Report No new manager bounce after Watkins goal David Moyes came up short in his first test as the new Everton manager as Aston Villa stole all the points from Goodison Park. Michael Kenrick 15/01/2025 166comments (last) Everton 0 - 1 Aston Villa David Moyes came up short in his first test as the new Everton manager as Aston Villa stole all the points from Goodison Park with a sharp strike from Watkins following a loose ball from Jarrad Branthwaite. And there were no real surprises in Moyes's first team selection, with the addition of Martin Sherif from the U21s on the bench remaining an unused sub. A number of senior players were missing through injury, including Armando Broja, with no more news on his damaged ankle. Dwight McNeil is still injured while James Garner, Tim Iroegbunam and Youssef Chermiti are back in training but have yet to make the subs bench. Everton kicked off but avoided the long punt upfield, although they still surrendered possession. Onana strode forward and took the fist shot, deflecting off Tarkowski for an early corner headed clear strongly by Young. But somehow the ball fell to Rogers and he was able to test Pickford, who parried for another corner. Tarkowski headed the second corner behind; Harrison headed clear the third. But it was gifted to Onana again and he shot wide. Not a wholly auspicious start. Everton tried to build down the right but it broke down and Everton allowed the Villa players to storm forward, Tieleman's shot was blocked brilliantly by Tarkowski – and it needed to be. Onana took out Gana for an early yellow card. Villa threatened to shoot again as Everton struggled to break out until Ndiaye found Doucocure but Calvert-Lewin had strayed offside. Ndiaye was rewarded with a free-kick when he seemed to have run into trouble, playing more centrally. Article continues below video content Young's free-kick was very poor, easily cleared. Harrison and Doucoure linked well down the right, his cross deflected for an Everton corner, taken by Harrison. It came out to Gueye whose sliced volley struck a defender on its way wide. Young made a horrible error playing the ball perfectly for Watkins but he turned the ball wide of both Pickford and the goal. What a let-off! Mangala intercepted a ponderous build by Villa, but Everton could not build anything themselves. Harrison gave Villa another corner, but it was defended well. There was very little pressing when Villa had the ball, which was most of the time. Good work by Branthwaite foiled a quick Villa counter and the ball was played up to Calvert-Lewin, who controlled it well off his chest but scuffed the shot wide from a broadening angle. A good spell of determined play roused the crowd momentarily but Everton could not keep possession. Villa countered Mykolenko stopping Rogers but Young then fouled Tielemans for a threatening set-piece from Lucas Digne… straight into the jumping Everton wall. A deep and somewhat wayward cross from Mykolenko was put behind by Digne, Harrison's corner not too bad but The Blues were offside when it was recycled. A quick move started by Young saw Mykolenko cross behind the line but Docucoure's smart fick didn't have enough pace to beat Martinez. Villa countered, Kamara forcing a low save from Pickford. Another horrid giveaway needed firm rearguard action to stop Villa from profiting. A long ball up the right wing saw Calvert-Lewin battling with two defenders. Young forced another corner but it was cleared. A stuttering move saw the ball drop to Calvert-Lewin 8 yards out but his awkward shot boobled toward the line where it was easily cleared. At the other end, Rodgers drove in but the shot was blocked, falling to Ramsey who had to score... but his shot flashed inches wide and the half ended goalless. Harrison concedeed an early free-kick after the restart, Mykolenko heading it out. The throw-in came through to Ramsey who scooped it over the bar. Mings tripped and caught Calvert-Lewin as he advanced on the ball but nothing in it really. Some great pressing high up almost paid off but a loose ball played back by Branthwaite set Villa going and Waltkins simply slotted home under Pickford. Gana was booked for a poor challenge on Kamara, then Onana held back Mangala for what should have been his second yellow card but inexplicably not. Ndiaye got forward and put in a good cross but Calvert-Lewin was the wrong side of not one but two defenders. The corner was whipped in straight to Martinez with lots of wrestling in the goal area. Everton tried to respond but balls played backward from advanced positions did not help. Harrison was replaced by Lindstrom just before the hour mark. Ndiaye and Doucoure combined well to force a corner which sailed over everyone as Calvert-Lewin was dragged down and Lindstrom pushed just enough to stop him making contact. VAR? Still on half-time, apparently. Digne forced a corner off Tarkowski, Tielemans playing it short and losing it. Everton tried to break but Doucure's pass forward was easily stopped and they were finding it harder now to fashion a meaningful strike while Villa could counter at will. When they did have the ball, the build was painfully slow and went all around the houses, Ndiaye battling manfully and winning a corner, although he expected a free-kick. The ball in caused havoc in the crowd but nobody could get a boot on it before it was recycled back in but Branthwaite could not get a clear shot on it. More Blues possession, but it broke down again and Villa almost broke. Tarkowski tried to get Mykolenko around the back with a deep diagonal ball that the Ukranian could not control. It was scrappy and shapeless. Finally, a better move saw Mykolenko's cross force a corner but it was defended away as Moyes rang a couple of interesting late changes. A deep free-kick for a foul on Gana saw the big men up but Mykolenko's ball in was overhit as the game moved into its final stages. A turnover fell to Beto but his control was abysmal as he tried to advance. More terrible turnovers ensued with the ball lost just too easily. Into time added on (4 minutes) but Everton struggled until Mangal dug out a shot that deflected into Martinez's hands. A tremendous chance did finally come, a quick ball in by Lindstrom, but Calvert-Lewin, completely incapable of measuring or mastering the bounce of the ball, could only spoon it over the bar. Calvert-Lewin had at least looked interested in this game but he is just such a poor finisher. Everton: Pickford [Y:54'], Young (83' O'Brien), Mykolenko, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Gueye [Y:52'], Mangala, Harrison (59' Lindstrøm), Doucoure (82' Beto), Ndiaye, Calvert-Lewin. Subs not Used: Virgina, Begovic, Patterson, Keane, Armstrong, Sherif. Aston Villa: Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne, Kamara, Onana [Y:8'], Ramsey (81' Buendia), Tielemans, Rogers, Watkins. Subs not Used: Olsen, Gauci, Nedeljkovic, Bogarde, Maatsen, Bailey, Jimoh-Aloba, Duran. Reader Comments (166) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer () Paul Ferry 1 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:20:53 Oh dear. More or less exactly the team that I did not want to see. Harrison! Doucoure!COYB! George Cumiskey 2 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:21:27 Can't believe he's gone with Harrison and Doucouré OMG 😱 George Cumiskey 3 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:22:47 And he's got two goalies on the bench, what's happening ????? Pete Ellingham 4 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:23:57 They will play completely differently under him than Dyche. Hopefully! Paul Ferry 5 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:23:58 Dave Lynch. I was posting at the exact time that MK switched threads to say no need for that mate. I don't doubt you (although that's not my place). Enjoy the match! Sam Hoare 6 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:24:06 Predicted this sort of lineup earlier. Moyes is pretty risk averse so no big surprise to see Patterson and Armstrong not trusted yet.What I hope may change is some of the patterns of play, allowing a bit more width, getting the full backs forward more frequently. Lets see. Mark Frere 7 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:24:11 Would've like to have seen Lindstrom in Doucoure's position behind DCL. Brendan Fox 8 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:24:46 Cowardly team selection by Moyes Paul Ferry 9 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:25:02 Well said Pete. That's certainly what I am hoping too. Perhaps