Report Spurs onslaught compounded by woeful Pickford errors Everton’s first away game of the 2024-25 season is a difficult one at Tottenham Hotspur with rookie Roman Dixon getting his debut at right-back Michael Kenrick 24/08/2024 223comments (last) Tottenham Hotspur 4 - 0 Everton [90+5'] Everton’s first away game of the 2024-25 season is a difficult one at Tottenham Hotspur with the Blues injury crisis thankfully not getting any worse and rookie Roman Dixon getting his debut at right-back. The injury list still includes Jarrad Branthwaite, James Garner, Seamus Coleman, Youssef Chermiti and Nathan Patterson, with the one-match suspension of Ashley Young for last week's red card infringement adding to the selection challenge for this game against a pretty strong Spurs side. Young is replaced by Roman Dixon for his premier League debut who starts in the problematic right-back slot, with the rest of the starting line-up showing no other changes from the naive line-up that began well against Brighton before the rot set in. But James Tarkowski, who was said to be a major doubt for this game, starts as captain, while Richarlison for Spurs is not 100% fit but was on the bench. Spurs kicked off but held off a little and lost the ball briefly to McNeil who passed poorly behind Calvert-Lewin. Spurs then attacked with pace down their left and crossed in by Maddison with danger, winning a corner that Everton failed to clear. The ball fell to Romero who fired straight at Pickford. Son pressed Pickford and very nearly embarrassed him. Spurs attacked again, winning another corner that came out to Son. His shot took a wicked deflection that required a full-length save by Pickford as Everton rocked under the early onslaught. Article continues below video content Everton finally got the ball in midfield and almost broke down the right with Dixon pressing high. Then a nice move by Iroegbunam who was quickly closed down when he broke through the Spurs back line. A ball over the top found Maddison onside but Pickford was out quickly to block him. Maddison crossed well despite Dixon trying to block him but the header flew wide. But Spurs pressure won another corner, defended clear. More pressure saw Kulusevski torment the Everton defence before laying it back for Bissouma to smash it into the top corner off the bottom of the bar. A goal down but Calvert-Lewin should have done better when his first touch let him down and no chance materialized. McNeil crossed very well to the far post where Harrison should have done a lot better, missing the target. It was very competitive in the midfield, too much so for Calvert-Lewin who had the ball stolen off him. Calvert-Lewin intercepted the ball high up but McNeil took it bizarrely half-way back to Pickford. Gana then passed the ball behind Mykolenko and out of play. Iroegbunam brilliantly fed Calvert-Lewin but the centre-forward had run offside. Dixon produced a superb tackle to stop Odobert passing him. Odobert won the next contest on points, getting a corner, which Maddison drove high over everyone. Son again tormented Pickford who took a terrible touch on a backpass and gifted the second goal to a rampant Son. Shocking from Pickford. The game tempo slowed from the frenetic opening pace that had blown Everton away, with Spurs holding midfield possession and Everton failing to advance on the rare occasion that they saw the ball. Calvert-Lewin had a Son-like chance to embarrass Vicario but it didn't come off. Keane released McNeil who put in a cross onto Calvert-Lewin's head but it cannoned off a defender. A clearance hit Mykolenko and spun behind for another Spurs corner but Kulusevski's cross was headed high over the bar. Dixon did well to stop Odobert and turn the pay, Van de Ven falling awkwardly after fouling McNeil, the Everton free-kick coming to nought. Gana was fouled for another Everton free-kick, floated in by McNeil, winning a soft corner off Romero. McNeil's excellent corner looked to be headed in at the far post but it was headed away before winning a second and then a third corner, this one causing absolute chaos but Everton unable to score after Doucoure's goalbound shot was blocked on the line. At the other end, a Spurs corner was cleared but a long ball from Bissouma won another corner off Mykolenko that Porro curled just beyond the far angle as the whistle went for the half-time break. Everton tried to drive through from the restart but the ball was easily taken off Calvert-Lewin's feet. Dixon gave away the first corner of the second half but Gana was in quickly to clear. Doucoure tried to release Mykolenko but his pass was too far ahead. Maddison could have easily beaten Pickford but his touch wasn't enough to get the ball past the Everton keeper. Johnson was released in acres of space down the left but Mykolenko did well to close him down, the corner being cleared. Dyche decided it was time to risk the Premier League inexperienced new boys, Lindstrøm and Ndiaye on for Harrison and Doucouree. And Jesper Lindstrøm's first touch was a fabulous snapshot to test Vicarrio. At the other end, Odogie was again stopped by Dixon. Everton were having a lot more of the ball but still struggled to get close again, Ndiaye getting in a good cross that Vicario plucked out of the air before it could reach Calvert-Lewin. Son drew a foul in the dee after Maddison was blocked from shooting. Maddison shot wide from a very dangerous location. Everton had more forward possession but the key passes were going astray. Dixon and Trakowski had to thwart Son for another Spurs corner, Maddison swung it in to the centre of goal where any keeper but Pickford would be out to claim it. But no, Pickford backed to his line, and Porro had no problem climbing high enough to nod it home. Poor again from Pickford. Everton were working the ball forward nicely until McNeil's pass was intercepted and Van de Ven ran the length of the field unopposed to play in Son who nutmegged Pickford for Spurs' 4th. Ndiaye did well to win the ball on occasion but there was no support for him and he could do nothing with it as the game petered out in grim defeat for Dyche's "hard to beat" side. Harrison Armstrong was given a taste late on as a sub for Gana in the 5 minutes of added time. Tottenham Hotspur: Vicario, Porro, Romero, van de Ven, Udogie (72' Spence), Kulusevski (67' Sarr), Bissouma (72' Gray), Maddison (78' Bergvall), Johnson, Son, Odobert (57' Richarlison). Subs not Used: Forster, Dragusin, Werner, Davies. Everton: Pickford, Dixon, Keane, Tarkowski, Mykolenko, Gana (90' Armstrong), Iroegbunam, Doucoure (57' Ndiaye), McNeil, Harrison (57' Lindstrøm), Calvert-Lewin (72' Beto). Subs not Used: Virginia, Holgate, O'Brien, Maupay, Metcalfe. Reader Comments (223) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Shane Corcoran 1 Posted 24/08/2024 at 13:32:53 Dixon starts. Classic Dyche Sam Hoare 2 Posted 24/08/2024 at 13:47:09 Ha! Ive spent all week saying no sane manager would start Dixon in a match like this. Shows how much I know! Lee Courtliff 3 Posted 24/08/2024 at 13:54:17 I cannot believe Dyche is starting Dixon!! Even if this proves to be a disaster, I certainly won't criticise the manager for giving youth a try ahead of the likes of Holgate.Good luck to the lad. And thanks again for the birthday wishes. Mihir Ambardekar 4 Posted 24/08/2024 at 13:57:21 Good to see Roman Dixon starting. But sick of seeing Doucoure and McNeil. He should have at least started one Ndiaye and Lindstrom. Andrew Keatley 5 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:03:26 I think the pace of Dixon might be vital today. I think Dyche has made the right decision considering Holgate's propensity to dive into one-on-one battles that he is almost certain to lose. Hopefully Tarkowski is actually fit - and in better form than he was on the first day (and much of last season too where he stood off attackers far too often for my liking). Ed Prytherch 6 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:06:36 Dyche has made a good decision starting Dixon.Don't take unnecessary risks when things are going well but take risks when you are trying to find a way out of a difficult situation.If Dixon has a poor game then we come away with the same number of points as we would with Holgate but if he has a good game then he may be the solution to our right-back problem. Allen Rodgers 9 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:10:02 What have the Romans ever done for us? Good luck, lad! John Graham 10 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:12:00 Well, well… Dixon starts.Sometimes you do have to throw them in to see if they sink or swim.Good luck lad. COYB. Derek Knox 11 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:12:24 Made up for the lad, hope he makes it difficult to drop him after a sterling displayWill we miss Holgate? Would we miss an illness? Michael Kenrick 12 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:14:04 Ha, Edward, they got me again. Every week, they make a deliberate error and I copy like it like a numpty!Gana plays... not Garner. James Lloyd 13 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:14:08 I feel sorry for Dyche. It's a lose-lose situation playing Dixon, if he's not ready he'll get criticised for that and if he's brilliant he'll get hammered for not doing it sooner. Fingers crossed for a great game and 3 points. God it's the hope that kills you. COYB 🔵 Anthony Jones 14 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:14:10 Ndiaye should be starting.Dyche is Moyes in disguise. James Hughes 15 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:15:14 Garner is not in the team but Gana is Bobby Mallon 16 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:15:59 Ive just looked online and James garner is not even in squad which one is right Michael Kenrick 17 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:16:57 Gana is playing Garner is a deliberate error on the website Match Centre lineup. Michael Boardman 18 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:18:53 Could we not have gotten Gomes back on a one game contract, brought him on for injury time and let him rip on Son? Jason Brook 19 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:19:48 Good luck to Dixon.I was hoping for Ndiaye to start behind Calvert-Lewin.Hoping for a good performance and our first point(s) of the season. Christy Ring 20 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:20:13 Doucoure lucky to be starting, Dixon looked impressive in pre-season, but I still don't understand why Dyche brought on Young for Coleman against Roma, it would have been the perfect opportunity to see how Dixon would have coped? Mark Ryan 21 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:23:14 James @ 13. I won't be one of those ready to criticise Dyche for starting Dixon. The fact he has finally realised that Holgate is appalling gives me some belief in him as our manager. Dixon deserves to start over Holgate. I hope the young lad has no regrets and just goes for it. Robert Tressell 22 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:24:54 