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Everton closing in on deal for Ndiaye

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Everton have reportedly reignited their long-standing interest in Idrissa Gueye's Senegal team-mate Iliman Ndiaye and are very close to completing a deal for him according to reports in France and Fabrizio Romano.

Ndiaye was strongly touted as a target of the Blues when he was at Sheffield United but nothing came of their interest and he eventually made the switch to Marseille in a €17m deal.

He played 46 times in all competitions last season but only scored four goals in what was, by some accounts, a turbulent year at the French club having registered a return of a goal every four matches during his time at Bramall Lane.

Reports in France suggested over the weekend that Everton had submitted an offer for the forward in the past few days and one Canal+ journalist who covers Marseille tweeted that Ndiaye has been looking for a house in Liverpool having already agreed to make the switch to Goodison Park.

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Now, while Sky Sports confirm the Blues' interest in the player, all three of Abdelleh Bouma of and, and Sébastian Denis and Santi Anouna, both of Foot Mercato, are reporting that an agreement has been reached between all parties believed to be for €18m with a further €2m in appearance-related add-ons.   

Romano, meanwhile, says that a deal is "at the final stages" with Marseille.

There are other Premier League clubs who have made enquiries about the Ndiaye but Everton are the only club reported so far to have lodged an official offer.

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Si Pulford
1 Posted 23/06/2024 at 00:41:33
His goal record is a bit Dwight McNeil. But every time I watched him for Sheff U he looked like he could be special.
James Flynn
2 Posted 23/06/2024 at 01:50:51
I hope not. He's terrible.
Kieran Kinsella
3 Posted 23/06/2024 at 02:16:07

Yes in one season in France he played about 10 more games than Andre Gomes did a year prior and had 3 goals and 3 assists to Gomes 3 goals and 2 assists. He’s an attacker, Gomes is not. That aside from anything else gives me cause for concern.

Gavin Johnson
4 Posted 23/06/2024 at 03:51:04
He's a player I really rated for Sheffield United. He offers attacking versatility and graft and was one of the best players in the Championship when the Blades got promoted.

Besides from playing out wide, he could be a different option to Doucoure playing off a target man.

I wouldn't write him off after one poor season in France. I'd be happy if we bought him, but I think we'll be able to get him on a loan with a buy option, so even his TW doubters should be reasonably happy then.

Jay Harris
5 Posted 23/06/2024 at 04:36:01
The squad needs bulking up a bit, after losing Gordon, Iwobi, Gray, Simms and Cannon, with players who can score goals and graft for the team.
If he is good enough he will play otherwise he is handy off the bench for not a lot of money.
Gavin Johnson
6 Posted 23/06/2024 at 04:55:11
Ndiaye is more of an attacking midfielder than anything else, so while 4 goals as an attacking midfielder last season, isn't great, it's not the worst either.
Peter Mills
7 Posted 23/06/2024 at 08:45:02
If he can re-produce his Blades’ form he would add some much-needed creativity to our team.
Sean Bennett
8 Posted 23/06/2024 at 09:40:26
The fee being quoted around £17m with negotiations according to media Saturday are close and had an opening bid rejected by OM. Could be a deal to keep eye on.

With DCL' imminent departure I would like to see a loan bid submitted to Chelsea for Rom who has no future at the club, IMO.

Lukaku is a proven goal scorer and would be perfect replacement for DCL. Thelwell would have a big task on hands with Rom's wages of £325k (which would need negotiation on Chelsea paying a big % wages)

Pat Kelly
9 Posted 23/06/2024 at 12:25:01
We need more goals.
Colin Glassar
10 Posted 23/06/2024 at 13:03:31
Isn’t he like 5ft tall?

Scrub that. He’s 5ft 11”. Read somewhere that’s he’s described as diminutive.

David Cooper
11 Posted 23/06/2024 at 16:55:28
Don’t think you get into a Sean Dyche team unless you are 6ft and an athlete! Gana excepted!
Mihir Ambardekar
12 Posted 23/06/2024 at 17:27:26
Dobbin never convinced me. He is an okay player and, if we have swapped him, it's a good business.

However, we need to get a couple of good pacy wingers.

Robert Tressell
13 Posted 23/06/2024 at 19:23:01
Not had a happy time at Marseille but he really was good at Sheff Utd and is the type of player we need. A versatile attacker rather than a striker or winger. Danjuma didn't come off last year but we have to keep trying to find this sort of player.
Billy Shears
14 Posted 23/06/2024 at 23:28:10
On loan, could prove very useful...a better player all round would be Greenwood who has done well out in Spain.