Dyche picked the team???? Mike Hayes 10 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:25:18 No shake up here - can only think he wants to see what shite Dyche had to put up with and if he can polish the turds 💩💩💙 George Cumiskey 11 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:26:08 Did Dyche send him the team sheet ???? Annika Herbert 12 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:27:57 Well that team selection should make all the difference Mike Hayes 13 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:28:23 When we win Dyche will claim it was his team - surprised he didnt claim the cup win as his 🥳💙 Dave Lynch 14 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:29:34 @ Paul Ferry 9That "rumour" re Tom Canno is on X apparently formerly known as twitter.On evertonnewsfeed...all one word.There is a thumbnail picture of Tom applauding, open that and that is it. Shaun Parker 15 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:30:07 I think this selection shows what a really really poor squad we have.Have to say I'm disappointed with the team selected.Any hope and optimism has gone out the window.How many wins do we need to stay up? 8?? Paul Ferry 16 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:30:36 Cheers Dave! Enjoy the match! Mike Allison 17 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:32:19 7 should do it Shaun, especially with another 2 draws.Disappointing team selection but no surprise really. The attitude and use of the ball will be the big thing. Pete Ellingham 18 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:35:21 I wish I was at the game tonight- I am sure the atmosphere is going to be electric- COYB! Rob Hooton 19 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:36:01 I think I've figured it out. Under the strict PSR guidelines, we can't really afford to be profligate and print a new team sheet every week, so we give the same one out and collect them after the match.Uninspiring; let's see what unfolds. Hope the players are all up for it!! John Graham 20 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:36:17 No change there then.Let's hope he's given them some attacking freedom or it's a total waste of time changing the manager. Billy Shears 21 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:36:37 Hardly the most inspiring team selection but a chance for the usual suspects to shine for once! Derek Knox 22 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:37:53 I know choices were limited but expected to see a different team selection. I just hope the usual culprits start to play! Neil Lawson 23 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:37:59 Disappointingly underwhelming. Steve Cotton 24 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:38:31 What team did you all expect?? He's only go so many players! If we get battered, then we can complain.Anyway, great news our new signing will be Tom Cannon – the guy we just let go! You couldn't make it up. Mike Price 25 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:39:00 How can another manager and set of coaches not see that Mykolenko is completely useless?It's the team that Dyche would have picked; it's got to play differently or this will turn toxic very quickly. Dave Lynch 26 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:40:00 No problem Paul.Here's to a win... Clive Rogers 27 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:40:41 I can only see that team losing tonight. Mihir Ambardekar 28 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:43:22 Scared to see Doucoure, Harrison and Mykolenko in the team. We will lose this one unless we play differently. I'm hoping to see a good game. Shaun Parker 29 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:45:00 At least we cannot drop into the Bottom 3 tonight. Izzy Selwyn 30 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:47:10 There is nothing on the bench for him to use.I suspect if he sees the same dross from Duocoure, he will bring on Lindstrom and maybe move Ndiaye to the Number 10.Let's see if he does anything before the 70th minute though. Paul Ferry 31 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:49:57 Izzy Selwyn @31: "There is nothing on the bench for him to use."That's rubbish, Izzy. Ian Wilkins 32 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:52:11 There is not a lot of choice until a few return from injury and we add a couple this transfer window. I think Mykolenko is having a poor time but the alternative is the 40-year-old Young out of position. The alternative to Harrison is Lindstrom. Hardly inspiring. This is what we have. It's what we do with it that matters. Michael Lynch 33 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:54:50 I'm assuming it will take Moyes a good few weeks to get a grip of the job, particularly as he has so few options in the squad. He'll have to stay strong, because – judging from this place – some fans are going to be on his back from day one.Leon Osman said on the BBC that we could well lose the next three games, and he's right. For me, the turnaround needs to start on 1 February at home to Leicester. Any points gained between now and then are a bonus. Izzy Selwyn 34 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:55:05 Paul Ferry 32: what team would you put out from today's squad? Bill Gienapp 35 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:55:17 I've seen enough – #MoyesOut(Just kidding, but yeah – if fortune favors the bold, then our league position is no surprise!) Martin Berry 36 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:56:25 Hopefully Jimmy, Timmy, Dwighty and Yousefy back by February, plus a couple of new players.Then I think we have a good month with the Manager having a lot more to look at and choose accordingly.This team may yet surprise with the "bounce" in the meantime? David West 37 Posted 15/01/2025 at 18:58:57 Pretty predictable line-up. You can kind of understand he doesn't want to get beat. First game and that! Hope Armstrong gets a chance at some point. There is a case for playing 3 at the back to improve our width but Mykolenko isn't the best going forward and young doesn't have the legs he used to. A Reaction from the players would be nice, I'd demand it if I was one of the senior players. Let's show Dyche we are decent footballers capable of stringing passes together. Intriguing to see if it goes long as much as usual. Paul Ferry 39 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:15:36 Izzy, you were talking specifically about the bench. Why are you shifting the goalposts? Bill Gall 40 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:15:37 Well it was not as exactly suspected, but with the short period he has been here there is not really many for him to make radical changes. It may look a strong team but strength is no substitute for skill. Edward Rogers 41 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:16:09 Got to get a grip of Tielemans, always does well against us. Iain Johnston 42 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:18:29 Who did you expect him to pick? Moyes didn't bring a midfielder or a winger with him and the options are injured. Izzy Selwyn 43 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:20:38 Paul 40, np, I meant that the bench looks so weak, that there wasn't much he could do to make the team much stronger from that bench. Sorry, if I was misunderstood. Ernie Baywood 44 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:20:48 I wouldn't say I'm shocked - we discussed on the pre match thread that he probably wouldn't change too much and the intent was probably more important than the personnel. But I must admit the selection has lowered the mood a bit. It's hard to see how the intent can change that much when we still have the same slow paced full backs.Anyway. Goodison under the lights with a new(ish) manager in place. COYB! Brendan Fox 45 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:21:24 Maybe try something different to Dyche in terms of personnel or is this just Moyes way of trying to prove he can get a different tune out of the same players? Uninspiring and borderline stupidity to expect different results with the same team that got Dyche the tin tack Paul Ferry 46 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:21:35 That's not actually true Iain. Colin Metcalfe 47 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:21:48 Some real poor players in that team, you can dress it up all you want and change tactics but the bottom line is we have very