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Dominic Calvert-Lewin could return after being withheld from the trip to Forest as a precaution given his history of soft-tissue injury problems

Updated Everton are back under the lights to face Newcastle United at Goodison Park this Thursday evening looking to turn their home form around having recorded just one Premier League win in L4 so far this season.

It was hoped that the 3-0 win over Bournemouth two months ago and the triumph over Burnley in the League Cup three weeks later would spark the Toffees into life on front of their own fans but the games against Brighton and Manchester United yielded just one point from a possible six.

Indeed, Everton’s performances in matches at Goodison against sides chasing a place in the top six has not been great but two fixtures in the space of three days against teams that are, on paper, superior outfits in the form of the Magpies and Chelsea presents the ideal opportunity to put that right.

Certainly, Saturday’s gritty 1-0 win over Nottingham Forest at the City Ground, which lifted the Blues to within two points of Luton Town in 17th place, should ensure that the players go into these two matches in the right frame of mind and with the confidence to pick up much-needed points.

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And it’s possible that Dominic Calvert-Lewin could be back in the side after missing the trip to the East Midlands with a calf complaint. The striker had been kept separate from the main group last week as the club’s medical staff nursed the problem that had flared up during the 3-0 defeat to United but he was not deemed able to face Forest last weekend.

However, while Amadou Onana is rated as "touch and go" by Dyche for the Newcastle clash with a calf injury of his own, Sean Dyche hinted at the weekend that Calvert-Lewin could make the clash with the Magpies and followed that up with more encouraging words in his press conference on Wednesday.

Assuming he does play and no other injury concerns are thrown up in the interim, DCL is likely to be the only change to the team that started against Forest, with Beto the man expected to make way to accommodate his return. That would see Idrissa Gueye and James Garner, so impressive last Saturday, continue their partnership in midfield and Ashley Young retain his place despite the return to fitness of Seamus Coleman.

Newcastle, meanwhile, come into the game with a raft of injury problems and as many as 13 members of their squad either ruled out or being assessed for their ability to play on Thursday. Anthony Gordon left Sunday’s game against Manchester United limping and complaining of tightness in his hip but it’s unlikely he would allow that to keep him out of a reunion against the club he left in fairly acrimonious circumstances last January.

But with Sandro Tonali serving a long suspension and all of Elliot Anderson, Harvey Barnes, Sven Botman, Dan Burn, Sean Longstaff, Javier Manquillo, Jacob Murphy, Matt Targett, Joe Willock and Callum Wilson ruled out, Eddie Howe’s woes were compounded by the loss to injury of goalkeeper Nick Pope at the weekend.

Despite those challenges, Newcastle remain in decent enough form, having beaten Man United in both the League Cup and Premier League as well as thumping Chelsea 4-1, overcoming leaders Arsenal at St James’s Park last month and coming within a hugely controversial VAR decision of beating Paris Saint-Germain on their own turf.

Nevertheless, their away form in general should give Everton cause for optimism. Howe’s men were beaten fairly comfortably by Bournemouth on the south coast on 11th November and so far this term their only Premier League victory on their travels was the 8-0 demolition of Sheffield United at Bramall Lane in September.

Last season’s 4-1 humbling by Newcastle on another night charged with hope and defiance during Everton’s battle against relegation was a harrowing experience and one Dyche and his players will be keen to avoid this time around.

Despite it being the same margin of victory as United’s on Merseyside 10 days ago, the Toffees are generally made of sterner stuff these days and their defence will be stronger than the one comprising Michael Keane and an out-of-position Ben Godfrey that was given such a run-around by the Magpies last March.

Once again, the first goal could be important for Everton’s chances so the manager will be hoping his side can make a strong start and make things as difficult as possible for Howe and his men.

Kick-off: 7:30pm, Thursday 7 December, 2023
Referee: Tim Robinson
VAR: David Coote
Last Time: Everton 1 - 4 Newcastle United

Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Young, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye, Garner, Harrison, McNeil, Doucouré, Calvert-Lewin

 

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Derek Knox
1 Posted 03/12/2023 at 23:28:59
Newcastle are allegedly are under-strength through injuries, so maybe a 'good time' to meet them.

Having said that Young is one yellow away from suspension, plus if Gordon shows him a clean pair of heels that could be a yellow/red through a rash tackle!

Dave Cashen
2 Posted 04/12/2023 at 08:30:43
So. Now that predictions of yellow cards for Young against Burnley, Brighton, Palace and Forest have all been shown up. We are now predicting a week in advance that he will get a yellow against Newcastle. Talk about working the law of averages.

We can all see how vulnerable Young is, but whatever happened to supporting the players the manager chooses? Players are far more likely to perform when supported and encouraged.

How ironic that the guy who was in Young's shoes last year is now being seen as a very real danger this week. Gordon "shouldn't be starting". He was "nowhere near as good as he thinks". Had "No end product", "Couldn't finish". He is now playing for a crowd who support and encourage him and he is enjoying his football and scoring for fun. That's how it works.

Criticise bad performances by all means, but this negativity and these grim predictions before a ball is kicked don't make any sense.

