Maupay reacts to moronic abuse at train station

https://x.com/BAKETHEBEST/status/1827792247154516248?s=19

Jeez, No wonder some players want away.

If those people think that they are helping our club, by shouting abuse at any Everton staff member or player they are very much mistaken.

Sad times that we live in.

I can't understand why they would think doing this would be in any way helpful.

I understand the frustration but expressing it in that way is counter-productive and not helpful at all.

I hear similar most weeks at Goodison, tbh.

Fans are exhausted and have no one to complain to. Moshiri doesn't care and isn't present and Kenwright was a complete imbecile.

The ‘fans' behaviour was wrong. And yet the 5-year-old child in me understands it.

We're all so sick of this uncompetitive incompetent crap. It's so mind-numbing. It's so soul-destroying. It takes every ounce of fun out of being a fan.

Being an Evertonian is an absolute chore and has been for years...

"You fuck off!" he said I think - and he didn't like it!

Another terrible advertisement for the club.

Morale rock bottom throughout the club and some motivational words by a few mindless idiots thinking they will make it all better.

I can't get that link to work, but I'm guessing it's the video of the team arriving back at Euston for the train home.

Like Ben, either right or wrong, it's a way of showing the players how the fans feel. I put it on a par with those two dismal performances In the space of four days down at Bournemouth two years ago. These trips aren't cheap, and I'm fully aware that it's our choice whether to go or not, but surely we can expect better, and if something like this video finally gets through to the team that the fans demand better then surely it's not all bad?

At least an apology from Dyche wouldn't hurt, but so far there has been nothing, and I'm still waiting for an apology for those two visits to Bournemouth.

Why does he need to stoke the fire even further? You're a professional footballer — keep your head down and ignore it.

It does appear that the abuse from that fan was aimed at Maupay, but I don't know why, considering he never even played yesterday.

It also looks like Holgate was about to lose his rag and wanted to punch someone's lights out.

Well, Neal, I would think that most people wouldn't accept that their behaviour on the platform is normalised.

However, you might want to try working in the response services, Fire, Police & Ambulance, or perhaps in an off-licence, local shop, in fact pretty much anywhere that a bully or bullies can intimidate people. It doesn't make any of it acceptable but it happens every day of the week.

Hurling abuse at players in the dire situation we find ourselves in, do these people think it will all of a sudden click to them and they'll start performing like Beckanbaurer or Pele? It's absolutely pathetic.

Why Maupay needs to respond is just as bad. He's got form for being a wind-up. The sooner he's out the club, the better.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I've travelled back from London many times when the team have been on the same train, albeit they will have first class to themselves, and security on the connecting doors between carriages, ensuring nobody can get through to them.

Last night, the team got off at Runcorn and it would only have needed any one of those abusers to see that and jump off. No doubt the club will now need to re-think their travel plans for London games…

We have decent followers but, by god, we have as many emotional misfits as any. There exists a cabal of cancerous posters on this site who appear to view the word "hate" and personal attacks on club employees and fellow fans as acceptable. They are kindred spirits of these cowards.

If someone walked into your works and said what these fans said, you'd respond the same.

He's a professional footballer, no need to stoke things up even further. Maupay is a windup merchant.

In October 1975, I was at Euston after a 5-0 hammering at QPR. We cheered the manager, Billy Bingham, and the players all the way along the platform to their train. Different times.

You are right. As at every club, the Everton fanbase reflects wider society; the good, the bad, and the ugly.

You can see why Calvert-Lewin wants to leave.

He's a tad worse than the people at the train station. Just a smidge.

Ban them. But the damage is done, would you as a prospective player see that and see coming to Everton as an opportunity? I would run a mile.

Yes, the fans are upset, players are human and have every right to respond to it. (Would they have said it to Duncan Ferguson if we had lost and walked past? No, I don't think so…)

Yes, we should ban them (don't give me the crap about free speech, it's abuse — you open your mouth and spout hate, you deserve the consequences) but the damage to our team and reputation, as if we needed it. A few more might want away after that...

And I for one don't blame him.

I wouldn't overplay it too much.

Maupay probably shouldn't have responded but it's hard to blame him. I'm sure he'd be pretty frustrated too.

I imagine most of our players would want away. Why would you want to be at this club if you could earn elsewhere?

It doesn't do anyone any good to have yobs mouthing off abuse. But Maupay is more famous for abuse himself than playing football, so maybe he should self-reflect and see himself in these ignorant punks.

He also appeared to want Brighton to beat us last season. He is a bit of a rat in all honesty.

Thank God he'll be gone this week and we won't have to see him at the club ever again. Hopefully the modest fee and wages saved will bring in a new face.

Well said. What other job pays you £50 to 100k a week for a few hours training a day before sitting on the bench in public for 90 minutes?

Sad days.

I don't know how that endears the players to what is largely a passionate support base. I hope those young supporters clamouring for a shirt at the end of a 4-0 drubbing with a long trip home didn't watch that.

