New boys save shocking Everton from cup humiliation

30/08/2023 115comments  |  Jump to last
Doncaster 1 - 2 Everton

Beto grabbed his first Everton goal and thumped the post with a header before Danjuma scored a late winner

Beto scored on his Everton debut and Arnaut Danjuma struck an 88th-minute winner as the Blues got themselves out of jail against Doncaster Rovers following one of the worst first-half performances in living memory.

Sean Dyche’s men were trailing the team currently sitting at the bottom of League Two with 17 minutes left having managed a paltry one shot on target when Beto, on as a half-time substitute for his compatriot Youssef Chermiti, atoned for a wild miss a few moments earlier to score the equaliser.

Then, after both he and Beto had hit the woodwork and as the lottery of a penalty shootout loomed, Danjuma picked his way past a couple of defenders and fired home to squeeze Everton into the next round but it was, on the whole, an embarrassingly bad showing from the visitors.

Of most concern to Dyche, perhaps, was that he had named a strong and largerly experienced line-up to face the club sitting 92nd in the pyramid, with Michael Keane returning to the line-up, Vitalii Mykolenko and Ben Godfrey making their first starts of the season and Chermiti making his full debut following a promising cameo off the bench against Wolves on Saturday.

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Unfortunately, like fellow youngster Lewis Dobbin, who made his second senior start, Chermiti struggled to make an impact on the game while Everton as a whole looked utterly devoid of purpose and quality for the first hour of the contest.

An early panic at the back had set the tone and Tommy Rowe’s shot from an unmarked position that flew narrowly over with a quarter of an hour gone was a warning sign that the Blues couldn’t be complacent against their League Two hosts.

Not long afterwards, Broadbent’s effort was blocked and Zane Westbrooke lashed the rebound inches the wrong side of the post while Luke Molyneux was unfortunate not to be able to control an awkward bounce in oceans of space in the box as Everton continued to look vulnerable at the back.

It took Everton 40 minutes to fashion their first real opening when Abdoulaye Doucouré and Danjuma exchanged passes and the Dutchman advanced to the near post but he dragged a left-foot shot horribly across goal.

Four minutes later, Doncaster took the lead. Molyneux was afforded all the time he needed to swing a cross back into the area following a set-piece and Joe Ironside rose highest, albeit in an offside position, to glance it past Jordan Pickford who had gambled off his line and been caught cold.

Amadou Onana had a chance in first-half stoppage time off Chermiti’s neat lay-off but his shot was beaten away and it was the home side who almost doubled their lead going into the break but Pickford made a point-blank save to deny Westbrook.

No doubt unhappy with what he had seen in the first 45 minutes, Dyche withdrew Chermiti, Nathan Patterson and Dobbin in favour of Beto, Ashley Young and Idrissa Gueye and it led to a small but perceptible improvement in the display.

Yet it was Doncaster who threatened first and when Modu Faal’s shot struck Mykolenko’s arm on the way to goal and the rebound fell to Molyneux, Gueye had to block the Rovers man’s goal-bound shot to ensure the deficit wasn’t doubled.

Everton started to probe more after the hour mark, though, with Gueye making a world of difference in the  middle, the ball sticking up front more regularly with Beto now leading the line and the Portuguese getting on the end of a Mykolenko cross that he just couldn’t get on top of.

The new £26m had an even better chance a few minutes later then the ball sat up invitingly for him from about 10 yards out by he miscued awfully with his weaker foot, to the delight of a jeering home crowd.

Beto atoned just a couple of minutes later, though, with Everton's first goal of 2023-24 when Doucouré played the ball in behind the Doncaster defence, the Portuguese galloped past the last man and flicked it deftly past the onrushing goalkeeper to make it 1-1.

Tarkowski came on for Mykolenko with 15 minutes to go with the Ukrainian picking up a knock before Young saw a shot parried by Ian Lawlor and Beto thought he had doubled his tally with a terrific, leaping header but the ball hammered off the post and back into play.

Almost immediately afterwards, Danjuma tried to curl one into the far corner but his shot bounced off the top of the crossbar and James Garner’s placed side-foot effort was blocked on the way to goal by Jack Senior.

The winner arrived just in time, however, as Danjuma collected the ball just inside the penalty area, skipped his way along the line of defenders and then cut a shot back across Lawlor that left the keeper wrong-footed and beaten.

There were chances to pad the lead and avoid all doubt but both substitute Neal Maupay and Garner saw attempts charged down and though Beto put the ball in the net deep into stoppage time, the lay-off from Gueye had come too late by which time the striker had strayed offside.

So a huge sigh of relief for Everton who made heavy work of what should have been a routine Second Round cup tie. They’re in the hat for the next round but they and their manager will know they will have to be several orders of magnitude better, both on their return to Yorkshire on Saturday lunchtime to face Sheffield United in the Premier League and in the Third Round against Aston Villa next month.


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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 30/08/2023 at 22:56:17
I’m obviously happy that we the game but it will be a long time before that deplorable first half is erased from my memory, doubt if I have ever seen such a lifeless performance with the whole team misplacing passes all over the field.

Gana made a difference with his energy and tackling along with two good goals from Beto and Danjuma but the dreadful performance stood out, such a pathetic and miserable forty five minutes with all eleven players culpable and each adding their own little cameos to the pathos, couldn’t believe professional footballers could perform like this, absolutely sickening and some were laughing at the end of the game, it must have been with embarrassment.

Gaute Lie
2 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:06:37
All I can say is Yes! We now have goalscorers in the team. It is time to watch BlackAdder and ride on the pure joy.

Who cares some were shitty. Goalscorers. Goalscorers. Now, time for Rowan.

Martin Faulkner
3 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:13:01
Villa away next round
Ian Riley
4 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:16:02
It's a win! We came back! We fought! We scored goals!

We move on!

Colin Glassar
5 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:16:09
I bet on Beto to save our season.

He'd Beto come through for us or else.

Will Mabon
6 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:22:52
Dave, I agree.

Not good enough from professional footballers at a Premier League club; whatever the team, whomever the manager, whoever the opposition.

Simon Dalzell
7 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:31:16
I've never been as certain that a manager needs to go.
Dave Lynch
8 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:39:54
Anyone who is happy with a scrappy win against the bottom team in the whole of English professional football needs to seriously think again.

Dyche is a football dinosaur, a serial loser, a manager who has won nothing, a manager who will never win anything, a manager who... will take us down.

Colin Glassar
9 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:44:46
Simon, I think that’s becoming clearer with every game. He’s a mix of second season Martinez and last season Lampard with a dollop of the man from Norwich thrown in.
Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:50:19
Dave Lynch,

“A serial loser who has won nothing.”

Aside from a year at Watford and 8 months at Everton, he has only managed Burnley where they won the league they were in. When they unsurprisingly got relegated, he won promotion again.

Yes, he doesn't have Ancelotti record but he has won the things far in excess of most Burnley managers of the last 70 years. Let's not forget Moyes was a “serial loser” who had actually won nothing at all for 25 years until he finally did 2 months ago.

Barry Hesketh
11 Posted 30/08/2023 at 23:51:28
I'm far from a fan of Sean Dyche, but calls for his removal are plain daft. We need some level of stability for a period of time. There's no money in the club, there's no leadership at the club, and we have a largely ordinary group of players – what is it that the critics of Dyche are asking for?

If in a dozen or so games time, and we still look clueless and have lost a load of games, then it might be the time to sharpen the axes, but now?

If it was to happen, no manager of any ilk will take the job on, no matter what money we offer, and there won't be a huge salary awaiting any newcomer. Patience is a virtue, but it seems that word is an alien concept to some posters.

Justin Doone
12 Posted 30/08/2023 at 00:03:31
We would struggled to win promotion from League Two – never mind The Championship – if we get relegated.


The constant poor passing, no one moving quickly into space, no one coming for the ball, not looking to play a quick short one-two, the sheer lack of inability to pass, move and keep a bit of possession.

Poor, very poor. Every away game: park the bus, play 5-5-0 and shoot from the half-way line.