few decent Premier League players – they are just not good enough. We are going to need a big effort and a big slice of luck to get anything out of tonight's game; let's just hope the Villains are off the pace tonight. Brendan Fox 48 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:26:06 Just seems so illogical to not try a different formation with a couple of different players thrown into the mixer. Harrison is not nor will ever be a right-winger; if you have to play him, play him on the left and play Patterson on the right. Ndiaye is not a winger so push him behind Dom and drop Doucoure, who has stunk the gaff out for a while now.Do something different to try to change the outcome. Alan J Thompson 49 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:26:54 I didn't expect wholesale changes but I thought that Armstrong had shown enough for Baines and Coleman to recommend him and while it's good to see another youngster on the bench are two keepers of tactical importance? The more things change, eh. Joe McMahon 50 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:28:40 Alan, agreed. Patterson also. Michael Kenrick 51 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:31:31 Well, Rossi got that all wrong, fast asleep at the wheel at the moment of the Second Coming! Robert Tressell 52 Posted 15/01/2025 at 19:31:46 Brave and imaginative line up. A new era of adventure starts tonight! COYB Shaun Parker 53 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:20:16 For the life of me WHY is Ashley Young on the pitch?!!!He offers nothing.All our errors come from him.All he does is pass it back.Get him off.Get rid of him. Oliver Molloy 54 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:20:43 Thank goodness Villa have been as bad as us first half – is all I can say! Kevin Molloy 55 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:21:25 Not bad. Still in it, starting to learn again how to attack, riding our luck against a good side. Entertaining half. Ernie Baywood 56 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:22:51 You can see changes. The main one is the team playing further up the pitch meaning the press has more impact (but more risk). Other than that, there's probably a bit of a bounce in the players. They've worked their socks off and not just in defence.More crosses than we've seen in a long time and we've had chances. We've conceded a few chances too, though. The player limitations just don't go away though. That first head of steam dissipated with a poor infield pass from Mykolenko and two cheap concessions of possession by Harrison – all 3 leading to shots and corners. Then we had Young's brainfart.Some positives. Hopefully we do see some changes too. Alan J Thompson 57 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:23:18 A promising half and the midfield is getting forward in support of Calvert-Lewin more than we've seen previously but there is still little telling runs or precise balls into the opposition's penalty area while the best through ball all night was Young putting Watkins away.And Mykolenko has shown he can cross a ball now that we have players in there to cross to but Harrison has done little other than hog the right touchline. We have seen Calvert-Lewin have a couple of chances but the ball just wouldn't drop right at the most important moment.Encouraging. Mike Hayes 58 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:27:34 I can only suspect Moyes has picked a Dyche-type team to see for himself who's shit and who's not, then work from there.It's like an assessment of those fit and available. Not much of a new manager bounce as yet – do Everton players do that? Fingers crossed for us pulling off a win for a change. It's times like this you want the next match ASAP to see who's in and who's out and how the game plays out… Ciarán McGlone 59 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:32:49 Hot tub time machine starring Davey Moyes. Mike Hayes 60 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:38:17 It had to happen ffs 😡 Ernie Baywood 61 Posted 15/01/2025 at 20:52:01 How obvious would a push in the box need to be? Sean O'Hanlon 62 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:24:09 Another huge miss from Calvin-Lewin. He should be shown the door immediately. Absolute rubbish, and an embarrassment to the team and all the fans. Simon Dalzell 63 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:25:26 Calvert-Lewin should have scored at least 2. So Frustrating, he needs replacing ASAP. Onana — obvious Red Card. Clear Penalty on Either Mykolenko or Calvert-Lewin. Referee so poor. Shaun McGough 64 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:29:43 Mykolenko's delivery is shocking when attacking. The three chances Calvert-Lewin got, he never even hit the target. Branthwaite for their goal???? And a shocking VAR decision not given to us.Villa are a good side and we didn't get the rub for any luck. Moyes must be going even greyer looking at this lot. The work required in this window is massive. Michael Lynch 65 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:29:58 Could have nicked a lucky point but Calvert-Lewin….I love the guy and have been behind him all the way but that was terrible tonight. Scott Hamilton 66 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:30:46 I saw an improved performance overall.Calvert-Lewin should've scored at least twice but TBH we should've had two penalties for the one incident. If that'd happened to one of the big 6/7, you'd never hear the last of it.Anyway, Rome wasn't built in a day. The big question is whether we're a Rome that's under construction or one that's in terminal decline prior to extinction… Mike Price 67 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:32:04 Branthwaite giving the ball away led to the goal and Pickford couldnt have made it easier for Watkins.Very worrying performance, it really is shaping up to be the season from hell. Daniel A Johnson 68 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:33:20 We had a new manager bounce like a skip from 500ft. ALL HAIL THE MOYESIAH Robert Tressell 69 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:34:04 No difference whatsoever. Same formation, tactics and personnel. Effort and commitment yes. Quality, no. We've underperformed a bit this season but not by much - especially given the small squad and run of injuries. We're one of 5 poor sides. We need to buy some quality pronto. David Cooper 70 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:34:42 Michael I know you own this website but you have really got to give a more unbiased headline. No Bounce….what game were you watching? Yes we lost, yes we gave up a soft goal and missed chances but we we played with a lot more intention and had almost 50% possession. So a lot to be hopeful about. Shaun Parker 71 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:34:49 Same shit.Different day.All we have left is hope. Alan J Thompson 72 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:35:37 A goal given away too easily, a nothing knock back by Branthwaite and Tarkowski keeping his man onside without being close enough to mark him or make it difficult.A couple of chances fell our way but Calvert-Lewin again seemed to get himself in a mess when a good chance came his way but we seemed in the second half to lose any pattern, intent or composure.Again I cannot see any consistency in the refereeing and some of it looks just plain cowardly when Gana gets carded for playing the ball albeit sliding and players in a headlock or pushed in the back at corners is totally ignored.A disappointing second half and I hope we see more improvement in the near future but some players just seemed lost particularly Harrison in the first half and Lindstrom in the second and oh for a clinical striker. Jim Bennings 73 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:36:14 Can't really say anything other than if we had Ollie Watkins instead of DCL tonight then the 1-0 win is ours not Villa's.Sadly that's the difference and has been the difference ever since we sold Lukaku in 2017.It's no real surprise that we've struggled to score goals in virtually every season since then.DCL needs moving on, the relationship has run its course now, the injuries he's had have killed him too, but he never has been clinical enough anyway.We need to get moving in this window, I'd be looking to get at least three out and at least three in. Dave Lynch 74 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:37:14 Some positives for me.We actually got men in the box, we played with more intensity and tried to utilise the wide positions. If we can just stop giving the ball away in stupid positions... Calvert-Lewin has proven once and for all that he's rubbish and will never be an effective striker while his arse points to the floor. Kevin Molloy 75 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:38:07 Can you believe that guy has turned down a multi-million pound contract, cos he wants more money? Let's hope he clears off in the next few days, I'm utterly sick of the sight of him. Danny Baily 76 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:39:11 This reminds me of Dunc stepping in to manage us against Villa at home after Rafa got the boot. We were hoping for a bounce, but the reality was that we were a poor side.The reality now is that we are a poorer side than we were back then. I don't see where the five plus wins we need to stay up are coming from, so we should prepare for the worst. Whatever happens, the fightback begins in August. Colin Glassar 77 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:39:20 Moyes Out!!! Craig Walker 78 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:39:56 Harrison and Doucouré were poor with the ball. Ndiaye is the only player who tries things other than giving it to the nearest man. Calvert-Lewin should have scored at the end. Good strikers finish those. Problems all over the pitch. Good effort from the players but I can't fault their effort this season. There is so little quality and zero confidence. Moyes needs to source goals from somewhere. Christopher Timmins 79 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:40:06 Not a jot of difference. When I saw the team, I thought Sean was back in charge again.If we can't greatly improve on that starting 11 in the next two and a bit weeks, it's 2 from 4 for the drop, and we will be in the bottom 2!Are we really that bad? Yes! Barry Rathbone 80 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:41:32 If he doesn't get some decent newies in sharpish, the return of the prodigal will be beyond redemption faster than you can say "polishing a turd" ! Ian Edwards 81 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:42:17 Still a lack of creativity until Beto came on and we played with two up top. Still the continual issue of players running unopposed at our central defence. Gueye is dreadful. He was nowhere to be seen when they scored. Mangala adds a bit of steel. Harrison and Doucoure offer nothing. We need signings in this window and the sooner the better. Not the last chicken in the shop on the 31st. Phil Smith 82 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:43:02 Hopefully he's learnt already that Harrison is shite and Dom has no confidence or hunger in front of goal and both should not be played. Young also offers little in an attacking sense. I expect changes for the next game or I expect people will quickly get on his back.I expected very little after seeing the starting lineup and two keepers on the bench – seriously, what is the point if that??? Underwhelmed… Jim Bennings 83 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:43:35 We shouldn't even be thinking of offering Calvert-Lewin a new contract, I sincerely hope that has long since been taken off the table by now.We need to be moving in a new direction and I'd be disappointed in the new owners if they think hauling more cash at him is the answer. Joe McMahon 84 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:44:24 My concern is Everton still have to play Liverpool twice. Wolves have shown recently they can score goals. As we know Everton don't do goals, and also have to play at Wolves. I've a feeling Wolves will overtake us, as will Ipswich. Remember, Moyes and Dyche already have relegation on their CVs, as do many Everton players. Geoff Hind 85 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:44:59 If you always do what you've always done, you always get what you always got ….. Simon Dalzell 86 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:46:19 Agree, Colin (77). I'd have sacked him at half-time. Christy Ring 87 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:47:13 I thought the ref was shocking, Calvert-Lewin was a definite penalty, and Onana should have been a 2nd yellow. We need Garner, McNeil, Iroegbunam and a couple of new signings for Sunday. Ashley Roberts 88 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:47:36 Moyes has his work cut out even if we were slightly more expansive than under Dyche. Other than Lindstrom, the substitutions made no sense to me. Maybe Moyes needs more time to figure out his best team?? I would have brought Patterson and Armstrong on for the last 15 instead of Young and Gana and pushed Doucoure back. What is clear is that we need some influx of quality soon and hopefully somebody who knows how to find the back of the net because we cannot buy a goal at the moment. Clive Rogers 89 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:48:44 At least he took our three worst players off. Young, Harrison and Doucoure should not start against Spurs. Jim Bennings 90 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:48:57 The Premier League table looks positively depressing right now.20 games in, 15 goals scored, 3 games won, barely scraping above the Bottom 3 with a shit load of horrible-looking fixtures on the horizon. Colin Metcalfe 91 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:49:52 And so this what you get when you change one over pragmatic manager for another: the same result! I don't want to put too much blame on Moyes but he should have made some changes, the usual suspects Young, Doucouré, Harrison and Calvert-Lewin were just terrible and the rest not much better. One of many things I don't like about Moyes is his reluctance to make early substitutions when clearly the game is not going your way but, true to form, he left it far too late. We desperately need some incoming players that will give the squad a boost because, if not, it's going down to the line once again this season. Colin Glassar 92 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:50:27 Simon 86, theres still time. They havent left the ground yet. Jimmy Carr 93 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:52:21 Jim (83), we are moving in a new direction. Downwards. George Cumiskey 94 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:53:34 For me, it was a carbon copy of a Dyche team selection, tactics and substitutions.He brought on two fresh players with 8 minutes to go… unbelievable. Tommy Carter 95 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:53:35 Not likely to be, is there, when he picks the same team Dyche always did, that mostly failed to score goals and lost most games. Liam Mogan 96 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:54:22 It's the lack of intensity and fight that's most worrying. I thought there would be more aggression and 'in your face' attitude. There was no sign of it. Joe McMahon 97 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:55:20 Taken from BBC comments:As a long-term Palace fan, I know a thing about bad strikers! But Calvert-Lewin is really up there with the worst, Everton must have somebody else they can play, a youth player? Even the tea lady ?? Oliver Molloy 98 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:55:55 Penalty! — Having a laugh...The lack of quality is what is killing us from midfield to forwards. Shocking, huff and puff and that's it – something has got to change. McNeil is being badly missed – would we ever have thought that?If there is any truth that Richarlison would be willing to finish the season on loan to us, we should try to make it happen.Spurs next up and more of the same awaits… Pete Clarke 99 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:55:59 Effort is a minimum requirement which we got tonight but unfortunately quality is also required and we have very little of that in key areas. Up front with Calvert-Lewin is a reminder of how poor we are. He's shot to pieces and offers nothing. He's not alone though and we're dropping deeper into the mud because of our poor recruitment and coaching over the years. Wolves and Leicester both lost so hopefully Ipswich can make it a perfect treble to ease our pains. Jim Bennings 100 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:56:48 I think Moyes will soon realize this is nothing like the core of players be managed when he was first here.People and characters like Baines, Jagielka, Carsley, Cahill, Osman, Arteta replaced by