Like supporters chasing cars down Goodison Road. They soon shut up when big Yerri got out of his car.

Idiots. I standby for incoming. But I'm open to it for anyone who wants to discuss.

My take is, it's not football as we knew it any longer, but an expensive circus and also coming under the (alleged) 'umbrella' of entertainment. People wouldn't have season tickets, for say a prestigious opera company, and on witnessing a shambles of a performance, without complaining vehemently.

So what's the difference? While not the perfect analogy, those stage or opera performers are so rehearsed and professional, they rarely make mistakes, and if they do, the average Joe wouldn't even notice.

Somehow we knew it wouldn't be a smooth final season at Goodison.

Although there was frustration amongst the supporters in the stadium, I didn't see any resentment. Just resentment.

One idiot doesn't represent Evertonians. The last thing we need now is division. We are better when unified as supporters and players.

Obscenely overpaid pampered and privileged footballers versus us mere folk with normal lives, who just want to see "a little" over many decades in return.

Yes, of course footballers are overpaid and the whole industry feels increasingly tainted and separated from real life but that probably has more to do with the agents and the various shady enterprises investing in football these days.

Maupay is a wind-up merchant who's done very little for Everton (though he's not been on the pitch much to do anything) but he's right.

Of course there's anger and frustration, but swearing and ranting at the players like that is embarrassing and unhelpful. Potential new players (chance would be a fine thing) may well see videos like that and pause for thought.

It's not representative of the Everton fan base in general but nonetheless such behaviour should be called out.

“Sticks and Stones May break my bones, but names will never hurt me”

So a few fans congregate on a platform and hurl expletives at the players, but Maupay in particular. Now in no way am I condoning the actions of these fans, but let's face it, who wouldn't have been tempted to say something, given the opportunity, having just witnessed a second spineless performance in the space of a week?

Maupay, or any other player, wasn't hurt in any way, other than their ego perhaps, but it's a job where something like this could easily happen. You don't perform to a level that's expected of you then you face possible consequences, abuse etc, such as walking into a London railway station, knowing very well is very likely going to be full of your own fans, not in exactly the best of moods. As Kunal said earlier on, Maupay and everyone else should just have put their heads down and carried on walking to the train. Mason Holgate looked like he was looking for someone to thump!

So a few Everton fans congregate on a train station platform, and shout some obscenities, unlike a few thousand RS fans, who congregate outside Anfield, waiting to hurl bricks and bottles and flares at the team coaches of Man City and Real Madrid…………

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5578517/Liverpool-fans-set-flares-welcome-Manchester-City-Anfield.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/liverpool-real-madrid-bus-attack-b1831748.html

Or how about this, an ambulance carrying the Man Utd player Alan Smith, taking him to hospital with a broken leg, bricked outside Anfield.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4742360.stm

So like I said, in no way am I condoning the actions of a few in Euston station on Saturday evening, but be prepared to be labelled the most vile fans on the planet, when in fact that accolade firmly belongs across Stanley Park.

And don't forget, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me”.

It's a horrid watch and the togetherness that helped the team stay up the past 2 years with the fans now appears to have been replaced with anger, resentment and an attitude such as mine at present of “I can't be arsed”. I hate feeling like this.

I was in Greenwich market yesterday and saw an artists description of Everton's history. l would normally point it out to the wife and buy it (with permission!) but I just walked past, couldn't be bothered.

Gotta love tribal bias.

For what it's worth, Maupay is a little prick and, if anyone invited it, he did.

I'm not happy that either Holgate or Maupay are still at the club. We can't afford to be paying their type of wages for no return... But is that their fault?

Both of these men desperately want to play, but because they could not play to the required standard, they don't get selected. They have both demonstrated they are willing to go out on loan in order to get a game. So what do people expect them to do? The club spend millions on players nobody seems to want and all we can do is blame the players.

There is a very real issue at this club. I know it may go on at other clubs, but other clubs are not my concern. Players deemed not good enough become targets of hate. It doesn't matter how hard they work, once the bandwagon starts rolling and the haters start to further fuel eachother's hate, it becomes unacceptable.

Tom Davies gave all he had to this club. Yet even when he was injured for most of his last season here, he was relentlessly abused. Even right here on ToffeeWeb. barely a day went by without somebody spitefully referring to him as "Tom dogshit Davies" — Genius. Is it any wonder he turned down the option to stay?

What is it with these football experts ? The team has been hammered by 4 going on 9 and all they can do is abuse the people who are not even playing... <>And please don't give me "It's a tiny minority". This place and other social media sites were awash with abuse of Holgate for a week simply because there was a possibility he may play at Spurs… By the way, how did it go without him?

Is it any wonder Dominic Calvert-Lewin won't sign a deal that will make him possibly the richest player ever to play for this club? Listen to the stick he takes. Not just at the match, but all over social media.

Can anybody really blame Anthony Gordon for refusing our offer and going to Newcastle? Social media was awash with hatred for him too, yet people claimed it was just a couple of dickheads chasing him down the street.