Jimmy Carr
3 Posted 04/12/2023 at 09:42:29
If Young gets booked against Newcastle, we've at least got Seamus to come in for his suspension now. I'd love to see him play again this season.

I can see the logic in Patterson going out on loan but our squad is thin and he may well be needed this season. But if it improves him it could be worth a shot.

Unfortunately I don't think we'd re-coup our money if Dyche decided to sell him, and we'd still need to buy another right back. Though I wouldn't rule that out either as Dyche obviously doesn't rate Patterson at this point.

The case being made for Patterson's selection in the first team becomes more comical week-by-week. Having read a number of ageist accusations towards Young that sidestep the fact that he's simply a better defender at this point in time, it seems Patterson gets a free pass now because he's not played enough times to learn how to be a right back. Lol. Presumably he has to continue making mistakes for Everton then until he's good enough? Sounds like a great plan when we're in relegation battle. Very logical.

I'm not a massive fan of Young but I support the team (not individual players) and try to understand the manager's thinking. It's not exactly rocket science to understand why Dyche doesn't select Patterson when you watch the game without blinkers on. That clean sheet against Forest might help further clarify some thinking.

Derek Knox
4 Posted 04/12/2023 at 10:50:16
Dave C, Branthwaite, Doucoure and Young are all on a 4 Yellows Tightrope !

Tarkowski is on a mere 2 or 3. :-)

Barry Hesketh
5 Posted 04/12/2023 at 11:25:06
I don't care which players are on the yellow card tightrope, or who is going to pose Everton problems, we have to start winning some home games. We are on 7 points, which works out at half a point a game over the season so far.

We can't rely on getting any points back following our appeal, so we have to win as many games as is possible between now and May, particularly on home soil.

I'm sick to death of Everton leaving Goodison mostly empty-handed in the last few years, sick of hearing the away supporters singing their victory songs at Goodison, it has to stop!

Forget the protests during the game, forget the idea of singling out particular away players for derision, because they used to play for us and have now left.

Remember to get behind the team, for the whole game, and hope they produce enough to secure the 3 points.

Concentrate on Everton and forget all of the 'noise' surrounding any fixture, until such time as we've secured our place in the Premier League for next season. Every match is a cup-tie from here on in and, like a cup-tie, it doesn't matter how it's won, so long as it ends in victory.

Paul Hewitt
6 Posted 04/12/2023 at 12:18:25
Rob,

Looking at the Newcastle team, I don't think, man for man, they are better. It's just they're better coached and have a plan.

Robert Tressell
7 Posted 04/12/2023 at 12:40:32
Paul,

I'm normally sceptical when ToffeeWebers claim the opposition is not much better player for player. But there's a good argument for that since Newcastle are missing Botman, Willock, Wilson, Barnes and Tonali.

The difference is that they have used superior players / squad to build up momentum and belief at the club - as well as Howe doing well with tactics that are not unlike Dyche's. In effect we are a season or two and about £200m behind them in our development.

Their other advantage is pace on the flanks and in forward positions. We lack that.

But I don't think we should go into the game in timid fashion - and Newcastle will find it much harder to stifle us with possession than Arsenal did. Could be fairly end to end rather than cagey / cat & mouse.

Just a shame Gordon is on their side and not ours.

Robert Tressell
8 Posted 04/12/2023 at 14:54:20
Rob, out of their fit players I think only Trippier, Guimaraes, Almiron and Joelinton would definitely get in our side (ahead of Young, Gueye, Harrison and Doucoure and except for the former two the gulf isn't massive).

Pickford is definitely better than Pope, and Tarkowski is better than Lascelles. Otherwise, it's pretty even between:

- Branthwaite and Schar
- Mykolenko and Livramento
- Garner and Longstaff
- McNeil and Gordon
- Isak and Calvert-Lewin

Should be a good game.

Paul Kossoff
9 Posted 05/12/2023 at 00:50:04
Former Manchester United and Spain goalkeeper David de Gea, 33, is open to joining Newcastle as the Magpies consider bringing in the free agent as cover for injured England stopper Nick Pope, 31.

First game? No. Clean sheet? No. Stopping the opposition getting 3 points? Now you've got it… it will be against us! And still the perfect storm persists.

Alan J Thompson
10 Posted 05/12/2023 at 05:55:10
So Patterson didn't make the No 2 shirt his own when he had the chance? And Young has?!?

If we are to send every player we buy out on loan to lower league clubs to improve, then perhaps we should consider only signing players from lower leagues — but does this include higher regarded leagues' reserve players? Or should we be asking questions of the DoF and the manager?

Although some players from lower leagues and relegated clubs are playing well – Pickford, Branthwaite, Calvert-Lewin, the Burnley boys. Indeed, who would we say are the players from the first teams of high league teams, excluding Richarlison and Gordon? Perhaps Mr Ancelotti may be the best person to ask.

Still, our aim is avoiding relegation these days albeit this could have been the breakout season had the books been in order.

Mark Andersson
11 Posted 05/12/2023 at 06:19:20
Is Eddie Howe a better coach than Dyche?