Wow – a debut for Dixon. All those calling for his inclusion get their wish. Let's hope he does well – it will be a tall order to keep a very mobile Spurs attack at bay. Paul Birmingham 23 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:25:36 Best of luck to Roman Dixon.I'm sure he will do his very best today for Everton. Brent Stephens 24 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:26:09 Surely it can't be lomg before Ndiaye starts. Sean Kearns 25 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:30:52 Is Patterson injured or does Dyche just hate him? I think he's boss but also hope Dixon takes his chance. The lad can be our right-back for the next decade and earn a big pay day contract etc. Come on, Roman kidda!!!! Mike Gaynes 26 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:31:41 I'm having a large kidney stone removed next week. I have named it Mason. So you know how I feel about this unusual decision by Dyche. Either a star is born or it'll be a disaster. I've seen virtually nothing of Dixon, so I have no idea if the kid can handle it or not, but there is joy in my soul at not having to watch Holgate play. James Lloyd 29 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:33:13 Mark @21 I hope he goes for it too, carpe diem. And I hope Dyche gets credit for it. Dave Cashen 30 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:33:43 So after a week of hand ringing, outrage and anger that Dyche would not play the young full back. He only goes and picks him..... All that wasted angst. I havent seen young Dixon play at all, so I am really excited for him. Best of luck to him.. You only make one EPL debut son. Take it all in and enjoy it Billy Shears 31 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:39:14 Pleased for Dixon, but that line up... jeez.Same as last week, an easy Spurs win... 3-0. Brent Stephens 32 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:40:56 A start for Roman Dixon. Great going forward (in lower leagues) but defensively not as strong, so today will be a mega test. Come on, lad. Defend capably, don't get drawn forward out of position, just do a steady, safe job against Son (ouch!) Alan J Thompson 33 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:41:39 Just the one enforced team change.I just hope we see more than that in our tactics… maybe the midfield playing as a unit. Marc Hints 34 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:42:25 So Dyche says he can't start Ndiaye, Lindstrøm or O'Brien because they lack premier league experience, but then plays Dixon? Baffling manager… Brent Stephens 35 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:43:56 Marc - absolutely spot on. No consistency (like my wifes' muffins!). Bobby Mallon 36 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:43:57 Billy are you always this happy 😃 Brent Stephens 37 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:44:38 I'm afraid he is, Bobby. Shear joy. Dave Abrahams 38 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:45:42 Good luck, Roman. I think it is too early for you in a poor defensive unit but Tarkowski will be a big help for you at least, as long as he is fully fit. David Bromwell 39 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:46:38 Strange decision today, given the manager's normal caution, good luck to the young man. Also Messers Doucouré and McNeil need to put in decent performances today or they need to be benched. Very tough game for Calvert-Lewin, and hats off to Captain Tawkowski who could so easily have taken the weekend off. Marc Hints 40 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:47:02 Brent, I just can't work him out, besides his depressing press conference, he does the opposite to what excuses he comes out with.Hope the wife doesn't read your messages! 😂 Si Cooper 41 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:51:16 It's a great shame we have started the season with so many untried or unproven elements in our squad but hopefully this is the season that all our youngsters and new recruits hit the ground running.The defending got pretty shambolic last week and that cost us against a Brighton side who are looking pretty assured already. Tarkowski potentially playing with an injury is a worry and Keane was dropping far too deep too early at times, clearly petrified of being done for pace; both will need to be at peak to give young Dixon the solid back-up he will surely need.McNeil wasn't sharp or athletic enough and I worry his partner's health is still a big concern and mood driver for a player who needs to be buoyant to be effective. COYB!We all remember the times it seemed like everything was going against us before the match had even started and yet the players produced performances and victories that surprised everyone.Hopefully today is one of those ‘phoenix from the ashes' occasions and the true start of a surprisingly good season.UTFT! Phil Smith 42 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:53:10 No one knows if Dixon will be ready, not even young Roman. We'll all find out at the end of 90 minutes. You never know until you try them. There are very few players you can know, with an amount of certainty, that they are truly ready. Rooney was probably one. You don't win nothing with kids because it's risky? Tell that to Spain at the moment! Lee Courtliff 43 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:54:20 Anyone got any streams, please? Tom Bowers 44 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:55:31 No need to be a rocket scientist to confirm it will be a miracle to get anything from this game based on last week's game and how Spurs should have demolished Leicester.However, maybe we can assume last week was just a bad day at the office and that they can bounce back with a surprise. God knows we haven't seen too many of those.A big game all around from everyone is necessary to help dispel that bad taste from the Brighton game. COYB Marc Hints 45 Posted 24/08/2024 at 14:56:42 Phil #42,Didn't Alan Hansen say that about Man Utd kids?Then they won the league. Brent Stephens 46 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:00:37 Link Phil Sammon 47 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:01:20 Its always worse with young defenders too. Theres no room for error. Good luck lad! COYB Lee Courtliff 49 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:13:47 That link isn't working, Brent, any others please? Luke Welch 50 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:16:15 Game over Sean Kelly 51 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:17:27 Can nobody tackle in an Everton shirt? Jim Bennings 52 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:19:02 We look like a non-league team against a European heavyweight.Same shit, different week. Pete Gunby 53 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:21:20 Invisible midfield and no pace – we are an easy team to play against. Jim Bennings 55 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:27:16 So Dyche's teams are hard to beat eh LMFAO Jason Brook 56 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:27:33 Oh dear, looks like game over already. Paul Kossoff 57 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:27:41 Pickford idiot! Sean O’Hanlon 58 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:29:01 All you Pickford worshippers – happy now?4-0 predicted – half-way there… Sean Kelly 59 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:29:03 Calamity Pickford. He doesn't give a shit. Apathy running through this team. This will end up 4-0. Bobby Mallon 60 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:29:23 Fucking disgraceful by that cunt. It's hard enough under this manager's tactics without fucking players gifting them a goal. Tim Greeley 61 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:29:47 Season isn't actually real until Branthwaite plays… Robert Tressell 62 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:30:56 Disappointing that from Pickford - very disappointing. Sean O’Hanlon 63 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:32:30 Relegation battle has started early this season… Pete Gunby 64 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:32:57 Pickford had an absolute howler. We look like the worst team in the league. No pace, no movement, no clue. Chris Leyland 65 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:33:02 Poor from Pickford but the mentality of the team is to be one goal down, have a throw in on the half way line and go back to the keeper. Rob Jones 66 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:33:08 Jesus, the Live Forum is outdoing itself today. Elliot Rea 67 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:33:54 Jesus wept. Same shit, different season. There's no reason to not play Lindstrom and N'diaye. We know what's going to happen with the tried and tested lot. Rob Jones 68 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:35:24 "Pickford worshippers"?How often does the guy let us down? The guy's kept us in the Premier League for the past 3 years.Grow up, you child. Mark Tanton 69 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:35:55 The realists amongst us on here were berated for predicting this collapse yesterday. Colin Malone 70 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:36:29 What use is Doucourie, McNeil and Harrison? Sean Kelly 71 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:36:41 Playing as if it's a preseason friendly. Not one Everton player is supporting a teammate. No movement no passion. How many seasons have we said that now? Too bloody many. Chris Lawlor 73 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:39:32 This site should come with a link to the Samaritans. Jim Bennings 74 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:39:33 Premier League v Premier League and we haven't mustered a single shot on target yet.I do sometimes wonder why Everton Football Club has become so anti-football over the last 7 or 8 years.I long for the entertainment days of Martinez and being distraught at finishing 12th.We don't even possess a style of play anymore, it's just not even resembling of professional football. Phil Rodgers 75 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:40:12 Spurs are everything we're not. So depressing Dean Williams 76 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:41:14 I've been berated for saying Dyche Out. He's a clueless dinosaur. Jim Bennings 77 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:44:25 I don't want to be one of these that turns on the manager again but we have won 4 football matches since December 2023. Is that really acceptable?He signs new players but continually picks tried and tested failures. It's about the players too, but the manager is extremely uninspiring let's be honest. Elliot Rea 78 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:50:22 Jim 77,I can't think of another side who'd win so few matches in that period of time, who wouldn't sack their manager. We'll