Like it or not, Evertonians are developing a reputation. One which will do nothing to lure players with other options to come to us.

Some will (with justification) claim the press has ceased upon every chance to enhance that reputation, but we have an increasing number of fans who keep giving them the opportunity to do it.

We have a magnificent following, Our support is the best in the land. Those magnificent fans must unite to condemn this disgusting behaviour. We cannot allow the toxic element to define our club.

I honestly believe that, by trying to justify it, we simply encourage more of the same.

Absolutely brilliant, balanced post.

Also accepting that these are difficult times for our club, but we must stick together to get through this, starting with a win on Saturday.

It matters not one jot how much players get paid; hardly a person on the planet willingly works for less than the market value — and as for what fans of other clubs do — pack it in.

We've seen this wholly unacceptable behaviour before and it is entirely counter-productive. How often have we heard opposing players say "Bide your time and fan toxicity will surface and their players will dissolve"?

We get what we deserve.

Well said, an excellent post.

Fans have got to be rallying around the players in the hope that performances will improve, we are only two games in for crying out loud, players back after the break and maybe some in before the deadline. Performances will improve and the results will come in due course.

As for those morons abusing the players, they shame the club and shame themselves.

5- or 10-hour round trip, £150 minimum, on the beers plus no doubt coke for some others, to watch Everton get humbled for the 4th season in a row.

Awful tactics, nothing to celebrate, dreadful players. This is where the club is at. It's been run into the ground with no points, no leadership and points deductions waiting if you want change.

I don't condone it, but is it a surprise, no, not at all. There's a section of fan base at boiling point.

A player can only escape a 'toxic' atmosphere at a club for swearing-free pastures if that other club is enjoying success on the pitch, and even then, it's not a given.

A winning club is a happy club, 'twas ever thus.

I guess that fan's behaviour might be covered by the following public order guidelines...

Public Order Act 1986

...in which case, why didn't the police arrest that guy? Or did they?

Seeing as your post is a dig at mine, I won't pack it in.

Once the national media and fans of other clubs get hold of this, we will be labelled as the most vile fans in the country. As I said, I don't condone what happened on Saturday, but what's worse, screaming abuse at someone, or hurling bricks, stones and flares at opposition team coaches?

I'm not prepared to be labelled “vile” by the media and fans of other clubs, just because of a few mindless idiots, but the media etc need to be reminded that there are worse than us.

And if you don't like it… Tough!

Try 1984-85. Beaten 4-1 by Tottenham followed by a 3-2 defeat to West Brom.

Lazy journalism.

"Beaten by 3 goals or more".

I think the point is that the margin of defeat is 3 goals or more, not that we've conceded 3 goals or more.

Hopefully see you tomorrow if you're going.

We all knew we'd get bollocksed by them on Saturday, and shouting abuse at players isn't really going to help anyone. Yes, fans have the right to be upset, but shouting abuse at people isn't going to get you anywhere other than potentially locked up or banned from stadiums.

I mostly go to away games because I don't live in or near Liverpool, but if we get beaten heavily (I was at the Chelsea debacle last season), I don't go screaming at anyone about it because I'm an adult.

People need to grow up, and realise it's their choice to watch Everton, in the knowledge that we're shite and likely to get humbled by the better teams, like Spurs (love it or hate it).

It's pissed-up middle-aged men, probably on the beak, getting all upset. Much the same as they probably were throwing wheelie bins at the Old Bill a few weeks ago.

Neal Maupay needs to keep his head down because all he's doing is stoking the fire. Stick to losing football matches, old son.

Not sure if I can get there tomorrow, though I've bought my ticket.

It was 2-1 at West Brom in 1985, I was there. Adrian Heath scored for us and then we won our first game at Chelsea on a Friday night which was televised and I recall Kevin Richardson scoring for us. Glory days long gone.

I am finding it hard to care anymore about Everton. There never seems to be a glimmer of good news about us these days. I'm convinced this perennial ongoing fiasco is causing a mental health crisis amongst Blues!

Everton lost 2-1 at West Brom the game following the home defeat to Spurs. I was there, it certainly didn't signal how the rest of that wonderful season would pan out.

On another note, not all the people assembled on the platform at Euston were there to abuse the players, some of them were high-fiving our players.

Beaked-up, boozed-up thick fucking chavs.

Stick to throwing bottles at police vans, you thick embarrassing cunts.

Stop trying to defend them because you can't.

I suppose I got mixed up as the years grow.

I still won't endorse the behaviour of a few, but I don't think Dyche has helped with his recent comments and I've mostly been supportive of the job he's done in difficult circumstances.

It feels like he's starting to make excuses.

Who's trying to defend them?

I don't recall one poster who's said anything in their defence.

I think all of the frustration stems from watching a team that shows very little attacking intent, but that is the responsibility of the manager, who is reluctant to change his 10 men behind the ball.

We have been through 3 seasons fighting relegation, and going into the new stadium, the fear of kicking off the first season in the Championship is just unthinkable.

