Brighton & Hove Albion 1- 1 Everton

Everton travel to the Amex Community Stadium to take on Brighton with the ever-present need to secure points away from the Goodison Park pressure cooker.

Injuries continue to be a nagging problem making things more difficult for Sean Dyche, who has found it hard to raise Everton's game in recent fixtures. 

Arnaut Danjuma is still out injured with Dele Alli's Everton career now effectively written off, while Andre Gomes is not fit enough for this trip. Niggles for Mykolenko and Doucoure appear to have been overcome with both being named in the starting lineup.

Ben Godfrey made a fifth consecutive start at right-back. Seamus Coleman and Amadou Onana were on the bench with Ashley Young, dropped in favour of Jack Harrison.  

Brighton kicked off as Hey Jude faded away, Everton in all firey coral or salmon pink. Everton tried the high press but Brighton went long to Adingra who won an early corner off Godfrey, headed clear by Calvert-Lewin but then headed behind by Calvert-Lewin. Rinse and repeat. 

Everton tried a counter but it failed with Harrison. Brighton tried again with the crossfield ball to Adingra, but Godfrey got it away.  But Brighton kept regaining possession and stifling any Everton plays. Brighton advanced and Wellbeck saw a shot deflected wide for another corner, cleared again, but not far.

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Adingra was played in again and won another corner, loose ruck in the 6-yard box Calvert-Lewin heading it clear not once but twice, Harrison again letting the counter lapse with a poor pass and once again, that wide ball to Adingra needed Godfrey's diligent attention. 

Welbeck almost got through, overkicking it as Pickford came out and missed it completely! Everton had hardly ventured across the half-way line by this stage, and could only work it all the way back to Pickford. When they did get forward, the Brighton pressure was incessant.

Brantwaite drew a foul that set up a deep Pickford free-kick, Trkowski winning the header but the second ball was lost, Brighton successfully playing out, Welbeck getting fouled. Adingra beat Harrison and Garner had to clear behind, Branthwaite heading the corner, but not far and this time Adingra fouled Mykolenko.  

Welbeck played a clever one-two and Godfrey had to interfere to save a certain goal. Dunk headed the corner this time, straight at a thankful Jordan Pickford. Brighton switched sides to Lamptey and Tarkowski had to stop this attack but the attacking flock of Seagulls kept pushing Everton back.

The Toffees were given a chance to attack through an advanced throw-in but chose to go back to Pickford for the almost aimless hoof. But then Garner played a great ball that almost released Doucoure, Dunk in quickly to tackle him at the expense of an Everton corner that Tarkowski headed at the far post, but away from goal!

Brighton went up the oythe rend and Adingra lashed one inches over the angle. Everton got forward but were dispossessed, Adingra running in to win yet another Brighton corner, this one after a vital interception by Tarkowski. Van Hecke this time headed the corner straight at Pickford. 

Everton went on to mount their best attack so far, initially through Calvert-Lewin picking up a loose ball, but it was mostly chaotic second and third balls that came to nothing and Brighton attacked again.  

Adingra was brilliantly stopped by Gana as he overlapped in much more space. A brilliant outball from Tarkowski was tracked well down the left wing and crossed in at pace by Mykolenko but Calvert-Lewin was the wrong side of Dunk who headed behind, the corner delivered generously to Verbruggen.  

Tarkowski went through the back of Welbeck as he turned, and straight into the referee's book, Welbeck needing treatment. Harrison tried to make something again, but lost the ball… again. Gilmour tried to find Adingra again but Godfrey read this one to head it back to Pickford.

A throw-in was signalled the wrong way, upsetting Godfrey and Dyche in equal measure, another free-kick letting Brighton reset for the next attack, Lamptey winning a corner off Mykolenko.  Dunk heads the ball down for Pickford to collect. 

But Everton still can't play out from the back, Tarkowski eventually playing a good Rugby kick into touch. Brighton got in a decent cross to the far post but too high to cause danger. 

Garner then fouled Gross as he advanced just outside the Everton area, and could have been booked for kicking the ball away on frustration. Welbeck launched it over the wall and the goal. 

Everton played a few midfield passes without really going anywhere, Gana putting too much on his line pass to McNeil.  What looked like a lovely passing sequence down the left found Calvert-Lewin who was this time the right side of him but the ball went behind rather than in the Brighton goal as the offside flag went up (wrongly) before the whistle went for half-time. 

Garner restarted the game for Pickfoed to hoof it upfield and Brighton to win the second ball. Brighton tried to build, while Everton accepted they would have to defend. Igor challenged Calvert-Lewin for an aerial ball and somehow Everton were awarded the free-kick as Onana came on for Gana after he overstretched. 

From Pickford's deep free-kick, it seemed certain that Everton would fashion a decent chance but nothing came of two promising forward moves into the 6-yard box, Branthwaite trying to play in Calvert-Lewin rather than going for goal.  

But the ball was given away and Adingra's cross needed Tarkowski's interception, at the expense of a knee in the face. Welbeck bounced off Tarkowski and Brighton wanted a second yellow, de Zerbi getting one instead. 

Brighton tried a different approach, Mykolenko getting a fine defensive flick ahead of Buonanotte. Everton countered and McNeil was brilliant evading two players and putting a superb deep cross right onto the foot of Doucoure, his superb volley goalbound and beating Verbruggen but there was Lamptey with an impossible goalline clearance that stunned Everton!

Adingra again tried to overlap and Brighton wanted a penalty but Tarkowski's arm was well tucked in. After a triple Brighton change, Duck gifted Everton a corner, McNeil almost found Onana at the far post but he over-jumped. 

Calvert-Lewin injured his back but eventually recovered without treatment. Another Brighton attack was thwarted but Everton could not break out. Adingra crossed in but Tarkowski was well positioned to clear. Everton got forward and it looked promising until Garner was flagged offside. 

Another Brighton attack petered out, with Everton perhaps happy to defend the point they had started with, although Beto given the chance to score in place of Calvert-Lewin. His first involvement was both promising and typically clumsy. At the other end, Ferguson shot straight at Pickford. 

A much more dangerous Brighton attack spawned two or three potential chances to strike, each blocked brilliantly by the Everton defence. Van Hecke then went in hard on Beto. Garner's superb delivery was inches over Beto's ducked head, as he misjudged it, and really should have buried it. 

Enscio came on with full expectation that he would inspire Brighton but in it was Jarrad Branthwaite who produced a superb left-foot strike off Godfrey's second ball out of the ruck at another deep Pickford free-kick to give Everton a massive, massive boost. 

The tempo of the match continued with Brighton doubling down but still unable to really fashion a dangerous threat to Picford's goal. An absolutely FANTASTIC challenge by Branthwaite on Adingra just as he was about to shoot saved Everton from a certain equalizer! 

Everton were still not very good with the ball, Doucoure labouring to feed Beto.

But then a perhaps crucial moment of the game: a straight red card for Gilmour after what didn't seem to be that bad a challenge on Onana, catching him just above the ankle as he twisted around. First sending-off aginst the Toffees? Are things finally changing?

Everton now sensed victory and had to be very disciplined in playing the game out. Ensciso tried to produce some magic but could only scoop his cross over everyone to Pickford. Doucoure brilliantly fed Beto who fought off Dunk to get in a shot but it was shockingly off target. 

Brighton came forward again and Fati's low shot looked for all the world like it was going in but Pickford dropped low to his right and incredibly parried it away. The Brighton pressure from 10 men was at its most dangerous all game. with a real scramble in the Everton area, a header by Branthwaite, a block by Godfrey. before Ensciso committed a foul. 

At the other end, Beto almost got through but then trod on Van Heke's foot, accidentally, surely? But yellow carded. A Brighton free-kick looked dangerous but came through harmlessly to Pickford. 

Another Brighton corner, another tremendous defensive header but it came back to Dunk at the far post via a clever Gross cross that Beto tried to stop three times but couldn't and the Brighton captain's header at the far post from the middle of a sandwich between Onana and Godfrey beat Pickford all hands down to steal a vital 2 points off Everton. 

But Everton were given another late chance when Lallana fouled, but Young's free-kick was clever enough. However, Tarkowsi found Harrison in space with a decent cross that he should really have buried but his shot flew across. 

Mykolenko looked to shoot very late on but it was blocked and that was it. Everton had survived the 10-man onslaught, but only with 1 point instead of 3. 

Brighton & Hove Albion: Verbruggen; Lamptey (60' Veltman), Van Hecke [Y:70'], Dunk, Igor Julio (60' Estupinan); Gros [Y:74'], Gilmour [R:82']; Buonanotte (72' Enciso), Welbeck (60' Fati), Ferguson (75' Lallana), Adingra.

Subs not Used: Webster, Moder, Baleba, Steele.

Everton: Pickford, Godfrey, Tarkowski [Y:33'], Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gana (49' Onana [Y:90+2']), Garner, Harrison, Doucoure (89' Young), McNeil, Calvert-Lewin (68' Beto [Y:90+1']).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Patterson, Keane, Coleman, Chermiti, Hunt. 

Referee: Tony Harrington 

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Steve Griffiths
1 Posted 24/02/2024 at 13:57:50
Harrison is in for Young. Otherwise same team with Onana on the bench.
Sam Hoare
2 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:18:35
A mistake to leave out Onana I think. He’s useful at set pieces and our best midfielder at showing for the ball and releasing counter attacks.

Godfrey at right back is also incredibly limiting. Makes our whole right side very easy to defend against.

It looks likely we may have to rely on set pieces once more.

Dave Abrahams
3 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:22:06
Is Dobbin injured, not even on the bench?
Brent Stephens
4 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:25:41
Well done, Eds.
Alan J Thompson
5 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:26:50
Sorry but he really should be starting with Onana. We seem to start either without an attack or without a midfield or is this an admission that he got it wrong last week.
Derek Knox
6 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:28:26
Not a lot of imagination in that team selection, as Steve and Sam said more or less the same team as Monday which was dire, to say the least. No Dobbin on the bench either. Hope my scepticism is proved wrong !
Neil Lawson
7 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:37:02
Let's hope the result proves us wrong but so unimaginative and safe. Onana is exactly the sort of player who should flourish against Brighton. Hoping we are safe at season end and that the new owners, if we ever have any, will shake Dyche by the hand, say thank you, and send him to a suitable job in the Championship.
Sean Kearns
8 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:38:53
Same team as last time out, because the same result as last time out will do just fine… no problems from me. More of the same please lads. Can’t please everyone I suppose, some people will always feel entitled to free flowing football and 2-0 wins 🙄 short memories indeed
Dave Abrahams
9 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:40:32
The suspense is killing me, did Danny get to meet Mark in the pub as arranged?
Rob Dolby
10 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:44:57
Given our squad strength the selection is about as good as we have available.

Onana being the only sub that could claim a starting spot after last week.

If you think we are bad to watch now does anyone remember Smith playing 6 centre backs?

Neil 7 are you expecting our new owners to unearth a fantastic new manager to turn our group of players into a top 6 team? Would you have settled for mid table given our last 2 seasons or should we just be going for the title year on year?

Coyb sit tight and hit them on the break.

UTFT ftpl.

