Season › 2024-25 › General Forum Premier League — Matchweek 17 By Michael Kenrick 21/12/2024 72 Comments [Jump to last] Half-way through the crazy December fixture list, with a return to more conventional live coverage of only 4 games on TV in the UK this weekend: Saturday 21 December 202412:30 Aston Villa v Manchester City — TNT Sports 117:30 Crystal Palace v Arsenal — Sky Sports Sunday 22 December 202414:00 Fulham v Southampton — Sky Sports16:30 Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool — Sky Sports Reader Comments (72) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Jim Bennings 1 Posted 21/12/2024 at 12:51:55 City are at it already lol John Keating 3 Posted 21/12/2024 at 12:52:36 Wish we had City last couple of weeks Rob Halligan 4 Posted 21/12/2024 at 13:54:23 Villa 2-0. City ripped open.Hope theres no new manager bounce when we play city on Boxing Day. 😁😁😁 Ray Roche 5 Posted 21/12/2024 at 13:55:42 Rob, Villa are excellent today. Deserve to be two up. John Keating 6 Posted 21/12/2024 at 13:57:30 Wow City are all over the placeTheir supporters, Pep and the players will be so glad theyre playing us next week to get back on trackThe team that just keep giving Steve Brown 7 Posted 21/12/2024 at 13:57:50 Morgan Rogers, signed for £8 million. Andrew Grey 8 Posted 21/12/2024 at 13:59:47 John Keating -6Yep! Rob Halligan 9 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:02:56 John # 6……Nope! Bill Gall 10 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:04:04 This is a good performance from Villa the only negative is it will give more incentive to Chelsea to get a result today.But Man City's poor form is bound to change – and you don't need a second guess to know who it will be against. Brian Williams 11 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:05:18 That's right John, keep the faith.Got us beaten almost a week before we kick off. Rob Halligan 12 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:06:56 Bill, Im guessing their game against Leicester next Sunday. Michael Kenrick 13 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:10:12 Pep is not gonna like it next week when he sees our marauding midfield surge through the lines to feed our lethal striker who can hit the ball goalward early and true with consummate power and unerring accuracy.Oh… hang on a minute… Something not quite right there. Egg-nog overload! Brian Williams 14 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:15:41 Shut up, Michael, unless you wanna sleep with the fishes. 🐟🐠🐡 Rob Halligan 15 Posted 21/12/2024 at 14:16:25 😂😂😂😂 Rob Halligan 16 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:06:26 Skunk maggots score after 25 seconds. Goal given over three minutes later after a lengthy VAR check. Jim Bennings 17 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:30:16 The league is over for Man City now.The only thing about Boxing Day is if they turn in a performance out of anger and frustration but Pep will obviously have all eyes on the Champions League now. Rob Halligan 18 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:34:57 2-0. Skunks. John Keating 19 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:40:59 Brian @11,After 70 years, I've seen it all.Last few years have we not seen teams in the shit turn us over??? I give you Southampton a few weeks ago. Brian Williams 20 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:44:56 And I'll give you Arsenal last week. 😉 Jim Bennings 21 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:45:15 Forest absolutely flying under Nuno.In hindsight, maybe his appointment in 2021 would have seen Everton in a different place by now?Instead of that, Moshiri made probably his last final two errors appointing Rafa and Lampard. Paul Hewitt 22 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:47:34 Jim, I don't even think the Forest squad is that much better than ours. But they have pace and a plan on how to play. Paul Hewitt 23 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:49:33 3-0 Newcastle Brian Williams 24 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:50:33 Skunks doing us a big favour! Rob Halligan 25 Posted 21/12/2024 at 15:51:19 John, Spurs turned Man City over 4-0 at The Etihad. The week before, they were beaten at home by Ipswich, who at the moment are 3-0 down to the skunks. Previous results against teams have no bearings whatsoever on games coming up against those same teams. We can get a result at The Etihad on Boxing Day. As Brian says, most expected Arsenal to turn us over easily enough. They never… and at the moment are playing far better than Man City. Paul Tran 26 Posted 21/12/2024 at 16:07:13 Yes, Paul. More depth, plus pace and a striker scoring goals. Bill Gall 27 Posted 21/12/2024 at 16:13:33 Brighton go ahead — after the usual VAR check. Rob Halligan 28 Posted 21/12/2024 at 16:17:12 For fuck's sake, a hat-trick for Isak, after me telling Ferry to pick him as captain for his fantasy football team. 