A controversial choice for sure,but is quick,can use both feet and creates chances and is still young enough too.

Nigel Munford
15 Posted 24/06/2024 at 09:38:59
Billy, why controversial??
Brian Williams
16 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:06:02
He's on his way!
Billy Shears
17 Posted 24/06/2024 at 18:21:08
No doubt he'll get dog's abuse at away grounds (especially at Mordor),with the charges he faced (although he was proven innocent).

That's was my meaning, Nigel... always rated the lad myself and could prove real useful on the right flank or even upfront.

Ian Bennett
18 Posted 24/06/2024 at 21:19:27
Supposedly loan to buy bid has been rejected.

Offer them Maupay plus cash. Get rid of one of the duds.

David Currie
19 Posted 24/06/2024 at 21:20:16
Greenwood would be a terrific signing, heard United want 30 million.
Sell Onana and Beto and at least have a go at signing him. He is a natural goal scorer.
Ian Bennett
20 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:08:00
I and probably a lot of fans would not want Greenwood anywhere near our club.

He could out score Dixie, and I'd still not want him.

Mark Murphy
21 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:12:57
I know he was found innocent of rape but weren’t there recordings of him verbally abusing and threatening his gf??
Or was that someone else?
Andy Crooks
22 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:15:44
David@ 18, I read quite a bit about Greenwood and what he got up to. It was appalling and horrifying. He is an unrepentant beast who has no place at any club with any respect for the women who support them.
Peter Mills
23 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:16:35
Below are the thoughts of my son-in-law, who follows Sheffield Utd home and away, on Ndiaye:-

“It doesn’t sound like he’s done too well at marseille and I’ve not seen him for a year but while he was at united he was possibly the best player I’ve ever seen (albeit at championship level).

He’s a very skillful, very hardworking frontman at his best next to a big man or as a 10. He’s got that knack of bouncing off people and riding a challenge and he loves a meandering dribble! A joy to watch all round IMO!”

Paul Kernot
24 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:17:25
Colin. I'm reading Pat Kevin's biography at the mo. He was diminutive to say the least but a bloody magician with ball at feet too.
Denver Daniels
25 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:17:41
Mark, I'm pretty sure his girlfriend posted a video showing her with bruises and cuts to her face.
Joe Digney
26 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:25:52
Sounds like Fabs jumped the gun on this one a little bit, according the Mr bobble hat clubs are still in talks to work out a deal and it’s not as far along as some are saying.

Would be a great signing though, some creativity playing off whoever’s upfront for us next season, creativity we’ve lacked since James.

Jim Potter
27 Posted 24/06/2024 at 22:50:01
Perhaps DCL may not find a suitor?

I'm happy if he stays and keeps fit.

I think he harbours a grudge about the attitude of some fans during his injuries and goal drought.

Get shut of Beto and get someone young (early twenties) and pacey.

Get the cash for Onana, keep Jarrad, keep Dyche and keep believing.

David Gallant
28 Posted 24/06/2024 at 23:17:22
This guy sounds a bit like Steven Pienaar. If he is even half as good I'd be delighted if we got him!
Sam Hoare
29 Posted 24/06/2024 at 23:38:34
Ndiaye for £14-15m would be a very solid signing. A really dynamic second striker who could also play on the wing or even up front in a pinch.

Only 24 so a good age and I think Marseille were just off it last season so best not to judge him too harshly on that.

Mal van Schaick
30 Posted 25/06/2024 at 08:25:19
I have been touting him since his days at Sheffield United.

He had good stats in the Championship as an attacking midfielder and it would give Everton an option to play him at the top of a diamond-shaped midfield behind the striker.

Steve Shave
31 Posted 25/06/2024 at 08:49:23
Mal me too pal, I liked him alot when at Sheff Utd and thought he could be our Gibbs-White alternative given we couldn't afford him.

A skilful and determined player who will bring much needed versatility and skill in the top half of the pitch. I'd like to see him given the no 10 role and force Doucouré to play his way into the deep positions or bench him when he is having one of his anonymous patches.

This lad can play anywhere along the front line too. Let's hope he comes and Sean Dyche has a plan to utilise him appropriately. COYB.

Brian Williams
32 Posted 25/06/2024 at 08:55:44
Ndiaye on his way further suggests to me that the reported £30m PSR "overspend" for this financial reporting year is totally OTT unless the club has an outgoing deal ready to complete within the next five days to offset this incoming deal.

5 year contract also means less to go against PSR for this year.

