Southampton 1 - 0 Everton

Everton failed to create many real chances and allowed a rapid Southampton counter to win the game after Beto saw his close-range header smack the face of the bar, gifting the bottom side their first win.

Injury problems continue for Armando Broja, James Garner, Tim Iroegbunam and Youssef Chermiti, with Abdoulaye Doucoure added to the list of absentees. Dwight McNeil is declared fit but Branthwaite is only on the bench again. 

The two changes are Jesper Lindstrom coming in for Jack Harrison and Orel Mangala replaces Abdoulaye Doucoure.

The standard start for Everton, kicking it back to Pickford for the mind-numbing hoof upfield that loses possession. But they won a free-kick that Lindstrom struck nicely for Ramsdale to collect.

But The Saints looked to play joined-up football, passing it around plenty until Walker-Peters was slow to get back onside. Then 38 Saints passes before Everton got the turnover and broke but Lindstrom messed it up. However, Gana forced a great turnover in the Saints' penalty area but Calvert-Lewin wasn't really interested despite the ball in direct to his feet. 

Everton got forward quickly, Young to McNeil to Lindstrom but his cross evaded Calvert-Lewin. McNeil was fouled by Lallana but the ref saw an infringement when the ball went in. 

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Everton were taking more control and playing the ball fairly well until it was meant to find Calvert-Lewin. The Saints tried to get forward a bit quicker but this time Archer was offside. Gana went down after he was baulked. 

Gana fed Ndiaye who cut in to somehow win a corner, which he then blasted high and wide (although it looked like a deflection, not given). A quick Saints free-kick saw a very strong sliding tackle on Archer by Tarkowski that was good value for the ensuing yellow card. 

Gana looked to break quickly but stalled and then saw it turned over when McNeil was dispossessed. Saints tried to mount an attack but didn't. Gana was called for a nothing foul. The free-kick was headed behind by Tarkowski for a Southampton corner, but it was played in too far back to threaten. 

Still, after 30 minutes, the home side had tasted possession in the Everton area, and wanted more. But Evern got forward with Calvert-Lewin on the ball, crossing to the spot where he himself should have been. 

Young was forced to take the 30-second treatment break for taking a drink on the touchline.  But Everton were largely controlling the play without really threatening, both teams seemingly poor in that fundamental aspect of the game. 

Mangala pushed the Blues forward, Mykolenko winning another corner, punched away by Ramsdale. Lindstrom tried to drive in on goal but Lallana surely impeded him? But no protest. 

Everton forced a turnover but the ball was played in behind Calvert-Lewin as he set off to make space. Saints broke well with Archer but he screwed his shot beyond the far post under close attention from Young. A deep free-kick found Tarkowski ghosting around the back but he could not get the header on target.

McNeil powered forward with the ball but could not play in Calvert-Lewin. Then Ndiaye burst through but could not beat Ramsdale with his weak shot. At the other end, it needed a crucial touch from Pickford to keep the ball away from Manning as Saints had one of their better spells, winning a corner that Howard-Bellis headed down well a yard wide. 

So ended a fairly even half, with few guilt-edged chances for either side.

The second half continued in much the same vein. Young did well to intercept and as Everton pushed up, Lindstom's cross was ballooned... but it came back around and Young played a great low cross for Mangala to hammer goalward, Calvert-Lewin ducking with Ramsdale blocking it.

Ndiaye got to run in with he ball but he was well tackled by Harwood-Bellis. 

Keane was forced to foul the faster Archer for a predictable yellow card. The free-kick was low but fell to Harwood-Belli, his shot deflected behind. The corner was cleared.

At the other end, Magala and Myko had shot blocked before Linsdtroom's better cross was headed behind before it could reach Calvert-Lewin. The corner from McNeil curled around the far post and out.

The Saint came forward and Pickford had to make a theatrical diving punch. Some like-for-like subs by Dyche on the hour — very early from him! Saints seemed inspired and a deep cross proved too difficult for Armstrong to convert. 

Lindstrom was cynically blocked by Stephens but no yellow card. The free-kick won a corner, but it did not reach Beto.  In the workaround, Mykolenko's deep cross saw a great diving header from Keane but Ramsdale palmed it onto the post and back onto his shoulder and onto the post again, as Keane tried to force it in but he was deemed to have fouled the Saints keeper. 

Saints got forward but Walker-Peters's cross was behind Armstrong who could not adjust his body position in time. Everton had to defend with depth and Young looked to relieve the pressure but his outball was not good enough to release Beto. 

Fernades was getting forward repeatedly and one lovely ball was cut out just as it approached Archer? who may have strayed offside with EVertn dropping too deep. Beto struggled with Bednereck who was shown a yellow card. But deemed by VAR not denying a goal-coring opportunity.

The free-kick was tremendous from Lindstrom, pawed away by Ramsdale. The corner came out to Harrison and was completely wasted with a terrible shot well off target. A great cross was met perfectly by Harrison but he touched it a foot wide instead of on target. Then Mangala pounced on the ball and drove into space but his shot was also terrible.  

Young was trying to take a free-kick with Fernandes hanging onto his shirt, so the Everton player tapped the ball in his face and Fernande went down as if shot at close range. Yellow card for being a dick! 

Beto was impeded by Dibling, the free-kick sent deep to Tarkowski, whose fierce close -range cross smacked off Beto's head and off the Saints bar! And of course, then Southampton went up the other end to see Armstrong score the simplest of goals off a straight-forward cross, completely unmarked. 

Branthwaite on, Keane up front but a great ball forward from Young was taken well by Beto and converted superly,... offside? A long VAR wait before it was ultimately ruled out.  

Only 4 minutes added after a 5-minute VAR delay and more Saints subs to make sure Everton could not equalize again. A scrappy 8 minutes were played out eventually without Everton getting close enough to threaten and the game was lost. 