But until Moshiri sells the club, there won't be a change of manager, so maybe Dyche just doesn't seem to understand the fans. He has suggested our fan base go from hero to zero, hinting that our fanbase is fickle, which is nothing like the truth.

Our fans always take their full allocation of tickets for away games and have done for years, there arent too many clubs who would do that if they had been fighting relegation for the last 3 seasons.

Our fans don't expect to be competing for a European spot as Dyche suggested, but they would like to see our club show a more attacking intent.

Dyche has signed O'Brien who played in most friendlies, Ndaiye who looked good against Roma although only on the pitch briefly, and Lindstrøm who scored in his first friendly, yet suggested none of them were ready to play as they lacked Premier League experience.

Yet he started Dixon which I was delighted to see, but Roman hadn't kicked a ball for the first team, so where was his Premier League experience???

Dyche's comments were a little heavy-handed but I tend to agree with the sentiment. We go from applause to abuse and back again in a heartbeat.

The majority of TW'ers tend to be a bit more considered than your average match-going supporter from what I can see. Or it could just be there's time to calm the emotion, write it down and see the bigger picture.

My lad said he never noticed Caklvert-Lewin or Sean Dyche with the group.

It was an utter disgrace of a performance, totally alien from the last game against Spurs down there. It doesn't excuse the profanity — the club is in danger of tearing itself apart. The ownership must be solved quickly as a start, then stability.

I don't care if other supporters are just as bad — I'm ashamed that those cunts are Evertonians.

No one is defending the actions of a few and the vast majority of us have nothing to be ashamed of.

I just don't think his previous comments were not helpful.

The last thing we nee is a toxic atmosphere between the supporters and the team. Forget what is going on around the club and lets focus on what happens on the pitch.

I get frustration on the back of a poor result, but it is too early to have the doom mongers out.

Hopefully tomorrow will give us something to cheer about. Although some will no doubt suggesdt it's only Doncaster.

I don't care. If we're in the next round, I''ll go home with a smile on my face.

As if the whole micro economy and globalisation of professional football with its high wages are the players' fault. As if fans have more right to verbally abuse players because of it.

Players get paid what they do because that's the market. Basic capitalism. They negotiate a contract and the club agrees or doesn't. It's the club who pays what they see as the market value. We've probably over-paid on wages the past 10 years due to our desire to improve. But again that's the way it works.

It's akin to people trying to compare nurses' wages with footballers during the pandemic. Irrelevant and reductionist. Players get paid what they do because the football industry generates that level of money. Capitalism has no morals.

On the whole, Evertonians are fairly good, but no better nor worse than supporters of other clubs.

Feelings run high after a bad defeat. I have been on the West Country Blues coach home after many of these- indeed the journey home after the Brighton game was miserable and that didn't get anywhere near to the feeling after a defeat to our Stanley Park neighbours.

We can all be critical of players or the manager or indeed the owner but I was shocked to the core to see the treatment of the players and club officials at the train station after the defeat at Spurs. The abuse hurled at the players was astonishing, intimidating and bewildering how a small group of people( I can't bring myself to describe them as supporters) could go to the station for the purpose of abusing the players who they claim to support.

The video of this incident is on YouTube and the national press are reporting on it this morning. They of course are already rejoicing in the opportunity to build yet another crisis withe two bad defeats, our best players likely to be leaving this week and around 50 new PSR charges still to come( I exaggerate here but you get my drift).

The last thing we need is for dangerous idiots like this bunch to scare prospective new players or indeed owners from joining the club but given the agenda evident in the national press our club will fall even further down the list of desirable places to work!

West Country Blues are  emailing the club to assure them that true supporters want to distance themselves from this behaviour, we condemn all involved and hope that the club bans them for life. Hopefully other official supporters clubs up and down the UK will do the same.

Everyone forgets the antics of the red fanbase over the years of course.

He goes on loan and gets service and goals. Then returns and gets dog's abuse from some scrote at a train station and uses his own social media to criticise the abuse he and his teammates received.

He is entitled to call it out on his own Twitter and if the abuse hadn't taken place then there would be nothing to report.

Every club has idiots supporting it, every single club. I'm sure we all have some sitting near us at every home game. I have one who travels from London and all he does is call any player who makes a mistake a "cunt."

The thing to remember here, and to put things into some sort of perspective, is that the idiots in the video make up less than 0.05% of the 39k or so of us who don't behave like that.

Unfortunately it does reflect on all of us and the club in general but, as yet, there's no laws preventing people from being absolute tools, worse luck!

As for Maupay, he needs to grow up. Nasty piece of work with a real french fry on his shoulder.

Once again EFCs fans dragged through the mud. Nice one, fella.

Joni Mitchell — another great Evertonian.

I don't really wish to wash this situation in my own (seemingly) sentimentality but I din't see a live Everton Game last season. I was in isolation for almost 8 months with cancer, absolutely close to death on several occasions.

One of the Consultants was a Blue and I watched the derby win from my bed and talked with him about Everton and Evertonians.