basically snowflakey type players that seem devoid of any braincells let alone fight. Jimmy Carr 101 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:58:10 Looks like we're gonna have to go through it as the new manager has to catch up with everything we already know about these players. Don't think Moyes has had time to do his homework. Wasn't Baines there to tell him that Doucoure and Harrison are shit?The definition of madness, doing the same thing over and over expecting to get a different result. So Moyes picks the same team as Sean Dyche would have. Good one, Davey. Conor Skelly 102 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:58:11 I'd love to know if the ruling the other day on our accounts means we can spend money in this window? It might be necessary to sell Branthwaite if we want to strengthen enough in the areas we need and stay within PSR. I think we would be lucky to get £50M for him now though and his form would need to improve for a number of months before he'd regain any value he's lost this season. So it's a bad time to sell!!! But we need funds. Colin Malone 103 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:59:25 Doucoure for the Ballon d'Or. Tommy Carter 104 Posted 15/01/2025 at 21:59:50 With regard to PSR – could the club spend big now with a view to taking a hit on a points deduction in a couple of years time? The advantage would be to sign enough quality to see us stay up this season and build for the future. If we sign quality with potential resale value, then the likelihood is in a couple of years, when the breach catches up with us, that any points deduction won't see us relegated as the team will be performing well with the capability of getting 50 points in a season. Or alternatively, players are bought after a successful 12 months with us and we sell for profit meaning no breach of PSR anyway. Pat Kelly 105 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:01:45 The so-called DoF is still here. He must know the players' form.Does Moyes talk to him? Probably not, I wouldn't blame him. Jack Convery 106 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:01:46 Play Ndiaye as a centre-forward in next game.Ndiaye's Stats:Pos PL Goals AsstsCentre-Forward 48 10 12Attacking Midfield 32 7 2Left Winger 20 3 1Second Striker 17 8 3Right Winger 8 1 1Left Midfield 7 1 -Right Midfield 1 - - Mike Allison 107 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:04:02 Why would you do exactly the same thing that's not been working for months?Why wouldn't you make an attempt to invigorate the crowd when they're your best chance of knocking Villa off their game?Why would you wait until 82 minutes before trying something different?Why would the something different involve an extra central defender?!Also, has anybody noticed that we need creative, skilful players? We've got one playing out of position at right back, and he's not very good at it.What a thoroughly miserable, depressing night watching Moyes get wrong exactly what Dyche has been getting wrong all season.Learn fast, Davie, or get out. Jim Bennings 108 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:04:58 Team for Sunday.PickfordPattersonTarkowskiBranthwaiteYoung (left back yes)LindstromArmstrongMangala GanaNdiayeBetoTry something a bit different Billy Shears 109 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:08:31 Same shite, different day!Maybe we're just cursed!Time to use the rest of our squad and give our young lads a chance! Andy Crooks 110 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:11:14 As someone who was appalled at the appointment of Moyes and was expecting something a bit different from the team, I am disappointed. However, it would be churlish indeed to criticize him after one game. He will have learned a lot tonight, mainly what a task he has ahead. Phil Lewis 111 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:15:01 Jim #108,I'd agree with that team except for Beto, his first touch and general timing is dreadful. Calvert-Lewin for all of his misses, is still our only option up front at present.Even with a fully fit squad, I'd say we are still three signings away from safety. We were asleep for the first half hour tonight, but there were encouraging signs second half.Ndaiye looks great twisting and turning people and appears to be a class act, probably our best player. But he still rarely delivers the final killer pass and often hangs on to the ball that bit too much, when the layoff would be the better option Lee Courtliff 112 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:16:20 Mike #107, almost exactly what I was going to say. I'm flabbergasted that he was allowed to do the exact same thing Dyche was doing with the exact same players in the exact same positions?!?!It's just bewildering… did nobody on the staff happen to mention that this hasn't worked all season and, if it had been working, you wouldn't fuckin be here, David!!After 30 plus years, I should not allow this kind of thing to surprise me anymore, but I still do. And will again. John Raftery 113 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:16:41 No pace. No quality. No goals. No points. Simon Dalzell 114 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:18:11 Calvert-Lewin: 'feed the kack and he won't score1' I' m with you Mr Kenrick. Stealing money, and he thinks he's better than us!! Been getting away with it for years. Phil 111 sums it up... Calvert-Lewin 'for all his misses, he's still our best option''. Lord Help us. Brian Williams 115 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:20:33 Hmmm… I wonder when the penny will drop with some on here and they realise why different managers are falling well short?There's an earlier post which made me laugh, admittedly ironically, but laugh I did. When you have a "best" first eleven where at least five of them are simply not good enough, you can have any fucking manager you care to think of and we wouldn't be a better side by any more than a couple of percent.So Moyes picks the same team as Sean Dyche would have. Good one, Davey.So tell us what team would you have picked that would have done better than the one picked? Simon Dalzell 116 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:22:36 Give Moyes a chance, Brian. He'll do a lot better than Douche. Tony Abrahams 117 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:24:53 Don't sign any players and we will be lucky to get another chance of making it go to the wire, like we have done a couple of times in the last three years.Moyes presently hasn't got much to play with but he's a very cagey manager and you don't score goals by being cagey.Dominic has got to score with at least one of those chances tonight, and Brainthwaite has got to be better, because he gifted them a great chance in the first half and also started the move for Villa's goal tonight simply because of a lack of concentration.Central defender gives away a goal and centre-forward misses two gilt-edged chances. Fine margins and when you are down you are often on the receiving end of these fine margins, but the lack of quality isn't being helped by our lack of confidence.We have got to sign a couple of players urgently. Adam Carey 118 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:25:06 Time to get a battering on here, but that is the best I've seen us play in some time. That includes the 4-0 game against Wolves.What were people expecting, formation- or selection-wise? There was never going to be sweeping changes.We pressed higher up the pitch; the game-winning goal and Villa's best chances came from forced errors. We were trying to play more on the front foot and mistakes were made. It happens. Haaland went 8 or so games without a goal, even surrounded by City's wealth of player choices. Arsenal had 49 goal attempts (pre the Spurs game) in 2 games and scored once! Calvert-Lewin is not at an elite level, but he's been chasing his own headers under Dyche for 2 seasons. His ballooned effort is the only one that I can complain about today. The left shot is weaker foot at a tight angle. The goal-line clearance had the ball drop very slowly behind him. Keep putting these chances in front of him and he will get some goals, but as I mentioned, he isn't Haaland or Isakor Jota.Also, anyone would think we've been scratching our heads for 24 months wondering how we don't win 3-0 each week. A change of manager wasn't going to magically turn us into a winning side. The stats show we matched Villa today for possession, passing and defensive work. I'll take that over the "sit back and defend the ball" tactics we've had for the last year. Christy Ring 119 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:29:09 Why can't we play two up front, the extra man in midfield offers nothing going forward.I watched the highlights again, Calvert-Lewin's first-half effort the defender took the pace off the ball, before the other defender cleared off the line. But he should have buried the one near the end, even though it was bobbing when it came to him. Bill Gienapp 120 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:29:53 That was the sorriest "new manager bounce" I've ever seen – a wax statue would have had as much impact on the touchline. I'll give Moyes the benefit of the doubt since he's been here for all of 5 minutes, but those claiming to have seen improvement on the pitch today are squinting through some seriously thick rose-coloured glasses. Bill Gall 121 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:30:24 Well the majority of supporters that write in wanted Dyche out so he was fired. In comes David Moyes and there were mixed feelings with his hiring. He is here about 5/6 days and holds his first training session 2 days ago.One of the commonest feelings among Everton supporters was we had a poor squad and needed some new players brought in to improve the team and squad. Today's game showed what a difficult job any Everton manager will have without new players added. We never got blown away and Pickford never had to provide difficult saves to keep us in the game, plus the new ruling that appears to be given to referees, that fouls are only to be given outside the penalty area, inside the area it is allowable. Today's game we hope, showed Moyes what changes should be made and not judge him, it will take 4 or 5 more games to make a decision of whether there is progress or not but, as they say, the clock keeps ticking. Jimmy Carr 122 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:31:14 Brian (115),Patterson at right back, Armstrong wide right to start with. Moyes said we need to score goals, well pick some players who look like creating them then. Not Young and Harrison down the right side, Young cannot get forward, he's too old, and Harrison… does it need spelling out? Jonathan Tasker 123 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:31:55 Calvert-Lewin is a League One player.Unless we get in at least two strikers, I think our 70-year spell at the top level will end this season. Ernie Baywood 124 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:35:10 Adam – you're going to get pelters!But it was obvious that the 'same players in the same positions' were actually in different positions. They were further forward. Both with and without the ball. Sometimes they were even in the opposition box...I thought it was a big effort by a group of players who are below the level of their opposition but still capable of more than they've shown this season. I don't want to put too much stock in a losing effort, but if we are braver then we will score more goals. And we were braver.I'm still surprised we didn't see Patterson. It felt like that game was made for him, particularly late on when Villa sat deep and we had men in the box. Jim Wilson 125 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:38:12 Totally gutted.Moyes did a near perfect impression of Dyche, except even Dyche eventually realised Patterson had to come on for Young to start putting some crosses over.But Moyes chose O'Brien. Absolutely clueless.Maybe Moyes will make changes for Sunday but I have no confidence in Moyes making the right ones. We may well be in crisis by next week.This was the game to make the subtle changes that would make a big difference. Young, Harrison, Doucoure out; Patterson, Lindstrøm, Armstrong in.When Royle came in for Walker, even when Dyche came in for Lampard, we got an immediate response. Tonight we got nothing, and could have been two down in minutes.I am horrendously worried tonight. Ian Edwards 127 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:42:03 The fact that Dreary Dave clearly hasn't got off his arse and watched videos of our previous games but instead picked the same team and formation as Dyche is astonishing. He's basically turned up for work on his first day and made the same errors that got his predecessor the sack. Andy Meighan 128 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:44:18 I said on a different post the other night, at least in Moyes's last tenure, I never had any sleepless nights… I've a feeling I'm in for a few between now and May.That, if I'm being honest, was as bad as anything under Dyche. I was gobsmacked when I saw that side before the game. It's obvious Doucoure has struggled all season, it's obvious Harrison cannot play on the right, yet Moyes put the same square pegs in the same round holes.In 9 of the last 11 we've failed to score and, if we persist with that formation and personnel, I doubt we'll score another goal, let alone win a game.Unless he gets a couple of players back and at least 3 in, I honestly think we will perish this season.These players don't look like it hurts them enough, they don't seem bothered when we concede, no fight, no bottle, no urgency – it's the same lazy lethargic football.I don't think these players realise how serious this mess is, it doesn't hurt them enough. Jim Wilson 129 Posted 15/01/2025 at 22:47:52 Spot on, Ian.It really is unforgivable. Andrew McLawrence 130 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:01:32 All the talk about quality players coming in…Just who exactly? Who would come to this omnishambles? Martin Berry 131 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:07:01 A blessing in disguise? Same team that Dyche would have chosen, it did not work, we knew it, Moyes now knows it. We move on and learn.Give the new Manager time and show some patience!! How were you lot in our first day at work in a new job? Jim Wilson 132 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:16:19 Martin, If you don't know that you need to bring Patterson on to put some crosses over, you should not be in the job. Mal van Schaick 133 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:21:01 This was an important home game, and for the new Manager not to treat it as that, by indicating that it was a ‘whirlwind' introduction, is bullshit.Moyes should have at least changed something to stamp his own idea on the game prior to kick-off.We haven't got the time or games left to mess around. Get the players in on Thursday and change the game plan, that is the whole idea of recruiting a new manager. Edward Rogers 134 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:22:23 Just watching MotD.Apparently Calvert-Lewin isn't the only striker to miss chances, would you believe it? John Keating 135 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:24:12 I have to admit I, like so many others in the alehouse, were speechless when the team was announced.Personally, I was gutted as pre-match I'd been advocating for 3-5-2. I couldn't believe we sent out the usual 11, in the usual formation.As soon as I saw that set-up, the result was ominous. I still can't believe this shite. Unbelievable…Same team, same tactics, same result. What did we expect? George Stuart 136 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:26:50 I can't really understand the number of passes to opponents. It's staggeringly high.Poor players under pressure stuff up.DCL the number of times it's easier to score than miss. I don't get this either.Pickfords keeping saved either three or four certain goals today. If he were a striker that would be a good day's work. Dave Abrahams 137 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:28:14 If you didnt know Everton had changed managers five days ago then you wouldnt have realised they had watching that game.Carry on carrying on with the same eleven players starting same like for like subs, two ‘keepers on the bench, very slight attacking moves, same unenforced mistakes creating chances for the opposition with one giving the game away, same late subs, chances missed with the one in the last minute really poor, last twenty minutes was like the Forest game not long ago with the players not wanting the ball passing the ball to each across the field when forward momentum was called for, well screamed out for, on the good side teams below continue to lose so we are still in with a chance if they continue to do so.No blame on the new manager ———yet——its his first game, he did nothing nothing that the dismissed manager hasnt done loads of times this season.We need guile and plenty of it but doubt we have the players to provide it along with good passing, movement and wanting the ball instead of treating it like a hot potato.One last moan——what the fuck is wrong with Branthwaite he hasnt been the same player since he came back and loads of times tonight he looked, to me, that he didnt even want the ball mostly giving it back to Pickford or whichever player gave him the ball and giving the ball away very carelessly and one which provided the winning goal for Villa. Fred Quick 138 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:31:08 New Everton manager David Moyes admits he is not a magician and will have to turn to the transfer market to solve their goalscoring problem after a suffering a double blow in his first match back in charge at Goodison Park.