Everton:  Pickford, Mykolenko, Keane [Y:56'], Tarkowski [Y:24'], Young, Ndiaye (62' Harrison), Mangala, Gueye, Lindstrom (88' Branthwaite), McNeil, Calvert-Lewin (62' Beto).

Subs:  Virginia, Begovic, Patterson, Coleman, O'Brien, Armstrong.


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Derek Knox
1 Posted 02/11/2024 at 13:57:52
I do like the look of that side.

Hoping it inspires a good win.

George Cumiskey
2 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:03:43
Deffo going to win today!

We've got two goalies on the bench — can't lose! 👌

Christy Ring
4 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:10:22
I like the line-up apart from Branthwaite on the bench.

In my opinion, no matter how good Keane has been, Branthwaite has to be the first name on the team sheet, ridiculous.

Alec Gaston
5 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:18:14
Dyche is an idiot.
Bill Fairfield
6 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:19:21
Branthwaite on the bench again. What a waste.
Rob Dolby
7 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:25:30
I would have played with a back 5 today and matched them up. Our formation of 4-4-1-1 struggles against anyone who plays 5 at the back.

Big chance for Lindstrom today, he got the hook at half-time a couple of weeks ago, I just hope he has learnt his lesson.

Not much on the bench, Harrison and Beto.

Clive Rogers
8 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:28:35
Branthwaite will be gone in the summer.

He will be thinking he needs to get away from Dyche.

Les Moorcroft
9 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:29:36
Nice to see us blues full of confidence.

Doom, doom, doom. UTFT.💙

Mike Hayes
10 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:43:36
Two goalies again… what a gormless bastard. The sooner he's gone, the better. He's no clue.

No Doucoure at all and Branthwaite on the bench says it all. Hopeful of all three points.

Neil Lawson
11 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:46:06
My two penneth in total agreement. How can Branthwaite be left on the bench? It is ridiculous. It is preposterous. It says such a lot about Dyche and his approach.

As with last week, hoping for a solid performance from Keane. One significant error and the ritual slaughter of him and of DynoDyche will commence.

And yes. Branthwaite will be gone. Why would he stay?

Alec Gaston
12 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:47:21
Clive 8 – he will be off in January at this rate.
Ajay Gopal
13 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:52:04
The subs bench says it all about the state of the squad:
2 goalies
4 defenders
1 rookie midfielder
Harrison
Beto

And we have McNeil playing through an injury.

If we get any result today, it would be nothing short of a miracle.

Alan J Thompson
14 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:53:22
2 goalkeepers, 2 right backs and 2 central defenders.

Now that's a bench to put fear into the opposition and I bet they fall for the belief that we have come to defend.

Neil Lawson
15 Posted 02/11/2024 at 14:56:36
6 of the 9 subs are goalies and defenders. That makes sense. The options to change the game positively are unlimited.

If you are a player under 21 (or even a bit older, Armstrong excepted... but he won't come on) why would you stay? You aren't ever going to play.

Si Cooper
16 Posted 02/11/2024 at 15:08:31
A manager can pick who he reckons will do the best on the day can't he?

He doesn't have to stick with the guys who ‘didn't let the side down' the previous week or whoever is ‘training the best'?

Just seems as though the starting eleven can't all be the best options for today based on the best we've seen from individuals in the past.

Doesn't mean they can't get us all the points, but it does look like the most conservative way to select your starters you can get and I can't get used to the (apparent) mindset.

Best of luck to them all though. COYB!

Mike Hayes
17 Posted 02/11/2024 at 15:12:32
Dyche proves he can't even pick his nose – he wipes it through his head!
Michael Lynch
18 Posted 02/11/2024 at 15:51:01
The usual dross in the first half.

Lindstrom, McNeil, Calvert-Lewin all look like they belong in a pub team. Our midfield is sluggish, our defence solid.

Christy Ring
19 Posted 02/11/2024 at 15:52:29
So our best attacking option is kick it back to Pickford, and hoof it up to a totally isolated striker?
Ernie Baywood
20 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:05:00
Christy, it's either that or catch Southampton trying to play out.

The latter looks pretty possible.

Mike Hayes
21 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:14:50
Utter shite from Dyche as usual but the players aren't exactly shining...
Lee Brownlie
22 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:23:55
I know it's not going to happen, of course, but still I say:

"Shackles off for the players, now and onwards, pleeeeeeease, Mr Dyche!!..

(And – if ya 'catch my drift' – if they can all put 'em on you instead and leave you in the fuckin cellar until further notice that'd be a seriously great bonus, I reckon!!)

Joe McMahon
23 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:49:44
This is exactly why Everton are ignored by the media. Zero entertainment, low-scoring dross.

Add to that a dated embarrassing manager. Why the hell didn't Beto start??

Mike Hayes
24 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:52:38
Great from Beto… but unlucky.
Lee Brownlie
25 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:53:20
Dyche's 'plan', as since the start of the season, very much seems only to be to 1-point our relegation rivals to death!

Except he either doesn't get, or doesn't really give a fuck, that it's us and our players he's 'killing'.. over and over and over!!!

Peter Gorman
26 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:53:23
Trash football from a trash side.
Neil Lawson
27 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:57:40
Don't sack him in the morning. Do it before 6 pm.

Useless, hopeless, woeful, woeful, braindead "manager". Couldn't manage the proverbial piss-up in a brewery.

Most comedy this evening will be listening to his drivel and excuses… Just go!

Michael Lynch
28 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:59:05
To be fair, that was unlucky in the end. Hit the bar, wonder save from Ramsdale, and a beauty from Beto that must have been a whisker offside.

We were awful for most of the game, but deserved three points.

George Cumiskey
29 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:59:38
Fucking shocking. Typical Dycheball – never tried to win the game.

He took our most dangerous player off and brought Harrison on — a fucking dinosaur!!