Chris Jones (Burton on Trent)
11 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:46:43
Dave [9] I'd be keen to learn how many days elapsed between the original hearing and the points deduction being delivered, compared with that which elapses since the appeal hearing and the decision on it being announced?!
Clive Rogers
12 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:47:57
Onana changed the game last week but benched again this week. Odd selection.
Soren Moyer
13 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:51:54
Doesn't look good I'm afraid!
Ernie Baywood
14 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:52:16
Chris Jones, the commission's hearing notes say they were from 16-20 October and the PL released the news 17 November.

So potentially we've got a week or two to go if that's any guide.

Neil Lawson
15 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:54:59
Rob. If we do survive, do you seriously want to watch the same dross next season? There are any number of managers who have proven that you can get an enhanced level of performance out of, fundamentally, the same players. Its true in all walks of life.
Andy Crooks
16 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:56:08
Alan @5 and Sam @2, both spot on to me.

If Onana is ever going to be sold for the money we expect, he should be the first name on the teamsheet. Seems to me that this is just a wee bit too negative.

Kieran Kinsella
17 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:57:17
Lucky our late chairman negotiated that deal to bring in Patterson as our fourth choice at right-back.
Jay Harris
18 Posted 24/02/2024 at 14:57:38
Looks like Onana will be off in the summer. If you can't get in this team you would have to question what you're doing here.

Let's hope the lads are up for it and on the front foot from the off. COYB

Rob Dolby
19 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:06:42

I don't have a choice, we are all going to be watching mediocre football for a long time regardless of manager. PSR is killing the club, we won't be buying anyone next season either.

Dyche is getting the most out of the squad. I don't have a problem with mid-table performances after the last 2 seasons.

Ernie Baywood
20 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:16:36
I know that having the ball isn't exactly part of the plan, but it's just embarrassing watching us unable to pass the ball.
Clive Rogers
21 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:31:10
Reportedly looking at a Sunderland centre-back to replace Branthwaite in the summer.
Andrew Merrick
22 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:31:32
This is awful. We are not at it one bit. No Plan B. What the Fuck?!?

Only goals win games... for fuck's sake!!!

Michael Lynch
23 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:36:45
Brighton are everything that we are not. We look out of our depth in the Premier League at the moment.
John Wignall
24 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:48:33
Hard watch again… ball like a hot potato… very limited team.
Sean Kearns
25 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:49:08
Gueye is so polarizing but I'm not sure the pros outweigh the cons… defensively he is Makelele, offensively he is my nan.

Why can't he pass or shoot!!!!

Alan J Thompson
26 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:55:22
They have given us a football lesson in that half. Pass to men in space and move and occasionally play a long ball to one of the wide men.

And it only looks a matter of time before Pickford gets caught in possession as we try to play less hoofball without really having anybody creative in midfield where we look to be an idea and a man short.

Dave Abrahams
27 Posted 24/02/2024 at 15:58:29
Brent Stephens, got your message Brent, thank you, will try and get to see you next home game, I hope everything is okay with our friend.
Pete Clarke
28 Posted 24/02/2024 at 16:06:39
Frustrating football to watch from Everton and I'm guessing that Dyche does very little coaching on close control and passing of the ball so we slow it down and try to annoy the opposition. Maddening as a football fan.

We have however, had a couple of half decent moves and can only hope for any positive result from this bunch of bang average players. Even James Garner, who is a decent football player, is now looking ragged.

Colin Malone
29 Posted 24/02/2024 at 16:07:27
I've said it for a long time, we need a proper Number 10 — not a water carrier!
Nicolas Piñon
30 Posted 24/02/2024 at 16:38:26
Mark Ryan
31 Posted 24/02/2024 at 16:48:44
This is going to be a huge 3 points!!! UTFT's
Pete Hughes
32 Posted 24/02/2024 at 16:56:46
1-1 now ffs
Ben King
33 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:03:54
Mark #31,

How can you count your chickens before the final whistle???


Craig Walker
34 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:04:02
Decent point but feels like a defeat. Sick of Onana thinking he’s better than he is. We need some points back, urgently.
Brian Williams
35 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:04:17
Who'da thought we'd be pissed off with a draw before kick off?
Michael Lynch
36 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:04:50
Decent point, but hugely disappointing of course.
Phil Smith
37 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:04:56
If we had any balls whatsoever, we would have won that. Fuming with that.

Officials gave us nothing. Beto is a complete donkey. We can't make 3 passes out of our first third.

Just fumin'...

Kieran Kinsella
38 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:05:20
If we can avoid victory next week, we will equal our longest Premier League run without a win.
Paul Birmingham
39 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:06:19
A good point but dissappointing to concede so late into injury time.

Everton should have managed the game out and knowing they had 10 men, it's a vital 2 points gone missing.

Too easy for their cross for their equaliser. But all said, Everton can take positives and learn.


Brian Williams
40 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:06:49
Just waiting for the inevitable Iwobi comment. :-)
Kieran Kinsella
41 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:07:53
Iwobi scored, Brian. How we missed him today versus Brighton last year.

On the other hand, for the money he earned, he was generally crap.

George Cumiskey
42 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:07:59
We couldn't hold out against 10 men. McNeil was shite, Harrison was shite, and Young left on his arse for the cross.


Rob Jones
43 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:09:39
Usual lack of temperate perspective on the Live Forum. Somehow, the players and manager are all shit, but we also should have won.

Bizarre behaviour.

At least people are on there instead of kicking their cats, I suppose.

Michael Kenrick
44 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:10:56
Turned out the worst thing that could have happened for us was that straight red for Billy Gilmour.

From that point on, Brighton kicked up a gear and their attacks were a lot more dangerous until they finally scored.

John Wignall
45 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:11:25
Point. Better than nothing… but my god, we made hard work of that!
Christy Ring
46 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:12:42
Disappointed not to hold out for another 5 minutes against 10 men, Harrison should have won it, but would have taken a point from the start.
Alan J Thompson
47 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:13:10
At halftime with Brighton having had 10 shots to our none, I wondered when Dyche would do something and I did wonder if it was forced on him with Gana appearing to be injured. Then Pickford with another assist(?) and a great finish from Branthwaite, it looked like we would pinch it.

I didn't understand why Young was brought on and don't recall him doing much and I'd have thought that Keane and Patterson instead with Harrison being the other off would have been better as we tried to hang on to the lead. I don't want to be too critical of him but Godfrey again showed his aerial shortcomings for their goal.

Still, a point on the road that could have been three.

Brent Stephens
48 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:13:32
Dave #27 - good man.
Jeff Spiers
49 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:14:51
Where did all those minutes added on come from??
Steve Brown
50 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:15:32
Just sitting back instead of trying to keep the ball and kill the game. That one is really poor.

Don't know if it was due to the team's mentality or Dyche's instructions.

Ian Edwards
51 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:17:36
Totally wrong tactics after we scored. Should have kept possession with the extra man and the height of Keane would have been better than Young.
Brian Williams
52 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:18:11
Kieran #41,

I know he scored, mate, hence my post. :-)

Joe McMahon
53 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:19:43
Currently at York train station, guys, I've missed everything.

How did the forwards do? Was there midfield support?

Chris Leyland
54 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:20:21
When you watch the Brighton goal back, Harrison does a crappy little back header on the edge of our box to give the ball straight back to them from which they played it back out wide for the cross for the goal.

He had far more time. He also had far more time in their box at the end. Whilst he's a Dyche player in terms of effort, he lacks any real quality or finesse.

Barry Rathbone
55 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:21:22
Still on course to finish 4th from bottom which is okay for an outfit bereft of a proper striker amid a gang of journeymen.

Another good point.

Ajay Gopal
56 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:23:06
It was a colossal defensive performance until that heart-breaker. Pickford had only 1 other notable save (off Ansu Fati) before the goal.

The plaudits will go to Branthwaite and rightly so for his fabulous strike, but Tarkowski — what a player, what character! To play fearlessly for 60 minutes while on a yellow card when the whole Brighton stadium and players were baying for a second yellow, to go on and complete the game without giving an inch to the opposition was fantastic.

I thought that Dyche was brave this match – looks like the players were specifically instructed to play out from the back, and to do that at Brighton was commendable, I thought. Can't blame anyone – everyone put in an effort.

We clawed back 1 point each from losing positions against Crystal Palace and Tottenham, so us conceding a late goal is karma in a way. All these draws might just prove valuable at the end of the season, but of course Dyche needs to find a way to start winning again.

George Cumiskey
57 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:23:19
All we did after we scored was give ball back to Brighton, so having 10 men wasn't a burden.
Ray Jacques
58 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:23:29
A decent point, Monday night was the poor result. If we beat West Ham and get some points back, it will look a lot better.
We have 31 points from a poor team so I don't understand the vitriol towards the playing side.
Kieran Kinsella
59 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:27:36
Brian 52

I know you know. Hence mine lol

Lee Courtliff
60 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:29:26
Hard to say Brighton didn't deserve their equaliser, but a decent point in the road and Burnley suffered another heavy defeat, so it's a point closer to safety despite the agony of a late goal.

I must say, we are very difficult to watch for large parts of matches, but the attitude has improved immensely.

Rob Dolby
61 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:30:34
So frustrating again, we just can't get a win.

It's got to be a mentality thing, we are hard to beat but can't string 2 passes together against 10 men.

The ball has to stick to Beto when he comes on; otherwise, we may as well play Keane up top.

We are too nice to play against in the midfield and forward areas of the park, snide fouls, time-wasting and a lack of general shithousery probably cost us 3 points today. I can't criticise the effort – just the lack of game management.

If we had scored a late equaliser like last week, the mentality would be different, as it feels like 3 points lost today.

Pete Clarke
62 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:30:46
A point is important but really feels like we threw 2 points away today. First half was theirs but we definitely got into it a bit more in the second half and should have had a couple more goals. Beto should have scored but looks like Calvert-Lewin in front of goal.

Don't get the tactic of sitting back against 10 men when we started the game with a high press. A little composure on the ball would be nice from our team now and then. 😡

Sam Hoare
63 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:31:51
I would have taken a point away at Brighton as most of us would, but to concede an equaliser against 10 men in stoppage time is obviously disappointing.

Poor game management at the end and a notable lack of confidence.

We really need to pick up a win soon.

The good news is that, bar the derby, I'd say today was possibly our hardest match till we play Arsenal on the last day. Lots of matches we should hope to get points from but draws alone won't be enough.

Rob Jones
64 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:32:20
Jarrad's post-match comments are entirely on the money. Astonishing that we stopped pressing once Gilmour gets sent off.
Danny O’Neill
65 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:35:13
Disappointing… but not the end of the world.
Rob Jones
66 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:36:08
On the contrary, Danny. According to half the Live Forum, our players and Dyche should be boiled in oil...
Steve Brown
67 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:38:09
Everton goal-scorer Jarrad Branthwaite, speaking to BBC Sport:

"We put in a solid performance. We went 1-0 up and then they went down to 10 men. Then we sat back and invited pressure – them scoring at the end is frustrating.

"They are a good team, with 10 men they could keep the ball. We pressed all game, then they went down to 10 men and we stopped pressing – I don't know what happened."

What happened is that they caved in.

Brian Williams
68 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:39:32
Kieran #59.
Mark Murphy
69 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:39:41
Just got on the train - deflated is the word!

9 minutes though — NINE fucking minutes!!! Where did they dig them up from??

Paul Turner
70 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:41:50
I heard a hint of a whisper of a rumour earlier that the Bahrain royal family is looking to buy (or invest in?) a Premier League club – possibly Brentford… but, if the 777 deal fails – Everton.
Brian Williams
71 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:48:55
Well, Paul, I hope your hint of a rumour is correct!
Raymond Fox
72 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:54:23
Goals change games, when Brighton are a goal down they are obviously going to go all out to score and throw everything at us.

Players are tiring also when you have played 90mins, its a good point gained but its a pity we could not quite hold out.

We always seem to get smacked in the mouth one way or another, one day our luck will change.

Kieran Kinsella
73 Posted 24/02/2024 at 17:57:13
We've been crap at closing out games for years.

Remember in the Moyes era? We'd haul off Pienaar or Saha and bring on Hibbert as an extra right-back for 30 minutes?

George Cumiskey
74 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:03:45
Every other team, when the opposition goes down to 10 men, bring on an extra forward to stretch them.

But oh no — not us! We bring on a 38-year-old defender… good thinking! 👍

Dave Abrahams
75 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:11:49
I think that late goal from Brighton changed the whole outlook of how many fans looked at the outcome of this game.

Winning 1-0 at Brighton was looking good – even better when we had two good chances to secure the victory – so that very late goal from Brighton was a real kick in the plums.

A lack of composure and someone to put their foot on the ball and calm the team down or a bit of savvy to start spoiling the game might have done the trick. Blaming Dyche when there are players on the field who could have kept the ball away from the opposition and make them work harder getting it should have been the ploy.

The points are still trickling in; another two today would have been a real boost, even though plenty on here thought one was beyond us.

Chris Leyland
76 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:13:20
Having calmed down a bit and reflected, we've rescued more points in the last minutes in the past 2½ seasons than we've given away when we've battled back to gain some vital points, so we can't expect other teams not to do it against us from time to time:

Arsenal 2-1; Gray 92'

Newcastle 1-0; Iwobi 99'

Forest 1-1; Gray 88'

Chelsea 1-1; Simms 89'

Spurs 1-1; Keane 90'

Wolves 1-1; Mina 99'

Palace 3-2; Gana 86'

Spurs 2-2; Branthwaite 94'

Palace 1-1; Onana 84'

Christy Ring
77 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:15:14
Can someone explain to me how it was Beto who was trying to mark Gross on the right wing, and had all the time in the world to make the cross for Dunk's goal?
Nick Dommett
78 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:23:27
Branthwaite was spot on there – why we stopped pressing was just annoying and at the wrong time too.

I think Harrison puts in a shift but needs an overlapping right-back to allow him to go inside effectively. Godfrey, who played well I think, never did that, so offensively we are stuck playing long diagonal balls, with nothing down the wings.

Bobby Mallon
79 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:24:16
Dave 75: Well said. Too many on here had us beaten before a ball was kicked. A point was a good result for us in the end.
Paul Hewitt
80 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:25:51
Young on for Doucoure was a negative sub.
Sean Kelly
81 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:27:33
Dyche should have given Dobbin a run, he would have pinned them back. Unlike the geriatric Young, Dobbin has legs.

Dyche fucked up.

Mark Murphy
82 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:28:34
I saw a good all-round team performance against a decent side who score goals but, until the last dregs, didn't look like laying a glove on us. We were in control.

Their goal, then, was such a surprise in its ease and simplicity. How our defence just allowed that to happen confuses the hell out of me and, after the whistle, Pickford and Tarkowski were having a right ding-dong, so I assume it was about that.

Disappointing to lose after being so close but were edging closer to safety and yet another rebuilding platform.

Brighton are celebrating like they've won the league — we're gutted! UTFT

Rob Jones
83 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:28:43
My favourite take on this game is: "He's shit, he's shit, he's shit too, he's so shit, the manager's shit... wait, we should have won this."

You really can't have it both ways, and yet there are so many people on this site who think otherwise.

Rob Jones
84 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:30:50
Sean, you and a few other people do nothing but bitch and complain, both on the Live Forum and on the wider site.

You do nothing but abuse our players and manager, why are you even here?

Chris Leyland
85 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:31:09
Sean Kelly,

Dobbin would have had to be in the matchday squad for that to happen.

Danny O’Neill
86 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:34:46
Just leaving Brighton. Hugely disappointing having gone so close but we didn't lose.

We will get some of those points back.

Spirit of the Blues ringing out at Brighton Station as we boarded.

Derek Taylor
87 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:38:21
For how long can we afford two strikers nether of which are capable of scoring at top level – and I don't mean only in the 'money sense'?

Calvert-Lewin is but a shadow of his pre-injury persona whilst Beto is just about National League level.

And as for this manager's substitute and game management, I've seen better in Rorky's League! At least he will be able to claim Premier League interference when he takes us down!

Sean Kelly
88 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:49:28
Rob Jones,

I'm here because I've been an Everton supporter since the early '60s. I've seen some good times, as Old Teary once said, but I've witnessed the demise of this club over several decades.

If I see shit happening at this club, both on and off the pitch, I call it out. I celebrate when we win. I've celebrated when we survived in the last few years… but I will not celebrate mediocrity or less.

You can be a happy clapper if you like when we throw 2 points away again today but how long will that last? Will you do it in the Championship?

Asking me why I'm here is idiotic in the extreme when we all know, when you're touched by Everton, it never leaves you. Staying in denial of our problems will see Everton in the Championship sooner than you think.

Dyche has shown his limitations time and time again and relying on and playing very limited players like Young is crazy. It only suits Dyche's football philosophy which is way past its sell-by date.

Jerome Shields
89 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:51:35
Christy @27,

Beto was there to cover the left-back position. The left-back should have been covering Beto.

At least Everton got a point and will be out of the relegation zone and will stay there after the Luton game. I thought the team played well the second half, but poor concentration cost them.

Christy Ring
90 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:52:21
Some of the comments on here, and on the Live Forum, are totally negative, and the abuse Dyche and Calvert-Lewin get is completely over the top.

The same people reckon we're on our way down… so much for getting behind the team. The Live Forum is unbelievable.

Colin Wordsworth
91 Posted 24/02/2024 at 18:54:57
I find the criticism of Beto to be extremely harsh, he looked more dangerous in his cameo than Calvert-Lewin did all match. I could understand if he had had a run of 20 matches. and hadn't scored, but not the bits and pieces he is given.

I thought the manager did well today other than picking Gueye and Young, both of whom are treading water and no longer Premier League quality.

It's also time to bench Calvert-Lewin, not sure he'd even get in most Championship teams. Time for some reality — he is poor.

Brian Williams
92 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:05:16
Dyche was brought in to steady the ship. He was brought in to steady the ship of a poor squad with buttons available to improve that squad due to the club's total mismanagement.

He's got us far more comfortable than we've been in recent years in 12th position. Wasn't his fault we've had a 10-point deduction.

12th with this squad is a fair achievement because we're basically shit. It's not his doing that we're shit. We were shit for a good while before he came and he's had next to fuck-all to spend.

Kunal Desai
93 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:09:06
Disappointing in that, not for the first time, we conceded an equaliser against Brighton late on. The timing and manner of the goal conceded was deflating but, against as good an outfit as Brighton are, it's still a good point.

Hopefully a few points back next week — with the addition of some bonus points thrown in our way when Moyesy rocks up next weekend!

Steve Cotton
94 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:09:26
If we hadn't got our goal, imagine how low we would have felt losing in injury time from an unnecessary corner.

Apart from that, our negative football tells its own story. No pace, no quality on the wings, slow full-backs, no playmaker and a centre-forward who is unlikely to get to 5 for the season.

Yet still we all watch and watch in envy as teams pass us to death... Time for a couple of cold 'uns.

Paul Smith
95 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:16:26
Frustrating. Lampard was sacked after 8 without a win and we've just got 9 so the negativity is totally understandable.

Harrison made a half-arsed attempt to clear prior to their goal which increased the pressure on us. Wins are needed as we're breaking records for all the wrong reasons.

Mark Taylor
96 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:19:23
Not much new to see there. Same old, same old. At least we are consistent.

We are basically a very poor side. I'm not sure if the players are poor or the manager. Or a bit of both. We have some ok aydefenders but we can't pass the ball, basic skills are well below par.

Their 10 men looked like over-running us and by now, that is not remotely surprising me. We are also in way too much financial trouble to fix the problem; the best we can hope to do is survive, at least in the near term.

Relegation? Well we are blessed with 2 truly awful teams who are almost certainly worse than even us. But 3 go, and are we better than Forest, Palace or Luton? It says a great deal that I'm not sure we are.

I think our fate will be decided by the Premier League, both in terms of relegation, with the appeal and the new charge, and frankly, our very existence, with the lack of approval of the new owners.

Brian Williams
97 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:24:18
Mark, yes we are better than the teams you mention, well better pointswise.

People are naturally disappointed but we "have" won 31 points.

A lot seem to be forgetting that. We've actually amassed 31 points.

Dean Williams
98 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:54:41
Dyche is an utter wanker. Beto has a scarier first touch than Uncle Jimmy, and Harrison is a poor man's Preki.
Brian Williams
99 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:56:23
No relation I'd like to stress. 😁
Eric Haworth
100 Posted 24/02/2024 at 19:59:21
I agree wholeheartedly with Mark @82 because I too saw a decent all-round performance, topped-off with a tremendous finish from Branthwaite (Calvert-Lewin and others should take note).

That lack of cutting edge cost us dearly yet again, albeit it took some tremendous goal line cover by Lamptey to deny Doucoure a similar volleyed goal to last season's… fine margins?

Although I also tend to agree with Branthwaite's post-match summing up, as, just like him, I couldn't for the life of me comprehend the total lack of game management by not closing them down after they went down to 10 men?

However, football management doesn't get the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but I would still question our manager's decision to withdraw Gana, Calvert-Lewin and Doucoure and having them all absent from our line-up at the same time, which could've contributed to the lack of closing down, because you'll get little or none from Beto, Onana and Young?

Which'll consequently bring more pressure on the defence, and that's precisely what happened. Coleman, Kean & Patterson might've helped for that last 10 minutes? But like I said, our manager doesn't get the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, and I'd have settled for 1-1 before kick-off, so onwards and upwards and bring on the Hammers.

Paul Ferry
101 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:04:52
Stan Bowles RIP
Paul Ferry
102 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:11:48
Dean Williams 98:

Dyche is an utter wanker. Beto has a scarier first touch than uncle Jimmy, and Harrison is a poor man's Preki.

Incisive post: learned, articulate, piercing, constructive, intelligent, succinct, considered, sensitive, comprehensive, subtle, thoughtful…

And we even get the hilarious and smart "Uncle Jimmy" joke which I wish I had never read as my sides are still splitting.

Andy Meighan
103 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:15:22
Brilliant post by Sean 88.

If people are happy with what they are seeing on the pitch, then they really are deluded.

Monday night's performance was bad playing an under-strength Palace side, but that first half today was shocking – we couldn't string 2 passes together.

Admittedly we picked up a bit in the 2nd half but let's face it we couldn't have been much worse.

If we do get some points back, great so some on here need to stop saying we've got or we've earned 31 pts.

We haven't – we've got 21 points and that's down to the dickheads who have mismanaged our club in recent years.