wait for another couple of month's damage before we finally pull the trigger. Dan Parker 79 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:50:46 Apart from Pickford's idiotic moment, we'd still be in this. The problem is the owner, the utter farce of a takeover situation he's put us in with 777 Partners loan and severe lack of resources. We're in yet another relegation fight with a lack of squad depth. Only positive today is Dixon who has played really well. Hope he continues to start ahead of Calamity Young. Derek Taylor 80 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:50:53 Davey's new job with Uefa won't stop him from answering Everton's call! Andy Crooks 82 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:52:14 Well done, Sean @58, you must be over the moon. Only you thought we might lose. Rob Jones 83 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:52:39 Just for context...We're two games in. We've played the team currently top of the league, are currently playing a very, very good team on their own patch. The goals were a worldie, and a goalkeeping fuck-up. We're currently down many first-team players, and have a threadbare squad. Gary Wiffen 84 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:52:51 I like Dyche but my patience is now wearing thin – he sets us up so negative! Time for a change: Pochettino or Potter for me. Raymond Fox 85 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:54:33 Chris @ 73, I think thats a good shout.Rob @ 83, is spot on too. Bobby Mallon 86 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:56:05 Rob Jones, come on, really. There are no excuses for not playing passing one-touch football. It's shite — we have had no shots, for fuck's sake! Tom Bowers 87 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:56:44 If Pickford is off, then little chance of the others picking up their games. No offence, no chance. Bottom already and playing like it. Ed Prytherch 88 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:56:55 One bright spot - Dixon is playing well. Alan J Thompson 89 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:58:28 This typifies the difference in management styles. When Spurs attack, they have 7 or more players in and around our penalty area when the best we can do, except from set pieces, is three and a lot of the time just Calvert-Lewin.Spurs started as though they were going to target Dixon all afternoon but they then switched and give the lad his due, Dixon hasn't put a foot wrong and the extra help he has had at times now seem a lot more trusting of him.The first goal the result of getting men forward, the second was that of a relegation bound team and I haven't noticed much of Doucoure or Gana so anyone think Dyche might break the habit of his lifetime and give Armstrong or one of the new lads a run or will he still be thinking that this is his best side so will stick with it? Pete Ellingham 90 Posted 24/08/2024 at 15:59:21 I love this club, I love the majority of our fans. I am completely and utterly disgusted with our current owner and the way our manager wants us to play football! I hate the fact that most opposition fans now just laugh at our club. It's disgusting how far behind we are compared to almost every other club. Ernie Baywood 91 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:00:28 Rob - we're not bottom because we played the top team. Brighton are on top because they played us. That's context.Forget league positions for a while... we're an absolute gift. Danny Baily 92 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:00:34 Rob 83, there's no excuses for conceding five without reply in the opening 135 minutes. A thoroughly depressing start. Mark Ryan 93 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:00:44 Maybe Dyches's Masterplan is to give us a self-imposed 6 points deduction before the season starts proper for him. He seemed to do quite well last time we took the hit so maybe he simply likes to work under pressure. He's on track to hand us what will effectively be a definite 6-point deduction… or maybe he's going for a straight 9-point deduction? Colin Malone 94 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:00:46 Can Dyche change the system? No. He has got to make changes now. We have 3 defensive midfielders in the first half with Calvert-Lewin again on his lonesome. No wonder he wants away. Get it into your heads, Dycheball is not going away while he is at our club. John Hall 95 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:01:11 Dyche will stick it out until we're losing 23-0 and then might consider bringing Beto on for Calvert-Lewin. (I'm trying to be positive really!) Mihir Ambardekar 96 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:02:42 Looks like we will have to wait till we have Branthwaite back. I don't understand what does Doucoure offer? Yes, he scores some vital goals but we struggle with him in the team to play quick football. Dyche needs to freshen things up. He needs to make changes as early as possible and not 10-15 minutes before the last minute. Only positive is Dixon has been fine. With proactive substitutions and with little bravery, we can get something from this game. Tottenham are not that great and are suspect defensively. Unless we show intensity and attack proactively, we are heading nowhere. Barry Rathbone 97 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:03:07 Wasn't the Spurs manager under pressure?We're like the 7th cavalry riding to the rescue of under-pressure managers and strikers who haven't scored since pre-history.They'll miss us when we're gone. Derek Taylor 98 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:08:15 Jim @77,You either can't count or have a very bad memory! John Hall 99 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:10:07 Jim @77Apart from Pickford's incredible fuck-up, yes, put on somebody with a football brain. Those we have signed still sitting on the bench with hoofball just the only tactic Dyche knows.These are wide open in the middle of midfield with little pace and a simple pass through their lines leaves them wide open.Somebody needs to let Dyche know that grass is made to play football on and not in the stratosphere.Quick passing on the floor beats hoofing it high and wide with the passengers we have. Doucoure… what is he doing on the pitch? Absolutely offers nothing with supposedly clever footballers sitting on the bench.These are there for the taking with a small adjustment in the midfield. Doesn't Dyche know what a wall pass is? Can't stop that first goal but the second was a monumental fuck-up. Jimmy Armfield once told me as a 16-year-old, pass and move 5 yards can create 10 to 15 yards of space.Dyche has not got a clue about passing and moving, full stop. We don't have great players, but footie is so simple on the grass. Watching at 11:00 pm here, totally embarrassed to be an Everton lifelong supporter. Think I am done now and won't waste any more Saturdays or Sundays watching this crap. John Hall 100 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:14:44 Sorry guys, there are 2 John Halls on this forum - the more,the better!! :) John Hall 101 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:17:18 John Hall @ 99 lives in Philippines.70 years oldFirst game ever at Goodison was at the age of 5 years oldCheerio John Hall 102 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:20:12 This John Hall lives in Ukraine. but saw the new stadium this Summer - looks great! :) Phil Smith 103 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:21:28 Lindstrom did more in 1 minute than Harrison did in 55 minutes. The team on the field now is the side that needs to start the next game, except I'd actually start Beto. At least he runs and puts pressure on the backline. I'd use Calvert-Lewin as a substitute only these days when defences are tiring. He offers nothing up top on his own these days. He doesn't put the shift in to play as a lone striker anymore, due to his injuries. John Hall 104 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:22:54 Bring on Armstrong for Gana and O'Brien for Keane (useful in the opposition box). Dave Williams 105 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:23:07 Doucoure has not been the same since his injury. John Hall 106 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:26:35 Please don't bring on Holgate! Maupay may be an interesting move though. Pete Ellingham 107 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:30:34 People hated Moyes; I would have him over our current manager everyday of the week! This isn't good enough anymore! I am so flipping angry! Kunal Desai 108 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:34:08 And as expected, Pickford takes the ball out of the net for a third time. Danny Baily 109 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:37:24 It is what it is. We hardly deserve to be on the same pitch as this Spurs side. Phil Smith 110 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:37:32 Senior players letting us down badly. Tarkowski, Keane can't stop Romero, and a gift from Pickford. Doucoure was anonymous. Harrison tried hard defensively but offers nothing going forward – his main job. McNeil was up and down… but mainly down. Very negative performance and I don't know why anyone can't stay onside. That comes from lack of concentration and focus. Sean Nohilly 111 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:39:28 What the fuck! What a Shitshow!!! Denis Richardson 112 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:39:53 As expected. Training session win for Spurs.Played 2, lost 2, scored 0, conceded 7.Can't say anymore. Anthony Hawkins 113 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:41:10 Can Keane never play for us again? Is there a petition somewhere? Pete Ellingham 114 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:42:13 We can't even get rid of our manager because our owner doesn't care and wouldn't pay the money to sack him.We really are in a massive mess. To make things worse, nothing will change… we will be relegated. 