Craig Walker
30 Posted 02/11/2024 at 16:59:57
Winless Southampton? Bring on Everton.

Same old same old.

Alan J Thompson
31 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:00:58
I can't really comment on the game due to Optus's usual poor service of 3 seconds live play followed by 30 seconds darkened freeze frame.

On the disallowed goal, a line was drawn across the pitch and I hope that wasn't what VAR used as it wasn't even parallel with the halfway line.

Gone 1 am so I'll just hope the replay tomorrow is in better condition.

Pete Ellingham
32 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:02:38
And some of our fans think that Calvert-Lewin is better than Beto?!

Again, Beto did more in 20 minutes than Calvert-Lewin ever does. Completely fed up with such rubbish.

Derek Knox
33 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:03:58
Negative result from a negative manager.

Feel for the hundreds who put more effort into going to St Mary's than Dyche and many of the team produced. I quite liked the look of the side, taking into account the injury status, but still feel Branthwaite should have started!

Roll on the TFG takeover!

Christy Ring
34 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:07:08
Absolutely abysmal.

When you have a boring defensive manager who picks a team with one man up front against Southampton, with no attacking threat whatsoever, he has to be sacked.

We were completely outplayed by Fulham at home last Saturday. When he won't start our best defender Branthwaite, it says everything about Dyche. What excuse will he come up with now?

Denis Richardson
35 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:07:34
Xmas always seems to come early when Everton come to town. Southampton without a win and a clean sheet — you just knew what would happen.

Oh well. At least we're still 5 points ahead of the drop zone and can get something from the next game. West Ham going through a rough patch so hopefully we've run out of charity by then.

I saw Southampton live last season and they were awful. Still don't know how they managed to get promoted and are still my favourite to finish bottom, along with Ipswich.

Time to bring Branthwaite back in and start Beto. Terrible result but it's only one game – thankfully.

Justin Doone
36 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:07:44
Every season, we lose to clubs that can't score, can't keep clean sheets, and can't win… until Everton bottle it.

Beto unlucky not to have the equaliser but both he and Dom get caught offside too often and just don't do enough.

See what money we can get for them in January and get a more suitable goalscorer.

We created chances and put a shift in but awful to watch but I'll take the positives as it could have been and has been far worse.

No point calling for the manager to up sticks as we are still a mess of a club but hopefully good enough to remain in the Premier League… and hopefully the financial cavalry arrives for next season.

Ian Bennett
37 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:07:55
A damaging defeat that sucks us back into it. It was a great opportunity to put light and day between us and the bottom.

With tougher games coming up, it's going to be another painful slog.

Ernie Baywood
38 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:09:31
We're unambitious, we're negative. Yada, yada, yada.

They had most of the play but really created only one chance – unfortunately for us, passing football tends to create the clearer chances when they come. 'Winning the xG' doesn't change that.

I still thought we were a bit unlucky today against a poor Southampton side. But it's not like we haven't ridden our luck lately.

10 games in and this league position is real.

Mike Hayes
39 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:10:25
Negative cowardly bastard needs to go now!!!
Bill Fairfield
40 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:12:56
Business as usual by the manager.

Beto very unlucky. If you leave your best player on the bench, expect more of the same.

Lee Courtliff
41 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:12:59
We had chances today but we were poor, it's just depressing to watch really. Dyche is walking a tightrope with the fans but we need to stick together and just get through this season.

I'm no fan of his, but I'm pretty sure he'll see us safe this season, then we can say our goodbyes.

On to West Ham we go!

Fred Quick
43 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:14:00
Is this the beginning of yet another 'winter of discontent'?

I honestly hope not, but the nagging doubts about our overall situation out on the pitch at least, are starting to appear once again. Unable to score enough goals, losing to teams that we should at least be able to manage to get a draw from, and a tough run of fixtures between now and the end of the year.

I didn't watch Everton today, because I had a feeling it wouldn't be a good day for us, so I firstly watched Arsenal labour to defeat on Tyneside and then Man City lose to an enthusiastic and energetic Bournemouth.

How I wish I could transfer the whole Bournemouth squad and their attitude to Goodison Park in exchange for what we have on show, at least that would ensure that Goodison got the send-off it deserves.

Andrew Clare
44 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:14:10
If you are on a bad run, don't worry: Everton will guarantee it ends.
Ian Edwards
45 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:15:34
Saints goal was an exact replica of the chance Ipswich missed early on. Right wing run. Cross pulled back and thumped in. Ipswich hit it over the bar. Saints didn't. They had clearly done their homework.

As Armstrong was striking the ball, our player who should have been in that position was Idrissa Gana Shite who was trotting back like he'd been for a stroll to the shops.

Wrong team selection. Lindstrom? Keane? Mykolenko is shocking. Put Young there and bring back Coleman or Patterson.

Ed Prytherch
46 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:17:31
Calvert-Lewin looks like he can't be arsed. Beto should start next week.

I am amazed that our away supporters will travel so far to watch such poor football. They deserve so much more than this.

Clive Rogers
47 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:19:02
That defeat was due to bad management, simple as.
Colin Malone
48 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:20:50
Re: my previous post:

If you ain't scored yet.
If you haven't won yet.
Play Everton.

Horrible, Horrible football. Was Ndiaye injured? I would say it's Sunday league football, but that's an insult on Sunday league football.

Clueless.

Ajay Gopal
49 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:23:25
Two poor sides played a game of football today and the luckier team won.

The whole atmosphere in the game was strange – no urgency, no desire, scared football from both sides. Everton picked it up a bit in the 2nd half, but were really unlucky with 4 close chances:

1. The Mangala hit

2. The Keane header (save of the season so far?)

3. The Harrison side footer going inches wide

4. The Beto header against the cross bar

The offside decision looked very dicey to me, and I don't understand why it should take so long with modern technology – AI and what not?

