Everton 4 - 0 Wolves

In a crunch 6-pointer under the lights at Goodison Park, Everton finally found the goals they'd been sadly missing — except for Dominic Calvert-Lewin, who thought he'd scored two, but they were given as own-goals by Wolves defender Dawson.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin returns to the front line, with Orel Mangala partnering Idrissa Gana Gueye in midfield, Jesper Lindstrøm stepping down to the bench after he continues to disappoint as an attacking or set-piece threat.

Armando Broja is finally included in the senior squad for an Everton game over 3 months after he joined the club on loan from Chelsea, having spent most of that time recovering from an Achilles injury.

No need to tell you how Everton started the game, as Wolves mounted the first attack with Strand Larsen bursting down the left but his dangerous cross was mishit behind. Strand Larsen then crossed in, Branthwaite heading it behind for a corner, Gomes shooting well wide.

Wolves got forward again and Cunha tested Pickford, forcing a save low to his left. Everton finally got forward, Dcucure blasting over, but Everton were given a free-kick for a foul on Calvert-Lewin. Ashley Young took it superbly, curling it around the wall and just inside the near post! An Everton goal! Fantastic!!!

The goal was completely against the early run of play, which resumed with the black-shirted visitors continuing to run freely at the Everton defence, But Anther foul on Calvert-Lewin, another super free-kick, and another splendid goal as James Tarkowski headed it well beyond Sa. Mangala, offside, had blocked Lemina but it should never have been disallowed on review for that! VAR is absolute garbage. 

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Calvert-Lewin got forward and was played in beautifully but his attempt was too easily closed down as he failed to lift the ball with any skill or guile over the keeper's body to actually score. 

Young then played a lovely low cross that should have been perfect for Calvert-Lewin to convert but the Everton centre-forward was hanging back in his own inimitable fashion and the chance evaporated in front of him.

Strand Larsen almost scored with a ball from a throw-in but for Pickford's one-handed reaction save. Ndiaye tried to advance but his path was too easily blocked and Wolves were attacking again, a brilliant volleyed cross from Doherty somehow spurned by Strand Larsen.

But another free-kick wide right, Myklenko's shot blocked out to Orel Mangala who volleyed it, deflected through the crowd and into the net, instant redemption!

Mangala was wrongly judged to have fouled Ait-Nouri, who ran into him as the Everton midfielder backheeled the ball away from him… but that warranted a yellow card from this useless referee. 

Young again delivered a lovely cross but Calvert-Lewin was on the wrong side of the defender and could not head it. McNeil's strong shot was deflected off Lemina's head, across goal and just past the other angle. From the corner, Tarkowski's header was too close to Sa.

Doucouré completely wasted a moment when space opened up for him and the chance to shoot went to his head. Branthwaite had to be strong to hold off two attackers as the much-delayed half-time whistle blew.

Wolves restarted and won an early corner that spawned another. After clearing it, Everton got a soft corner at the other end, McNeil's superb delivery to the far post and in – a Dawson own-goal, under close attention from Calvert-Lewin (who didn't seem to touch it!). 

Calvert-Lewin tried an audacious shot wide left,  a bit like Keane's brilliant goal... except that it was way off target.  Wolves kept running at Everton, Cunha always a threat but unable to cause any real damage. 

Ndiaye scored after Calvert-Lewin had fouled Sa, and it was disallowed. Wolves hit the post with a header at the other end. Ndiaye waa ken down for another wide free-kick, McNeil delivering it nicely for a diving header from Calvert-Lewin.... only it wasn't – the last touch again a Dawson own-goal! 

Ndiaye was fouled again, this time by Gomes. Young rolled the free-kick in for Calvert-Lewin to gather, turn and shoot… wide across goal. 

Ndiaye galloped forward, his shot careening off a defender and behind for a corner taken by Harrison. Broja came on and did well to hold off two defenders before Lindstrom crossed for a perfect chance for Harrison in front of goal that he skied abysmally. 

Broja again worked hard and the ball came back again for Jack Harrison and again he blazed the ball high wide and horribly off target. But Everton had scored enough for a famous victory under the lights. 

Everton: Pickford, Mykolenko, Branthwaite, Tarkowski, Young, Ndiaye, Doucoure (83' Lindstrøm), Gueye, Mangala [Y:35'] (89' Armstrong), McNeil (74' Harrison), Calvert-Lewin (83' Broja).

Subs not Used: Virginia, Patterson, Beto, O'Brien, Coleman.

Wolves: Sa, Doherty (77' R Gomes), Dawson, Bueno (77' T Gomes), Ait-Nouri, J Gomes (85' Doyle), Andre, Lemina, Guedes (57' Hwang), Cunha, Strand Larsen.

Subs not Used: Bellegarde, Bentley, Forbs, Johnstone, Lima.

Attendance: 38,820


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Derek Knox
1 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:22:50
Not a great deal of change or thought of change or surprise gone into that team selection. There again, didn't expect anything else from Dyche.
Eddie Dunn
2 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:25:44
It's Mangala in for Lindstrom.
Conor McCourt
3 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:30:21
Don't mind that team. Should overpower them in midfield and there are goals in the frontline. He has decent options off the bench if things need to change.
Neil Lawson
4 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:32:54
What's that old adage? If it doesn't work, don't change it.
Having said that, I presume ( hope) 3 actually in midfield.
Such a dinosaur but just maybe he will get lucky tonight, although if I were Beto, I would be waiting behind DCL to punch his lights out.
Tom Bowers
5 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:34:46
Extra power in the midfield. That's where games are won and lost most of the time but it needs a wholehearted effort for 90 minutes and not just the first fifteen.

God please give us some goals !

Jim Bennings
6 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:35:08
So Dyche gives Beto a game where he was never going to excel let's be honest and then instead of persist with him he's goes back to the old tried and tested.

Great man management of players I don't think.

Mike Hayes
7 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:36:04
One change and all the regular wasters are STILL in - should have swapped them with the bench - quicker the dinosaur goes the better 🤷😡😡😡
Iain Johnston
8 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:38:36
Not convinced it's a 4-3-3.

More likely a 4-5-1.

Mike Hayes
9 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:44:26
Doesn't matter what formation he puts out, as soon as kick-off comes, it falls apart and becomes a mish-mash of hoofball.
Shaun Parker
10 Posted 04/12/2024 at 18:54:38
Dyche's stubbornness to change anything will be his downfall.

We cannot take much more of this.

Any news on Friedkin folks?

Bill Gall
11 Posted 04/12/2024 at 19:03:40
I don't think he has fooled the Wolves manager with this line-up.

It is the usual snafu Dyche tactical masterpiece.

Jack Convery
12 Posted 04/12/2024 at 19:06:37
Looks like 4-5-1 to me too.

Beto will be on his way come January, unless someone comes in with a shed load of dosh for Calvert-Lewin.

Good to see Broja on the bench, hopefully he'll get a run out when we're 4-0 up!

Clive Rogers
13 Posted 04/12/2024 at 19:25:01
The team is set up to not win.
Paul Kossoff
14 Posted 04/12/2024 at 19:25:33
Not to worry boys, two nil to us, the last of the cushion games till Forest. 👍🎅🎅🎅
Paul Kossoff
15 Posted 04/12/2024 at 19:51:51
Offside for Young's goal... twats!
Michael Kenrick
16 Posted 04/12/2024 at 20:34:24
Two goals! Should have been three... even more if Calvert-Lewin wasn't unmitigated shite as a striker.

But every time Wolves stream forward, I am extremely nervous.

George Cumiskey
17 Posted 04/12/2024 at 20:35:26
2-0 up and we've been shite, unbelievable
Ernie Baywood
18 Posted 04/12/2024 at 20:40:04
2-0. Awesome.

Can't honestly say we've been good but the goal definitely lifted us.

Can never feel safe. They've had some good chances and we'll see if our side can handle a bit of pressure.

Ernie Baywood
19 Posted 04/12/2024 at 20:43:55
Hand of God. 3-0
Ernie Baywood
20 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:07:01
We should sign Dawson.
Kieran Kinsella
21 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:22:42
Dawson MotM – unexpected selection of him by Dyche!
Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:24:15
No one has scored fewer goals than us other than the teams who have failed to score as much.
Simon Dalzell
23 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:33:11
Phew!!

Don't know why Calvert-Lewin needs a mention in Headline though. Churlish, as shite as he has been.

Graham Mockford
24 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:33:33
The most mean-spirited headline in TW history.

I think we get it, Michael – you don't like the guy… but, for fuck's sake, take the win, it's not like we have many to celebrate.

Andy Crooks
25 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:34:11
That was great. Compared to Beto, Broja is like Dennis Bergkamp. Well, so am I, I guess. This was a game Dyche saw as winnable so he opted to win it.

Harrison should be embarrassed at his performance; no one paid to play football should be as bad as that. Utterly devoid of technique.

What a difference confidence makes!

Joe McMahon
26 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:35:31
I hope Broja can stay fit, we will need him, Mangala must start more also.

Just shows what can happen when Dyche uses more of the squad.

Shaun Parker
27 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:36:32
Football's a funny old game.

Wolves were the better side for most of that match and we won 4-0 🤷‍♂️

I thought Broja applied himself well when he came on. Poor old Beto did not look happy.

Can we send Harrison back to Leeds early?

BBC say Dawson scored 2 own goals? Did Calvert-Lewin not grab the 4th then?

Brendan McLaughlin
28 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:39:05
More than pleased with that.

I have high hopes for Broja... hopefully he'll live up to them.

Andy Crooks
29 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:39:08
Shaun, seriously!? Wolves were the better side?

They were shit.

Danny Baily
30 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:41:40
Broja looked sharp. Great result.

Must win and we smashed it. 7 more of those needed.

Neil Lawson
31 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:43:23
Great 3 points but bit of a weird game. Wolves were awful defensively.