😡 Justin Doone 115 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:44:10 We have played 2 of the top 4 sides so things are sure to improve against lesser opposition. However, despite my sarcastic optimism, Michael Keane has never been good enough for the Premier League. Despite Doucouré scoring some incredibly important and spectacular volleys over the last few seasons, he's a poor footballer and I'd rather he or Keane play in defence, never on the same pitch. It's another long, crappy season of Dyche-ball. But he's the best fit for us in our current 'how to be unsuccessful on and off the pitch' period of football. Good luck all! John Hall 116 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:44:27 Pickford is a coward in the 6-yard box. Great shot-stopper but too small and has no command in the air.Big stopper needed: at least 6ft-4in and brave enough to step 2 yards off his line to take out small defenders who have free headers. Nightmare, two goals given away by a keeper stuck to his line and reliant on his hoof kick. It just gets worse. This probably ends up 5 or 6. Van de Ven runs 55 yards without a challenge to set up the 4th goal. Pity all you travelling supporters. Good luck to all those who spend a fortune watching this shite and wish you all the best. Enough is enough!! Bill Fairfield 118 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:49:33 Only one word for it. Pathetic. Denis Richardson 119 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:51:28 If Dyche doesn't change the starting line up for the Bournemouth game, I think he'll be run out of town.No excuse whatsoever to leave the likes of O'Brien, Ndiaye or Lindstrøm on the bench. The current set-up doesn't work. 7 goals shipped in just 2 games and no goals scored – he simply has to change things.Only positive at this point is that we're only two games into the season. Mihir Ambardekar 120 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:55:06 We are back as relegation favorites! Early season optimism has faded. Just hoping to stay up. Absolute shitshow!If we have to progress and witness some good football, Dyche is definitely not the answer. I am not even sure sacking Dyche would be the answer. Our players are slow and painful to watch. Mark Tanton 121 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:55:51 The most depressing thing is that I'm not surprised and don't even feel bothered right now. This club just makes you numb. Neil Tyrrell 122 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:56:59 Commentator said we haven't won a Premier League match in August since 2021. So yet another depressing start to a season but the previous shitty starts didn't bury us.Hopefully the new boys showed Dyche enough to give them a start next week over the likes of Doucoure and McNeil. Our goal threat is non-existent at the moment, surely he has to try something different? Kunal Desai 123 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:57:50 People are not miserable they are just realistic when they agreed we'd get tinked by Spurs. Nothing in this team. Bournemouth is big gane now as it'll be similar result away at Villa to last season. Colin Malone 124 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:58:30 Why put McNeil at Number 10. The lad needs a 6-point turn to go forward. He had to run back because he cannot turn.He put Ndiaye who can turn a defender on the wing.Taxi for Dyche. Ian Edwards 125 Posted 24/08/2024 at 16:59:36 Absolute shambles. The same failing midfield selected. Nothing created. No protection of the defence. Get him out now. Andy Meighan 126 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:00:27 The really sad thing in all this is the twat has got the safest job in the game.2 games in and we are in massive trouble. I can't see us scoring never mind winning.Love to hear his excuses later. Michael Lynch 127 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:03:22 Early days. Beat Bournemouth and we're about where we expected to be, give or take a point. It's an unforgiving league, and we simply don't have good enough players to be anywhere other than in the bottom half-dozen this season. Alan J Thompson 128 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:04:09 I don't know what to say about that other than it was bloody awful. On another thread on where we might finish this season I said if we play football with the new lads and it came off we could finish in the top half and if it didn't come off we would be in serious trouble. Now all I can say is get Branthwaite back and park the bus, they just don't seem to have anything in them.The third goal there was no challenge for the header and the fourth the Spurs bloke just took off and that was that. Don't see any point in trying to analyze that load of rubbish. Oh, and can we have our blue shirts back. Dave Cashen 129 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:05:18 Spare a thought or the fans who traveled in numbers again today. Anthony Hawkins 130 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:06:15 Even though Ipswich lost, they still scored against Man City. Steve Brown 131 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:07:26 Who said that a sane manager would always select Young before Roman Dixon? That argument was shown to be ludicrous today.Dixon was just about the only starting player to come out with credit today. We looked much more positive when Lindstrøm and Ndiaye came on, and Harrison Armstrong was also bright. What does that tell us? Pete Ellingham 132 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:07:49 Michael, we don't have a good enough manager! He is so predictable in everything he does. I bet he has a crap at the same time every day 💩 Pat Kelly 133 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:09:05 Is anyone surprised?We were never getting anything today other than embarrassed. I stick with my prediction that this squad will do well to stay up. The Club is bankrupt and it's circling the drain. Mihir Ambardekar 134 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:11:26 Never even expected we would win. But it's clear that, given availability of key players like Branthwaite and a proper right-back, we would have been alright. We need 3 more players (defender, striker and midfielder) and I am sure we should be fine. With an available and fully fit squad, we become a different team.Hoping we have seen the last of Keane, Holgate and Maupay! Neil Lawson 135 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:14:02 Jim 77. A few words which accurately describe us as a team under our current manager.Wait for the excuses from him.Bottom of league. GD -7. No truly shit teams above us.The time to act is now but there is no-one in control to act.What is so troubling to me is that most of us (if not all) can see where we are so poor and yet we persist in the same old bollocks, match-in & match-out.Roman Dixon has been the only bright light today. Many of the others around him should be ashamed and the manager has to square his shoulders and take full responsibility for the shitshow he orchestrates each week. Ray Jacques 136 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:14:19 Justin, we haven't played two of the top four sides. Neither Spurs or Brighton will be in the top four at season's end.We've been hammered twice, conceded seven and scored nil.We are bottom.I'm going to say it and I've baulked at it for 8 years but bring back Moyes. He'd get these players into some sort of system. Christy Ring 137 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:14:36 Why start Doucoure and Harrison again after they were so poor last week? Tactics are so poor by Dyche, leaving a striker isolated, and playing two wingers with no pace, and Harrison can't cross a ball. Dixon is definitely a plus and should keep his place, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dyche brings Young straight back in. Concede 7 goals in two games, and why start Keane ahead of O'Brien? Worrying times, no wonder Sky are showing the Doncaster game. We badly need a defensive midfielder, Phillips should have been a gamble worth taking. Phillip Warrington 138 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:14:48 Why did we buy O'Brien? Danny Baily 139 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:19:22 Mihir, there'll be no more players incoming this summer. And our best 11 would get beaten away by almost everyone in this league.I'd stick with Dyche. He's shown us he can win 10 games a season with a squad of this calibre at his disposal. It will be grim, and fine margins mean relegation is a very real threat (odds are we'll finish just outside of Leicester, Ipswich and Southampton at present).The only thing that would change my mind is if he looked like he'd lost the dressing room altogether, which I don't think he has. This is just a case of another long, joyless slog of a season, with nothing positive to play for.It's embarrassing for us as fans, but it's our lot at present. Kevin Molloy 140 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:19:33 We had a threadbare squad last season. From that, we've removed Onana, Branthwaite and the right-back. Also, Tarkowski is carrying an injury. We can't go to Tottenham and expect much in such circumstances. The start is always difficult for us, we are adjusting to life after the sale of our good players and the new ones haven't bedded in yet. And this is a tough start – Brighton and Spurs will both get Europe this season. There are glimmers of hope, Iroegbunam and Dixon could save us a bomb, but we won't really know how we stand for a couple of months yet. And you can't legislate for Pickford doing what he did. Calm down. Dave Abrahams 141 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:23:11 Very disappointing, plenty to criticise and nobody could say different, puts another dampener on an another weekend.It could get even more disappointing by next Friday if there are no new signings. There could be a big loss with one surprise departure to give us the money to bring new players in, there just has to be two or three new signings. Only Branthwaite and Garner are really missing, Seamus and Ashley Young have had their day at the top being honest, Nathan Patterson could yet prove to be a decent right-back although Dixon could be pleased with his performance today.Early days to get really down but Heaven help us if no new signings are added to this squad. Will Mabon 142 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:23:36 Burverton. John Keating 143 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:24:27 I thought, and said, prior to the start of the season, that everything would depend on how we start. Well, regardless of any possible points deductions, we are really going to toil.2 games in and we have been out-fought, out-thought, and, to be honest, abysmal. No goals, 7 shipped, weak all over the park. I really don't know where we go from here? Injuries are no excuse in my opinion.Last week against Brighton, we collapsed so easily, both individually and as a team. Today… same same.Last season, we survived because of our defence. This season, our defence is unrecognisable. Tom Bowers 144 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:25:49 What a disastrous start to the season!!! No points, no goals, errors galore and a complete mess.The writing was on the wall for two seasons now and this could be the nail in the coffin.We have a team of underachievers, countless players we can't get rid of, and a manager who now seems completely out of his depth.Good thing about being at the bottom is that the only way is up. (Or is it?)For sure he will play a different team for the Doncaster game but will he put out this same miserable bunch for the next Premier League game?I wasn't expecting a win today but I thought at least they would put up a better performance. The whole midfield needs re-shaping right now. I said it last season that it was the poorest in the league – even with 5 across the middle, other teams found it easy to cut through.Dark days indeed. Braeden Corkery 145 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:27:42 Dixon looked competent for a first outing, not sensational but far less of a liability that Young has looked the past 2 seasons. Armstrong was positive for the 5-10 minutes he was on… probably not ready for any regular minutes but there is a good player in there. Team looked a lot better when Ndiaye and Lindstrøm came on, though I think I would prefer to see McNeil stay out wide and Ndiaye shift to the middle as a second striker. New boys need a bit of time to gel, Branthwaite and Garner back will be a huge improvement. Ed Prytherch 146 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:28:25 We showed our intent with the second half kick-off from Doucoure back to Pickford. They have been coached to do this!We concede 4 but our back four were decent, particularly Mykolenko and Dixon. Our problems are further up the pitch and our game plan stinks.I don't recall Pickford having such a poor game. He had no chance against the first goal but it might have been 1-0 if he had been at his best. Ian Edwards 147 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:31:11 Have we ever played such dull, uncreative, uninspiring, dour, pitiful, stinking, boring, negative, insipid football? The answer is No. Oliver Molloy 148 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:33:52 I don't give a fuck about players missing – an old school one-trick pony who coaches negative football as far as I can see.Never proactive, always reactive when it's too late.Doncaster will be interesting… but, if he doesn't win that! Dave Lynch 149 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:35:42 What is the point of Harrison and McNeil? Jay Harris 150 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:36:43 You can't put a bunch of numpties against a billion pound squad and expect anything different.Some posters were having a go at certain of us for saying we would get battered. I take no joy in saying this was entirely predictable.The only good to come out of it is Sean Dyche was forced to use Dixon, Ndiaye and Lindstrom and I thought we showed much more attacking threat with them in there. Gavin Johnson 151 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:38:20 A few positives and lots of negatives.Positive that he started Dixon who had a decent debut all things considered. Positive that the attacking play showed some future promise with the introductions of Ndiaye and Lindstrom who both have to be starters ahead of Harrison and Doucoure.Harrison Armstrong also looks an excellent prospect, who has the physicality to succeed and hold his own at such a young age.Negatives are that Dyche will persevere with Harrison and Doucoure over the new signings. Dixon will also be nowhere near the team once Young is back. Negative that Pickford made a howler. There was no coming back from that 2nd goal.If Tarkiowski was carrying a knock, I also don't see why he stayed on the pitch once it was obvious we weren't going to get anything out of the game. O'Brien may as well have played most of the 2nd half.This game showed like last week, why Branthwaite cannot be sold. I think we'll be solid again once he is back, and O'Brien is picked ahead of Keane as the cover.I really hope Dom is sold this week. I'm starting to really dislike the lad. If he wasn't being greedy, he would have gone to Newcastle, and we'd have got Minteh and a new striker in now. The flipside is that we'd have had Minteh but Dyche would be picking Harrison ahead of him.I hope Calvert-Lewin is sold and we buy Gnonto for the pacey wing play we need. Plus a couple of loans in Trippier and Broja, with the loan to Ipswich now off. Christy Ring 152 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:38:31 The first two games showed how easy it is to walk through our midfield. Tarkowski doesn't look fit, and missing Branthwaite beside him. Plus leaving a striker totally isolated? We need a couple of players badly before the window shuts, apart from Branthwaite and Garner back. Harrison and Doucoure have to be dropped, Doncaster and Bournemouth are massive games this early. John Hull 153 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:38:58 On my way back from the match.Worst performance by Pickford I've ever seen. He needs a re-boot and fast.On the plus side, the new lads all did okay, especially Dixon, who didn't wilt in tough circumstances.Unfortunately looks like another long season.Not looked but I suspect we are bottom of the table. In which case… the only way is up! Ray Jacques 154 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:42:12 Dave, Wasn't Harrison and McNeil a paint shop in town years ago by the old tunnel entrance? Jim Bennings 155 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:43:19 Anti-football.The best way I describe watching Everton in 2024.We have won four league games since before Christmas last year, and two of those were against teams that are no longer Premier League incumbents.As soon as opponents score first the game is over.We have no style of play other than try to score a set piece and we are the slowest team in the Premier League by some distance.I see us being ran ragged by an energetic Bournemouth side next Saturday to be honest, and it will come as no real surprise to have an exact copy of last season's start with two home losses on the spin. Jim Bennings 156 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:44:51 Crazy thing about it is Dyche will have Ashley Young as first name back on the team sheet again next week like that's the solution. Colin Metcalfe 157 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:44:54 Never thought I would say this but I would have Moyes back tomorrow. He can't be any worse than what we are getting with Dyche. Kevin Molloy 158 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:45:55 Gavin,I don't believe Dom did fail to agree terms with Newcastle. I think those loveable Geordies are doing to us what Chelsea did to us over Barkley, the advice being to Dom: "Sit tight for a couple of months, we'll knock £15M off the price and split it between us." Ajay Gopal 159 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:48:00 Right, that was horrible to watch except for 2 bright young things – I will come back to that later. Of the 7 goals we have conceded so far, 4 were directly as a result of clear errors by the senior players – particularly Tarkowski, Gueye and Pickford. And in both games, we had great chances to equalise, which might have resulted in totally different outcomes. Today, Harrison simply had to score from that cross which was put on a platter for him from McNeil. On the positives, both youngsters impressed me no end:Roman Dixon had a terrific Premier League debut. He played like an experienced person, and put in some great tackles on Son and Odobert. However, he gave away too many cheap corners, and I believe one of them resulted in the Romero header.Harrison Armstrong looks a very good footballer. He was superb on the ball in his brief cameo and his teasing cross into the Spurs penalty was one of the few genuine chances that we had all game.So coming to Dyche. These are still early days, but there are worrying signs – we have yet to score a goal in 180 minutes of football. The defence has been under constant pressure in both games, and I hope Dyche would realise that the only way you can give the defence some breathing space is by trying to keep hold of the ball and try to create some chances. Next game against Bournemouth is a must win, let's hope we can get some players back to fitness by then. Rob Jones 160 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:48:11 Jim, Ashley Young is out for three games... Marc Hints 161 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:52:46 Should change our motto to:Nil Satis Nisi Craptimum Oliver Molloy 162 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:52:51 No chance Gnonto will leave Leeds for us (even if he wanted).Any player looking to come to us – it won't be for the fucking coaching!I don't gamble but a friend of mine who does has just told me to put money on Moyes making a return – could this happen? Andy Crooks 163 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:53:27 That was terrible and not worth trying to defend. Jay @ 150, fearing a thumping and reasoning why is a pretty normal thing to do. Predicting a 4-0 defeat and gloating at 2-0 that you are going to be proven right is not. Well, not for most supporters. I suspect that among those of us utterly dejected, there will be a few feeling contentedly smug. Jim Bennings 164 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:54:10 Colin,Only if Moyes brings Pienaar, Cahill, Arteta, Yakubu, Saha, Fellaini and Baines with him.He may find it a bit different working with today's crop of shite. Pat Kelly 165 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:54:48 Dixon reportedly has agreed terms with Chelsea. Brent Stephens 166 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:56:55 Stop it, Pat! Will Mabon 167 Posted 24/08/2024 at 17:59:06 Pat, where have you heard that? Soren Moyer 168 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:00:39 You can give Dyche the Real Madrid starting 11 and we'd still be in the bottom 3. You won't win many games in 2024 with 1970s hoofball!!! Gavin Johnson 169 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:01:05 Oliver #162Gnonto would love to come to Everton and we would sign him if we had the finances to do the deal. He'd be at Everton right now if Friedkin hadn't have done a U-turn on buying the club.Kevin #158It wouldn't surprise me if your theory on Dom is right. It would be typical of the shit housery you get from players in the game these days.Even if it's £20M,. I just want Dom gone now so we can put some down payments on some new players. Pat Kelly 170 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:01:21 Stubbs Gazette, Will. Mike Hayes 171 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:10:12 Guaranteed Young will be back next week. Colin Glassar 172 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:12:10 Pat, you mean Dixon of Dock Green, right? Kevin Molloy 173 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:14:28 Pickford cost us the game today. That second goal was the killer, but he also had a hand in the last two. Having said that, he didn't have a pre-season remember, came back for the Roma game, so he's bound to be rusty. I think Dyche should have a bit more in the bank after single-handedly keeping us up for two seasons in the direst of circumstances, than that everyone is calling for his head during Game 2 of the third season. It's a bloody miracle we are where we are, after the mismanagement of this club. Anthony Dove 174 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:14:38 Colin @157. Things are bad enough without you starting the annual call for Moyes's return. He is just an older dinosaur than Dyche. Jeff Spiers 175 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:17:30 