I thought our entire forward line – Calvert-Lewin, Harrison, McNeil and Ndiaye were off the pace. Calvert-Lewin needs a break, I actually think he will score more goals coming on as a substitute.

We need Broja and Chermiti as soon as possible. And we really need to sign a high quality, speedy winger to add some options to the attack.

Kevin Molloy
50 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:26:38
Pushing for a late winner, we land a late loser.

Liverpool, looking like losing, land a late winner.

Standard.

Dean Williams
51 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:26:47
I've been calling for this ass clown to be sacked for ages, only to be shouted down by some on here.

If he stays, we are doomed.

Pat Kelly
52 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:29:16
This team and manager are just seeing out their time. They know there's a clearout coming once the season is over. The dross will continue till then.

A new manager and some additions will be brought in in January if necessary.

Mick O'Malley
53 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:30:29
Ed I've just posted the same on the live forum, it's disgusting shithouse football
Mark Andrews
54 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:32:15
Is anyone still batting for Dyno Dyche, the tactical potato?
How bad do we have to be before you stop supporting this terrible coach?
Brian Wilkinson
55 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:32:30
People can say Calvert-Lewin holds the ball up well, a thankless task, say whatever you like but the player needs dropping, his heart is not in it, Beto two weeks running has come on and gave his all and chased after balls and put himself in good positions

He has to start Beto next game, he cannot keep playing a half hearted Calvert-Lewin.

Si Cooper
56 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:34:58
Only heard the OS commentary. First half sounded like a non-event, second half much more competitive but we paid price for butchering some very promising situations.
McNeil’s name hardly mentioned so another game that largely bypassed him?
Assuming Iliman was subbed because of knock he took rather than preference.
Tarks apparently borderline for a red in first half but most debatable decision sounds like the offside decision for Beto’s goal, which sounds like the finest of margins that you can get. Wonder if they’ll produce one of those dodgy stills where you really can’t say if it’s exactly when the ball was played and there is extreme parallax and the imposed line doesn’t look parallel to anything on the pitch.
Reality is that if you are not bossing the game everything ends up in the lap of the gods.
Christy Ring
57 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:35:24
Can someone explain Dyche's tactics to me, he starts Calvert-Lewin upfront on his own, takes him off, and then puts Beto and Keane together upfront. We can criticise Dom, but does he not deserve a chance with somebody beside him, instead of chasing Pickford's long ball tactics, and how can Dyche leave a fully fit Branthwaite on the bench, it's senseless.
Allan Board
58 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:37:55
I said I wouldn't comment on Dyche till after 10 games. 2 wins from 10 tells me all I need to know- he thinks that little of Everton he will be satisfied with around a point a game. Somebody needs to tell this self serving idiot we are not bloody Burnley. This team is plenty good enough for mid table, but is being ruinously coached by 3 complete fucking twats who know nothing about how to set a team up or create progression. Dyche likes the sound of his own voice too much, has no nerve to go and win games and bullies his two sidekicks into meek acceptance. I will never accept this clown as Everton manager, ever. It's HIM who causes all the trouble on the pitch,and HIM who has cost us all these points so far. Negative, small minded, lacking any football nous and more pretentious than any politician. Forget the new stadium- this moron is content with a relegation fight - again. Keep this nugget and Evertons slide into obscurity will continue and end in relegation. Acceptance of this is a sign of blind faith. Get out Dyche, you are a loser.
Charles Brewer
59 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:38:56
I was out at a birthday lunch today and missed the match. It sounds like every other dreary exhibition of talentless clogging and dour defensive play there has been this season.

I am now well beyond the point of being interested in this "sport", and my residual interest is due to a lifetime of supporting and being a 3rd generation supporter - my son, poor lad, qualifies as 4th generation. It's certainly not due to anything to do with today's club, players, management or style of play all of which are beyond dire.

I couldn't care less who wins the Premiership - I'm even getting to the point where I hate the RS less - and internationals are a matter of complete indifference.

Ray Roche
60 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:40:12
We need a manager who puts out a team to win games, Dyche goes out not to lose.
Bill Gall
61 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:41:28
I thought that you were supposed to press bottom of the league teams and go for a win, but as watching I suddenly thought loose this and we are only 4pts off the bottom, so as expected it seems Dyche would be happy for a draw. Southampton scoring was no surprise you just have to look at their amount of possession and 1 mistake would give them the points. VAR is starting to become a laughing stock when a player is offside because his foot is about less than an inch longer than an inline defender.
This game and management is another nail in Dyches management coffin as even though we have injury problems, the team that was chosen was more than ample to get a positive result the tactics were the problem.
As Tarks was supposed to be carrying an injury why wasn't Keane moved over and Branthwaite started or are they saving him for a sale in January.
Just wishing for the new ownership to take place and see what if any management changes are made. as something has to change.
Danny Baily
62 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:41:59
Unlucky today. We're rubbish but could easily have come away with a point or all three.

We held Leicester and beat Ipswich away. Shame we couldn't deny Southampton the win but the reverse fixtures will be the crucial ones.

Brian Wilkinson
63 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:46:50
Christy, he only pushed Michael Keane up on 88 mins when Branthswaite came on, he went up for the free kick when he was unlucky not to score, before that Beto was doing it all himself, chasing balls, winning headers and running at players.