Does anyone agree that Branthwaite appeared a bit off. Couldn't sort his legs. Appeared to struggle a bit for pace. Certainly not his usual commanding self although he remained effective.

Very encouraging cameo from Broja. Very discouraging 80 minutes from Doucoure. A big unit who runs a lot and passes backwards and little else.

But, like Craig Revel Horwood; after the criticism, you have to finish with the positives. A great win. A desperately needed win. A lot of excellent performances across the team. Now back it up with a real performance on Saturday and don't revert to type.

Shaun Parker
32 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:43:47
Andy #29,

They were but they played the better football. They are not bad going forward but I agree, pretty poor in defence. I will take the win.

Kevin Molloy
33 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:45:09
Dear old Wolves, bless them. They just might make the difference come season end.

It's a comfort to know they are in the Premier League.

Graham Mockford
34 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:51:43
Shaun,

On what planet does a team lose 4-0 and have two goals against them disallowed be the better team.

They were defensively terrible. Other than Cunha, who is a top player, they were shite.

Jerome Shields
35 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:51:52
Just got the result. I was travelling with no signal. It looks like we got the run of the ball for a change all in the one match. Very welcome relief.

Gueye and Managala should start every match.

Derek Knox
36 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:55:33
Good result but not getting carried away, as AC @ 29, said Wolves were pretty awful tonight. Subs too late for me again, in a game where we had the opportunity to get the GD looking more healthy.

Harrison, two pretty easy chances fluffed, did we expect anything else? Doucoure, enough said, but no doubt he'll get picked again on Saturday. Encouraging (too) brief an introduction of Broja who has to be given a lot more time on Saturday to make a difference!

Ernie Baywood
37 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:56:12
Wolves were decent for about 30 minutes. I feel like we've been in that spot over our last couple of games. But they're an absolute shambles defensively.

I thought we improved a bit with a couple of goals under our belt. Dom put in a decent performance and it doesn't really matter whether those chances bounce in off his backside or off Dawson – we're reliant on people attacking decent set-piece deliveries and that's what he did.

Doucoure back in his 'chase around' role did exactly that and nothing more. He's dreadful but it's not like we expect anything else.

Broja was such a positive at the end. He's definitely passed the first round interview for replacing Calvert-Lewin – maybe even in January. The interview questions will get a bit tougher though.

Late on, we should have had a couple of goals from open play. Not Harrison's finest moments.

4 goals, 3 points. It's good news. And now we can start shitting ourselves about the weekend.

Martin Mason
38 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:56:20
Not much to say other than exceptional performance, 3 points, a clean sheet, a wonderful cameo from Broja and a great performance from Mangala.

I could be churlish and say that McNeil was poor and Harrison too when he came on but there's hope now for a decent performance against Liverpool. Broja could give them a lot to think about. What a shame we'll maybe never have the money to make the move permanent.

Scott Montgomery
39 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:58:59
Graham #24,

I understand what you're saying about the headline but I do share what appears to be Michaels's sheer frustration and bewilderment that Dyche continues to pick a guy who is completely unsuited to the vocation he's paid handsomely for.

I know people will defend him on the basis of the level of service he doesn't get, on his willingness to battle upfront on his own, but surely it must now be absolutely clear that offering him a new contract would be the sheerest of follies.

Delighted for the win, so desperately needed.

Christine Foster
40 Posted 04/12/2024 at 21:59:54
Great way to end the frustration, it was a must-win but they did it in style.

Got to say that Tarkowski's disallowed goal was a disgrace, in that in every single Premier League game, players are blocked without ever a foul given. Yet, for the first time that I have seen, we are penalised for an incident that was nowhere near the ball.

Chants of "Corrupt Premier League" entirely justified, I look forward to a weekend of penalties from corners... I am not disputing the block, but where is the consistency of refereeing?

Calvert-Lewin deserved a goal tonight, he played well. A shout for Young's first goal, great free kick and it took the pressure off.

Wolves' wide men delivered great balls behind us, thankfully they couldn't finish.

A great start to December, let's hope for a couple more, starting with Saturday!

Paul Smith
41 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:00:14
Good effort tonight – a much-needed win with what's ahead.

Broja looks a quality centre-forward and how we need one.

Can't believe TW is citing Craig Revel Horwood – a first!

Tony Abrahams
42 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:05:14
After being bored to tears watching Everton, I was shaking my head when reading Mike Gaynes saying we needed to sort our set pieces out.

"We need to sort more than that out" I was thinking, Mike, but that ended up being such a good call and it doesn't really matter who scored the goals, which Dominic never scored, because if he hadn't applied any pressure, I don't think those goals would have been scored.

I agree with Andy C, because Broja looked full of quality, and hopefully everyone gets a boost from tonight's win.

Niall McIlhone
43 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:06:01
The VAR decision on the Tarkowski (non) goal was harsh, there is just no consistency as I see it. Rather that go against us though than in one of the next four games.

The crowd were trying to get behind the team, but there was an underlying gasp of tension when the ball was given away, notably Doucoure was a main culprit, with sloppy passing. That said, he, Mangala and Gana as a three did persist, and the ball retention improved as the game went on.

We won't play a team with a defence as poor as Wolves until the New Year, so the emphasis must be upon keeping it tight, not wasting possession, and hoping the forwards can up their game.

Peter Moore
44 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:09:16
Great support at Goodison Park tonight. Well done, Blues. Great effort by the stands and the lads on the pitch. Well done for the manager too for outsmarting Wolves' smart-arse manager.

Not many games left before the Grand Old Lady bows out stage left. May the lads get the support needed in every home game and do the magnificent Goodison Park justice too. Onward Evertonians! 💙

Barry Williams
45 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:11:08
Just enjoy a decent win chaps - and it was a decent win. In fact, I think Everton were officiated out of a bigger win - and the pressure was on tonight - real pressure, and they came through. Criticism when they deserve it, praise when they deserve it too. A small step forward, but it is a step - and it could be a significant one.

Mangala makes the side more balanced and Young has been excellent all season - and like most, I had my doubts. McNeil was and is not at his beat, but he assisted 2 goals tonight.

A long way to go - but a comprehensive win is a comprehensive win no matter how you look at it.

Conor McCourt
46 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:11:47
Can't believe some of the comments. I'm absolutely delighted with that.

Pickford, he best keeper in the league this season beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Ashley Young, what a brilliant effort. He didn't always get the better of Cunha but what character, magnificent.

Tarkowski, what a captain's performance, led by example and marshalled everyone in sight. The two boys in midfield were imperious again.

Dyche will frustrate, his subs, his execution. Keeping Doucoure on for so long. Not sensing the danger of Cunha quick enough. But boy them players fought for him tonight. Congratulations Sean, you have made my night. That was one of the most enjoyable games of your reign.

Dominic Calvert-Lewin, take a bow, you didn't score but those own goals were because of the problems you caused all night. If he gets the service like that every game, don't worry, he will get his goals. Seeing Broja, a player I have raved about, finally putting on a blue shirt was just the icing on the cake.

What a night!

Dennis Stevens
47 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:12:11
A great start to December, Christine? That's not what I was thinking on Sunday evening!
Christopher Timmins
48 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:12:14
A hugely important result. Broja can only be a help and, if he gets himself back to the levels when he played for Southampton, he will be a huge help for the rest of the season. However, given his injury woes, we have to be cautious.

We needed a lift before what is a very difficult task on Saturday.

Colin Crooks
49 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:13:22
Well, that was an unexpected treat. It's been a while since I stayed behind to clap them off.

If you think Dyche has lost the Everton crowd, you should have heard the Wolves fans hammering Garry O'Neil, "You're getting sacked in the morning". "You don't know what you're doing" and "This is embarrassing". It's tough at the top. I like O'Neil, but I think even at this stage, they're gone.

Ashley "forever" Young was immense, MotM, for me.

Calvert-Lewin (despite the headline) received a thunderous ovation when he left the pitch. He looked interested again and ran them ragged.

But for me, the most encouraging thing was seeing Tarkowski giving out the bollockings. It's been a while and, although he was far from being foot perfect, I saw glimpses of that old warrior desire returning – pease let it be.

We seem to have spent forever on the ropes, but we're still not on the canvas.

And we'll fight fight fight
with all our might
for the boys in the Royal blue jerseys

Jerome Shields
50 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:16:08
Dyche plays Calvert-Lewin to give Everton shape and keep him in the shop window. He does an okay role for Dyche, but he has been given up on as a goal scorer. 'If you haven't a goal scorer, you need a team of goal scorers.'

Broja from reports looks the part, though he has to stay fit. He may give the support play options in that he may know where he should be positioned, run into space, inter play, and be able to finish. Calvert-Lewin and Beto have weaknesses in their forward play.

Colin Glassar
51 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:16:55
A good performance by all tonight.

It's been a long time coming.

Lee Courtliff
52 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:16:58
Jack Convey, make sure you put the lottery on this week, pal.

I was impressed with Broja when he came on, Harrison less so. But rather than critique everything, I'm just so pleased that we finally won again.

Hopefully tonight's Ding Dong with Newcastle has taken something out of Liverpool?

Mark Murphy
53 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:18:03
A most enjoyable evening for a change. I disagree with both the VAR decisions – the game is becoming non-contact and with such forensic scrutiny of every goal they could probably disallow all of them. They even looked at Mangala's goal, for fuck's sake!

Dom deserved a goal and I feel for him as he's a very very good footballer but not a clinical finisher. Excited to see what Broja can bring us – I never realised he was that big!

Three in midfield please from here in. Mangala and Gueye plus Iroegbunam or Garner when they're fit. Tarkowski was much better tonight – he got a forearm smash in the chops – where was VAR then??

Here's hoping for a happy Saturday!

John Charles
54 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:22:26
Wolves are the first team I have seen at Goodison this season that I thought are definitely worse than us. Woeful.