Having just listened to Merseyside phone-in, it was quite obvious that the teams above us have better speed, defending, attacking etc. One caller asked why are we so behind in terms of players coming to play for Everton. I know of one lad in the lower leagues who would not touch us with a barge pole. He speaks for other players as well. They see Everton unsettled, no leadership, and that puts fans under pressure of course, which gets through to the players. They don't want that. There are other factors as well. Which I can't go into detail. I don't think there is a manager who can help us. Fuckin doing me head in. Fred Quick 176 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:17:46 It doesn't matter if Pickford made errors for Spurs' goals, once Everton go behind, it's game over. I may be wrong but was the last time Dyche led a team to victory, when his team were behind in a game, against Everton when Richarlison scored twice? The night he said Everton didn't know how to win? No change there then, Sean. Jim Bennings 177 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:19:04 Calvert-Lewin won't be leaving now, he'll wind the contract down and leave for free next year with about 7 goals to his name.He may do well again in a side where he can be a tap-in merchant like when we had Sigurdsson, Digne, James Rodriguez supplying the bullets.But his time at Everton does look stale and at an end and probably best for both parties now a fresh start. Jeff Armstrong 178 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:23:04 For me, Dyche epitomised himself 2 weeks ago against Roma: Coleman went off injured in the first half, but instead of giving Roman Dixon some big game, big crowd, Goodison experience, he put Ashley Young on. What did Dyche learn by that?He knows all he needs to know about Young and he was always going to start against Brighton.What did Dixon learn? Nothing, cos he didn't get on! Fast-forward 2 weeks and Dyche realises because of his incompetence he has to start no minutes Dixon at right-back, away at Spurs!Sean Dyche is extremely blinkered in his team selection, McNeil,and Doucoure, have both been poor in the 4 preseason games and the last 2 league games, but it will be next week before he eventually drops them. He hasn't got a great pack of cards to deal with, but he is far too slow to react, again; this is evident every week with his substitutions. Colin Metcalfe 179 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:23:07 Anthony #174, maybe so. I know I am clutching at straws at mentioning Moyes but honestly, I am tearing my hair with Dyches's negative tactics and selection. Surely something has to change before it's too late? Ian Edwards 180 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:23:24 Paddy Power has paid out on us to be relegated. After 2 games. Can anyone see where the next goal is coming from? Fred Quick 181 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:23:30 Jeff @ 175,What other factors are they? If there are other factors, why haven't the media picked them up, if they are serious factors of course.Tittle-tattle involving unproven allegations that can't be substantiated or revealed are worse than gloating about Everton getting stuffed without scoring. Ian Bennett 182 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:27:03 Two shots on target in two games demonstrates the lack of quality, cutting edge and bravery.7 shipped in, a pisspoor squad, it's rinse and repeat from previous seasons. Feel sorry for those that trekked to London to watch that garbage.3 poor goals given away by Pickford and just not enough pressure on Bissouma.We went into the season under-cooked, and it looks like a long season with Ipswich, Leicester and Southampton. Danny O’Neill 183 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:37:01 Still on my way home after a lengthy wait and queue to get into White Hart Lane Station. I going to give myself time to think before I write up. I'll do that tomorrow. To those travelling back to Merseyside and elsewhere, safe travels. Dave Cashen 184 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:41:02 Post 159...At last. Somebody has addressed the elephant in the room.Tarkowski has been every team's worst nightmare. A centre-half and skipper who is defending like a novice. We have conceded seven goals and he's been shocking for five of them. I don't for one minute buy this (he's injured) nonsense. Fitness had nothing to do with his attempted Cruyff turn last week. It had nothing to do with him turning his back and running toward Pickford last week and it had nothing to do with him doing it again this week. When he was mullered in the air for that third goal, it was because the Spurs player showed more desire to get to the ball than him... It's not as if he hadnt had the warnings. Twice Spurs got in early while he snoozed.People can hammer, Dyche, Treswell, Holgate and Young till they are blue in the face, but none of them have given goals away. When Tarkowski failed to get off the deck for that third goal, the first reaction I saw was "Keane is a wanker". It doesnt matter if you think Young is a cunt, or Holgate is a gobshite. It doesnt even matter if you hate Dyche and Thewell. They are not the ones costing us goals. If we don't start addressing the real problem instead of hammering away at people who aren't even playing, how on earth can we hope to solve it?No team can survive when the rock upon which it's built keeps crumbling in the face of a mild breeze. Paul Ferry 185 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:46:31 Sadly, Iroegbunam was absolute pants today. Nowhere to be seen. I heard – I turned over and listened rather than watch the screen – his name mentioned twice in the first half and hardly ever in the second, though I wasn't counting. We have to hope that the rot we seem to be does not infect the new lads. There are top-dollar "seasoned professionals" on that pitch who look like they could not give a shit and couldn't even give us the respect of going through the motions. One reason I turned over is that it's hard for me nowadays to look at Dyche and the other two hard-boiled eggs on the side. I accept that we have Dyche and he ain't going nowhere until the club is sold, but the "realisitic" arguments that Dyche is the "realistic" fella for the job are fast fading.Even the "it's still August" train of thought seems shallow after two performances of heartbreaking shiteness of the lowest shiteness degree. But I'm still sticking to hope and that things will pick up and that Dyche, after all, is the basement genius who will have us in 16th OR 17th place in May. Jay Harris 186 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:49:44 Andy,I certainly did not come on gloating at 2-0 down and I am as disappointed as anyone about the result. But with team selection and approach being so predictable, you kind of know the result is well predictable. Jack Convery 187 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:54:26 Pickford – no pre-season and boy did it show.Coleman and Young – squad players at best and should not be playing more than a dozen Premier League games between them. Patterson – too injury prone. Dixon – good start.Mykolenko – slow start to the season but I trust him to get back to his best. His weakness is his inability to provide much in offence.Tarkowski – carrying an injury obviously. Needs time out to get over it, which he will.Branthwaite – god I hope he stays. However, knowing Everton, if someone offers £70M he will go. No doubt this will be 30 minutes before the deadline and we won't have time to bring players in. Everton that.Keane – needs to go for his sake.Holgate – why is he still here?O'Brien – who knows… but he must start against Doncaster.Sell, loan out, release, chase away Holgate, and Keane. Inverness might take Holgate and Duncan Ferguson can sort him out. Bring in a left-back who can play centre-back, or vice versa. Andy Crooks 188 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:54:49 Jay, I absolutely was not referring to you. You only voiced concerns we all had and are always balanced in your posts. Peter Mills 189 Posted 24/08/2024 at 18:58:56 I'm afraid the game looked like a cup tie between a top-tier team and one from the 3rd Division. Andrew Grey 190 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:00:16 Best thing about today was Richarlison giving his shirt to a young Everton fan at the end. Shane Corcoran 191 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:08:32 Paddy Power have paid out on us getting relegated! 😅 Steve Brown 192 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:11:47 Doucoure, Tarkowski, Gana, Harrison, Calvert-Lewin, Pickford and McNeil have all been really poor in pre-season and the first two Premier League games.Surely there has to be consequences for that. Until there is, they will feel like they can phone in their performances, like now. Ian Bennett 193 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:21:02 Sean Dyche says that, with finances tight and uncertainty over a club takeover, Everton are unlikely to make signings before the summer transfer window ends.I am betting we sell Calvert-Lewin and bring no one in. Everton that... David West 194 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:25:34 Really thought we might've seen a bit of a reaction to last week. Not saying I expected a win, but a good performance, nick a draw. We all know the weakness of the sqaud, we all know the mess Dyche is dealing with around the club, but he's got to get results, he's got to get them motivated — they look devoid of ideas, motivation and confidence. Tuesday in the Cup and next weekend need to be big turnarounds or he's going to find it hard to turn around. And when we talk about turning it round, what's his ceiling? 