As for Dyche, I must hope he stabilises us for the next couple of seasons, bloods the youngsters, helps sign some good footballers and hands the reigns over to a footballing manager.

A Howe or Potter type manager in a few years to build on some solid, disciplined foundations.

Until then, for all those that wanted him as manager, enjoy it, if you can...?

John Raftery
13 Posted 31/08/2023 at 00:19:09
Dyche will have learned more tonight about those he can and cannot rely on. Dobbin is not ready for first team football. Likewise Patterson. Godfrey continues to look like one the worst players we have ever had. Onana's moments of brilliance are interspersed by moments of sheer ineptitude.

Gana showed in the second half why he is indispensable in the current squad. Beto looked impressive with his energy and took his goal well. Let's hope he can maintain this form at Premier League level.

Once Dyche has McNeil, Harrison, Calvert-Lewin and Iwobi (if still with us) available, we can assess whether or not he has the wherewithal to lift the club from the bottom. Until then, any judgement seems premature.

Denver Daniels
14 Posted 31/08/2023 at 00:23:58
Justin, with all things being equal, no one in their right mind would want Dyche as their manager. But we are where we are and there's not many who could have kept us up last season.

As long as we're this dysfunctional as a club, he's the right man for the job.

David Morgan
15 Posted 31/08/2023 at 01:03:02
Move Garner to right back, Patterson isn't good enough. We need actual wingers playing instead of Garner anyway. How did we go from having four Number 10s not so long ago, to zero now?

I am hoping for a new left back on loan or something before the window closes too. then when we get McNeil and Harrison fit, I think we will be okay. This Doncaster game just confirmed what everyone already new, a lot of players aren't good enough. Let's focus on the ones who are.

Ian Riley
16 Posted 31/08/2023 at 01:06:15
Yes, a shocking first half but sack the manager, no! Dyche is not blind to the terrible display.

As for Potter as manager? The club is not set up as Brighton was when he took over. Brighton have a vision, strategy from under-10s to the first team. Everyone buys into it.

We don't! It will take years and perhaps relegation to implement. Dyche is here to keep us in the league. Relegation could financially destroy us. We need 3 years of clear relegation battles and settle into our new home.

Seriously, we need stability going forward. The football may not be pretty but points are far more important.

Sorry but the League Cup has never been kind to us. Big win for confidence building. Next round! Small steps!!

Tom Bowers
17 Posted 31/08/2023 at 01:19:19
The whole of the first half was a deplorable mess and I am now beginning to wonder if Dyche is having a problem getting this bunch motivated.

I know I am just echoing what many have posted already. Quite a few players are just not good enough.

If they find it so difficult to contain a team like Doncaster, God help us. From the first minute when the defense tried to walk the ball out at pedestrian pace, they were under pressure.

The players they have at the back and the midfield just cannot link up for possession play out of the deep zone. They just don't seem to be on the same page.

Most of the passing was awful and Everton were then reduced to the big hoofball which inevitably fell short.
Once Doncaster realised this they were confident enough to realize how poor Everton really were.

I don't think any player deserved any praise for that first half and it was no surprise Doncaster scored.

Despite the result in the end, it was embarrassingly as bad as it can be.

Get it sorted, Dyche!!!

Dupont Koo
18 Posted 31/08/2023 at 01:22:32
Now we all know why Michael Keane can't stop making mistakes: he doesn't want to take any pay-cut to join any other clubs on this planet! Any scouts with a decent pair of eyes would not recommend their clubs to get anywhere near him.

He is now the Chernobyl Belt holder of the club... taking its sole ownership from the un-holy trinity of Dele, Gomes and Gbamin.

Dale Self
19 Posted 31/08/2023 at 01:42:52
I imagine some fellow players had the same feeling we did seeing the centre-back starters. Add to that a side that serially underestimates away matches even in cup comps. It is indeed Dyche's fault ultimately for selecting them together. If there was ever a chance to give them a game to build up from, wouldn't this have been it?

So yeah, Dyche is responsible for initial conditions but the players have to figure it out when it comes to intensity and impose their advantange. Once Young and Gana settled things a bit, we kicked into gear. That will be a repeating occurrence but we have enough for Dyche to eventually find combinations that work.

He didn't have this luxury at Burnley. He also doesn't completely know how the squad responds to some breakdowns. It will take a few painful lessons like tonight to develop the combinations and rotations that won't rattle a mentally weak core. Most of the weakness is simply from the run of losses. There are structural concerns but we won't be undone by them.

I admit it was ugly and painful. Some players will get scorched and will respond. Others will be flat-out replaced, I would think. Overall, the play will come together, be patient and see this as a blip gamble for the two damaged centre-backs.

Christine Foster
20 Posted 31/08/2023 at 01:46:30
The first-half performance was unforgivable. On paper, it should have been a strong team, but not one player in the back four did their job.

Mind you, I would be hard-pressed to find a single player who was better than any of their opponents, we were that bad. But if we needed reminding, messers Keane and Godfrey may well have ended their Everton days.

In a brighter second half, more control in midfield, Beto finished well, a cracking header too, and Danjuma must be relieved. I think with McNeil back, a couple of additions, we will look a far more solid side. I still think that's a month away yet though.

Dyche. The story of Everton continues, a group of players who are just not good enough to fashion into a decent team. But we are making improvements to the squad, although we are a long way away from a Top 10 finish.

The manager will succeed in keeping us up but, as I have said before, that won't keep the fans happy, Dyche is where we are right now, he is what we need right now. If he is lucky he will take us into the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Once the fear of relegation is put to bed, fans, like some already, will be calling for a more dynamic manager and a better style of play.

Newsflash. I think it's neither hell nor high-water that will remove Dyche before BMD or new owners, which ever comes first. Dig in guys, we cannot afford to lose another manager. We may not think much of his tactics or quality of players in his squad, but right now, it's where we are with no alternatives.

Jay Harris
21 Posted 31/08/2023 at 03:11:16
Well said, Christine. Echoes my thoughts completely.

We are a train wreck of a club without a pot to piss in with a cobbled together group of players – some of which even Merlin would have trouble making into decent footballers.

It is a pity that Patterson has hit a poor run of form when Seamus is unavailable and, although our midfield is robust, we don't have creative players who can make the ball do the work, beat players nor score goals.

This is Dyche's first window and he looks to have already addressed some of the imbalance in the squad. I just wish he didn't have a blind spot when it comes to Keane and Maupay – neither of whom is fit to wear the Everton shirt.

Nevertheless, this is a game we would have lost without Beto and Danjuma so let the man continue his rebuilding and let's not have this nonesense of getting rid of him for Potter.

Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 31/08/2023 at 03:55:08

Yeah, looking at the squad tonight and who signed them illustrates the chaos:

Starting XI:

No one as we had no DoF or manager
Benitez? Brands?
Brands according to Ancelotti
Youth team
Thelwell *


Thelwell *

I put * by two because we were linked with both in January before Dyche got the job. I assume Chermiti was probably Thelwell too based on Dyche's comments that “he is very very unlikely to hit the ground running.”

Crazy thing is we had Keane who was regarded as one of the biggest flops of the Koeman/Walsh era yet here he still is while no one remains from later managers Silva and Allardyce.

That genius Brands doesn't cover himself in glory. Rafa didn't seem to know much about Mykolenko so I presume it was Brands? Ancelotti credited the Dutchman for Godfrey and one of them was responsible for Docoure.

No idea if Frank or Thelwell wanted Gana but wouldn't be surprised if it was Kenwright. The same man who was the de facto DOF and manager when we signed Patterson the untried for a ludicrous sum.

I'm guessing the only man in the squad Dyche wanted was probably Young and even then, who knows… maybe it was Thelwell, Kenwright or Moshiri.

I can't think of another manager in our history who has had so little say in the squad he's working with. Yes, Moshiri and Kenwright meddled with Koeman but they bought their guys and let him buy his.

Likewise Ancelotti, for every unwanted Godfrey he was allowed to buy an Allan.

That's why I'm sympathetic to Dyche. His power extends as far as the training field and the tactics board. Last weekend he picked the team that most of us armchair geniuses were demanding and we still lost.