Soon as they scored he launched Keane up with Beto

Frederick Parchment
64 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:48:38
IMHO if dyche managed Erland, he too would lose confidence and would probably miss golden opportunities. Due to the style and tactical crap this Manger offers. Dyche to me is purely Championship League survival type of manager. Sets up to not lose, with no attacking ideas of how to move the ball around, keep possession, keep your best players on instead of substituting. And move the ball forward. People ask who would replace Dyche, there's plenty better than Dyche, we hear of them every week. Most Premier teams have managers whose name I've never heard of. But seem to me Premiership ready. DYCHE to me is NOT Premiership ready. DYCHE SACKING SHOULD TAKE IMMEDIATE EFFECT.
Style and tactics make a huge difference
Rant finished. Previously posted on the live forum.
Mike Hayes
65 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:50:29
Agreed Frederick replied on the live forum 🥳
Anthony Dove
66 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:51:14
Ajay@49 the Harrison and Beto misses weren’t unlucky,
just inept finishing, particularly the Beto header.
I am all for a new manager debate now, provided the
the use of the word ‘Moyes’ is banned. Let’s try and
move out of the dinosaur age before we get to BMD.
Neil Lawson
67 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:52:31
Allan (58). Still smiling at your post. Well put.
My sons and I are travelling up to the Brentford match. Potentially our last visit to Goodison. Like others who have posted, I indoctrinated my 2 boys into a life of abject misery supporting Everton. Fortunately, the seats we have acquired give a restricted view only. Couldn't bear to watch the whole of this complete shambles. Would so love to have someone else in charge for that game so that the atmosphere can really take off and my memories of so many great days in the past can be revived. With Dyche in charge it may make sense to stay in the pub and not to adulterate those memories.
Neil Lawson
68 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:54:27
Just carrying on, the last time we were all together was at Swansea when we cruised to a 2-0 win with Leighton curling in a beauty. Happy days.
Paul Hewitt
69 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:57:12
Someone at the club needs to grow a pair of balls and sack this fucking idiot
Tommy Carter
70 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:58:07
@66 Anthony

I think we should make the move to appoint Thomas Frank.

There’s no candidate as outstanding as him.

Mike Hayes
71 Posted 02/11/2024 at 17:58:27
Ten Haag is available - no hang on he only wins silverware 🤷
Brian Wilkinson
72 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:00:42
Friedkin will want his own manager so no use going for the likes of potter etc for now.

I know I will get slated for this but I would bring Moyes in as interim for now, until we get the takeover sorted, moan all you like for him going to Utd, penknife to a gunfight, but he is head and shoulders a better manager than Dyche and for the short term will at least have us fighting against the best of the rest.

Derek Knox
73 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:02:13
Anthony @ 66, " Let’s try and
move out of the dinosaur age before we get to BMD."

I heard there is a little known Manager who could be available, Terry Dactyl !

Will he do ?

Tom Bowers
74 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:03:45
Sods law. We could all see it was coming.
Neil Lawson
75 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:04:07
Brian 72. It is the only realistic short term fix. The problem though is that the takeover can't be far away and perhaps there is already a manager pencilled in. Please. Anyone !
Brian Wilkinson
76 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:06:53
If we get the chain smoker in, he will go through 60 cigs watching Everton on the touchline.
Jerome Shields
77 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:12:54
Christy#57.

I can do that.

Dyche has no tactics and Everton under him have no definable style.

I was disappointed for Beto.Aleast he got playing for longer as a Sub.Dyvhe got caught out not playing Branthwaite.

Sean Kearns
78 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:15:26
We just got Sean Dyche’d by bloody saints… now we know how it feels when we are totally shite but sneak 1-0 wins against teams… he is the man to keep us up but that’s about it. I would rather Moyes to be honest. I suspect Dyche is being told not to play Jazza to preserve 70 mill but could very well be wrong, either way I would be tempted to play O’Brien in a 5 against teams like Southampton and really mix it up. Beto is worth a run over Dom as I think a lot of our current trouble stem from him. Our Talisman, Target man, focal point etc etc is not there! This is elite sports and I don’t care about any of their feelings, I would bench Dom for the next match as it literally can’t be any worse!!! Our Fullback positions are also woeful… we need a RB, LB and CF asap. Broja and Coleman will help big time. Need Broja asap. When we get a decent proper PL standard forward up top things will change.
John Keating
79 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:17:27
Playing for a draw every game only asks for trouble, and we got it today!

Shocking football against a team worse than us, if that's possible?

A point average a game will see us go to BMD still in the PL but I'm afraid we are going to have to put up with embarrassments like this a lot more this season.

To think Everton Football Club have become a laughing stock

Sean Kearns
80 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:18:56
Why did we bin Marco Silva off??? Like what the actual fuck now that I really think about it?!… imagine if he had time. We deserve all this tbh
Frederick Parchment
81 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:20:15

Can Dyche be sacked now?
Who makes that call before a takeover?
I cannot take anymore of this shit on the pitch. We have a very good squad of players but Dyche style and tactics doesn't suit them.
Onana made that clear in the way he is managed now as opposed to being managed by Dyche.
All previous managers who displayed incompetence at it's highest order, Dyche has somehow surpassed it, yet he remains the manager.
Man U pulled the plug and made a ultimatum to their prospect.
Why don't we do something similar?
At least sack the wipe my nose and rub it on my head guy.
Ian Jones
82 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:21:26
I'm glad others noted the direction of the VAR lines. Not accutately drawn. Beto may well have been off-side but the lines looked odd.

Kevin Edward
83 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:22:37
It just piles the pressure on doesn’t it?

Put yourself in a decent position knowing that 3 points opens up a nice gap before some tough fixtures, and then blow it.

Yes it’s sport and it’s unpredictable at times, but this was predictable the way the team is set up by the manager.

We are good enough to win at WH next match, but expect more of the same.

I don’t know the answer, Dyche and his cronies are not good enough, many of our players are not good enough but I’d rather lose trying to win.

I think with the points deductions last time it provided some incentive, this time unless the new recruits can raise the quality then we’re stuck in the trap door mini-league until the end.

It’s true that margins are fine (even without VAR) but when you can help yourself you have to, no-one else will at this level. At the moment we’re just treading water waiting for others to fail it seems.

Sam Hoare
84 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:26:55
Dyche isn’t going anywhere till December at the earliest.