Different circumstances. Everton have been badly run for years. Newcastle deserve their time in the spotlight as it won't last… it never does with the Toon Army.

Christopher Timmins
12 Posted 05/12/2023 at 09:08:51
Eddie Howe has done a wonderful job so far at Newcastle. His impact over the past 2 years has been extraordinary.

Sean Dyche is in the job less than a year and he has also done a wonderful job.

The situation he has inherited has been more challenging than that inherited by Howe and Newcastle's finances are obviously on a much sounder footing. They were after all able to purchase one of our players last January.

Both have improved the players they inherited. To be honest, I would not swap our manager for anyone at present as he is a perfect fit for the circumstances in which we find ourselves.

James Fletcher
13 Posted 05/12/2023 at 10:56:09
Even if you just look at the players that have come in since Dyche started, you can see that he's done a great job.

The team finally looks to have all the positions covered which is weirdly something that we haven't had for a very long time.

Danny O’Neill
14 Posted 05/12/2023 at 11:56:25
Good summary, Christopher.

Dyche wasn't everyone's first choice, but is making it work with his hands literally tied behind his back.

I'm undecided with Howe. Always have been.

At Bournemouth, I labelled him the English Roberto Martinez. He obviously did a great job but then eventually faded. Newcastle is clearly a different scenario. He has better players and resources. But now has to cope with a very different expectation.

It might just be gut instinct, but I think he will be a stop-gap until something better comes along. A bit like Mark Hughes at Manchester City. Just an opinion and thought.

Let's rediscover our Goodison mojo on Thursday and beat these.

Dale Self
15 Posted 05/12/2023 at 12:32:02
I have looked at upcoming matches for those clubs around our position and we are not at a disadvantage. Only Bournemouth and Forest have obviously lighter schedules and neither club is in top form, far from it. We are set to plod forward so let's not get too excited, or should I say xGited?

We have made a turn in being able to field a second ‘11' and secure a result the way we did. No gift, no dodgy pen, just a hard-fought well-deserved 3 points. We have two capable strikers trying to find their way into some chances up front. We have a backup to Onana who is figuring out the pivot with help from Garner. Once we pair up some chemistry on the right flank with either Harrison or Garner floating right, we have enough to work through some lines and find forward passes. Players are getting information signals from their location within the system while other players are making runs that make sense.

It isn't fully worked out but you can see much less frustration in the breakdowns. That moment of negative expression is now converted into immediate response for defensive action. It is perhaps a fair target of ridicule but, if you don't have faith in the system or your mates, it gets ugly, as we have seen far too often.

If you don't believe it has drastically improved, take a moment to consider the quality of complaints. Get on board, let's fucking go. Fuck the Skunks.

David Bromwell
16 Posted 05/12/2023 at 12:47:47
Christopher @14,

What wonderful words, "I would not swap our manager for anyone" etc. Given the mess we are in, it's great to feel confident in the manager, his staff and importantly his players. But it's critical that we begin winning at home.

Maybe a tweak in formation? It seemed to me on Saturday watching Beto that Calvert-Lewin should be able to play off him? Between them, they would give most centre-backs something to think about.

Danny O’Neill
17 Posted 05/12/2023 at 13:05:16
On a random note, I wrote to the club yesterday.

With the time of year and passing of Shane Macgowan who coined the best Christmas song of all time in my opinion, I requested they play it and put his picture on the screens at one of the upcoming matches.

To their credit, they have responded. Although it's just to tell me it's being considered.

I'll be honest, I didn't know he followed Everton. Apparently when asked what his favourite thing about Liverpool was, he answer was simple.

Everton.

Here's the response and it was personal from an actual human:

Dear Daniel,

Thank you for writing to Everton Football Club and for your valued support.

I have forwarded your suggestion to the relevant departments within the club.

If you require any further help regarding this or any other matter, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Kind regards

James Hughes
18 Posted 05/12/2023 at 13:22:58
We need to be careful as we all know they are a massive club… my arse! (apologies to Rob H for stealing his line) and perennial winners of silverware. I mean it is a mere 68 years since they won the FA Cup.

I hope Dyche can get us winning at home again and return Goodison Park to the fortress it once was.

3 points to us and a crap game but they need a reminder of what they are. For some reason, they have a dislike for us and I am happy to return to the favour.

Also, if the Gordon fella plays, can we please ignore him.
COYB

Soren Moyer
19 Posted 05/12/2023 at 14:21:35
Didn't they lose 0-2 away at Bournemouth last month?

Surely, we are better than the Cherries.

Mark Andersson
20 Posted 05/12/2023 at 14:37:41
Once Dyche gets his home record as good as his away form sorted then all the negative vibes around Goodison Park will turn this group of players into a harder team to beat.

We can easily beat the drop, if we all get behind the team.

Too many negative comments on match day team selections on here sends out a negative vibe before a ball is kicked.

Pete Gunby
21 Posted 05/12/2023 at 15:20:39
Danny,

It's the only Christmas song I play year-round. Bloody difficult to sing along to, especially after a few jars.