Tarkowski had a great game, Young also – he might be my player of the season so far. Pickford did what he does best.

On the flipside, Mykolenko was again poor, McNeil woeful and Douc did what he does.

I feel sorry for Calvert-Lewin but he should have scored regardless.

A quiet Goodison until 4 up but nerves went then!

Barry Williams
55 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:27:53
Mark Murphy @53,

''Tarkowski was much better tonight –- he got a forearm smash in the chops – where was VAR then??''

I said exactly the same at the time – two players on him – in my opinion it was deliberate.

Ian Jones
56 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:28:28
Clive @13,

Any thoughts on your comments :)

Terry Farrell
57 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:37:57
Great performance by Calvert-Lewin, Tarkowski, Young and Mangala and the rub of the green for a change but VAR does my head in. Harrison… dear me.

I still think Lindstrøm will come good and Broja impressed. Good boost before the Derby and I hope we start lively on Saturday and get the first goal.

Barry Williams
58 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:39:40
And I do believe that was only the 2nd game that Wolves haven't scored in this season – the other being the opener vs Arsenal!

Correct me if I am wrong folks!

Ernie Baywood
59 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:42:45
Christine @40 – it wasn't given as a foul (as I understand it).

Mangala was in an offside position and they deemed him to be interfering with play as he blocked and held the man closest to Tarkowski.

We'll see whether that's applied consistently. It felt a bit nitpicky to me, and I'm not convinced that Lemina could get to that ball given the flight... but Lemina would argue that he was unfairly denied that opportunity due to Mangala being offside.

I did wonder whether that being a close call might have impacted their decision to okay Ndiaye blocking the keeper for Dawson's punch into the net. The test there was a bit different – they needed to decide whether it was a foul or not. Arguably a close call again. They've said they'll target attackers blocking in the box as an offence

Mind you, the big difference tonight was actually getting the ball into dangerous positions from set pieces. We've been woeful at that lately.

Barry Williams
60 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:44:14
And we have Iroegbunam and Garner to come back, Chermiti, plus Broja to call upon. I also think there is a player in Beto too.

So, fingers crossed – things might actually pick up, and they did tonight – they really need to!

Rob Hooton
61 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:44:34
What a great tonic that was, we could easily have scored 6 or 7 (the finishes from Harrison being particularly woeful)!

I cheekily predicted that we'd thrash Wolves and then beat the shite prior to this game; I hope the second half of my prediction matches the first.

Much better, gives us hope.

Jamie Lenard
62 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:46:24
Dyche must really hate Patterson. Young had an outstanding game today and hopefully he will on Saturday.

20 minutes to go and we're cruising at 4-0, why wouldn't you save your 39-year-old right back for the weekend?

We know he's in great shape but it'll be his 3rd game in 8 days.

Tom Bowers
63 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:47:38
Wolves are awful at the back and that will always counteract decent forward play.

I would have settled for a 1-0 win – even if it was an oggie, I don't care – 3 points is vital right now.

Let's not get carried away with this scoreline. Yes, Mangala was good and nice to see Broja get 7 minutes but what's coming up will really put us to the test defensively.

Fingers crossed that there will be a few smiles.

Mike Gaynes
64 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:50:09
Tony #42, I'm not that smart, just lucky, but I was laughing through the entire game as every set-piece seemed to wind up in the back of the net, even Tarkowski's disallowed goal. We've been so miserable on dead balls but today, every delivery was just lovely... guess Dyche really did have the guys working on them the past couple of days!

Christine #40, quick correction... what the VAR and ref called was offside, not the impedance by Mangala. And offside is supposed to be called only when the player affects the play, which Mangala didn't, so that was one monumental joke. The obstruction could at least have been argued, but offside? Never.

Mark #53, as I mentioned in the Forum, in a different world Calvert-Lewin could have been a world-class centre-back. He has everything a footballer could want except the instinct to score. And agreed that the jolt Tarkowski took in the face might well have been red-worthy, and also on Broja's size and strength. I couldn't believe it when Dom went off and they met at the touchline -- Dom was looking up at him.

Jamie #62, great point and I was thinking the same.

Barry #58, yes, that's correct.

And guess what, Young is the oldest player in Premier League history to score from a direct free kick!

Bobby Mallon
65 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:51:29
Honestly how the fuck some people on here can say Wolves were the better team is unbelievable.

We battered them 4-0 – should have been 5 or 6. Give credit, for fuck's sake!

Steve Hogan
66 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:55:05
Enjoyed the game and the much needed win. Surprised at how poor Wolves were. Amazing forwards but defensively dreadful.

If Man City are relegated as a result of their massive points deducted (115 charges, anyone?), it may provide a further escape route for Everton, if needed?

Mangala and Gueye look as they could form a useful partnership, given time. Calvert-Lewin worked his bollocks off as usual, and was unlucky to have his goal chalked off; was it really necessary for the barbed criticism Michael in the headline?

We know his limitations, totally uncalled for.

Ben King
67 Posted 04/12/2024 at 22:57:48
Brilliant win!!!

We needed to win and we did – credit to the manager and the lads: 4 goals and 2 harshly disallowed. Clean sheet to boot.

Gutted for Calvert-Lewin not to score but hopefully he's saving it for the Red Shite.

Great deliveries from McNeil. With a bit of confidence, this team can be decent.

Definitely need Mangala and Gana at the base with Branthwaite and Tarkowski behind them.

Sam Hoare
68 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:06:15
Important win and a slightly better performance. Thought Young and Mangala were our best players and Broja looked sharp and enterprising in his cameo, though Wolves heads were down by then.

Dyche will have bought himself a bit more time and crucially there's a 5-point gap now to the relegation zone as we go into this very tricky run against the 4 top teams in the Premier League. If we were to get 2-3 points from the next 4 games, that would probably be a good result.

Interesting decision to make for the Friedkins but, despite tonight, I would expect them to be looking for the next man in this time next week (when supposedly the takeover will complete). More rumours today about Sergio Concecaio who would be an interesting and ambitious appointment, I think.

Peter Mills
69 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:09:13
It was a good time to be faced with a Wolves team that played some nice football but were awful defensively. We could have had 7 or 8.

Young and Tarkowski played very well, as did Mangala. Calvert-Lewin looked much more lively, and fully deserved a goal. Broja looked very decent. We can only hope the result will boost our confidence for the weekend.

Credit to the Wolves fans for shouting their derision at VAR, even when they were receiving the benefit of it. It really has had an awful impact on being at the game, we had no idea what was going on.

It felt like a forensic examination was taking place behind closed doors every time the ball went in the net, with the faceless ones looking not for a “clear and obvious error by the referee” but reasons, no matter how flimsy, to disallow a goal.

Rob Halligan
70 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:15:41
I'll tell you something, there has been some shite written on this forum over the years, but I think Shaun Parker #27, just about tops the lot… "Wolves were the better side".

They were fucking awful, probably the worst side we will face all season, and on that performance, certainties for relegation.

Thanks for the laugh, Shaun! 😂😂😂😂

Don Alexander
71 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:16:44
Three points, a clean sheet and four goals are way overdue from a squad with even our modest resources. I'm very happy, thank you.

Just watching MotD and seen "them" benefit, as eve with all of the 6 sky-babes, from two denials of cast-iron penalties and a last second full-time whistle from the latest, erm, dubious referee as Newcastle were bearing down on them with real threat.

Reminded so much of that bent bastard Clive Thomas, who denied us a win against them in a '77 FA Cup semi-final with an imaginary offside and then went on to decide a World Cup game featuring Brazil by blowing for the end of the game after Brazil scored a winner from a last-minute corner. He said extra time was up whilst the ball was in flight from the corner!

Martin Keown on MotD summed it up by saying full-time is to most true football fans only blown at the end of a play, not whilst the play is in motion... unless the team under threat is a sky-babe, as ever.

Dave Abrahams
72 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:29:36
4-0 and it could/should have been 7 for us with the chances missed and VAR — Vague And Ridiculous.

Young, Gana, Mangala, and Tarkowski were all very good tonight; Ndaiye always in the game; Dominic a bit better than his latest games but still not giving his all, for me; McNeil still off his game but involved in two of the goals; Pickford with a couple of very good saves, one of them before we scored,

Branthwaite doesn't look like he is fit, definitely not match fit; Doucoure and Mylolenko along with Harrison left me wondering how the fuck they got professional contracts, two of them reputedly on over £100,000 a week — only at Everton!

Delighted with the 4-0 win and the cameo from Broja — only a brief few minutes but looks very promising the way he controlled the ball, used his weight and provided three chances for the Leeds loanee, two of them absolute sitters, and a half chance he managed to some how cock up — mind you, he never surprises anyone with how poor he is.

On to Saturday and who knows?

Ernie Baywood
73 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:32:34
One for the xG lovers.

We had an xG of 1.02 to Wolves 0.79.

Battered them!

Brian Williams
74 Posted 04/12/2024 at 23:55:24
Some real corker posts early in the thread.

There really are some beauts that post on here.

Barry Rathbone
75 Posted 05/12/2024 at 00:10:41
Well in, Blues – just need to keep snaffling points here and there to keep the wolf from the door (Ithangkew).

Without new players, no magic formula exists: it doesn't matter who the manager is, we are on a tightrope walk to the end of the season and no amount of knee-jerking will change it.

Jimmy Carr
76 Posted 04/12/2024 at 00:14:45
Yep, there are some absolute beauts who post on here. Where's that dickhead who was saying Dyche's management of Calvert-Lewin was 'irrational' this morning? He really knows his stuff.

I don't see many people on here questioning Young's involvement these days either.

Onwards and upwards, I'd love us to somehow beat the Scandis at the weekend; after scoring four tonight, we might even think we can do it.

Dyche has finally cottoned on to playing three in the middle of the park. There's still hope.