“Ultimately it is not just this one game tonight, it has been other games and I think it is there for everybody to see,” he said.“Its not something Ive just come in and said, ‘Were not quite good enough at finishing.“By the way, I cant ‘magic all that to change, I just cant doNot a magician, but over the next few weeks he'll have to produce something that gives this club a chance to improve the goalscoring record this season and ultimately our chances of remaining in the top-flight. Villa were a decent side but not out of this world, but they didn't have to be, in fact too many visiting sides don't have to be much better than ordinary to take something away from Goodison, as Everton are not really threatening up top. Just heard the commentator say that Villa haven't lost at Goodison since 2015, and Sunday's opponents Tottenham also have a fine record at our place in recent years. We have to accept that we're not very good, and we'll experience more results like this before the end of the season, but it's those games against fellow relegation rivals which will ultimately decide our fate, it'll be touch and go, which we've known for quite some time. Doucoure, Harrison and Dominic Calert-Lewin have been fairly poor for most of this season, and we can't rely on them to produce anything substantive on current form, trouble is nobody else will buy them from Everton in order for us to strengthen this team. Mike Gaynes 139 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:32:29 Jim #125/#132, not sure why you're so angry. O'Brien put in a couple of crosses that were better than anything I've ever seen from Patterson. Touch and accuracy. Unforgiveable? Not hardly. Tony #117, remember we have four "new" players coming back from injury, and three of them are starting midfielders, including our best attacker. I'm not sure we're going to sign anybody who will make as much of a difference.Ernie #124, agreed. I thought we were more aggressive in this game than we have been for months. Bill #121, I don't like that Moyes is here, but that's a perfectly sensible post.Jim #108, I wouldn't take Myko off the pitch for Sunday. We were hoping some underperforming players would raise their game under the new manager. Myko certainly did, as did Tarks. Both had their best games for several months. Edward Rogers 140 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:35:42 Just watching M.O.T.D.Apparently DCL isn't the only striker to miss chances, would you believe it? Paul Ferry 141 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:38:19 Yeah Ed(ward), but those other fellas actually do score goals. That's a somewhat huge difference. Ian Pilkington 142 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:38:57 Leighton was in charge last Thursday and presumably must have watched most if not all of our PL matches this season.So surely could have advised Moyes to leave out the embarrassingly poor Doucouré, not under any circumstances start with the truly dreadful Harrison and rest Young and play Patterson? Jim Wilson 143 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:39:59 No team can play to a decent standard when the right hand side is terrible and your number 10 creates nothing and keeps losing possession.There are other issues but Young, Harrison and Doucoure are dreadful and need dropping. There are other players who can improve these positions. Fred Quick 144 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:45:07 Just an addition to my previous post, the last time we defeated Spurs at Goodison in a league game, David Moyes was in charge in December 2012, let's all hope that he can somehow repeat the feat this coming Sunday. Dave Abrahams 145 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:45:59 Mike (39) Mike are you sure you saw OBrien put three or four good crosses in tonight,he only came on for the last ten minutes and Im struggling to remember him in Villas half of the field,except in the penalty area for corners and free kicks which I think he was brought on for, he was another who played the ball mostly sideways or backwards, when it was urgently needed playing forward. Edward Rogers 146 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:50:19 Agree Paul, but it just seems like he's an easy target. Yes he's poor and has zero confidence, but he's far from the only one in my opinion. Despite all that, we will not get relegated this season. Paul Ferry 147 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:51:24 Fair Edward. Paul Ferry 148 Posted 15/01/2025 at 23:54:35 'Couple' of crosses Dave A (145).By the way, Dave, I was thinking of you when watching this: Chelsea/us 14-10-1967. Over thirty minutes of highlights. Some names in that team! Enjoy! (I won't tell you the result, but you probably already know it!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8L0mTjBi5o Ernie Baywood 149 Posted 15/01/2025 at 00:01:13 True Edward. For example I've seen it posted that Calvert Lewin should have had two goals tonight and he's nowhere near Watkins' level. That's the Watkins had two clear one on ones and missed the target with one. Not sure how you can then expect Dom to score twice with the half chances he got.The only criticism I've got of Dom tonight is missing the target for that last chance. It wasn't exactly an easy finish and he was past the front post when he connected, but he just had to hit the target from there.Scuffing it over the bar is unfortunately the standard for a guy with limited technical ability in front of goal. That was his chance. Derek Thomas 150 Posted 15/01/2025 at 00:03:18 Christy @ 119; "Why can't we play two up front, the extra man in midfield offers nothing going forward"And on the evidence of a 0-1 defeat - even less defending.The old regime was given one last chance - and blew it. Though why wait until the 82(?) min to go 3-5-2.That said; we only have 18 games left - 2 Vs the rs (net 16?) for Moyes & Thelwell to get Injuried players ready to go, offload any they might want to, source any in comings, then shuffle the pack each game in the hope of getting an 11 that works...and that's without any more Injuries.The Spurs game now generates even more pressure, though to be fair, plenty of pressure on Postacoglou too.We win and it's Still P20 / 20pts. 1pt per game, which is too close for comfort.It was stated on here 15+ yrs ago that Moyes did not seem to fulfil Napoleon's main requirement in a general...is he lucky?Well let's hope he's got a bit luckier...