I came out of hospital in May, weighing 40 kg (5 stone) with no hair. I was determined to get to the first game of this season against Brighton, and I did.

I put on a bit of weight, got my hair back, went to The Dark House, saw my friends, including Danny, and went to watch a dreadful game and performance. But the thought of "no" Everton was a low point for me…

These fools (someone said Neanderthals — they were incredibly bright and lasted longer than our current society) do not represent me or my club (who drive me to abstraction most of the time).

But Joni's right, I will be at the Doncaster game, in The Dark House before…

"I must admit it's getting better (better),
A little better all the time (it can't get no worse)."

Up The Blues.

Disappointment is expected sometimes and we just have to move on to the next game. Yes, the future looks bleak right now but we have to think that things will get better.

There is talent at the club and, under the right management, (maybe not Dyche) it can be brought to fruition.

I think he was referring to anybody that had to share a carriage with them.

Need it after Saturday

These guys so rarely come into contact with our fans that they think they can drift along on Easy Street.

I hope that little shithouse never plays for us again.

I've seen these types loads over the years when I was stewarding, men old enough to know better, beaked up as fuck, full trackied & 110'd up like a ketwigged teenager giving it the Billy Big Bollocks, spewing bile infront of little kids and basically showing off infront of their thick mates.

I've seen what appeared to be overseas fans looking very uncomfortable and quickly moving away from these insular-minded pricks. We are an embarrassment at times cos of these fucks and it's such a shame as most of our fans are decent people.

And yes, it's sad about Sven, a real character. Will be a big loss to the game.

He said: "I hope you will remember me as a positive guy trying to do everything he could do.

"Don't be sorry, smile. Thank you for everything, coaches, players, the crowds, it's been fantastic. Take care of yourself and take care of your life. And live it.”

Of course the media will make the most of it.

Whoever thought that the squad and officials going by train was a good idea though.

Unless everyone gets 100% behind the team and the manager, there is every chance that this club will end up insolvent.

Dyche at the end of last season's fixtures was in the running for manager of the season; now we have lost the first two games, he is deemed the worst manager ever by some! Make sense of that.

Changing the manager every 5 minutes is one of the main reasons we are where we are.

I couldn't agree more. Changing managers as often as we change our socks is not going to achieve anything. We need some hard-headed consistency and character back into the club.

In turn, we do need the manager to do more of what he did on Saturday and introduce the new talents that we have brought into the squad and help them to blend into a group of players who blend into a team.

A total PR disaster when we least need it.

It could even help dissuade anyone who was thinking of buying into the club to save their money.

So what? — everyone is soft!! Nobody would ever lay a hand on them, we are somewhat civilized.

This is football!! It means more than scoring goals and kicking a ball around. These bunch of bellends are taking our hard-earned money and treating us like fools!! Fuck them all, except Jordan, Jarrad and Seamus.

So what if a few ultras let them know what we mostly all think! It happens in every league, we know football is tribal.

Maupay is indeed a cheating dirty rat, and the rest are cunts, except Jordan. I thought the lads summed it up well in the 59-second video I seen 🤷🏻‍♂️ ..

Not a good look for Dyche though… Moyes in to save us and bring us all together. Can't we all just get along?!

What must them new lads have been thinking? "I haven't even started a match yet… what basketcase club have I joined???"

"We are paying customers and freedom of speech indeed means we can stand and shout these things at the team."

Sean, perhaps, perhaps okay if it doesn't break any laws. Not an expert but I suspect, as I observed above, that it might break some laws.

You are wrong on every level.

You could not go into a workplace and watch an owner scream disgusting abuse at a member of their staff for any reason. It just wouldn't be acceptable. This shouldn't be either.

As I always say, it's just my opinion, and I fully respect everyone else's opinion too who thinks I am wrong. Not looking for drama, just chipping into a public forum with an opinion of my own.

They are grown men and they know what they sign up for! I wouldn't yell any of this to a ladies team mind you…

I still love all of you and we stand together as always, just differ in opinions is all. But no I'll probably get shouted down like it's the 1600s and shunned. Such is the world now…

Also to the comment above. If a member of my staff takes £80 grand for the week and strolls around for 90 minutes, I'm absolutely expecting harsh things to get said.

We are all paying customers, pal, and, whilst we are as pissed off with the state of our club as you are, it doesn't mean we have to act like thick turbomelts.

Ultras lol, hilarious that... give it a rest mate. This is football? And it means more than scoring goals?? Isn't that the fuckin absolute point?

If we were actually scoring goals, all would be rosy and there would be no need to discuss this nonsense. Wow!

But who is the knobhead that posted it on X for likes? Oh I see, he is an RS. Many thanks for that, 'cousin'.

I suspect very few of us do not have intense feelings of frustration, even anger about our current plight; but almost all of us have enough manners not to engage in the abuse that was being hurled.

One might argue that a football club is doomed when fans don't get emotional and start to not care. I feel I'm getting dangerously close to that point.