Peter Moore
77 Posted 05/12/2024 at 00:34:02
Well said, Jimmy Carr. It's easy to moan and be negative.

No investment for 5 years. Does Dyche bemoan the lack of support and use it as an excuse? No.

He is no Pep of course, but an honest and honorable custodian doing his very best for Everton FC he most certainly is.

That his team got full support from Goodison tonight played a massive part in the resounding win. The atmosphere will of course be fervent for the visit of our bastard offering on Saturday at 12:30 pm.

May the lads again do the great support justice. May luck be on our side for a change and, in the last home league derby at Goodison Park, may we record a historic and special victory.

Mark Taylor
78 Posted 05/12/2024 at 00:42:08
That didn't strike me as a 4-0 on the balance of play but I'll take it. It helps that Wolves' defence is so woeful, Keystone Cops, even if they are handy going forward.

Calvert-Lewin does a lot of decent stuff except finish. I'd forgive him not getting on the end of Young's 'low cross', he'd have been offside had he tried, but the shot shortly after when he was played through shows he is just not a natural finisher. You just would never expect a goal from him in such a position. But I think we all know that by now.

Credit to Mangala, he seems to be settling in to a degree that Lindstrøm isn't, though I really would like Iroegbunam back to take over from the non-footballer that is Doucuré.

But the most credit goes to where it is due, to Young. While I have a horrible feeling he is going to be badly exposed in the next few weeks against the seriously strong sides, he has perhaps been our best player to this point and, whatever else, he is little short of a miracle at close on 40. A real pro.

John Raftery
79 Posted 05/12/2024 at 00:53:33
Mark (78),

You're right, it should have been 6-0.

Ian Linn
80 Posted 05/12/2024 at 01:26:28
Very difficult to agree with the decisions to disallow the two goals, especially the first one.

Just because we have VAR doesn't mean every goal has to be scrutinized to look for a reason to chalk it off. No 'clear and obvious error' by the ref in either case.

Laurie Hartley
81 Posted 05/12/2024 at 01:28:20
That was a relief!

Young played a blinder and deserves a lot of praise for his performance tonight. I am not certain but I think we covered 102 kilometres tonight – 10.2 of them Managal… 9.2 of them Young!

What an effort from a 39-year-old.

John Keating
82 Posted 05/12/2024 at 01:57:40
Just back and had too much!! Tonight the result was all that mattered.

Really we should have had a positive goal difference. However, a 1-0 would have been welcome!

I aid from Day 1, VAR is ruining our game. Everyone one around just jumped with Tarkowski's goal. As soon as we saw VAR check, we knew the outcome.

The game as we know it is finished.

Paul Ferry
83 Posted 05/12/2024 at 03:34:31
Jamie Lenard @62:

"Dyche must really hate Patterson. Young had an outstanding game today and hopefully he will on Saturday."

Your second sentence is not exactly the strongest support for the point you are trying to make in your first sentence.

Alan J Thompson
84 Posted 05/12/2024 at 03:44:44
I've just finished watching the game for the first time and have not read any reports or comments above.

I thought it was an entertaining game (probably because we won and scored 4) between two scrappy sides with some mediocre onfield refereeing and some poor involvement by VAR.

I was surprised that Doucoure kept his place but Lindstrøm had to be dropped.

I noticed just before the kick-off that Wolves had seven players on their left and we of course passed the kick-off back to Pickford who then went long to exactly where Wolves had those seven players.

Young then surprised probably everyone by not only taking the free-kick but also finding the back of the net. We then had the farce of VAR disallowing a goal for something that goes on at every set piece and corner ; if they are going to get involved, then it has to be on every occasion – not just when a goal is "scored".

I was surprised when Broja came on as I suppose we now have to start paying his wages but he looked quite good on the little we saw of him. I thought we were a bit late with some of the substitutions and that Armstrong could have been given a lot longer on the pitch.

I was also surprised that Dawson had 2 own-goals against him while on Saturday Rashford was credited with what looked like more of a Branthwaite own-goal.

If Leeds are promoted next season, I take it that will be the last loan of Harrison… and Lindstrøm hasn't shown enough to be kept on.

Still, a better display as we seemed to get more men forward when we attacked… but again, a game between two quite ordinary sides.

Ian Linn
85 Posted 05/12/2024 at 03:44:59
Just watching the replay…

Wolves must be shite 'cos we look quite good.

Ernie Baywood
86 Posted 05/12/2024 at 03:46:27
I think his third and fourth sentences made it pretty clear what he meant though, Pa.

I tend to agree thatul Young has been good in this last run of games. And deserves a lot of credit considering his age.

But has he been that good? He's still getting caught by the ball in behind him, as you would completely expect of a near 40-year-old. And this last run of games has coincided with a substantial weakening of the opposition where he hasn't been tested as much as he will be over the next few games.

We also still have the issue that we can't get our full-backs involved in play further up the pitch in games that we need to force a bit more. In Mykolenko's case, it's because he doesn't know what to do; in Young's case, it's because he'll get picked off trying to get back.

Mykolenko is definitely the bigger problem. He just reduces the quality in the side and is a serious weak link. I'd play Young over on the left just for his experience but I'm not expecting his good form to continue when he's up against tougher opposition. Father time is undefeated.

Ernie Baywood
87 Posted 05/12/2024 at 03:51:52
Alan 84 – blocking and holding goes on at every free-kick, but I doubt it's too common that an offside player would do it.

At the time, I thought it was pretty nitpicky, but in hindsight, I think it's the right call. Mangala's sole purpose is to block the player marking Tarkowski. Even if the blocking isn't enough for an offence, he did it from an offside position. I don't think you can argue he wasn't active in that phase of play.

Blocking from an offside position is pretty lazy too. It's much easier to do it that way and get the player as they move towards goal, as opposed to putting the work in earlier on Lemina on the defensive line.

Paul Ferry
88 Posted 05/12/2024 at 04:30:02
Just took a look, Ernie, and you're right.

Sorry, Jamie.

Alan J Thompson
89 Posted 05/12/2024 at 04:36:20
Ernie (#87); I agree with you but the point I was trying to make is that VAR either keeps out of it or gets involved every time, not just when the ball hits the back of the net.

Or even better, is only called on when the onfield Referee asks for assistance similar to Rugby League where the Ref (maybe even Linesmen) requests a review usually of something in particular, or VAR gives us some better explanation for involvement than "clear and obvious error".

Mind you, there does seem to be players in an offside position behind the "wall" at every free-kick but it isn't called unless they, usually, interfere by playing the ball and not just obstructing the wall.

Oh, and as an afterthought, why didn't the Ref view it on the pitchside monitor?

Steve Brown
90 Posted 05/12/2024 at 04:43:59
Delighted with that.

Everton fans are very supportive – even if the team are not playing well, they will back the players provided they show commitment and effort.

Play like that on Saturday and you never know.

Ernie Baywood
91 Posted 05/12/2024 at 05:04:34
He did go and view it, Alan.

I definitely don't want VAR involved every time. The game would never finish. But that goal could have been the difference between us and Wolves going down... they're going to check it.

Even though I'm not particularly vociferous in my agreement with the decision, it does look like Mangala put himself in that position in order to block the player.

Alan J Thompson
92 Posted 05/12/2024 at 05:07:16
I must haved missed that, Ernie, during one of the many freeze frame moments I get most of the time.
Matt Smith
93 Posted 05/12/2024 at 05:11:11
Broja is a unit. He wouldn't look out of place on a rugby field. Mind you, Beto has a similar build.

Harrison would be dropped from my son's U-16 side if he played like that.

Defenders are on to Ndiaye's tricks – he lost the ball too much, although there were also moments of brilliance.

Dyche has had a few of these games where the losing coach will most likely lose their job, but he manages to find a way to survive.

Steve Brown
94 Posted 05/12/2024 at 05:11:36
As I understand it, Tarkowski's goal was disallowed because Mangala was offside. Therefore, if Mangala had blocked the defender's run from an onside position, then the goal would have stood.

Basis that, Mangala was offside and became active in the play by not committing a foul? That is some complex logic there.

VAR should not be getting involved in marginal decisions like this. Leave it to the onfield decision by the referee.

Ernie Baywood
95 Posted 05/12/2024 at 06:19:58
Steve, I'll guess that VAR would have considered whether it was a clear and obvious error. It would seem a harsh call to say that missing that coming together was a clear and obvious error that needed overturning.

Similarly, they didn't intervene for Ndiaye's block on the keeper for the third goal, or for Calvert-Lewin's challenge for the other disallowed goal (which I thought was pretty weak from the keeper).

The difference is that the officials presumably deemed at the time that Mangala was in an offside position but not interfering with play... which might be a clear and obvious error given that he did have an impact on the play.

It's all a bit technical, borderline and therefore unsatisfactory. But, personally, I do think it's right in this case. Mangala had a job to do there and he did it from an offside position.

Si Cooper
96 Posted 05/12/2024 at 06:47:50
Ernie storming it on this thread.

I heard it called subjective offside; it seems Mangala can't get away with even a moderate block because he takes up an offside starting position to do it. The widespread arms probably don't help.

I thought we were decent but the scoreline flatters us. Most games, you are not going to get that badly positioned wall allowing us that early goal. They certainly weren't too far away from converting some half chances before we had developed a good cushion on the scoreboard.

Wolves have had a really challenging fixture list apparently and I think their manager would be harshly treated if he lost his job due to loads going right for us offensively for a change.

It's difficult to criticise Ashley Young because he still has quality but I think it's fair to wonder whether he is a hindrance as well as a help.

I thought having Ndiaye in front of him worked out beautifully for nullifying their left flank but it isn't Ndiaye's best position for attacking. There may not be a clearly better option at right-back but there are players who may give something clearly different.

