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The completion of Everton's summer transfer business once again came down to the final day but it was outgoings that dominated the headlines with no more new signings arriving before the deadline.

Kevin Thelwell and Sean Dyche may have hoped to get another signing or two over the line, with a number of positions needing strengthening, but a renewed push for Wilfried Gnonto last night in the form of a £25.7m offer was reportedly rebuffed, ending hopes that Everton might meet the Yorkshire club's valuation.

Kamaldeen Sulemana was another mooted option but Southampton would also have had to lower their demands from £30m if the Blues were to go for a permanent transfer and a loan option was never on the table.

The Blues were also said to have held talks regarding a loan move for Maxwel Cornet, although he is believed to have been a failsafe option in case other targets fall through. 

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Instead, the Blues' first XI was weakened by the loss of Alex Iwobi who completed a move to Fulham even though Joao Paulinha's proposed move from Craven Cottage to Bayern Munich fell through.

A deal worth between £22m was struck this morning but the Nigerian's transfer back to London wasn't ratified until late into the evening.

Like Iwobi, Tom Cannon had expressed his desire to find a new club to get a greater guarantee of regular first-team football and Leicester City moved into pole position to sign him last night. A £7.5m deal was agreed with Everton and he underwent a successful medical before putting pen to paper on his contract at the King Power Stadium.

The biggest surprise of the day was Neal Maupay heading back to London to rejoin Brentford on a season-long loan with an option to make the deal permanent next summer.

André Gomes was, according to Le Parisien, the subject of a very late bid from Lille to take him back on loan but it would have required Everton securing Leander Dendoncker from Aston Villa which didn't get over the line.

And there was a late-breaking news that Jean-Philippe Gbamin managed to negotiate the termination of his contract at Everton.

Meanwhile, the talk surrounding Demarai Gray leaving has died down. The deadline for transfers to the Saudi Pro League is later than that of the Premier League and he can still leave even though the English domestic window closed tonight. 

Everton are in line to collect something in the region of £2.5m from a sell-on clause in their deal with St Etienne for Niels Nkounkou, though. The Frenchman joined Eintracht Frankfurt today for a reported €10.5m.



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Joe Digney
1 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:08:08
Expect nothing but disappointment so any deals that do happen are just a nice surprise.

That’s the golden rule I’ve conditioned myself to in regards to deadline days. The less you check your phone the easier the day is (easier said than done I know).

But my prediction is cornet on loan and a Cb on loan from the continent.

Iwobi, cannon leave today but gray leaves in a week or two towards the end of the Saudi window.

Hope they don’t waste anymore time pursuing gnonto all over again.

Phil Malone
2 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:17:02
Exactly what Joe said except the part about Gnonto. COYB!
Joe Digney
3 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:20:31
Regardless of what deals happen today let’s never forget this absolute classic outside finch farm 🙏.


Best signing we made in years that.

Paul Kernot
4 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:20:52
I know what you mean Joe as deadline days for us generally fizzle out to nothing like a pin wheel in an old box of fireworks that's been left outside.

But come on mate, Phillips on loan from City before we're done today. It's good to dream big.

Joe Digney
5 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:23:50
That would be a dream finish to the window Paul, a last second loan deal for Philips like the year we signed Barry.
Joe Digney
6 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:44:54
I like your optimism on gnonto Phil, ya never know KT may find a breakthrough with leeds.
Anthony Dwyer
7 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:53:54
Selling Cannon is crazy, £5m tops, we would get £1m for a loan !!!
Loan him and he will be worth much more next season, then hopefully we keep him.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
8 Posted 01/09/2023 at 02:54:48
Obviously we could use help in just about every position (because we’re just not that good) but of the shouts for CB, right back, left back, defensive midfielder, creative attacking midfielder, and right wing, I think a defensive midfield replacement for Gana is the most important piece to stabilize the squad once Harrison, McNeill and DCL are back.

Let’s assume Iwobi, Gray and Cannon leave. We have the cover on the right wing with Harrison, Danjuma and and Dobbin. It may not be ideal, but Doucoure, Onana and Garner can cover the center of the pitch. And as old as Coleman and Young are, even if Mykolenko and Patterson aren’t world class, the four of them will have to do, along with Godfrey in an emergency. We’ll keep Keane as center back cover and pray that we’re never down more than once CB at a time.

But Gana to me seems the weakest link. Maybe Garner can take his place, but that negates his creativity. I had not heard before the idea of Phillips, but makes sense if he can’t get into the City squad. That would be huge.

Bill Gienapp
9 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:03:13
I'm not expecting much. Getting the Iwobi and/or Cannon deals over the line and having enough time to actually spend the money judiciously feels like a lot of moving parts - and we're not exactly a club that excels at walking and chewing gum at the same time.

Cornet on loan feels like the most realistic option. All-in-all, that wouldn't be a bad window. Beto almost feels like two signings given our recent paucity of striking options.

Kieran Kinsella
10 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:04:44

Phillips seems perfectly content on his fat wage doing nothing at City. Pep has also criticized his weight gain. I’m not sure he’s someone ready to battle.

Joe Digney
11 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:08:47
Kieran, maybe if we offer him a discount card to the hot wok that may persuade him? Just thinking outside the box here.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
12 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:09:33
If that’s the case, Kieran, then I amend my comment to “not-fat, prime-Leeds, on-reduced-wage Phillips would be huge.”
Kieran Kinsella
13 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:24:26

Lol he could fill that big hole in midfield

Lester Yip
14 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:40:48
Maupay has no taker? Still need to find team for Gomes, JPG, Dele and some youngsters.
Jonathan Oppenheimer
15 Posted 01/09/2023 at 03:48:19
Lester I think we’ll be lucky if someone takes Maupay and Gomes on loan and we pay half the wages. JPG is a mystery but no sign he’ll resurrect his career anywhere above the French second division or something comparable. Dele either comes back with us re-energized and resurrects his career, firing us up the table, or more likely sits the season out or goes on loan if he’s healthy in January — no way we’re paying that £10 million.
Tony Abrahams
16 Posted 01/09/2023 at 04:14:14
Just waiting for Lazarus, to get out of his sickbed and save us once again, otherwise that statement about him being kept on for his experience in the transfer market, will have just been more lies!

Dyche, has already dampened down expectations, explaining that just because a club receives money by selling players - who usually want to leave for a good reason - but if we don’t get in anymore players, there must be major concerns that we have left ourselves short once again

Steve Brown
17 Posted 01/09/2023 at 04:32:22
Lester, I think Everton are now offering a free food blender and 6 cans of beer to the club that buys Maupay.
Steve Brown
18 Posted 01/09/2023 at 04:35:49
Tony A, he’ll leap out of his bath chair and put in a £50 million bid for Harry Maguire.
Steve Brown
19 Posted 01/09/2023 at 04:36:36
Dele is Kenwright business and Beto is Thelwell business. Spot the difference.
Adam Oakensworth
20 Posted 01/09/2023 at 05:39:57
I have a sneaky feeling they will keep some money from selling Iwobi and Gray just in case Dele comes good and we owe Spurs £10m. Its a long shot but he’s a massive upgrade on Iwobi if it does happen.
Dele, Harrison, McNeil, DCL/Beto
Jim Bennings
21 Posted 01/09/2023 at 05:57:46
Still don't think we'll see Dele Alli play again for Everton if I'm honest, the whole deal is too complex with Spurs and us having to pay too much and I've got my doubts Dele will ever have his head back in football.

If we can pull off one of the deals for Gnonto, Sulemana, Cornet or Bakayoko then it would be a decent day, however I still think we are short at centre back, the mere prospect of Keane or Godfrey getting game time fills me with dread so let's pray Tarkowski and Branthwaite stay injury free.

As for selling Cannon, it's a good move because if he does come good who knows in four years it could be we re-sign him from a Championship club but he may never be top flight material.

Iwobi clearly needs finalising today so we can grab some cash instead of losing him for nothing next May.

Kunal Desai
22 Posted 01/09/2023 at 06:08:34
It only took the club around three to four windows to actually bring in prolific striker. Beto finally arrived.

I highly doubt we will bring in anyone else in today.

Geoff Lambert
23 Posted 01/09/2023 at 06:14:28
Iwobi Out Cannon out and some over the hill journeyman in is all we can expect today. As Joe #1 says. Avoid phone and laptop,Sky sports till after 12 tonight, then come on here and see if its worth reading through the comments.
Colin Glassar
24 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:14:56
Outs: Iwobi, Cannon. Ins: Cornet.

I’d love Kalvin Phillips but it will tough unless talks are at an already advanced stage. Remember, our fax machine is dodgy.

Henrik Lyngsie
26 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:25:23
I was told we got a fax machine on a free transfer from City.
Paul Hewitt
27 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:27:49
If we don't sell Iwobi Gray and Cannon, then we won't be signing anyone.
James Potter
28 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:32:33
We need shot of gomes and JPG, draining the club of 170k a week in wages for nothing!
Joe Digney
29 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:34:24
Lille want gray on loan with a small fee.
Tell ‘em to cough up the cash for a permanent, they’ve just pocketed 30 odd million from a sale to brighton.
Steve Shave
30 Posted 01/09/2023 at 07:53:26
I think Gray will go, Saudi clubs (don't forget their window ends 3 weeks after ours) Palace and Fulham all sniffing. We should get a decent fee for him. Otherwise why sell? We can get more in the summer and we loan him out.

If Fulham are paying anywhere near the reported figures (like others I suspect it's more like £15M) then we have to bite their hand off and wish Iwobi well. He has been a good servant of the club and I think it's best for all parties despite his creative output last year.

SD doesn't seem to know what to do with him and basically told the press he wants out. Thelwell seems capable of doing deals in the best interest of the club, imagine that? What he has achieved in this window has been excellent, credit where it's due. People expecting us to sign the likes of Phillips will no doubt disagree with that last sentence.

I think we will get takers on Gomes and Gbamin, heavily subsidised loans no doubt. Our only hope for Alli is a Saudi club or someone in the MLS to make him their marquee signing. I imagine we would have to give him away to get him off the books.

It's going to be a busy day I think, Cannon likely to go also on a perm, I am disappointed about that but again the reported figure makes it of interest if we can get some decent and savvy clauses in the deal. 25% sell on fee and a lowball repurchase price? Other clubs do it and we hold the aces on this one for a change.

If we have any money to spend (and if the above actually happens) I'd like to see an attacking midfielder, the fella Flemming from Millwall a good shout Robert. I can't see us spending big on a winger with Dobbin, Harrison, McNeil and Danjuma in the squad. Wharton plays deeper but looks a real prospect, he could be nurtured and ready to stake a club when Gueye and Doucs are out in Jan.

If it's to be a CB, then Elvedi is really a good option at the reported price. There are many others but we need to ship either one of Keane or Godfrey if we are to get him in. What on earth happened to Godfrey??? It's going to be an interesting day. I will tell myself not to look whilst simultaneously looking every 10 minutes for updates. It's already been a good window, slow but good. I think there will be ins and outs today.

Colin Glassar
31 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:12:49
Regarding my post #24, I also think Gray will leave just not today. I think the desert awaits him.

It would be ace if we could also get rid of Gomes and Jean Paul today. As James said, we are wasting millions in wages on those two. Ali as well.

Mihir Ambardekar
32 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:14:46
Iwobi, Gomes, JPG, Gray and Cannon leaving will provide us with a good kitty and also saved wages. We need 3 players and this window may be our turning point.

1. Defender
2.Tough tackling Midfielder
3. Winger (Preferably non-African)

Next summer our target should be defence by replacing Keane, Godfrey and Myko with good quality and hungry defenders

Mick O'Malley
33 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:17:42
I’d be happier if we signed another Centre Half even if it’s someone on loan, Keane and Godfrey are not good enough, Every time Keane has played this season he has made errors, Godfrey is to erratic, and with Holgate gone we are short in that area, £50 plus millions those 2 cost us, and they’ve been replaced by a free transfer and a young lad from Carlisle, what a waste of money
Mal van Schaick
34 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:19:44
Whatever happens today, at least we have done business and the club have supported Dyche.

I would like to see a few more outs as highlighted by others, and try to sign or loan a defender, a midfielder and a forward. Strengthen through the spine of the team. Gray, iwobi, Cannon, Maupay and Alli. May be a surprise like Godfrey (who has been average at best for us) going, would raise some funds.

Sam Hoare
35 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:20:46
I think dream day today is something like:

Sell Iwobi for £20m+ (much as we’ll miss him)

Sell cannon for £9m plus 25%sell on

Sell Gray for £12m

Buy Sulemana/Gnonto/TresorRW for £25m

Loan Phillips or buy a younger CM like Wharton or Agoume

Loan/buy CB cover like Chalobah/Dier/Maguire etc (and maybe loan out Godfrey who needs game time)

If the window shut right now I think it would have been a pretty good one. Been a while since I could say that. Let’s see what could be added today.

David Bromwell
36 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:26:44
Just read all the above posts and the thing that strikes me most is we still have a number of players on massive wages and no chance of playing, a number who appear to be available for transfer because they are not Dyche type players and a number that we are reportedly interested in. So could be a very busy day or just a very damp squib.

One final thought, I am not sure that we have the backup goalkeeper covered. It seemed strange that Pickford got the nod for the Doncaster game, so maybe a surprise loan move to come in ?

Andy Duff
37 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:30:19
If we sell Iwobi we need a creative midfielder. Before everyone says Iwobi doesn't have many assists that's not his fault we have nobody who can finish. Here are his stats

Alex Iwobi 2022-23 ranked at Everton.

Minutes played - 98.6%

Assists - 1st

xAG - 1st

Key Passes - 1st

Passes into Final 3rd - 1st

Passes into Penalty Box - 1st

Progressive Passes - 1st

Progressive Carries - 2nd

Attempted Dribbles - 1st

Tackles - 3rd

Ball Recoveries - 2nd

He's by far our most creative player. Doucoure is not a number 10 and needs to be moved to the 8 role.

This should be our top priority.

As for selling Cannon. We just signed Chermiti and he is probably the same level as Cannon. Why we didn't save that money and give Cannon a chance is baffling. I'd only loan him out and then see which is better next year him or Chermiti.

One final thing selling all our homegrown players is a mistake. Should we happen to qualify for Europe again we need homegrown players for squad rules this actually makes Cannon more valuable to us than Chermiti

Colin Glassar
38 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:34:57
I think this debate calls for the live forum to be activated. Don’t you?
Jim Harrison
39 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:39:02
Gray has had his moments, but they are too far between and his tendency to slow the pay down is annoying! A good player, but if a bid is over 12 million it represents a very healthy return on the outlay.

Iwobi would need replacing as, although he is a bit of a marmite player, he brings energy and hard running to the side.

Steve Brown
40 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:41:50
Andy @ 37, stop making sense.

John Chambers
41 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:54:56
Getting players out is still probably as important as players in. Dyche clearly doesn’t fancy Gray, he sees Iwobi is a winger where we have plenty of cover and Gomes, Gabamin don’t seem to feature anywhere. Also I’d let Maupay go as presumably Chemitri will be our 3rd striker and I can’t see us playing 2 up top. I would not sell Cannon but would look to loan him to a PNE, Sunderland etc.That should all get some cash in and release some of the wage bill to try and find a creative midfielder which about 5 years after buying 4 in one window we have no one in that role!
In case any one thinks I’ve forgotten about Dele I just don’t see him playing again for us, especially with a minimum of £10m after 7 appearances, and I can’t see anybody buying him
Colin Glassar
42 Posted 01/09/2023 at 08:56:35
Sounds like Gray is going to Lille now.
Andrew Ellams
43 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:02:56
Whilst we debate which player who doesn't want to play for us should go where Brighton are lining up a loan deal for Ansu Fati. It's a shambles all round.
Barry Hesketh
44 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:07:44
Andrew @43
I bet some Brighton fans a few years ago, were saying similar things when Everton were throwing money everywhere, unfortunately on bad players with long contracts and high wages - now that really was a shambles - what we're seeing presently, is the fall-out from it.
Colin Glassar
45 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:11:44
We haven’t got a pot to piss in, Andrew, thanks to Moshiri and kenshite. Any deals have to be structured so we don’t fall foul of FFP so we are severely limited.

Apparently, the October hearing is about unpaid taxes on BMD loans and not dodgy transfers or cooked books.

Joe Digney
46 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:14:49
We’ve made a “late move” to sign sinistera from leeds apparently. Think we all know including the club that’s not happening, they value him more than gnonto 😂.
Think Thelwells pocket dialed leeds again.
Andrew Ellams
47 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:15:16
Colin, it probably doesn't matter what the hearing is on as the potential outcome will still hurt the club.
Barry Hesketh
48 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:15:52
Colin @45
When I first put up a link, a few weeks ago, about the charge being related to taxes on BMD, Michael our esteemed editor in chief, made the point, why would the football authorities be interested in tax affairs, when you'd expect HM Government to be the most interested?
Denver Daniels
49 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:17:29
Gray is in the last year of his contract so if he went on loan to Lille, we'd not see a penny for him. We need to sell him this window.
Dave Lynch
50 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:17:30
"Should we qualify for Europe"
That tickled me.
Ian Bennett
51 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:22:38
No, we have an option on Gray. If he goes on loan - we trigger the option so he doesn't leave for free this summer.
Joe Hurst
52 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:22:45
You see that picture, (on this article), and can’t help but think
“Sean Bauer - is he taking over Kiefer Sutherland’s role?”
Denver Daniels
53 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:25:05
Good to know, Ian. Cheers
Danny O’Neill
54 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:31:42
Interesting discussion.

Iwobi along with McNeil with the new forwards could give us more. Garner in a central role alongside Gueye.

I'm not getting too fussed about the transfer window.

We play Sheffield United tomorrow and there might be a backlog because of today's train strike.

Pete Neilson
55 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:33:04
Interview with Demarai Gray in The Athletic in which he discusses how he likes being close to family and friends and found his stint in Germany pretty tough. Maybe he’s more likely to want a move to another PL club.


Mark Dunford
56 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:33:44
Cornet sounds like a risk - injured without a confirmed return date and in a position where we seem to be stronger, or at least less weak. We need to be very careful about using up loan spaces with players whose impact is likely to be limited at best.

Selling Cannon seems like another risky ploy. Loaning him out and seeing how he and Chermiti develop is better option.

Gray and Gomes seem to be halfway out of the door. Gbamim never really got through it.

Brian Harrison
57 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:34:01
I would suggest that, if we do move anybody on today, we keep that money and use it in January when we will have a clearer picture of our needs. We have yet to see McNeil, Harrison, Coleman, Calvert-Lewin playing regular and ever hopeful we may see a fit Dele Alli.

So maybe better to see how the new additions settle in as well as the returning injured players before spending more at this point.

Tony Everan
58 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:34:10
Most important thing today is making sure we are not weaker by the end of it. We've got no wriggle room to lose any creativity. So if Iwobi and Gray go then we must have one of Gnonto or Sulemana lined up.

Also a centre-back is needed, Godfrey needs to rebuild his career and get a loan somewhere at least until the new year. He's not going to get his game back sitting on the bench.

A midfielder is needed, they must have factored in the Afcon tournament and how that will affect us. Kalvin Philips on loan would be a coup, Adam Wharton a young talent route.

It's a bit late in the day but a loan for a more experienced right back is necessary. Patterson is exposed at the moment and looks like, he needs a full seasons game time at Championship level to develop his all round game.

We really need Gomes and Gbamin moved on at the best subsidised rates we can. Surprised Gomes can't find a Saudi club, it would suit his game and he did well in France last year.

Danny Baily
59 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:39:53
We need a creative midfielder, especially if we let Iwobi go.
Sam Hoare
60 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:42:26
Forest getting Nuno Tavares for around £12M option today.

Interesting player, would be an upgrade I think on Mykolenko who cost £18M. Though maybe not as good defensively.

Oliver Molloy
61 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:47:53
I would be very surprised if we recieve any substantial bids for Iwobi or Gray.
Any interested parties will be trying to do what we are, get player for the cheapest outlay possible.
Danny Baily
62 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:51:34
On Kalvin Phillips, the bookies aren't giving us a chance. I'd be amazed if we pull that off. Hazard is available on a free...
Derek Knox
63 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:52:16
Colin G, @ 24, I bet you are gutted to see Iwobi possibly leave ! :-)
Anthony Hawkins
64 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:53:05
I'm not expecting any incomings. We need them but we're so slow that it's unlikely.

There are gaps across the back line and midfield plus unclear how Beto fits within the striker role. By his own narrative about promising effort rather than goals, he comes across more as a forward who sits behind the striker.

Stu Darlington
65 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:54:58
I think the reality is that we are unlikely to see any significant incomings today unless negotiations have been going on behind the scenes for some time now.13 hours is just not long enough for any protracted wheeling and dealing and the resultant paperwork to be completed.

My guess would be some desperate loan deal for the likes of Cornet or Ings. One with a long-standing calf injury, and the other a Liverpool reject, old, injury-prone, and who's had more clubs than Tiger Woods.

But either would be better than Maupay! Ings has been known to score the odd goal or two all be it in the past!

Outgoings seem more likely, but not the ones we most want gone, eg, Gomes, Gbamin etc.

Nathan Jones
66 Posted 01/09/2023 at 09:59:08
I wrote this on another thread but probably best here

I don't know what the DOF and recruitment team at Everton do, just read through ToffeeWeb and the criteria are clear:

Premier League Proven
A proven track record over several seasons
20 goal a man
A diamond no one has heard of
Creative, but never loses the ball
Dogged and imaginative
Low wages
Young but with years and years of experience at the top level.
Good disciplinary record
Have an ugly side to his game
Be ambitious
Not a mercenary who just wants what's best for himself.

Above all else this 20-goal-a-season Premier League proven player must see moving to bottom-of-the-league Everton as a step up.

Barry Hesketh
67 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:01:54
Well this snippet from the Evening Standard, is news to me, and probably to most Evertonians. The report does seem to indicate that the move will happen.

Iwobi will offer Fulham valuable competition for places in attacking areas, with left-wing his favoured position. Source: Evening Standard

Andrew Ellams
68 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:02:12

I expect there will be but don't expect them to blow your socks off.

Why do Chelsea need Cole Palmer? Are they trying to start a league where they can field every team in it?

Colin Glassar
69 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:04:43
Derek, I haven’t stopped crying since I heard the news🤭🤭🤭
Jack Convery
70 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:15:01
The Current Bosman Freebies XI, ( Stats for 22/23 ). Most valued are picked.

GK - David De Gea ( needs no introduction ). Valued at £13m.

RB - Reggie Cannon USA Int. Age 25. PL 33 games. £4m
CB - Sergio Ramos ( you may know him ). Age 37. PL 45 games £4.5m
CB - Axel Tuanzebe Age 25. PL 5 games. on loan at Stoke. £4m
LB - Yairo Moreno Age 28, PL 34 games. £4m.

DM - Nampalys Mendy Age 31. PL 24 games. £2.5m
CM - Roberto Pereyra Age 31 PL 36 games. 5 goals 9 assists. £6m. *
AM - Jesse Lingard Age 30 PL 20 games. 2 goals 2 assist. £8m

RF - Tanguy Coulibaly Age 22 PL 16 games 4 goals. £2.5m
CF - Alfredo Morelos Age 27 PL 45 games 12 goals 7 assists. £6m
LF - Eden Hazard Age 32 PL 10 games 1 goal 2 assists. £5m.

* My Pick and a mate of Betos. Played together last season.

Mark Ryan
71 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:16:28
Will be very happy to see the headless chicken gone and Demari stay. Gray is the better footballer IMO and a better goal threat. Seems he might be off to balance the books but if we can hold on to him Sean dyche just might wake up and use him to supply Beto. Harrison being fit is no given
Denis Richardson
72 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:16:41
Will be an interesting day but unlike the last couple of years I'm ok if we don't sign anyone else. Beto was the main need and Danjuma and Harrison will significantly improve us is attack.

Patterson needs games to get better so let him make his mistakes and try to limit them by having older heads play next to him. Young is better than Vinagre (and Mykolenko).

Need to get Iwobi out purely for financial reasons given cost and wages. Gray less so, I am okay if he stays or goes given he didn't cost much. Cash in bank or extra squad depth.

Branthwaite replaces Mina and Davies is no real loss.

When most people are fit we'll be an okay team hopefully able to get to 12th to 14th without any finger gnashing later in the season.

Badly need a result this Saturday as we then have 3 tough looking games after. However, I cannot imagine we'll finish below Luton and Sheffield Utd so not all doom and gloom. Very early days, table doesn't mean anything. Had we had a striker, we could already be on 6 points rather than 0..

Chris Williams
73 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:17:38
Iwobi having medical at Fulham according to Sky.

Also, we are back in for Gnonto.

Mark Ryan
74 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:20:48
Bye, Alex…
Joe Digney
75 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:20:53
Twitter is going mad here.

Iwobi's medical happening now…

We want Harrison Reed from Fulham

Gnonto back in talks.

No mention of a centre-back which is worrying.

Tony Everan
76 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:22:03
Sounds like, with the Iwobi sale imminent, we can now try to come up with terms Leeds want for Gnonto.

He would be an exciting signing, but I feel we need a centre-back and midfielder as more of a priority now we have Danjuma, Harrison and Beto, also Calvert-Lewin back.

Dave Lynch
77 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:22:04
I posted on ToffeeWeb weeks ago that we would be scrambling around deadline day for cheap players and other clubs misfits. It's the Everton way and has been for years.

How the striker situation went on for so long is beyond comprehension, I expect the usual bullshit from the club.

"We pinpointed our targets but unfortunately blah blah blah..."
Meanwhile, at Kenwright Towers.

Colin Glassar
78 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:28:44
Interest from Spain for Gbamin. Gnonto back on (I hope he's as good as some think). Iwobi having his Craven Cottage medical.

This is Everton. Expect the worst.

Dave Abrahams
79 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:29:00
Bill (9),

Don't expect much, good advice and I loved that phrase “Spend the money judiciously” – it took me back to one of my favourite films “The Maltese Falcon” with Sydney Greenstreet.

We seem to be using the transfer market a lot more wisely than in the past with Thelwell doing the business instead of the genius Kenwright.

So that's it, Bill, don't expect much but maybe pleasantly surprised.

Tony Everan
80 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:30:47
“Everton are confident of signing Wilfred Gnonto, after funds of Alex Iwobi's move to Fulham. “

Positive noises about this move now.

Sam Hoare
81 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:31:17
Hope the Iwobi bashers have champagne on ice!
Jack Convery
82 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:31:43
EFC don't like paying wages / fees for new signings in July and for as long as possible in August – just another consequence of the financial mismanagement of the club. Young on a free, Danjuma and Harrison on loans – wages low I expect.

I see Leicester papers are claiming Leicester have got Cannon. Maybe we could loan Maupay to Preston North End.

Joe Digney
83 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:34:15
Sam, I'm already on my 3rd bottle.
Colin Glassar
84 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:37:24
£20M for Iwobi but only £1M up front. The rest is add-ons and performance-related bonuses. We are screwed.

Sam, I'm already tipsy.

Gbamin going to Cadiz

Brent Stephens
85 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:38:54
Dave L. #77.

You can't judge the transfer window until it's closed.

Unless it's to bash Kenwright.

Tony McNulty
86 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:39:01

Iwobi makes me think of the annoying bluebottle that comes in the open window over summer when you're sitting reading. It's neither achieving anything, nor dangerous, but you know you'll have to deal with it at some point.

He seems a really nice guy, but for £34 million and a monthly wage he has been uninspiring mediocrity, and EFC can do much better.

Jim Bennings
87 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:39:55
£20 million for Iwobi has to be taken, he doesn't want to stay, there's no hard feelings he's worked hard in his four years here but his goal return in that time has been hugely disappointing for a player that should be at his peak.

Hopefully he does well at Fulham.

Paul Birmingham
88 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:40:24
Colin, hopefully Gomes can be moved on too.

Stan Grace
89 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:41:14
Hasn't Eden Hazard announced his retirement from playing? Some cynics would suggest he did that when he signed for Real Madrid.
Phil Martin
90 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:43:39
We're not signing anyone. The Iwobi and Cannon money will disappear just like the mythical Arteta money.
Barry Hesketh
91 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:44:23
I think Sean Dyche alluded to the reason(s) that the likes of Iwobi want to leave, Money! Money! and more Money! Dyche didn't say that implicitly but I believe that's what he meant.

All those fans saying that x player will be missed because of certain statistical criteria, it doesn't matter a jot, if the player wants more cash, he'll choose to leave. Of course, Everton could have prevented a move, but that would have meant losing a decent fee to help with recruitment.

It doesn't matter if it's a pound down and the rest over a few years, it's money incoming, that wouldn't have been there without selling the player this year.

Colin Glassar
92 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:46:41
Not a peep about Gomes so far paul.

£20M for Iwobi. £7.5M for Cannon. Unkown amount for Gbamin. Sell on % for Nkonkou. A few quid for Gray. We are rolling in it.

Correction: £22M for Iwobi. Thank you Marco.

Harrison Reed now being linked. Good player.

Kevin Molloy
93 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:51:09
Fulham have bid £15M for Michael Keane, but it's understood the manager wants to keep him.
Dan Nulty
94 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:55:01
£22M for Iwobi is a miracle. I genuinely can't believe we have turned £15M for Keane down.
Joe Digney
95 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:56:49
Really picking up pace on Gnonto and Reed now.

We can't get our hopes up though as we're still Everton, we will somehow end up with a one-legged Cornet and Michael Keane on a new 6-year deal.

Nick Page
96 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:57:23
Turned down £15M for Keane?

Oh my eyes, what is this madness….take the money and leg it — Now!!!

Kevin Molloy
97 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:59:13
Sorry that last one wasn't quite true. But no more unbelievable clearly than getting £22M for Iwobi.
Colin Glassar
98 Posted 01/09/2023 at 10:59:46
Don't know who's thicker, Dyche or Southgate. Turning down £15M for Keane is madness.
Nick Page
99 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:00:04
Harrison Reed has run rings around our midfield every time we’ve played Fulham. And he’s ginger!!! 😂
Colin Glassar
100 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:01:01
Nick, we haven’t had a decent ginger since Bally.
Kevin Molloy
101 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:01:53
imagine being a Fulham fan and wandering onto an Everton site to see how upset the fans are over the departure of your new signing.

Only to see corks popping everywhere…

Nick Page
102 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:02:33
On Sky Sports News strapline….

“Chelsea sign Cole Palmer for £42.5M from Chelsea on 7-year deal”


Kevin Molloy
103 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:04:33
They've played hardball there getting that much out of themselves.
Michael Lynch
104 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:04:59
Fulham have offered Iwobi higher wages than we have for his next contract, and I would imagine he would be happy with a move back to London.

Whether we need him this season or not is pretty irrelevant, it's a deal that makes sense for the player and for us. Not sure if it makes sense for Fulham, but that's their problem.

Denis Richardson
105 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:06:49
Kevin @93, I hope that was a joke – please say it was!

If we've really turned down Keane for £15M that would be ridiculous. Like turning down £15M for Maupay.

Then again, he's an ex-Burnley man so will be a Dyche fav.

Barry Rathbone
106 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:06:56
Oh! for a Lukaku last-minute miracle with a Delboy thrown in.

Martinez was as near as damn it a miracle worker that year with Barry and McCarthy to come and the development of Stones and reinvention of Oviedo and Barkley.

If only Moshiri and Usmanov had turned up by the end of that first year to replace the porous Moyes defence in toto.

Geoff Lambert
107 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:07:07
Keane is a good solid defender; we will all miss him so much if he leaves us.
Denis Richardson
108 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:14:36
Geoff - very right.

Keane is a fantastic leader and an immense wall at the back. I think he's probably the best defender we've had since we last won the title. We'd be in a sorry state if we lost him, can't believe he's not playing for a Champions League club tbh.

£15M would be an absolute bargain. He's worth at least 5 times that!

Dan Nulty
109 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:21:54
The Keane offer is pure fantasy, I've heard. Nothing in it.
Jon Harding
110 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:22:41
I know it's a joke - Keane for £15M to Fulham - but my question would be: are we paying them or are they paying us?
Jon Harding
111 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:24:23
No Gomes news. With Garner our new right-back, that frees up a space in centre-midfield. It'll be like a new signing!
Dan Nulty
112 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:26:19
I watched Gnonto on Tuesday. He was not impressive, I have to say.
Benjamin Dyke
113 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:28:34
Iwobi represents everything that's gone wrong for us the last 5 years or more and selling him is hopefully a move away from those mistakes.

It's not that he's an absolutely terrible player, he clearly has some ability, but we paid way over the top for a player that had had a few good appearances in a good Arsenal team. At that money, we needed someone who could genuinely carry the team.

Yes, he has also been a victim of the instability at the club during the same period, new managers, new DOFs etc and he seems like a nice bloke but he's been a flop alongside many other flops. We wish him all the best and hopefully use the money for more incisive signings!

Barry Hesketh
114 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:31:12
Keane is an Everton player, isn't he? Judging by most comments on here, it seems he is the enemy within.

It's not his fault that we paid money for him or signed him, or that every manager that's been at Goodison during his time have chosen him to play.

Believe me when I say that we've had far worse defenders than him in the team over the years.

Jamie Sweet
115 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:32:52
Iwobi to Fulham for £22M just got the "here we go" treatment from Fabrizio Romano on Twatter.

That basically means it's a done deal, Fabrizio is never usually wrong.

Pat Kelly
116 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:34:40
EFC have just issued a statement saying there will be NO more signings today as we can't afford paper for the fax machine.

Paul Hewitt
117 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:35:43
Wonder if Mina has found a new club yet?
Dan Nulty
118 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:36:16
Fiorentina, Paul.
Dan Nulty
119 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:37:06
Talking of Serie A signings, Davy Klaassen signed for Inter today!

Bonkers world we live in.

Ian Bennett
120 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:41:22
£22M for Iwobi. Someone is going to get fired for missing the decimal… 😂
Tony Everan
121 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:42:46
Pat, Bill will be trying to feed kitchen roll into it at 10:55. “We tried!”
James Hughes
122 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:44:11
Dan ~119,

Klaassen is a good player, just not suited to the pace and speed of the Premier League

Colin Glassar
124 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:44:30
Miracles do happen, Ian.
Gerry Western
125 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:47:54
Barry #106, Totally agree.

You could also make an argument for Coleman's rejuvenation as well.

I posted something similar on another thread, if only they'd backed Martinez when he wanted to sign Van Dijk, we'd be in a very different place today.

Jack Convery
126 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:48:53
Mina at Fiorentina.
Colin Glassar
127 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:50:30
Mason Greenwood has gone to Lazio.
Andrew Ellams
128 Posted 01/09/2023 at 11:59:31
Forest look busy today.
Tony Everan
129 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:06:28
From two separate places, one Italian journo saying move is near, another reporting Wilfred Gnonto's agent is in London to close a deal with Everton.

Could be happening.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
130 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:10:48
I love the Martinez did good back in 2014 – presumably at that time Bill had no involvement – but neither did he when we signed the players in Moyes's time. Seems he only got involved when Moshiri came in. 🤔

Life and transfer dealings are sometimes grey.

Niall McIlhone
131 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:13:37
I see Kieran Tierney has quietly exited Arsenal on loan to Real Sociedad. I cannot believe we never tried to get Tierney, who is a very talented left-back who would offer a lot both defensively and going forward. Ah, well.

As for Alex Iwobi, I agree with views on here which suggest the Fulham move is good for both player and club. For me, Iwobi has always given his all in a blue shirt, even in games where we were clearly bereft of any creativity, he always showed for the ball and at least tried to make something happen.

How we get by without anyone even resembling a Number 10 remains to be seen. If Harrison Reed is, indeed, available and fancies the move, he would be a very shrewd signing. He links play in the final third very effectively.

Kieran Kinsella
132 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:15:43
Looks like no incomings. I guess we need the Iwobi money to pay wages and keep the power on.
Mick Davies
133 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:16:13
Tom Cannon off to Leicester: hope we don't live to regret this, he was never given a chance.
Barry Hesketh
134 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:21:56
I don't know whether Cannon will become a decent Premier League player, but there's not much interest in him from fellow Premier League clubs.

He might do well at a club trying to gain promotion to the top tier, very similar to Simms in that way.

Tom Bowers
135 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:22:25
Many of us would like to have seen a couple more new faces and a few deadbeats offloaded but it doesn't seem likely now.

We are still apprehensive after that dreadful first-half performance against Doncaster but at least two new guys showed they can score.

Dyche needs to get them playing as a tighter unit and stop some of the awful passing out of their own half which always seems to put them under pressure.

Whilst I don't like to see too much of the 'long-ball' tactic, perhaps the height of Beto might be of use if they can get the ball to him early and he can hold it up.

With a few new attackers, just maybe we can pose more of a threat in the opposition half going forward.

John Pickles
136 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:22:26
SkyBet have Gnonto at 8/13 to move to Everton now, only 6/5 to stay at Leeds.
Simon Harrison
137 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:27:24
I was waiting for the window to close before commenting, but I have a reason to so.

There is an option to go in for Nico Elvedi from BMG who is at the right age (26) is an international, and has played at one of the better clubs in the Bundesliga.

He is an accomplished player, who is looking for a new challenge and can play both sides of the CB positions, and at RB.

BMG are allowing him to go for approx £4.3m (circa €5m) and there seems little other interest in him.

Seeing as though we are crying out for backup at both CB and RB, why don't we go in for him; either staggered payments or loan to buy with an upfront loan payment?

Seems a no brainer to me, and kills two birds with one Stones (If you excuse the pun)

@Sam Hoare, Rob Tressall, any one else; any thoughts on this? (NE, and below)

My last thought, if we did get him, the only other burning need would be to get a genuine RW like André Palminha (Prt), his main position is RW, (but a lot like Diogo Dalot) he is multi positional in that he can play RM, and RB, and he can play off both feet? Not to mention he's rapid!

What does our Scouting and recruitment team do all year (every year)? Don't forget that these are the same people who said Haaland would never make it when we had him early doors... Ot that VVD wasn't worth the money!?

Colin Glassar
138 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:29:02
£5M for Gbamin.
Craig Walker
139 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:29:20
I hope we don't put all our eggs in the Gnonto basket, get rebuked and then read tomorrow on TW that “Everton tried with a last-minute bid for X, but failed.”

We need a centre-half and a central midfield player. We look weak at fullback, too.

Mick Davies
140 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:30:20
Is Gray still a blue? I hope so, we can't afford to lose another creative player with Iwobi leaving.

With our injury record, the more 'reliable' bodies, the better.

Barry Hesketh
141 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:30:57
Well there goes the lifetime membership to Bill Kenwright Productions for the Stubbs family:

Alan Stubbs has described Everton chairman Bill Kenwright as a "bad smell" while slamming the transfer strategy at his former club.

The central defender, who played 191 times for the club across two spells, hasn't held back in his assessment of the Toffees as they sit bottom of the Premier League table having narrowly avoided relegation in each of the last two seasons.

Everton, who are set to move into their new Bramley-Moore Dock stadium next year, have also had a disappointing transfer window with only three notable permanent arrivals.

Stubbs told William Hill and Footy Accumulators' podcast: "Our chairman is like a bad smell that doesn't want to go away.

"He's hanging on, but this club needs a fresh start, a fresh output. We need new finance and new ideas because we, as a club, are stale. There's a lack of information from the boardroom to the director of football about how this club is going."

He added: "For me, what's going down in the background is affecting what we are seeing on the pitch.

"There is too much noise in the background – the chief executive went, the finance officer left, and Graeme Sharp, unfortunately, left, who was probably just guilty by association and shouldn't have probably gone."

He added when asked about the transfer strategy at Goodison Park: "Their recruitment has been nothing short of diabolical; they have spent close to £600 million on bang-average players.

“Everton are in a worse state now than they were before they even spent a penny – surely that's impossible to do?

"You could bring in anyone off the street and they would probably do a better job than what the recruitment has done at the club.

"Some people may be wondering why Everton are in the position that we are at the moment. They need to look in the mirror and take responsibility. No one has taken responsibility; it's all been a blame game."
Source: Daily Star

Ray Jacques
142 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:31:12
Barry, liked your post about Keane, but you are judging him against an extremely low bar.

Keane, Keeley, Krøldrup, maybe we shouldn't buy centre-backs beginning with K.

Cheeky bid for Maguire on loan would be good.

Not bothered about Iwobi leaving. Every player we sell from the current crop of dross is a bonus. Surprised we can get a fee for any of them.

Andrew Ellams
143 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:32:37
Colin, I'd take a fiver just to get him off the payroll.
Barry Hesketh
144 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:33:27
Ray @142

I still have nightmares about Williams, Alcaraz and Funes Mori! To name but three.

Dan Nulty
145 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:33:41
Leeds adamant not going anywhere, we need to move on. Either sign Nusa or Sulemana, pay what they want if we are desperate for a winger.
Clive Rogers
146 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:35:35
It's so disappointing that we have to sign so many foreign players and none of our academy players seem to be good enough.

Dobbin was very poor on Wednesday. We won't have any homegrown players as starters. Sign of the times, I suppose.

Jack Convery
147 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:37:49
An eye on our opponents

Premier League so far today.

11.45 BST Clement Lenglet [Barcelona - Aston Villa] Loan

10:30 Matheus Nunes [Wolves - Manchester City] £55m

10:00 Nuno Tavares [Arsenal - Nottingham Forest] Loan

10:00 Tommy Doyle [Manchester City - Wolves] Loan

09:30 Cole Palmer [Manchester City - Chelsea] £40m

09:00 Altay Bayindir [Fenerbahce - Manchester United] £4.3m

Chris Corn
148 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:43:02
I'm focusing on positives. Getting £17 mill for the three Academy lads and hopefully the best part of circa £35m for Iwobi and Gray shows that the negotiating team are getting things right at last.
And even if Gray stays. He's a pacey winger that will get you 6-7 goals. Think Gnonto got 2 last season.
Bryan Houghton
150 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:46:32
Fab Romano just 'here we go'd to Fulham, for up to £22 mill, including add-ons. I don't know how I feel about that.

The money - yes.
Enough time to spend it - not sure.
In-house replacement - nope, don't see anyone.
Anxious for any creativity within the squad - yep, loads.

Next 11 hours may make this feel better, or a lot worse.

Jack Convery
151 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:46:55
Now lets take a look at clubs not run by BK and Moshiri - you know the one's Brighton and West Ham.

The 2023-24 Europa League group stage draw has been completed -

Full groups featuring British clubs:

Group A: West Ham, Olympiakos, Freiburg, TSC Backa Topola

Group B: Ajax, Marseille, Brighton, AEK Athens

Group C: Rangers, Real Betis, Sparta Prague, Aris Limassol

Group E: Mordor FC, LASK, Union SG, Toulouse

another tough one for the Mordor XI.

Jack Convery
152 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:57:33
Wolves have now sold Neves and Nunez for a combined £100m ! and in my opinion, are a lot less well off on the pitch.

Mordor have turned down £150m for Salah. Are we about to see the first £200m transfer.

Come on Salah go on strike, You know it makes sense !!

Pat Kelly
153 Posted 01/09/2023 at 12:59:23
Gnonto on the verge of joining Everton. Someone always ends up on the verge on deadline day.
Anthony Dove
154 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:15:15
We had our hat nailed on by Arsenal with Iwobi but at least we
are recouping some of the fee. Would be very disappointed if
we sold Cannon.
Paul Hewitt
155 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:16:44
Keep Gray, I wouldn't go anywhere near Gnoto.
Kieran Kinsella
156 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:18:46
Gbamin agent quoted today as saying he’s had no contact from ANY club. Bit embarrassing that really after publicly stating he wanted to go to Bundeliga to end his Everton “nightmare” not one club in the whole world have even made an enquiry for him. What a signing he’s proven to be for us. Him and Godfrey for a cool 50 million combined. Jeez
Graham Hammond
157 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:19:49
I was gutted to see our best defender, Yerry Mina leave the club, we are all the weaker for it, equally, I will be gutted to see our best player and most creative central midfielder, Alex Iwobi go too. £22M is decent money and reflects his talents but I do have huge worries (again!) going forward about our ability to stay in this league devoid of two of our very top talents. £22M is of little use and value if the recruitment going forward is shite, the financial cost of relegation is enormous, I fear the club may even go bust. We are, as things stand, one of bookies favourites to go. I cannot blame Alex Iwobi for wanting to leave, the football we play is wretched, the appalling stats against Doncaster Rovers back this up. I am saddened that Alex Iwobi was never used in his best position by our current manager, it isn't as if the other central midfield players have done particularly well, they have not. I hope we can use the Iwobi money to buy a player who like Alex, will help save us from relegation, not a 'jam tomorrow' £15M signing such as Chermiti. Early doors but Beto looks like a good signing, but as Sam H alluded, sadly ironic that he comes through the door just as we lose the most creative player we have to serve him.
Mike Doyle
158 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:21:28
I guess the most nervous man in the football world today must be Mo Salah's agent.
Jack Convery
159 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:22:47
If we want a decent CB we should look at Lloyd Kelly at Bournemouth. 12 mths left on contract. Age 24. Left footed and tall 6ft 4". He can play LB too. Captain of Bournemouth at such a young age speaks volumes. Offer them Keane or Godfrey plus some cash. We need 3 decent CBs - we only have two. They are looking for a forward so offer them Maupay.
Ray Said
160 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:23:54
In my opinion, the one signing that would have the most impact would be a proper defensive midfielder to protect the weak defensive line.

Gueye has tried his best but his best attributes are harrying and winning the ball back. We need a proper sitter.

Rod Harrington
161 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:25:04
They should sell Salah and replace him with Maupay. End of.
Nick Page
162 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:27:23
Apols - should have posted this here.

£150m + £1.5m per week for a 31 y/o Salad. Wow. Both he and FSG would be crazy to turn that down. The thing for me though is that he’s a Klopp player and will do next to fuck all going elsewhere - same as Mane, Cortinaho etc etc. Before Bingo struggle cuddled him in the changies he couldn’t get near the Chelsea side. Did ok at Roma, and then spent fist season back in the PL and broke records - out of feckin nowhere - but that’s just cos they’re the jammiest bastards known to man and have spent 60 years having 20 goal a season strikers unlike every other team in world football.
Astonishing sums of money being offered.

Ansu Fati to Brighton. Jeezus 😮

Dan Nulty
163 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:28:32
Not sure nervous Mike is the word. He will be in for a £20M payday as his agent!
Stefan Busby
164 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:30:05
Just stick a bullet in Gambin.

Absolute fuck all use to anyone.

I've never seen a biggest waste of money in the club's history than this cunt.

Nick Page
165 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:32:36
Graham #157 - hahaha very funny. I see what you’ve done there ;-)
Paul Hewitt
166 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:34:28

Bit harsh, don't you think?

Nick Page
167 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:35:38
Why haven’t EFC cancelled Gbamin’s contract? Imagine calling us a nightmare when we’ve basically paid all his medical bills for 4 years. Ungrateful piece of shit.
Barry Rathbone
168 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:36:03
Gerry Western @125,

Roberto showed what could be done with courage and innovation but in this day and age it's not enough, cold hard cash is king and he didn't have it.

During the Martinez era, the Echo reckoned he brought in 24 players, only 3 of which officially exceeded the £10M threshold.

Untold millions later we are nowhere near his record points total, the 2 cup semis and some scintillating football. Yet on Everton forums (not day-to-day blues on the street, I might add) there exists a rewrite of history claiming Moyes left him a marvellous defence to negate his achievements.

That defence collapsed under pressure every time – even though they were in an 11 set up to defend.

The bizarre thing is a lack of money excused every failure of Moyes during his decade but it seemed that line of reasoning became null and void under Roberto.

It's true fans get the club they deserve.

John Raftery
169 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:38:09
Nick (167),

I think it was more a case of the club telling Gbamin, or more likely his agent, that he was not wanted and should try to find another club.

Jack Convery
170 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:44:51
Forget Lloyd Kelly, Spurs are in for him. One missed there methinks.

Just don't sign Tanganga – he's crap and injury-prone.

Another centre-back whose contract is up next summer is Tosin Adarabioyo of Fulham. Age 24. Played 73 games over past 2 seasons – no injuries. Silva brought him in from Man City Academy.

Anthony Hawkins
171 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:49:38
@Colin Glassar #100 - Stuart McCall wasn't all that bad!
Benjamin Dyke
172 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:50:40

Moyes did not need many excuses (except towards the end maybe) as we actually played some good football, achieved good league placings, had European football regularly and it was all achieved with little money relative to the competition.

Martinez had 1 good season. The season after was a disaster.

What is that gumph you finish with? Football fans get the club they deserve? Give me one example...

Are you saying our loveable neighbours have had success because of their fans, and Man Utd and currently City?

Bollox... Why come on here goading fellow Blues? It's your attitude you should be checking – not others!

Colin Glassar
173 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:51:55
Not looking good on the Gnonto front. Leeds are digging their heels in and refusing to budge. Can't blame them really.

Unless we can get in someone last-minute, eg, Cornet, I think we might be done for this window. I hope not.

He was no Bally, Anthony.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
174 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:54:38
Colin - nobody was 😥
Kieran Kinsella
175 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:55:42
Next Summer, Coleman, Young, Gueye, Gomes, Alli, Lonergan, and Gbamin are all out of contract. Danjuma and Harrison go home. Meaning 9 players leaving for free.

Any money we get for Iwobi and Gray is good as they'd be 2 more needing replacing next summer with zero money coming in if they run down their deals.

I guess the “plan” is the revenue keeps us solvent this season. We somehow keep our few decent players fit all season and avoid relegation. Then next summer it might be easier to find new investors as the new stadium will be all but complete.

Tim Kells
176 Posted 01/09/2023 at 13:59:57
In terms of Gray, he doesn't have to leave today. The Saudi transfer window doesn't shut for another 2 weeks. Some might say perfectly timed so that we can't spend the money.

Pleased about Iwobi. Six league goals in 4 seasons and a succession of managers not knowing his best position sums it up. One of the worst of the current dross.

Jack Convery
177 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:02:20
Anyone know anything about Albert Sambi Lokonga of Arsenal. Luton trying to loan him. He's DM/CM player aged 23.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
178 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:02:53
For he who said we are only getting £1M as an initial payment for Iwobi – the answer is 43 weeks remaining on his contract at £120k per week plus £1M = £6,177,000 improvement in our profit and loss.

Less the £5,600,000 he is valued in the books at 1 July 2023.

Question for Paul the Esk: Presume any other guaranteed fee above £1m - does it count for FFP when the deal is done or when the money is received?

Colin Glassar
179 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:03:40
I’m getting off the Gnoto merry go round. Now Twitter is saying we’ve agreed a £45m deal for him. Get lost!!!
Kieran Kinsella
180 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:04:32

Get Gnonted. I don't want him anyway based on his propensity to strike.

Colin Glassar
181 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:06:02
Same here, Kieran. I’m still hoping chairman bill will put in a cheeky bid for Mbappe.
Andrew Ellams
182 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:07:08
Kieran, bigger names than him have pulled that stunt.
Duncan McDine
183 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:07:57
Paying too much for shite players is what we do best since Moshiri arrived... welcome aboard Gnonto.
Andrew Ellams
184 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:08:39
Colin there's a few of our lovable red friends who think Mbappe will be coming their way if Salah does move on.
Christine Foster
186 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:10:29
I see Siggy has got a one year contract with Danish club Lyngby Boldklub. Hope it works out for him.
Kieran Kinsella
187 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:14:48
Maupay on loan to Brentford. Not sure a loan does us much good…
Rob Halligan
188 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:19:52

I doubt we could give him away, so might as well let him go out on loan. It does include an option to buy, but no doubt Brentford won't take up that option in 12 months time.

Kieran Kinsella
189 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:23:22

I guess I'm getting greedy after Iwobi. Never thought we'd recoup most of our money on him.

Colin Glassar
190 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:24:42
What if we offer Kenwright to Leeds as part of the deal? After all, fellow chairmen often ask him…
Justin Doone
191 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:25:19
Iwobi for £15M is good business, especially if he's in or approaching the final year.

His pace and energy will be badly missed and although he's had a good few seasons, and very few injuries we should be able to find a better replacement.

Gray I'm happy to keep.

Dale Self
192 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:25:21
It’s alright. Maupay will get some game time in a system in which he is more effective. Might be able to move him on return. I do wonder about the live forum implications. Who’s next?
James Marshall
193 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:26:49
Jack Harrison has already been bought to replace Iwobi.
Mick O'Malley
194 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:30:49
Christine, agreed, it's sad how it ended for him at Everton, we certainly missed his goals.

Benjamin, I'd love a Martinez disaster season, 2 semi-finals.

Steve Brown
195 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:31:14
£45 million for Gnonto?!

We should pass on that one.

Jack Convery
196 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:33:14
Albert Sambi Lokonga seems to have fallen out of favour with Arteta. At 23 he must be worth a look. He cost them £17m from Anderlecht in 2021.

Anyone know any Arsenal fans. Kompany made him Captain for Anderlecht and he has tried to buy him but the deal collapsed.

Steve Brown
197 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:33:25
Maupay is a loan with buy option.
Steve Brown
198 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:35:08
James, I don't think Harrison is a replacement for Iwobi in that CAM role?
Andrew Ellams
199 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:35:31
Wow! Fabrizio saying Maupay is on route for his medical right now.
Jack Convery
200 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:36:20
1st game at BMD. Everton V Brentford. Maupay scores first goal at BMD. Very Everton that.
Pat Kelly
201 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:37:12
Maupay on loan to Brentford. That’s another goal we have to replace this season.
Paul Hewitt
202 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:38:43
You watch Maupay turn into Haaland now.
Dan Nulty
203 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:38:58
I've heard £30M for Gnonto with add-ons to £38M. Seems like a lot for an unproven player.
Eddie Dunn
204 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:39:32
Alex is a lovely lad...

I would be an incredibly nice guy if I had to run around for two hours a day, eat food cooked by a top chef and take home tens of thousands of pounds every week, and spend my evenings thumbing through catalogues of desirable things whilst talking shit to my friends.

Rob Hooton
205 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:43:46
Barry, that Stubbs interview hits the nail on the head. He's a good lad.

I think Iwobi will do well at Fulham, as they have players that can pass the ball to each other then move into space, something we have t seen much of for a while.

Gnonto does not excite me at all, yet another relegated player who seems to have an attitude problem (by refusing to play etc). Doesn't have good stats.

Fingers crossed our injured players come back soon and we sneak a win tomorrow, let's see what happens by the end of today but I doubt we will get anyone decent in. Beto looked good against the worst team in the league, hope he continues to look good.

John Pickles
206 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:46:00
Maupay's completely focused on rejoining Brentford and nothing else. Apparently, he only has one goal. :)
Mal van Schaick
207 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:50:58
Maupay on loan. No doubt we will pay the majority of his wages, and they will have to pay his goals bonus.
Pat Kelly
208 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:51:47
Just saw a photo of our medical team on standby at Finch Farm. One doctor and two goalkeepers.
Barry Rathbone
209 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:52:25
Benjamin Dyke 172,

Wind your neck in.

If you didn't grasp the excuse fest that consumed the Moyes era you weren't paying attention.

Regarding the RS it could be argued their impatience with any hint of failure HAS contributed to their long-term success can you honestly see them having a "Moyes - Kenwright" duopoly for 10 years? They're all for getting FSG out despite their trophy haul.

Stop being silly.

Kieran Kinsella
210 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:55:17
Leeds lad won’t stick around if he comes here today Gnonto morrow
Jamie Crowley
211 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:56:06
So Cannon, Iwobi, and Maupay gone?

Trying to catch up here.

Cannon and Maupay I'm fine with. Certainly happy to see Maupay move on. I wish him well, I don't mean that with any negativity. It just never worked out for him here and he's not a finisher.

Iwobi is a weird one. Probably good business, but a part of me sees him as the only player who can play a defense-splitting pass in the entire squad. I'll also always love the guy for that goal against Newcastle – which proved to be gigantic in our staying up. Best of luck to him.

This Gnonto dude I'm completely uninterested. I don't understand why we'd spend money we don't have for this guy.

This squad is being molded into the Dyche image. We need to stick with Dyche now. It's kind of like we're all in at this point.

Jamie Crowley
212 Posted 01/09/2023 at 14:58:50
Also, what ever happened to Gray??

He's been 100% invisible while we looked to trade him. Surely we have to find a way to move him on?

He's maddening to me. But leaving my personal opinion out of it, I do not see him in the squad at all under Dyche. So we simply have to figure our a way to move him on?

Eric Myles
213 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:01:02
Barry #48, because it's in the EPL P&S rules that a club has to pay its taxes.
Jack Convery
214 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:03:07
Gnontos Stats. He's 19. He will be 20 on Nov 5th - how appropriate.

FC Zürich PL 74 G 12 Assts 10 - aged 17/18.
Leeds United PL 31 G 5 Assts 4 - aged 18/19.

Full Italy International. 12 games 1 goal.

He's played, 3 games this season - 262 minutes. Scored 1 goal.

Alex Gray
215 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:04:08
With Maupay, Cannon, Iwobi and Gray looking like they're off today we hopefully have incomings lined up or the squad looks very thin again. Good deals overall but they need replacing.

Just got a feeling we'll end up with Cornet on loan and the 40 odd million we make today will disappear alongside the Gordon money. We should have money to spend. The wages have been reduced by a huge amount and we've spent 6 mil this year in the Danjuma loan fee and the first instalment of Chermiti.

Eric Myles
216 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:07:00
David #36, maybe Pickford needed the win bonus money 🤑
Kieran Kinsella
217 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:08:18
Where’s the Nkounkou money Bill?
Stan Grace
218 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:10:17
Benjamin, you suggest under Moyes 'we actually played some good football, achieved good league placings, had European football regularly'.
Though the second point is fair enough, I'd suggest the first point could be applied to only a few games a season. As for point three, Moyes took us into Europe 4 times in 11 years. Hardly 'regularly'.
Paul Birmingham
219 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:13:47
Hoping for at least 2 incoming players to top up the numbers in the squad.

Great business to loan out Maupay, and it will be a miracle if Everton can offload for good Gbamin and Gomes.

Andrew Keatley
220 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:14:41
I expect Iwobi will do well in the Fulham set-up as I suspect he’ll play centrally in the same creative role as Perreira - with the two of them probably competing for that one starting slot. With runners through the middle and wide he is a good footballer; when options are not there (as has often been the case here) he gets himself into trouble by holding onto the ball too long. He’s much maligned on here but at a few key times he came good for us - especially the goal v Newcastle after Allan was sent off.

I hope Maupay gets his loan move back to Brentford. He needs a reset, and hopefully if and when we get players back from injury he’d only ever be an option off the bench.

Cannot see Gnonto signing. Too much noise, too little money in our pocket. And £30+ million is the sort of last-minute panic-buying that has seen us spend beyond our means for too long.

Nick Page
221 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:20:49
Bill Fairfield
222 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:26:56
Should end Gnonto chase,time is running out. Other targets should persued asap.
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
223 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:27:18
Nick - is that the answer to how much money have we got to spend?
Dale Self
224 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:29:57
Without an injury Gnonto would be above a 30m valuation by Christmas. Kieran is right, he would not stay for long, but that’s an area where we could position well in the transfer market. With a couple of good players in and out without need for loans is where we want to be. Do that and Thelwell gets the gold star.
Eric Myles
225 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:31:42
Stan #218, maybe Benjamin was thinking of the four consecutive seasons we were in Europe under Moyes?
Bill Fairfield
226 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:33:18
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
227 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:36:53
Yes, I know Bill - four consecutive seasons does leave you speechless.

But hey, for some he was a complete failure. All I know is my wife thought Moyes was great because I never was worried about relegation for about 8-9 seasons and we could enjoy the spring.

Alex Gray
228 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:38:47
Agreed if Gnonto isn't done soon need to move away asap. There are other wingers available. We need 3 in or it's back to two keepers on the bench.
Paul Birmingham
229 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:43:44
Phil, good perspective.

Hopefully Evertons fortunes can turn for the better, starting tomorrow in Sheffield.


Dale Self
230 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:44:59
It is possible that Cornet is on wait while some Iwobi money waffs under the noses of 49er Enterprises execs.
Denis Richardson
231 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:46:55
Bored of TDD now - Michael / Lyndon, could we get the Shed Utd v Everton page up?

Much more interesting. Looking forward to Beto terrorising the Utd defenders tomorrow. No disrespect to them but glad he gets to step up from Doncaster to Sheffield Utd as his first league game and not away to Arsenal/Man City etc.

Excited about tomorrow, the rest of the squad should have a bounce in their step as well.

Only slight concern is that he'll presumably have to play the whole 90mins as a crocked DCL is the only other striker we'll have if Maupay, Cannon and Simms all gone...

John Hall
232 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:49:52
I'm sure we have some 'deadly' under-9's strikers who could make up the bench Denis :)
Dale Self
233 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:54:37
Sports Media Set in Italy stating Gnonto a done deal at 38.5m. For what that’s worth. Tentative yay.
Brian Williams
234 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:59:39
That's been pretty much quashed Dale. It's off seemingly, and at that quoted price I'm glad!
Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
235 Posted 01/09/2023 at 15:59:54
But €38,5m = £33m and I am sure a lot of those would have been add-ons.
Barry Hesketh
236 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:00:41
Moyes helped Everton qualify for Europe four times during his spell with the club - but not in four consecutive seasons.

Royle - 1995/96 Knocked out by Feyenoord

Moyes - 2005/06 Knocked out twice in same season Villareal and Dynamo Bucharest

Moyes - 2007/08 Knocked out by Fiorentina

Moyes - 2008/09 Knocked out by Standard Liege

Moyes - 2009/10 knocked out by Sporting Lisbon

Martinez - 2014/15 Knocked out by Dynamo Kiev

Koeman - 2017/18 Knocked out in Group stage

John Hood
237 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:01:01
Brentford fan here(again)...
Slightly surprised by this news but think it's an excellent move for all parties.Maupay is a cult hero at BFC,for his effort,his goals and above all for the way he used to wind up the opposition when playing against the likes of Leeds,QPR,,Fulham etc.
I have been baffled by his spell at Everton..it is an object lesson in how not to play to someone's strengths.He is no good as a lone striker chasing hopeful punts downfield or challenging for crosses against 6 ft defenders;he needs the ball played to his feet in and around the penalty area with support attackers close by.Then he is a real handful.Like so many strikers,he needs confidence which you can see draining every match for EFC.
He will be ideal back up for Wissa and Mbeumo.
Interesting that the Bees have refused to be drawn into bidding wars against clubs with far more money but they have very quietly signed about 6 lads in the 17/18/19 years age range for relative peanuts,from clubs in U.K.,Europe and Africa.This is the long term plan.They will be the backbone of the club in 2 or 3 years time.
Anyway,all the best to all Toffees for the rest of the season.You have suffered enough.I actually think that you should be fairly comfortably safe this time round,despite the start.

Simon Jones
238 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:02:05
The most "Everton That" bet will be a tenner on Maupay to score a hat-trick against us when Brentford come to Goodison.
Dale Self
239 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:05:19
Good to see you John. I thought I recognized the name. Up the young Bees!
Mark Murphy
240 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:05:50
All the best John - hopefully will be in the Globe come the 23rd!
Brian Williams
241 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:07:16
Simon. Waste of money that bet mate. He can't play against us. 😉

Phil#235. It was £38.5m not Euros.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
242 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:11:32
There are many who wish he could then they would only have 10 players who could score against us.
Jim Lloyd
243 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:19:17
John (237) An interesting read from a Brentford fan. I'm sorry it didn't work out for him (or us) but, you're right about how he was used at EFC. I think if Calvert Lewin had been fit for any length of time, we'd have seen a much more effective player. He couldn't be knocked for effort and I hope thing work out for him at Brentford. I wish him well, and Brentford for that matter!
Will Mabon
244 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:26:09
John - thanks.

And I know it's hard to stay away from such an enlightening site.

Steve Brown
245 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:26:29
Reported that Everton bid £27.5 million last night, rejected and we are not willing to increase it.
Paul Hewitt
246 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:26:41
Sangare still available. Let's get him.
Dan Nulty
248 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:34:30
Don't like the fact we've got no one in yet, I think the new question is going to be 'where is the iwobi money Bill'.
Simon Jones
249 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:34:45
Brian #241

That goes some way to explaining why I'm not a gambler then.

I still think he'll find some way to haunt us though.

Jeff Armstrong
250 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:35:11
John 237.

Class that mate.

I think Cornet is 99% certain to stay at West Ham…he can be a bit flakey apparently.

George Cumiskey
251 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:41:47
Can't understand why we're chasing another winger when we're desperate for a midfield play maker ?
Jake Lucas
252 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:44:13
George 251, that’ll be Harrison’s job when fit
Jack Convery
253 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:44:53
I put this on Maupay thread but better on here -

I think the fact that the Maupay deal is going through, means someone else is coming through our in door. Gnonto would be the big news and seen as EFC going after a player and not taking no for an answer. Maybe Leeds have already agreed a deal but want to quietly bring in someone to replace him and not get held to ransom. Who knows but something in my water, tells me there are a few twists and turns to go yet.

A forward department of Beto, a fit DCL, Chermitti, Dnajuma and Gnonto would be a real upgrade on what went before, just a few weeks ago. An unfit DCL, Maupay, Simms and Cannon.

John Pickles
254 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:46:23
Is there one scrap of evidence that we have made a single bid or enquiry for any incoming player today?

There are reports of a Gnonto bid last night, but today only selling.

Balancing the books for Beto and another net profit when everyone else is spending maybe.

Jack Convery
255 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:50:13
Spurs' Tanganga to Augsburg £5.5m. TFFT. Awful CB.
Anthony Flack
256 Posted 01/09/2023 at 16:53:10
Jon at 237 - Brentford fan

- part of what you say is right, and he works hard.

Equally I have rarely seen so many sitters missed from 2 or 3 yards out - he tends to strike it quite well, but either straight at the keeper or anywhere but the goal...

Hope it works out

Ajay Gopal
257 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:00:03
What would fellow TWers think of getting Donny Van de Beek on loan? He has lost his way at Man U and has been out injured quite a bit since he was on loan here. As I recall, he was unavailable for quite a few games due to injury, but then scored a consolation goal against Arsenal on the final day of the season. Who knows, he may turn around his career at EFC? A cheap replacement for Iwobi perhaps?
Soren Moyer
259 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:13:50
I think he's signed for Real Sociedad.
Alex Gray
260 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:18:24
Alan Myers has all but said we're done. Imagine selling your top creator and your bench and bring in nobody. We had done brilliantly until today.
Dave Cook
261 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:21:53
We're not really in the position to keep Iwobi. Either make 22 mil now or lose him for free next year. 22 mil may help us survive the potential 10 point deduction.
Mick Davies
262 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:23:05
So Iwobi's having a medical today? Well going by what happens to incomings, can we expect to hear of him signing before October? Or is it just Everton who take forever to gauge someone's health and fitness?
Soren Moyer
263 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:31:47
Where is Nkounkou £2.8m sell-on fee money?
Barry Rathbone
264 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:34:40
Ajay 257

De Beek just isn't up to the rigours of English warfare.

European leagues where one game in 5 is competitive suits him, plus do we really want another ex Utd, injury prone potato?

Brent Stephens
265 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:35:36
Jonny Evans gone to Man Utd? Interesting.
Kieran Kinsella
266 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:37:01
From last seasons squad we’ve basically replaced;

Coady & Mina with Young & Branthwaite
Begovic with Virginia
Davies with Gomes
Iwobi with Harrison
Gray with Danjuma
Simms & Maupay with Beto & Chermiti

Christopher Timmins
267 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:39:41
Kieran # 266

Assuming no more ins and outs other than the ones set out in your post, are we stronger or weaker?

Oliver Molloy
268 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:42:03
If Everton pay the amount that is floating about ( 30 - 35million ) for the Italian wee fella - there must be one hell of a party going on and they are all off their fucking heads.
He is not worth that sort of money in my opinion.
Kieran Kinsella
269 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:46:23


Nick Page
270 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:46:36
Van de Beak is shite
Dale Self
271 Posted 01/09/2023 at 17:52:57
While I believe Gnonto would make us money, it is a gamble. I’m relieved that it looks unlikely after thinking about it.
Jack Convery
272 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:19:14
Beginning to look like we are gambling Tarkowski and Branthwaite stayfit until Jan 24. If the gamble fails we are left with Keane and Godfrey as the only backups.

Sam Hoare
273 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:22:02
Think we look a touch low on numbers unless we bring one or two more in. A RW would be nice to compete with Harrison.
Jamie Crowley
274 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:23:23
We've improved our squad and actually made money?

Is this the end result if Iwobe ends up out the door?

I think so? I'm totally fine with this window and would, in fact, call it a success by any metric considering our financial limitations.

Jack Convery
275 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:32:48
The Forest squad will be 35 strong if they get Origi tonight. Must be some Xmas party.
Doug Nestor
276 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:35:52
As it stands we have 15 outfield players to pick from tomorrow
Jamie Crowley
277 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:37:59
Doug @ 276 -

That's 4 more than we can afford to pay. 😜

Dale Self
278 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:39:12
Yes we are low but we also relocated some mentally challenged players. Maybe Everton did some of it but they will get another chance and hopefully do well. Our locker room factor just improved by more than what transfer fees and stats would imply. If we stay healthy we have a physical team with a powerhouse striker and likely a significantly stronger mentality. Harrison and McNeil tracking back may be enough to cover the fullbacks.
Ian McAvoy
279 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:40:31
So depressing and embarrassing. Not got a pot to piss in! What the hell has happened to the club I have supported since I was 4 years old? Over 50years!

The way this club is run is a joke! Even the Peter Johnson dark age years (who was a self-confessed 🔴💩) were better than this. 🤬

Jamie Crowley
280 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:41:17
Jack @275 -

That's utterly stupid on Forest's part. Just absolutely dumb.

What the fuck you need THIRTY-FIVE players for? Not in Europe, so why? That's three full teams plus 2 for good measure.

I hope they go down. That kind of fiscal irresponsibility needs to be punished. Everton at least bought expensive dudes and overpaid, but surely we weren't over 26-27 players at any given point? Thirty five players???

Insanity and just idiotic. I want them to drop like a rock now and get relegated.

Kieran Kinsella
281 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:41:17

Don’t worry there’s still time to a shift a few more

Bill Fairfield
282 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:42:02
Be the same story as the last window. Everyone working really hard but unfortunately couldn't get the deals over the line.
Paul Birmingham
283 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:43:29
Hopefully, Everton, are getting at least two more players in, before 11 p.m.🙏🏼
Jack Convery
284 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:46:37
Are we being taken for MUGS yet again.
Kieran Kinsella
285 Posted 01/09/2023 at 18:46:53
Last nights Gnonto bid has to have been a Kenwright smokescreen. It’s hard to believe we were willing to pay 30 million for him but there’s no other player in all the world in any position where we are weak that we couldn’t have got instead for the same or less. But Alan Myers says there’s no one worth bothering with as they’re all just warm bodies.

I think the Gnonto “money” went to Beto (albeit delayed payment) and it was countingent on the Gray/Cannon money which evolved into the Iwobi/Cannon money. Interesting to see if we reintegrate Gray into the squad or try and get a few more quid out of Saudi.

Denis Richardson
286 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:06:33
Not sure why there’s so much doom and gloom here. We’ve brought in a striker, two decent attacking mids, a versatile left back and a decent CB - all of whom will be in the first team when fit. That’s actually half a team.

Also brought in a young forward for the future and promoted one from the academy.

The players gone were too expensive to re-sign or not good enough anyway. Our first team is significantly better than before the window, just unfortunate we have a couple injured but thankfully none seriously.

Imo it’s already been a very good window and selling Iwobi for £20m plus is a bonus, as well as shifting out Maupay.

Things looking up.

Craig Walker
287 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:08:26
Deja vu this. Maybe we’ll put in a cheeky bid for Alan Smith at 00:05. I’m not sad at Iwobi and Maupay leaving but why have we put all our eggs in the Gnonto basket with no alternatives lined up? We’re short at centre back, midfield, both fullbacks and probably need a wide player if Gray also goes. Makes me think it’s all a smokescreen and this is a cost-cutting exercise with October in mind.
Frank Knight
288 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:10:57
Stretching it to say Iwobi is our top creator! McNeil is far more potent. Iwobi totals for Everton something like 127 games, 6 goals and 11 assists. There is a chance Harrison Could do that in 30.

McNeil 7 goals and 3 assists last season. I think we took Fulham’s pants down at that price.

Jack Convery
289 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:20:25
Moyes has put Cornet on the bench for the game versus Luton tonight = So its deffo not -

just 1 cornetto sell him to me a right great deal for EFCeeee.

Dave Abrahams
290 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:21:36
Dennis (286), Dennis who is the decent CB we have brought in? I’m presuming CB is a centre back, if you mean Branthwaite he was already our player.
Geoff Lambert
291 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:29:20
Had to log on and have a look. Have we signed anyone yet??
Barry Hesketh
292 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:33:39
I said on the LF earlier that Alan Myers doesn't believe that there will be any further incoming transfers in this window, plus, only a poster's word for it, on another forum, that Thelwell is in Chester having a meal with his Mrs, probably got an early dart, as his work is done?
John Keating
293 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:34:50
Truthfully, who’s ever heard of Ian Maatsen?
He’s some kid who has never played for Chelsea but on his way out for 30 odd million
So many players who are either unknown, nomarks, or just shite seem to be going for tens of millions
We seem to be happy to sell our lot for nowt!
Jack Convery
294 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:35:00
Sussex reported at 19:06 that De Zerbi confirmed midfielder had left and signed for Everton. The page is now down and cannot be accessed. Anyone know anything about this as we were linked to Alzate at Brighton earlier today. I hope so as we need fresh legs in the midfield positions, as this guy can play a number of them.
Barry Hesketh
295 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:36:14
Another interesting observation from elsewhere, is that other clubs are wary of trusting our payment plans as some of them believe we might enter administration - thanks Daily Mail, thanks Guardian et al, oh and thanks very much Mr Moshiri, for putting the idea of existential threat, firmly into the public arena.
Tony Everan
296 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:36:53
Remember what the esk posted about our debts;

“Just to give an idea of the cost of borrowing, the cost of our financial performance, if we are using the whole of the Rights & Media facility of £200m that's costing £65.7k in interest each day. £150m is £49.3k a day.”

The shocking way they club has been run means £65.7k each DAY possibly to service the debt. Any incoming money may well be going into making the balance sheet look more healthy prior to any takeover. They may feel the squad we have got now is good enough for 17th or higher.

So the order of the day is ; Sell players keep the money and throw some phantom bids in below the asking price to placate the mob.

I hope I’m wrong because I was quite excited about the Gnonto signing. But still on the whole with Beto coming in we’ve done the main business that we needed to do. Ie if we’d signed Beto at lunchtime today instead of Tuesday everyone would be a lot happier! (But we’d probably be out of the Carabau Cup)

Brent Stephens
297 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:37:34
Not signing anybody this window is unforgivable. We could have gone for that Beto guy. Or Harrison. Or Danjuma. Or...
Barry Hesketh
298 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:43:29
Brent @297
Yeah they might have been good options, but it is obvious that Moshiri / the club are taking every penny possible from sales and only purchasing players for a minimum amount upfront and deferring the outstanding payments over a set term in the future, which will probably be after we are sold or go bust.

Whilst I'm in this spiral of doom, what sort of concrete was used to build the main stand in the 1970s, given so many public buildings used RAAC?

Brent Stephens
299 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:46:16
Barry, if GP collapses it will save us demolition fees.
Barry Hesketh
300 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:47:35
There's always a bright side Brent - as long as it doesn't happen on a match-day.
Jack Convery
301 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:49:17
Brennan Johnson signed by Spurs £47m. We used to be the destination for players like Johnson. Kenwright Out. ( Thought I'd be the one to get that chant rolling ).
Brent Stephens
302 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:50:11
Barry "There's always a bright side".

Rays of sunshine, Barry, as we raise BMD and raze Goodison.

Dave Abrahams
303 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:51:27
Brent (297), I think we had done well up to last night but if the squad stays as it now then I think it is weaker than it was this morning, not because of the players who have gone but the failure to bring a central midfielder, another centre back and a full back in.

They can still bring players in on loan, including an home based player, the squad will still be very small when all the injured players are fit, I think we are taking a big gamble with this squad.

Three hours and nine minutes left.

Brent Stephens
304 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:54:09
Dave #303 of course. I think the time to complain is once the window closes. Anything before then is premature.
Tony Everan
305 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:58:38
Dave, with Beto, Danjuma and Harrison signed, DCL and McNeil coming back, it’s definitely those three positions you mention that we needed more strength in depth.
Jack Convery
306 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:59:46
Can you sign free agents after tonight ?
Dale Self
307 Posted 01/09/2023 at 19:59:47
And Dave we didn’t sell Onana to do business. Oh wait.
Julian Wait
308 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:00:40
Cannon to Leicester, we never really gave him a shot, did we.
Dave Abrahams
309 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:01:58
Brent (304), fair enough I’ve said that a couple of times myself in the last couple of weeks, I did say if it stays as it is now so I think I can hold my tongue for the next two hours fifty nine minutes and thirty seconds.

The next one to moan stinks, okay!

Dale Self
310 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:03:33
Yes Julian. I mean no, we didn’t but yes Julian.
Brent Stephens
311 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:03:39
You're clean, Dave. It's some others who are implying we've done nothing.
Alan McGuffog
312 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:04:23
Indeed Julian. So would someone please explain why we have academy ? It's not as if we are moving these kids on for fancy sums of money
Kieran Kinsella
313 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:04:32

What are you on about we’ve spent a lot on central midfielders this summer. At least 10 million on the last amortized installments due on Gomes/Gbamin combined. Money well spent……

Brent Stephens
314 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:04:43
Ooh! I think I stink, Dave!
Dave Abrahams
315 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:04:57
Dale (303), Go head Dale I’m all fuckin’ ears on that post!
Dale Self
316 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:08:31
Well I hope the moaners consider that even if we don’t get anorher transfer tonight our xT was still very high.
Adam Oakensworth
317 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:08:44
Dyche is planning to use Dele. Keeps giving fitness updates on him and his mental well-being. Will give him 6 games to prove himself, offer a new contract on lower wages and if he signs and comes good we have a massive Iwobi upgrade for 10 mil
Dave Abrahams
318 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:09:47
Brent (314) Tell us something we didn’t already know Brent!
Dale Self
319 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:10:17
Ooh there’s a theory!
Barry Hesketh
320 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:10:41
I heard that O! Na! Na! was the reply to Bill, when he asked if he could use his green shield stamp collection as a down payment for the Leeds winger?
David Nicholls
321 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:11:10
Go for Wilf N’didi… Cannon plus cash
Kevin Edward
322 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:17:39
Not long to go now, really hope there are some incoming deals to be done to bolster the squad.
Not too sad to see Iwobi and Maupay being moved on, regardless of whether they were played out of position. Both have had plenty of opportunities to step up.
It just hasn’t happened for them at efc.
Adam Oakensworth
323 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:21:27
Agreed Kevin. Can’t believe anyone would take Maupay off our hands! Also means we may have some funds for January signings
Billy Fisher
324 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:22:53
quite happy with what Everton have done in the transfer window, a fucked up club starting to fight against the odds. Beto will be a beast like Duncan. Hopefully a team that can pull together for the underdog battle. At least we've got a fighting chance
Tony Everan
325 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:23:26
Just read on another site we’ve made an offer for the young Beskitas winger Yermas Dildo.
Dale Self
326 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:31:01
Only performances were as a substitute Tony, so I’ve heard
Jamie Crowley
327 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:41:56
If we save money on Goodison crumbling and not having to pay demo fees, I have a plan.

Someone pays for me to come oversees to your fair town of Liverpool. It'll cost the ticket and a jug of poitin.

In the wee hours, I drink the poitin, set explosives around Goodison, blow the Ol' Lady up, and hop a plane back to the States.

Good times. Desperately needed money saved.

Note - if anyone is reading this public comment and believes I'm even remotely serious, please try to get outside more often and for the love of God co-mingle with other humans. It'll do ya some good.

Jamie Crowley
328 Posted 01/09/2023 at 20:56:22
Mark Ryan
329 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:02:27
I'll be happy with our business but if Demari is sold next week I think it will leave us too light. I hope he's not sold
Nick Page
330 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:05:59
Gray could be like a new signing
Soren Moyer
331 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:07:16
I think its pronounced "dildo yer mess"!
Mark Ryan
332 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:17:00
Maupay just arrives in Brentford. Did he stop off for the day at Alton Towers. Just arrived ? was he on a bike ?
Derek Knox
333 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:18:12
Julian @ 308, totally agree, let's hope we don't regret this !

I really liked the lad, and saw more than just potential in him, wouldn't it just be Everton, to have not given a proper chance to these young lads and they go on to prove a steal to the buying Club !

Kieran Kinsella
334 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:42:12
Pochetini on the BBC “The transfer window has been tough” ???? So just a little over one billion pounds spent year to date on a squad of 50 internationals but yeah, could have been so much more. I realize managers downplay expectations but FFS trying to act like Chelsea were hard done by this summer compared with the likes of us is one of the most ridiculous claims I’ve ever heard.
Anthony Jones
335 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:46:32
Getting shut of Iwobi and Maupay is progress for us.

Don't understand the Gray situation. He is as capable as a lot of the players we have been linked with.

Jack Convery
336 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:47:53
Thats two assist from corners for Ward-Prowse.
Tony Everan
337 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:54:36
Have they tested the fax machine since it’s last outing on Jan 31st?

I’ve got an image of Bill walking down a dimly lit corridor right now, housecoat, slippers, teasing out a tuneless whistle to keep himself company. Stops at a door marked Fax Room and pulls out a big bunch of keys, finds the right one opens up. The faded beige beast is in the middle of the room, gets plugged in whirrs, vibrates, faint smell of burning, and bursts into life. Then flashes, no paper, no paper.

“Keviiin, we’re out of fax paper again “

Jamie Crowley
338 Posted 01/09/2023 at 21:55:50
Jack -

And a handball / PK not called on Prowse to boot!

How does VAR look at that and not award a pen? VAR is a mess. It's SO inconsistent in England it's laughable. VAR works fantastically in just about every other league in the world sans England.

John Charles
339 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:00:29
Getting money for cannon and iwobi is excellent business with Maupay going out being the icing on the cake
Barry Hesketh
340 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:01:17
Jamie @338

Watched a bit of the Dortmund game tonight and VAR got involved, a great delay while the guys in the box dithered until eventually they called offside prior to the penalty incident, Dortmund were about to re-start until the officials stopped them from doing so, another few minutes and they overturned the VAR decision and Hoffenheim were awarded the penalty which they converted to make it two-two.

It's not just an English mess by the looks of it. Although we do have some of the least able officials in the world.

Si Cooper
341 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:01:32
No idea what last day deals are concrete. Seems reasonable one for Iwobi but I’m a bit surprised both Cannon and Maupay could go.
Jim Lloyd
342 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:03:35
Billy (324) I think Beto will be better than Duncan. He's much faster, more nimble, can score with his feet and with his head. even if he turns out to be as good as Dunc, then that'll be good; but I think he'll be better.
What we've done so far is bring in three really good players, can all score and look very athletic. I'm not sure about Chermiti, but it looks like he's one with a future and I think that's what Thelwell's looked at as more about him than Tom Cannon. Hard to judge how they'll develop, but so far, Thelwell and Dyche have brought in some really good players. I hope for a Midielder and a right back but I suppose it depends on finances and outgoings. I feel better about this season with a full first team, just a pity about the subs we have to use, though Delle might well make it back, I really hope so, for him and for us, what a boon he would be, if he gets his head together.
Mark Ryan
343 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:04:12
and we're not bottom of the League, yippee
Jeff Armstrong
344 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:08:15
Pochectino, “the transfer window has been tough” what a fuckin blert, it’s been tough cos you’ve got no control about what’s happening around you, just like most of the “head coaches “ in the league, the game is being run by directors of football and transfer strategists, no wonder Chelsea have spent 1 billion and are nowhere nearer to the premier league title than Aston Villa.

Jamie Crowley
345 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:09:19
Barry -

That's awful. Like, really bad.

I think the toughest VAR calls are the ones that involve an offside in the run up to a play. You often get conflicting situations - PKs undone by offside prior, et al.

I haven't heard of many German VAR gaffs, and when watching MLS (yes, I know... but I love our league) it's executed really well usually.

Something has to be done about it. I like the concept - get the calls right and don't let teams get robbed. But work needs to be done with it. And the EPL has had like 5-6 calls this season already where I'm like, "Whaaaaa????" Infuriating.

I'm quite sure there's VAR decisions all over the world that are crap. But I'm telling you, it appears to me the EPL just butchers it so, so often. I dunno...

Brendan McLaughlin
346 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:10:05
Tony #337

"The faded beige beast is in the middle of the room, gets plugged in whirrs, vibrates, faint smell of burning, and bursts into life"

Is that a review of Yermas Dildo?

Neil Tyrrell
347 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:23:57
I'm cautiously optimistic about who we've brought in, and in the main understanding about who we've shipped out - given Iwobi"s contract expiring, best to get something now rather than nothing later. Would like to have seen more of Canon, the one time I did see him he scored 2 goals with some instinctive finishing. But that was with the U21 side.

Fully fit we should be ok, marginally weaker at the back than last season but stronger at the front. Feels like our future might hinge on "fully fit" though, there's not a lot of room for injuries to key players. And we all know our luck on that score. Hoping for a late surprise or 2 incoming.

Barry Hesketh
348 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:28:08
It's the lack of defensive cover that worries me the most, the two young full-backs are struggling and Godfrey and Branthwaite can't be relied upon until they've gotten fully up to speed, I'm not sure that Godfrey will ever do so, given his recent performances. We'll have to score a bucketful of goals to win points, and with our midfield being next to useless in that department, the onus falls on the wingers and the forwards, staying fit and being ruthless when chances arrive.
Neil Tyrrell
349 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:33:06
Exactly Barry, if a couple of defenders go down injured we're really in deep shit. Hopefully as you say we'll start scoring enough goals if and when everyone is available.
Si Cooper
350 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:38:59
Brendan, does plugged in mean it’s mains powered? 240 volts - someone’s Ma is hardcore!
Derek Thomas
351 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:44:54
G NOnto
Colin Glassar
352 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:45:18
Mildly pleased with this window. Got rid of two atrociously bad players and got in a couple of good players. Plus after the international break we should have most of our injured players back.
Barry Hesketh
353 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:45:54
I thought my partner was enjoying my being attached to my laptop all evening a bit strange, but she was returning to her halcyon dance days of the 70s as I heard her singing along to some disco hits, but got concerned when she belted out "Dee Aye Ell Dee Ohhhhhh!.

Kieran Kinsella
354 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:47:57
I’m glad it’s over now we can relax until the last day of Jan when the club realize Duke and Gana are off to the African Nations cup.
Kieran Kinsella
355 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:52:36

Exemplifies our past folly that we are all hoping we don’t have to utilize two center backs who cost a combined 50 million which in todays money is more like 100 million. Meanwhile the guy we got on a free and a kid from Carlisle are holding things together for us. Hopefully 60 grand and old man Ashley can also stay fit so we don’t call upon our slightly less expensive but equally inept young full backs. We may have to get back the team doctor from the Smith era with his pot of glue, a long term disability waivers for anyone he patches up in the physio room.

Tony Everan
356 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:57:04

Sky saying Yermas Dildo has pulled out.

Si Cooper
357 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:57:33
Evertonian Sue Smith on Sky Sports fails to mention loan signings of Harrison and Danjuma and Iwobi being in last year of contract when discussing Iwobi’s transfer.

No need to make the club seem more shambolic that it actually is.

Jim Lloyd
358 Posted 01/09/2023 at 22:58:01
The thing is, if we don't score goals, we win nothing. At least now, we will score goals. put what we have now as attacking players against Fulham and Wolves, and theres's a good chance we would have won both. For me, Onana and Doucouré are slow in both getting forward and getting back. Gueye looked much better against Doncaster when he come on and maybe he'll do us for this season. I'd have loved to see Onana sold and us get replacement full backs and a Peter Reid.
However, I think we've done well so far, and perhaps in January, we can address Centre half, Midfielder and Right full back.
Shane Corcoran
359 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:01:38
Tom Bowers
360 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:01:44
How can a team like Brentford want to get Maupay.
Doesn't make sense. He belongs in the second division.

Iwobi worked tremendously hard for Everton last season but with Danjuma coming in alongside Garner and MacNeil I suppose game time might have been limited this season. Just a guess.

Anyway we have to get by with what we have right now and at least they appear to have strengthened the offense somewhat but now the defence needs to get it together. We shall see.

Ben King
361 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:02:00
It’s an absolute sh1t show

If Pickford gets injured or loses form we’re left with Jao Virginia. Who???

Consensus on this forum is that the 38 yr old and 35yr old full backs aren’t up to it and very few of us have faith in Myko or Patterson so I’d tell the opposition to attack down the flanks

Except….Tarks has started the season poorly, Godfrey was good about 2 seasons ago and has been crap since. Keane: we all know about his regular lapses and Branthwaite is very inexperienced - we desperately needed a dominant centre back in the mould of Mina. So the soft centre is a good place to attack too.

Centre midfield lacks depth, lacks creativity and lacks goals. Aside from that they compete well. And given we’re selling our best playmaker across last 3 seasons AND not replacing him then who provides the defence splitting passes?

The flanks may be our strongest area with McNeill, Harrison, Danjuma and the inexperienced and naive Dobbins. But there may be some potential there.

Beto looks good but if he gets injured we can’t rely on DCL and Chermiti is unproven. We actually could have done with Daka on loan. Why didn’t we secure that? And why are we selling Cannon without a replacement and why not just loan him?

I have a bad feeling about this season. The usual sh1t show at Goodison continues

Brendan McLaughlin
362 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:04:45
Tony #356

BBC describing him as "the fox in the box"...

Kieran Kinsella
363 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:07:25

Also pertinent with Iwobi is the fact he’s injured and in Jan he will be gone for a month. So with a month gone and potentially two months absent/injured to come it’s an especially wise deal

Paul Kossoff
364 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:09:08
So we still have Gomez, Ali and Mgabin on £120 grand a week each, is Holgate still here £70 grand and Gray, no idea what he's on. No fkg wonder We are skint. And with Beto signing we shouldn't have bought Chimiti, waste of £20 million. Still have a paper thin squad, with two players only on loan, and two full backs with a combined age of 73 as back up to two very poor defenders, oh, I forgot Kean, £70 grand a week, well done Bill and Thelwell. Good transfer window?, I don't think so.
Jamie Crowley
365 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:11:02
Is the Iwobe move official??

Clock struck the hour and I don't see any official word he's a Fulham player?

Iwobe will do really well at Fulham. He'll play centrally is my guess. He wasn't a wide player, and he was deployed there time and again by us due to where the pieces of the chess board had to be set up.

I wish the kid well, but I'm concerned because that 22 million is a damn good price and Lord knows Everton need it, so I'm hoping to see confirmation soon.

Kieran Kinsella
366 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:13:44

I wouldn’t blame Thelwell for Gomes etc. imagine trying to sell a litter of cats if they had mange, tabbies, flea infested and blind with one leg. Nobody is going to buy them so you can go off and replace them with a nice Tabby cat. They’re like lepers. Even Jesus would say “Transfer thy self Gomes/Gbamin.”

Neil Tyrrell
367 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:16:00
Is Holgate still here?

Loaned to Southampton last week

Gavin Johnson
368 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:20:02
Paul #364, Gbamin will be released. No club wanted him for the £5m we apparently wanted, so the noises are that his contract will be ripped up so he can find somewhere himself. He's in France and refusing to come back.

Gomes will have to take Tom Davies's role on the bench.

We have brought in £30m today, so a decision might be made that Dele will be integrated into the team, If he's turned a corner. There may be caveats there that if we pay Spurs the £10m Dele agrees to sign a reduced wage contract next summer. Who knows?

I'm very disappointed that no one has come in. All the noises this week suggested we would bring in at least one more attacking player. Maybe we haven't gone in for a Gnonto alternative, because Gray's move has fallen through and there are plans to use him now?

With what's happened today, I think we should maybe keep Gray now, unless the fee is at least £15m from the Saudi's next week.

Kieran Kinsella
369 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:20:07
Twitter rumors Gray had a bust up with Dyche end of last season and that’s why he’s been frozen out. But apparently, either Gray or the club (maybe cause Iwobi left?) have rejected a Saudi deal so he is set to stay even though Dyche told him allegedly “you’ll never play for the club again.” Hope that last part is untrue sounds very Roy Keane bully boy manageresque
James Potter
370 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:20:34
Kirean, so will dacoure and Gana be at the AFCON, Who's going to play CM? Not knocking the fee, but where's our CM for January??
Michael Lynch
371 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:22:17
Great deadline day. Iwobi and Maupay gone, nobody incoming. Our squad is beyond threadbare now. Even Tom Davies would have been a welcome addition to our midfield numbers, as we're now relying on Dele, Gomes and Gbmain as cover during the AFCON or when we have injuries.

What a club.

Mike Connolly
372 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:22:18
These pundits on Sky you can tell they don't go the game they way they enthused about Iwobbie I thought they were talking about Salah. What I see of Iwobie is someone running around with a try of hot cakes. and loosing the ball. Two of them were Evertonians they should know better
Graeme Dodd
373 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:22:40
Just got in from the pub - surprise surprise - no signings! Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Iwobi had 7 assists last season - more than twice that of anyone else. Perhaps we will just play DCL and Beto and lump endless long balls up front. Can’t wait
Kieran Kinsella
374 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:25:39
James Potter,

Gomes? Hopefully we find the Arteta money early January

Barry Hesketh
375 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:26:21
Paul @ 364

I don't think bringing in Bambi on ice has had much affect on our ability to purchase other players - he probably cost circa £3m this window, albeit there will be more to pay in the coming years. I do however, believe it has been not that great a window overall.

We have sold Richarlison, replaced by Beto a year later.

Sold Gordon, replaced by on loan Harrison.

Released Mina and Coady, allowed Holgate to go on loan, replaced by returned from loan Branthwaite and free transfer Ashley Young.

Iwobi if the deal goes through, replaced by Danjuma.

Simms and Davies sold / released, let's say that they have been replaced by Chermiti.

Maupay and Cannon if they are officially let go, no replacements,

We'll have to hope that the 'lost boys' such as Gomes et al can be integrated back into the squad and become useful replacements when needed.

Gavin Johnson
376 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:27:37
A player who can play CB and holding midfield like Eric Dier would have been a shrewd loan. I really hope that we've not left ourselves too short with not bringing anyone in.

It might be able to be rectified in Jan, but will we be allowed to spend money if we get punished at the October hearing?!

Si Cooper
377 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:29:10
Jamie, Iwobi deal was said to be confirmed done deal about 20 minutes ago on Sky.
Yes Kieran, should have added the Afcon angle as well.
Personally, pleasantly surprised by most of this summers dealings. Hoping a potent forward line and some proper, grafting wide men will actually take the pressure off the defensive side of things and allow a few of our defenders to settle their nerves and cut out the poor decision making / avoidable mistakes.
With a bit of luck we will look better to potential recruits and not be in dire straits come January.
Ben King
378 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:30:47
So we haven’t scored a league goal and on transfer deadline day we

Let go of 2 strikers and

Sell our most creative player across the last 2-3 seasons

Everton that

Christy Ring
379 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:37:02
So we sold Iwobi £22m and Maupay, and maybe Cannon? no problem with that, but no incommings today??
Chad Harper
380 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:37:06
I don't mind the decision to sell Iwobi. A good price for a very average player. I wouldn't have him in our strongest 11
Kieran Kinsella
381 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:39:43
Gbamin has apparently agreed to terminate his contract so we save 9 months of whatever we were paying him to do nothing
Tony Everan
382 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:39:44
One angle on not spending maybe is to keep some money available to activate Jack Harrison’s buy fee. If he starts scoring a few goals and assisting Beto or DCL every week having the ability to buy him will be a necessity.
Bill Gall
383 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:41:23
I think it was a good transfer window overall, the last day is usually panic buying, where we usually go for the over aged has been. With the Leeds attempt, it was they just dug in and did not want to loose the player and would not except a fee in installments and other players were overpriced, and for once our negotiators never fell for it, or we couldn't afford them.
We may be light in the overall squad numbers but this may give some of the young players a chance. Lets start tomorrow.
Barry Hesketh
384 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:42:33
I hadn't realised that Maupay's loan to Brentford also has an option to buy.
Jim Bennings
385 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:43:27
Too much time was wasted on this Gnonto move wasn't it?

When the reality is we should have walked away from it about 5 weeks ago if we'd had any sense.

There were better deals like Sinisterra or Bakayoko, Sulemana out there that would have made much more sense anyway.

A lot like last summer when instead of splashing crazy money on Onana and Maupay we should have just offered Blackburn 18 million for Ben Brereton Diaz and he would have been a more than adequate stand-in for our centre forward.

Kieran Kinsella
386 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:44:50
Assuming we don’t pay out the last year of Gbamins contract he’s cost us 41 million pounds total minus any part of his wage the Turkish club paid so probably 40.5 million for 200 minutes of terrible play over four years. Take a bow Marcel Brands
Barry Hesketh
387 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:49:24
Jim @ 385
I think once Leeds made it clear how much they wanted for him, Everton had no intention of following up on that deal, I think it was a useful sideshow for the club and Moshiri, as they had little intention or perhaps not the readies to do any other business.

Dyche in an interview with the Echo in which he said the following:

"The biggest challenge is that our situation has changed financially and the market has gotten higher, and I think we are all aware of that," the Everton boss admitted.

"I have said for years, maybe seven or eight years, that nobody cares for the reality of the market. I think I said a couple of weeks ago we could all sit in a room 10 years ago and, if we had a list of players and debated it, we would come out with similar prize guides. Now it is irrelevant, and we would probably go, 'Who knows?’

"If someone says they want this much, it is down to whether someone wants to pay it or not. So that has made it even tougher, with the numbers going well north.

"The last six months to a year, there has been a real jump in terms of where the numbers have gone to. Unfortunately, our pot has got smaller as the pots around the country have got bigger. That is just the reality and life at the current time."

Dyche is no stranger to having to work under tight financial constraints after spending nearly a decade in charge of Burnley. However, the 52-year-old admits the difference in expectations from the supporters of both clubs is something he had to adapt to when becoming Everton boss.

"The difference there was that everybody sort of knew this is where the club is at," Dyche explained.

"It was made pretty clear, but this situation is pretty different. It is Everton Football Club. It has got a different feel.

"They have put a lot of money into this place, and then there is time when it has had to slow down, and now it is where it is.

"In a way, yes, because you learn you are not going to get your first draft picks, or very rarely, and you are going to have to work at a different number level, literal numbers for your signings and your wages, than other people are going to have to work with.

"There was probably a bit more of a tolerant period, though, because everyone understood where it is. Everton is different. I said it last night: Evertonians, as much as they support us, when you are on the pitch, they don't bother about whether you have got money, no money, injuries, no injuries; they are just like you didn't win or you did win.

"So that is what is key to Evertonians, and I have learned that. That is what being at a bigger club is like, as you know, and that is no disrespect to Burnley, a fantastic club, but this is a bigger concern, and so therefore the heat comes on much quicker regardless of the facts.

"The facts here just don't count, whereas at Burnley they did, and I think people went, 'Okay, I sort of know where we are at.' At Everton, it is a different animal, and I have become well adjusted to that, and I had to."

Denis Richardson
388 Posted 01/09/2023 at 23:55:20
Dave 290 - yes I meant Branthwaite for CB. He wasn’t in the squad last year and we’ve brought him in this season so an addition to the first team. Replaces Mina basically.
Barry Hesketh
389 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:03:51
EFC Statto @EFC_Statto
Total initial fees Everton spent on Gylfi Sigurdsson, Yerry Mina, Yannick Bolasie, Jean-Philippe Gbamin, Theo Walcott and Cenk Tosun - £156.7m

Total fees Everton received for those players - £0

Dominic Kenzie
390 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:07:58
Jim 385

How much time was wasted on Gnonto ? Lots of speculation from the media, he's not been signed so we'll never know.
If the lad from Blackburn was the answer, there would've been movement from many clubs. He's still there which speaks volumes.

Kevin Molloy
391 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:08:17
I really don't like that statement of Dyche's above. As if the fans are being unreasonable wanting signings, when the club have not levelled with them once in the last five years. it's not unreasonable for the fans to expect the club to spend more than £5m total in a window when during the last six months we all know they have taken in well north of a hundred million in player sales. Kenwright has definitely got to him over the summer. 'if you show weakness Sean, they'll kill you. Look what they did to poor Denise'. I can just imagine him playing him like a fiddle.
Christine Foster
392 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:13:30
Barry in fairness I think you could do exactly the same calculation with certain groups of players in most, if not all clubs in the Premier league. They all take the risks and many devalue during or at the end of their contracts. There in lies the real issue, we buy high, don't sell.. we let players reach end of contracts and get nothing. We could not afford to replace, the team was dis-functional, managers on a merry go round..no player excelled.. bad contracts, bad management, bad players. Its been Everton under Kenwright and Moshiri.
Barry Hesketh
393 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:18:24
Kevin @ 391
I think to some extent that Dyche has indeed gone over to the side of his employers, which is not unreasonable, however, I really don't want to see a divide between the coaching staff and the fans, it will prove disastrous for everyone involved.

Unfortunately as you say, we the paying customers are told absolutely nothing of any importance and are reliant on other fans such as Paul the Esk et al to decipher the financial status of the club. Dyche should, now that he has given the club's side of things, rally the fans and ask them to support him and his team, and that he and his staff will in return stretch every sinew to perform well and earn valuable points.

Whatever happens, the future owners, if there are to be any, will need a very large war-chest to rebuild this squad into something resembling a competitive Premier League team that will be fit to grace the final days of Goodison and if it goes ahead, the opening days at the new place.

Alan Myers for all of his 'Evertonian' credentials is I'm afraid just another of the clubs lackies who tweets whatever information suits the suits at the club.

Kevin Molloy
394 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:22:16
yes, Sean is a talented manager but he lacks certain key aspects too. He's not 'got' Evertonians at all. And he seems to think he's at a similar club to Burnley, only with more demanding fans. I'm surprised and a little disappointed that hen's not realised by now how badly the fans have been treated by those two arch deceivers running things. Or maybe he has, but knows which side is bread is buttered on. Either way it's not great.
Frank Knight
395 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:25:26
Reading the above dyche better get accustomed much quicker, all clubs are you win or you lost, Burnley sacked him cos of it! Start demanding more cos it’ll be your head on the block if this continues.
Jamie Crowley
396 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:26:26
What in the world has Sean Dyche said that isn’t anything but brutally frank and true?

Everton aren’t in a good financial position and have needed to adjust in the market and not spend as much. Fans of this big club simply want results and a return to some degree of “Blue normalcy”.

What’s not to like?

Everton fans are inpatient and want the Club to live up to their motto. They also appreciate down to earth straight-forwardness from my seat over the last 16 years.

I just don’t see how Dyche’s words aren’t anything but accurate and true?

Barry Hesketh
397 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:28:22
Christine @ 392
If that was the final list of expensive players with little contribution and no resale value, what you say may be true about most clubs having that sort of list, however, Everton's most expensive signings on the whole have been quite the disaster and we're now reaping the 'rewards'; but it's being made worse by an owner who seems to want to punish the club by withdrawing funds, when it might be more beneficial to the club for him to invest.

We as fans are being hit both ways, no glory for us as the past mistakes were made, and a bleak future because the bean-counters are doing what most do in these situations, over-compensating to claw back their losses.

At least we'll be able to watch in better surroundings in a couple of years time, but what we'll be watching may not be what we want to see. That's of course, if we can steer clear of relegation and administration, before then.

Ian McAvoy
398 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:31:46
I think getting rid of Cannon was a bad move! 6m is nothing in the game now. Couldn’t even buy a bootle based beer belly forward for that amount. Just saw Palmer left Man C for 40m. Not much between them in terms of ability. The fish rots from the head. Maybe the Premier League brass should be looking at the Everton ownership as being unfit as opposed to 777 group?
Kevin Molloy
399 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:33:00
he's done a 180 in 3 months. at the end of last season he spoke up, saying we were well short and the club needed big changes. Now, after us getting in a hundred million and spending just a couple of million he seems to think the fans are being unrealistic when they say 'what the fuck'. The owner is doing a number on us, and the manager sure as hell isn't going to say one word about it.
Barry Hesketh
400 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:42:12
Jamie @ 396

I don't think he's said anything we didn't already realise and quite some time before Dyche even arrived at the club. I don't understand why he compares Burnley to Everton in the way that he has?

All fans expect or at least hope that their team will win, all fans are aggrieved and annoyed when their team fails to win, no fans at any club think about balance sheets and transfer fees when they are watching their club, playing a game of football.

Fans may, and very often do make allowances for the financial status of their respective clubs, Evertonians did so for nearly 20 years prior to the arrival of Moshiri, but they did that because the managers, particularly Moyes seemed to understand that as long as the players gave their all, that's the least the fans would accept along with the inevitable ups and downs due to those financial restrictions.

Any manager of any club should know that he is responsible for putting out a team that will compete and hopefully win, there's no difference in the basic demands of Evertonians to any other club's supporters regardless of particular financial constraints.

Evertonians have even lowered their expectations to such an extent that SEVENTEENTH is seen as the new seventh.

Karl Masters
401 Posted 02/09/2023 at 00:44:26
The sales of Iwobi, Cannon and Simms have brought in about £37m, the buys of Beto and Chermitti have cost about the same.

10 players leave saving approximately £30m per year in wages with 5 coming in ( inc loans ) costing roughly half that.

So £15m a year better off, but squad slimmer than for a long time and leaves us open to an injury crisis..

All above calculations assuming Demarai Gray is staying.

Neil Cremin
402 Posted 02/09/2023 at 03:49:43
Anyone who thinks that this was a good transfer window is delusional. Where is our drive to go for award going to come from. Hope I'm wrong. No energy from Iwobi in mid field. Maup[ay would have thrived with Beto and Djauma. And Cannon and Simms from Acadamy on relatively cheap contracts sold before we can get back some value. If we had replace them maybe justified but now have a weaker squad and Everton being prone to injuries will be very vulnerable.
Tony Abrahams
404 Posted 02/09/2023 at 04:55:57
Players want to leave for a reason (regarding Iwobi)
Just because a club sells a few players doesn’t mean, they have got the money to suddenly buy some others (something I read yesterday morning, and why I posted what I did at#16)
Other than saying I’m off, then I don’t know what Dyche is supposed to do?
He basically told us the club was a disgrace after the Bournemouth game, and the actions of this transfer window confirm this.

I’m glad we have got rid of a lot of the players who have gone, but I disagree with selling Cannon, and I can’t believe we haven’t bought in at least one player with a bit of craft, which tells me it’s mostly been all about balancing the books.

The lying accountant and the egotistical fraud. The removal of these pair of lying incompetent frauds along with the silent partner, has got to be the most important thing now, especially if the club are not going to be the owners of Bramley Moore. We should definitely be making Kopite style noise about this more than anything else right now.

Jack Convery
405 Posted 02/09/2023 at 05:35:13
Dyche - "Evertonians, as much as they support us, when you are on the pitch, they don't bother about whether you have got money, no money, injuries, no injuries; they are just like you didn't win or you did win.

"So that is what is key to Evertonians, and I have learned that. That is what being at a bigger club is like, as you know, and that is no disrespect to Burnley, a fantastic club, but this is a bigger concern, and so therefore the heat comes on much quicker regardless of the facts.

"The facts here just don't count, whereas at Burnley they did, and I think people went, 'Okay, I sort of know where we are at.' At Everton, it is a different animal, and I have become well adjusted to that, and I had to."

If Dyche did say this, I'm genuinely surprised and really disappointed. Once again we the fans are being thrown under the bus by the club. We are thick, facts don't count, we are aggressive, we are delusional, are expectations are way too high, for the circumstances the club finds it self in - all of this comes from the club and now it seems the manager. The way he mentions Evertonians is as though we are an appendage attached to the club and a hindrance to boot, literally. The Evertonian's attitude to the clubs financial situation is a real negative. they need to be more realistic. Just like Moshiri, with his, "that's an expected loss" quote.

Just so you know where we are coming from Mr Dyche - we have accepted seeing 17th as a success, this season. We now travel in hope, ( in our 1000s by the way ), to away games, more than in expectation, hence are genuine surprise and excitement at the Brighton away result last season.Yes, we will criticise when we lose and we will praise when we win. If we see lack of effort as at Villa Park / Doncaster 1st half we will call it out. We now approach each season not wondering who we will be up against for a European place but trying to judge if there are 3 worse teams than us. We have put up with an owner and a chairman for far too long, that are totally out of their depth and have turned a once great football institution into a laughing stock. That's not your fault, I know but to come out with the party line - unbelievable. I thought you were better than that.

Finally, if it wasn't for the Evertonians and the way they have got behind the team during these last 2 relegation battles, we would be in administration and likely fighting to avoid relegation from the Championship or more frighteningly, as dead as a Norwegian Blue, or am I being delusional ? am I expecting to much ? am I just a passionate Evertonian who has been supporting the club for 63 years and not a, here today gone tomorrow - with millions in my pocket - manager for hire.

Ernie Baywood
406 Posted 02/09/2023 at 06:36:34
Barry 393 - I don't think Dyche was ever anywhere but on the side of his employers.

Think back to when we appointed him. It was timed so that he wasn't tainted by the transfer window (selling Gordon, not signing the promised striker) which could have been absolutely disastrous. It was timed to say 'look, we ran out of time'. It should have been absolutely disastrous but for some good fortune on the run in.

He's their smoke screen. He's got broad enough shoulders to take what's coming in exchange for his 30 pieces of silver.

I don't rate him, I think he's completely wrong for this club, and I absolutely consider him to be complicit in the board's dealings.

No long term plan. We just put all our efforts into defending the current malaise.

And then he has the nerve to call us delusional for hoping for progress.

Honestly, I don't hope for better under this leadership.

Neil Cremin
407 Posted 02/09/2023 at 06:52:36
Today’s game will tell whether we had a good transfer window
Whoever said that they wouldn’t have Iwobi in our first 11 would love to see his lineup
Ian Hollingworth
408 Posted 02/09/2023 at 06:54:02
To be fair Dyche has been hinting at this outcome for some time in his press conferences.
It’s all on him now though as he has to make a team out of what he has got.
It’s all now down to coaching, selecting the right formations and in game management, all of which is his job.
Over to you Sean.
Chris James
409 Posted 02/09/2023 at 07:09:44
To be honest Dyche is absolutely right in what he says, the expectation vs reality levels here are insane. It’s one thing to want the best for your club but quite another to believe we should be at the cl table just because of our history. It feels at times like the last 35 years are ignored and people just draw a straight line to the mid-late 80s.

The fickleness on some fronts towards players is staggering - we’re now even getting history rewritten by some on Maupay as a forward who would be a useful asset… seriously? This surely can’t be the same guy who was roundly slagged off every single match??!!!

I genuinely don’t know about Cannon, maybe that’ll come back to bite us in the future and maybe it won’t, but it’s not like he was a regular starter - so it’s hardly weakening the team right now and getting a return on a few academy players isn’t terrible business - we have also got 2 in the starting squad now with Branthwaite and Dobbin and a few others will be given a chance.

I have mixed feelings about Iwobi going, although again he was a figure of ridicule for many here and the same voices decrying his departure are also keen to point out the lack of any resale value from other players - you really can’t have it both ways!!
Given the cash recouped and wages saved I think the outs have been good business, I also think the ins look very smart. Beto, Danjuma and Harrison are genuinely great ‘team upgrade’ deals, I think Young is fine cover and Chermiti will hopefully prove himself as better than any of our current youngsters.
Branthwaite and Dobbin given first team chances mean there’s 6-7 effective new faces vs last year against 6 who are going out that we’re in contention.
I do think we could do with 1-2 more (another winger and defensive cover) and I also do think the club were genuinely pushing to get this. Gray’s position will be interesting to watch, if he is recalled and reintegrated then that would help soothe some worries, I don’t know if Cornet is any better tbh, although obv he does have Dyche history.

Ultimately the first team is stronger than the one that ended last year, and with McNeil and DCL added back in and Coleman returning we do I think have at least 2 players for each position. Yes it’s a small squad and we could do with 2 more additions, but that surely means chances for the youth prospects and maybe there’s even a free agent deal still to be done?

Given the ffp conditions, I think this window was a success and it shows a team operating more shrewdly in the markets vs the haphazard approach of the last 5 years. For me this is the beginning of a new project and unlike those with previous managers it needs patience.
Moyes had a tight squad and limited budgets, and turned that into top 7-8 finishes regularly, I see a lot of parallels here and I genuinely believe Dyche could do the same - I certainly think we’ll be fine this season and that we’re in a false position right now, given the chances we had and the bad decisions it should be 6 points on the board now. We’re going to win today and push on.

in summary, I’m not over the moon with the final dealings, but I think it was a positive step and the approach feels far more encouraging and sensible than what we had in the recent past. Coyb!!!!

Andrew McLawrence
410 Posted 02/09/2023 at 07:21:32
Smoke and mirrors from the management and angst from the fans. Could all be summarised with this.. if Beto gets injured we are in deep trouble.
Chris James
411 Posted 02/09/2023 at 07:30:53
In other news, is there anyone here worth a cheeky punt?
Tony Abrahams
412 Posted 02/09/2023 at 07:41:24
Jack@405. Without wanting to get involved with any arguments with a fellow long-standing Evertonian, I think Dyche is just stating fact, and telling us where the real problems lie, imo mate.

Haven’t got a genuine centre forward? We still got beat.

Have been left very short for the beginning of another new season? We still got beat.

I have realised that Evertonians just want to win says our manager, but sometimes people should look at the bigger picture, like how he his working for a club, who’s years of mismanagement, have led to major dysfunction, and as much as we get behind the team, the issues run very, very deep at Everton football club.

That’s how I read it anyway, but maybe it’s because I’m very anti Moshiri, and have hated Bill Kenwright since he lied about the kings dock.

Only a united fanbase on match day (that’s for you Michael K) will get Everton through the next few months. Let’s unite to get these bastards who are destroying Everton out of our football club, right now

Kunal Desai
413 Posted 02/09/2023 at 07:49:55
There must be a continuation of last seasons protests. No let-up. Both Moshiri and Kenwright need to go.
Ian Jones
414 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:01:31
I've read the full article in the Liverpool Echo and don't see why some people are being critical of Sean Dyche. I think it is a realistic take on the situation at the club. It's a mess. I think our expectations as fans are higher than they should be.

We're currently under investigation for possible financial errors of judgement so I assume can't be seen to be going on too much of a heavy spending spree, so attempting to save some money with some transfer sales and other releases of players was useful. Imagine there might be some more exits to Saudia Arabia, even if just a loan like Gomes or Gray.

It's going to be like this for some time. No real point to think otherwise. I'm not going to comment on how we got here or who is to blame. That's well documented by others.

We no longer have Iwobi, Maupay, Davies who were often selected to be the whipping boys. Interested to know who the next target is.

I trust Thelwell and Dyche to get most decisions right.

I think it's funny how some complain about the lack of incomings on transfer day itself. Not sure why. We've brought in around 5 new faces. 3 attacking players.

I am disappointed with Tom Cannon going. I would have liked to see him get a chance with us, but can see his reasoning for seeking to play elsewhere. Good luck to him.

On a positive, we still have Onana and Branthwaite for a while longer.

Looking forward to thrashing Sheffield United today. If they play Tom Davies, we already stand a chance as we are playing against 10 men. :)

Jack Convery
415 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:05:59
Agreed Tony, that we stick together, fans, team and management and get Dumb and Dumber out of OUR club.

My grievance with Dyche is that he implies we are too thick to realise the state the club is in and should take that into account. Believe me, I realise where we are and have accepted that, 17th is success this season.

I have also accepted that we can't spend money we don't have. I just don't appreciate a manager telling me that I need to be realistic, when that's exactly what I am. All I have ever wanted from the team and the manager is 100% on the pitch and in training. If it's not good enough, I'm okay with that, as that is the position we are in.

As a fellow EFC man, I know that you care as much as I do and by sticking together, EFC will get through this shameful period in our history. COYBs.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
416 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:14:13
For years the moan has been we leave everything to deadline day and never get people in earlier.

This year we sign Young, Beto, Danjuma, Chermiti and Harrison and Branthwaite back from loan and now we moan we did not bring in people on the deadline day.

Everton that.

Mick O'Malley
417 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:29:11
Jack@405 and Ernie @406, excellent posts and I completed agree with you 100 %, also if this club sinks any lower it will be us Evertonians who drag them back up, I was disappointed by Dyche’s statement. I at least expected a centre half through the door in this window, if god forbid we have any sort of injury to our 2 centre halves, we’ll be left with an out of sorts Godfrey and Keane who hasn’t exactly started the season confidently, I know Yerry missed a lot of games through injury but there’s no doubt we’ll miss him this season, come on Blues we need a positive performance and result today
Alex Gray
418 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:31:22
It’s hard to swallow. 2.3 billion was spent in the premier league this window. We spent 6mil of that.

The players brought in i’m happy with. Smart business and improve the starting 11. The squad is even weaker though. Coady, Mina (on 35k wages now btw), iwobi, cannon, simms, maupay, davies, gbamin free up a lot of wages and brought in nearly 40mil in fees is good financially but with a fully fit squad we just about make a bench.

To this day the club have let Sean Dyche spend 6million. Every team around us have strengthened.

Taking Kenwright out the equation as we all want him gone it’s time to really look at Moshiri. He’s asset stripped us to nearly oblivion. We were told a billionaire had taken us over. He’s got no money. The second Usmanov went we’ve not had a window with a positive net spend. We are not in FFP issues anymore. We’ve got the second lowest net spend in the league over the last 5 years and our wage bill is a fraction of what it was.

Our defence is one injury away from worst in the league. Our midfield disappears in the afcon. If Beto gets injured our only fit striker is a 19 year old and our wingers are already all injured.

The whole point of this window was to balance the squad. Our defence has lost mina, coady and holgate bringing in Ashley young. Our midfield has lost Iwobi and Davies, bringing in nobody. Our strikers started off with four and ended in three granted better options. The only area we’ve improved is on the wings. Financially it’s a good window but that doesn’t keep us in the league.

Tired, deflated and out of ideas. Gaslit the fanbase to the point were some accept this, others feel powerless. If we lose today expect this to turn toxic.

Brent Stephens
419 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:38:02
Phil #416 agree except I'd conclude "Some on ToffeeWeb that".
Barry Hesketh
420 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:41:49
Ian @414
The whole article is reproduced in my earlier post @387, I don't think that the issue is with what Dyche is saying surrounding the facts of our situation, I just think that the tone of his observations is ill-advised and it's very dangerous for him, to try and paint the fans as being ignorant of the difficulties that the manager and the club face.

Difficulties that have been brought on by the almost criminal negligence of the hierarchy, and that gross mismanagement has little to do with the ignorance or fanciful demands of the supporters, except where the hierarchy failed to stick to a plan because they believed that they should placate the fans, rather than outline that what they were doing was best for the club in the longer-term.

Fans make demands, sometimes, unreasonable ones, the hierarchy act and make decisions, that should always have the best interest of the club at heart, for Everton that hasn't always been the case.

The article has a lot of the hallmarks of a Kenwright production, and I suppose that makes some fans very nervous, and might go some way to explain the angst and perhaps, even anger at the tone of what was said.

As I said earlier most reasonably minded Evertonians would take 17th place, right now, if it was offered, how is that target being unrealistic or too demanding? It's back to being plucky little Everton once again, but this window might prove to be a gamble too far, hopefully, it's a gamble that pays off and we can move forward with more hope this time next year.

Joe Thomas in his latest article, in the Echo, asks Moshiri not to panic and not to make a knee-jerk decision, if there isn't an immediate uptick in performances and results, and whilst I agree with him to an extent, I'd also ask the manager to realise that the supporters are his and his team's most valuable asset, and those in the boardroom are irrelevant until the next window opens.

None of what I am writing is intended to suggest Dyche should be handed a blank cheque. Everton fans rightly have high standards and he has had enough time with the squad now to instil his values on the players at his disposal. The defeat at Aston Villa and the first half at Doncaster offered concerning glimpses that a psychological fragility remains within the squad despite his efforts to remove it.

But it would only make this season harder, not easier, should those above Dyche panic over the coming weeks and make him the latest casualty of the club’s instability. It would make even less sense having allowed him to oversee pre-season and the transfer window.

Farhad Moshiri must hold nerve

George Cumiskey
422 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:50:47
Anyone who thought we were trying to get players in on deadline day are naive fools, the stories about us talking to this player and that player was a load of typical Everton bullshit, they had no intention of bringing anyone else in.
Shaun Laycock
423 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:52:15
I think our hands have been tied to a greater degree than we are aware of. Sensible recruitment...check. get some value from players in last year of contract...check. get rid of some deadwood...check. is the squad stronger at the end than we started...yes. Players coming back from injury...yes.
Let's give the man a chance.
As for the board...no let up!
Shaun Laycock
424 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:54:41
And the Saudi window is still ajar.
George Cumiskey
425 Posted 02/09/2023 at 08:55:55
The people who are pleased with our transfer business what pleases you most, the new midfield play maker or the new centre back or maybe the new fullback ?
Danny O’Neill
426 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:02:51
Tony, I'm getting into matchday mode.

But you've hit a trigger.

It's not players (to a degree). It's no longer managers. They are the scapegoats for those who wield power and protect themselves.

It is how the club has been mismanaged from the top.

And it's not years. It's decades. Three of them. Neglect and standing still. In fact walking backwards.

Anyway, three points today and see you at the next one. The next home game is on mine and Neville Southall's birthday!

Brent Stephens
427 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:07:25
George, bit of a selective question, that! How about our forwards?
Tony Abrahams
428 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:07:35
With no craft out wide, and also because I think we are going to end up playing 4-4-2 in a lot of games, (only a fool wouldn’t if he’s got a fit Beto & DCL, with this squad) then my biggest disappointment is not signing a proper wide player, who can go past his man and put in a decent cross.

Maybe I’m underestimating Harrison and McNeil? Although I don’t think I am because they are the only two natural wide players on the books.

I’d play Doucoure down the right simply because energy is his biggest attribute, and hopefully McNeil is fit to play on the other flank, because he also adds energy to the team.

Play with energy Everton, play with fucking energy

George Cumiskey
429 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:10:51
Brent have you looked at our midfield and defence lately ?
Brent Stephens
431 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:14:11
Yes, George. Have you looked at out forward line lately? In some areas we are no stronger in terms of quality (but not weaker); in other areas we are stronger.
Jim Lloyd
432 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:14:27
I think we brought in the player we needed most, a goalscorer, we also brought in another who looks very likely to score goals, we also brought in Harrison, who along with McNeill, can also score goals and equally importantly, can set up the goalscorers with chances.

We've kept Branthwaite, who I was worried would leave. I'm content with us selling Iwobe.

I'd have liked to see us sell Pickford, Onana and Doucouré. I'd have liked to see us sell Keane and bring in a replacement. I think we need players while Patterson and Mykolenko need time to learn the requirements of the Premier League game.

We could have spent the money available on a right back a playmaker and a centre half, but that would have been unlikely to increase the amount of goals we score.

It just makes clear to me that the club are SKINT. so getting the forwards in who can score goals and getting a winger in, who can score and set up chances is fine by me.

Overall, we've brought players in who will improve our goalscoring and chance making, which has been our biggest downfall for years. We could, and should, won two of our first three games.We still have most of those players who were better than fulham and Wolves but didn't score. Now we have goalscorers as well.

Bill Fairfield
433 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:17:55
It’s going to be another difficult season,with a threadbare squad. Hopefully we’re lucky with regards to injury and suspensions. Future is still looking bleak as long as Billy Bullshit and co are driving the bus.
Ernie Baywood
434 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:23:35
Chris 409. You've gone to a real extreme there.

I don't think most on here are thinking we should be in the Champions League. Even the most optimistic have had their optimism and expectations crushed by this regime.

But we shouldn't be expecting this. Circling the drain while not investing in the team. If this is expected or reasonable then they've really done a job on you.

This is living hand to mouth stuff. It possibly makes sense to an accountant or an owner, but it shouldn't make sense to a football supporter.

What's the point?

Steve Brown
435 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:29:33
George, defence and midfield are my concerns as well. It is great that we have bolstered the attack, but we have seriously neglected other weak areas of the squad.

Here are the squad members who I would consider playing regularly in the premier league.

Keepers - Pickford
Centre backs - Tarkowski and Branthwaite
Full-backs - Coleman (when fit), Young.
Midfielders - Gana, Onana, Doucoure, Garner
Forwards - Danjuma, McNeil, Beto, Dobbin, DCL, Chermiti, Harrison, Gray.

Does that look balanced to anyone?

Brent Stephens
436 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:30:22
Jim #432

"We could have spent the money available on a right back a playmaker and a centre half, but that would have been unlikely to increase the amount of goals we score."

Agree, Jim. Our problem so far this season has been our inability to score goals; hopefully we've now fixed that (and in the process taken some pressure off the defence and midfield).

Our one really bad league result at Villa saw Keane in defence – Branthwaite hopefully now fixes that problem.

Jason Li
437 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:34:29
Thinking about the right wing problem. If I was Dobbin, I'd be having lessons on crossing the ball from anywhere after the half-way line. He's the only one who can burn down the wing and cross on the run with a right foot. Garner can cross a ball but hasn't the acceleration to play as a winger. Maybe crossing lessons with Garner can help Dobbin evolve. For the last few seasons Iwobi was the benchmark for a right footed winger crossing the ball in, so I think Dobbin has a chance to nail a position here if he can find a consistent way to put the ball to suit Beto.

Also, if the Gray situation resolves, that makes it interesting on the right as well

Godfrey, I hope he can find a way to study slower centre backs who rely on positioning like Jags, Terry at Chelsea, Vidic and Martinez at Man Utd, Bould & Adams at Arsenal. If Godfrey can find two or three things this year to add to his game to stand in the right place as the game evolves then he still has a chance to challenge Tarkowski. I think Tarkowski is reliable, but Godfrey is able to do the same job if he trained a bit more to rely less on his pace and more on situational play and positioning. After this his pace will allow him to challenge Tarkowski as an option. Hopefully the Everton coaches are helping him through as I think Godfrey cannot have another season of decline. Maybe he needs to be brave and find another defensive advisor outside the club to improve his game. The talent is there and we've seen it, and I hope he finds a way to improve because it would make a huge difference to him and the squad if an improving Godfrey is back. With his versatility as well, it gives a huge confidence to the whole back line if Godfrey is back in form again.

James Marshall
438 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:35:06
Am I the only person who thinks the manager is going to use Gomes and Dele this season? During the AFCON he's probably going to have to so I foresee the pair of them being fully integrated into the first team as the season progresses.

People forget that Dele is actually a seriously good footballer - probably our best midfielder in truth. He's a £10m signing waiting in the wings, and I'd love to see him fit and playing for us if he can get his head together. You want a new playmaker in midfield? Well Dele is exactly that.

Jim Lloyd
439 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:38:03
I think the same Brent. If we are skint, as it seems that we are, I'm very pleased in who we've been able to bring in. Injuries will be the problem as we've only really got a good first team and not a squad. With Seamus (hopefully for the season) Dominic, Jack and Dwight, to come back in, we're a decent side.

It's what happens in the not to distant future that I'm worried about!

Steve Brown
440 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:39:41
Brent/Jim, you will be seeing a lot more of Keane this season if Tarkowski or Branthwaite pick up an injury.

I am also not sure how investing in a playmaker wouldn’t result in more goals?

We have been one injury away from crisis in attack for 2 years. We have simply switched the same issue to the defence now.

Brian Harrison
441 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:44:11
I posted yesterday morning that if we sold some players then we should keep the money till the Jan window, when we might have different priorities. Selling Iwobi was a no brainer, as if we didnt sell him he walks in the summer and we get nothing, so for a club with not much money it was the right decision. Selling Maupay, again a no brainer most fans didn't want him anywhere near the team so we cant complain now we have got him off the wage bill. I am disappointed we sold Tom Cannon, I think we may in time regret that but Dyche obviously didn't fancy him so no point in keeping him.

So that deals with the players sold then the cry is but we havent replaced them, yes we have we did what most clubs do they get in the replacements first. So Betto replaces Maupay I would say thats a massive upgrade and Danjuma replaces Iwobi again for me he is more of a goal threat than Iwobi. The other player we have been linked with was Gnonto but for me he was never worth more than £20 million and the money Leeds were asking was ridiculous and they knew that. Also we have yet to see Harrison or McNeil playing wide and also Dyche says he expects all the squad to be fit after the international break. So that will include Dele, imagine him firing at even half that he was at Spurs a ready made number 10, now wouldn't that be exciting.

Brent Stephens
443 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:45:29
Steve "I am also not sure how investing in a playmaker wouldn’t result in more goals?"

Steve, that's not anything I've suggested.

Jim Lloyd
444 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:47:03
Steve. Who would you leave out of the players we've brought in then. Beto, Danzuma, Harrison, Chermiti? As I think that's the limit of our spends available.
Brent Stephens
445 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:47:25
And, Steve, of course we might have to play Keane if Tarks or Branthwaite get injured. The point is that as things stand the defence is now stronger with Branthwaite.
Steve Brown
446 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:48:01

I might have misunderstood you, but my assumption was based on your post below.

“Jim #432
"We could have spent the money available on a right back a playmaker and a centre half, but that would have been unlikely to increase the amount of goals we score."

Agree, Jim.”

Alex Gray
447 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:49:35
James Dele was a good footballer four years ago. Like everyone I hope we get him back to even 75% of that but there’s also a chance he never does sadly. Gomes did alright last year on loan I believe but he gets outrun in the prem.

I eagerly await to see our squad today. I suspect a fair few names nobody has heard of considering our injuries.

Steve Brown
448 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:51:12
Honestly Jim, I would have prioritised a right back or centre half over Chermiti.

Don’t get me wrong, I like investing in young talent but our needs this reason are more immediate.

With all the forwards at his disposal, I hope Dyche gets the team on the front-foot.

Anyway, let’s see starting with a win against Sheff Utd today.

Jim Lloyd
449 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:54:30
Steve, I take your point about a playmaker. I'm hoping (!!) that the management team have,and are, looking at the playmaker requirement. I 'm also hoping they have looked at Deli and are willing to see how he progresses. Gomes? well! he's got great eye for a pass and started with us like a world beater.

I think, mate, we're living on faith hope and charity. Our faith and our hopes, and that someone will be charitable towards our club, as we don't have a pot to piss in and it's a matter of make do and mend. COYB

Brent Stephens
450 Posted 02/09/2023 at 09:59:13
Steve #446 I think the implicit part of my post was that supply to the forwards isn't so much our problem as is finishing - hence the need for more and better forwards.
Brent Stephens
451 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:01:18
Steve #448 - your point about Chermiti (versus a new RB or CH) I think is a fair one.
Jim Lloyd
452 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:01:29
Alex, agreed. That's all we're left with by the look of it. Unless we can get someone in on loan/free agent, whatever, we're down to counting the pennies by the look of it.
Steve Brown
453 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:01:54
I might be wrong Jim and Brent.

I often am, and remember branding McNeil as the new Kevin Kilbane.

It was great to be proved wrong on Dwight and I would be delighted to be proven wrong again this season!

John Charles
454 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:04:30
Whilst it could have been better and the full backs are a worry. To strengthen the team and make money is a good window.
Jim Lloyd
455 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:07:21
Steve, your not wrong. I looked at Dwight and thought "what the good gordon, have we bought!

It just reinforces what we see has happened to our club, since Kenwright but a blight on our existence.

I'm hoping that the difference between the first and second half at Doncaster is the start of us scoring goals again!

Brent Stephens
456 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:13:08
Steve, we never thought we'd be hoping for a quick recovery and return by McNeil! Some strength now on the end of his quick deliveries from the wing.
Dave Abrahams
457 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:21:13
Joe Digney back at (1) said “Expect nothing but disappointment” well you were spot on Joe because that’s all I got from yesterday’s transfer movements, although Iwobi going was a big plus for me.

Even then Iwobi’s signing for Fulham didn’t help Everton, always late in the tackle and very late putting his signature on the dotted line, that must have helped the boardroom and the owner.

The attack was strengthened before yesterday the defence and central midfield remain weak and any injuries in those departments will further weaken the team.

As for fans thinking that Dele and Gomes will improve the midfield good luck with that, Gomes has proved time after time after time he weakens the midfield and is better out of it, Dele best wishes with your mental problems I doubt very much you will ever return to your physical best.

I’m glad I listened to your advice Joe but it doesn’t lessen my worries for my team and club in the present form.

John Kavanagh
458 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:39:42
I'm Gnonto pleased that some supporters are still falling for the old fake bid routine, a favourite Chairman Bill ploy.

Add to that that we've just sold Vardi's replacement to Leicester for a knock down fee after wilfully refusing to even give the lad a decent opportunity to prove himself. His replacement did not exactly set the world on fire last week and had more than a faint whiff of Barlow about him. Still, he may well come good. Fingers crossed.

In all the arguments above about savings, we need to take account of the cost of Chairman Bill's dodgy loans and the rocketing interest charges now falling on our club. The sources of the money remain as opaque as ever, but a few posters have suggested that companies making the loans have connections to Chairman Bill (like the old CIU joke 'the club's gone bust but the steward has offered to lend us the money').

Anyway, we are now left with a very weak squad and the best of our youngsters have been loaned out. If injuries/suspensions occur then we will be in deep trouble.

My recurring nightmare is what happened to Coventry - relegated and held to ransom for extortionate rents they couldn't pay on a leased new ground. And there's still the FA inquiry in October, let's not forget.

While we must get totally behind the team and pray for some luck, those responsible for our demise must be held to account. I hope everyone gets behind the protests to get Kenwright and Moshiri out and some responsible owners in.

Today is a real six pointer. Lose and we will be in desperate trouble. COYB.

Ernie Baywood
459 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:39:52
Dele isn't getting into this team for lots of reasons. I'd love to see him fit and firing for anyone and would love it to be us, but it won't be.

The attacking midfielder/playmaker/10 role has been Doucoure pretty much throughout Dyche's reign. He's the least talented occupant of that role in the division. But I think we can expect it to stay that way.

Personally I think Danjuma is the obvious occupant but does he do the defensive work of Doucoure?

James Hughes
460 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:40:10
A predictable end to the window. Dyche has been about as subtle as a brick when talking about transfers. How they need to be structured because of our situation etc. there was very little chance of getting more players in yesterday.

The live forum will be interesting as we have lost Tom Davies and Iwobi, who will be the next target of He's Shite brigade, my money is on Patterson.


John Kavanagh
461 Posted 02/09/2023 at 10:51:05
James H @ 460,

I'll give you Patterson, but raise you Gana and Onana in the Live Forum 'He's shite' poker game. Those holding the Maupay cards have folded.

Phil Sammon
462 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:11:46
To be fair, Patterson has started the year really poorly. I really like the lad and I want him to come good…but my optimism is fading.

I watched a mini-match today of Everton v Spurs in 2010. Seamus Coleman’s second Everton appearance. He came on as a sub and changed the game. We came from two down to draw 2-2. How I miss the days of marauding fullbacks.

Dave Abrahams
463 Posted 02/09/2023 at 11:13:12
Brent (456), Brent I’m hoping that McNeil does his work from central midfield along with Garner and Gueye getting some help from both of them, he gets next to nothing from Onana, while Doucoure can use his energy up and down the field.
Christine Foster
464 Posted 03/09/2023 at 04:58:20
The recent footnote to Sigurdsson's career in joining Lyngby Boldklub in Denmark, reminded me that we have had no creative midfielder since he left, and we have suffered considerably since.

No matter who we use or how we play, there is no doubt we have suffered considerably with no creative midfielder. Iwobi was but a shadow of one, Onana a million miles from one, Garner, Gana, or Doucoure aren't, in fact, Dele is in truth the only creative midfielder we have and for various reasons, injury, transfer clauses, mental state etc, we have been unable to play him or get the best from him.

Since his laying out of causes, injury recovery and general health, we have yet to see if he is a shadow of his former self. For one, I hope he is, not because I think he is brilliant, but because the team needs a player of his ability in its locker and frankly, in today's money, we cannot afford someone with his class. If he can recover it (his form), then we will be a long way towards recovery as a team.
Its a gamble, but how else are we to progress?

Mike Doyle
465 Posted 03/09/2023 at 16:50:30
One possible “positive” from our non-scoring start to the season and Calvert-Lewin's injury is that they increased the pressure to conclude a deal for Beto.

Had we taken a few points from the opening 3 games, it wouldn't have surprised me if we didn't bring another forward in.

In other news – Chermiti signing remains a mystery.

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