I don't know how good of a manager he is but to me it seems like he's got less control and much greater expectations than he had at Burnley — a team he inherited that were content bouncing between tier 2 and 3, and we expect more from him with less control or money because, until Kenwright came along, we were “big.”

It's kind of like saying “Okay, Chief Sitting Bull, you defeated General Custer now with less troops you've got to try and defeat WW II Nazi Germany.”

Ed Prytherch
23 Posted 31/08/2023 at 04:22:50
I am no fan of Maupay but he did okay in his short cameo. He might just be of use alongside Beto.
Kieran Kinsella
24 Posted 31/08/2023 at 04:31:18

I always respect a guy who makes an effort even if he's not that good, eg, Maupay, versus the opposite, eg, Gomes.

Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 31/08/2023 at 04:51:06
I'm absolutely delighted after reading that headline, Lyndon, because my partner decided to read out a tweet from one of her friends' partner when I woke up this morning, and it was that critical of the performance, that I thought we ‘might' have been knocked out.

John Rafferty makes his point in his usual calm way, Christine adds to it as usual, and then Kieran goes a little bit more in-depth, by analysing the whole Moshiri shit show.

Dyche has obviously ran the legs out of these players during pre-season, and four performances in, it seems like they are only prepared to run at Goodison Park? (I've only watched the Villa game, and Everton were absolutely lifeless.)

Jerome talks about the attitude at Finch Farm quite often on these pages and, although he has been ridiculed by a few posters, I think he makes perfect sense.

Even those who think Dyche is a footballing dinosaur must surely realise that football is “all about attitude” and, until this changes, then the only other thing that will change is that people will unfortunately start calling for yet another manager.

My personal opinion is that we were dead and buried when Lampard was sacked and Dyche hasn't been given anywhere near the credit he deserved for keeping us up. His interview at the end of the Bournemouth game “surely told us everything” but yet once again, Everton Football Club where nowhere near prepared for yet another new season.

This is an unforgivable disgrace imo, and it's why I think that Evertonians should start getting very angry and even sinister towards our current chairman, Gofer (courtesy of John Hall!) and the silent partner.

I'm still on holiday and for the first time in my life whilst being away from home, I can genuinely say, "Everton, I haven't even missed you!"

Let's get these fraudulent bastards out of our football club now!

Mark Boullé
26 Posted 31/08/2023 at 06:26:19
Aaaaand... we get drawn away to Villa in the next round, so there goes another chance of a cup run.

Just when we needed a bit of luck with a home draw against one of the lesser sides remaining, but Everton don't get the luck...

Gary Russell
27 Posted 31/08/2023 at 07:43:20
Watched the 2nd half live at 4 am this morning, but just saw the highlights now. In the first half, Doncaster played a few corners to the edge of the box with every blue player camped around the six yard box, just like the Villa game. Quite shocking how it was not addressed in the first half at Villa park, as it happened time and time again. Dyche seriously needs to sort that out, as it is glaringly obvious.
Keith Gleave
28 Posted 31/08/2023 at 07:56:49
Its a win and first goals, so I am glad. However, what a poor performance overall. Doncaster were able to pass through and bypass our midfield all night and look the more assured team.
Our defence was always on tenterhooks and found wanting out wide. We never picked up there player who stood just outside the box with the constant ability to shoot.
We could not seem to find our players even with a simple pass and were always beaten to the second ball.
Our attack consisted of hoof ball hoping chermiti would hold it up, which he is not a sole front man and the ball just came straight back.
Why when we have a throw in do we have to wait for ages to take it, throw to nearest man, usually backwards who passes it back and that man be under pressure. Its slow but so was the general play.
The only bright point was when Beto came on and wanted to be involved and let defenders know he was there.
The build up play is slow and predictable. The ball is in the air too much and there is a complete lack of ideas when plan A doesn't work. The play is always back. Nothing seems to change regardless of who manages, coaches or who the team members are.
Jim Bennings
29 Posted 31/08/2023 at 07:58:43
Oh well at least we made it to the end of September, where the now customary loss to Aston Villa awaits.

Our players looked Doncaster level for most of that game, and if they had got that second goal before the hour mark then we were out.

None of our midfielders have any dynamism about them, none can control the ball, carry the ball and none of them can frankly do the basics of football well.

Dyche needs to start laying down some foundations soon otherwise before much longer he's going the Moshiri firing squad.

Chris James
30 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:03:14
Dire first half, but the fight and creativity in the second half was awesome to watch. We're a long LOOOONG way from being a polished, finished article and need some of our walking wounded back and maybe one or two more signings, but I genuinely believe this could be a crucial catalyst in getting the season properly started.

With a little more luck (and someone like Beto) we'd be on 6 points by now, we were a better team than either Wolves or Fulham, just couldn't finish. Villa totally outclassed us (and may well do in the EFL cup too, depends what team they put out as they are battling on more fronts). 3 points at the weekend and at least one more in the changing room (and 1-2 out) and we'll all be feeling more confident.

With Harrison, Young, Danjuma, Chermiti and Beto (plus Branthwaite back and Dobbin pushing through) this team is already much stronger than the one that ended last season.

Frank Sheppard
31 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:17:04
Terrible for a full 60 minutes.A lot better for the last 30 minutes.
A few players looked like rabbits in headlights with no confidence.
The goals (plural) and chances (plural) in the second half were pleasing.
I saw confidence in some of the players in the last 30 minutes, which I haven’t seen for a long time.
Mihir Ambardekar
32 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:20:38
The team which we started was not the team we will start in the premier league anyways. With many players due to return from injury soon, we will definitely improve. We will add more players to the team by tomorrow.

Majority of the games will be played between Beto and DCL with cameos from Chermiti. We have good strength in the wings. What worries me more is a competent midfield. We need a good combating and intelligent midfielder.

James Marshall
33 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:35:08
I agree our central midfield is light. I'd like us to sign Hojbjerg from Spurs - he'd be excellent in our engine room (never gonna happen).

We have enough out wide and up front to do OK this season once injured players come back. Keeping Branthwaite in the team and Keane well away from it is also going to be key.

Dave Evans
34 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:35:52
First half was scarey. If Dyche wants another basic to concentrate on, pass and move will do.
For me, Onana still more productive than Garner but both are quite young and could still flourish.
They deserve a bit of patience. Similar to what DCL did at their age.
Bill Fairfield
35 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:36:22
It really makes you wonder how many times a manager has to look at certain players to be convinced that they’re utter garbage. Last nights first half performance was shocking,but not surprising anymore.
Kevin Edward
36 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:41:24
Would have been more surprised if we had played them off the park and won 5:0.
We know this bunch are poor in the top flight, so expected to be unable to cope with some hard grafters from the lower reaches.
But new signings scoring goals gives us hope that we are now at rock bottom and the only way is up (baby).
John Raftery
37 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:47:39
Ian (16) I agree. We are a long way from Brighton in so many ways. They are a club set up for managers to succeed as Potter’s successor proved last season. The calls for Potter to replace Dyche ignore the extent to which he struggled at Chelsea with a group of much more talented players than we have.

Tony (25) For ‘calm’ you could substitute the word ‘depressed’ in that first half! We were awful. We looked like a team which hadn’t played together before, which of course we hadn’t. After Dyche made the three changes at half-time we got to grips with the game and in the end might have won more comfortably than we did.

I think removing the current regime is the easier part of the change required at the club. Much more difficult will be preventing a takeover by a new bunch of shysters with fancy promises but really looking to do no more than make a quick buck. I have no clue about how we prevent that happening.

James Hughes
38 Posted 31/08/2023 at 08:59:48
James M #33, You're right it's never going to happen. Hojbjerg dismissed the idea of joining Everton when we had a £25m bid accepted in 2020.

Manure are sniffing round him so we really don't stand a snowball's chnce in hell.

Andrew Ellams
39 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:00:20
James @ 33. Man Utd have bid for him.

Last night showed Chermiti was well below the standard of a PL footballer and will probably disappear into the big black hole for young strikers that exists at Finch Farm.