Dyche is a 2nd-rate manager and that's why we're getting 2nd-rate performances.

Derek Wadeson
104 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:20:15
Paul Ferry (102),

I have just joined and by reading the latest posts first, I thought your opening paragraph was your thoughts!

My thoughts, once again the Premier League take 2 points off us as, by entering the final 15 (25!) minutes on 30 points, we could've gone forward in search of a second and an outside chance of a European spot.

But, by trying to make sure we don't get beat, we have to walk away with the one point we would've settled for before kick-off.

Dean Williams
105 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:21:35
Paul 102.

I've the full package buddy.

Andy Crooks
106 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:23:24
No need for further analysis. Dean has done it.

God almighty, how fucking embarrassing, Dean, was that post? Surely you can do better than that beaut.

Dean Williams
107 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:27:42
I couldn't do any worse, Andy.

And I didn't even mention Ashley Old.

Paul Ferry
108 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:29:56
Derek, so glad that you spotted that!
Paul Tran
109 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:31:41
Old mate of mine is a QPR fan. He told a great story of a preseason charity game, where Stanley Bowles had a large bet that he could hit the cup directly from kick-off.

Everyone wondered what he was up to, smashing the kick-off straight into the directors' box, Stanley celebrating like he'd scored the winner, which he clearly had!

Paul Ferry
110 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:34:28
Great stuff PT. I grew up with Stan and those flair players no longer fit in with the Premier League mentality.
Liam Mogan
111 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:36:40
There's clearly a lot of frustration amongst supporters at us not winning a game for so long. The delay on the appeal is not helping either. A Sword of Damocles that's influencing rational analysis.

As an away performance, today was decent. In fact, in most away games, we have been competitive. Seems to suit us. We battled, stayed in the game, gave away few chances and made a few ourselves. Doucouré was unlucky to see a great strike headed off the line especially. Superb finish by Jarrad.

Easy to blame Dyche (as a lot of people seemingly can't wait to) for the last 10 minutes or so. But the players on the pitch just kept giving it away aimlessly and dropped further and further back.

We don't have a great deal of quality but we should have had the bravery to keep the ball when they were a man down. The sending-off seemed to benefit Brighton more than us. There's a desperation at times across the board. No doubt made worse by our predicament.

The stick Dyche gets though, seems unwarranted to me. He has won 31 points in February, with arguably a poorer squad than in the last few years. Admittedly he's not the most progressive nor the most inventive of coaches, but I honestly can't see how anyone else would do better with this bunch. The previous couple certainly didn't.

Simon Dalzell
112 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:41:56
Spot on, Christy (90). Totally negative. Just like the manager and his tactics.

Gravel-voiced, dour, destroyer of the Beautiful Game. We are the new Burnley. Unwatchable.

Soren Moyer
113 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:44:26
Sean Kelly #88,

I am with you. It is the acceptance of mediocrity that is killing our club.

Edward Rogers
114 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:44:58
Stan Bowles, now there's a Sean Dyche type of player, not.....

Joking aside, I think Dyche is doing an okay job, just kills me to watch what's happening to our club, but we will not go down.

Paul Ferry
115 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:52:19
I agree with you, Edward and I also think that we will get a few points back. We will be in the top league for the Old Lady's last season.

The problem is what follows. I genuinely admire Dyche and he is the right person in this quagmire. But, to be honest, in an ideal world, I would not want him to be our manager. The qualities that make him the right fit now are not the ones that will take us to the next level. Maybe one day sooner than later we might be in a position where the days of survival first are behind us.

Soren, would you care to mention one poster on here who accepts "mediocrity" and perhaps, if I'm not asking too much, you could share with us what you mean by "mediocrity"?

Brian Williams
116 Posted 24/02/2024 at 20:57:50
Soren #113.

There's that phrase again "acceptance of mediocrity."

Acceptance by who exactly?

If it's by some on here, then I'd love to know what those who don't accept mediocrity are doing differently from those who do?

Liam Mogan
117 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:02:15
I would say 10-15 years of almost criminal mismanagement (in many many ways) are what has led our club to being in its current position. Not the acceptance of mediocrity.

One of the saddest things of the past 5 years has been the split in the fan base and name-calling as if some of us are bigger or better supporters than others. Nowhere more clearly than on the Live Forum.

I don't believe any of us on here are happy with our predicament. It's breaking my heart on a daily basis. I hate what has happened to our club.

Dennis Stevens
118 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:02:32
Acceptance of mediocrity?

I thought we were merely aspiring to attain mediocrity!

Soren Moyer
119 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:02:53
Certainly, Paul.

All of them posts thinking getting away with 1 lousy point today was a great achievement when we should have all 3 if it wasn't for bizarre game management by Dyche and his cowardly substitution when we were leading and Brighton were playing with 10 men!!!!

Paul Ferry
120 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:04:41
This is a pivotal moment in your ToffeeWeb life, Soren. Will you actually answer Brian's fair questions with thoughtful responses or forever remain a one- or two-sentence warrior?
Robert Tressell
121 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:04:49
Soren, if we all hold hands and renounce mediocrity, do we get our 10 points back and £250M to spend on players?
Brian Williams
122 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:04:53
Well said, Liam.
Paul Ferry
123 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:05:23
Soren (119),

None of that is accepting "mediocrity".

Ian Edwards
124 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:06:04
The acceptance of mediocrity set in under Moyes and has permeated the club. Every season, little Everton travel away and pack the midfield and defence. Play one up front and try and nick one. It's happened every season since Moyes made fans accept finishing 8th was acceptable on the basis we would never try and win away at a top team.

How many forwards in the last 10 years have seen their careers flounder after coming to Goodison and being left isolated with little or no service. The latest was Maupay. Brentford stick a player up front with him and he starts scoring.

I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth watching Everton managers pack the midfield with absolute wasters like Gueye and Garner and even Onana (who lost Dunk at the cross). How many goals and assists do we get from these mouth-breathers?

The formation is negative. It doesn't allow us to get sufficient numbers in advance when we attack.

Team selections are ridiculous. Young as a right winger when we need to beat Palace??

A central-defender at right-back and two fit right-backs on the bench.

No win in 9. How many goals from open play in that time?

The way results and performances are, we'll still be in a relegation battle even if we get 10 points back,

We are sleepwalking towards a season in the Championship where no doubt we'll play away at Rotherham with one up front, hitting it 40 yards, playing for set pieces.

The Everton I love is better than this mind-numbing, Stone Age, "little old underdog" tactic shite.

Brian Williams
125 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:09:53
And what have you done to counter that acceptance since Moyes, Ian?


Dean Williams
126 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:10:26
Being an Evertonian is like being in the movie Cocoon only without the magic pool.

Slowly getting old without any fookin joy.

Brian Williams
127 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:12:05
Well, I agree with you there, Dean. 👍
Paul Ferry
128 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:12:27
To be fair Brian, Ian is a skilled hand at moaning online. He is indeed an artist and admirably selective.
Ian Edwards
129 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:15:45

"What have I done?"

I'm not a player so can do very little. What an odd question.

Liam Mogan
130 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:17:48
Must admit it is a bit like watching Cocoon when Ashley Young attempts to put a shift in on the right wing…
Brian Williams
131 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:19:27
It's not an odd question in the scope of who exactly has accepted mediocrity. Some accuse us supporters of having done so.

If you're not one of those and you believe it's just those that have the power to actually do, or should have done something, in not accepting mediocrity, then the question shouldn't be asked of you and I take it back.

If you believe, however, that we the supporters have accepted mediocrity, my question stands.

Paul Ferry
132 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:23:49
I think, Ian, Brian is suggesting that you offer some sort of constructive response. What are your realistic suggestions to get us out of this "mediocrity"?

Your post, as ever, is the long line of doom and gloom observations that you repeat again and again. And, as usual, you come up with distortions or plain errors to try and make your points stick.

For example, it has not "happened every season since Moyes" and we would not be in a relegation scrap if we got 10 points back.

Brian's was not an "odd" question. That's simply you ducking, weaving, and swerving. It's an entirely reasonable question to ask someone who never does anything else other than criticise.

Tom Bowers
133 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:24:30
All-in-all, a better result than expected although in the end they should have held out against 10 men.

The usual frailties but certainly, with better finishers, it was a game they should have won.

The defense came out strong again although most teams are much better at bringing the ball out from the final third.

The big lads are saving our bacon these days and, after a couple of late point-saving goals of our own, we concede one that cost us 2 points.

Still, the signs are there that we are no pushovers and, if they maintain the solidarity, then we have every chance of getting a couple of places up the ladder in the final analysis.

Soren Moyer
134 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:25:28
Paul @123,

In my book, when you have no problem with the ultra-defensive, zombie football we're being served and our setup remains the same, no matter if we are at home or away, and when you think 1 point from a game like the one today is a great achievement – this is the acceptance of mediocrity.

Even Palace fans were asking for more, for crying out loud!

That is how I think and of course you, Brian, and many others on here can see the games in different ways, which I have absolutely no problem with at all.

Andy Crooks
135 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:33:26
Dean @ 107, cracking post... respect!!

Ian Edwards, I do admire your attitude. You get lots of abuse, and as you know, Ian, I have piled it on. But you take it all and never get personal.

But Ian, please answer this: How can I demonstrate my non-acceptance of mediocrity? What does that mean! Should I go to bed tonight without my Everton pyjamas on? It's milder, I guess but... Seriously!! What does non-acceptance mean???

Brian Williams
136 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:34:08
We all have a problem with i,t Soren. None of us see anything good. It's just that some of us see no merit in fucking constant moaning, bringing up the same things over and over again when it won't make one iota of difference.

If watching and posting make anyone that miserable, I'd advise them to abstain from watching.

Do you think the supporters of the 12-14 clubs in the Premier League without a hope in hell of winning anything, year-in & year-out, moan constantly? Yeh Crystal Palace fans recently had a go but generally they accept where they'll finish in the league but go, week-in & week-out, and rather annoyingly sing nonstop for 99 odd minutes, as do other clubs supporters of a similar ilk.

Yes, our football is shit lately but me moaning constantly won't change it; it'll just make me miserable and make even more people keen to avoid me. 😁

Paul Hewitt
137 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:34:29
Well, that was definitely 2 points dropped for me. We'd have been better if Brighton didn't go down to 10 men.

We went into defensive mode and just hoped to get over the line. We really should have got a second and finished the game off.

Paul Ferry
138 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:39:58

I can't think of anyone on here who has "no problem with the ultra defensive, zombie football we're being served" and, in fact, there are many on here who perk up when they see something other than the "zombie" stuff – as I did in the second half today before our goal – more than twice.

Well summed up, PH.

George Stuart
139 Posted 24/02/2024 at 21:59:52
I'm fed up with hoofball. It's inelegant. It's probably got a percentage number you can assign to it. It's dumb, fingers-crossed football.

We don't have players of the calibre of Man City or Arsenal, or even Spurs etc, but we can do better.

My feelings are vague but so is being "fed up".

Sean Kelly
144 Posted 24/02/2024 at 22:27:41
Jeepers look what I started with my “mediocrity” comment. Sorry Soren you took the hit.
Sam Hoare
145 Posted 24/02/2024 at 22:45:31
I think the style complaints, whilst valid, can be misleading.