Mangala, Gueye, Garner and Iroegbunam (when all are fit) have to be our prime options for the midfield positions.

Doucoure is willing but the most limited of the lot (apart from his historic knack of getting in goal-scoring positions). He plays too many passes straight back to where they came from and keeps running too often when clearly well offside.

Most concrete conclusion from this game — a welcome bit of a positive buzz to take into the derby.

Mark Murphy
97 Posted 05/12/2024 at 07:26:22
So, based on that (Ernie @87), were we lucky that Calvert-Lewin's header vs Liverpool in April was allowed to stand? Tarkowski definitely blocked Van Dijk (and admitted it was planned afterwards).

At the time, Van Dijk complained but no Wolves player complained last night. We're being scrutinised more than others imho.

Nigel Scowen
98 Posted 05/12/2024 at 07:47:04
Shaun @27,

Not sure why you are surprised or can't understand that result.

Yes, they had a couple of chances (neither as good as the two chances Harrison flunked) but it was the worst defensive performance I think I've ever seen from top-flight opposition.

Wolves were dreadful and even their own supporters thought so.

Nigel Scowen
99 Posted 05/12/2024 at 07:52:49
Completely unnecessary headline Michael.

Celebrate the win, of which Calvert-Lewin played his part.

Liam Mogan
100 Posted 05/12/2024 at 08:47:58
Bizarre that some could watch that game and think Wolves were the better side. Whilst they had more possession, after the first 20 minutes, they created little. As others have mentioned, their defensive display was truly atrocious. Football isn't, and never will be, just about passing and going nowhere.

A well-deserved win for the Blues. Winning football games involves identifying weaknesses in the opposition and taking advantage. We did that on set-pieces last night and, if we had a bit more guile in open play, it could have been double.

Tony Abrahams
101 Posted 05/12/2024 at 08:49:14
Didn't we get pulled up the other week for something similar? My mind has gone blank, but that's two of these decisions that have gone against Everton, if my memory isn't playing tricks with me…

Way too many of these very, very, very subjective decisions are open to interpretation, which means certain teams can keep getting away with it whilst other teams keep getting punished for it and this is definitely how it sometimes feels.

I know I'm a scratched record but how can we help these officials find consistency? There's only one genuine answer imo (mic up the refs, ala Rugby) but, for some reason, nobody wants to engage.

Kim Vivian
102 Posted 05/12/2024 at 09:24:36
Steve @90,

Actually, If we play like that on Saturday, it will be a massacre. We were dispossessed and gave the ball away to our usual standards.

It was lovely to watch and see 4 home goals at Goodison for the first time in however many years but I do wish we could start scoring from open play. We had chances to do that last night but we take one touch too many, take an extra second to engage brains to feet, or just waste the chances.

Quite how Jack Harrison managed to put both his gilt edge chances straight up in the air defies belief. Lovely fella, I'm sure, but that was one of the worst 15-minute cameos I have ever witnessed.

Having said that, I did not expect to keep a clean sheet against Wolves although I did in a couple of moments of madness (or drink influenced) predict we would score 4.

We showed some nice but brief moments of skill and some really entertaining close quick passing football. Great to watch and the clean sheet was a bonus.

So on to Saturday. Obviously every game is winnable but I shall watch with some trepidation. As for predictions, I'm not going there but the confidence boost from last night gives me hope that we at least lift a point on Saturday.

I think Broja has to play a big part. Can he play as a No 10 with Calvert-Lewin? That would be nice to see but not happening with Dyche. And I don't think he will get the nod over Calvert-Lewin despite probably being the bigger goal threat. I was very impressed with his brief outing last night.

It's a nice feeling this morning for a change. Even the weather isn't getting me down.

Colin Crooks
103 Posted 05/12/2024 at 09:25:08
Not sure why people are struggling with the Tarkowski "goal". You all see it every week.

When somebody strays so blatantly offside (as Mangala did), you know he is there solely as a blocker. You know the ball is going over his head to the area he is "protecting".

If Mangala had been a little more subtle, the ploy would have been perfectly executed.

Just about everyone in football knows that the guy who has walked into the offside position is going to block the defender who is responsible for defending that area. That's why they are so closely scrutinised.

Blocking or fouling is in the eye of the beholder and leads to all sorts of inconsistencies with the officials. This makes it "worth a go". Especially to dead-ball dependent teams like us - You win some. You lose some.

Nothing to see here. At least nothing you won't see at least twice on MoD every week.

Michael Kenrick
104 Posted 05/12/2024 at 09:39:45
"Goals aplenty for Blues but not for Calvert-Lewin"

Sorry, you'll have to help me here... where exactly is the "mean-spirited", "churlish", "barbed criticism" in that headline? I think it would be hard for any neutral to dispute what is a simple and indisputable statement of fact.

Which belies not only the hidden history here, but the incredible irony of what played out on the grass last night.

As I mentioned at half-time (@16), our imperious centre-forward had already spurned three pretty worthwhile opportunities from open play — when the ball had been put on a plate for him.

But of course many of his acolytes continue to claim that the obvious and completely understandable reason he fails to score with such impressive consistency is that he gets 'no service'. Yeah, right.

So imagine the unbounded joy all round in the second half as he stormed forward through a crowded goal area, launched himself salmon-like above everyone, to power the ball emphatically from a brilliant free-kick into the back of the net! Fantastic!

Except for one small detail: the ball actually flew right past his head!!! — he missed it completely — and instead, it was the raised hand of hapless defender Craig Dawson behind him that diverted the ball goalward. Quelle dommage! Own Goal Number 1.

No matter, for there was an even better move still to come. A low ball teasingly swung in to the near post, Calvert-Lewin alert and laser-like in his focus on seeing another chance to finally break his months-long goal-drought, launching himself almost horizontally in a diving header of almost Andy Gray-like import and drama, powering the ball unerringly in off the post!!! Fantastic!!!

Except for one small detail: the ball actually flew right past his head!! Again!!! — he missed it completely — and instead, it was the raised foot of hapless defender Craig Dawson behind him that diverted the ball goalward. Quelle dommage! Own Goal Number 2.

The pathos… the irony... you really just could not make it up! Talk all you like of Fantasy Football… but this was real. Goals aplenty for Everton — despite that utterly bizarre xG of only 1.02 — but none for Calvert-Lewin!

Story of the night. Story of our season. Story of our 'striker' since Carlo sadly departed these shores.

Oh, and we're left to mull over this remarkable statistic: Wolves defender Craig Dawson has now scored more goals at Goodison this season than our own centre-forward!!!

Nigel Scowen
105 Posted 05/12/2024 at 09:46:38
Not a big fan then, Michael; well, he will be gone soon.

I'll bet Dawson didn't enjoy playing against him last night.

Brian Harrison
106 Posted 05/12/2024 at 09:53:34
We just had to win last night, just to give our supporters a lift and put some daylight between ourselves and the Bottom 3.

I don't think I can ever remember a side winning 4-0 and their front 4 being the worst players in the team. Ashley Young was my MotM, closely followed by Mangala and Gueye.

It just highlights how wrong Dyche was to leave Mangala out. He and Gueye complement each other in midfield, so whatever other changes Dyche makes, I hope he sticks with these 2 in midfield.

I know he delivered some brilliant crosses from dead ball situations but McNeil was dreadful, misplaced most of his passes, and when he lost possession, didn't run back to try and get it back. I think this experiment of him playing in the No 10 role needs to be ditched.

I said that Ndiaye would excite and frustrate and last night, apart from one or two situations, was one of frustration, but I back any player who always looks to take on the opposition if on some occasions it doesn't always work out.

Doucoure always puts a shift in but there is very little quality in his play.

Calvert-Lewin worked hard closing down their defenders and forced 2 errors from Dawson to help us score 2 goals.

When Dyche made the substitutions, I think everybody was curious to get their first glimpse of Broja in a Blue shirt, and what an impact he made. Now we may have to temper our excitement as he was playing against a team 4-0 down and looking a bit demoralised. But his runs behind their defenders we haven't seen all season and he laid on what should have been 2 certain goals for Harrison.

Despite my criticism of our front 4, I was relieved and delighted with the result. Hopefully Broja may be considered as a possible starter for Saturday alongside Calvert-Lewin with Ndaiye playing just behind them.

Yes, I know Dyche will never be that bold, so it will be the same starting lineup on Saturday as it was last night. But we will need to be sharper than we had to be last night.

Mark Murphy
107 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:00:43
”Mic up the refs, ala Rugby) but, for some reason, nobody wants to engage.”

It's in case they call Klopp a cunt, mate.

Christine Foster
108 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:11:49
So here is the question: if we are capable of playing on the front foot, against the lesser teams in the Premier League, why haven't we?

Clearly it's tactical decisions in how we set up, play and in who to use and where, which would confirm it's been Dyche's tactics and player utilization at question?

It feels like someone said let's just try to attack... Of course, Wolves are not Arsenal or Man City, different class, but it is an important confidence booster ahead of the games coming up.

Graham Mockford
109 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:12:34
Michael,

We'd already got it. You don't like him, but the point is it seems very strange that, after our biggest win in years, you should have to highlight that dislike in your headline.

And then compose an essay to support your point when most posters were just pointing out enjoy the win.

After all you are probably going to get plenty of opportunities this month to slag the lad off.

Brian Harrison
110 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:27:54
Last night both sets of fans were annoyed with the intervention of VAR, and rightly so. I can't think of any other change to the rules that have had such a negative effect on the game. Every goal comes under the closest scrutiny and miniscule decisions are being made which affect the result of the game, and we were told it was only for clear and obvious mistakes, which no longer applies.

But let's remember Wolves put forward a motion to scrap VAR but the majority of clubs voted to keep it. I now don't get out of my seat when we score as I know VAR will scrutinise every element and this will take 3 or 4 minutes, while us paying idiots can't see or hear what is being discussed but Sky viewers can see what they are looking at and know the decision before those of us at the game.

They obviously won't scrap it so, as match going supporters, we need to demand we see and hear what VAR are checking like they do in other sports.

Steve Brown
111 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:38:09
Kim @ 102, I was referring to the commitment and effort mentioned in my second paragraph rather than the performance.

I take it for granted that this team cannot look after the ball, but getting on the front foot and playing with energy and intensity gives you a chance.

Now that we have these 3 points banked, I want us to take the game to Liverpool as we did at the last Goodison Derby. But, my guess is that Sean Dyche will aim for a draw this time around.

Trevor Powell
112 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:42:50
Am I becoming repititive? Will someone coach Calvert-Lewin to lift the ball over the goalie?

Yet again, he has his chance one-on-one and hits it along the ground. Clearly, he thinks that Premier League goalies and the coaches have not noticed this!

Kunal Desai
113 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:42:51
We've had this moment in a number of seasons now and when it reaches a critical juncture we seem to dig out performances. Forest last season and Wolves yesterday just two examples.

Top performance, aside from the first 10 minutes Everton controlled the game. It should have been a lot more, on another night I believe both Tarkowski and Ndiaye goals stand. Both get given and we've seen those given in the Premier League.

Jack Harrison, dear lord.

Some momentum hopefully built going into the derby.

Kim Vivian
114 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:50:07
Steve - Ok fair enough. I took that at face value. This win gives us a little hope and I pray results can continue positively especially with the crowd on side, but...

Sorry, don't want to add my further thoughts.

Conor McCourt
115 Posted 05/12/2024 at 10:50:40
Michael@105

Story of our striker since sadly Carlo left these shores

Sorry Michael your little rant there about FACTS was reminiscent of a certain manager who ironically is the one with whom YOUR facts are factually incorrect.

Under Benitez Dominic played 4 full games and a 70 minute cameo in which he scored 3 goals in consecutive games. Although only a short space of time this was Dominic's best goal to minutes ratio under any manager.

He scored 2 in 4 for Duncan Ferguson and 24 in 53 for Carlo Ancelottii.

These are 3 managers who played to Dominic's strengths. But don't forget he had persistent injuries under Lampard and Dyche which clearly affected both his performance and output. These are 2 managers who also didn't use Dominic to best effect. Lampard tried to out football teams while under Dyche he is often an isolated figure and gets little output from our full backs which was so prevalent under his best years when Digne was a great asset for him.

You may be right that we won't see the numbers he produced under Carlo again, you are certainly right that he has always been one of the poorest one on one strikers around. Dominic is a confidence player and if he continues to get balls like he did against United by Patterson or deliveries like last night he is still more than capable of being a 10-15 man per season.

Steve Brown
116 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:04:23
Good explanation Ernie - I don’t think it was a clear and obvious error as you say. If it was, the decision would be reached quickly.

If the same rationale is applied to all corner kicks in the premier league this season, then I will be amazed.

It is the over-reach and inconsistency of VAR that pisses fans off.

Steve Brown
117 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:06:41
Kim, no problem.

I find reading the whole post properly helps with comprehension.

Raymond Fox
118 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:09:06
So we win a game- I don't see any well done Dyche.
If we had lost it, it would have been sack the manager its all his fault.

The 'I hate Dyche serial posters' seem to be missing bar 1 or 2 in the thread. Still no credit though.

I'd say results are down to 70% players,10% manager & 20% luck.

Steve Brown
119 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:17:03
Conor @ 117.

I think Calvert-Lewin would have to get on the end of his own headed flick-ons, and then finish his own crosses for him to score regularly in the current tactical set-up.

He will score regularly next season for his next team.

Steve Hogan
120 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:19:25
Michael (105)

Did you really have to write a dissertation (including BOLD type) to defend your criticism of Calvert-Lewin?

Of course, all the posters on here disappointed at the somewhat childish rant are being 'over-sensitive', and you had to put them right, giving all the salient points of how just bad a striker he is.

We all know his limitations, are you that frustrated that you need to mount a personal attack?

Totally unnecessary.

Barry Cowling
121 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:23:03
I can't understand how VAR can take so long over decisions, if it takes them 5 minutes to make a decision then it is not clear and obvious, so you stick with referee's decision.

Also reading some of the comments on here, I was thinking I must have watched a different game and Calvert-Lewin had scored a hat-trick, he had at least 6 good chances and converted none of them.

Beto should have started, there were 2 good balls played through to Calvert-Lewin that Beto would have relished, and surely scored one of them.

All I read is how Calvert-Lewin worked hard for the team, Beto does that all the time, it should be a prerequisite.

I won't say anything about Harrison's misses because I am sure he will be furious with himself, but a well-deserved win that gives us some much-needed confidence.

Joe McMahon
122 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:35:07
Barry @123,

It's strange that there are sections of the fanbase that still makes excuses for him, and counter argue well he works hard. It's bizzare that such a non-scoring striker is lauded so highly.

I really do feel sorry for Beto, he never will get a chance here, and will leave. Players have to be given chances, particularly when regular first-team ones fail.

Nothing new though is it, Lookman springs to mind.

Tom Bowers
123 Posted 05/12/2024 at 11:57:32
Working hard is all a player can do when the goals are not flowing.

In the last two seasons, neither Calvert-Lewin nor Beto have been able to find the net enough and I think soon enough both may be let go.

Calvert-Lewin had one decent season, got a bad injury, and has not found his touch since, but is very effective in the air.

Beto is strong and less mobile and just hasn't had enough playing time to establish himself.

With Broja coming in and Chermiti hopefully before the next eclipse there may be more goals… but not just yet.

Still, Mangala could be a godsend in midfield if the others support him.

Eddie Dunn
124 Posted 05/12/2024 at 12:16:18
If VAR thought it was okay to wipe off Tarkowski's header for blocking then later on Calvert-Lewin was blocked by two players when attempting to get to a cross. Neither player played the ball, they just blocked him. There is no consistency.

The fact that Mangala (who had been offside) blocked a defender who might have been heading towards the far post was surely mitigated by the fact that Tarkowski still managed to outjump three defenders in scoring his header. So what makes them think that a different defender would have got higher than their other three?

As Spock would say, it was "highly illogical".

Jay Harris
125 Posted 05/12/2024 at 12:17:41
It may be me but I thought we were dreadful last night; it's just that Wolves were even worse – especially at the back with a bag-of-nerves goalie and a well-past-it centre-back.

Pickford also made some brilliant saves at key moments.

I hate to even consider it but, if we play like that against Liverpool, it will not be 4-0 to us.

The only players who I thought played well were Pickford, Young, Tarkowski and Mangala. Oh and Broja when he came on.

Hopefully the result will give them a bit more confidence and we won't see as many woeful passes.

Oh and Lyndon I can't get on ToffeeWeb on my iPhone but can on my iPad. Is there a fix?

Mark Taylor
126 Posted 05/12/2024 at 12:24:27
In defence of Michael K,

I don't think he is making a 'personal attack' but I guess it's a thin line between that and heavy (but warranted) criticism.

If it's anything like my feelings, it's more of a frustration that Calvert-Lewin isn't as good as we had perhaps hoped he would be. He is not a natural goalscorer and I'm not sure if that is down to lack of talent, application or confidence – probably a bit of both 1 and 3.

Having come to terms with that reality, I can still recognise some of the good things he provides and he leads the line better than some could in such a poor team. He is obviously off shortly and maybe that is also having an impact, but it will be interesting to see how he fares in a different (better?) team.

But I suspect it won't be like Gordon, who was very much the unfinished article when he left here, whereas I think Dom is more a 'what you see is what you will get' type player. I'm not as convinced as he seems to be that this is enough to attract Top 6 or Top 8 sides.

Ernie Baywood
127 Posted 05/12/2024 at 12:28:55
Mark 97 - Tarkowski wasn't in an offside position for Calvert Lewin's goal against them. It was a corner.

It's not a like-for-like situation, except that neither Tarkowski nor Mangala were punished for committing a foul.

Eddie Dunn
128 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:01:17
Jay, I agree with you.

Mangala, Young and Pickford were great. Gana did okay, Branthwaite a bit patchy. Tatrkowski was good and bad. Mykolenko average, and Dominic did okay.

However, McNeil was dreadfull, couldn't pick a pass and coughed up possession time and again. Doucoure ran around and was a nuisance to both teams and Harrison gave us a cameo unworthy of a pro footballer. Broja reminded me of the skillset that a centre-forward needs.

We did win handsomely but Wolves had plenty of chances. I think we will get some confidence from it though and anything is possible with the shite looming large. Who knows what this group will do next time out?

John Chambers
129 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:02:53
Jay to me it was the typical “Game of two halves”. first half could have easily been 4-4 but in the second half confidence had clearly grown and we could easily have scored 2 or 3 (Ndiaye disallowed goal and Harrison!) more than we did with Wolves only really threatening once so I do think it was an improved performance.

That said there were some areas that show there are still considerable improvements to come, Branthwaite was poor again, Mykolenko plays (possibly under instruction?) far too narrow, McNeil had one of those games when things don't happen for him (set-pieces excepted) and Doucoure is obviously allergic to passing to a Blue shirt!

Hopefully the confidence from last night will help improve coming performances.

Raymond Fox
130 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:03:55
Michael is sticking to his opinion come what may, just like most of us do.

I think Dyche is doing as well as the circumstances allow and I'm sticking to it. Others think Dyche is crap and won't budge.

Is Branthwaite overrated? I've said before you need more than a season to judge a player properly.

Michael Kenrick
131 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:15:22
Graham @109,

I was at pains to explain how the headline was simply a statement of fact. You have not refuted that but repeat your strange claim that it conveys 'dislike'. I remain curious as to exactly how that purely factual statement highlights any dislike of Calvert-Lewin? Please at least have the good grace to explain.

Steve @120,

Slightly different point as you call it 'barbed criticism'. My 'dissertation' was an attempt to explain the factual headline in the context of what transpired during the game, and I don't see that it involves any criticism of the player.

I'm simply relating what happened last night. The headline is a simple factual summary. Please at least have the good grace to explain exactly how that headline constitutes criticism?

Mick O'Malley
132 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:21:05
Having watched the goals again, I thought the 2 disallowed goals were harshly ruled out.

The amount of time to disallow the first one was ridiculous, which to me says it wasn't plain and obvious, and the second one Calvert-Lewin hardly touched the keeper, very harsh IMO.

Good to see some goals again, especially under the lights at Goodison. Mangala must stay in the team. Good to see Broja get some minutes, I thought he done well.

Cracking free kick by Young and a good win all round to open a gap up to the relegation places before our tough run of games. Onto the RS Saturday, COYB

Mark Murphy
133 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:26:36
We won 4-0 and it could have been 6. We deserved to win and looked decent, and at times even very good.

The only “negative” I have got from last night is now I'm nervous about Saturday again whereas before it was a free hit!

It's the hope that kills you! But then again, we did it last time…

Dave Lynch
134 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:28:32
That was much better performance. We never stopped going at the for 90 minutes despite being 4 up.

Young was immense imo, those 2 disallowed goals were very debatable. Calvert-Lewinjust held his ground and the keeper charged him IMO... the first one, well Arsenal and Liverpool have been getting away with that blocking tactic all season.

Another point, that ref blowing up when Newcastle were on the breakaway was disgraceful.

Nigel Scowen
135 Posted 05/12/2024 at 13:41:50
One comforting observation for me about last night was how bad Wolves were.

Some make the point about Pickford's great saves but, in reality, he, by his own high standards, would have been very disappointed if any of them had got past him. Wolves were last.

Same when we played Ipswich away, they were rubbish.

Okay, Southampton beat us but look back at how furious people on ToffeeWeb were, we dominated the game and should not have lost… in fact,we should have won. Doesn't matter anyway, they are not catching us.

The only team down there who I think will possibly catch us is Crystal Palace and I think we will both finish higher than West Ham.

My prediction for relegation remains the 3 promoted sides and we have them all to play at home. I also think you will be safe on 33 points.

Barry Williams
136 Posted 05/12/2024 at 14:15:04
Michael Kenrick - 131

Michael - appreciation for the splendid job you do, and getting the reports out there so quickly and/or in real time, allowing people to comment.

As Evertonians we have had so little to be positive about - so, after a 4-0 win, maybe something in the headline that highlighted something positive in the display like Young Rolls Back the Years - or the fact the Young became the oldest scorer in the premier league of a direct freekick (though I know the premier league was not the start of football in this country - despite what they want you to think), or even the fact that this was only the 2nd game this season in which the opposition kept a clean sheet against Wolves.

There were loads of positives last night - and boy - do Evertonians need them at the moment!

Graham Mockford
137 Posted 05/12/2024 at 14:17:13
Michael,

Do me a favour. We win 4-0 but your main takeaway in your headline is that Calvert-Lewin didn't score.

You therefore picked him out despite Harrison missing two sitters and Doucoure playing like his laces were tied together. I would say that points to you not liking him.

Your subsequent post certainly reinforces that opinion.

My view was he led the line pretty well but missed some chances which has definitely been a recurring theme this season but I'm not quite sure it merits the opprobrium he gets.

Nigel Scowen
138 Posted 05/12/2024 at 14:24:25
Graham @137

Also you could well argue that his presence forced the two errors leading to the two own goals. Not sure he was given sufficient credit for that.

Brian Wilkinson
139 Posted 05/12/2024 at 14:54:42
Never got chance to post last night but big thumbs up to the players, they rolled their sleeves up and got a deserved victory.

Dom came in for some stick but I thought he had one of his best games last night, so unlucky not to be credited with his diving header. I was in the Park stand so didn't get a close-up of it, was his header going wide but deflected in? If not then he should be credited with the goal, if it was on target.

We also saw last night how much better we are, when we have Gueye and Mangala in midfield, Ashley Young has been outstanding these last few months, pinged a beauty of a ball across the box first half but not one Everton player getting on the end of it.

I've been very critical of our style of play and work rate, but most of all our previous set pieces from corners and free kicks, last night we got it spot on.

I think a big plus was when Broja came out, he looks everything that Beto is not, could have had 2 assists last night only for Harrison to have found Gueye's shooting boots.

I mentioned Sunday after being 4-nil down, Dyche threw both Patterson and O'Brien on and would he have put them on had we been winning 4-nil? We got the answer to that last night, but at 4-nil, he could've at least given Patterson the last 10 minutes, and rested Young with a short turnaround for our next game.

Hard to judge with only coming on late, but Broja looks a great addition in attack, looks much bigger than I thought he was.

I thought the Wolves fans were magnificent, best away fans for a long long time. None of "This is this a library" after 2 minutes, or "Sign on", they got behind their team and backed us on the first VAR call. They came up with some very funny chants, "We've got the ball, we've lost the ball" :-), had me in stitches in the park end.

Met some of them on the way home on the train and were very friendly, I felt their pain with their manager.

They said they love going Goodison as they are made welcome by Evertonians, unlike Anfield where they find their fans obnoxious and arrogant, their words not mine.

I mentioned the VAR they voted for and that the fans never got a chance to vote, it was left to each club to vote. Had it been left to each clubs season ticket holders to decide, a lot more clubs would have been in favour to get rid of VAR.

For me that's what football is all about, banter with visiting supporters, getting behind your team, having a moan when justified, giving out praise when deserved.

Overall, a great night last night, just need to make sure we lock Derek in the Harlech castle until after the match next time he gets a ticket. Only kidding, Derek, hope you are feeling a bit better and a pity you missed the game.

As for Steve V, you give him a cig and he pockets your lighter. I get off train – where's my lighter? 24-hour petrol station open across from station to the rescue.

Now for Saturday, nothing to fear, get in their faces again, give them no space to pass, and use those set -pieces to our advantage, we simply have to stop them getting an early goal, get straight into them, the crowd will do the rest.

Nice to see Rob and Neil and Steve in the Harlech, first time I've got to chat to Rob proper, cracking bloke.

John Keating
140 Posted 05/12/2024 at 15:05:02
Couldn't believe it when Tarkowski's goal was disallowed. From where I sat, it looked a great leap and finish. But once that bloody VAR check comes up on the scree,n you know the outcome.

Blocking at set pieces has been the norm since I was born
Look at Calvert-Lewin's goal last season against the RS.
VAR needs to be binned in its entirety. Ruining football.

Tony Abrahams
141 Posted 05/12/2024 at 15:08:35
I think anyone who understands football would agree with that assessment, Nigel, whereas anyone who understands football, but has a pre-conceived opinion, would probably come up with an obtuse headline like Michael!!
Graham Mockford
142 Posted 05/12/2024 at 15:20:06
John/Tony

The only problem with your analysis it's not a foul for blocking by Mangala. It's being given as offside which he clearly was. The fact that he blocked meant he was actively involved, whether it was a foul or not.

Loathe to say but I think VAR got this one right.

Mark Murphy
143 Posted 05/12/2024 at 15:25:37
Having watched it over and over again, I get it. If Mangala hadn't been offside, the block would have been overlooked.
Fair enough.

He needs a smack for being offside though and I reckon Tarkoswki should deliver it.

Andy Crooks
144 Posted 05/12/2024 at 15:25:55
Trevor Powell @112, spot on. I think Calvert-Lewin is a fine and effective player; however, if he, on many, many occasions, just dinks the ball over the goalie, he would have a dozen goals this season.

It's like someone drummed it in to him, at a formative age, to make the keeper make a save. Well, he certainly does. Unfortunately, he makes the keeper make easy saves.

I know that many on here say that being a striker is nature not nurture. Well, I suggest that my late nan, with enough time on the training ground, could have had it practised into her to lift the ball over a goalkeeper who dived at her feet!

Colin Crooks
146 Posted 05/12/2024 at 15:32:09
No excuses needed for Calvert- Lewin. He quite simply made the difference between a comfortable win and nervy finish. The desire to exaggerate his misses is very apparent and it's always the same people.

The first chance was possible due to a brilliant arched run behind the defender. when the ball reached him he was actually running away from goal. The goalie (who could see everything) was out like a flash and within a couple of feet of him. He was so close, Calvert-Lewin could actually see none of the goal. The dink wasn't on because the goalie stayed big. Pele or Maradona would have struggled to score that... err "sitter".

Contrast that to the the chances Salah and Haaland missed on Saturday when clean through with a good view of both posts... Both missed. They're chances Calvert-Lewin can only dream of getting.

Most fans want their forwards jumping higher than everyone else. They want to see their forwards diving at everything. They want to see them create havoc and forcing errors.

I guess that's why (despite so many of us being pissed off with his contract stalling) I was only one of 36,000 standing to send him on his way with thunderous applause ringing in his ears.

Let's not forget, Ashley Young would not have even had a free kick to take if he hadn't been fouled.

I'm all for a bit of healthy criticism, but this is ludicrous. We haven't been able to buy a goal this season, yet on a night we finally create chances, we want to batter the player who we couldn't have done it without. Excuses? What for? Winning us the game.

Andy Meighan
149 Posted 05/12/2024 at 17:11:04
Colin @145.

I'd have to agree with every word of that. I thought Calvert-Lewin was excellent last night; if he shows the same level of commitment on Saturday, then tha Van Dijk will know he's been in a game.

Yes, he misses chances, but what striker doesn't? The service into him all season has been abysmal and if he is to go come January or the summer, he'll be a big loss.

On another note, if Broja gets fully match fit, going on his cameo last night, he'll be an asset.

Colin Malone
150 Posted 05/12/2024 at 17:32:35
What a difference, Calvert-Lewin playing on the right-hand side, when the ball was hoofed up top. He made all the difference.

Ndiaye wasted on the right. Douc, Number 10? Fucking come off it, Dyche. Well done, Blues, on your set pieces.

Graham Mockford
151 Posted 05/12/2024 at 18:43:38
Colin,

Are you auditioning to write TW headlines?

Dennis Stevens
152 Posted 05/12/2024 at 18:59:56
D'you mean a couple of months ago, before the internal drainage system was installed?
Michael Kenrick
153 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:02:00
I think the point some of you are missing in all this is that Everton scoring loadsa goals — after a whole month without scoring any!!! — was the first key point.

Next natural question would be "How many did our brilliant centre-forward score? The one who works his bollocks off every game..."

Well, if you'd been watching casually, you might be forgiven for thinking he'd scored two brilliant goals — I honestly thought he had when each went in. But no — two own-goals... by the same player, no less! That doesn't happen very often.

So, when searching for a headline to sum up the game, that's what went through my head. No dislike, not churlishness, no barbed criticism. Just a short summary of some simple facts about the game.

Paul Ferry
154 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:09:13
Mr Kenrick you crafty old fox!

You knew exactly what you were doing when that headline popped up in that head of yours. There was zero need for those 5 words at the end, but 'goals aplenty for the blues' seemed a little on the short side and needed something more.

You were most certainly having a snide pop at DCL Michael. No doubt it, as Hot Chocolate one sang. And what you do with cunning is to detach DCL from 'The Blues'.

Now I saw the good and the bad (and the ugly: fuck me Dawson is footy card c.1971 ugly with the streaky octopus-like hair of the prematurely balding) of DCL yesterday.

Others have gone through the good; others the bad, though not with a surgical knife like said ed. Dominic's was a hot and cold performance with enough heat to make your sly dig unnecessary,

You could have done it another way and looked rosier while still retaining the implicit DCL dig: 'Goals Aplenty for Blues and Broja's First Cameo Suggests More to Come'. Bit wordy, I know, but maybe some see what I'm getting at. Or have a real dirty factual pop MK, you could have gone with 'Goals Aplenty for Blues Despite Harrison's Three Shocking Misses in 15 Minute Cameo'.

And the old fact ruse: it's a fact, he didn't score, how can that be a criticism, I'm only reporting facts. That doesn't fool old foxes like me one bit. Much bigger, is the fact that you chose to add on a DCL jab to stretch out the headline to required length.

Don't keep up your fiction with your facts MK.

Nigel Scowen
155 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:25:22
Michael

I didn't read your article, the headline was enough to be honest.

Having read it now there is no credit given to DCL for his shift last night, a performance that the fans certainly appreciated judging by the applause as he left the field.

As I've already said I'm pretty sure that Dawson didn't enjoy Calvert-Lewin's company last night.

Michael Kenrick
156 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:28:08
Good try, Paul, but completely incorrect.

No snide jab or dig. Just the simple facts.

Bobby Mallon
157 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:50:16
Dennis 152 I don't to be honest
Alan Corken
158 Posted 05/12/2024 at 20:59:22
Brian Wilkinson @139: I agree that the Wolves fans were fantastic last night, I thought their reaction to the time taken for the VAR decision was sheer class. Despite the fact it was being studied to challenge a goal against them, they were chanting. 'football's not what it used to be'. I also met a few of them before and after the game and found them to be soulmates. As Miranda says in The Tempest "O, I have suffered with those that I saw suffer!"
Staying with Shakespeare, I'm sure I heard someone quote Falstaff at DCL after one of his misses "You scullion! You rampallian! You fustilarian! " very apt I thought, very apt.
Graham Mockford
159 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:23:49
It’s the old facts arguement.

Look at my headline and show me it’s not true.

Your headline is factually correct but everyone can see your intentions.

I mean it’s your train set, you are entitled to say what you want.

But trying to convince us you don’t have an anti DCL agenda is pretty obvious to all.

Colin Crooks
160 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:26:46
I'm not worthy Graham 151

Michael has been writing headlines since forever. His reports must generate an average of around 250 responses a game.

My headline would simply have been "phew !". I may have generated a few silent nods of approval...but that doesnt keep a website rolling.

I'll challenge his point and his timing. DCL was, at times, unplayable last night and Goodison recognised it, but I don't have a problem with the headline.

Its good to talk

Brent Stephens
161 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:29:39
Goals aplenty for Blues but Mykolenko still makes the defence vulnerable.

Goals aplenty for Blues but Harrison spurns several nailed-on chances.

Goals aplenty for Blues and VAR denies even more.

Paul Birmingham
162 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:37:56
Made up with the win, a clean sheet.

Great to meet up with Danny in the afternoon, and hopefully a good weekend too.

Could, should have been 9 or 10 goals, but plenty of work to be done on the finishing of DCL and Jack Harrison and Douc.

Now for Old Nick. But there is hope and they're 11 players, whom are beatable.

Will Sean Dyche keep the same shape...team?

UTFTs!

Brian Williams
163 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:40:28
Am I the only one that doesn't have a problem with Michael's headline?

I didn't see it as having a go at Dom. I saw it as more pointing out that despite the fact that Dom "scored" twice he didn't get a goal.

I'm sure I wasn't the only one at Goodison last night that believed he'd scored on both occasions only to have the goals "taken off" him.

It was one of those incidents, or two to be exact, where you think "Ah, for fuck's sake, after all that, he doesn't even get on the scoresheet."

I saw it more as quite a clever headline than a condescending one. Can be taken either way, but that's how I took it.

In my opinion the centre half was the last player to touch the ball on both occasions but DCL should get the "credit" for both goals even if not credited with them officially.

Ernie Baywood
164 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:42:09
Michael has an agenda. I have an agenda. You've got an agenda.

Or to put it another way - everyone's got their own view of things.

I didn't read too much into the headline. I thought it summed the game up quite well. DCL needs goals. He was close to a couple but it turned out it was the defender who knocked them in.

In subsequent posts maybe Michael has shown that he doesn't rate DCL. I do happen to rate him a bit higher than that. So be it.

Danny O'Neill
165 Posted 05/12/2024 at 21:59:34
Brian, Ernie,

I too have no issues with the headline or comments from anyone.

Calvert-Lewin got himself into the goal-scoring situation, forcing the goals. Regardless as to whether they were accredited to him, they went in.

Andy Crooks
166 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:06:33
Alan, Shakespeare hated VAR
" tis times plague, when madmen lead the blind"
Think it was it was introduced to archery!
Michael Kenrick
167 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:12:27
You may well be, Brian @163.

Nice post anyway. Spot on and much appreciated.

Paul Ferry
168 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:13:20
Graham Mockford 159.

To be fair Graham, I don't think that MK has not tried to convince us that he does not have 'an anti DCL agenda' in this thread. Nor do I think that it's necessary for him to do so in this context. He might question 'agenda' and substitute 'DCL critic', but MK has never ever tried to hide his DCL views.

However, he has tried to hide his intent in the headline and hat's off to him.

Toffeweb Poll! Do you believe MK or not?

Nor do I agree with Brian W's post (163) but I do think it's a brilliant post!

Paul Ferry
169 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:20:23
DCL is 'a man more sinned against than sinning'.
Alan Corken
170 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:39:39
I think the best quote to sum up Calvert-Lewin's ability as a top class goalscorer comes from Groucho Marx:

"Either that man is dead or my watch has stopped."

Paul Ferry
171 Posted 05/12/2024 at 22:50:48
That's worthy of Alan Coren Alan (Corken),
Derek Thomas
172 Posted 05/12/2024 at 23:30:34
You know it, I know it; If the rs 'score' 2 goals exactly the same on Saturday at least 1 and probably both are going to stand and 'Tarkowski's goal' won't even be referred.

This is the real problem. The consistency is all over the place like mad woman's shit.

Edit: In defence of DCL; these days, where the VAR camera can spot a toenail 1 inch over an imaginary line from 50yds away, if a defender breathes heavily on the ball at it passes him going into the net it's now an Own Goal.

2 good crosses and DCL made those goals, they're his, if he wasn't involved they wouldn't have happened and it's 2-0.

Own goals my arse.

Cast your mind's back to this very same weekend of 55yrs ago.

Dawson? that's not an Own Goal.

Sandy Brown, Thats an Own Goal

Si Cooper
173 Posted 05/12/2024 at 00:06:58
I’ve often wondered about the purpose of having attacking players start off in an offside position for free kicks. I’d always presumed they were primarily to test the resolve of how far up the defensive line would be set by being out of the defenders sight and some sort of barrier for anyone scrambling back.

I think it’s clear Mangala overdid the ‘being a barrier’ bit.

I think one of the Wolves players behind Tarkowski failed to drop back and challenge him because he was obsessed with squaring up to another of our (onside) players on the edge of the area.

Brian Wilkinson
174 Posted 06/12/2024 at 01:29:28
Too many Brian W on this thread :-)
Anthony Hawkins
175 Posted 06/12/2024 at 12:06:09
At least the last goal that was attributed to Dawson was going in anyway.

I always thought the attacking player was attributed the goal if it was going in, but listed as an own goal if the defending player significantly impacted the route of the ball? It was more of a deflection than redirection.

Dave Abrahams
176 Posted 07/12/2024 at 09:27:27
Derek (172)Yes it was always previously that deflections had to be seen as own goals if they took the ball away from the direction the ball was going, Anthony Gordon was credited with two goals, not so long ago, when the deflections did exactly that.

I’m a Dominic fan and I was very happy for him when I thought he had scored the other night especially with the second one, on the other hand I still thought he was giving less than he is capable of the other night and in a lot of games this season.

In fact I had put £1,000 on him to score the first goal today in the Derby!!


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