Based on the second half if we can get a from 3 of Beto, Danjuma and Harrison working then we should be OK. A creative number 10 would help enormously though.

Sam Hoare
40 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:04:47
Dire first half but these matches can be tricky. Chelsea, having spent almost a billion in 3 seasons (!!) only beat Wimbledon by the same margin at home.

With Beto, Calvert-Lewin, Danjuma, Mcneill, Harrison, Iwobi and perhaps to some extent Chermiti and Dobbin; we now have the players to get some goals in the direct system that Dyche wants to play.

My concern begins to shift more to midfield and in particular the defense. The back 4 we had last night, despite costing around £80m combined would be probably the weakest in the PL. We can't fix everything in one window but it may be that the priority over the next few days is to bring in better quality at the back.

Mal van Schaick
41 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:06:24
The first half performance may not have been the best, and there are still a few players not up to speed, like Godfrey and Mykolenko, but I am prepared to give this team with the new signings time to gel over a few games. Beto has pace and is direct, Danjuma is settling in and Chermiti is still learning. We still have players coming back from injury.

If it’s possible I would like to see a few more ins and outs in the next few days and then settle down and start getting points on the board.

Niall McIlhone
42 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:15:23
Lyndon's headline sums it up really, and for the first hour of the game, you would be hard pressed to see that Everton performance as anything but a complete mess. No wonder our fans vented their spleen at half time.
I also ponder how that assistant referee allowed the Doncaster goal, it was offside by some margin, but Keane and Godfrey were noticeably static when the ball was played in.

The last half hour, whilst still below the standard we are entitled to expect, the experience of Gana and Young began to turn the tide, and it was clear that Beto gave huge impetus as an attacking threat: I thought Maupay did well when he came on, he got himself involved in some intricate play around the opposition box. The Young pass for Beto's goal was excellent, and our new guy finished impressively.

Calls for Dyche's removal baffle me: This is effectively his first full transfer window, given he was left with a busted flush last January? There will be more business done before tomorrow's deadline, and we go into the game in Sheffield with goals(yaay!) and a win, whereas our opponents exited the cup to lower level opposition in Lincoln City.
I feel the manager now needs to switch his key priority to sorting out this defence: to me, we have to go with the very able Garner at RB, Tarks and Jarrad as CB's and Myko at LB, with the option of Young slotting in on the left- or right -flank.

James Marshall
43 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:16:04
Yeah I saw Utd are in for Hojbjerg - I've always been a big fan of his, and he'd be excellent for us. Sadly as we all know it's never going to happen - hence we end up with Gana who isn't anywhere near Hojbjerg.

I see there are still plenty of noises surrounding Sulemana and Cornet, as well as Elvedi the centre half from Borussia Monchengladbach. By all accounts he has a touch of John Stones about him, which would be something we'd all enjoy

Christopher Timmins
44 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:24:19
The first half should never be forgotten as it demonstrated just how poor we are.

Dyche will keep us up this season and I am not sure if there are many other managers out there who would.

I would love to know who is doing the wheeling and dealing as it looks to me that the kid from Portugal who we signed recently is certainly not a ready to go type, maybe one for the future. Unfortunately, we cannot afford too many of those types at the moment.

The worst run club in the country.

Dave Abrahams
45 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:45:30
I am a fan of Dyche’s and it is ridiculous, in my opinion, to call for him to be removed but when Sean makes statements like “ I thought Onana was excellent in the first half” I shake my head in disbelief, excellent? Oh ffs come on Dychey the lad hasn’t been excellent for five consecutive minutes in his Everton career!

I hope Sean Dyche has them in Finch Farm today and makes the lot of those very poor performers in the first half, and some carried on like that in the second half, watch that first half again and again and also the reaction of the frustrated fed up Everton fans who had to watch that disgraceful, dreadful and dying performance.

An utter pathetic effort, no effort is the wrong word there was no effort or thought in that turn out, hopefully that was the nadir of the season and the rest of it will be on the up.

Ajay Gopal
46 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:53:37
I did not watch the game, so I will go by most reports here. A game of 2 halves by the sound of it, but the important thing is that we came through, and scored 2 goals, and both by our new comers which would give them a big boost. Our weekend opponents lost to Lincoln City to penalties at home, so we should have a psychological advantage for that game.
I agree that our attacking options have improved greatly, but we do need a holding midfielder who can break up play and pass accurately to set up our attacks. Now that Man City have got in Nunes from Wolves, surely Kalvin Phillips is surplus to requirements. If Thelwell can structure a deal to get him in on loan with an option to buy, then I would be extremely confident of our ability to stay well clear of relegation trouble this season. Or even someone like Conor Gallagher, who while not the same type of player is extremely industrious and a clear upgrade on what we have presently.
Irrespective of that, I think Thelwell has done very well to bring in a lot of personnel with very little outlay. A final push from him in the last 2 days of the transfer window and he could be satisfied with a job well done.
Rob Jones
47 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:58:33
Who comes in?

Dyche may be underperforming, but a large part of the cause of the financial straitjacket we find ourselves in is the fact we've sacked one manager a season (or in Carlo's case, paid off) since... 2017.

We're buying players on the never-never because we're sacking managers.

It has to stop.

Last night was horrific. But our injuries have partly caused it. Things will improve.

Our finances won't if Moshiri sacks yet another manager and coaching staff.

James Marshall
48 Posted 31/08/2023 at 09:59:17
I think people put too much emphasis on what managers say to the press in interviews - it's all designed to protect players from the media, and to a degree, the supporters ire.

What they say in public is not the same as what they say privately to players, so taking their public comments with a pinch of salt should be the norm.

Managers are not going to come out and slag off their players left, right & centre - that would be be both damaging and foolish, and you wouldn't last long in the business if you did that.

There are public and private personas in all walks of life - we all do it in our working environments, and our private ones with friends & loved ones - professional sports people, and those in the public eye do this every day of their lives.

Brian Harrison
49 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:16:34
I couldnt watch the first half but watched all of the 2nd half, and after watching the 2nd half I can only imagine how bad the players taken off must have been. Obviously having lost 3 games and not scored a goal this team have no confidence whatsoever but I would have thought we might be able to rectify that with a solid win and 3 or 4 goals thrown in. Lets not forget other than Branthwaite practically all our first team bar the injured players took part. Patterson, Godfrey arent Premier league players, Onana is a complete waste of money this is his 2nd season and he still looks well out of his depth. His work rate is appalling, he doesnt get into the opponents box and very rarely defends his own box. I hear people saying he has got potential which is another way of saying hopefully one day he may come good. If there is a club interested in him please move before the window closes.

I am also starting to get just a little concerned over Sean Dyce, despite us lacking a goal threat he still picks 4 non goal scoring midfield players. He also promised we would be the fittest team in the Premier league I see no signs of that so far. I hope he starts to change things quickly and hopefully when McNeil and Harrison are fit he can start to change things. But he cant afford to lose his next 2 games otherwise it will be difficult to see how he survives. I read last week our ex player Victor Anichebe suggested we should have thanked Sean for keeping us up last year but appointed another manager he suggested Potter.

Finally it looks like we have at last signed a centre forward, a proper centre forward who is big and powerful and knows where the goal is. I know we were playing the worst team in the whole football league but Beto did all anyone could ask of a man making his debut after only 1 training session with the team. We now don't have to worry about how quickly and or how long DCL will play, or if its a choice between a winger or Maupay to lead the line or 2 young boys in Dobbin or Chemetti. I cant quite understand why Dyche hasnt given Tom Cannon a start scored 8 in the Championship last year and both Norwich and Preston both want the lad, and I understand Norwich have put a bid in of £7 million for him.

Dave Abrahams
50 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:19:11
James (48), Yes I agree with that sensible post, but sometimes James managers and players have to be realistic with some of their statements after the game, and most probably right after the match isn’t the right time to make their comments.

It’s all about opinions, and not evenOnana’s biggest fan or even his mam would have said he was excellent.

For my two cents worth: I see Onana’s future potential now and again in the game what I mostly think and see for a great part of the game is he could become a great big large and lazy lump — — — if he improves!

Mark Taylor
51 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:21:40
That first half was laughable, if you have a gallows sense of humour. Keane and Godfrey looked at home at this level. At least two of our forwards broke their duck and Beto looks like he will be a handful.

I leave the last word to Doncaster's fans, a quote from their own fan forum about the match, which is sobering:

"Everton were a team of athletes, but with very little skill or ability (Notts County and Mansfield looked far better teams on that score), who took advantage of Rovers tired legs in the last 20 minutes to run through us."

Rian Magee
52 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:29:53
Well said James.

Christine [20] totally agree with you on everything you said! Stability is one thing we absolutely need right now. The board and investment situations are a complete shambles...chopping a manager now isn't going to help much, it's part of the reason we're in such a mess. Constant changes and on pitch visions have led to a Frankenstein team of players suited to different managers tactics, instead of a cohesive unit. That only comes with time and consistency. Genuinely think we should have went for Howe when we had the chance, but we are where we are and we need to ride it out and see what happens, it's still early days.

That first half though was an absolute sh*tshow though. Don't know what was going on with the terrible passing and total lack of fight...apart from the fact we still seem to have no leaders on the pitch at all.

Beto looks the real deal though. Quick, powerful, hungry and not afraid to take his chances quick. Maupay actually looked really dangerous and useful being used in a 2 up front with him. Never understood why 2 up top isn't something we do more of, just makes sense to give opposing defenders much more to think about than one target man.

Am I confident for this season, not really, but the addition of Beto to the squad has made a massive difference. Still need to be patient with him, but with the new faces that have came in I think we'll see a change in playing style when they're all available. You can only use what's available to you, I mean, you can't make stew with just a parsnip.

Brent Stephens
53 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:35:13
Dave #50, you're a drop of realism to counter the excited anticipation that some like me have when we sign a new player. I think I tend to see the positives in performances and overplay them, probably because I want our new lads to do well. I'm not quite as positive now about the likes of Patterson and Onana as I was when we first played them. But I still think (hope!) Onana, being young, is still learning and will develop and get better. Ditto Patterson. Ditto Keane (well, maybe not).
John Williams
54 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:42:05
Having watched the full game last night, I have to say,
part of the bad performance was down to Dyche, he clearly put out a dis jointed team.
Dobbin is not a first team player, Patterson would struggle playing in the Scottish Leagues, he struggles to run to receive a pass and his passing is very poor.
Onana, the jury is still out, along with Godfrey, who you wonder whether he has fully recovered from his bad injury 12 months ago.
The introduction of Gana into midfield made a huge difference, pushing Doncaster further towards their own penalty area and they struggled to contain Beto.
Hopefully the win will improve confidence, but you have to get the team selection right from the start.
Clive Rogers
55 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:50:46
After years of poor signings, I thought Beto looked a much better bet. Hope he looks the same against PL opponents.
Dave Abrahams
56 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:54:14
Brent (53), I too liked Beto and the effort he put in, he made a difference as did Gueye when he came on.

Why I have made a couple of critical posts is because the performance last night, overall, was really beyond description, it really was one of the worst, if not the worst, I have seen from an Everton team, unforgiveable, but as I said I hope that was the nadir and the rest of the season will surprise us, in the nicest possible way.

Phil Bickerstaff
57 Posted 31/08/2023 at 10:56:21
What’s everyone’s opinion that since dyche has become our manager good players who came with great potential have become very ordinary
Patterson, Onana, mycky,tark, duke,Maupay etc.
I was told a story that the reason he was sacked by the dingles was he punched a player at the training ground and he’s a self opinionated control freak
Brent Stephens
58 Posted 31/08/2023 at 11:00:40
Dave, there's no arguing about that performance last night! Cringeworthy. Though the second half and the two new lads brightened things up for me. As well as the new lads up front, I cling to the hope that players currently injured can now strengthen us in midfield (allowing Garner to go to RB??). And look forward to a return for Tarkowski and Branthwaite in defence.
Kevin Molloy
59 Posted 31/08/2023 at 11:08:46
we underperformed away at league 2 opponents in the League Cup, with half the side out? who cares. We've got a goalscorer, we will now be a different team. One infinitely more pleasing on the eye. The defenders will finally get a rest, and the midfielders, cos they know we are going to hold onto the ball for longer than ten seconds.
We've still got some terrible players, but now we've got some good ones too. I think it's going to be a much better season.
Tony Everan
60 Posted 31/08/2023 at 11:10:35
Patterson and Dobbin really needed loan moves this season. They are both still learning the game and we can’t be weakened so much to have them as first teamers. Patterson I have hopes for, but a full solid season in the Championship May we’ll have been he making of him. Seamus is head and shoulders ahead of him at 34. We really needed someone more developed at RB to take over from Seamus, Patterson is still in the one for the future category.

Dobbin had a lot of work to do to make the grade, he’ll get some cameos but really another loan deal would be better for his development rather than being a bench warmer.

Godfrey is playing like he doesn’t know what a football looks like. He is in total shock and panic if it ever comes in his direction. He’s another who needs games to get his confidence and a modicum of composure back. How does he get them? He won’t be getting too many chances at Everton on this evidence.

Beto, looks the real deal, came on at HT and took the bill by the horns. So refreshing to see an Everton player being proactive, trying or force himself on the game, force the issue up front by testing the defenders all the time. It was half a game against Doncaster, but still you can see he’s going to make a difference.

I am hoping now for one or two more good signings, hen most of all a period of stability. Another manager change is the absolute last thing the club needs. It needs a mid table season we can build upon.

Clive Rogers
61 Posted 31/08/2023 at 11:52:19
Phil, 57, to be fair I thought Patterson and Mycky looked ordinary well before Dyche came. Onana has struggled to make an impact on the PL, but it’s still early days for him. Tark had his best years under Dyke at Burnley, but seems to lack a bit of pace. Duke has always been up and down, whilst Maupay was simply the wrong signing. That’s not to say I’m completely happy with Dyche. Let’s see how he has done by Xmas with fit players.
Andy Walker
62 Posted 31/08/2023 at 11:57:58
What stands out for me from last night (other than how terrible we were), was Dino Dyche standing on the touch line and, when we had possession around the half way line, shouting at our players to lump it forward with the accompanying semi circle hand gesture. Most of the time our players ignored him, to their credit. Abysmal.
Rob Dolby
63 Posted 31/08/2023 at 11:58:14
Dave 45. Funny how opinions vary in games.

I said to my lad at half time. If I didn't know about both clubs I would pick Onana as a prem player, the Doncaster right winger and centre mid, the rest where awful.

The subs at half time did the job.

Patterson for me needs to be moved on. He has nothing about his game to suggest he has a long term future with us. Garner is the better full back with much better quality.

Godfrey is a 400m runner or middle weight boxer masquerading as a football. He has nothing at all.

Gana and young showed their experience. Good in possession using the ball well.

Mykolenko had a much better 2nd half until going off injured.

Doucs and Danjuma did very little to impact the game besides Doucs setting up the first and Danjuma scored.

Chermiti and Dobbin on last nights performance don't look ready for the first team.

Beto looks like he has a bit about him, decent in the air and quite mobile for a big fella. The supply to him will be the challenge for the rest of the team. He looks like he can replace DCL as our main striker, early days but he has started very well.

For anyone calling for Dyche to go, please suggest a replacement that can coach this group of square pegs any better. The Moshir habit of sacking managers every 18 months has spread to the fan base. Instant fixes only exist in fantasy football. Stability is a major factor in football management.

Richard Duff
64 Posted 31/08/2023 at 12:30:11
Lots of interesting opinions from last nights game and it's nice to read and think about things that aren't losses and no goals!

The night is darkest before the dawn. maybe halftime in this game was the lowest point, maybe not? Beto gives us hope and returning creativity from McNeil and Harrison is something to look forward to.

Our Fullback position needs urgent attention before the Midfield in my opinion. I don't see a future for Mykolenko, who offers no intelligence in his positioning or play and has zero attacking instinct/ability.

Patterson is worrying and would ideally join a team on loan that's winning. Its always said that the time to integrate young players is into a winning team, well all poor Patt has been in is a serially bad outfit since day one and the pressure of making a mistake or taking a risk weighs heavy on him now.