The likelihood is that he grinds enough points to keep us above the relegation zone and gets to stay in charge till end of the season. At that point, even though I have championed him on here at times, I hope we will shake his hand, thank him for keeping us up in tough times and say goodbye.

I’m not sure he plays for a draw but he certainly plays the percentages, disrupting most games in the hope they’ll be settled by a set piece or lucky bounce in our favour. It can be effective for a limited team, which we have certainly been for the last 3 years. But I’m hoping the future offers something better.

Till then not much will change until the Friedkins hold the rudder.

Tony Hughes
85 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:28:13
I think we got rid of Silva when we were all under the illusion that Moshiri knew what the fuck he was doing
Tom Bowers
86 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:29:40
It's really sad when we cannot put teams like Soton to the sword and shows what a poor bunch we are.

What is it with South Coast teams that we have such a bad record against. Good job we don't have to play Plymouth !!

If Dychwe has any guts he would bring out the axe for the next game. I can take a defeat if they played well but this was awful.

Defensively we are not great, midfield is just not strong enough and the offense, well the least said the better.

Southampton's first win, yes it had to be against Everton.

Surely to God there are some better players on the books than these overpaid articles.

Pete Neilson
87 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:29:51
We’re abysmal to watch but now appear resigned to it being the best we can expect. There’s a wide world of standards between expecting us to play like Brazil, which I’m not, and the dreadful stuff we’re watching. But now we’re not even getting the results to compensate for Dyche’s dire tactics, such as they are. At least, hopefully, there’ll be no more calls to give him an extension to lead us out at BMD like some kind charity bonus. At best this marriage of convenience ends with the season. After over 300 EPL games his points per game is equal with Steve Bruce and surpassed by Alan Pardew. Somehow the likes of Newcastle and West Ham managed to move on, we will as well.
Frederick Parchment
88 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:30:34
Thanks Sam,
I can't bare that until then.
Even when we win I feel bad, because I know it's another week of him as our manager
Christy Ring
89 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:32:10
Not panicking but I'd bring in Moyes for the rest of the season. Let's not forget we were playing Southampton the bottom team today, and Dyche's usual tactics and game plan again, let's sit back, let them have possession, pass back to Pickford and let him play the long ball to Calvert-Lewin, upfront on his own. He won't pick his best defender Branthwaite, when he's playing, he shouts at our midfield if they pass the ball backwards instead of being offensive. Let's see him pass the blame again?
Frederick Parchment
90 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:35:31
I knew we we're going to lose the moment he substituted Ndiaye.
Rob Dolby
91 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:38:44
As usual the floodgates of sack the manager get posted after a defeat, strange the same people don't give any credit or even post when we win.

We had enough chances to have won the game but again our lack of quality let's us down. Harrison and Keane with probably our best chances.

Ndiaye got a dead leg after about 10 mins which should have been a yellow to walker peters, it effectively ended his game.

Lindstrom showed a bit more than last time but only a bit, against better opposition he will be a liability.

DCL showed very little aggression or drive again.

As bad as what Doucoure is as a footballer we missed his energy today.

I also thought Pickford could have done better with their goal, the lad hit the middle of the goal. Young should have also been closer to try and block the shot.

Pretty shite allround performance again. This group of players is the weakest I think we have ever had.

Branthwaite has to start next week. Have we not got any attackers from the youth teams to attend least give 10 mins to rather than name 2 goalies.

Jimmy Carr
92 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:43:12
That was dire but

a quick reminder, the owner is selling the club, there's a temporary Board in place, there's no-one around to actually sack Sean Dyche.

Sean Kearns
93 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:43:13
In the entire city of Liverpool I am 100% convinced I could find a better LB and RB playing on a Sunday league field than we have in our starting 11… it’s a load of bollocks that they are the best we can get!! Guaranteed I could find a young left back tomorrow on muddy pitch that would improve us. Myko tries and young still does my head in. They only get forward because they have to, not because they want to.
Frederick Parchment
94 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:43:13
Sorry Christy, but Moyes had an elite squad to chose from when he was with Man U and lasted 10 months, so that's a big ass no from me. The only manager I'll accept back would be Carlo.
Imagine the type of players he would attract under TFG.
Mark Murphy
95 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:47:00
I’m sitting on a stationary train at Southampton Central coming to terms with this.
At no point in that game did I see us losing that. We controlled it - they were awful. It was a comfortable…..
Draw.
We never looked like winning it either.
I actually feel better than I did last week as we actually looked like a joined up football team.
But - until we realise we have to score to win a game we are doomed.
Dyche OUT - NOW!
We’re fcuking clueless!
Kim Vivian
96 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:48:33
Sean - I don't know what it is you do but I'm 100% convinced you're in the wrong job, mate.
Sean Kearns
97 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:49:01
Anyone who doesn’t want Moyes is deluded and stubborn. Have an open mind people, he finished top 6 with West ham 3 years running, they wanted a sexy foreign manager and look what happened. We can’t take risks. A top half finish would literally make our world… Moyes would have us probably 10th then I’d let him lead us to the new ground until Wazza is ready (if he’s not now)….. we need a Southgate type England scenario where someone comes in and just brings us all together again with a better feeling around the place. I would back Moyes over this fuckin gobshite any day. For those many many of us who weren’t around to see the 80’s, Moyes is the best we’ve ever had so please understand that. I’m 34, Moyes’ days and the 2009 FA cup run are the best Everton days I’ve ever seen 🥹… Martinez’s first season is the best football I’ve ever seen Everton play, that’s a fact. But the best overall times of my life was under David. Who at the time was a young up and coming manager, he’s wiser now and we would have a different version. Not that it needs to be different in any way.
John Jacques
98 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:52:15
The old Jim'll Fix it school of managers would come up with better tactics tha Dyche. It's more than embarrassing now.
Joe McMahon
99 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:52:35
Rob @91, some never wanted this fraud of a manager in the first place. Why would any Premier League team want a manager who's last achievement was getting sacked for relegating Burnley.
Christy Ring
100 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:53:44
Rob, we said the same last week, Branthwaite has to start? I'm not bothered by the negativity, because win or lose, I'll say it again, tell me what other manager in the Premiership would stand over leaving a fit Branthwaite on the bench, has he forgotten how good he was last season? Dyche has a severe problem of picking players who he managed before, instead of the BIGGER PICTURE, pick the better player?
Tony Hughes
101 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:55:58
We very rarely win under Dyche for him to get the plaudits that's the point
Frederick Parchment
102 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:56:18
Injured or not. Without Ndiaya, at least for this season, we stand very little chance of winning games.
Especially when we possess the ball around 30% a game, depend on counter attacking football and dead ball situations to score goals much less win games.
If we played a non-league side that was bottom of their division, Dyche's style and tactics would not change and make a non-league side gain 70% possession of the football score on us and ultimately win the game. We see his brand of football week in and wek out.
He needs to get out.
Jimmy Carr
103 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:57:38
It would cost a bit in compensation to lose Dyche and even appoint an interim once the new owners come in, wouldn't it? Surely the best option for them would be for Dyche to see us through to the end of the season, in the Prem obviously, financially that would make the most sense.