😡😡😡 Paul Hewitt 29 Posted 21/12/2024 at 16:17:18 West Ham losing, which is good. Brian Williams 30 Posted 21/12/2024 at 16:19:41 Haha. The young lad doing the "wanker" gesture to Isak is gonna be in trouble with his mum if she sees that. 🤣 Joe McMahon 31 Posted 21/12/2024 at 16:24:19 Paul @22, I assume you've seen Everton's sorry excuse for strikers? Although Beto admittedly not given much chance by our tactical genius manager. James Hughes 32 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:00:48 I wonder if Wolves will keep their players in line tomorrow. How they weren't charged last week after Cunha ripped the glasses of the official and another player had to be forcibly restrained and carried off the pitch. I doubt they would have been so lenient with us. Paul Ferry 33 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:44:13 Forest's first team is far better than ours, Paul (Hewitt). Much better full-backs, speed out wide, and a proper centre-forward who gets top service.Why – Raya – do fucking goalies do that; a straight pass inside the box??? Paul Ferry 34 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:45:09 We don't need Palace to pick up points – shite! Paul Ferry 35 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:46:24 Cue palace plastic Chav fans… Paul Ferry 36 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:49:57 Jesus 5 in 2 v Palace in 72 hours… Mark Murphy 37 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:53:42 I don't mind Palace. I live in the middle of them and palace and the Brighton fans are a pain in the arse. They act like the RS but without the trophies to back it. I've been to Palace with Everton and as a neutral and never had any issues. The Prince George at Palace is one of my favourite away pubs and the ginger Irish Landlady knows me by name. Shithole ground but far better day out than the Amex.Brighton fans taunt Palace with “mind the gap” every season but prematurely. I'd actually enjoy it if Palace reel them in again.The only think that grinds my gears with Palace is that fucking drum, their stupid postcode chant, and their “ultra” flags, but to be fair, they back their team!Anyway, only one team for me… Liam Mogan 38 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:55:12 Cracking game this. Oh for some entertainment at Goodison Park tomorrow! Paul Ferry 39 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:56:45 Fucking hate Palace. Plastic everything. Croydon is the shithole of the universe. Vape capital. Worst chavs in the world. Fuckers forced Southgate on us. Living in Croydon or Brighton. Hmmmm. That's a tough one. Paul Ferry 40 Posted 21/12/2024 at 17:59:48 Arsenal doing their best to fuck up my FPL Saturday. Joe McMahon 41 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:02:56 Paul, have you had a couple of sherberts, you seem very opinionated tonight. I have family in Croydon, they certainly don't do vapes and are not Chavs. Mark Murphy 42 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:06:22 On Croydon, I work in Tourism (villa holidays) in Spain and one of my agents and friends is a Barca fan from Menorca who married a Croydon girl. They were over here visiting the in-laws and I met him for a steak and drinks in Croydon. There were girls brawling in the gutters and marauding gangs of shithouses looking for trouble and it was a Tuesday night. I've had less scary nights in St Helens on blood Friday (topical eh?).My amigo was horrified. He'd never experienced chav culture before and refuses to visit Croydon again.Still prefer Palace to Brighton though — Brighton fans are like Geordies — deluded cunts. Paul Ferry 43 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:08:04 No Joe. It's noon here. Sorry, I hate Croydon but absolutely nothing will change that. Fucking fake leather chav hell on earth. I'll go with Mark, Joe. That's the Croydon I know. Along with the Heathrow spivs. Joe McMahon 44 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:09:10 Mark, have to been to Manchester recently? It never used to be as bad as it it now, it's grim. Paul Ferry 45 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:10:17 I suppose Salford Quays is not Manchester. Mark Murphy 46 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:14:55 Last time I went to Manchester, Joe, I had a telly thrown at me from a block of flats. On the way to Maine Road.I've not been to the new place. Every town has its cunts. Leeds for example, is great for a night out but shit for away games. Same with Nottingham, Leicester, Sheffield, Bristol, especially Bristol… Portsmouth is shitty too on match days. To be fair, I've heard many horror stories from friends who went to Goodison in the 70s supporting other teams… Paul Ferry 47 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:18:48 Mark, Leicester is not great for a night out mate. I lived there for my sins. Purgatory seems better for this pope-lover.Those streets around Maine Road were fucking awful. One gang, the Alley Boys, all wore finest leather if they could afford it. Tooled up to the max. Mams with hairnets on and fag in mouth urging them on from the outside bogs. Mark Murphy 48 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:24:30 I'm watching this game in a tiny pub on the Welsh border near Hereford. We're visiting my in-laws and I told my wife, 2 hours ago, I'm nipping to the shop for wine.Just now a local walked in with a twin pack of lightbulbs. This isn't a joke… His mate said “I see you've bought some lightbulbs, Dave, what's that about then boyo?” Dave replied “One of my bulbs has blown in the kitchen.” “Why've you bought two then Dave?”“They were on offer.”“Good shout!”The nights must fly by…. Paul Ferry 49 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:26:23 Get the fuck out of there, Mark, those inbreds can turn in a second. Take yourself off to Ludlow. Boss place. I know the fella who lives in the old 16th-century on top of and each side of the one intact medieval gate. Mark Murphy 50 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:30:13 Place called Kington, Paul, near Leominster. I was in the local footy club when Saint (but he's shit now) Doucoure scored to keep us up two seasons ago.There's a bunch of lads in here on a pub crawl. There's 3 pubs. I can't imagine life like that. Brent Stephens 51 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:38:19 Mark, "Last time I went to Manchester Joe, I had a telly thrown at me from a block of flats."Black and white or colour, Mark? Paul Ferry 52 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:53:11 You know the answer to that one, Brent. Highest quality colour set. Always the case in Mosside. Leominster is nice, Mark. Town has excellent 16th and 17th Century record,s unlike fecking Ludlow. Grange Hall, the old market hall, is a gorgeous building. I think I have a colour plate of it in my latest bestseller. Joe McMahon 53 Posted 21/12/2024 at 18:59:54 Paul, talking of Maine Road, we all remember that Ginnel. I would imagine in '70s and '80s derby day, it would have been carnage. Paul Ferry 54 Posted 21/12/2024 at 19:05:30 That Bryan Hamilton/Clive Thomas semi v the shite at Maine Road in 1977, Joe, was murder after with City everywhere. Like the old Baseball ground, alleys all around and their lads knew them like the back of their four-finger hands. City Away was way tougher than Old Trafford. Mike Gaynes 55 Posted 21/12/2024 at 19:34:54 Guess we don't have to worry about Saints suddenly sprinting up the table. New manager is Juric. Just sacked after 12 games at Roma. Years of unbroken mediocrity at Torino and Genoa. So many successful managers on the beach and they hire him? What the fuck??? Mark Murphy 56 Posted 21/12/2024 at 19:38:02 I was there, Paul, but don't remember the City fans. There were that many of us. (As in “them” and us.) I shared a car with three blues and two reds. Those reds were very quiet on the way back.That Welsh twat hurt us almost as much as Heysel. I hate Reece-Mogg almost as much for his likeness to that cunt as I do for his effete twattery and I've never liked Mr Bean for the same reason. The only defence for VAR I can think of is that non-decision. Mark Murphy 57 Posted 21/12/2024 at 19:50:03 Palace 1, Arsenal 5.Our result last week looking even better.I'm torn between grudgingly giving Dyche credit and wishing him gone but all those people who admire fluid attacking footy with limited squads need to maybe reel it in. There's a time and place for the adventurous stuff and we're not there yet.Counterpunch tomorrow and we can get a result… UTFT Paul Ferry 58 Posted 21/12/2024 at 20:40:46 "... torn between grudgingly giving Dyche credit and wishing him gone."I think that a lot of us feel the same, Mark, just waiting for direction from the new fellas. Dyche seems to think that he will still be around, judging by what he said after his meeting with Marc Watts.We went to Maine Road that day on the open back of a little lorry, Mark.https://www.ebay.com/itm/275407138202 Mark Murphy 59 Posted 21/12/2024 at 22:02:09 Don't know if you're taking the piss there, Paul, but I think we were in my red mate's Hillman Avenger. In those days we went to blues games either in my scouse mate's dad's Ford Transit, his Austin Maxi or my Viva. The long aways I went on the Blue Streak on my own as my “proper blue” scouse mate didn't do them. - Ipswich, Southampton, Wolves, boro etc,I travelled everywhere in the barren '70s watching us and still get told to Fuck off and support Man Utd cos my accent's not quite right. Bit pissed, sorry.UTFT Paul Ferry 60 Posted 21/12/2024 at 22:19:10 Not taking the piss mate, back of the lorry was cool bombing down the East Lancs. I never went on the Blue Streak, not once, did the special a fair amount before always doing the 'ordinary' in designer gear!Don't know if I can be arsed about this Fury/Usyk thing. I got it on a not-very-legal Sky Box Office stream. Suppose, I'll watch, otherwise it's having to read for journal review an article comparing prosecuting petty crime in 16th and 17th Century Frankfurt and Bristol!!!Eye of the fecking tiger Dave Abrahams 61 Posted 21/12/2024 at 23:33:53 Tyson Fury loses again 116to 112 on all three judges score cards. Tony Abrahams 62 Posted 21/12/2024 at 23:38:06 The fight got switched off on me Dave so I had to revert to the radio, and the radio would probably make even Joe Bugner, sound exciting. Most people had it down as a draw, but what an incredible athlete, boxer and champion, Usyk, is. As easy as abc, for a man who has dedicated his whole life to the sport 🙏 Colin Glassar 63 Posted 21/12/2024 at 23:47:04 Great fight. Usyk by two rounds imo. Liam Mogan 64 Posted 21/12/2024 at 23:49:43 Usyk won fairly. Close fight but Fury didn't throw enough with his right hand. Dave Abrahams 65 Posted 21/12/2024 at 23:49:45 Tony (62), Tony when I used to listen to fights on the wireless years ago I learned from a pro fighter to listen to the crowd not the ringside reporters, the crowd roars told you which way the fight was going.I thought Fury needed a KO from the ninth round onwards, he had a good go, didnt let himself down but never got on the front foot enough, maybe Dyche has been having a word in his ear! John Keating 66 Posted 22/12/2024 at 00:27:17 Check tomorrow before travellingIts getting windy and forecast to increase Paul Ferry 67 Posted 22/12/2024 at 00:28:25 116-112x3 doesn't lie. Must confess that I can't stand Fury, not after all the embarrassing crap he was doing in the last fight. Tosser! Fair dos, thought, getting in the ring with Usyk twice. I pass out looking at him on the screen. He'd even batter the cybermen. Tony Abrahams 68 Posted 22/12/2024 at 11:27:35 Getting on the front foot and imposing yourself is what it's all about in any sport.I hope Everton impose themselves today, even though it won't always be possible to play on the front foot.I just hope we impose ourselves today! Neil Lawson 69 Posted 22/12/2024 at 17:08:29 Currently watching the Redshite whilst Mrs L prepares an evening feast. I have to watch with the sound off because the Redshite love-in of all concerned really does want to make you spit and vomit. Mrs L would not be happy. Apparently the bloke who has the same name as a river (wish there was a river Knobhead somewhere) is the best crosser of a ball in the world, ever. Dave Thomas anyone? Paul Ferry 70 Posted 22/12/2024 at 18:08:39 'kin hell. these twats keep on winning. Spurs are a fecking joke of a club. Roller-coaster footy. I don't see how Bruce can keep his job. Him and the Sheila will be heading back down under soon. I don't like the "I take no shit, say it as it is" twat. His voice is Dychey. Ughhhh! Paul Ferry 71 Posted 22/12/2024 at 18:21:48 First time in 16 years that both Spurs and Man Utd are in the bottom half of the table when Santa comes calling. Ho, Ho, Ho! Fred Quick 72 Posted 22/12/2024 at 18:37:29 Paul @70,The most galling thing about that stat is that we're behind both of them yet again! Paul Ferry 73 Posted 22/12/2024 at 18:47:59 Ah Fred, I was trying to put that to the back of my mind! Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb