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Leeds Utd U18s 1 - 4 Everton U18s

Everton U18s travelled to Thorp Arch Grange to take on Leeds United today and came away with a handsome 4-1 win.

Coby Ebere notched three goals and made it 11 goals in eight games while Jacob-Beaumont Clark also got on the scoresheet to make it 2-0 shortly after half-time.

Harry Gray scored a consolation goal for the hosts with a quarter of an hour to go but it was the Everton youngsters' day.

Everton U18s: G Pickford, Finney (71' Lambert), O Samuels-Smith (67' Van Schoor), Davis, Thomas, J Patterson (71' Gardner), Beaumont-Clark, Foster, Sherif, Bates, Ebere (67' Catesby).

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Dave Abrahams
1 Posted 10/03/2024 at 15:37:11
I think Coby Ebere will get a game for Everton U21s this week.

Omari Benjamin, who played for Everton last week on trial, was back on the Arsenal bench yesterday and the lad from Italy hasn't been mentioned since he played a couple of weeks ago – he was signed on a 2½-year deal!

Sam Hoare
2 Posted 11/03/2024 at 10:38:08
Ebere looks useful, though he looks a bit bigger and faster than some of the lads at this age range which means it can be hard to discern what is real talent and what is a physical advantage that will diminish when others catch up.
Andrew Taylor
3 Posted 11/03/2024 at 13:20:54
An Everton player scored a hat-trick and has a record of more than a goal a game?

Can I be the first to hysterically call for the lad to get a start for the senior side???

Tony Abrahams
4 Posted 11/03/2024 at 14:19:06
I had the same feeling watching the video of the kid scoring his hat-trick, Sam, especially the way he harried and then took the ball off the Leeds defender to create the other goal.
Paul Hewitt
6 Posted 11/03/2024 at 14:26:43
Let's be honest, if we had a Rooney coming through the system now, he wouldn't make the first team.
Raymond Fox
7 Posted 11/03/2024 at 15:20:00
I beg to differ, Paul, Rooney as a kid was a Premier League quality player.

I think I know what you mean: managers – especially when they are fighting for their lives at the bottom – are very reluctant to take any chances.

James Newcombe
8 Posted 11/03/2024 at 16:11:00
Don Wright
9 Posted 11/03/2024 at 16:32:06
Sorry, lads, but some people on here are pathetic. Ebere has scored 11 in 8 games but no, he is in the U18s, so not good enough.

Well, were any of Fergie's kids good enough? Look across the Park and tell me the Devil's children are not good enough.

But we don't need him. We have got forwards who can score goals... ooh, wait a minute.

I say give the lad a chance. Can he be any worse than what we have got? I don't think so. We don't know how good the kids are because we never play them.

Robert Tressell
10 Posted 11/03/2024 at 16:41:25
James # 8.

For anyone who has actually watched our U21s, it's very hard to argue with that Echo piece. We have some decent players but no-one who looks like first-team regular.

Dobbin for example is our stand-out academy prospect but managed only 3 goals in 43 appearances for third-tier Derby last season. He's also nearly 18 months older than Garnacho and hasn't featured in the England youth set up since one of just two appearances for England U19s in October 2021.

There are loads of youth players of this sort of standard and better at every Premier League club academy and some Championship clubs. Most find their level in the 2nd and 3rd tier. Many, like Manasse Mampala, drift away altogether despite strong performances in the academy. Now 23, he has 1 appearance for Marine this season.

Since Ishe Samuels-Smith left, only Branthwaite features in the current England youth set up between U16 and U21 level. This does not bode well.

George Morgan (age 17 / Wales U17) looks a player but still only has 2 in 7 at Everton U18 level.

Comparisons to the RS are misplaced. Like Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd, they have invested heavily in their academy – and many of their players are recruited not developed.

Noticeable that Brighton and Southampton are well represented too at England youth level – also WBA, Blackburn and others.

Dave Abrahams
11 Posted 11/03/2024 at 16:57:23
Paul (5).

If Rooney was coming through now, every manager in the Premier League would go down on their knees and thank God he was with their club.

Walter Smith, a conservative sort of manager, said he'd play him in the first team if he could; the reason he couldn't was Wayne was still at school.

I understand why you're saying Rooney wouldn't get picked now but he was just impossible to leave out. I saw him v Spurs in an FA Youth Cup game when he was just turned 16, I'd heard about him for two or three years but had never seen him.

Unbelievable, he had the two or three thousand fans who were there mesmerised, never seen anything like him and he was ours: for just a couple of years…

Apologies, Paul, if you already knew all of this and you might have even been there that memorable night.

Robert Tressell
12 Posted 11/03/2024 at 17:13:25
Dave # 11,

That must have been an incredible experience. I think Branthwaite is the one player I've seen (on TV) for the academy who looked far, far too good for that level.

Before then, it hadn't really dawned on me just how low the standard was. Since then, I've concluded you have to look absolutely outstanding at that level (and youth international level too) to stand a chance (and possibly carry that sort of form into a loan too).

It's a brutal system for the many hundreds (and more) of kids who devote their life to it.

Brian Williams
13 Posted 11/03/2024 at 17:54:20
Stating the obvious here but it's warranted. There's an absolutely huge chasm between the U18s and the Premier League.

Just because a kid named Rooney was ready at 16 doesn't mean Coby Ebere is. Those advocating for him to start without knowing enough about the lad smacks of typical TW hysteria.

Easy, this football managing job, innit?

Christine Foster
14 Posted 11/03/2024 at 18:00:50
It's a telling indictment when Dyche says there is no-one ready to step up to the first team. In days past, that's exactly what the reserve team was for. Is the gulf between the Premier League and the U21s too much for any budding player, never mind the U18s?

Personally, I am a great believer that many average-looking players, once given a chance, raise their game by just playing with much higher quality players around them… but the stakes are so high that they never get that break. Rooney was exceptional as a schoolboy, Barkley too, but they are rare.

In this day of player analysts, every stat is dissected to counter by the opposition, but playing kids is an unknown and hard to deal with, that can be a benefit too, the unknown factor...

Robert Tressell
15 Posted 11/03/2024 at 18:07:39
Worth bearing in mind it's not just Dyche forming this view. It's those in charge of the England youth set up. It's also the view of those in charge of recruitment at Championship clubs who overlooked everyone apart from Warrington - who ended up not playing for Plymouth due to injury (although Wolves' Lee Cundle was a big success in the same position).

The loan system has now replaced the reserves, not the U21s.

Don Wright
16 Posted 11/03/2024 at 18:18:10
Sorry, Robert, but Foden was in the Man City academy from the age of 6, Alexander-Arnold – age 6, Curtis Jones – aged 9, Quansah – aged 5, Saka – aged 7…

And yes, I watch the U21s. You get nowhere by not giving youth a chance and quote people that do not make it. Well, that's like saying if only I actually bought that lottery ticket!

If Ebere scored one goal for the first team, it would be a better contribution than the rest of the useless lot we have now.

Oh, and were not Kenny, Dowell and Calvert-Lewin U21 World Cup winners? Time for something new because what Dyche is doing ain't working. We are 4 points away from the Championship but, like Dyche, you all seem to not try anything new! Who dares wins!!!

Dave Abrahams
17 Posted 11/03/2024 at 19:42:45
What Sean Dyche actually said was “ There are no players in the Academy ready to play in the first team now” : I stress the word now.

He also praised Branthwaite, and said Dobbin had earned the chance to play now.

I doubt many managers, no matter which league, would take a chance with young players especially those fighting a relegation battle or even at the top.

Liverpool have had to play younger players because of a raft of injuries and they have done a great job and surpassed anything that was expected of them and Man City have threw three or four into their team mostly because of injuries.

Well run clubs with money, Everton have been the complete opposite even with quite a bit to spend, mostly wasted.

Let's see what is round the corner, I'm predicting blue skies, Nothing but blue skies from now on, starting very soon.

Robert Tressell
18 Posted 11/03/2024 at 19:57:02
Don #16,

I hope Ebere has a great career. Many of my posts and articles are about how I'd love us to become an academy-led club.

My point was very specifically that the U21s are not a route to the first team. But the U18s where Ebere plays certainly can be.

The players you mentioned all largely bypassed the U21s. The top academy players all do. They are in the first-team squad by 19 – often sooner.

Garnacho (19), who made the difference on Saturday, played just 12 games at U21 level at age 17 to acclimatise after a season in U18s, age 16, and was then straight into the first-team squad.

Ebere is obviously doing really well in the U18s – but the best ones tend to be in an international youth set up (like Danns of the Liverpool). Ebere qualifies for Nigeria and Germany (possibly England too?) but no caps at any level.

I hope I am not right but I'd be surprised if our next first-team regular from the academy is older than 15 at the moment (unless we get relegated).

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