We must win tomorrow evening and follow up with another win on Saturday as things could start to become toxic and we cannot allow that to happen.

The International break is coming at a good time for us.

Now I'm a big Tom fan but, as a paying customer, I believe I was well within my rights to call him a cunt, tell him to fuck off and shout '$20 million a movie' at the red carpet at the Baftas.

One of the more observant responses on the (awful) Daily Mail online site commented that Everton fans are showing signs of "crisis frustration" with all of the problems around the club's existential crisis season-on-season welling up?

I think there is something in this, but I expect most of us would have sufficient self-control so as not to be personally abusive towards players, especially in close proximity as happened at Euston.

I think the players and manager must have understood the depth of disappointment at the end of the game, what with a three-quarters empty away section, and only half-hearted clapping from the remaining faithful.

Richarlison's kind gesture just made it worse for me: He full well knows what level of commitment is needed to appease our fans, and he had it in spades… Boy, do we miss him?

You're not within your rights to hurl abuse, no, but I suspect what would actually happen is that, if you kept watching bad Tom Cruise movies, repeatedly, you'd find another actor you like whose movies you would watch or spend your money on other things.

That said Maupay is wrong, many professions have to deal with daily abuse — NHS workers, police, flight attendants, restaurant workers, pub staff, bus drivers, the list goes on and on. So on that note, they are detached from reality.

"Once the national media and fans of other clubs get hold of this, we will be labelled as the most vile fans in the country."

But we won't.

Criticism will be rightly leveled as per every such incident at any club but even if you were right — so what? Aren't we big boys now?

The actions of other fans has no bearing on the moronic behavior on show; it is neither an excuse nor any concern of ours. Any diversion to the contrary is ill-considered.

Is the club 'punch drunk' at present? It would be understandable given the major difficulties it has had to endure for quite some time.

A little bit of good fortune and wins and everything will seem brighter, and hopefully some momentum can be gained.

I would say that we have a better squad than last season.
What we don't have is a happy camp. Dominic looks fed-up that his move didn't come off and, for all we know, Branthwaite might feel the same way. Maupay looks like poison, and has now pissed on his chips, so to speak.

We look goal shy. Unfortunately, I can see Bournemouth out playing us again next weekend. In between, Dyche will pray that nobody gets injured midweek. So expect a junior side and an early exit.

So Dyche could feel the heat turn up very high, very soon.

Anyone that attends Goodison regularly should not be surprised by this type of behaviour. Many of these ‘fans' can be found quite easily with a simple, cursory glance across the terraces.

We all know the type … grey, grey, grey.

Grey trainers, grey shorts or tracksuit bottoms, grey tee-shirt and of course, the required man bag worn diagonally across their chest. (The man bag is also easy to spot as it will be black which compliments the outfit perfectly. Inside the bag will be a vape.)

They often congregate outside The Brick on County Road - one hand down the front of their shorts, the other holding a pint of Madri. Their look is completed with a spliff hanging out of the front of their dazzling turkey teeth, and a pair of wild staring eyes which (as previously mentioned by WW) can be attributed to the devil's dandruff.

When not abusing our players they can also often be heard saying their well known catchphrase: "Lad, lad, lad…"

That description just screams for a documentary on them, filmed at a safe distance, and with expert commentary provided in the hushed, marvelling tones of David Attenborough.

Incidentally, did any of the papers, MotD, etc remark on the applause and chants of Super Kevin Campbell that rang out all around the stadium last week?

In my 63 years of attendance it was, to me, one of the most moving moments ever. I doubt if any of the press mentioned it though.

Any abuse I hurl at him will no doubt inspire him to do better next time. The prick, lad, lad, lad.

If it wasn't that, it would be something else. We are hated by everyone. Anyway, teams were hoping to see us relegated and had a helping hand off the Premier League. And who got us through it? The fans.

Oh, and you get a few knobheads at every team.

However, as these people are on video can they be identified and in the same vein perhaps we can find the security video of our former Chief Executive being put in a headlock. Oh, and has the late Chairman's picture surfaced yet?

As you sew, so shall you reap?

I agree with you that any criticism will rightly be levelled at us, as a fan group that is, and of course what fans of other clubs have done in the past should have no bearing whatsoever on events last Saturday, but I'm not going up and down the country for the next nine months taking verbal abuse for something which was, well just verbal abuse, albeit disgusting verbal abuse. No bricks, stones or flares were aimed at the players, unlike those vile bastards across the park, who were intent on trying to cause any damage they could to those team coaches, damage that could have had serious consequences, and people should be reminded of that!

And as I've said, in no way do I condone the actions of those on Saturday.

Devil's advocate (and I'm not defending the moron who hurled abuse) but why is it ‘acceptable' to call someone sh1t or crap or useless as part of the fan attending crowd but not at the train station?

Maupay has been winding up Everton fans for months - the club that employ him!!!

Holgate has been absolutely useless for years. And I'm mean that. He's a fancy Dan that thinks he's great but he's such an awful option that an inexperienced 19 yr old was given his debut by a manager famed for avoiding playing youth.

The players have been letting down the club and manager and fanbase for YEARS.

It wasn't violent. Nothing was thrown. Not a good look but also not a massive deal

Rob, yes the behaviour by the other lot has been worse - both can be the wrong side of a line, though.

It damages their confidence and that is compounded by abuse reminding them of how bad they were.

Some might say they deserve it and some will say they earn mega fortunes while providing very little but as we all know there is the carrot and the stick and the carrot works better in most cases.

There is a lot of frustration and concern about particularly regarding DCL refusal to sign a new contract or even an extension and the fact we still have Maupay, Holgate and Keane on the books and an absence of a decent RB but that is not the fault of the players. I feel many of them will feel the same frustration as us.

Moshiri is the main culprit with his dalliance with 777 and procrastination of agreeing a sale but Thelwell and SD should bear some of the criticism for the weakness of the squad and poor team selection and tactics.

It seems to me that SD having had 2 seasons success at keeping us up has now become frustrated and is feeling the pressure more than ever because with no points deductions and a few incoming of his choice no longer has excuses nor a cause to rally around.

IMO there will never be 3 teams as bad as those last season and many teams have strengthened so the players no matter how good or bad they are need inspiration and motivation and certainly do not need the venom that was thrown at them at the station.

Oh wait, he's not to be seen and doesn't give a shit. When the face of this club is never present what does it tell the rest?

I cannot wait until Moshiri is gone.

It's a cliche but the season starts tomorrow and deffo against Bournemouth. Bournemouth is a cup final now.

If you have been affected by any of the issues raised on this thread then please contact TW directly.

It is vital that our lowest point was Saturday. Our club needs a lift more than ever.

This is the week for the players to earn respect.

It looks like Civil War, but it's one fella. Agreed, it's not one fella who's upset, it's a lot more.

It's polarised, if you are searching for Everton online, you'rE more likely to find the video of the fan screaming at players than the fan getting Richarlison's shirt, or Tarkowski giving his top to the kid.

I'm not happy with what's happening at our club, I'm not happy with Dyche. I'm not stupid enough to look at these videos and say that's what all Evertoians think!

If you do then you might as well go and scream at a bus!!!
Tell that bus how it's all Holgate's fault!! Maupay caused all this!! And Michael Keane is worse than Trump!!

Great to see your post.

You're some Evertonian, and a better man I reckon — keep on keeping on, I wish you well.

If Everton played in Italy, Italian fans would have lynched the players and Moshiri if they'd have managed to get their hands on him, if they'd had to endure what we have over the last 3 years.

Walter White 58: Those Neanderthals screaming at the players are nothing less than an absolute fucking embarrassment to the club and the decent fans we have.Beaked-up, boozed-up thick fucking chavs.Stick to throwing bottles at police vans, you thick embarrassing c**ts.

Do you see the irony Walter White? You are equally as bad as “those neanderthals” but in your case from your own angry keyboard.

By the way, Walter, you might want to do a little research and you could if you do it right actually find out that calling someone a “neanderthal” could actually be a complement as in: “Those archaic humans who survived on earth for a far longer time than us in torrid environments (to which they adapted to much more successfully than we have to ours) with fairly sophisticated technology, tool workshops, built dwellings in caves with much better insulation than many modern homes, made fire, cooked, roasted, made clothes and bedding, travelled by sea, had excellent knowledge of plant and mammal life, and so on (there's more)”.

James Marshall 62: The majority of TW'ers tend to be a bit more considered than your average match-going supporter from what I can see. Or it could just be there's time to calm the emotion, write it down and see the bigger picture.

You made me think about that James. Not sure I agree (e.g. our Walter). What I do find interesting is the stream of outrage and condemnation that emanates from people on here sitting tapping who did not buy their match tickets and pay for travel, get up at some ungodly hour while the non-matchgoers are still having comfy zzzzzzzzz, spend money on necessaries, negotiate often dodgy territory (on the underground, for example, Seven Sisters Road), are themselves vulnerable to abuse and attack from knobhead home fans, have to put up with 100 minutes of shite, trudge wearily away from the ground with a long and miserable trip home ahead of them (by now the TW live forum lads and lasses are tucking into their evening meal, a crafty glass or two perhaps, checking what's on TV), suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune of public rail, as in one case from Saturday get home at midnight 20 hours after they got up etc. etc. etc.

They are the fully paid-up customers, not me or anyone else on a chair, sofa, bed, floor. They dug deep for the club on Saturday. We didn't. So, I'm not surprised one jot to see home and away Rob Halligan having a rather more nuanced and empathetic view of this that in no way at all supports the behaviour. And, of course, we get the usual suspects who have a pop, but RH knows who they are.

I most certainly do not condone this action but I try to put it in context that might be a little more realistic than all those spitting one- or two-line comments above me on here. My largish paragraph is not meant to be any sort of endorsement of the furious one, two, or three (every club has him/them), but I do have sympathy for anyone who was in our end on Saturday, whether they want it or not. I would have expressed my pent-up frustration differently, but that's neither here nor there.