I doubt the club would purposely go over PSR by doing deals before June 30th and this deal looks to only add around £3-4m for this year.

Ndidi next week on a free and the window already looks like a really good one for incomings.

Ryan Holroyd
33 Posted 25/06/2024 at 09:01:30
He can sign this week and make hardly any difference to PSR for this year.
Brian Williams
34 Posted 25/06/2024 at 09:02:35

I don't think Ndiaye becomes a free agent til next week so he's contracted to Leicester til then.

Kevin Molloy
35 Posted 25/06/2024 at 10:11:10
We've had a 'Here we go!' from Fabrizio on Ndiaye.


Andrew Ellams
36 Posted 25/06/2024 at 10:19:15
Do we still need to sell somebody for big numbers by this Sunday?

All of this incoming and only Dobbin going the other way seems a bit odd.

Brian Harrison
37 Posted 25/06/2024 at 10:46:49
I just hope somebody at Everton is aware of our P&S position, the Echo reported the other day that despite selling Dobbin we will still need to sell to make sure we are compliant with P&S.

I am sure when Thelwell said some weeks back we would have to sell players, I can't believe he just meant Dobbin.

Pat Kelly
38 Posted 25/06/2024 at 10:52:40
Sky Sports also reporting fee agreed, so it seems he's on his way. Got some flair and creativity, which will be exciting to watch.

Good to see some signings early in the window.

Brian Williams
39 Posted 25/06/2024 at 11:20:50
The Echo! 🙊
Michael Lynch
40 Posted 25/06/2024 at 11:27:39
I'm up for this one. Was outstanding for Sheff U, just have to see if he can make the step up to the PL.

I'd rather have him than Danjuma for another season. I think the fans are going to like him too.

Colin Glassar
41 Posted 25/06/2024 at 11:28:12
After two separate points deductions I’m almost certain we’ve learnt our lesson
Brian Harrison
42 Posted 25/06/2024 at 11:44:06
Brian 38

Yes I know the Echo, but other papers are suggesting there are 4 or 5 teams having to sell to avoid further points deductions and they all suggest Everton are one of these sides. I actually thought when David Prentice a big blue left the Echo to be our communications spokesperson then things would be better than they were. I don't even know if he is still our communications director as I cant remember any statement from him since he has been in post.

Tom Bowers
43 Posted 25/06/2024 at 12:02:47
Just like any rumour I will believe it when it's a done deal.

We need better midfield attacking players and without them it's hard to match any opponents in the Prem.

Everton have been one of the weaker clubs in that area and I shuddered every time they lost possession in that area.

Brian Williams
44 Posted 25/06/2024 at 12:15:01
Fully agree Col I just CAN'T see us going for transfers knowing full well they'll land us another points deduction.

To me there are two scenarios here.

1) The club ISN'T/WON'T BE in breach of PSR rules after completing the Ndiaye transfer.

2) There's an outgoing transfer due to be completed before Sunday which is allowing us to make the incoming one.

There is a third, which I don't believe has any credence, but no doubt the doom mongers on here will raise, which is the club still doesn't have a clue what it's doing and will just carry on regardless

Of the two likely scenarios I'm leaning towards number one.

Sam Bowen
45 Posted 25/06/2024 at 12:43:13
One of my best mates was recently on the coaching staff at sheff Utd for a couple of years and just described him as a little magician who works his nuts off and could nutmeg a mermaid in a phone box which amused me somewhat.

In all seriousness though, he said he’s a great player and a great signing and fans will love him. That’ll do for me

Pat Kelly
46 Posted 25/06/2024 at 13:22:00
Sam, that's all fine and dandy but whatever chance you have of finding a mermaid, you can forget about finding a phone box.
Ernie Baywood
47 Posted 25/06/2024 at 13:41:20
Brian, there's a fourth... we might be consciously in breach but have decided we might as well hang for a sheep as a lamb.

Based on the last hearing it's probably only 2 or 3 points anyway. We've already been punished for a fair chunk of any losses.

Steve Brown
48 Posted 25/06/2024 at 13:47:26
4 goals in 46 games for Marseille.

He sounds like an Everton forward already.

Brian Williams
49 Posted 25/06/2024 at 14:22:24
True Ernie. I'd forgotten about that one. Having said that I hope that's not the plan.
John Keating
50 Posted 25/06/2024 at 14:47:11
Could they not agree everything but actually date the signing next week?
Eric Myles
51 Posted 25/06/2024 at 14:49:19
Does he track back to help out our defence and what's his positioning like defending corners?
Jay Harris
52 Posted 25/06/2024 at 15:46:27
That was my thought too.

Make the contract July 1st and date any money transfers after that date.

I don't think we are in a rush to sell anyone else before June 30th so I"m guessing we are now compliant following the Dobbin deal.

Paul Kossoff
53 Posted 25/06/2024 at 15:51:37
Everton are progressing in talks to sign forward Iliman Ndiaye from French side Marseille on a permanent deal.

Ndiaye, 24, scored four goals in 46 games for the club last season after joining from Sheffield United for £20m.

BBC Sport understands the two clubs are close to finding an agreement.

So I take it the two bums we bought last season that we haven't started paying the £40 million + for yet are now officially deemed as not good enough, and fuckwell has had to ask for more money to cover his fk up for buying two bums that he said were good enough. Now he wants another £20million so we can have three bums on the bench, and this idiot gets praised on here.oh mind you, I do him a disservice. He's just resigned Harrison and Young.

Anthony Dove
54 Posted 25/06/2024 at 16:02:14
Paul@52 let’s hope at least Beto and Danjuma are on the way out.
Brendan McLaughlin
55 Posted 25/06/2024 at 16:31:59
John #49

Perhaps I'm not reading your post correctly but the June 30th date isn't so important for incoming players. Even if we sign a player on June 1st only a very small percentage of his cost will appear in the 23/24 accounts. The cost of the player will be written off over the length of the contract up to a maximum of 5 years.

If we sell a player before June 30th,however, all of the sale proceeds will appear in the 23/24 accounts.

Brendan McLaughlin
56 Posted 25/06/2024 at 16:32:03
John #49

Perhaps I'm not reading your post correctly but the June 30th date isn't so important for incoming players. Even if we sign a player on June 1st only a very small percentage of his cost will appear in the 23/24 accounts. The cost of the player will be written off over the length of the contract up to a maximum of 5 years.

If we sell a player before June 30th,however, all of the sale proceeds will appear in the 23/24 accounts.

Brian Williams
57 Posted 25/06/2024 at 16:56:24
The 30th of June is VERY important for incoming players depending how close to the PSR limit we are.
Brendan McLaughlin
58 Posted 25/06/2024 at 17:48:14
Curious Brian #56


Brendan Fox
59 Posted 25/06/2024 at 17:49:51
Paul @ 52 cheer up fella, fill up that glass to at least halfway from the dregs you're currently supping FFS, talk is about getting an attacking player in early so cheer the fuck up will yer lad
John Chambers
60 Posted 25/06/2024 at 18:05:56
Anthony, Danjuma was only on loan so he's already left
Brian Williams
61 Posted 25/06/2024 at 18:24:57

Well lets say we're right on the limit for PSR.

We buy Ndiaye at the circa £18m 5 year contract being bandied about and the deal completes on the 29th of June.

We're then £3.6m over the limit for 23/24.

Or do I just not understand how this works?

Brendan McLaughlin
62 Posted 25/06/2024 at 18:58:01
Brian #60

Perhaps I'm wrong but in those circumstances the only cost for 23/24 would be 2/365ths of 3.6 million.

Ian Bennett
63 Posted 25/06/2024 at 20:34:05
Correct amortisation is charged to the p&l on a day or week basis, rather than a whole year's charge if the players been there for a short period.
Brian Williams
64 Posted 25/06/2024 at 21:40:57
Ahhhh I see. I didn't know that. So when does a short time become not a short time?
Justin Doone
65 Posted 25/06/2024 at 23:47:29
I'm also surprised we can afford 15M and without an owner who cares. Also surprised we see Ndiah as being worth it if that's all that we have to spend on players.

I'm mostly surprised at fans who think we have learnt lessons and will not get sanctioned again. I'm sure we are already awaiting further points deductions.

Mike Gaynes
66 Posted 25/06/2024 at 23:52:05
Yeah, bad season at Marseilles... but in '22-'23 he was Blades' Player of the Season with 25 goal involvements. Biggest reason they went up to the Prem.

Obviously a boatload of talent there. Seems like a proper gamble to me.

Kieran Kinsella
67 Posted 25/06/2024 at 23:59:44

So Ndiaye has reversed the old adage. It’s one thing doing it on a cold rainy night in Stoke but can he do it on a calm sunny day in the South of France? 🤔

Paul Kossoff
68 Posted 26/06/2024 at 00:28:44
Brendan 58. You wise the fk up. We bought two bums last season for £40mi+, ok with them are you? Now thelwell wants another in that along with wondering boy DCL is four.
Everything I said is true. Don't you read the posts or do you just stick a pin in one and disagree with them. Thelwell must be getting some big backhanders from these bums agents. Let's see how many your fav four score this season.
I'll be sticking my pin in your predictions.
Mike Gaynes
69 Posted 26/06/2024 at 01:24:40
Kieran, maybe the guy just has sun-sensitive skin. You must know yourself how hard it is to maintain a proper facial regimen under the Mediterranean ultraviolet rays.
Kieran Kinsella
70 Posted 26/06/2024 at 01:28:53
Paul Kossof

I’ve a good mate from Naples with strong contacts at Napoli. Most of last year they’d been looking into a deal — as champions of Italy — to replace Osmihen — had he left with Beto. So believe it or not getting him for the fee we did with nothing upfront was quite a coup. Have I been impressed with him thus far? No. But hindsight is 20/20 you’ve got to think back to the deal as viewed at the time.

As for Chermitti that deal was also nothing upfront but could rise to 13 million or so IF certain targets are met. Hopefully we end up paying that money cause if we do it means he’s a success. If he’s not then we don’t have to pay it all.

For you and I of course the sums of money are insane. But you’ve got to look at it in context. Chelsea just spent ONE BILLION POUNDS to accomplish nothing. If a one hundred million pound player at Chelsea can prove to be an expensive flop then realistically, the odds on a 20 million player making it are remote.

Mike Gaynes
71 Posted 26/06/2024 at 01:42:39
Brendan #58, FYI the guy who just told you to "wise the fk up" famously derided another Thelwell signing -- fellow named Tark something -- as a 30-year-old carthorse on ridiculous wages who had been dumped by a relegated club. So take it with a grain of salt.
Jamie Crowley
72 Posted 26/06/2024 at 01:55:46
Hang on...

Hasn't Thelwell brought in Tark, Onana (who will surely be sold for a profit?), Garner, Gueye, and McNeill?

And he jettisoned quite a few players who weren't contributing or on bloated wages I think?

Beto and Danjuma weren't terrible signings considering our finances? I still think there's a player with Chermiti, I like him. The Dobbin "swap" was shrewd.

I think Thelwell's done alright considering the incredible restrictions financially.

Someone who has time should do an article showing all of Thelwell's incomings and outgoings, the overall financial fallout of his signings and loans, etc. I'm not the guy to do that but would love to read that article.

For me, superficial analysis admittedly, Thelwell has done fine under the circumstances. I have zero issues with him.

If this kid Ndiaye shined at Sheffield and simply had a rough year moving to France, we need to be in the business of giving talent with a good work ethic and attitude a second chance.

EDIT** - Paul, I am NOT a fan of Young at all! But I like us signing him for another year. Everton desperately need veterans and consistency in the lineup. Desperately. He will drive me mad, but it's NOT a poor decision to sign him. And Harrison is a capable player and Everton have zero money to go crazy and buy some worldie player. Harrison is liked by Dyche and fits into his system. Good enough for me and especially considering we were on what? 50 points without deductions? I'll take that again next season. no where near relegation while we open our new stadium, right the ship under new ownership, and rebuild / rise from the ashes. Don't be so hard on Thelwell, dude is doing what he can and isn't doing terribly at all.

Paul Ferry
73 Posted 26/06/2024 at 04:23:25
Paul Kossoff 67: "Everything I said is true".

Does anyone mind if I just leave that up there as it is so that we can look at it from time to time, smile ruefully (with a touch of pathos), shake our heads in collective disbelief (again, with a splash of pathos), wonder at the sheer degree of self-delusion, and, because we are Evertonians when all is said and done, hope that Mr. Kossoff has good networks of support and help.

Dupont Koo
74 Posted 26/06/2024 at 04:25:54
Jamie, may I present you a membership of the #ThelwellBrigade?

Very well said on Thelwell, who has had one of his hands tied behind his back since his Day 1 on the job. IMHO, is he a world-beating DoF like Monchi at Villa? Probably not, but he has managed our squad well (making lemonades out of lemons!) and has kept a good working relationship with Dyche so far (Not every DoF can handle Dyche's stubbornness).

Steve Brown
75 Posted 26/06/2024 at 06:08:48
Us fans are often a bit binary about players - he’s good or he’s crap. Once we have passed judgement it is very hard to shake that off regardless of how the player has performed.

The same applies to players we have signed for transfer fees and the clubs they have come from. A forward signed from Udinese or Sporting Lisbon is destined to come good, while home-grown youngsters are written off or sold before they have been given any sort of run in the team.

Over the last week, I have seen posts saying Beto was good in Italy, so may come good in England. There has been zero evidence of that in his performances. He has been dreadful.

Equally, Chermiti has shown glimpses of greater potential than Simms, Cannon and Dobbin? I would love to know which games he showed this as I watched them all and respectfully disagree. He may improve, he may not - but he is certainly no better than Ellis, Tom or Lewis at this point in time. Let’s be honest, these three players were sold as their transfer fees benefit our PSR position in that season while the cost of Beto and Chermiti can be amortised over the period of their contract.

Making these decisions is the ultimate definition of short-termism.

Now we should be pleased if we sign Ndiaye as he had a good season in the Championship with Shef Utd (let’s coveniently forget his dreadful season in Ligue 1 with Marseilles). And he will be a suitable replacement for DCL, a quality and seasoned premier league striker? I respectfully disagree.

Thelwell is doing what he needs to do because of the financial constraints and demands of PSR, but little of it has to do with football logic, and I am sure a number of the transfer decisions would be different if we were a stable and well-run club.

Mike Gaynes
76 Posted 26/06/2024 at 06:44:03
Steve #74, let's not stretch too much to make a point. NOBODY is considering Ndiaye a replacement for DCL (who does not appear to be leaving right now anyway) but, if anybody, for Maupay. He's a smaller, more skillful type player, not a big strong one like Dom.

And whether one chooses to ignore Ndiaye's bad season in France or his great one in the Championship, like whether to ignore Beto's two good seasons in Italy or his bad one in England, it's still an exercise in selective memory either way. One can choose to be an optimist or a pessimist. One can choose to trust or distrust Thelwell's judgement.

I trust it. I think he's done a terrific job under impossible circumstances and deserves great credit for our survival. He hasn't been perfect on his calls, but he's been pretty damned good in my book. And yes, of course, many of his decisions would likely have been very different if he weren't trying to pick up the pieces of some train wreck management. But obviously if Everton had been a stable and well-run club we wouldn't be having these conversations. Hopefully stability is happening now.

Robert Tressell
77 Posted 26/06/2024 at 08:02:35
I like your daft posts Paul. No harm in a bit of fun. Keep them coming
Derek Knox
78 Posted 26/06/2024 at 08:47:44
Robert, aye we need a bit of humour on here, to lighten the tone. Although it is a serious football fanzone, some do take it far too personal, and believe the end of the world is nigh at times. We are all entitled to comments, but as I say some are just over the top. I usually skip them, and move on, No names, No pack-drill Sergeant ! Don't tell them your name Pike !
Brendan Fox
79 Posted 26/06/2024 at 10:52:51
Paul Kossoff @ 67 you're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't make it a fact does it now chief.

Beto and Chermiti joined the club with no initial layout as the club are skint and on our arse so in my opinion that's incredibly good negotiation from Thelwell.

Players coming from an overseas league will need time to settle in the PL or do you not think that is the case?

Many foreign players coming from overseas leagues do struggle to adapt to the pace and style of the PL and Beto and Chermiti should be given a chance of a pre-season and 2nd season before judgements are made as to whether they are bums or not, it's your prerogative to disagree or agree with this but I would say that's giving them a fair crack of the whip.

Colin Glassar
80 Posted 26/06/2024 at 10:55:08
Beto to Fenerbache? Doing the rounds on X aka twatter.
Sam Hoare
81 Posted 26/06/2024 at 13:53:02
NDiaye doing his medical today so can hopefully expect the announcement soon.

Really promising signing I think who will bring us some real creativity and ability to change the game suddenly at the 10m position. We've not had that since James or Sigurdsson, and neither of them could beat a man as easily as Ndiaye can.

Watching his clips reminds me a little bit of Kevin Mirallas but I don't think Dyche would be signing him unless he had a better work ethic than the mercurial Belgian!

Exited to see him, hopefully playing in the 10 position with Doucoure at 8 (his preferred position) arriving late. Just need a starting RB and a pacy winger at RW and we might have some real balance to this team.

Brian Williams
82 Posted 26/06/2024 at 14:07:51
Ndidi to follow soon I think.

And if asked whether he'll make a difference in our midfield I'd say.

Indeed he will.

Ah thangyouuuuu.

Tony Abrahams
83 Posted 26/06/2024 at 14:25:07
English football suits some players a lot more than continental football, with the biggest contradiction being that it can often suit the skillful players, performing in the frantic Premier League.
Kieran Kinsella
84 Posted 26/06/2024 at 14:28:56

You're right. Remember Bergkamp? Non-entity in Italy, brilliant in England and highly skillful.

Robert Tressell
85 Posted 26/06/2024 at 14:59:27
I think it's also fair to say that certain systems suits players too - but they get lost in different systems. Ndiaye well might slot in nicely behind the lone front man in our (broadly) 4-4-1-1.

Bergkamp, whom you mention Kieran, was acknowledged as being an excellent talent in Italy - but he was squeezed uncomfortably into a 3 man attack with Darko Pancev and Alvaro Recoba and it didn't work at all (I think the whole Inter side at that time was a collection of quality players rather than a "team"). His role at Arsenal was much closer to his role at Ajax – and he was magnificent.

Ian Bennett
86 Posted 26/06/2024 at 15:25:54
Beto linked with fenerbache for £16m.

Don't suppose you can take Maupay with you? Asking for a friend...

Dale Self
87 Posted 26/06/2024 at 15:53:39
Ndidi text you to let you know Brian?
Steve Brown
88 Posted 26/06/2024 at 15:58:18
Mike, I have read a number of posts on TW that did assume Ndiaye woud be a replacement for DCL.

Also, I don’t think we can ignore the fact that Ndiaye seemed comfortable in the Championship but struggled at a higher level in Ligue 1? Dyche only ever plays one man up front, so I assume he will feature as an attacking midfielder.

if Ndiaye is not a replacement for DCL, that leaves Beto and your favourite rookie Chermiti. Either one weakens us as a replacement for Dominic. Rumour is that Beto may leave after one season (at a loss) and the best outcome for Chermiti is that he secures a loan to try to develop his game, so the answer may be neither.

I don’t necessarily blame Thelwell for this, as he has had no transfer funds and fiendish PSR challenges. But our transfer dealings over the last 3 years have weakened the squad and I doubt this will not change this summer.

If we were progressing, we wouldn’t be resigning Harrison, Coleman or Young. Nor would we be contemplating the loss of DCL, Onana and/or Branthwaite with their replacements in Ndiaye, Iroegbunam and, for example, Jacob Greaves. It isn’t a matter of optimism or pessimism, simply logic and reality.

I suggested putting up a statue of Sean Dyche last season if he kept us up given the challenges he faced. If he can get a squad without DCL, Onana and Branthwaite to perform better with these replacements, then I suggest we name the new stadium after him.

Ian Bennett
89 Posted 26/06/2024 at 16:08:47
Ndiaye plays in the doucoure role behind the striker. He might get shunted out wide, but he scored his goals behind strikers not dissimilar to Calvert-Lewin.
Dale Self
90 Posted 26/06/2024 at 16:11:42
Steve, how is Beto leaving at a loss?

And Ndiaye is a forward not an out-and-out striker.

Steve Brown
91 Posted 26/06/2024 at 16:20:55
Dale, how does a forward who is not an out and out striker fit in Dyche’s system?

I am not sure where Ndiaye will play. Replacement for Doucoure, Harrison? Dyche will not play a second striker or a front three.

We signed Beto for £25.7 million and are rumoured to be ready to sell him to Fernebache for £16 million.

Sam Hoare
92 Posted 26/06/2024 at 16:36:51
Steve, I expect Ndiaye will play in the Doucoure role with Doucoure dropping further back (and replacing Onana?). He has the versatility to play wide as well (as he did at Marseilles, where he managed a goal or assist every 270 minutes from open play which is not too shabby).

Doucoure spent alot of last season playing somewhere between second striker and AMC and this will suit Ndiaye to a tee. Hopefully we would not be spending £15m without Thelwell and Dyche having had detailed chats about where Ndiaye plays and fits in.

I think he could prove very popular.

Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 26/06/2024 at 17:06:56
Steve #87, Ndiaye was the best player on a promoted Championship side, and he would certainly have been a starter for Blades last season in the Premier League, so I'd say that makes him de facto a Prem player. But as I said you can choose to ignore whichever season you wish.

Also worth noting that with Sheffield he slotted in behind the striker (usually McBurnie), but Marseilles played him mostly on the wings. Maybe that doesn't suit him, I don't know... never saw him play last season. But as for your assertion that Dyche doesn't play a second striker, he certainly does when the situation warrants, and it's Doucoure. Maybe he plugs Ndiaye into his natural position there and pulls Duke further back.***

But I guarantee you that Thelwell and Dyche have something very specific in mind for the player. Their judgment has been pretty good so far.

*** ...which is pretty much what Sam just posted while I was laboring through my post.

Sam, please don't sue me for copyright infringement.

Ian Bennett
94 Posted 26/06/2024 at 17:15:03
Jury is still out on Kevin Thewell. It's been a basket case of a club, selling its best players. But he has bought some duds as well.
Sam Hoare
95 Posted 26/06/2024 at 17:56:46
Mike, ha! No promises.
Kevin Molloy
96 Posted 26/06/2024 at 18:05:56
I'm not sure about this one. If you're gonna play the Doocoure role, what's his most important attribute? Popping it in the onion bag.

And I've seen this lad sky an awful lot of shots. He's pretty unproven at the top level, still Dyche knows what he's doing, let's hope it all works out.

Tony Abrahams
97 Posted 26/06/2024 at 18:08:07
Dennis Bergkamp is definitely one of the most natural footballers I've ever watched in the flesh, Kieran, he played like he had eyes in the back of his neck.

I'm thinking about players like Coutinho, who played for Liverpool, who you would expect to excel more on the continent, but English football does seem to suit the players who have got good movement and a good first touch.

Brian Williams
98 Posted 26/06/2024 at 18:43:21
Listen ffs. We ALL moaned like fuck about lack of creativity last season.
We've now (but for the official announcement) signed two midfielders with attacking and creative skills.
Next week we're more than likely to sign a further midfielder.
The powers that be seem to have seen things as we've seen 'em.
Just try, really hard, to maybe see a positive going forward.
Martin Reppion
99 Posted 27/06/2024 at 10:07:41
What Brian Said...

Gomes, Onana (Probably), Dobbin, out.
Ndiayi, Iroegbunam, Ndidi, in.
Almost certainly at a profit in fees and (maybe) salaries.

That is a step forward in my eyes.

Those who predicted a fire sale have so far been proved wrong.

We still need to find a winger with pace, a couple of, ideally young, defenders, and replace anyone else who leaves. But for the first time in a while I am not worried about the transfer situation. I have a sneaking feeling that Thelwell and Dyche actually know what they are doing.

Mark Murphy
100 Posted 27/06/2024 at 10:22:38
Where has this Ndidi rumour come from?
Any truth in it??
Laurie Hartley
101 Posted 27/06/2024 at 11:36:22
Martin # 98 - “ We still need to find a winger with pace” - couldn’t agree more. Apparently we are still in with a show for this young player:-

Yankuba Minteh

I really like the cut of him and hope we can get him.

Mark Taylor
102 Posted 27/06/2024 at 11:40:51
We do seem to have a strategy of sorts.

First, we have Onana, Garner and Gana.

Now we have Ndidi and Ndiaye. I gather Newcastle have a promising young striker called Ndiweni, maybe we can get him as part exchange in the Calvert-Lewin deal and we'll have another treble...

Martin Reppion
104 Posted 27/06/2024 at 11:49:11
Mark, that policy was successful in the '80s... Steven, Stephens, Sheedy.

Not to mention building a team around Kevins. (Where are all the Kevins now?)

Mark Taylor
105 Posted 27/06/2024 at 13:23:30

I think they have become DoF's

James Marshall
106 Posted 27/06/2024 at 14:17:23
Reports now suggesting Ndidi has signed a new contract at Leicester so looks like we can forget about him.

I'd never heard of Ndiaye until a few days ago, so he's probably a brilliant player.

Ndidi. Ndiaye. Ndunno.

Brian Williams
107 Posted 27/06/2024 at 18:06:40
Billy Shears
108 Posted 28/06/2024 at 20:45:48
According to some on the web... he's having his medical today!?

Business is brisk it would seem at Goodison these days... good news!

Ben King
109 Posted 29/06/2024 at 22:24:21
Has this chap signed for us as yet or not? Do we risk being usurped on this transfer?

What's stopping us from getting this done?

Brian Williams
110 Posted 29/06/2024 at 22:31:37
Waiting until 1 July at least for PSR reasons, Ben.
Mike Allison
111 Posted 02/07/2024 at 22:06:24
Does anyone know anything here? The PSR deadline came and went, he’s apparently been ‘ready to sign’ for about a week and still there’s nothing.
Brian Williams
112 Posted 02/07/2024 at 22:12:01
Patience Mike. 😉
Tom Bowers
113 Posted 02/07/2024 at 22:42:45
Lots to happen yet. Irons in the fire getting hot.

May be some surprises to come.

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