FB is THE attacking impetus for modern football. They must be instinctive Wingers who can learn to defend, not Defenders who have to figure out the concept of how and when to cross. Garner is the only one we have who perhaps reluctantly shifts his career from Midfield to FB, but it would be far better for us to go out and find some natural attacking ability for the position.

Finally, the best thing about Beto last night was the shank and miss. Didn't let it get to him and just carried on, scoring minutes later, just like Richarlison, Lukaku and Yakubu would have done.

Dave Abrahams
65 Posted 31/08/2023 at 12:35:04
Rob (63), yes, it's just opinions at the end of the day. I will say I never have a go at players unless they are obvious bottlers, don't pull their weight ie Barkley, Iwobi and Onana is on that list, going by how he has played since he came here.

There are other players who repeatedly make the same mistakes season after season and never improve, Michael Keane is the obvious one in that case.

Maupay isn't for me, he hasn't played well in most matches. I couldn't possibly say he has but he's been played upfront as a lone striker most of the time, 5ft-8in, against two giant centre-backs!

How is he expected to get the better of them, no doubt about his effort, his control could be better, last night playing deeper and off a good striker he looked a lot better. Yes, it was against a League Two team, maybe he will used in this transfer window to help to strengthen the squad, very few fans would moan, I know.

I hope we get a few more good surprises in this window to ease all our worries.

By the way, Rob, you never said what your son said back to you about Onana!!

Tony Everan
66 Posted 31/08/2023 at 12:36:25
I am deaf, so rely on lip reading for about 80% of what gets through. At the end of the game walking off the pitch Pickford, along with I think Tark and Doucs were relived and having a chat. They were extolling the difference that Beto made to the second half. Pickford said to Doucs ‘did you see that header as well ‘, there is a bit of a buzzz about him coming in. They are all fully aware how much he’s needed.

Ps, I also get a fair bit wrong ! And would appreciate if someone could tell me is it Beeto, or Betto as the pronounciation.

David West
68 Posted 31/08/2023 at 13:03:09
The first half was shocking.. we could all see it. Dyche was fuming, screaming he could see how bad they were. People saying sack him are just a joke, the clown ped on toffee TV saying get a young manager!!! We've tried every option of manager!! Back this one !!!

Let's have it right, that team first half should of been able to keep a team bottom of league 2 comfortably at bay.
Keane is a nervous wreck, Godfrey is a shadow of the player we bought, Patterson was poor again which is worrying. Garner & onana were out played, out fought & out thought in the middle. Dobbin had little impact and myko was skinned again and again. These are meant to be premier league players.
That's not the manager that's players not applying themselves, not being professional, not arsed !!

Just gana keeping the ball and having the bollocks to wait for the right pass made a difference, instead of just getting rid like the first half.

Of course Beto wad crucial and won us the match along with danjuma who never stops trying.

But now we have Beto, Dcl, mcneil, Harrison, iwobi & danjuma our problems are in the centre. Cb & cm
We need a play maker a passer, a player who's not scared to look for the right pass, even if it means holding on to the ball for longer than 3 seconds.

Paul Birmingham
69 Posted 31/08/2023 at 13:15:21
A wins a win, and Everton came back from 1 nil, down, which is also a rare event!

The first half was rank, and I was looking at WSAG, number 60, this morning and that first half reminded me of some of the MIke Walker era games, lack lustre, playing like strangers and no collective responsibility on the Park. Absolute crap.

The changes in the second half had a good effect and in Beto, first game and all that, playing effectively the bottom Div4, Team, he played like he cared and done a professional job.

Every player should be aiming high and the bare minimum.
No fekkn excuses, as this season, will not wait for teams in half done perform, and Everton must learn and avoid the perils of the las 2 seasons.

So Everton, have Villa up next, in the Carabou, but before then, to start winning League games.

I hope Jordan Pickford, can cut out some of his sweeper keeper tactics, within his own 6 yard line. and some calm can flow throughout the spine of the team.

I’m hoping now that some business can be done between now and 23.00 hrs 01.09.2023.

If we can get £15M for Iwobi, great and if we could get some money for Gbamin, Gomes, that would be a bonus.

But let’s enjoy the win, and a better 97 minutes v Sheffield United, and to the 3 points.


John Raftery
70 Posted 31/08/2023 at 13:52:53
Regarding Patterson, it was only 12 months ago many fans on here were enthused about his potential. At the time, I had huge reservations about his defensive play. Since then, it has become plain he is unable to make anything worthwhile happen when he goes forward.

Essentially, we have paid a lot of money for a player from Rangers' reserve team who happened to play well for Scotland as a wing-back. International football often deceives when it comes to assessing a player. How they perform, week-in & week-out, with their club is a more reliable guide. It won't happen in this window but Nathan is a player who needs a spell on loan at a lower level to find his way in the game.

Onana is a footballing version of Meadowlark Lemon. Those moments of undoubted skill are inevitably followed by a piece of clowning ineptitude. He needs to grow up and quickly. I am still unsure to which role he is best suited.

In the central holding position, his lackadaisical approach in possession spreads unease among his team mates. Further forward his finishing is poor.

Dyche's positive comments for public consumption will, I trust, be complemented by honest, detailed feedback behind the scenes.

Dale Self
71 Posted 31/08/2023 at 13:55:05
Does anyone know if Beto's raised fist is a gesture to the away fans? This one looks like he could carry some weight of others in the squad. He is the football man this squad needs, perhaps a future colossus in the making.
Garry Martin
72 Posted 31/08/2023 at 13:58:48
Beto looks a goodun, reminds me of a taller and stronger Richarlison.
He shows strength and determination, combine that with a great desire to succeed and we may have just discovered a diamond.

Glad to see Danjuma getting on the scoring, these two players just may save our season.

Michael Connelly
73 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:05:40
Not sure I'd be using the word 'strong' to describe the starting line-up, Lyndon.

All of the back 4 are weak links in my view, which is why none of them are first choice. Dobbin and Chermiti were like rabbits in headlights – absolutely nowhere near the mark.

Garner, Onana, Danjuma, and Doucoure were not enough by themselves to make up for the deficiencies elsewhere.

Thankfully it looks like Beto is up to the job. If you add the first choice back four to the side, and throw in McNeil, Gueye, Harrison, Gray (or his replacement), Iwobi (or his replacement) Calvert-Lewin (for a few games a season, anyway), then we have a better side than last season.

Dale Self
74 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:11:13
It is said by people who say such things that Sulemana has put in a transfer request. Tick tock.
Bill Fairfield
75 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:14:31
Young players should be put into the team when you're in a position of strength. Not when you're starting with a couple of quivering jellies like Godfrey and Keane.

We should be looking to move these two on. They've had enough chances to show what they can do.

Barry Hesketh
76 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:31:50
Hmmm, is there something afoot relating to Dyche, is Moshiri getting trigger-happy again? or is Alex Keble of the Sporting Life stirring things up a bit? I personally believe we have to stick with Dyche, until the ship is truly afloat, but many seem to believe that he will inflict more damage to an already listing vessel.

Will Everton get relegated: why keeping Sean Dyche was a mistake

Jim Bennings
77 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:35:43
Also Bill young players really need to be exceptionally good to be ready for the first team.

The likes of Rooney, Ross Barkley were head and shoulders above others at their age that's why they came into the team at the age of 20 and pretty much made the position their own.

Others had technical accomplishment like Leon Osman who broke through a bit later at 22 years old but I think that's rare in most cases, and I believe it was Osman's ability to use two feet comfortably that helped him along.

Not many young lads we've thrown in at 19 have ever remained.

We've seen decent starts but career flops like Franny Jeffers, Danny Cadamarteri, Michael Ball to name a few.

Jack Rodwell was another waste of talent due to varied issues.

I don't class Dobbin, or Cannon or any of the others yet as anywhere near Barkley or Rooney's ability.

Right now we need a team that's going to be savvy and clever and have nous about it.