John Williams
22 Posted 05/12/2023 at 15:49:26
Question:

Is Patterson a better right back than Jonjoe Kenny?

Mike Gaynes
23 Posted 05/12/2023 at 16:24:36
Answer:

By the end of this season, yes. No contest.

Robert Tressell
24 Posted 05/12/2023 at 20:24:13
I expect Patterson to have a very good career with us. Just needs time and games to develop.

Mark # 22, totally agree. No need for negativity. We're still on a very good run of form.

Many will roll their eyes but I think the sale of Iwobi has hurt our home form. We've lost a good one-touch footballer who could play around the opposition when we were in possession (rather than just counter attacking). Obviously not Ronaldinho but still a decent footballer and we don't have anyone else like him. Gray is also a miss as Danjuma is yet to impress.

Mike Gaynes
25 Posted 05/12/2023 at 20:53:35
Robert #26, I also liked Alex very much, but he has produced exactly one goal, zero assists in 12 league games for Fulham.

His nominal replacement, Harrison, has produced one goal (our best home goal of the season) and three assists in 8 league games for us.

Harrison's better defensively -- works just as hard and tackles MUCH better.

We pay Harrison £30,000/week less than we were paying Iwobi.

Plus we somehow got £22 million for Alex, only a few million less than we paid for him. And we haven't laid out one hot dime for Jack.

I could say more, but I have to go ice down my over-rolled eyeballs.

Robert Tressell
26 Posted 05/12/2023 at 21:22:25
I'm not saying it was a mistake to sell Iwobi, Mike. We had to sell for any number of good reasons.

I'm just observing that we don't have a player in the centre of the park who plays like Iwobi. And so we miss that style of player. Especially at home when we're trying to play on the front foot (and often struggling to do so).

Harrison is good to have and will get better I expect. But he's a different sort of player in a different position to Iwobi.

Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 05/12/2023 at 21:29:46
It’s no secret that Everton are beginning to play more like a team since Iwobi left, imo. I’ve got a lot of respect for the lad because he could have easily sat on the final year of his contract, and made himself a lot more money next summer, but he chose to help both himself and Everton instead.
Barry Hesketh
28 Posted 05/12/2023 at 21:32:28
Is Iwobi cup-tied for the upcoming League Cup tie, or didn't he play in the early rounds for Everton?
Mike Gaynes
29 Posted 05/12/2023 at 21:33:59
Robert, I'd say we can't miss what we never had. Alex spent little time in the center of the park. He spent 3/4 of his Everton career out on the touchline.

Garner's better in the center than Alex ever was. More effective in every way.

I can honestly say that until I saw him score that tap-in last weekend, I had forgotten all about Iwobi. As I say, I liked him very much, but I haven't missed him for a minute.

Danny O’Neill
30 Posted 05/12/2023 at 22:16:19
Iwobi, like a lot of recent Everton players, was an enigma. A lot of talented players thrown in the mix rather than fitting into a system.

A system we didn't have.

I often said, he seemed to confuse himself just as as much as he did his team mates and opponents.

I don't think that made him a bad player and a lot was down to what a fair few Everton players have struggled with in recent seasons.

Mismanagement and the managerial merry-go-round.

Robert Tressell
31 Posted 05/12/2023 at 22:18:30
Barkley played very well in the last 15 mins I caught of the Luton match. Very classy every time he got on the ball.

Again, the sort of player we could do with but don't have - especially for home games.

Thought Luton were excellent also. Limited but very well drilled and use their athleticism extremely well. Unlucky to lose, but good to see them and Burnley fail to pick up points again.

John Hall
32 Posted 06/12/2023 at 06:11:52
I'm loving the 'Swan Dyche' name. it gives him a strange sort of elegance
Lyndon Lloyd
Editorial Team
33 Posted 06/12/2023 at 06:24:34
Sorry to ruin the fun, John but I had to correct the typo!
Rob Hooton
34 Posted 06/12/2023 at 07:09:17
‘Swan’ Dyche might be apt - he seems cool, calm and collected; but is working his socks off to get Everton up the table!

Hope we get a much needed Goodison win tomorrow, won’t be easy.

Duncan McDine
36 Posted 06/12/2023 at 07:41:30
There once was an ugly Dycheling...
Jim Bennings
37 Posted 06/12/2023 at 08:02:53
We need to start getting this home form up and running.

Straight into these from the off with high pressing and pressure.

Danny O’Neill
38 Posted 06/12/2023 at 08:06:08
Swan Dycheling could now stick. It might divert from the fish jokes.

Sticking with the animal theme, there are two Magpies on the green outside the house. I considered sending the hounds out, but they would have gone straight for the neighbour's cat and with their hunting instinct, it's difficult to get them back.

We go in tomorrow with confidence. Forget the shit show going on around and focus on the football. We've been playing well and can get the result.

Ajay Gopal
39 Posted 06/12/2023 at 08:49:18
Iwobi was never prolific for us, and getting 22 million for him with 1 year left on his contract was like an early Christmas. If I were to ask: "Who would you prefer playing off – Calvert-Lewin, Doucoure or Iwobi?", my guess is 8 out of 10 would say Doucoure, just for his goals and popping into the box at the right time.

