball as the shots stats testify.

I really think, if we had been Liverpool, Man Utd, Spurs, City or Arsenal we would've had a pen there yesterday. It's rigged!

Sam Hoare
270 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:25:45

That may be your opinion. But it's nothing more than that. There is no god-given right to win a football game because you have more possession. That's what makes the game so watchable. Different styles and tactics being implemented.

“What has our fan base become, accepting such negative tactics at home against a team in poor form in mid-table. Shame on those that accept it.”

Maybe you've been in a coma these last few years but we're a long way away from the '80s teams. I'll take negative tactics with better results rather than passing our way into the Championship and administration thanks. But each to their own, I guess.

Brent Stephens
271 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:27:40
Ian, do I get a response to my post at #256?

Your two comments that I've quoted in #256 are mutually inconsistent. Which one should carry more weight for Mr Dyche?

"No answer" came the stern reply.

John Keating
272 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:32:59

By your accounts, possession is everything.

A player who had possession and passes in abundance, played at the highest level, England international Ray Wilkins. I don't think he made a pass more than 10 feet, I don't think he ever made a forward pass in his career.

But there he was lauded as a great international. Stats mean nothing – only results.

Dave Cashen
274 Posted 05/11/2023 at 15:48:10
I must have watched a different game. We did not surrender the initiative. We surrendered possession. They are two very different things.

Dyche employed the same tactics against Brighton a few short months ago and we fucking mullered them.

Brighton have some skilled players, but they're beginning to get found out. They like to play out from the back, but they are not always that good at it. Dyche exposed this by allowing them to do it at their place and repeatedly ambushing them.

Unlike the last encounter when were smothered them and punished them, our press was slow and uncoordinated. When we did win the ball, our passing was woeful and we gave it straight back. These tactics are being slaughtered from all sides because they were badly executed yesterday, but they are the same tactics which were hailed by all and sundry at the Amex when the players were on it.

Brighton deserved nothing yesterday. Playing the ball around in front of the opposition may do your possession stats a power of good, but they wouldn't have scored if they played all night if it wasn't for a huge slice of poxy luck.

Ricky Oak
275 Posted 05/11/2023 at 16:18:02
I agree 100% with Mark Murphy @270. Rigged, corrupt or biased, take your pick.

Some of the battles that go on in any other games by any other teams, fouls not given, let alone cards. Everton, absolutely, for some reason, get treated very differently by all officials in every single game I have ever seen.

Scandalous, diabolical and disgusting that someone with authority at Everton doesn't highlight and continue to highlight this at every opportunity. Until this is addressed, we will forever be drowning in mediocrity. Only my humble opinion of course.

Even when for once we had a favourable decision, the referee from then on gave more against us at every chance. Opposing players actually scream, roll around, basically cheat throughout because they can – why is this allowed? Remember Niasse, proven at the time he got taken out, still either the only one, or one of two to be carded for faking.

Our team and manager seems to be hated by officials, commentators and pundits. I'm praying that soon this will be addressed because even Forest look amazing compared to us, simply because they're allowed to compete, tackle hard, and give as good as they get. Commentators, pundits and officials seem to like them and their manager.

Andy Crooks
276 Posted 05/11/2023 at 16:23:29
Ian Edwards,

Throughout the thread, you go on and on and and on about possession. Your posts @209 and 220 are utterly meaningless. You seek attention; unfortunately some respected posters are indulging you, and when you are called out to offer analysis, you just repeat the same vacant, unsubstantiated twaddle.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, again and again and again. But when someone calls it out for the dull nonsense it is, you call foul, flaunt your victimhood and run to the moderators.

Here's something you might want to have a go at. Put up an article backing up your concerns, with analysis. Explain the relevance of your posts. Explain why 80% should be refunded? (You won't because even you know that post was cretinous.)

People on this site aren't piling into you, you are not the lone voice of sanity, you are a single-issue zealot who would try the patience of Job.