Clive Rogers
78 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:36:16
Several of our players let the ball run out of play when under no pressure. Lack of technique/ability.
Steve Brown
79 Posted 31/08/2023 at 14:53:33
When Dyche has had 2 transfer windows to develop his own squad, then he can be be judged better. We will know more when Harrison, Danjuma, Chermiti and Beto are fully integrated into the squad.

Until then, we should hold back from hiring our 8th permanent manager in 7 years. Clubs who keep sacking manager sink, as we have narrowly avoided in the last 2 seasons.

Rob Dolby
80 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:00:43
Dave 65, My lad just shook his head and said they are all shite! I couldn't disagree.
Robert Tressell
81 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:03:00
I'm generally supportive of Dyche but it's been a dismal start. There's obviously lots of reasons for that - most obviously a weakened squad.

Beto seems like a character as well as a player, which seems like something we need. I think Mina may have been similar.

Steve # 79, yes we need some stability and Dyche (and Thelwell) need time to sort out what remains a dysfunctional squad. Having sorted out the forward line, clearly everyone is now looking at the CB pairing, full-backs and midfield. There's still a lot of work to be done.

It's still very early days in the season, so lets see how the likes of Godfrey, Mykolenko, Patterson and others are shaping up in a couple of months. Dyche has a good track record improving defenders in particular so let's see what he can do with this lot.

Dale Self
82 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:16:52
Barry 76, it is likely the same as the Sky TV coverage of the game. They love watching a crash and will wish it on. Then when it doesn’t happen, crickets.
John Keating
83 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:38:55
Regardless of the result the performance, both as a team and individually was an absolute disgrace.

There can be no excuse for last nights embarrassment. We were playing Doncaster Rovers and were second best to everything conceivable in the first half.
Yes their goal was offside, however, they were more than deserved to be in front
We did improve slightly in the second half but a slight improvement on horrendous is still horrendous

Dave Abrahams
84 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:44:47
Rob (80), Ha- Ha you’ve got a very honest lad there Rob!!
James Lauwervine
85 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:48:26
That first half was the worst performance by any team I have seen - EVER! No cohesion, no skill, no control, no fight, no passion, just continuous poor touches, decisions, positioning and passes.

It really was unbelievably bad. I was actually watching and laughing because I couldn't take it seriously.

Eddie Dunn
86 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:57:27
David @68. The clown Ped is probably clinically depressed. He is getting more downcast with every game.

Sacking Dyche would be knee-jerk. As others have said, the guy has had very little chance to bring in who he wants but the squad is looking better with Beto and Danjuma. Harrison is an upgrade and Mc Neil will soon be back.

Dyche frustrates me but any manager would. We all have our opinions but we don't see training. I was wrong about Gueye. Thought he was poor on Sunday but we looked terrible without him.

I hope we can get a right winger as then Garner can play centrally. I would alternate Onana and Doucoure and there won't be room for both when all are fit.

Will Mabon
87 Posted 31/08/2023 at 15:58:13
Mark @ 51:

That Doncaster fan summary is pretty fair re. the later stages. Had to laugh at the "team of athletes" observation though. All relative I guess.

Tony @ 66:

That's an interesting extra angle, having you as a lip reader. Please post more when you spot them! And it's Betto.

Dale Self
88 Posted 31/08/2023 at 16:37:32
I have to mention that this bi-polar game has challenged almost everyone's perspective in one way or another. Could that be a meta sign of the bottom?

Without Iwobi or McNeil, the integration of the new forwards will be up and down. We may need to go 5-3-2 to cover our weaknesses until then. I think I'm optimistic about the Blades just because I feel that bit of nervousness saying it. That Everton thing.

Ronnie Williams
89 Posted 31/08/2023 at 16:37:37
I think Keane has upset the whole of the defence, they cannot trust him. Get Branthwaite in with Tarkowski until we can replace Tarkowski and maybe Patterson and whichever left-back will then get their confidence back.

Godfrey looked a decent player when we bought him but we have ruined him and could do the same to Garner.

Where are all the players with a bit of spark, like Andy King or Tim Cahill or Stephen Pienaar – do they not exist anymore!

Andrew Ellams
91 Posted 31/08/2023 at 16:47:29
Brighton are close to sealing a loan deal for Ansu Fati. How are we so far behind these teams?
Si Cooper
92 Posted 31/08/2023 at 17:00:31
Personally I wouldn't write off any of our younger players who have had to try to develop whilst desperately seeking points in our exceedingly disjointed first team. I think they are all nervous as hell and overly tense.

I'm surprised Chermiti is apparently being dismissed as not good enough already. He had very little to feed off in his 45 minutes on the pitch but was definitely trying to be involved. From what I saw Dobbin was the worst of all but I am putting it down to simply feeling the immense pressure to try to get the team on the front foot.

Mykolenko started as he started his Everton career, very poor and weak, but markedly improved as the game went on. Still not the complete full-back though with his delivery remaining generally poor.

I think Patterson is also getting a rough ride. I don't think we've had a properly industrious right-winger who will consistently back up the full-back for years and I don't think Garner has shown any real ability to be the perfect foil as the right-sided attacker although he can whip the ball in / be creative.

Barry Hesketh
93 Posted 31/08/2023 at 17:02:58
Andrew @91,

Perhaps, Mail Sport's Sami Mokbe, explains things better than I could.

My understanding of that is the way they are having to structure the deals, to navigate through this season's FFP regulations, meaning that a lot of the money, the bulk of the money that they would have to pay the selling club for said player, has been moved on to pay for next season.

'At the moment they just can't afford the outlay. I don't know the inner machinations of the Beto deal, from my understanding the way that deal would have been structured also would be a large chunk of that money being paid further down the line and kicking the can down the road.

Everton Summer Transfer plans: Massive Financial Fair Play cloud

Jon Harding
94 Posted 31/08/2023 at 17:17:14
The big #14 was fantastic given the circumstances. Moment of the match was the header that hit the post and rattled the whole frame. What a leap! Not seen since the days of Timmy The Blue Kangaroo.

After extensive research, Tony Everan, it's a short "e" sound so BETT-oh.

And what has happened to poor Ben Godfrey? He seems to have the footballing equivalent of the golfing yips. He looks mentally shot. That's what playing next to Michael Keane will do for you.

Joe McMahon
95 Posted 31/08/2023 at 17:26:30
Micheal Keane and Pickford in the same team just does not work. I just wish Sean could see this.
Ian Bennett
99 Posted 31/08/2023 at 18:43:54
The structuring of the deals to pay from next season, has nothing to do with FFP. This us all about cashlfow and completing the stadium.

The accounts will contain the same amortisation charge, whether you pay this year or next.

If we have issues, it will be about selling players way above carrying value. Gray, Branthwaite, etc.

Tony Everan
100 Posted 31/08/2023 at 18:54:55
Will, Jon, thank you, loved the header too.

Also for the goal, the extra bit of pace to get in front of the defender, and the cool flicked finish stood out for me, impressive for a big man. He's got determination too, there is much more to him than just a target man which makes all the difference.

Also I liked the way he didn't go wandering Angus, he knows his job and where he needs to be. An ever-present nightmare for the two centre-backs.

The header had a touch of the Michael Jordan's about it. He hung up there defying gravity!

An aside, check out Michael Jordan's super yacht M*Brace, my goodness, that's the highlife!

Barry Hesketh
101 Posted 31/08/2023 at 19:07:25
Ian @99,

You're likely to be right, but I was trying to show Andrew that we are up the creek without a paddle, regardless of why the deals have to be shaped in the way that they are.

What I don't understand is why so many refuse to accept that the club is in a parlous position, but still they cry 'Why can't we be like X or Y club?' or 'Why aren't we in for this or that player?'

Trevor Bailey
102 Posted 31/08/2023 at 19:10:34
Okay, so the manager is responsible for players not being able to pass to each other. Can't take a decent throw-in, free-kick or corner.

At the end of the day, these are "professional" footballers.
I don't think any of them go into a game thinking "I'm going to play crap today."

The manager can only do so much. Professional pride, effort and belief must start with the players.

Dyche for me has done really well up to now. Win on Saturday and it's a different ball game.

David West
103 Posted 31/08/2023 at 19:50:24
The structure of deals is something I mentioned a couple of weeks ago.
We are kicking the can down the road, we have to, or there would be no signings.

Danjuma – loan
Young – free
Chermiti – £2-4M upfront, the rest in installments.
Harrison – loan
Beto – £25-30M with nothing up front.

Thelwell has basically got all these players in for the fee received for Ellis Simms!!!!

If that is not some decent Dell boy tactics, then I say its whichcraft !!!

Do people remember the days of:
£30M Bolasie??
£50M Sigurdsson??
£25M Gbamin??
£40M Iwobi??

Dyche may not be our long-term answer but he's the right man for now. Thelwell could be the key if he is kept long enough to implement his strategy over a few years.

Jason Li
104 Posted 31/08/2023 at 19:56:46
Good job Beto and Danjuma are now here as quality attacking options. Best pacy addition in years. Players that with ability, football intelligence, can finish, get you excited.

If money's available, we need another centre-back to challenge Tarkowski, and a decent right-winger. This should get the squad through the whole season.

Let Keane or Godfrey go to help them find a comfortable career elsewhere. We can't change 11 positions in one summer window, but this is the last need for me. Good centre-backs can save any mistakes and really affect goals against, so for me I'd want one more decent centre-back.

The evidence so far looks like Thelwell isn't going to waste the money on tosh, so might as well let him continue the revamp until the final second of the transfer window.

Colin Glassar
105 Posted 31/08/2023 at 20:06:00
I'm not sure we'll be doing any more business other than selling Iwobi and Gray.

If we do go for another winger (how many do we need?) then I'd like Sulemana (Southampton) and get Kelvin Phillips in on loan.

Ian Bennett
106 Posted 31/08/2023 at 20:09:39
On last nights showing, it should be Onana or Doucouré leaving – and Iwobi staying.

Absolutely dreadful against 92nd in the league...

Jason Li
107 Posted 31/08/2023 at 20:16:04
Colin @105, maybe give the Iwobi money to Thelwell to spend as a reward for getting £20 million back. Let's see what he comes up with. :)

Chances are he might bring in a proper right winger who can dribble past a full-back, cross, and score goals. Sounds normal, but the squad's not had a proper right-wing specialist in years.

Peter Jansson
108 Posted 31/08/2023 at 21:14:19
Okay, just to be clear. We have 0 points in the league. Yes, it's bad, but for real we should have had 6 points. The reason for 0 points is bad luck and bad refereeing.

So don't blame this on Dyche. We can definitely not fire him. We will have to have some patience here. We will be improved as new players set in. If we sack Dyche now, we will hit the dark ages.

Dave Lynch
109 Posted 31/08/2023 at 21:19:17
Peter @108,

Bad luck and bad refereeing! Not poor tactics and piss poor finishing.

I feel so much calmer now... and await our charge up the table.

Peter Jansson
110 Posted 31/08/2023 at 22:18:58
#109, it is a lot of psychology in this. Tarkowskis goal against Fulham was a good goal. We probably would have won the game with 1-0 there. A couple of millimeters here and there is the reason we did not scored against Wolves. We got outplayd against Villa, that was a poor game. But we should have had 6. If we had 6, everybody would have loved Dyche with exactly the same style of play. It is a short way between heaven and hell.
Paul Kossoff
111 Posted 31/08/2023 at 23:36:33
Colin 105. Kelvin Philips seriously? I would rather sign a pineapple from Tesco's because that would be more use. I've said it on here before, but he's the most overrated pineapple headed bum I've seen in a long time. Even the City fans don't know what the fk he was signed for.

To think that bum has three major winners medals for not lifting a finger is a joke.

Brian Williams
112 Posted 31/08/2023 at 23:52:32

If yer gonna slag the "pineapple headed bum" get his name right man. 🤣🤣🤣

Andy Walker
113 Posted 01/09/2023 at 06:46:32
Dyche = hoofball
Hoofball isn’t going to keep us in the premier league.

He’s a dinosaur who needs to be replaced by Potter.

Chris Leyland
114 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:08:44
I really don t get the Potter fetishists. Dyche’s win rate at Burnley was higher than Potter’s win rate at Brighton.

Potter is/was just a fad.

Duncan Lennard
115 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:34:22
What I saw on Wednesday night was what I’ve seen for the last 30 years supporting this team (apart from that brief Martinez period), but the worst I’ve ever seen it: a fundamental reluctance from the players to support the poor sap on the ball – presumably because they themselves will then become isolated. And no player wants to be the one with the football when the short-lived, token attempt at keeping possession of the ball breaks down. Other Prem teams seem to do this as a matter of course, but not us. I’d be tempted to put this on Dyche as giving the players instruction to help the guy on the ball and the courage/confidence to do so surely comes down to the boss. But with the possible exception of Roberto no other manager has managed it, so perhaps there’s something else going on here. But until it’s sorted this team will always look disjointed, cowardly, less than the sum of its parts, and we will have to live with the one or two flashes of half-decent, joined-up football other teams produce for the full 90.
Danny O’Neill
116 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:45:35
To be clear, I wasn't particularly enthralled with bringing in Allardyce mark 2, but he might be what we need right now for the short term.

Potter? We'd destroy him. Chelsea pretty much did. He was used to being at a well run club with low expectations, which allowed him to exceed beyond expectation because of how the club was run from the top.

And there is the crux of the issue. Thinking of the individual, Everton would be a bad move for him as an individual in my opinion.

Through fear of repetition, and this is no criticism of what he achieved, if he came to Everton, he could end up being the next Mike Walker. We are a knowledgeable crowd, but also unforgiving. Because despite what this current regime has done, they will never remove our expectation. Ever.

I keep saying it. The fundamental problem isn't the manager. Whoever they are. And let's face it we've tried a few in the past seasons.

It is how the club is being run. We are not setting up managers and players for success.

Anyway, we've got Sheffield United tomorrow. That's the focus. We get 3 points on the board.

Andy Walker
117 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:47:21
Chris, I’m sure you don’t get the ‘Potter fetishists’, but then again you don’t get the meaning of the word ‘fetish’ and its use. Look it up.

Dyche played 442 at Burnley with 2 big men up front to contest the long balls hoofed up to them. It worked to a degree, with the 2 strikers scoring most of Burnley’s goals. It stopped working though a couple of seasons ago, as more and more teams had by then, started playing modern progressive football which generally trounces this outdated style of play.

Dyche has now brought this outdated style of play to Everton, but what makes it even less effective is he’s trying to play it with a 451 formation, plus his defence is nowhere near as solid as it was when he was at Burnley.

It’s a recipe for relegation.

Chris Leyland
118 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:42:20
Andy as the chairman of the Potter fetishists, I assume that you are only too aware of the various meanings of the word.

Whatever ‘progressive’ system Potter uses, it doesn’t translate itself into a winning system.

“X was felt by many commentators at this time to be one of the most promising new managers in English football, and he was praised for the positive, attack-minded passing game played by his side.”

“X had to pay substantial compensation to Y to secure his services. But he failed, however, to meet the high expectations of a bigger club”

The words above weren’t written about Potter but they could have been.
They are instead words written about his 90’s equivalent, Mike Walker.

Brian Cleveland
119 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:33:44
Just had a quick flick through the comments and was surprised to see that nobody seems to have picked up on our lack of defending short corners.

Happened time and time again at Villa, wasn't addressed at half time and obviously not addressed since. Doncaster picked upon that, scored from a short corner routine (albeit offside) and created mayhem with others.

That is just plain down to training routines. How can that not be addressed?

Andy Walker
120 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:03:43
Yes Chris I’m aware of the meaning of the word.

I suppose if you spend you evenings getting off to Dyche’s interviews you may think others do the same to other managers. They don’t and neither do I. Still each to their own eh Chris. You’re in a minority though, that may be a shock to you, sorry.

Fetishist is a word with either sexual connotations, or can be used to described someone who has an obsession with an inanimate object (that is, not a living being). You’re clearly thinking the former I know, but as I say you’re in a minority.

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