And if we were winning more often and scoring a few more goals, then most of us would be pretty happy. Direct football, in of itself, is not the issue, I don't believe, as much as our current inability to put away (and sometimes create) chances.

The reality is that, any time we've attempted to play possession football, it's gone pretty badly, with the exception perhaps of Martinez's first season and a brief spell under Silva.

This current squad has been assembled with pragmatism rather than beauty in mind and it would take a bit of time and money to shift that. But maybe once we are (hopefully) ensconced again in mid-table mediocrity, and with new owners and a new stadium, that could be the time to make a change?

Personally, my hope is that, if we survive this season and more PSR charges, we may see a return of the confident and relatively free-scoring Everton witnessed before Xmas.

I have a dream that, with a fair wind and some more pace and quality in areas, Dyche might evolve into a British Diego Simeone, able to bring football that is pragmatic at base but also effective and watchable. Maybe that's crazy but there's been the odd glimpse of something better.

Certainly if he keeps us up (despite the deduction), I think he will have earned one more season to see if he can evolve things and bring in one or two more options up front to try and add some potency to what is looking like a defensively sound team currently.

Ernie Baywood
146 Posted 24/02/2024 at 22:51:22
I'm not sure what people are watching with Calvert-Lewin (or if they're watching at all). The lad has the hardest job in the Premier League and is working his bollocks off.

He's not going to get great chances in this team but he's chasing and throwing himself at everything that is being launched aimlessly up the pitch. And incredibly he keeps on doing it even when there's no-one near him.

Tom Bowers
147 Posted 24/02/2024 at 22:53:52
Everton have a solid gold chance of getting a win next week against the Hammers although they should have done it today. The Hammers are in a bad run and it sound like Moyes may be wanting to move on.

I think Calvert-Lewin will be missing again after hurting his back today unless he responds to treatment but, although trying hard, it looks like his goalscoring touch has deserted him.

Having said that, nobody else is setting us on fire up front.

Perhaps the warning signs were there early on in the season when we lost the first three games (2 at home) without finding the net. Sadly, the new guys have not stepped up to the plate.

Derek Thomas
148 Posted 24/02/2024 at 22:56:03
Robert @ 121; Only if you 'think blue, count two' as well.

(I seem to remember something about a 'red shoe' but for obvious reasons we'll skip that bit.)

Back on topic: Godfrey misjudged the ball, Dunk attacked the ball, Onana didn't... and he's well big enough to take on Dunk shoulder to shoulder.

Never a red card.

2 points lost.

I'm still... just... on Team Dyche — for now.

These are the breaks when you're near the bottom.

Rob Dolby
149 Posted 24/02/2024 at 23:18:29
Sam @153,

I think that's what a lot of people are clinging onto. I am happy to keep Dyche and would love him to morph into a Simeone type nasty bastard of a manager.

A couple of Arteta, Terry Curren, Kevin Campbell type signings in the summer may just lift the spirits enough to start building around our young core of players.

I can't see us keeping Harrison unless he agrees a big pay cut as he signed a long £95k-a-week deal at Leeds Utd.

Gomes and Holgate off the wage bill should free up enough to at least pay a couple of free signings.

I know it may sound daft but I think Calvert-Lewin is wasting too much energy chasing around for an hour. The little half-yard to beat a defender has gone missing from his game. I wouldn't mind starting Beto and let him run himself into the ground for an hour before bringing Calvert-Lewin on.

I also think Dyche needs to rethink Patterson's role. I want him playing right-midfield or even centre-midfield in the U21s to see if he can offer something there as he is currently 4th choice behind 2 old guys and a middle-weight boxer.

Colin Wordsworth
150 Posted 24/02/2024 at 23:19:38
I think it's quite simple, if our centre-forward scores from the umpteen chances he's had, we win games. He has missed a lot of chances.

The apologists for Calvert-Lewin are very loyal but really, would he get in Luton's team...?

Kieran Kinsella
151 Posted 24/02/2024 at 23:31:16

I think Calvert-Lewin has qualities but, save a flukey spell under Carlo when he scuffed in a lot of tap-ins, he's never been a good finisher.

He's a hard-working hold-the-ball-up type player but a poor finisher – kind of like Alen Boksic of Juve in the '90s or even Graeme Sharp from about 1987 onwards. But his heading — previously well above average — has been off the boil for a long time. Not just scoring but even knock-downs.

Yes, he hasn't had many views of goal but when they come you need to make them count if you're a striker like him who can't dribble, can't shoot from distance at all, and can't strike cleanly from close range.

And aside from scoring his knock-downs, second balls haven't been good enough either. He needs to pull his finger out.

Colin Wordsworth
152 Posted 24/02/2024 at 23:43:41

I've had a few discussions re Calvert-Lewin, and I totally agree with you, he played well with no crowds!

I think that Beto creates more problems than he does and is the battering ram we need. Just imagine the pelters Beto would get if he hadn't scored when he had played 20 games from the start?

Mark Taylor
153 Posted 24/02/2024 at 23:56:22
Brian @97,

I am talking especially about our form this season; we aren't definitely better than those teams. At most, we are slightly more effective. Our best performers are defenders.

This (and I mean the last couple of seasons) is the worst footballing side I've ever seen put out for Everton.

'School of Science' or 'nothing but the best is good enough'? You're having a larff…

Mark Taylor
154 Posted 24/02/2024 at 00:05:43
Brian @136,

Everyone deals with the appalling standard of football we serve up in different ways. Personally I prefer to be honest, even blunt. I understand others prefer to rely on hope and optimism, even in the face of the evidence in front of our eyes.

The reason we comment on here is 1) that we cannot easily let Everton go, however down (or up) we feel; and 2) it's a forum whereby people express their own opinions about the team and club, and some of those are critical and pessimistic and even if you demur, you can't possibly argue they are not grounded in the basis of some compelling evidence.

Kieran Kinsella
155 Posted 25/02/2024 at 00:17:13
Colin Wordsworth,

Good point. I was in the Park End when Bakayoko got his first goal after what seemed like an eternity but was less than 20 games in a dour defensive side (sound familiar?) and the immediate reaction from the people around me was “about fucking time!”

Dave Cashen
156 Posted 25/02/2024 at 00:48:00
Ernie. 147

You are wasting your time mate. Brian (and several others since) summed it up last week.

I didn't think we sat back, in fact I know we didn't. The game changed when we went 1-up. Brighton had to push more men up – that's generally what happens in a game of footy.

By pushing up, they left chances for us to counter and wrap the game up. Doucoure might have scored. Beto had three chances which would have been deemed as sitters by some had they fallen to our other target man, and Harrison had a decent chance near the end win it.

Better finishing might have won it. Better defending might have won it. Better game management might have won it… and my auntie might have been...

Dyche must be useless. That's twice he has taken Everton down to Brighton to face a formidable home team and he's only come back with 4 points.

Kieran Kinsella
157 Posted 25/02/2024 at 01:01:46
Dave Cashen,

Interesting, you kinda sound like a Dyche acolyte. Me, I'm just a 'horses for courses' chap.

Kieran Kinsella
158 Posted 25/02/2024 at 01:06:25

I agree on Dyche. There's a difference between pragmatism and bloody-mindedness. When Dyche had the luxury of a talented player in Cornet he used him to great effect. Much better than Moyes has.

But for 99% of his managerial career, he's been forced to be an alchemist. Assuming we survive, he deserves more time.

Derek Knox
159 Posted 25/02/2024 at 01:27:12
Dean @126,

Good Analogy there, they have been driving a lot of us Cocoonuts for too long!

As to yesterday's game, which I watched from start to finish without being there (IPTV Stream), I have mixed emotions. When I saw the team sheet, which was crying out for change from Monday, be almost the same, I feared the worst.

I was pleasantly surprised that we got to half-time on level terms, with a mixture of wasted chances (Brighton) and a couple of good saves from Pickford, I felt we needed changes as they are sussing us out, and it would only be a matter of time.

There was little change apart from Onana for Gana, and later (Bambi On Ice) Beto for Calvert-Lewin, and surprisingly near the end, Jarrad scored that absolute cracker.

When they went down to 10 men, I truly felt that all the ducks were lining up, and we would possibly add to our advantage.

The game and slender advantage were crying out for a positive attacking change, Harrison and McNeil were not even offering a 'widow's mite' — not a lot new there. I know McNeil has off-field problems, so why play him then?

Oh, no Dobbin (?) so the plan seemed to be sit back and let Brighton try and score against our superior numbers, and lo and behold, they did.

Now is that bad management from Dyche, a failure of our (limited) players to do the simple things against inferior numbers, or a combination of both – or just bad luck again?

I feel like Dyche is the best man for the current job in our meagre circumstance, the result of total mismanagement for too long, but his team selections, tactics and substitutions are driving me to feel otherwise!

Pete Clarke
160 Posted 25/02/2024 at 03:07:25
Brighton's players are hardly big-name players but their manager has them playing football. Surely there had to be a balance in your coaching methods but at the moment we are set up to frustrate the opposition. Watching the ball get hooded up time after time is plain embarrassing.

Football is a funny game though and, based on chances created in the game, I'd say we could and should have won that game.

Dyche's tactics are not nice but, whilst his defence is doing a great (often lucky) job, it's the attack that's letting him down.

David Currie
161 Posted 25/02/2024 at 03:44:58
Colin @153,

Beto has zero composure in front of goal, he has missed big chances away at Fulham and again today. For all his minutes coming on as sub, he has only one goal.

Calvert-Lewin has himself only 3 goals but is a much better player. For Dyche to start Beto, he has to take his chances as his overall game is not as good as Dom's!

Steve Brown
162 Posted 25/02/2024 at 05:39:30
The only people providing stability at the club are Thelwell, Dyche and his team.

The owner has left the building, the board is just focusing on the stadium completion, and the takeover is stalled.

To propose that we upend the club with 12 games left by sacking the manager is mind-boggling.

Alan J Thompson
163 Posted 25/02/2024 at 06:02:02
Why are some asking what mediocrity is? What do they think they are watching? It's welly it down the other end and hope for something to happen!

What can we supporters do about it? We can raise it in conversation, on websites like this, and hope that somehow the general feeling will drift back to the club, I doubt direct contact would do anything other than a standard, "Thank you for your correspondence" and get filed in the roundish wicker thing that's emptied each day.

I'd hope that somebody on the coaching staff might suggest we try something different or have an alternative playing style, a mixture of both that might make it more difficult for the opposition. Do we have the players good enough for something more technical? It doesn't look like we will find out anytime soon and certainly not from our junior ranks.

Some have asked what was the manager supposed to do when his players all decided to stop pressing and sit back in our own half? Well, what is the point of him standing on the sideline in the laughably named "technical area", just getting on the telly?

Still, shortly we will be given some points back on appeal but then find we get more taken off us for the second offence — and before somebody says that this would be a second penalty for the same offence, then maybe it is for not correcting the matter in the next season, which should be easily defended based on the timing of submission of the accounts.

Nil satis nisi apathy.

Matt B
164 Posted 25/02/2024 at 07:02:20
I was at the Amex yesterday. A couple of observations (not revelations):

Retaining the ball and finding more than a couple of passes in Brighton's half was a rarity. The midfield struggled on the ball because of the general lack of movement from those who don't have the ball. Harrison and McNeil are gifted ‘ball players' but with the lack mobility, this is rendered largely redundant.

Branthwaite, Tarkowski, Godfrey, and Mykolenko are very good and carried the team yesterday. Branthwite bringing the ball out of defence has the potential to be another attacking (regular) option.

Some people will agree and some won't… Calvert-Lewin hinders our play and encouraged Brighton to (rightfully) ignore our attack, concentrating on their own play. The timing of Calvert-Lewin's leap to meet long balls is great but that's it. The effort to hassle defenders wasn't there. Possibly because he's not able to anticipate even the most obvious chances but at the back, Brighton were safe as houses in possession.

Beto was a different proposition. He's as clumsy as hell but his effort makes Dom look like he doesn't care. Beto tries – and if you try, things will happen. We've got the foundations in defence. If we can give the opposition more to think about up top, it's a ‘game changer'.

And finally, our away support is immense. Simply brilliant.

Steve Brown
168 Posted 25/02/2024 at 07:56:06
What we think we are watching is poor football from a terrible squad due to disastrous decisions made by the board and leadership since 2016.

The net spend on the squad in the last 2 seasons is –£59M due to the financial problems. We are 18th in terms of net transfer spend over the last 5 seasons. That has consequences which have been played out on the pitch for the last 3 seasons.

For those claiming many Everton fans are accepting of mediocrity, don't care or are apathetic about the team's performances – try watching the team with at least some linkage to reality in your mind.

Sam Hoare
170 Posted 25/02/2024 at 08:21:28
I think what some fans are accepting of at times is reality rather than mediocrity.

The reality is we have been terribly run as a club by Moshiri with much money spent on average players and quickly changing managers with no continuity of style.

The reality is that we have a thin squad of players with some of our best attacking players sold over the last two seasons.

The reality is that we were nearly relegated for the last 2 seasons.

The reality is we have a 10-point deduction that is not the responsibility of the current manager or players.

The reality is that we're the only team not to get a penalty in the Premier League and have been on receiving end of more than a few dubious decisions.

That is the reality of Everton right now and obviously places limitations upon what we can achieve. That is why a decent amount of fans would take 17th if you offered it to them now. But it doesn't mean we're happy with it. It doesn't mean we don't want new owners to run this club properly and an improved squad of players to get us up the table.

I don't think it's at all helpful or fair to turn on other fans for ‘accepting mediocrity'; we all want better things but let's not kid ourselves about where we're currently at.

Ian Bennett
171 Posted 25/02/2024 at 08:25:36
Game management.

5th minute of injury time and Tarkowski leaves Dunk to Godfrey. He's their main heading goal threat and they're desperate with 10 men. It's not rocket science to get him or Branthwaite on their main threat, is it. Or even bring Keane on to finish the job.

Michael Kenrick
173 Posted 25/02/2024 at 08:31:16
Hi Matt @165, thanks for your observations of the game that seemed well on point to me.

I should warn you, however, that such shocking and vile abuse of Dominic Calvert-Lewin will not be tolerated by some in this parish. Just saying…

Ian Pilkington
174 Posted 25/02/2024 at 08:37:27
Sam @171,

I agree with all of your points, but do not forget that Moshiri, whilst injecting millions into the club, allowed Kenwright and his lackeys to actually run it.

Dean Williams
175 Posted 25/02/2024 at 08:51:16
Simply put, it's poo football, coached by a poo manager, and a team with lots of poo players.
Dave Abrahams
176 Posted 25/02/2024 at 08:59:40
Michael (174),

Of course Matt's point of view @ (165), would align with yours as you don't rate Dominic which is fair enough but to rate Beto a better and more active proposition than Calvert-Lewin is going a bit far in my opinion.

Michael Kenrick
177 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:06:50
Got me banged to rights there, Dave. I accept your vile and personal abuse in this instance.

I hold my hands up: Beto really isn't all that good. It was a clear case of confirmation bias in full flow.

Mark Murphy
178 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:07:23
I don't get this “accepting mediocrity” stuff? I was there again yesterday with our full allocation again of 3,000 and saw a close contest between a free-flowing attacking team and a tight defensive counter-attacking team and it ended all square.

We needed stability after two seasons of relegation battles and Dyche has made us the 3rd or 4th best defensive team in the Premier League. He's found a formula that makes us hard to beat. Yes, I accept that.

I hope that one day we can find the midfielders who can complement that defence and add attacking menace but, at the moment, we have what we have: 2 battlers who can't pass and a thoroughbred who is playing within himself. Plus one winger who works hard but can't pass and one who is off his game at the moment.

Yesterday “could have” been another 5-1. I was there last season and we played similar but Brighton went kamikaze after our early goal and let us counter-attack at will. Yesterday, we didn't score early and Brighton played their own game.

The general feeling after the game was that a point was fair enough but we were gutted we hadn't hung on. Brighton celebrated like they'd won something (they never have) and we looked at the floor and muttered about 9 minutes.

For me, we need a winger with an end product to replace Harrison. We need at least one midfielder who can collect the ball from defence, turn and find a blue shirt (a quarterback) and give Patterson an extended run at right back to work his way in that formidable defence.

I get the feeling that “accepting mediocrity” actually means “agreeing with the downright negativity of certain regular posters on here”. Or would they rather we stopped turning up at games?

I don't ”accept mediocrity” but I do see what's necessary and what in reality is achievable with this squad and I am not qualified enough to challenge Sean Dyche on that.

I will also continue to turn up for as many games as I can get a ticket for to support the team we have and try to encourage them to keep fighting relegation. UTFT!

Jerome Shields
179 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:19:18
Everton on the whole played well yesterday. They were better than Brighton in the first half. Defensively sound and did have chances. Calvert-Lewin did get into position better than previously, but forward finishing was poor, although one attempt was headed off the line. They improved more in the second half.

Onana was a worthy replacement for Gana, who was slightly below par. McNeil and Harrison managed to get forward more from their defensive duties and Branthwaite's finish was first class. They looked comfortable.

Gilmour getting a harsh red card affected their organisation and a lapse in concentration resulted in a equaliser. Brighton had a header between two defenders in the first half which Pickford saved, this time, it was beyond them.

A point will count in the end. Everton are not mediocre or going to be relegated on that display, I am sure.

Phil Lewis
180 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:26:05
We are awful, it's as simple as that. Obvious positives: Pickford and Branthwaite. The rest? Average to very poor.

We face relegation again. It could happen at Goodison on the final game of the season. If the derby match is moved because of Liverpool's fixture congestion, imagine the nightmare scenario of them sending us down on our own soil and being crowned Premier League champions in the process? It is a distinct possibility. In my humble opinion, Sean Dyche's current tactics will not prevent such a horrific occurrence.

Yes, the squad is threadbare, but it is insane to believe that continually playing a tactical formation that produces so few goals will bring us anything other than ultimate failure.

Put Calvert-Lewin in most other Premier League teams and he would score goals. I firmly believe that. Pele would struggle in this Everton set-up.

Sadly Harrison, for all his endeavour and occasional trickery, is lacking the ability to read a game or pick a simple pass. McNeil drifts in and out of games. We cannot afford to employ both of these players in the same team. It doesn't work.

For me, the return of Gomes can't come soon enough. He is possibly the only player in the squad with the quality and vision to unlock defences and deliver the killer pass.

I believe we can get more out of the meagre resources at our disposal, but it means being more adventurous, pressing with precision, and abandoning these continual containment plus route one tactics, where Calvert-Lewin's main provider is Jordan Pickford.

Einstein was credited with saying that insanity is repeating the same excercise and expecting a different result. Take note, Mr Dyche.

Anthony Hawkins
181 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:47:08
Our season will depend on two things. The main influence will be if Luton rally and start winning games. If they do, then I don't think anything else will matter much. We'll likely go down.

The other is the second PSR charge. Even if we get a few points back, the second charge, along with Nottingham Forest also being charged, means we'll likely be in the Bottom 3.

If we can't win games, we're done — and that's in our own hands.

Matt Butlin
182 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:49:05
Thanks, Micheal.

I fully anticipate a shoe'ing from some people re my Calvert-Lewin comments. But… I think he's just not good enough. Effort, ability. Probably more too.

Jason Li
183 Posted 25/02/2024 at 09:52:25
Not great to watch. But Is there a more effective manager available who would be first in the queue if Dyche left?

As just someone who watches football and loves the game, my observation is that the team don't know how to help the attacking players get more end product or be more dangerous in the final third if they are not shooting at goal.

What I mean is, it may not be possible to feed the striker to shoot or head at goal in an optimal position from every pass or punt. So why not have an instant Plan B where the strikers are found in a place where they can affect the game in the final third and at least have a very good chance of retaining possession to build on?

My only gripe in the game are the punts that go direct to the opposition keeper so many times. Is it possible for Pickford to not always try to put Dom through directly on goal, or the centre-backs not to hit it for Dom to try to win his own flick-on and score?

The direct punt leading to a run on goal hasn't happened consistently this season so why not have Dom run towards a few yards to the side of the penalty box, with a slightly more diagonal ball that curls away a bit from the penalty box?

Whether he wins the flick or not, at least the keeper has to decide whether to kick for a throw, which is kind of like end product, or find a pass if it's outside the box which may result in an interception.

This might be a bit like American football where you gain a first down outside the touchdown zone. Just get a direct ball to an area where possession can be won outside the box where the keeper can't handle it, because a lot of the long balls roll to the other keeper to dictate play.

Reduce that by 10 times a game where the other keeper just simply picks up the ball at the edge of his box might make it much more effective for the punt, and a lot more entertaining to see how the keeper manages getting chased down outside his box.

Beto, definitely not got a touch like Messi. But he does has an attribute where he can roll a player, like Lukaku, and face goal. Again, no need to always play him in directly on goal, just play him into space where he can have the ball facing the defence.

There was a moment down the left where he skinned the defender and got taken out, the defender a yellow card plus a free kick. Great end product. These little things help towards scoring a goal in the future.

Defensively, very sound. Not going to complain about the Dunk goal as he's one of the best in the league at out-jumping players and scoring headers. A bit like complaining someone was not stopping Harry Kane.

Derek Knox
184 Posted 25/02/2024 at 10:15:56
Mark @ 178, while I agree with most of your points regarding us, in this beleaguered position, brought about about by years of mismanagement.

I still don't agree why from a winning position (yesterday) and with the clock running down, does Dyche not have any attacking options on the bench, and the 'come and catch us' attitude, when we could have at least got the ball in their half, and made it difficult, for ten men to encroach into our half?

Having said that, I didn't honestly think we would get much before the game kicked off, after that team was announced, but to blow a slender lead against 10 men to me was criminal!

Mark Murphy
185 Posted 25/02/2024 at 10:29:49
Oh I'm fully with you there, Derek. When Young came on, my heart sank! But I guess Dyche thought we had the points so he wanted to protect them against the inevitable onslaught to come.

Personally, the way the defence had performed up until then, I can understand that… but I would have been much happier if he'd brought on Keane rather than Young.

Anyway, as I've said many times, Sean Dyche knows infinitely more about managing this team than I do and is paid to make those decisions. If we'd held on, he'd be doing a YouTube about a Masterclass, but our defence blinked and we got punished.

Another little point from me. People keep urging Dyche to make changes. The last two games he's made changes and we've conceded shortly after. I think Dyche trusts his first 11 to be fit enough not to need changes after 60 minutes and, given that we don't have quality on the bench, I can sort of understand that.

The exception for me is Young, who should be subbed off after 2 minutes!

Derek Knox
186 Posted 25/02/2024 at 10:53:52
Subbed after 2 minutes? That would mean he was on from the Start or was already sub?
Mark Taylor
187 Posted 25/02/2024 at 12:21:25
I think Sam @170 nails the 'mediocrity' point. I'd grab your hand off for 17th right now. But I'm not happy about feeling I need to.
Dave Cashen
188 Posted 25/02/2024 at 12:22:05
Kieran Kinsella @157,

That Artificial Intelligence you use has got you confused again, son.

"Dyche acolyte"? HaHaHa. I uttered one sentence in his defence.

You should get yourself over to the thread dedicated to Dyche. Some of the most respected and knowledgeable posters on this website are posting an awful lot more than me in his defence.

Get on there and tell them you think they are all acolytes.

Who knows. one of them may even be interested in your shrewd football observations.

Edward Rogers
189 Posted 25/02/2024 at 12:31:46
Dave Cashen, hope you don't mind me asking (and feel free to tell me to mind my own business) but did you work in Pwllheli around 1983-85?
Andrew Clare
190 Posted 25/02/2024 at 12:39:24
17th is fine for me. Then, in the summer, we can rebuild.

Beto is probably better than he looks at the moment. It's a big change going from Serie A to the frantically paced Premier League. Players barely have a moment on the ball before they are bundled over in our league.

The way we are set up is a nightmare for our strikers. We just don't get enough players forward.

Ian Edwards
191 Posted 25/02/2024 at 12:45:54
Ian Bennett 171.

It was actually Onana that was picking up Dunk when the free kick was being prepared. As soon as it came across, Onana left Dunk who came from behind Godfrey. Fault clearly with Onana.

Derek Knox
192 Posted 25/02/2024 at 12:54:41
Edward, hope if it's Yes, he doesn't say as Redcoat ! :-)
Christy Ring
193 Posted 25/02/2024 at 13:10:56
Regarding Young, whether he was the right sub or not, he made a superb tackle in a scramble in the area, to deny Brighton.

I agree with an earlier comment that Calvert-Lewin would score goals in most Premier League teams. Our set up is totally lacking attacking football. When you see Pickford constantly kicking balls up to Calvert-Lewin, who has to go after his own flick-ons.

Our full-backs don't support our wingers, Dom is constantly running all over the field, instead of staying around the box, and that's the way Dyche wants him to play.

We're lacking a playmaker in midfield, hopefully Gomes is near a return, because our midfield is no threat going forward, and Calvert-Lewin is getting no support whatsoever in our formation, and doesn't deserve all the criticism he gets.

Ian Edwards
194 Posted 25/02/2024 at 13:37:53
Paul Ferry. I'll let you respond on my behalf. You sit on tenterhooks every week waiting for my posts so you can get your dose of catnip.

I'm not afraid to give an opinion. It's my opinion and whether it is right or wrong is not important. It's my view. You have little to say other than sniping from the sidelines in a boring, condescending trail of dribble.

As for next week. I would play a front three of Chermiti, Calvert-Lewin and Beto with a midfield of Onana, Harrison and Garner.

Edward Rogers
195 Posted 25/02/2024 at 14:11:54
The Dave Cashen I remember was DEFINITELY not a Red-coat, a quiet guy, but one you certainly wouldn't want to upset, lovely bloke.
Dave Cashen
196 Posted 25/02/2024 at 14:18:36
Spot on about that Young challenge Christy. if we are going to criticise a player,we should give him praise for the good things he does too.


I wish mate. It would have been a bit different to staying in the same job for most of my working life


Good post Andrew. We are in a struggle. We cannot change personnel. I know you are not accepting mediocrity, just the reality of now. I like that you are holding out for a brighter future. 17th isn't great, but it gives us the chance to fight another day.

Derek Taylor
197 Posted 25/02/2024 at 15:06:43
If, as I believe, relegation is a certainty, would it be better to suffer the indignity this season or next?

My view is it would be as well to clear up all the financial mess now and focus on establishing a Championship winning side fit and ready to storm into the new stadium as we return to our rightful place in the Premier League having won something.

Having said that, I can't see this manager and his crap side ever winning anything!

Bill Gall
198 Posted 25/02/2024 at 15:08:56
I think the argument over Dyche could be explained in 2 comments. 1 Did we want a manager like Dyche, answer no. or 2, Did we need a manager like Dyche answer yes.
Dyche has proved that he is a mid table or higher manager with the players he inherited and shrewd transfers.. This can be seen when you look at the defensive record with only the top 3 who have been well established over the years having less G/A than Everton. He is slowly bringing stability in the playing side of the club despite the unstable position at Board and Ownership level.
I don't agree with some decisions he makes Why ?
well I am a supporter since 1954/55 and its my opinion, even if I don't see them training and what different formations they practice for different situations in a game, its just my opinion.
There are other supporters who disagree with my opinions but unless I can prove it with facts I just except without confrontation, that is their opinions that in their mind is correct.
Sometimes ignoring people means more than arguing with them.
Soren Moyer
199 Posted 25/02/2024 at 15:09:29
From what I've seen, Beto gets past the opponents' right backs with ease. That's why I would seriously consider playing him on the left wing as an experiment.

He is a lot pacier than McNeil who is probably the slowest player in the Premier League!

Will Mabon
200 Posted 25/02/2024 at 15:20:10
"17th is fine for me. Then, in the summer, we can rebuild."

"We know a song about that, don't we, Billy?"
"Yes, Johnny."

Andy Crooks
201 Posted 25/02/2024 at 15:36:33
Derek Taylor, why, unless you have inside information that we will be deducted more points, would you think that we are certain to be relegated?

This manager and his crap team, which you support but hold in contempt, have earned enough points to make us safe already.

Bookmakers, who I suggest know a hell of a lot more about it than you, have three teams at much shorter odds to go down. So why do you post such unsubstantiated bollocks?

Why don't you go to your local bookies and fill your boots? Then, as well as being able to gloat that you were right, you'll be quids in.

I suppose you get something from posting that stuff, so fair play to you. I think you are wrong but, even if I shared your belief, I wouldn't be proudly posting it on here.

There is some decent analysis on this site about Dyche's shortcomings. Not from you, though.

Jerome Shields
202 Posted 25/02/2024 at 15:44:53

I think Beto has to concentrate on his Centre Forward role. He needs to score.McNeill has defensive duties and in defensive set up, his supporting Full back is not able to get up in support. Both McNeill and Harrison could improve on crossing, but they have been told to shot. I remember one perfect cross from the right wing in the second half , but alas the anticipatory play was lacking to get on the end of it.

David Hallwood
203 Posted 25/02/2024 at 16:01:32
Although I'm a big fan of Onana, and he's got a huge future in the game, I'm still waiting for him to boss a game, to run the midfield, and I haven't seen it yet; not even in small bursts.

Yesterday was an opportunity to do it, we were 1-0 and they were down to 10, they shouldn't have got within 20 yards of our box, but there we were hanging on by the fingertips.

Yes he's only young, but I witnessed a 17 year old Cesc Fabregas boss the midfield on his debut, I think they beat us 4-0. OK he was in an exceptional team but how about a 19 year old Billy Kenny who performed the same feat in the derby; so the young guns can do it.

I'm not saying we deserved to win but it was so frustrating to have the win snatched from us deep into injury time. So here we are just about go into March, still waiting for our first win. It's enjoyable this Evertonian lark innit?

Brian Wilkinson
204 Posted 25/02/2024 at 16:13:34
Like another poster has said Ian Edwards on large parts come in for stick, quite a bit justified, but I agree 100% with one of your earlier post, why when we were 1 nil up and took Doucoure off, did we not put Michael Keane up there instead of Young, at least then we had a better chance of getting the ball up high and also offer some support to Beto, against 11 I could partly justify the sub, but against 10 it gave us a free hit of turning them round and away from our goal.

Also like Christine pointed out, how the hell was Beto out wide marking their player who turned him twice and the delivered the cross for the goal.

We only have ourselves to blame, not the fans but the Manager and players, you simply do not invite 10 men to keep coming at you, as they say the best form of defence is attack, sadly we just sat back and gave them
The opportunity to come at us.

Derek Taylor
205 Posted 25/02/2024 at 19:26:06
Dyche is the first Everton manager to be specifically charged with avoiding relegation. When Moyes moved on, his successor was expected to improve on his 'boring 8th' — although since then, every successive leader has found his target is reduced until Premier League survival is to be deemed success.

Why, then do some TWs see it as a crime to comment honestly on the shit we are now in? Generation upon generation gave Bill Kenwright the benefit of the doubt regarding his guidance of the Club whilst inadequate directors were tolerated year after year.

Will the same optimists see 6th in the Championship worthy of celebration? You bet they will, because the 'loyals' who let us get to this all-time low will just move the goalposts yet again (downwards) and call us realists disloyal!

Dave Lynch
206 Posted 25/02/2024 at 19:54:43
Derek @205.

Can you imagine if this was happening to the other lot across the park...

They would have run Kenwright out of town years ago, that's the difference between us and them, we bought into the bullshit and lies they do not, AKA Hicks and Gillette.

They demand success, we accept mediocrity.

Robert Tressell
207 Posted 25/02/2024 at 20:10:26
Derek # 205,

I certainly agree that the mismanagement by Kenwright (which got extremely acute when paired with Moshiri) is the root cause of our predicament. And I completely agree we should be complaining about that. I think am realistic that the only way out of this is (a) big money and / or (b) a brilliantly executed player development strategy.

Because I don't expect anyone will invest big in Everton, the player development stuff interests me and gives me some hope. Ultimately I want to see great football, trophies and European adventures. That is the point.

I'm not sure what you really mean by your sense of realism.

Certainly the idea that anything can be solved with a "decent manager" is unrealistic – and possibly even part of the problem.

While we've waited our turn for a decent manager, other clubs have innovated in player development and recruitment – and lo and behold they suddenly find competent successful managers as a result.

Brian Wilkinson
208 Posted 25/02/2024 at 20:24:55
Derek, I hear where you are coming from, I see where we have gone from plucky Everton, to a new low.

We have the final Day Wimbledon wild celebrations, to a little later the last Day Coventry survival, a cup to celebrate followed by more wild celebrations on beating Palace to stay up, to a Doucoure stunner to keep us us the following year, now although points deducted have certainly impacted this season, we find ourselves yet again way off the pace, we have gone from Kendall out leaflets, to accepting and praying we get enough points to survive.

The way I am feeling at the moment, I would take relegation on an Astrix default, just to get away from this corrupt league for a season or so, a league where you at least know you have a fighting chance of competing, no VAR or corrupt officials, a chance to play other clubs that you know you at least have a 50/50 chance of winning, a chance to play different teams, now anyone call call me whatever they like, but surviving will be Groundhog Day next season, the Premier league will see to that and by March next season, the usual suspects will be so far distant from any other sides it will be a three horse race for the title again.

Everton meanwhile will have had the likes of Onana and Branthwaite snapped up by clubs that are already so far ahead, they will just keep getting stronger.

So yes I’ve said it, I have had a belly full of the last few seasons, where we are blatantly being cheated week after week, going into the Championship might be the reset button we need, a step back to move forward, I never thought I would ever feel that way, but right now I want away from the Premier league.

We all know who has destroyed our great football club, through selfish not letting go, he did what was best for him, and not what was best for the fans, the football club, he got his man that would allow him to remain as Chairman.

Thank you Mr Kenwright, you have destroyed our football club.

Kieran Kinsella
209 Posted 25/02/2024 at 20:31:47
Off topic but just wondering about Bernie Quinn from NZ who used to post a lot. Has anyone heard from him of late?

Likewise, we haven't heard from Barry Hesketh lately. He's always scouring the news for breaking stories and has a sensible head on his shoulders.

I know some folks come and go from the site for whatever reason (Jay Wood BRZ, Steve Ferns, Ken Buckley) but I hope Barry and Bernie are well!

Derek Knox
210 Posted 26/02/2024 at 03:56:28
Kieran, good point, I know Jay Wood (BRZ) ruffled a few feathers, but I liked the guy, possibly because I have ruffled a few too, and yes he is missed. There are a few others, probably too many to mention, but as John McFarlane always says we all see things differently and many at the same match.

I believe too, we are all entitled to an opinion on TW, even if that opinion clashes with most others, and your own. We are all a big family, and they fall out too, from time to time.

However I do have Steve Ferns' Number and do contact him occasionally when we have a TW Get Together. In Steve's case, and I don't think he will mind my saying so, he got a little fed up of the jibes against his well informed and lengthy posts. I think he posts on Twitter or some other media platform these days.

Also he and his wife had a new addition to the family, probably about 3 years ago. Jeez where has that time gone ? So didn't have as much time to spare, on top of his work as a Solicitor, but to the best of my knowledge he is fine.

There was another regular poster who lived and worked in Brazil, and spoke Portuguese like Jay as a second language, a good distance from Jay Wood, but his name escapes me at this moment in time. He did move back to the UK, but again he has disappeared from TW. Glad you brought that up Kieran. Take care mate.

Derek Knox
211 Posted 26/02/2024 at 03:56:29
Kieran, good point, I know Jay Wood (BRZ) ruffled a few feathers, but I liked the guy, possibly because I have ruffled a few too, and yes he is missed. There are a few others, probably too many to mention, but as John McFarlane always says we all see things differently and many at the same match.

I believe too, we are all entitled to an opinion on TW, even if that opinion clashes with most others, and your own. We are all a big family, and they fall out too, from time to time.

However I do have Steve Ferns' Number and do contact him occasionally when we have a TW Get Together. In Steve's case, and I don't think he will mind my saying so, he got a little fed up of the jibes against his well informed and lengthy posts. I think he posts on Twitter or some other media platform these days.

Also he and his wife had a new addition to the family, probably about 3 years ago. Jeez where has that time gone ? So didn't have as much time to spare, on top of his work as a Solicitor, but to the best of my knowledge he is fine.

There was another regular poster who lived and worked in Brazil, and spoke Portuguese like Jay as a second language, a good distance from Jay Wood, but his name escapes me at this moment in time. He did move back to the UK, but again he has disappeared from TW. Glad you brought that up Kieran. Take care mate.

Kieran Kinsella
212 Posted 26/02/2024 at 04:15:39

The other Brazilian resident I’m assuming was Fran? Can’t remember his last name. Poor old Steve Ferns got a lot of stick over his support for Silva on account of his prior Estoril connection and Steve’s Dad. Personally, while I disagreed with Steve about Silva I thought he was a smart guy who made intelligible points. I just happened to disagree with him. He also as a lawyer was a useful expert who we could do with now with the points deduction saga. I hope him his wife and the little one are doing well as are you my old tayside mucker!

Derek Knox
213 Posted 26/02/2024 at 05:05:58

Ah, Eureka Moment, or Silver Haired Surfer's Brainfart - Fran Mitchell ?

Alan J Thompson
214 Posted 26/02/2024 at 05:23:31
Andy (#201);

I think you may be over estimating the Bookies ability. They will set a book on, in this case, relegation according to each team's position and their likely future results and then round the book to, usually, 120%

That is, it will cost you 120 in total to back each team to win 100, if you understand rounding up and down, and then change odds according to what they are holding on each team and to attract more money on the less backed teams to spread the risk.

108% is regarded as brave and anything less as foolish. They say Leicester winning the League was an aberration but I doubt the Bookies lost much but they then used it for advertising purposes to attract more business.

As they say, they may be in the gambling business but they are there to make a profit, not gamble.

Danny O’Neill
215 Posted 26/02/2024 at 09:13:09
It's a shame we don't hear from Jay (BRZ) anymore. Likewise Darren.

They may not be everyones cup of tea, and we all lock horns, but they were always strong in their beliefs, respected and gave their view.

Which we always do even if we disagree from time to time and see the club and match different.

Brian Williams
216 Posted 26/02/2024 at 09:23:06
Derek #205,

You bet they will, because the 'loyals' who let us get to this all-time low.

Derek, if by "loyals" you mean some TW'ers or supporters could you explain how either, or both, mentioned have "let" us get to this all time low?

Dave Abrahams
217 Posted 26/02/2024 at 09:42:48
Danny (215),

Jay Wood did get back to ToffeeWeb after three or four fans asked, on here, how he was keeping, he said he was okay but had other things to keep his mind occupied rather than Everton, or words to that effect.

Danny O’Neill
218 Posted 26/02/2024 at 09:49:47
Thanks Dave. Understandable. Sometimes life takes over football and Everton.

I had to congratulate my red supporting Brother in Law yesterday after he watched the League Cup Final from his hospital bed after major heart surgery yesterday with more to come!

Derek. We are all loyal. No one is disloyal.

We just have different views.

Mark Murphy
219 Posted 26/02/2024 at 09:54:46
Danny - we spoke about this! Stop being so magnanimous towards them twats!
Dave Abrahams
220 Posted 26/02/2024 at 09:58:38
Danny (218),

I hope your brother-in-law gets over his illness and his future problems and Liverpool's win will help and give him a small boost.

Life is definitely not always “a bowl of cherries” but if your spirit stays compact you are always in with a chance.

See you soon Danny I hope, best wishes.

Mark Murphy
221 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:00:42
This “acceptance of mediocrity” and “loyal fans fault” stuff? I don't understand what we're supposed to do?

The fans raged against the board and effectively got them removed. We howled at Benitez and we almost virtually drove Anthony Gordon away for underperforming. What is it we're doing that is preventing any improvement?

Is coming on here saying we were happy with a point ant Brighton or we were shite against Palace but at least we got a point, affecting in any way the trajectory of this club? Are people suggesting we boycott games??

Brent Stephens
222 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:02:34
Had a few private conversations with Jay Wood; I think, as Dave, says, he felt he had other things to do of greater priority.

Danny, hope to be able to steal an extra hour before the West Ham game to meet up for a lemonade.

Danny O’Neill
223 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:07:30
Give me a shout Brent. We'll catch up.

Thanks Dave. Appreciated.

Mark, see you at the next one! You can shout at me then!

Brent Stephens
224 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:18:40
I'll text you, Danny. Train times?
Christine Foster
225 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:24:28
Kieran @209,

I haven't heard or seen Bernie (Quinn) for some months now, I know he wasn't in the best of health but hope if he sees this he will drop a post to let us know he is well.

Come on, Bernie!

Andy Crooks
226 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:46:12
Alan @214, good point.

A friend who clerked for Barney Eastwood once told me that you don't win money from the bookmaker, you win your friends' money from him. Which pretty much endorses your comments.

Also, I have had a jaw infection following a tooth extraction 3 weeks ago. The pain has been cartoon-like in its intensity!! My wife has indicated that I have been even more unbearable, grumpy and mean. I may well have carried this onto these pages so, if I have been unreasonably rude to anyone on here, I do apologize.

Final trip to the dentist today (add £409 to the pain!!) so the old, mellow, tolerant Blue will be back!!

Dave Abrahams
227 Posted 26/02/2024 at 10:58:14
Andy (226),

I hope you don't mind me being personal…

You are retired now, Andy, make sure you are getting all your benefits mate, you might be entitled for help with your dentistry payments. Not trying to be funny but the onus is always on you knowing what you are entitled to, the NHS won't tell you.

Alan J Thompson
228 Posted 26/02/2024 at 11:01:08

I know what you mean as I went to the dentist this morning and half the work was replacing two fillings that they had put there just a couple of months ago which had dropped out, $560.

Mark Murphy
229 Posted 26/02/2024 at 11:01:36
Brent, good luck with that, mate! I was guarding his sherbet for an hour and five pints to the wind before he eventually turned up!

My last 4 games have been draws so I'll do the team a favour and miss this one! UTFT

Brent Stephens
230 Posted 26/02/2024 at 11:11:45
Mark, stay away Saturday and we win – I'll buy you a pint.
Barry Rathbone
231 Posted 26/02/2024 at 11:20:22
Acceptance of mediocrity is just another way of saying accepting reality. People can grandstand about Everton all they want – it's an understandable defence mechanism – but the fact is we are a non-challenging club going back decades, a total irrelevance in modern football – we are mediocre.

Most understand only big money will change things but it is beyond fan control so the decision is walk away or endure in a phlegmatic way to maintain a healthy blood pressure.

I choose the latter because I deal in reality… but not everyone does.

Danny O’Neill
232 Posted 26/02/2024 at 11:43:14

I'll never accept mediocrity.

I can accept reality.

But I will always have belief.

Dave Abrahams
233 Posted 26/02/2024 at 11:59:05
Alan (228), I know you don’t live in England but here when you get fillings they are guaranteed to be in for a certain length of time, then have to be done again, without further payment, if they fall out, not sure how long the guarantee is but definitely more than two months.

There is no charge for this advice, I hope it helps you!!

Ray Jacques
234 Posted 26/02/2024 at 12:50:17
Beto looked good for 30 minutes against Doncaster earlier this season.

I think with Dyche it's a case of horses for courses.

Until the owner pisses off, it aint getting any better.

Christy Ring
236 Posted 26/02/2024 at 13:30:03
Steve ferns was very knowledgeable about our club, a pity he left.
Dave Lynch
237 Posted 26/02/2024 at 13:33:02
Just seen a report that a guy called Steinbrenner of some New York team wants to buy Everton, apparently he was at finch farm at the weekend.
Im old so can't post links
Paul Hewitt
238 Posted 26/02/2024 at 13:35:00
Dave#237. Silly rumours mate. Ignore.
Gerry Quinn
239 Posted 26/02/2024 at 13:44:47
Guys, was Bernie Quinn an Offshore Diver in the 80's/90's? Reason I ask is that he and I were panicking on the bridge wing of the Dive Vessel when Everton were playing Coventry (THAT Dion Dublin game!!!)
Jamie Crowley
240 Posted 26/02/2024 at 13:57:15
Danny -

Don't cry over spilt milk. We're never getting those points back and with the return of at least four, we look a hell of a lot better when viewing the table, in 15th.

These fuckers have it out for us. I take your point, but never look a gift horse in the mouth.

Mark Murphy
244 Posted 27/02/2024 at 07:35:42
“Mark, stay away Saturday and we win – I'll buy you a pint.”

Brent, your on! But I'm not going the fucking Arkles for it!! UTFT!

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