16th, 15th, possible 12th?? We shouldn't be fine with that!We shouldn't be fine with the football we are being served! The clock's ticking now, Sean!! Julian Exshaw 195 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:31:20 I feel a mix of frustration and, worst of all, hopelessness. Without wishing to sound melodramatic, this club has been dying since Martinez's first season. When I watch our team, I don't expect anything. I just see the same players doing the same things; our impotent front three taking one step forward and three steps back, our full backs unable to overlap, no centre-midfielder with the ability to spot a pass, no flair to speak of; just the same insipid rubbish.We, the fans, now have the tortuous wait for Mr Moshiri to find a buyer, then for the Premier League (who aren't our greatest fans anyway) to approve and, before we know it, it's March and we're still struggling.I will always applaud Dyche for ensuring our defence defied most of the best of the Premier League last season, thanks in no small part to the excellent Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Tarkowski and Pickford. But these results and performances suggest that even those wells are turning dry.We will win a few, of course we will, and survive but only a new owner and a thorough 'recycling' of players and coaches will ensure we enter the new stadium with fresh hope and renewed passion for our beloved football club. Jim Bennings 196 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:32:29 In somewhat typical Everton fashion, of all the old boys we have hanging about the club over the years, the one we should have sussed out as being a managerial winner is now managing Arsenal.As said, you could give Dyche Arsenal's squad and you'd still get risk averse football and scared tactics, much in the same way Moyes oversaw Manchester United. Mark Ryan 197 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:32:59 The worst part about today was that, when I was a youth and things went wrong on matchdays, just like today, you always had a sense that there would be unrest and turmoil in the corridors of power at Goodison and someone's arse would be kicked after a result like that. Now, I'm sensing that nobody gets short shrift and we just lurch from one game to the next. Dyche out! Moshiri out! What have we become? Sam Hoare 199 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:36:10 I defended Dyche last season and even thought that our early defeats had some positive signs. Not so this season. Poor performances, terrible results.Momentum is crucial in football and there is now serious pressure on Bournemouth at home with a tough trip to Villa to follow. Last season, we had one of the best records against teams in the bottom 8 and that's what kept us safe. Looks like we'll need to repeat that. Gavin Johnson 200 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:39:37 Seems Paddy Power have paid out on us to be relegated. Thought you were pulling our chain at first, Shane. Jeff Spiers 201 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:43:09 Fred @181, My information is based on trust. I also don't engage in tittle tattle. I also take no pleasure in Everton getting stuffed. But you are entitled to your opinion. This I respect. Dave Abrahams 202 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:54:06 Ray (154), Just come back after watching the Villa v Arsenal game,.Yes there was a paint shop in Dale Street by the Mersey Tunnel, I can't remember the name though but the service in there was very slow, so it could have been Harrison and McNeil! Brent Stephens 203 Posted 24/08/2024 at 19:58:54 Dave, did you ask for tips on watching paint dry, in preparation for today's Everton? Fred Quick 204 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:01:28 Jeff @201Thanks for the courtesy of replying, I'm sure you have to keep your sources to yourself. I also wasn't accusing you directly of gloating about Everton losing. However, if your source is correct, it's a great shame that they can't put whatever the information is, into the public domain. I'm sure that as the season progresses and if Everton don't pick up points, many things will surface, some accurate some not. Apparently the bookies have longer odds for Everton to win 3 points before the pair of stranded Astronauts return to earth, and they're not expected to return until February 2025. Well, we have to laugh else we'd cry. Dave Abrahams 205 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:07:59 Brent (203), No , I was young and naive I got sent there to ask for a long weight (wait) which I got after being there all day! Raymond Fox 206 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:08:23 I expected that we would lose the game, not sure about 4-0 though.We keep selling our best players, some just want to leave others are tapped up by teams above us, you can't keep doing that and hope to do well.We have had more managers than hot dinners with no success. The manager can't do it without quality players, that's the bottom line.That's been the common theme for years now, if your players are moderate, you are going to get moderate results. Ian Edwards 207 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:10:23 Julian 195. When have we had a front 3? We have an isolated Calvert-Lewin with no midfield runners getting up in support. McNeil and Harrison are wide midfielders expected to cover our full-backs. Is it any wonder we haven't scored? The football is shit. Everything to do with the club is shit. I see no hope. Paul Ferry 208 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:14:37 I have stuck rigidly with some concern and doubt to the “realism” angle; that Dyche is what we need in tough and testing times and, as a basement magician, he is right for the job.He walks in, sits down, unscrews his bottle of water, quick gulp, pulls on top in a few places, looks round, thinks of endless curries and glory-holes, and spouts shite. How can a manager ever get away with saying that he can't start Ndiaye, Lindstrom or O'Brien because they lack Premier League experience? How can they have any “experience” if they don't start, you thick tit? And you played Dixon!!!!! Dyche is beyond belief. He's not very clever, is he or, more softly, he needs to think a little more before he opens his crumbs-filled gob.I don't think that I can cling to the “realism” line for much longer.Brent (35): “muffins”? Is that carry-on humour?Sean O'Hanlon (58): there is nothing worse than pathetic “basking” in what you think are smart “told yer so's” and enjoying “a cheap holiday in other people's misery”. Who exactly are your “Pickford worshippers”? Barry Rathbone (97): no, you're completely wrong, the Spurs manager was under no “pressure” at all. Quite the reverse, in fact. Brent Stephens 209 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:25:54 Paul, "How can they have any “experience” if they don't start you thick tit? And you played Dixon!!!!! Dyche is beyond belief."He doesn't help himself, does he, Paul? I'm also one who has argued that we need to persevere with Dyche, as he's a manager who at least saved us from relegation. I now wonder, though. The usual problem, however, is "if not Dyche, then who?" Fred Quick 210 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:28:41 The Everton statistician efcstatto, shares another unwanted record for the club in recent times:It's the first time in the club's history that it's lost its first 2 league games by a margin of three or more goals. Oliver Molloy 211 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:31:40 @ 169"Gnoto would love to come to Everton"? You may have been right back then, but it would have been for the extra money, not the football and right now, I don't think he would want to move. Unless they are desperate and have zero interest from other clubs, good footballers are not going to come to Everton to be coached by Sean Dyche - he just isn't going to attract the type of players we need ( even if we had the cash ) to buy them.People say to me you have some great players and when I ask them to name them, they say the big centre-half lad Branthwaite, Calvert Lewin and that's it.In reality we have one "great" player and it's not fucking Calvert-Lewin and like any bottom-of-the-table club we have loads of "on their day" type players – no fucking good most the time!Could any Evertonain really complain if Branthwaite tried to force a move? The club is on its knees and the fans continue to support the team through thick and thin, but more and more are just sick of the constant shite we have to watch and how far we have fallen.It really does my head in, and I live in Ireland, so god knows what it's like for all you in Merseyside. Colin Malone 212 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:34:10 I won't criticise any player while Dyche is here. Full stop. Danny O’Neill 213 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:43:10 I would after today, Colin. I've been on a healthy diet of late. I fell off the wagon on the way back. Big Mac meal! Sometimes you need a bit of comfort. Allan Board 214 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:43:36 Dyche reminds me of your Good Old Sunday league manager – doesn't know bugger all, but is a nice bloke. Also, he plays the "the old boys" cos they "are quality" and "have been there and done it". Problem is, that was 15 years ago and now they are all pulling a car behind them, they are that slow.Also, the "hair shirt" mentality at Everton is the only "ethos" the club has anymore – woe is me – infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me! … Bullshit!!Youth is the solution to this; whilst inexperienced, they don't give a shit what anyone else thinks or what obstacles are placed in their path, they are treated with disdain and smashed out the way. The wonderful exuberance of youth.We just have a load of older "has beens" who are too precious. I'd happily ditch the lot and play the U21s with the lads from the 1st team squad who are under 25 or 26. Or alternatively, we could bring in Ted Lasso, Coach Beard, Coach Nathe and Roy Kent. New, shiny stadium or not, this standard of unprofessionalism is staying firmly put at "little old Everton" unless Youth and a Bielsa type ethos is forced upon it. Football has changed radically – everything Everton is still in the 1970s. Quite how this has been allowed to happen after the mid-80s success is the biggest balls-up in English football history. Like I said, unprofessional, and even a little pretentious. It's not simply good enough to "just avoid relegation" – where's the bloody dignity in that? Paul Ferry 215 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:44:16 Brent (209): spot on Brent. And now we have this new gem: "We've got to use the experience we have and lock it in for the future".Does that mean: Pickford, Young/Coleman, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mylolenko, Gana, Garner, McNeil, Harrison, Do[I can't write it down], DCL? Ernie Baywood 216 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:46:33 I don't think anyone had high hopes for this game. So it can be written off. We got a bit of a positive in Dixon. He'll be better for that experience. Bournemouth at home is the sort of fixture that will actually matter in the end.I feel for our travelling support though. Everton had no intention of getting anything out of that game. The fans deserve better than that. Gavin Johnson 217 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:50:15 @ 221But Gnonto wanted to come to Everton last month when Everton were back in talks with Leeds.I highly doubt a player would change their mind off the back of two bad results, and he'd prefer to stay in the Championship, which has already damaged his international career.The only thing that is stopping that move is the £10M down payment Leeds have requested. Dave Lynch 218 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:50:49 The man (Dyche) speaks with forked tongue, as the old Indian saying goes. He just keeps breaking records... the wrong ones though.I honestly believe he thinks he knows what he's doing, when in fact he's as clueless as fuck when it comes to modern day football. Fuck knows what we're gonna do because carry on like this and we're toast. Brian Wilkinson 219 Posted 24/08/2024 at 20:50:56 People can say all they want about it's the players' fault, Dyche's hands are tied, players out injured, get behind the team etc.A few on here yesterday got fed to the wolves for predicting the scoreline. I saw both sides of the positive and the reality from yesterday and some were ready to be lynched for daring to say what they thought was coming; anyway enough about that.I would like to ask every Evertonian on here one question:When a centre-forward is feeding off scraps, no support, and isolated for 70 mins, what is the logic in replacing him with a like-for-like swap? It just does not make any sense.Why not try and mix it up, leave the first striker on, get the second striker on earlier to try and give the defence something to think about, instead of the defence not having to do anything different.I await your answers because I am totally baffled with the like-for-like change. John Daley 223 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:34:35 As if the actual football and lack of fight wasnt difficult enough to stomach, the post-match soundbites from Dyche just provide extra piss to gargle down.Can somebody please explain these pearls of wisdom to me?