Steve Brown
277 Posted 05/11/2023 at 16:52:43
To claim that there is no correlation between dominating possession and winning games is self-evidently nonsense. In an individual game it is of course possible to win without dominating possession, but over a season it will define where a team finishes.

Our average possession stats over the season is 40.6% - that ranks us 17th in the ranking which remarkably is just about where we are sat in the table.

Here are the possession stats for the Top 10:

Man City - 63.3%

Spurs - 61.6%

Arsenal - 60.5%

Liverpool - 57%

Villa - 52%

Newcastle - 53.1%

Brighton - 61.5%

Man Utd - 53.5%.

Brentford 48.3%

Palace - 41.5%.

Possession %s broadly decline in direct relation to league position.

Our lack of possession in games has put us exactly where we deserve to be - in the bottom 5 again. Yet someone normally sensible posters are somehow trying to paint it is as success - Perspiration trumps possession?

Our possession stats of 20% yesterday were an absolute disgrace and the only reason we came out of the game with anything was because Brighton are off form and haven’t won a league game for over 5 weeks.

Again, I am supporting Dyche as he has not had a pot to piss since he took over. But, Ian Edwards has a point on this one despite everyone trying to pile in on him (again).

We did surrender the initiative when we surrendered possession, unfortunately. So I suggest we stop deluding ourselves.

Kieran Kinsella
278 Posted 05/11/2023 at 16:56:22
Obviously it's good to use fresh legs but only if they're good. All the people crying about subs yesterday, who would you have brought in earlier and what's the justification for that?

Danjuma for Harrison? Did you see Danjuma v Burnley? Beto as a second striker? How would that have helped the midfield battle? We didn't have options on the bench to do the job needed.

It's easy to say “we should have done a, b, c” when you know the outcome was unsatisfactory but who's to say subbing in square pegs (and sub-par pegs) into round holes would have made things better?

And on the possession front, have you ever watched Gueye, Doucoure etc play? Any evidence they have the ability to crisply pass the ball quickly and accurately over varying distances?

Dale Self
279 Posted 05/11/2023 at 16:57:00
Steve, so why discount xG if we are to accept possession dominance as a crucial determining factor in the outcomes of matches?
Christy Ring
280 Posted 05/11/2023 at 16:59:30
Regarding all the possession Brighton had yesterday, we created more chances, and Dom and Dwight had two stonewall penalties denied.

Brighton's star striker Ferguson was replaced, Branthwaite had him in his pocket. They created very little, possession doesn't guarantee you goals. The deflection was the only way they were going to score yesterday.

We definitely need a midfielder in January; with Onana out, we had no midfielder on the bench.

Ian Edwards
281 Posted 05/11/2023 at 17:10:15
Andy 277. I have posted a number of times in this thread and each time has been in response to a reply to mine. So your personal attack is misplaced. I have been on ToffeeWeb for about 15 years and have contacted the moderators once. Can't recall why but think I was called a cunt.

When posters have a go at me, it's only because I'm right and they don't like it.

As for post 256 Brent. There are so many posts aimed at me and I can't see them all as I don't live on ToffeeWeb. The post you question was consistent. Dyche has only won 2 games when he has had more possession. That's why his teams are in the lower reaches of the Premier League. If he showed more ambition, he might win a few more. Not sure why this simple point is confusing you.

Steve above sums it up superbly. If a team is on the front foot and attacks, it will score more goals than one that sits deep and lets the opposition play.

It was Brighton. Not Liverpool, nor Man City, nor Arsenal. Brighton... without a win in 5 and midtable. Dyche was frightened of them. His tactics allowed them to come at us, resulting in a loss of two points.

This is Everton.

Mike Gaynes
283 Posted 05/11/2023 at 17:33:52
When posters have a go at me it's only because I'm right and they don't like it.

Exactly, Ian. Folks here have a go at you because you're right and they dislike you for it.

It definitely has nothing to do with your relentless negativity -- or your relentless condescension towards those who aren't as negative as you are. Or your sniveling about being attacked.

I can't understand it at all.

Christy Ring
284 Posted 05/11/2023 at 17:37:28
Ian #282,

Dyche's tactics yesterday became a lot tougher with Onana missing, we lacked pace in midfield, and it put us on the back foot.

Good to see you back on the thread, and some of the language used against you is completely wrong, and shouldn't be allowed. We are all entitled to our views without being abused.

Sam Hoare
285 Posted 05/11/2023 at 17:40:34
Steve @278,

Can you show me where anyone has said there is no correlation between possession and success? I highly doubt anyone has.

Obviously the very top teams with the best players can keep possession and do well. We are not one of those teams. Nor were Leicester when they won the league.

The point is that possession does not suit every team and does not win matches by itself. We are clearly not a team well-stocked to pass the ball around currently.

Our worst result this season:

Losing at home to Luton we had 68% of possession.

Losing at home to Wolves we had 49% of possession.

Losing at home to Fulham we had 41% of possession.

Scraping past Doncaster we had 59% of possession.

Drawing to Sheffield Utd we had 55% of possession.

I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy Everton being able to play better football and win at some point in the future but we are not there yet!

Mick Davies
286 Posted 05/11/2023 at 17:48:57
"xG blah blah, Noise blah blah, Hard Yards low block, on the grass" etc. About time he practised what he preaches and "Changed the story".

Whatever people think of Young, he's 38 and not up to scratch, hence the cards he picks up. Also, due to him being picked, we played a lot deeper, as Dyche obviously had the derby debacle in mind.

We have a 35-year-old coming back to hopefully take over from Young (surely a misnomer), while a young international player gets no experience in the Premier League. I'd prefer Patterson making mistakes and learning, than a has-been repeating his with no future ahead to learn by them.

Young should not be playing for Everton FC, it's a mockery that a man who was too old for a mediocre Aston Villa is deemed good enough for us – utter embarrassment.

Mike Gaynes
287 Posted 05/11/2023 at 17:50:43
No, Steve #278, it's not nonsense. Possessing the ball does not win games.

They are both the result of having more skillful players than the opposition. When you have more good players, you win more games in the long run. When you have more good players, you control the ball more. They both happen at the same time for exactly the same reason. More skillful players.

The teams at the bottom of the standings have less possession for the same reason they are at the bottom of the standings. Less talent.

George Cumiskey
288 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:00:33
Ian, the last paragraph of your post was spot on.
Andy Crooks
289 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:08:04
Christy, what language is being used against Ian that shouldn't be allowed? Call it out and report it. Ian would.

Ian, the only positive posts I have seen from you have been in support of your beloved Sam Allardyce. Check out the comments your hero made about Roy Hodgson.

Anyway, Ian, instead of sniping from the sidelines, put up an article supporting, with facts, your dislike of Dyche. I challenge you to do so. You won't because being a sniper is easier.

Mick Davies
290 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:12:12

Check back and see the moronic posts from Graham Mockford just repetitively slagging him with 'bollocks' 'bollocks' 'bollocks' – very childish.

And while I'm never one to back Ian, on this occasion, he is correct.

Roger Helm
291 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:14:00
I think Sean Dyche got it right – if you try to play an open game against Brighton, they will just pass through the open spaces you leave.

Our players are not technically good enough for that type of game. As it was, we created the most chances and were unlucky not to win.

George Cumiskey
292 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:14:46
Luton just showed what we are lacking in a counter-attack.


Mick Davies
293 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:16:21
Well, the Turkey-toothed chest-thumper won't like that.
Ian Edwards
294 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:38:44
Mike 284.

You see negativity. I see points where we are going wrong to try and improve. That is what Dyche should be doing in the dressing room after each game.

I think some people would prefer me to lie and say 20% possession and sitting on a lead is super tactics. It's not. Nil Satis Nisi Optimum still means something to me.

Had Dyche moved the team forward and attacked Brighton, I think we could have won.

That was two points dropped yesterday. Solely down to negative, cowardly tactics.

Dave Cashen
295 Posted 05/11/2023 at 18:40:37
The top teams have better players and will have more possession. The lower teams have less talented players so their managers have to find alternative ways to skin the cat.

Brighton murdered us at the Old Lady last season. They could have ran up a cricket score. Next time we played them, Dyche looked for an alternative way to skin the cat.

To understand the difference between surrendering possession and surrendering the initiative, look no further than this fixture. Dyche's Everton against Roberto's Brighton. In the two games, we have averaged 21.5% possession yet the aggregate Score is 6-2.

It's 10 years since we had a manager who sent his team out to boss the game. Our possession stats (if they mean anything), even under Champions League winners, have been poor.

Instead of berating Dyche for "disgraceful" possession stats, why can't we make the obvious observation?

Despite having lesser talented players, Dyche has the Brighton coach's number. Roberto must be on his knees in thanks for the poxy goal which gave his team an undeserved point. I would be very surprised if he ever gets another one against him.

Mike Gaynes
296 Posted 05/11/2023 at 19:04:45
Ian #295,

In your self-proclaimed 15 years on this site, the only times I have seen you be anything but negative and pessimistic towards the team on the pitch and the managers (excepting Fat Sam), insulting towards the fan base (post #257) and head-pattingly condescending towards other posters (posts #282 and #231) is when you're complaining about other posters not treating you with warmth and affection.

And in all those years, I've yet to see merit in any of your opinions. But that's not negativity, I'm just seeing points going wrong that could be improved after each post.

Christy Ring
298 Posted 05/11/2023 at 19:20:35
Ian #29,

We drew with Brighton who got an equaliser with a deflection. They created no chances whatsoever, despite all their possession and, in my opinion, he picked the best 11 at his disposal yesterday.

I can't fault Dyche, he doesn't deserve your total negativity.

Tony Abrahams
301 Posted 05/11/2023 at 19:53:15
I thought Everton could have attacked more, and I definitely thought we could have been more savvy in possession, except for one bit of very powerful play from Doucoure, coming in from the left that should or could have resulted in a second-half goal.

I also think that, if we would have tried to attack more, we might have possibly also played into their hands by helping to open up the pitch for Brighton.

Steve Brown
316 Posted 06/11/2023 at 05:29:31
Mike @ 287,

I understand that a better quality team with more talented players will retain possession better, create more chances, and place higher up the table. It is self-evident.

But that is not the point being made. We can play a counter-attacking game with less possession very well with 30-40% possession as we did away to Villa and West Ham. But to cede 87% possession at home to a midfield of Lallana, Gilmour and Milner (not Busquets, Iniesta and Xavi!) is pathetic.

That is either due to Dyche's gameplan or the players not carrying out his gameplan. I think the former as he came out for post-match interviews and expressed himself delighted by a point gained.

A bit more ambition in our play, Sean, please, otherwise we will finish in the table in a position where our ceding possession merits.

Anyway, I am boring myself now so on to the next game!

Brian Williams
317 Posted 06/11/2023 at 08:08:19
Mike #315.

A very popular, cheap and nasty (not unlike the comment) kid's sweet (candy) over here that has the most annoying TV adverts ever.

Dale Self
318 Posted 06/11/2023 at 14:05:55
Mike, gummy bears.
Dale Self
319 Posted 06/11/2023 at 14:17:12
Kieran, I don't like talking about people out in the open. I'd rather say it while they are present to keep me in check. I am with you on your main observation and I think in Victor's case it is timing while for Ian it is unmet expectation.

Ian is capable of sharp analyses with equally sharp delivery. I don't know if Darren would care for the comparison but TW does need that kind of voice and not just for entertainment. If I may speculate – hey man, it's TW – Ian could take his winnings on the wind-up, answer those questions from the respected posters directly, and further the discussion.

What Ian tends to do is enjoy the wind-up too much and lets the overall discussion down by doing some iterative Ian show moves.

I've had some non-negative interactions with Ian that carried considerable weight. Why is a mystery but I'm sure it has something to do with me ultimately desiring consonance in our community. Yes, I did write that out. Go figure.

Jamie Crowley
320 Posted 06/11/2023 at 14:41:15
All this discussion about possession and no one's mentioning that we had what (?) three games in six days?

Is it really that crazy to sit back and try to soak up pressure having played that many games in a such a short space of time?

Seems to me it's rather intelligent way of approaching the game?

I dunno.

Ian Edwards
321 Posted 06/11/2023 at 14:53:12
Hi Dale ,

I just give what I believe is an honest opinion. I am a "glass half-full" type of person and tend to use ToffeeWeb to get things off my chest. Some posters don't take kindly to it and I get the impression they get upset if I don't respond. I mainly only post at weekends as I work full-time. It's not deliberate if a reply is not provided.

This past weekend, many posters got a bit uptight and I couldn't keep track of them all. All I said was that having more possession was more likely to get us more goals than sitting back and letting the opposition attack (and score flukey goals). That to me is not controversial.

Another point I made which got a few fans moist was saying Pickford was at fault for the goal. Again, in my opinion, not controversial.

I did try to offer an olive branch to one poster who seems to despise me but the offer was ignored. I tried.

I do get the general impression that some people just don't like me and are ready to pounce on whatever I say.

However, we are all Blues and want what is best.

Rob Hooton
322 Posted 06/11/2023 at 15:20:14
Steve Brown.

Thanks for your post on possession and league position, appreciate you putting the info together.

I'd argue that, Man Utd and Brighton aside, league position is mainly gained from the following two aspects:

1. Wage bill

2. Money spent on transfers

I don't have time to collate the information now, will see if I can after work.

I'd like to see us play more expansive football, but I don't think we have the technical players required at this current time.

Dale Self
323 Posted 06/11/2023 at 15:31:35
Ian, thanks for the response and that is no small thanks. While I think you bring a lot of this on yourself I can see how it would be difficult to deal with when you are simply expressing yourself.

I’m not going to get into the evaluation of what is genuine. This isn’t really my call how you get on with others. I do hope you have taken what I said in a good way because my intentions are good here. I think everyone would prefer if you and I for example could exchange views with the historical snark attached without the friction becoming the show.

I will say that if you can’t keep up with mass responses take a look at your choice of voice in your posts. If you don’t have time for that you are being a bit careless. You can do the show thing without it derailing the thread. You do the spotlight well. Just learn how to land the plane when it gets weird when you chose that flight path. You do have some responsibility even though I admit you’ve probably taken excessive heat at times.

One last thing: it is a long season ahead so get yer fucking shinpads on mate!

Dale Self
324 Posted 06/11/2023 at 15:34:28
Jamie 320, were you touching your nose and running your hand over your head as you thought that? Agreed obviously.
Rob Hooton
325 Posted 06/11/2023 at 15:40:40
Our team on Saturday (only prices I could find are Euros):

Pickford – €28.5M
Mykolenko – €23.5M
Branthwaite – €1.1M
Tarkowski – Free
Young – Free
McNeil – €17M
Harrison – Loan
Gueye – €4M
Garner – €10M
Doucoure – €22M
Calvert-Lewin – €1.8M

Total: €107.9M, about £93M. Miles off most teams in the top half.

Brighton's cost about the same, but they've had a long-term plan and style!

James Hughes
326 Posted 06/11/2023 at 15:44:43
Dale #323 Excellent post and take a bow Sir
Danny O’Neill
327 Posted 06/11/2023 at 15:45:07
I take stick off family and friends. Some of my closest kith and kin shake their heads at me in disbelief.

We all have our views and opinions.

Palace at the weekend.

Barry Rathbone
328 Posted 06/11/2023 at 16:51:59
Ian Wright joining in the critique of Pickford and Young for the goal.


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