Doucoure does miss quite a few gilt-edged chances (Fulham and Man United games come to mind), but he also scores a lot of important goals for us. I do agree that Iwobi's passing is much better than Doucoure's but overall I am happy with having Doucoure staying back and Iwobi leaving.

Having said that, I do think a top-class playmaker could make us a much more potent attacking force. We do have 2 such players on our books, but can they ever rediscover their original talents? Only Dele and Gomes can provide the answer.

Derek Knox
40 Posted 06/12/2023 at 08:52:20
Danny @ 38, you could be on to something there, a bit of swanupmanship, though we could do with a cygneture tune too !

Swan Dyche is sticking his neck out there !

Don't get a Cob on, and Pen a reply ! :-)

Mark Dunford
41 Posted 06/12/2023 at 09:32:06
I'm another one in favour of Coleman replacing Young at right back and it will happen at some point over the next few games. Young is an experienced player whose versatility could offer much from the bench in the coming months.

I'm mystified by Patterson's inability to get a game. We need to hope that Dele and Gomes offer something at some point because I suspect Jan is going to be quieter than ever on incoming transfer front.

No doubt the appeal will introduce some sort of fudged outcome.

Ian Jones
42 Posted 06/12/2023 at 09:34:04
Barry, don't think Iwobi was involved when we played Doncaster in the earlier round so I doubt he's cup tied.
Martin Farrington
43 Posted 06/12/2023 at 09:34:07
Goodison, midweek under the lights used to be something raucous and special. Teams feared coming here. Fast forward half a decade and that premise has long since gone.
It was 100% the crowd fervour that lifted the team to put in incredible performances that ordinarily they were incapable of.

I think that is why, when the players hear our awesome away fans singing, echoing around a silenced stadium, they naturally enhance their game.

Goodison is a nervy place now. Quiet. Unerringly so. Expectant of something. Which is not how it works.
Where the fans used to provide the spark, the fans are hoping for the players to ignite them, in return for them to begin the show.

We have the world's greatest fans. No contest. But apprehension mixed with presumption is causing a falter.

Martin Farrington
44 Posted 06/12/2023 at 09:45:35
Iwobi. Gone. Better results.
Gordon. Gone. Better results.

Both were not startling.
However, under Howe, Gordon has come on leaps and bounds.
Under Silva Iwobi hasn't.

Newcastle DO have better players. There is LESS demand on Gordon. There are many others contributing to scoring, crossing, tracking etc. But he IS now doing the hard yards as well. No longer is he the only skilfull player in the side with a massive weight of expectancy upon him.

Iwobi is no different to his former self at Everton. He floats in and out of games. He rarely scores, his passing and crossing are hit and miss. Mainly miss.

I live in Spain and I have access to all PL games. I have watched both players at their clubs and I am giving my honest feedback.

John Hall
45 Posted 06/12/2023 at 09:56:39
I think you've started something with that 'Swan Dyche' typo Lyndon :)
We're living on a wing and a prayer!
Barry Hesketh
46 Posted 06/12/2023 at 10:05:18
Thanks Ian @42
I don't know why I thought he played in one of the cup-ties, getting my dates mixed up, but you are right he didn't play at Doncaster.

Brian Harrison
47 Posted 06/12/2023 at 10:05:48
I am not sure exactly when Gana Gueye joins up with Senegal for the Afcon tournament but it has to be fairly soon, and, with Dyche suggesting Onana won't be fit to face Newcastle, it could give us a big headache.

I see Gomes played for the U21s the other evening and played the planned 60 minutes, but what was really interesting is first that Paul Tait said what a class act he was.

But for me even more important was when he came off, Tait said for him to go and get a shower, but he refused and said he wanted to stay to the end to watch the lads.

He may not play for the first team again, but in his first season here he was head and shoulders above any midfield player we had.

Obviously the horrendous injury he had has had a big impact on him, but if he has 2 midfielders who could do the running his passing ability would be a very welcome addition.

I hope tomorrow isn't about having a go at Gordon, he's gone, we move on – let's just concentrate on those in Blue shirts on Thursday.

I am quietly confident of our 2nd home win of the season.

Jerome Shields
48 Posted 06/12/2023 at 10:47:28
Everton should play well against Newcastle. I still believe this team is psychologically weak. They won't put in the work if they are not facing a challenge.

After an International break, expecting the crowd to do their work for them, and up against a work-shy, like themselves, Man Utd, they thought they had only to turn up.

Against Newcastle, they know they will have to work. Also, Dyche is familiar with Eddie Howe having been neighbours in the League table for years. You can bet he will have been motivated all week.

Everton to win. Good Luck Everton.

The game is on Amazon Prime.

Mark Ryan
49 Posted 06/12/2023 at 10:58:47
Thanks for that Jerome, I was not aware of that, cheers, UTFT's
Neil Lawson
50 Posted 06/12/2023 at 14:25:34
Just in case any of you have missed it; Premier League has just concluded its investigation into the appalling behaviour of Man City players and staff, and in particular Haaland, at the end of the Spurs game. Quite rightly they have said that stringent and urgent action is required, so they have docked Everton another 5 points.

Thank you to the Arse and Wolves last night. Hopefully we can take advantage of their generosity.

Danny O’Neill
51 Posted 06/12/2023 at 14:38:57
Good luck to those watching or following be that at Goodison, online or listening. I can't do the latter. It always freaks me out.

Goodison under the lights tomorrow and then figure out getting home.

If not, my sister's, cousin's or a step back into the 1920s like The Adelphi.

Jerome Shields
52 Posted 06/12/2023 at 15:28:55
Actually I hadn't noticed that Iowbi was missing.

Watching his Wandering Angus runs, hoping that it would work out, I can do without. A 10-point deduction is enough to bear at the moment.

Brian Williams
53 Posted 06/12/2023 at 16:17:54
Jerome #52,

I have noticed Iwobi was missing.

My matchday use of the work "fuck" has dropped significantly since he left! :-)

Bill Hawker
54 Posted 06/12/2023 at 16:22:25
While I believe most of the fans are behind Sean Dyche as the manager, he certainly isn't helping himself by continuing with Ashley Young at right back.

I've seen, and I think we've all seen, enough of Patterson to know that he's unarguably the better option, both in defense and in getting forward.

Jon Harding
55 Posted 06/12/2023 at 16:56:01
Hello Brian H @ 47,

AFCON starts 13 January and goes on till 11 February. Gueye will be available for a while yet.

As for Gomes, all I can say is that every time I watch Tottenham, I hope Son will get his comeuppance but it's not happened yet.

Christy Ring
56 Posted 06/12/2023 at 20:11:37
I was delighted to see Gomes back the other night, I believe he can still do a job for us in a three man midfield. If Seamus starts tomorrow night, it's a big ask to play his first game against Gordon, especially when he's lacking match fitness, Young hasn't the pace, and maybe Patterson's is worth a gamble?
Craig Walker
57 Posted 06/12/2023 at 20:49:26
I don’t ever want to see Gomes get the wrong side of an opponent right near our box and stick out a leg, gifting them a free kick and then gesticulating. A decent player given time with the ball at his feet. Shocking when he doesn’t have it. Lovely bloke though.
Sam Hoare
58 Posted 06/12/2023 at 21:25:42
Iwobi now has 4 goals in 8 starts for Fulham. Early days but not too shabby. Gordon has 6 goals and 3 assist in 17 starts.

Maybe we're the problem?!

Both were good players who did a decent job for us and worked hard. Not sure either deserved some of the stick they got but I guess someone has to bear the brunt of the frustration. Happily the club got good money for both of them, which is more than we've managed with most players.

Mike Doyle
59 Posted 06/12/2023 at 22:07:48
Good point, Sam. John Stones got quite a bit of stick too and things haven't worked out too badly for him either.
John Raftery
60 Posted 06/12/2023 at 22:52:51
Sam (58),

As someone who frequently defended Iwobi, I think he suffered from the lack of continuity at our club. He was often used by his managers, all five of them, to plug gaps at full-back, wing-back, wide-left, wide-right, centre-midfield and even centre-forward on a couple of occasions.

In a team lacking organisation, coherence and confidence, many players struggled to shine. Iwobi performed better than most in following instructions and working hard for the team.

Mike Gaynes
61 Posted 06/12/2023 at 23:52:29
Christy #56, your use of the phrase "still do a job for us" somehow implies that he did a job for us at some point in the past.

Outside of one brilliant evening at Anfield, that's an implication I would strongly contest.

Derek Knox
62 Posted 07/12/2023 at 02:53:51
Mike G @ 61, spot on there, hardly a 'Portuguese Man Of War'!

Definitely a 'Jellyfish' of a player though, another Gravy Train Stowaway, hopefully the last of a long line of them, or should I say a 'smack'?

Jonathan Oppenheimer
63 Posted 06/12/2023 at 03:43:40
While we’re on the subject of Iwobi, Coleman and Newcastle, let us not forget what for me was the single Iwobi moment I’ll remember 10 years hence, and one of the best moments of the past few years: The goal under the lights mid-week at Goodison in the 98th minute to beat the Skunks with 10 men, after the great tackle from Seamus and after that bullshit Allan red card. For whatever it’s worth related to the conversation, Gomes and Gordon were on the pitch when that goal was scored, too.

Let’s conjure up that Iwobi, plus the one who scored twice today, along with that Goodison spirit and take it to Newcastle tomorrow. This feels like the match where we turn around our home form.

Darryl Ritchie
64 Posted 07/12/2023 at 04:15:14
Dom plays… we've got a chance.
Danny O’Neill
65 Posted 07/12/2023 at 06:15:24
I don't do team predictions. But I hope Onana is more go than touch. He may be marmite amongst the supporters, but I think we've missed him.

Calvert-Lewin would be welcome, but I'm not sure about rushing him back too early given his recent injury problems. I get the feeling he is too finely tuned physically.

We all like a 6-pack – and not the type you pick up off a supermarket shelf for a BBQ. But like a lot of modern footballers, their bodies are so physically tuned, they tend to break down at the slightest overstretch.

I will sleep all the way up on the train having sat up watching Howard's Way for the god knows how many times.

Is Sheedy fit?!!

In we go and then meeting my sister afterwards for a catch-up. Hopefully to talk about a good result. One of her sons is an Everton season ticket holder. The other two followed their Liverpool supporting father.

Once again, tonight is all about the team and players that walk out on that pitch. Whoever they are, they are playing for our Everton.

Jerome Shields
66 Posted 07/12/2023 at 08:02:51
Christy #56

My reaction to Gomes surfacing the other day was one of surprise, having forgotten about him. I then hoped he would be available to be loaned out in January.

Everton are getting results on fine margins and they can't afford the risk of
a slow motion player, who gives away free kicks in dangerous areas and who coughs up possession when his marker breaths on him.

Rob Hooton
67 Posted 07/12/2023 at 08:16:51
We might yet need the services of Gomes when Gueye is off to the AFCON, as we are so light in numbers in midfield - should Garner or Onana get injured whilst Gueye is away then we don’t really have any cover (unless we drop Duke further back and play 2 up top). Any news on Dele, as we might need him too?

I’ll miss the first half tonight as Thursday evenings I help run a youth club, really hope I want to watch the end of the second half when I get back! Newcastle are playing well despite having a whole team of players out injured, we need to get some wins at Goodison and I hope we keep creating as many chances as we have of late as we have a good chance of getting 3 points if we do.

Derek Knox
68 Posted 07/12/2023 at 08:19:10
Jerome @ 66, " a slow motion player " ?

It was down to the likes of him, that time lapse photography came into existence ! :-)

Kevin Edward
69 Posted 07/12/2023 at 08:44:47
I’m looking forward to this one.
A good chance to turn our fortunes around at Goodison and build on the great run of away days.
Newcastle have had a tough run of games recently so might be a bit short of energy for 90 mins.
Everton can set the tone early, get on the front foot and snuff them out.
Have a feeling there might be a few goals in this one.
I remember the 4:4 in the 90’s, but this time 4:3 to the blues. UTFT!
Christopher Timmins
70 Posted 07/12/2023 at 09:00:31
Goodison under the lights with the crowd right behind the team should result in one hell of a game.

Newcastle are good but they are now missing a serious level of talent in all sectors.

We can move out of the relegation zone by 9.20 this evening.

Dave Abrahams
71 Posted 07/12/2023 at 09:55:28
Sam (58),Sam what Iwobi is doing for Fulham and Gordon is doing for Newcastle doesn’t alter what they were like playing for Everton.

Iwobi frustrated Everton supporters by pulling out of tackles constantly and lack of concentration with poor passes which provided the opposition with many attacks and some goals, Everton paid over the top money for him, we will get less than half of it back.

Gordon always had very good potential which he is showing now for Newcastle, he was a different player at Everton, not fit enough and showing that potential now and again but we did get a good deal for him.

John (60) You had a lot more patience with Iwobi than me I just can’t stand shirkers on a football field and Iwobi was definitely boss as a shirker.

Laurie Hartley
72 Posted 07/12/2023 at 10:53:53
Tough game this. There will be danger from both flanks in this one.

Livramento and Gordon on the right and Trippier and Almiron on the left.

It will be interesting to see how Dyche counters that.

Nevertheless - Up the Blues!!!

John Kavanagh
73 Posted 07/12/2023 at 11:01:08
I hope we just get down to showing our away form at home for a change. The Barcodes are 'Everyone's second favourite club' according to Sky some years back. My arse.

Let's do the fat bastards - and the rotten and corrupt Premier League into the bargain. 3-1 COYB.

Danny O’Neill
74 Posted 07/12/2023 at 11:02:33
Every game is tough Laurie, but we go in fighting.

I'm not concerned about their players. If Gordon is on the right, Mykolenko can marshal him.

I'm more concerned about the performances of our own players.

We've got enough to beat them.

Christopher Timmins
75 Posted 07/12/2023 at 11:29:04
Don't worry about departed players, focus on the ones who will wear the shirt this evening. We are close enough to being a top 10 team, a win tonight and excluding the points deduction would put us on 20 points, ahead of Chelsea.

We are a competitive and a well drilled team with a high level of morale in the camp at this time.

I said it in an earlier post we can win this game, I have no doubt that we will create sufficient chances to do so, can we convert them?

Steve Brown
76 Posted 07/12/2023 at 11:43:25
4 points from the next 2 home games, then focus on Burnley away.
John Hall
77 Posted 07/12/2023 at 12:10:25
I was just thinking - our midfield is already the 'dogs of war'.
We have:
d = Doucoure
o = Onana
g = Garner or Gueye
s= Seamus

What do you think? COYB!!

Dale Self
78 Posted 07/12/2023 at 12:17:30
Well played John

And on Iwobi and Gordon I suppose the question is, would you have then back if we could afford to buy them at the fee they were sold? Me? no. They are benefiting from more open systems that require a back 5 we don’t have.

Stan Grace
79 Posted 07/12/2023 at 12:53:59
Hopefully Seamus will get a few minutes to take goals to Newcastle.

Don't worry, I've already got my coat on.

Sam Hoare
80 Posted 07/12/2023 at 13:11:48
Dave@71, no player can change the past of course but how a player performs after leaving Everton (or any club) might provide useful context for how accurate the praise or criticism for that players talents were.

Players like Stones and Lukaku went on to show that their detractors may have been over egging it whereas the modest successes of Jojoe Kenny and Kieran Dowell so far for example might suggest that calls to make them regular starters (myself included) were premature.

As you well know we disagree completely on Iwobi and I find your characterising him as 'a shirker' to be unfair given how often he ran more than anyone else. He wasn't a blood and thunder tackler type but he seldom lacked for effort.

Jim Wilson
81 Posted 07/12/2023 at 15:48:27
Would take a draw tonight. I hope Gordon has a stinker. But if he dives in the box I can see him getting the pen!
However he plays I think we should ignore him but I'm sure that is not going to happen. Hopefully nothing over the top!
Ray Roche
82 Posted 07/12/2023 at 15:50:12
I commented the other day that the away form league table have the Skunks

16th and us 5th, It’s their home form, 3rd in the home table, that has them so high in the league. Unfortunately our home position is 18th, so we’re crap at home they’re not great away, tough one to call.

Dave Abrahams
83 Posted 07/12/2023 at 16:10:28
Sam (80) I had many a go at Lukaku but always knew he could score goals, I had one good go at Stones, for dribbling in the six yard box, twice in the same game, I think Stoke City, the game in question, got a penalty from one of the dribbles and went from 3-2 down to win the game 4-3.

The above two were far superior quality to Iwobi and Gordon, I’ve explained how I feel about Gordon, I take nothing back from how I describe Iwobi, if he ran the distance of two marathons in every game he was still a shirker, there was no intent to make a proper tackle at the end of all his runs, stopping the run a yard before he got to the opposition player.

Sam you liked him, I liked him at times and praised him at times but he was still a shirker in the good times he played.

Might have a tenner on him scoring in the cup game, might be one of his good games, if you could bet on him shirking and I had the money, I’d have a fuckin’ £M on him in the same game. Stay well Sam.

Tom Bowers
85 Posted 07/12/2023 at 16:34:42
A tough game in every sense but football can be funny and anything can happen in any game.

On form the Barcodes are far superior as a team and Everton need to be fully tuned in defensively to get at least a point from this match.

Gordon is playing much better than when with Everton although he was just starting out.

Being with a more competent teams helps him and the expertise of Guimares, Almiron and the much improved Joelinton has a lot to do with it.

COYB

John Hall
86 Posted 07/12/2023 at 16:53:54
I am worried about the statistics that the last 3 midweek games we've shipped 4 goals in each one! Hopefully not again tonight!
Sam Hoare
87 Posted 07/12/2023 at 17:00:50
Thanks Dave@83; as with so many arguments (with my wife at least!) it can often come down to people having different meanings for or understanding of the same word. For me the word shirker is reserved for players who don’t show for the ball, don’t track back and don’t put in the yards. Morgan Schneiderlin for example!

But each to his or her own.

Have a good one and let’s hope there’s no shirkers tonight.

James Marshall
88 Posted 07/12/2023 at 17:13:20
You can probably make an argument for us getting a hiding tonight, though I don't think we will. I also don't think we'll beat them - that said, their away form isn't great but we're pitiful at home so toss a coin and hope for the best.

We can't keep getting twatted at home, surely.

Dave Abrahams
89 Posted 07/12/2023 at 17:14:21
Sam (87), Yes that makes sense, especially Schneiderlin, he was a double shirker, he didn’t put in the yards or track back and he didn’t care about the team either, I couldn’t say that about Iwobi.

I think all the players in the squad play for the team and want to win and although one or two can have their ability questioned they give their all, although there is one player, not a regular, who’s battling qualities could be given a good looking at!

Danny O’Neill
90 Posted 07/12/2023 at 17:41:40
Lee @84, its ts getting ridiculous.

Due to train cancellations, I've just left Crewe. I'm on the last coach from Cannon Street tonight that will get me back in the early hours for breakfast with the better half who is in a posh hotel in London for her works Christmas doo. I opted for Goodison.

These people have no consideration for supporters. 8pm at Palace for those travelling. Honestly?

The December fixtures look mind-boggling.

Anyway, let's get tonight done.

Christine Foster
93 Posted 07/12/2023 at 18:31:51
Bugger..
Gerry Quinn
94 Posted 07/12/2023 at 18:34:00
Wish it was the "Young" that I grew up adoring, Ian!
Gerry Quinn
95 Posted 07/12/2023 at 18:34:58
Christine, that is a 1 man team list there...never heard of him...
Ian Edwards
96 Posted 07/12/2023 at 18:35:42
Gerry... presumably you must mean Sandy Young that scored our winning goal in the 1906 Cup Final 😂
Geoff Lambert
97 Posted 07/12/2023 at 18:37:40
Ian #94 Was hoping it might be left off...

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