Anyone talking about a change right now, before the takeover is even ratified, needs to wake up and smell the coffee. In fact, I'll make it for you. It's embarrassing.

That was a dreadful performance though and whilst I've defended Dyche, it's obvious he has to go at some point. He's got no plan other than the one we see week-in, week-out. Anti-football, not good enough.

Sean Kearns
104 Posted 02/11/2024 at 18:58:26
Same team and formation every bastard week, and it rarely works… while I think he gets a decent amount from a shit squad, I think Moyes could squeeze more out by using goodison better. Moyes always a had a big dirty tackle early on In big home games to get the crowd going etc, Dyche doesn’t use goodison to its potential and it’s how I know he doesn’t get us. I suspect he may not even like us tbh and might be spiting us every week right under our noses. Does he look down on us? I get a feeling… also to spite west ham fans who I despise it would be totally hilarious if Davey has us finish above them.
Andy Crooks
105 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:02:13
I used to ask if Moyes was the best we could get for our money. It's the most fundamental question really.
I no longer think that Dyche is. I think the goodwill he banked is gone. That was utterly abject today and, in my view, utterly down to the coach.
Oliver Molloy
106 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:05:54
Even if we had drawn today my thoughts would still be

Why Dyche did not start Beto is baffling for me - Calvert Lewin just isn't at it - needs a rocket up his arse and dropped.
Why did he not start Brainwaite also ?

The tactics are don't lose, that might be acceptable for better opposition but Southampton - go win the game - just too negative for me, but as I have said many times I firmly believe he won't lead us into the new stadium and I would bet he knows this.

In saying this, fine margins - Beto's deserved more with his goal simply for the control ( for once ) and finish.
Was it offside ?
Their defender should have been sent off
Not excusing that Beto should have scored with his header.

Calvert Lewin ?
If Arsenal or Newcastle want him in January - take the money! He simply is not worth what he is allegedly looking for ( 150K ), in fact he is not worth his pay cheque right now!

Fred Quick
107 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:06:22
How long ago is it, since we used to laugh and complain about how Stoke City approached the game, we're not laughing now are we?

At least Stoke had a giant of a centre-forward who knew where the goals were and a couple of good wingers to supply him. We have neither of those assets, yet we persist in trying to get up the pitch in one ball and hope something falls our way.

Today, having just seen the very brief highlights on Sky, we could indeed count ourselves fairly unlucky to have lost the game, but our approach work needs far more method than we've seen for a good few years.

I can't think of another team in the top two English divisions who employ the same tactics and methods that Everton do, if you can name another side that does, I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

Christy Ring
108 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:07:04
How would it cost us big compensation if we sacked Dyche, his contract is finished next summer.
Brian Wilkinson
109 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:07:51
2 sugars in mine Jimmy, but I doubt I need to sniff the coffee to convince me our last ever match at Goodison park will have Dyche and his two side kicks on the touchline, that for me I am dreading.

I want to remember my final game there with a rampant Everton team, not settling for a draw, hopefully with Dyche not in charge of our farewell.

Mark Murphy
110 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:09:07
I go the game
This isn’t knee jerk
Fcuk off Dyche.
UTFT
Mike Hayes
111 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:09:37
Anyone who thinks Dyche is the answer needs to wake up and smell the coffee, hes fuckin awful, £5m a year for this abject garbage - money for old rope - get shut quick before we end up in another relegation dog fight. Moyes maybe the answer but Dyche definitely isn’t 🤷😡😡
Frederick Parchment
112 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:23:44
At home to Bournmouth took off Ndiaya, we lost. Without him against Aston Villa after 81 minutes we couldn't win.
Our history says we only win trophies with a former players as our manager.
We tried everything else but.
Ferguson interim was positive.
Not suggesting Ferguson but making a point of positive style or better yet the Everton way.
At least lose with your head high in efforts made. Cos winning was what we always expected.
Christy Ring
113 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:28:23
Just looked back at the highlights, Beto and Harrison should have buried there chances, Mykolenko completely lost for their goal and Young a mile off Armstrong, Coleman or Patterson should start next week, along with our best defender Branthwaite, I'll keep saying it, only Dyche would leave Branthwaite on the bench, especially as he's back on the GRASS for the last two weeks.
Frederick Parchment
114 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:28:47
Did I kill this thread with my last comment?
Frederick Parchment
115 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:32:12
The team lacks confidence.
This is due to the style and tactics presented to them. Hence the numerous golden chances being missed when seemed easier to score
Jimmy Carr
116 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:32:15
Mike (111) as said above, and not by me, the earliest Dyche could possibly go would be after the takeover, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

So if you're talking about sacking him now, then sorry to be blunt but you're talking shite.