“Finding the moment of truth has been really difficult. Were playing against sides who can find that moment of truth and they certainly did today.”“Ive spoken freely about it in the press. They ask me to be honest, Im honest. Erm…this strange sort of story started building last season at Goodison… that well be in Europe …and Im going ‘look at the last 3 seasons. Theres got to be a truth line, were rebuilding a side..”What the fuck is he on about? Did anyone else hear the emergence of these mass rumblings around Goodison last season that [on the evidence of what we had been watching/enduring] we were going to be ‘getting into Europe this time round? Anybody? Anybody at all?We went four months without a win, for fucks sake. Europe? Mike Price 224 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:38:17 Theres no love between Everton and Dyche, its purely functional. Hes on borrowed time, thats obvious because a new owner wont want him; this one doesnt, but cant be bothered to sack him. He acts like hes wanting the sack, weve seen it so many times over the last decade. We all know the ending, its just can we limp over the line again and get to a new era as a premier league club, or will the lack of leadership and inertia condemn us to relegation. John Raftery 226 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:48:07 Realistically when we look at the amounts we are paying for players compared with what the likes of Spurs have forked out it is no surprise we are frequently outclassed. Brighton have spent £140m this summer on young players with pace and skill. These clubs and others are operating at a level in the market we can only dream about. All that said we should be better than we were today. I struggled to identify the weakest area of the team; defence, midfield or attack. There were weaknesses in every area of the pitch including in goal. It says a lot that Michael Keane was one of our better players. He and Dixon held their game together amid the chaos around them. Before the game I ventured an opinion that on the evidence of his form over the last three and a half years Pickford can be rated our second best keeper in the last sixty years. Then he does that! The Tim/Gana combination in midfield is just not working. As a duo they offer insufficient going forward and are wide open to direct runs through the middle. The return of Garner might address the latter problem and in turn help the back line.Ndiaye and Lindstrøm will offer something different in attack; pace plus an inclination to carry the ball towards the opponents goal. I expect our attacking play to improve in the coming weeks as the new arrivals settle in. Cut out the mistakes, return to operating as a compact unit and we will start to pick up points as we did last year. It is too early to write off Dyche or indeed our season. As I have said last week nothing is decided in August. Fred Quick 227 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:52:09 Mike @ 224I too get the vibe that Dyche is almost asking to be sacked, perhaps he thought that there would have been a change of ownership by now and that he would already have been out of Goodison with a handsome pay-off, pure conjecture on my part. It's a not a good situation for the club to find itself in, a manager who's contract runs out next June and a lot of his players also with their contracts running down at the same point. Paul Birmingham 228 Posted 24/08/2024 at 21:56:17 Spot on John, @226. Tom Bowers 229 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:19:39 I was, like many willing to give Dyche a chance and I think getting us out of a sticky patch last season was commendable given the squad he had.However two debacles in a row without even one goal is a red flag that must be heeded right now.Some signings where made but he hasn't started them, instead going with the usual suspects but enough is enough and it's time to change the picture.I see Broja went to Ipswich but we have a useless attack force at present so why no move to improve that area ?It's no good blaming injuries after every defeat.Some of the injured players are not good enough anyway.Gana was a backward step after he flopped at PSG and so is Harrison. Doucoure should have been let go when he was disgruntled the season before last as he has done little since.I have always said you cannot make a silk purse from a sow's ear and it seems Dyche is trying to do that with some players. Jeff Spiers 230 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:35:19 Fred@204. Thanks for replying. And understanding Paul Ferry 231 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:36:02 John Daley (223), can't help you mate but curry-man talks like this: "and Im going ... "!That's teen talk. "So I'm like and she's like ... ". "Whatever ... ". " ... and I'm going.". What an unimpressive tit he is. I know he grew up in Kettering but I still find him a tad lacking in the articulation and thinking departments. He's not that bright and fuck me he plays up to the Average Joe I'm fairly handy at dry walling lasagne was posh in our house type as if his job depends on it (maybe it does?).Hero of the people('s club). He's falling and failing on all fronts now. The "realistic he's what we need" camouflage is looking threadbare now. He still has a bit of the wily fox in him though. He knows he has a good few months of job safety ahead of him as The Mosh devotes all his time to getting his blue monkey off his back. The Mosh does not have the time or interest in sorting out on-the-pitch footy issues. He's been off-the-pitch for years. Keeping the thing just about going is all that matters and we sometimes see him in a hard hat at the dock.Dyche soldiers on in a Kettering C&A sort of way, clinging to his heroic image of basement scrapper, crossing all seven fingers that there is another April just around the corner.Sometimes it snows in April Dychey and I cannot see a way that he will be driving the bus in the spring, unless we do not get sold. Fred Quick 232 Posted 24/08/2024 at 22:49:36 The first five home matches of last season produced just the single victory against Bournemouth, and we earned our first point of the season at Sheffield United. The first ten games had the club on ten points. but somehow it felt quite different, to what we're witnessing so far this season, things can change for the better and quite quickly too, but they'll have to because the likely contenders for the bottom places are surely more competent than those from last season? Close to a dozen points from our next 8 league fixtures and Dyche will survive, anything significantly less than that, and he'll be treading on thin ice. Stephen Williams 233 Posted 24/08/2024 at 23:07:22 Having got back from the game, main thought is we were in the game after the first goal until the third. Spurs had stopped creating chances and wed started to look much better. The thing is notwithstanding our general poor play, Pickfords two howlers (first one speaks for itself and the second was being rooted to his line when the corner came in 4 yards out) killed us. Without those, Spurs would have come under pressure. Compounded by Harrison missing from 3 yards when it was only 1-0.Positives? Ndiaye and Lindstrom made a difference and after a difficult first 10 minutes young Dixon stuck to his task and actually came out the game with much credit. Contrary to many on here (who presumably didnt go the game) DCL worked really hard with no support and cant be criticised by me.Turning thoughts to our manager, sadly he just doesnt have what it takes. There was a low cost option in the summer in Lee Carsley who Im convinced will be a success for someone one day. Regrettably our club is gripped by inertia and so we were and still are unable to make game changing strategic decisions.No matter how low I feel, and I am pretty low, Ill never predict relegation and cant understand those who do. Simon Dalzell 234 Posted 25/08/2024 at 00:44:51 The Gravel voiced, Ginger destroyer of the beautiful game. Yeah we've had some shite managers, but this guy takes the biscuit. It obviously comes down to making the most of what you have. This shit bag has many more resources than previous managers. The Personification of negativity. Burnley were the scourge of the Premier League. Unwatchable, Diabolical. What was the point ? Survival for survival sake. We are the new Burnley. Shocking such a Mighty respected club should end up with this Neanderthal Fraud. Andy Mead 235 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:15:06 Can't see what Doucoure and Harrison bring to the team other than 'running'. Shocking,both think of them. Negative defensive hoofball gets you nowhere. We even do it straight from the kick off. Back to Pickford to hoof to nobody. Straight swap DCL for Beto at 2 down? Why? Lindstrom looks like he can pick a pass but did anybody see him gestering to his team mates where to run when he came on? You could see his frustration. He must play the 10 role now if the system isn't going to change. Why oh why can't we pass a ball 5 yards and forward? If you keep giving it away pumping it down the line to nobody every time, how are you going to score? We are without doubt the most boring side to watch in the league, and that's coming from an Evertonian, what the neutral must think I don't know. No wonder people want us relegated. I don't enjoy watching is play at all now. It's like a chore or duty you I just have to perform. Ant Purcell 236 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:49:19 Feel for the lads went down London 2day if only the shitbags big gits on pitch had as much passion truth is they fuckin do not Ant Purcell 237 Posted 25/08/2024 at 01:49:19 Feel for the lads went down London 2day if only the shitbags big gits on pitch had as much passion truth is they fuckin do not Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb