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Sean Dyche says that he is starting to see the change in his Everton side as he and his staff impress on the players the different ways that can sometimes be required to win tight games in the Premier League.

The manager was speaking after today’s well-earned 1-0 at West Ham that moved the Blues up a place to 15th in the table on the back an excellent goal from Dominic Calvert-Lewin.

The striker’s neat touch that took him past Nayef Aguerd gave him enough space to sweep a right-footed shot past Alphonse Areola in the Hammers’ goal with 51 minutes gone and that proved enough for Everton to take three points back to Merseyside.

It was Calvert-Lewin’s 50th goal in the Premier League for the Toffees, a milestone he would surely have passed a while ago had he not struggled against injury over the past two seasons.

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“Absolutely it’s a great milestone for Dom,” Dyche said afterwards, while also hinting that the No.9 isn’t yet back to the peak of his powers. “Since he’s come back to fitness he’s looked stronger, he’s looked sharper and we hope it continues to pay him back.

“It’s a real good marker for him. To get to that number is really pleasing for him and for us.

“Dom’s a really good player. He’s had a really tough couple of years. I think, collectively, we’ve found a way of managing that sort of comeback to true fitness. He’s very close now. You can tell it in the way he’s performing, his body language, his desire to do what he does.”

On the overall performance, the manager expressed his satisfaction at a good overall team effort.

“I thought it was a very good performance for lots of reasons,” Dyche said. “We’re trying to work in different ways with the team — with the ball and also without the ball: can you defend, can you see a game through and I thought we did that very well today.”

“[I]t was very pleasing. It’s a very tough place to come and they’ve proven that over the last couple of seasons and certainly over the last calendar year.

“You don’t want to be too greedy but I certainly don’t think we made as many chances as early season. Our first three home games of the season it’s unfathomable how we didn’t draw those games, if not win.

“Today was a different kind of performance. We had key moments and defended very well.

“We had a mixed way of playing that I really like. I talk to them endlessly about it, there’s different ways of winning games and I say to them: ‘Can we work on different ways of winning games?’ and we’ve done that.

“I think we’re beginning to change the group and I think there’s a firmer edge to us when the game is not as perfect as we’d like it to be and I think that’s important over a Premier League season.

“I’ve been in it a long time and I know these tight games… coming out on top of them, the ones where you’re not playing as well… Can you find a way to get points, to win games? The ones where you play well usually look after themselves. I think that underbelly of a mentality is important and I think it was there.”

Dyche also reserved individual praise for Jordan Pickford, who was in the right place to make a solid 90th-minute save to deny Saïd Benrahma not long after he had tipped Aguerd’s shot over his crossbar, and young defender Jarrad Branthwaite who continues to defy belief at the level of his performances given his relatively tender age.

“Jarrad continues to learn and to find that Premier League way,” Dyche explained. “We’re not over-coaching him, we’re letting him go a little bit but he’s doing a very good job.

“The team in front of that and the belief in what we’re trying to achieve, the belief in change… because I’ve said endlessly we’ve got to change the story. Don’t wait for anyone else to change it. There are signs that we’re beginning to do that.

“I think we’re improving from last season and that was my first marker when asked about it. I said: ‘I want to improve, I want to be better than last season,’ and I think there are clear signs of that.”


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Paul Birmingham
1 Posted 29/10/2023 at 22:43:36
Very good foundations being sunk, to and long may it last.

I'm confident this season, for Everton, allowing good fortune with AFCON, injuries, and suspensions, will be pushing 7th and 8th, at least.


Colin Glassar
2 Posted 29/10/2023 at 23:58:29
The team is starting to pick itself. We have the basis for having a solid mid-table team this season and something to build on if we ever get a decent owner.
Dan Nulty
3 Posted 30/10/2023 at 05:27:11
Agree Colin, whilst I understand why people don't want Dyche, he is exactly what we need at this time.
Paul Ferry
4 Posted 30/10/2023 at 05:58:49
I don't think that that is what Colin said at all Dan.
Robert Tressell
5 Posted 30/10/2023 at 06:33:51
I don't pay much attention to these press conference soundbites but we are clearly improving. 3 wins in the past 5 games now and solid performances all over the pitch and collectively. Dyche is doing a very good job with the players available.
Ian Jones
6 Posted 30/10/2023 at 06:37:22
I agree with Colin's comments.

Given where we are and the players available, the team picked against West Ham is probably the strongest we have at the moment.

We all have different opinions about individual players, for example, Onana, who I would persevere with, but I feel football is also about partnerships and players getting to know how each others play.

Obviously room for improvement but winning against teams like West Ham, those around us and those below will move us up the table.

Getting good performances against the better teams and hopefully picking up 3 points against them from time to time will get us back to being more like the Everton of a few years back.

Re Dyche, perhaps not the most exciting of managers, and probably not my first choice, but I couldn't tell you who is, so he'll do for me. I have listened to some of his interviews about management and he talks alot of sense.

Tony Abrahams
7 Posted 30/10/2023 at 07:27:52
I think what he says about Brainthwaith, not being over-coached, is very significant because the kid is coming on leaps and bounds. I also think that this will apply to the rest of the squad, because basic common sense is vastly underrated, in this very scientific league!

It’s a very, very long time since everyone has been singing off the same hymn page at Everton, but if Dyche is slowly bringing this into our squad, then Everton will slowly begin to grow🙏

I usually write hopefully or imo, when giving an opinion, but I’m that confident about what I’ve written in my paragraph above, that no such words to back up my opinion were necessary!

Christine Foster
8 Posted 30/10/2023 at 07:50:33
A good, solid all round performance, I thought we made WHU look very poor, our workrate was much higher, chances created better but the real difference was DCL, he looked sharp and won just about everything. My only reservation was Doucoure for me he ambled through most of the game, should have scored but for a good save from the keeper, but all in all, very satisfied with the intensity, and the balance, its not quite right yet but good enough to beat at least half the clubs in this league. Well done guys.
Jim Lloyd
9 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:08:55
I like Dyche, I'm glad we've got him; and I think he's already made a positive difference to the squad's attitude. I think that now he's got them believing that they can go out and win games. They are now looking like a team who are making the opposition work hard to try and get anything from us. It's good to see a team forming as each week goes by. The midfield has good players in it; and they're learning their roles in it. The young defenders? yep. They're going to make mistakes while they learn; but this is a hard league to do your learning in; but they're definitely improving.
A few words about Branthwaite. He reminds me of a young Brian Labone.
Anthony Flack
10 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:25:19
I am a little too young to remember Labone, but what a tool Garth Crooks is, comparing Branthwaite to Lyon’s and not Ratcliffe

No offense to Mick Lyon’s intended at all but Crooks is just a bit thick or if I’m kind a lazy journalist

Dean Johnson
11 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:32:17
I echo most of the sentiments above.

Personally I was not convinced by Dyche but he saved us from relegation and he is slowly rebuilding us by 1- making us hard to beat and 2- making us do the basics right.

The more he says the more he convinces me that he is exactly what we need. Build the foundation and go from there.

Please also notice that we have some of the fewest injuries in the league, coincidence? I don't think so.

I think he knows he can't play Michael Keane but just sometimes we have no other options.

Just random thoughts UTFT

Robert Tressell
12 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:36:22
Tony # 7, I probably get hung up on the scientific side - but it's good that Dyche is placing a lot of trust in Branthwaite and allowing him to learn his game for himself. Possibly not unlike how Martinez handled Stones (albeit Branthwaite is a more conventional defender) and got more out of Barkley than any other manager since.

I think Branthwaite is helped in this respect by playing in such a well organised structure - that probably goes for other young players like Onana, Garner and Patterson. I suspect its what is now helping Mykolenko look like a player now after experiencing shambles after shambles under Benitez and Lampard.

Peter Roberts
13 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:38:38
Man Utd have 5 more points than us. They have scored 1 goal more & conceded 1 goal more than us. All we need is a bit of luck & better refereeing decisisons & we may survive despite the threat of points deduction.
Peter Roberts
14 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:39:40
Christopher Timmins
15 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:45:40
Another step forward and definite sign that our horrific away form for the past number of years is improving. To all those fantastic supporters who travel around the country supporting the team it looks as if you will get a run for money in most of the away games between now and the end of the season.

We have a goalkeeper is the best since Neville.

We have defenders who know how to defend, indeed in the case of our central defenders and left back they relish the job. Hopefully, with games, Patterson will add to that list.

We have a midfield that is hard working and compact with lots of energy.

Up top we have DCL, enough said!

We are a top 10 in terms of playing without the ball and hopefully over time we will become a top 10 team when playing with the ball.

We have to keep pushing forward over the coming months, we are talking about EFC after all and we should put no ceiling on what can be achieved.

Dyche in!

Ernie Baywood
16 Posted 30/10/2023 at 08:52:05
Colin 2 - thank God it does currently pick itself. Because when Dyche was picking it he had Gana and Young in it until they were unavailable through injury and suspension.

The improvement has been significant. And maybe, just maybe, we can get ourselves out of the mess we got ourselves into through the first 8 games.

But it's far from done. We've wasted good fixtures and he's still harking back to how it was just bad luck rather than the choices that were made with personnel. There's nothing impressive about having lots of possession and shots against teams that come to sit deep. It's going to happen - the job is then playing people who can turn possession into genuine chances and goals.

There's a decent first team within this squad. It probably doesn't include Doucoure, who again had his boots on the wrong feet yesterday, but we'll have to wait for him to be injured or suspended for the team to again pick itself.

Jim Lloyd
17 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:04:43
Anthony (10) No disrespect to Mick Lyons (great heart and great Evertonian; BUT!!) Brian was an England class centre half and class as soon as he got in the team. You're right, Crooks is a tool! :)
I think Ratcliffe was a different (still brilliant) style of centre half. He used his speed to recover the ball, to great effect (and he was a perfect partner for Derek Mountfield.
Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:13:00
Nothing scientific about overlapping fullbacks Robert, so hopefully this will soon become the next stage of the team’s development!?
Ian Jones
19 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:20:17
Also, in theory, if we are able to move up the table away from the relegation zone, the players, especially the younger ones, will feel a little more confident and freer to try things without fears of groans from the crowd, if they get it slightly wrong. Alot wrong might be a different story

It will also be interesting to see whether Farhad Moshiri turns up at Goodison for any of the two upcoming matches and if he does what kind of reaction he may get. I have a feeling he will be at one if not both matches. I would expect he will want to pay his respects to Bill Kenwright. It would be a poor show if he doesn't.

Robert Tressell
20 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:23:18
Christopher # 15, definitely top 10 without the ball (which might explain the difference between home and away form). With the ball, I think it will take more quality in the attacking third.

Replace Doucoure with, say, Gibbs-White, Palmer or Maddison and we'd hit another level with the ball.

Replace one of our steady but not dynamic wingers with, say, Bowen, Mitoma or Neto and we'd be a cracking side.

Shame we're skint.

Tony Everan
21 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:26:09
I think so Tony, Harrison and Patterson look like a combination that could deliver it. There’s a potential there to see some good creative attacking play down our right hand side, especially at home. It could become a feature for many seasons to come.
Brian Harrison
22 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:32:13
Good result, and thoroughly deserved win. Restricted West Ham completely and they only had the chance near the end. Branthwaite again another masterclass, he just keeps getting better and better, I am sure a lot of top clubs will be looking enviously at him. With him signing a new 4 year contract with no get out clauses this is our chance to start building something rather than selling off another asset before seeing him at his best.
Ian Jones
23 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:38:17
Anyone think, if Doucoure isn't the answer, and forgetting all the ins and outs of the transfer situation, whether Dele Alli could do a job behind/alongside DCL.
Robert Tressell
24 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:40:31
Ian # 23, only if you have a time machine to somehow get hold of the 2018 version. Sadly.
Ian Jones
25 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:43:57
Robert, fair point, but I imagine he'll come good and do a decent job somewhere and surprise a few.
Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:46:35
Ian (23), the old Dele Alli would have been superb with Dominic but I don’t think we would have got the old Alli because Spurs wouldn’t have let him go.
Christy Ring
27 Posted 30/10/2023 at 09:47:56
With a near fully fit squad, Dyche has us looking totally balanced, have to compliment him on his handling of Calvert-Lewin, even when we were struggling last season he never rushed him back, and he still says he’s not fully match fit yet.
Duncan McDine
28 Posted 30/10/2023 at 10:15:45
An extremely welcome 3 points and clean sheet. Fabulous goal from our number 9 and assured performances around the team. SD and the players can only control what happens on the field, and for now, it seems like we are trending in the right direction.
Jim Lloyd
29 Posted 30/10/2023 at 10:18:21
I don't think we're doing to bad. We should have won two of our first three home games. We made enough chances. It was jkust a shame we couldn't put some of those chances away. I think with McNeil, Doucouré, Harrison and a fit Calvert Lewin, then we'll put that right.

I know Harrison missed a couple on Sunday, but he's just come back from a fairly long lay off. But him, McNeil and Doucouré can take some of the weight off Calvwert Lewin. Give them some time together and I'm hoping they'll add up to a lot more than each individually. Along with Garner, we#ve got the makings of a good attack

Jack Convery
30 Posted 30/10/2023 at 10:31:46
A good result a and a solid away performance. A fit DCL is a godsend. Partnerships are starting to appear in the team. Tarks and Branthwaite looking like the best we've had since Jags and Distin. Mykolenko and McNeill starting to gell. I have hopes for Harrison and Patterson too. Onana looking a different player alongside steady eddy Garner instead of Gueye. Doucoure playing around DCL and offering good support. Pickford being Pickford. All good news.

Mykolenko looking much better with Branthwaite inside to cover - he had Salah in his pocket. Tarks after an indifferent start to the season now settled with a steady partner and not the nervy Keane. Having round pegs in round holes, who are playing well - simples.

Keep it going Dyche and beat Burnley. Winning that accursed League Cup will be just what this club needs.

Alan McGuffog
31 Posted 30/10/2023 at 11:43:21
Very pleasing performance and result. Not meaning to urinate on anyone's French fries but how many times ( dozens ) have we been in this scenario. A good result and then a home game we should be up for. Brighton are good but we thumped them a few months ago.
But which Everton will turn up.
Ah well, ever hopeful.
Martin Farrington
32 Posted 30/10/2023 at 12:26:50
Dear Dyche detractors.

The guy has performed minor miracles. 8 of the 11 fielded on Sunday are players who brought us close to relegation last season (9 if you count DCL).

Many of whom also were in situ during the previous relegation year.

Due to (as outlined below), he has had to put these players on the pitch regularly.

He had no signings which were urgently needed (when he was promised) last January.

No stellar or premier league top quality signings in the summer. We let go a fair few leading to a reduced squad.

With a complete shambles of hierarchy hell bent on steering us into an abyss. Financially inept. Woeful at anything and everything Premier League football club related and staring at huge sanctions for breaching rules and regulations.

Moaning about him is the best you can do !!!

Well I saw the tumbleweed blowing along Goodison Road after Lampard was sacked (I excluded the usual failed money grabbers).

Dyche has given us hope where there was none.

He isn't perfect and will make minor mistakes.


Furthermore he may soon have to dig deeper into his bag of magic tricks if EFC haters and the premier league gets their way.

At West Ham we were not great.

But neither were they.

Mostly lethargic and looking knackered.

That rain soaked heavy going pitch may have been the culprit.

On a sunny day play seems to go at half speed on it.

Branthwaite is phenomenal.

Tarks outstanding.

Jordan world class.

DCL scored a gem. But has a look of concern should he push to chasing a lot.

We do have the making of a strong side if all manage to stay fit.

Taking any win from an away fixture is massive considering our record.

Now two homes games.

Hold onto your expectations

It is Everton.

Ok ok. 2 great wins a'coming


Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
33 Posted 30/10/2023 at 12:31:33
Alli is an interesting shout. Dyche was patient with Calvert-Lewin and made sure he was fully fit before putting him into the team. He started 6 games at the end of the season before coming off at HT at Wolves – but we got 6 points from those 6 games. That made it 9 points in the last 7 games when it was 27 points in the first 29 games.

Is he doing the same with Dele and also waiting for Kevin Thelwell to re-negotiate the transfer deal with Daniel Levy? If he had fitness back (body and mind) then I would quite happily wait until February and be delighted for Dele Alli as much as EFC.

Christy Ring
37 Posted 30/10/2023 at 13:33:57
It would be massive if Dyche could turn Dele Allí around, hopefully he’s over his demons, but his injury problems don’t seem to be clearing up. Regarding Branthwaite, how many left footed English centre backs are there, at 6’5 and 21? Hopefully we’ll have him when we move into our state of the art stadium, which will add massive corporate money, and put us back where we belong 🤞
Barry Rathbone
38 Posted 30/10/2023 at 13:37:51
I think the omission of Gana, Keane and Young can't be overlooked the 3 are huge liabilities and the team looks less vulnerable when they're at home painting the front room (parlour).
Peter Moore
39 Posted 30/10/2023 at 13:40:16
Mathew Farrington, that's a great comment I concur fully. No manager is perfect. Dyche is doing an outstanding job with the resources at his disposal. He has never once moaned about the off the field shambles. Imagine if we had a Mourinho or Conti instead after Lampard.
In reality, they would have moaned their head off I believe (as they did at Tottenham, with much less to moan about!) and I believe we would have been relegated with possible financial meltdown consequentially.
The Dyche-Meister and his staff of Woan and Stone, with their quality yet no nonsense approach exactly what we need.
Long may Dyche remain in post, I hope he exceeds the time afforded to Moyes. If he is, I suspect he will prove more loyal and more committed to winning things with us than Moyes proved. I could be wrong of course. But the likes of Ancellotti also fecked off pronto when a better offer came. Dyche is made of different stuff I believe. He was loyal to Burnley. He appreciates the chance he had at our truly deep sleeping giant. He won't forget that I believe.
Good luck to him, and us.
Dale Self
40 Posted 30/10/2023 at 13:52:41
Phil 33, having an inspired Dele running that 10 space now that Duke and DCL are coming into form is tempting. However, the manager talk of mentality tells me Dyche will not risk it and has Thelwell’s support. Remember also the Gordinho bromance before things soured. I have no evidence that Dele gave Gordinho his big boots but that arc of contract talks and performance seemed strained and strange. Dele simply lacks leadership that Dyche demands of that age player (yes I heard that ‘keane’ cough).
Ian Jones
41 Posted 30/10/2023 at 13:58:20
Peter @ 39.

Can't disagree with much of your post. But...you knew that was coming. I think Moyes was fairly committed to winning things even if his methods didn't always suggest so. As for Ancelotti, to be fair to him, if I was in his position, I would have gone to Real Madrid too 😀

Also, a general comment re Dele Alli, Dyche might be the making of him. You never know until he gets tested.

Jim Lloyd
42 Posted 30/10/2023 at 14:02:41
I'll wait and see with Dele, and more importantly, I think Dyche will give him time to to see if he can find himself again. It won't be the lack of supporting him. I think a mental injury is much worse than a physical injury. It's if he can recover his love of the game that's going to be his challenge. Let's hope so, eh!


Well said Peter Moore and well said Martin Farrington.

Jim Lloyd
43 Posted 30/10/2023 at 14:18:47
And Phil (33) Agreed.
Jon Harding
44 Posted 30/10/2023 at 16:21:28
I'm a fan of Dyche — the right man in the right place at the right time. Keeping us up last season was a virtual miracle in view of what he inherited in late January.

Having said that, his lack of subs yesterday (a Dyche trait, I believe) truly exasperated me.

I'm just hoping he was keeping some fresh legs for Wednesday. I'm expecting Gana, Beto and Danjuma to all start, hopefully with the first choice, solid defence behind them – and that means Patterson, not Young.

It's a big game for our club and fans in the League Cup but it must be a massive game for Dyche personally after his long stint as Burnley manager – not that he'd ever say so in public. UTFT

Dave Williams
45 Posted 30/10/2023 at 17:05:20
It has happened slowly and quietly but we now have a young team.

Three young players in our back four and, apart from Harrison who is only 26, we have McNeil 22, Garner 22 and Onana 21(ages may be out by a year) in midfield. Up front Dom is 26.

Sean is changing us and very much for the better.

Our reserve forwards: Chermiti, Beto, Dobbin and Danjuma are also relatively young players and it is hard to see the older players like Keane and Gana being here next season. Whether we can keep our young stars is perhaps the big question…

Mike Gaynes
46 Posted 30/10/2023 at 17:30:54
Great observation, Dave #45.
Dave Cashen
47 Posted 30/10/2023 at 19:15:18
Tony Abrahams.

I wasn't overwhelmed when Dyche was appointed. I didn't have an alternative in mind. I guess like many others I was just at my wits end.

I remember reading a rather lengthy post from yourself about him. I really sat up and took notice when you told us you knew him well as a person from your playing days. You were speaking from personal knowledge of the man.

While you were not proclaiming him to be a world class coach. You did put together a list of qualities you thought he would be able to bring to this club.
He is indeed now demonstrating those qualities. We can now all see what you had already seen.

I think Dyche shows very similar values to the young David Moyes. Like Dyche, Moyes came into a club heading for the championship. He unquestionably steadied the ship, but found the next level a step too far. He stopped talking about glory and started talking about Glass ceilings.

I wanted your opinion on whether you think Dyche is a bit more than a ship steadier. We go into Bramley Moore soon and rightly or wrongly expectations will go through the roof.

Do you think we should start to view him as a bit more than a short term fire fighter ? or do you think he will be ambitious enough to aim a little higher. Someone who would be more interested in perusing success than managing expectation ?

I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I've been fascinated by some of your posts on this issue

Jim Lloyd
48 Posted 30/10/2023 at 19:53:34
Dave (47) I think Tony can give you a lot more about Sean Dyche's philosophy of football. For what it's worth, I think/hope we can keep him. We've got the outcome of the inquiry soon, and that will be a major, perhaps the major factor, on where our future lies.
I'm not sure if we know yet. whether the Stadium will belong to us, or what division we'll be in come next season.

I think if we are still in the Prem, and we can keep the players we've got, minus the few that we no longer need, we can slowly progress. Once we (hopefully) enter our new home, and we go in as a Premiership club, then I still hope/think Sean will stay, as funds are likely to still be in short supply; and I think he'll do a good job with the players we have.

If however we become an attractive club, because of our new stadium, then all bets are off. I think if that happens, new investors/ owners might come queuing up, as that Stadium will be a magnet for money. Then the demands on the club to be a success might mean something happening like Newcastle. New owners with much more funds than 777.

If we don't get the massive influx of funds, then I can see Sean Dyche and Thelwell, progressing slowly as they're doing now.

Tony Abrahams
49 Posted 30/10/2023 at 20:27:19
I hope he his given the chance Dave C, because I think he deserves it after keeping us in the premier league, when we was possibly at one of the lowest ebbs, during the club’s entire existence, mate.

I had a good chat to him at Finch-Farm, and I know he wants to do well for Everton, but he has come into an extremely difficult job, and I’m sure he would possibly want to come out and say a lot more, but it seems like he has grown to become a very sensible man, which means he his probably going to keep his council, until a lot more Evertonians, really begin to accept him as our manager.

When I look back at the Howard Kendall era, two of my favourite memories come from stories that were told around the time. My favourite is Stoke away, when the under pressure manager allegedly opened the changing room window, and told the players to just listen to the Evertonians, and my second was at half time against Bayern Munich, when he told the players to just keep doing what they had been doing, and the Glawyds St, would suck the ball into the net. (Fuck rocket science!)

I think Dyche would definitely try and manage us like this, rather than going all technical, (and not because he’s a fucking dinosaur!) but I feel he will only really grow into the job, once he knows he has definitely got the respect of the very demanding Everton crowd. (I could be wrong)

The only real criticism I have had towards Dyche, is that I sometimes don’t feel he has been pragmatic enough, but I heard we began to look like a football team, who are starting to become well drilled and trust each other yesterday, which is what I was trying to allude would happen to Steve Stone, because he had surprisingly (to me) been impressed with Alex Iwobi!

Kieran Kinsella
50 Posted 30/10/2023 at 20:40:49
"Do you think we should start to view him as a bit more than a short-term firefighter? or do you think he will be ambitious enough to aim a little higher. Someone who would be more interested in perusing success than managing expectation?"

Possible 12-point penalty on the horizon, controversial 777 takeover under review, half the squad out of contract in the summer and no money to spend. I think "short term" is not the word to use. Whether Dyche or anyone else comes in it's going to be a slow climb before we can "peruse success".

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 30/10/2023 at 20:51:20
Things can change very quickly in football, Kieran.

Reiterating what I said earlier, with the problems our club has had, I was hoping for a group who seem a lot more stable regards finances rather than this very shady-looking 777 Partners!

Laurie Hartley
52 Posted 30/10/2023 at 21:31:28
I wasn't impressed when Sean Dyche came in but he has done what was required of him. I said after the derby I think that game and the referee turned him into an Evertonian.

I hope so because maybe that is what he needs to make the step as a manager. Managers can progress like players I imagine.

Doucouré wasn't at the races against the Hammers but still nearly scored – that was a top save by their keeper. Every player can have an off day.

Branthwaite is better than Stones was at 21. He is better in the air, on the deck, just as comfortable on the ball, but most importantly, he knows when to get rid of it.

One last comment: Moshiri was in the Directors Box with Wander.

Phil Parker
53 Posted 30/10/2023 at 23:04:49
Jarrad Branthwaite. A 6'-4" version of Colin Todd.

That's the highest praise I can give him. What a player this lad could be. And Sean and his staff are doing a terrific job.

Graham Mockford
54 Posted 30/10/2023 at 23:16:06
For me, until we get a prolonged run of decent results, you can't judge if Dyche is doing any better than his predecessors.

We have taken 84 points from 86 games since Ancelotti left. I'm suspecting that is the worst run in our history. At the moment Dyche has 31 points from 27 so a marginal improvement, I guess.

On a positive note, however, there seems to be the emergence of some young players and a style of play which means we are at least hard to beat.

Oh for complaining about finishing 8th every season!

Jonathan Oppenheimer
55 Posted 31/10/2023 at 04:07:47
It's good to see people coming around to Dyche, given the many naysayers since he came on board. He certainly deserves criticism for his strange refusal to use subs or use them productively, as well as his persistence with Keane, Gana, and Young at times.

But those at times questionable decisions were made in part because he had to be a short-term firefighter since arriving, so was reluctant to take chances with youngsters or put players' health at risk. We were a complete dumpster fire when he arrived, and we started this season without a number of our best players fully fit. Now that our best 11 are fit and we're moving away from the relegation zone, the fire finally feels like it's almost out. Of course a points deduction could change all that, but for now we look alright.

I never understood the notion that Dyche lacks ambition or is a dinosaur. He's never had the tools at his disposal at Burnley or with us to aspire to anything besides survival. But what Premier League manager wouldn't want success?

Assuming we find ourselves where we belong at the end of the season, comfortably mid-table, let's judge him then on taking us to that next level in the coming years. If he gets us there, it would be crazy to think about replacing him, and crazy to think he'd jump ship. In Dyche I trust.

Tony Abrahams
56 Posted 31/10/2023 at 07:41:11
The problem imo, Graham, is that nowhere near enough people complained about us constantly coming around 6/7/8th, but what do I know.
Ken Kneale
57 Posted 31/10/2023 at 07:45:12

I think you know enough for certainly me to agree with you. The manager and the owner were in a comfort zone and for various reasons it suited both their narratives to suggest such a finishing position was a success.

What a change from John Carey's position where 5th was a failure in the eyes of the then-owner.

Jerome Shields
58 Posted 31/10/2023 at 08:02:41
Everton did play well against West Ham. Everton's defence on the right side did stand up to targeted West Ham attention.

Everton were solid through the centre with Branthwaite and Onana offering necessary cover. Mykolenko accounted for himself well.

In midfield, Doucouré was not able to do his normal box-to-box, his limited passing ability was exposed. Harrison was involved in more defensive duties and did contribute in midfield.

Both Garner and Onana played well. McNeil was below par and though Calvert-Lewin scored a great goal, he was off the edge necessary to capitalise, though he was trying more to get in position. Everton did defend corners well, but could have done better with the corners they got.

All of this was down to Dyche's work on the training ground and the constant attempts by him to improve individual player stats. Fortunately the team picks itself, because Dyche can get it wrong sometimes.

I do think that Beto needs to be kept in the mix and thought Chermiti looked good, but the ball to him was poor, particularly from McNeil.

Late substitutions are still a problem. Dyche does not seem to react to tactical opposition substitutions, only after they have scored. The first 15 minutes of the second half Achilles seems to have been tackled.

But definite progress will only be warranted by a good performance at Goodison, since we have had a recent performance like this only to find that there had been a slacking off at Finch Farm midweek.

I don't think there is a midweek match to upset the routine this time.

Jerome Shields
59 Posted 31/10/2023 at 08:16:40

They do have a game midweek unfortunately. So the game after that will be the test.

Dave Cashen
60 Posted 31/10/2023 at 10:50:10
Interesting response, Tony.

You clearly came away from your chat with the impression that, despite dragging us from the jaws of the Championship, he (and his staff?) still feel they have to win over the fanbase. That's probably true. The more false dawns, or should I say minor revivals, Evertonians see, the less likely they are to readily commit to the next guy.

Thank you for not ducking the question by catastrophizing about what might happen in the future. Opinions like that are ten a penny at the moment.

If there is a points deduction, I doubt very much that it will be as much as 12 points and, as you point out, a lot can change in a year. 777 Partners have only knocked on the door. Nobody knows what they will do, even if they are allowed to come in.

Let's cross bridges as we come to them. Stick with what we know rather than put up obstacles and arguments based on what might happen in our nightmares.

It's difficult for you to share everything you hear during these conversations, I know that… but you are the one who has the relationship with the management team. The rest of us only get to hear what they want to feed the press.

Once again, cheers.

Craig Walker
61 Posted 31/10/2023 at 13:22:19
I like Dyche and he was my first choice, after Lampard. I thought he'd get us back to basics and make us harder to beat, first and foremost. He's also done something which a few of his predecessors haven't managed to do and that is to listen to the fans.

He brought Mina back into the team in place of Keane at the crucial end of last season. This season, he has brought Branthwaite in and moved Garner more to the middle, which most fans were demanding.

If you look at Martinez, for example, he persisted with his lack of defensive responsibilities and overplaying at the back and it cost him his job.

The thing with Everton is that we are only ever 3 bad defeats away from a crisis. Dyche needs to get us winning more matches at Goodison. We seem to perform better away from home but he must turn Goodison into a fortress, again. If we do that, then we can have a decent season. If he doesn't, then I think we'll struggle.

The Luton defeat was a low point but there are signs that, when he and the team get it right (West Ham, Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth, Villa in the Carabao Cup) then we look a decent team. I still think we are weak at full-back. Mykolenko has improved but I think we are vulnerable at both full-back positions.

Daniel A Johnson
62 Posted 31/10/2023 at 19:35:39
Craig Walker @61 is spot on.

We are very weak at fullback. Patterson is still a question mark, and Coleman and Young are dinosaurs.

Mykolenko is a defensive liability who offers nothing going forward. In the last 15 minutes at West Ham, he put a howler of a header straight into the middle of our 6-yard box. Luckily Tarkowski was on hand to bail us out.

That brings us on to Tarkowski, the guy is immense and is literally the glue that holds it all together. He's easily one of the best central defenders in the country.

Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 01/11/2023 at 13:57:57
There is a question and answer session with Ian Woan and Steve Stone, that might interest you, on one of the Everton websites now Dave C, but because it costs £4, I’ve only been able to read a little bit of it mate!

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