(bank balance not withstanding)... we're going to need it - though that was always the case this season whoever was in charge Brian Denton 151 Posted 15/01/2025 at 00:12:21 Paul Ferry (148) thanks for posting that. We went through a phase in the late 60s of drawing 1-1 at Chelsea, with a 2-2 thrown in for good measure iirc. It cheered me up after tonight's game. Paul Ferry 152 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:14:39 Great stuff Brian.So glad it lifted some of the gloom!This has loads of old 60s/70s MOTDs.https://www.youtube.com/@YeOldeFootballChannel/videos Andy Mead 153 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:20:53 Switched to a 3-5-2 towards the end. I feel with this squad of players, that's the only formation that might work. DCL and Beto up top, Ndiaye sitting behind in a free role. Got to have some creativity as once again, we could have stayed out there all night and still wouldn't score.Maybe Moyes had to see for himself just how poor Harrison and Doucoure really are. He wont have a lot to spend on new players so I'm hoping he is ruling out players as such, to prioritize what position to buy? Not a lot Moyes can do about the big mistakes Young and Braithwaite made. You see it every week in the league, stupid goals given away with dreadful back passes. All for the sake of keeping possession. Makes no sense as the keeper will mostly just belt it up field anyway. Maybe I'm old fashioned but if you keep the ball away from your own goal, the opposition don't score? Rob Dolby 154 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:25:47 A marginally better performance probably due to players trying to impress the manager.Harrison looks absolutely devoid of all confidence, he could have been dragged off at half time everything he touched turned to shit.Villa on paper have a better team than us with probably only Branthwaite in for mings but on recent form Branthwaite is a lucky lad keeping his shirt.I didn't think villa deserved the win. A snide shit bag of a team with a shit bag of a manager which in todays football is sadly par for the course. A weak ref who whistled for anyone hitting the deck except for the clear push on Lindstrom in the box.Only plus points, Moyes has seen first hand how shite Harrison, Lindstrom and Doucoure are. The hard bit is replacing them as the squad is threadbare. We need Garner and McNeil back asap.Moyes has to get Ndiaye closer to the opposition 18 yard box. He is one of the few that have the hunger to win a game.As bad as Beto is he deserves a chance ahead of DCL. The lad will run through brick walls.Roll on Sunday for one of those early kick offs. It doesn't get any easier supporting the blues. Jim Wilson 155 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:28:39 Mike @ 139 - you've surpassed yourself. I actually said I was gutted and worried but you manage to deduce I was angry.I could tell you what you are but my only concern is the team.You should try it and suggest what needs to be done.If you think that playing 3 central defenders is the way to get us out of trouble so be it but I will disagree.Patterson needed to come on for Young to get down the wing knit play together better and get some quality crosses over. That is what Patterson does. O'Brien is a central defender and won't be getting down the wing much at all. No team needs 3 central defenders. It is ridiculous. Don Alexander 156 Posted 15/01/2025 at 00:30:27 Having read a good deal about the Freidkin take-over and its complicated-to-me financial shenanigans, and having long adjusted to the bentness of the Premier League when it comes to any notion of fairness ever being applied to so-called "top" (i.e. owned and mega-financed for years regardless of fairness or accountability) clubs, I have to say that I'm perplexed by those of us who seek signings in the next two weeks to alleviate our perilous status in the league.So bad was Moshiri and Kenwright's "management" of the club they owned and directed that we are still parlous on account of PSR bollocks when it comes to signing anyone.In addition, Everton for years under those two divvies have been identified the world-over by rapacious agents and their nowhere near good enough players as the financial/contractual heaven they all dreamt about in their mediocrity. We're still in the possession of a notable few of them.So, signings to improve us this month?Dream on. Brendan Fox 157 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:34:11 Moyes did himself no favours starting with the exact same favoured Dyche players in exactly the same formation, it showed no endeavour or imagination expecting a different result which is frankly ridiculous.Something drastically needs to change in the setup of the team both formation and players to start posing more of a goal threat to get a win and much needed points, playing it safe and playing for a draw is not going to be enough.There's players to come back from injuries but they might not be match fit for a few weeks but they will offer the team more creativity and threat when they do get back, unknown whether there's going to be any players boughtTeam for Spurs:3-4-3 or 3-4-1-2PickfordO'Brien Tarks BranthwaitePatterson Mangala Lindstrom MykoSherif Ndiaye BetoWe're currently on a losing run of matches where the team has offered little to no goal threat albeit marginally better this evening but still nowhere near enough threat so drastic measures to change our fortunes and the script.Be brave Moyes and you might win some sceptics over, stay in Dour Davie mode and things will go south and sour in no time. Paul Ferry 158 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:40:57 Brendan, I would give serious thought to dropping Branthwaite who has been very poor in recent games. Brian Wilkinson 159 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:42:31 Broja out til at least April, send him back, terminate Harrisons contract and get two players in for those loan spots.Right wing, centre forward and left back a weak link, as is Doucoure who struggles to even play a 1 yard pass.If Moyes has learned anything from today, Harrison and Doucoure will not be starting Sunday, Mykolenko needs to get his finger out as well.Overall I thought we pressed better got further upfield, but the build up play was way too slow.Baring anyone coming in, I would look to play Tarks, O,Brien and Branthwaite as a back threePlay two wing backs to get further up the pitch, switch Doucoure for Harrison Armstrong and this might surprise a few, I would start with Beto and Martin Sharif as a two forward line. Rob Jones 160 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:43:13 Paul (158), 100% agree on Branthwaite. I don't think his head's been turned, but he's been poor all season. Tarkowski as well, though he's been playing injured for a lot of it as well. Brendan Fox 161 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:47:21 Understand where you're coming from Paul regarding Branthwaite's form, I picked him over Keane for balance in a back 3 being good with both feet and his pace Paul Ferry 162 Posted 16/01/2025 at 00:54:40 Good point Brendan. He has Rob, hasn't he. Perhaps my biggest disappoint up to now in a disappointing season. It could be that he was suffering in a pretty bleak time, although he was poor again tonight. And perhaps dropping him will rock his confidence. One thing for sure; he will not be in Tommy's first squad. Another; Jordan will be and will start. Bill Hawker 163 Posted 16/01/2025 at 01:09:25 This squad needs a complete overhaul and we just don't have the funds or financial position to do it. It's bailing wire and duct tape for the rest of the season unless they dig up enough pocket change between the couch cushions to buy another Ndiaye type player or two. Andrea Jacobs 164 Posted 16/01/2025 at 01:14:38 TFGs appointment of Moyes is clueless and desperately out of touch with the modern game. Get the BFG in, or start playing OBrien at least.Its not all doom and gloom yet, but it could turn that way very quickly.Its so uncertain, will we get three players in before February?It feels like maybe this wont happen, and if it doesnt, were screwed. Cant see Moyes finishing this season, hell be dismissed too late, March/April time, and itll be up to Baines to save us. This is all Dyches fault. Mike Gaynes 165 Posted 16/01/2025 at 02:02:40 Jim #155, you used the words "clueless" and "unforgiveable" so it certainly seemed angry to me... sorry if I misconstrued, but do feel free to "tell me what I am" anytime you want. However, I remain confused as to why you so adamantly wanted Patterson when O'Brien filled the same role -- allowing Young to get down the wing, from whence he accomplished nothing. Maybe the right move would have been to push Patterson up there. But if you're expecting quality crosses from Patterson, maybe to Dom's head... it's a dream. I don't recall ever seeing one from him. Dave #145, oops. O'Brien floated a lovely ball to Myko at the back post right on 90 minutes, and I thought it was his perfect ball to Mangala's chest for the deflected shot a minute later, but on consulting the replay I realized that was Tarks. Sorry.Andrea #154, apparently we will get three and perhaps four players in before February. Their names are McNeil, Garner, Iroegbunam and Chermiti. John Keating 166 Posted 16/01/2025 at 02:22:29 ShockingIs Dyche still there?Same everything Tommy Carter 167 Posted 16/01/2025 at 02:35:18 Im not sure why anybody is surprised at the lack of change implemented by Moyes following on from Dyche. After all, Moyes is on record since taking the job as saying that he thought Dyche was doing a good job. Colin Glassar 168 Posted 15/01/2025 at 04:22:36 Is Moyes, Dyche in disguise? Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. How to get rid of these ads and support TW © ToffeeWeb