Brian (109) I'd have loved Everton to play all out attacking football in our final season at Goodison, but doubt that's gonna happen, it's gonna be another backs-to-the wall relegation scrap. That's been obvious for weeks, hasn't it?

We're saddled with debt, it doesn't all go away because we have new owners. When they arrive they'll be looking at the most cost effective way of getting through this season unscathed. If that's with Dyche at the helm, do you think they'll really care what the supporters think?

Jimmy Carr
117 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:34:47
Christy (108) I assume it would cost some compensation. MIght be a clause in his contract? Either way we're not a rich club anymore, are we?
Danny O'Neill
118 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:36:30
Nearly home.

Disappointed with the result as with any defeat

No to Moyes for me. He's the past, not the future.

And that's not being deluded.

Frederick Parchment
119 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:37:19
Winning games and winning trophies fixes our financial problems period
Mike Hayes
120 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:38:03
Jimmy Carr (THE?) Then I match Dyche as he talks shite - many many fans on here are sick to their back teeth of the shite he’s serving up same players same non tactics ALL negative which makes for negative play - he’s fuckin dire - players are probably fed up with him he couldn’t organise a piss up - negative man negative tactics negative players, negative football negative fans - fuck sake wake up 😡😡
Bill Gall
121 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:42:42
Christy
maybe they should get him off the grass and maybe put him on Rum & Cokes instead. I may be wrong, but when checking for offside aren't the lines supposed to be straight and not on an angle, or is the view they show misleading
Jerome Shields
122 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:44:10
Sam#84


'I’m not sure he plays for a draw but he certainly plays the percentages, disrupting most games in the hope they’ll be settled by a set piece or lucky bounce in our favour. It can be effective for a limited team'

That is exactly what he is doing.No tactic and no definable play.He selects player who play their position according to percentage play with the aim of disrupting.

The attack is basically defensive, no overlapping full backs.Just waiting on the opposition to ebb out of the game to get forward and get a foul, corner or lucky break.Then it is dependent on a opportune shot from anyone who can shoot.

The problem with Southampton who dominate possession as they do is that they did not ebb out of the game as much and errors in Everton deep defence was enviable. Branthwaite would have helped, but Dyche will staying with his experienced pals. Southampton did ebb out to give Beto his chance, but unfortunately it was offside

Christy Ring
123 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:44:55
We had 35% possession today against the bottom team and should have won, 40% last week against Fulham, Dyche's formation and tactics are abysmal, total negativity, and what about Branthwaite? Unbelievable.
Merle Urquart
124 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:46:13
As for Beto missing from 4yds out with no keeper in sight...there is only one other forward in the PL who would have missed this too...Calvert Lewin! This striker situation or lack of them has been killing us for years...its criminal
Derek Taylor
125 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:46:50
Who is supposed to sack the manager ?

I can't see Moshiri welding the axe and he hasn't yet completed the sale to Freidman- so he's a non starter.

The interim CEO has no real power as he's just holding the fort.

So we've just got to stick it out until the future of the Club is determined.

Only at Everton

Mark Murphy
126 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:48:52
I have two addictions in my life that are currently both toxic and negative and affecting my health and happiness.
One is alcohol.
The other is Everton.
One has to go.
Pint of Guinness please mate!
Merle Urquart
127 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:51:18
Derek

I don't think Moshiri gives a shit to be honest...its highly unlikely SD is going anywhere until new ownership is fully resolved.

Rob Dolby
128 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:52:24
Fred 119 Never a truer word said. Now how do we do that?

Bring on Mbappe and vini junior instead of Coleman or Patterson.

Today's team is not far off the best that we have. I don't think a manager in world football could get a tune out of these misfits. I can see us struggling all season. Just got to hope there are 3 worse teams.

Sack Dyche and bring back Carlo, give him our full war chest of IOU's and wooden dollars and lets get back to winning trophies.

If we do sack Dyche god knows who can actually sack him but if we do, the best we could get is someone like Carsley.

Paul Birmingham
129 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:55:40
Gutted to lose, and the art of finishing and bring ruthless has been Evertons downfall again.

But why not start with two strikers from the start?

West Ham for me is a must win now.

December's fixtures are alll tough.

Vital now to get the points, where Everton should be getting them.

Today was an opportunity missed and the curse of a teams first win of the season, bites Everton again.

UTF!Ts!

Edward Rogers
130 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:56:42
Unfortunately (or fortunately?) only caught the last 20 minutes. Looked like there was only going to be one winner, and it wasn't them. Everton eh?
Could not believe he didn't start with Branthwaite!!
Would they leave Van Dickhead on the bench if available? Would Arsenal bench Saliba or Gabriel??
Talk about not helping yourself, does anybody think he does it to deliberately wind us up?
Mark Murphy
131 Posted 02/11/2024 at 19:57:36
Rob, you’re right. That team is better than the results it’s getting. That’s down to Dyche.
Enough of this he’s doing the best with the tools he has shite. That team was better than Southampton but still lost. Because of the manager.
He’s clueless and shite
Enough!
UTFT
Tony Hughes
132 Posted 02/11/2024 at 20:03:59
Or to put a twist on it Mark the team are doing the best with the tool they have in charge
Danny O'Neill
133 Posted 02/11/2024 at 20:05:11
Nearly home.

Disappointed with the result as with any defeat

No to Moyes for me. He's the past, not the future.

And that's not being deluded.

Bill Gienapp
134 Posted 02/11/2024 at 20:06:09
Dyche really painted his masterpiece with that one. Now that the majestic five-match unbeaten run has come to an end, can Branthwaite actually play now?

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