The sight of those who let them down so badly was clearly too much to bear for one, two, or three people. (You would think the number was 1,000 or so from some of the self-righteous hysteria on here.) It brings to mind the image of well-off toffee-nosed tits who walk past beggars without ever giving them a penny or second look (the erm “professional” Maupay was wrong and the erm “professional” Holgate needs a good talking to).

Jay Evans [112] Brilliant.

Interesting little Fact: Neil Maupay, a striker, has scored the same number of Premier League goals for Everton, as Tim Howard, a goalkeeper!

"Maupay has been winding up Everton fans for months - the club that employ him!!!"

He last played a Premier League game for us in the 22-23 season. We loaned him to Brentford last season and he scored 8 goals for them. Does that constitute winding us up or responding to a game plan that matches his skills?

In defence of the supporters at the train station, I have none. That little fat fella with the big gob is an embarrassment to the human race.

Maupay was mocking Everton on social media last season when we would lose — he's an absolute prat.

That little fat bloke is no doubt rock hard. I'm sure he could have battered the 8% body fat, in their prime athletes.

But he was entitled to, I suppose.

Maupay whingeing about it on social media is not a clever response but understandable if he genuinely believes he is trying his best.

There seems to be more than one fan's irate voice and we don't know this was the only incident as the players approached the train.

If it was an individual, it's a shame he didn't have a few sensible mates to intervene and make some attempt at lowering the temperature by giving some context to their buddy's exasperation (which we can all sympathise with).

When they got off at Runcorn, my missus, who was waiting for me as we were on the train behind, saw them walk off the train straight onto more team coaches.

It's the bit in-between from Euston to Runcorn that nobody can vouch for, but extremely unlikely anything happened as the squad would have been in first class, with access denied to get in there.

There is a whole lot of frustration building up in the fan base with such inept performances. Players who cannot even get into this woeful team, seemingly quite happy to take their wages and not make an effort to get selected. Unfortunately, that's the way it looks.

Fans are now suddenly part of the problem. Do not headlock anyone at Everton, please!

Evertonians can be worse than anyone but, at least most of them are honest and upfront, which is not something you can say about Maupay, who always comes across as a snide little fucker, imo.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=olSKJH1Mzkc

Thanks Rob Was unaware of that.Didn't realise they got the coach to the train station. It makes sense.

Despair in the Fans after years of ineptness and mismanagement will manifest.But those involved in this instance could find themselves visited by the authorises and are doing Evertonians no favours.They could end up regretting their actions.

As for Maupay I find it hard to think of him as a Everton player.If I had had him pointed out to me at the train station, I would be surprised to see him.

Am I mistaken in thinking he was in the French World Club Squad.AlsoTosun was the spear head of the Turkey attack as they tried to stay in the World Cup.

I have alway ( for 20 years ) maintained that Everton has become a graveyard for careers.It is not a good career move. for a footballer.

It's one or two pissed up morons shouting abuse not the whole fantastic traveling fan base.

If only the players were as bothered as the morons shouting the abuse.

I used to be a team leader for a large supermarket where every little helps... If I had a pound for every time I was sworn at, threatened or abused over things as trivial as a delivery 5 minutes late, or someone getting 19 apples instead of 20 I'd be a rich man. And don't get me started on how many times I 'Ruined Christmas'.

Abuse is a depressingly normal part of life, normally by over entitled idiots, or just plain morons. There are times where its born out of pure frustration, which is still far from acceptable behaviour.

As fans we expect players to put in 100% of effort and leave everything on the pitch, off the pitch I expect them to behave in a manner which befits our club, and we will hold them to that standard.

The same mentality must apply to us as fans, and our behaviour off the pitch (out of the ground) must show that same class we expect from them.

I got approached outside of my work by someone unhappy with getting told no, and I felt free to (Very unpolitely) suggest they leave me alone and in which direction they should go. Players don't have that luxury

Am I missing something?

You would've thought the Spurs coach was smashed up to listen to you. I don't condone it but it was only a few people.

To call the fans an embarrassment to the club, the club has embarrassed us more than anyone. Strangle-gate and points dedcutions.

If you want embarrassment, look no further than the club itself and not the fans.

Thanks

Because it doesn't answer it. ULEZ means you get charged if you want to drive a non-compliant vehicle into most of London, not that you can't.

Are we saying Everton are really that skint they can't find a coach firm with compliant vehicles and they can't afford the charge?

It's not because of ULEZ they are using the train (likely to be hugely expensive) it is because of what ULEZ is, in part, reacting to.

Driving into / through London is an ordeal most would opt to avoid because of the amount of traffic. Far less stressful to use the train to get you right into the heart of it and then a coach (most likely electric these days) to get to the ground, and the reverse for the journey home.

ULEZ might be a problem for a low-income earner getting fleeced for the ULEZ-compliant vehicle they need to replace the old banger they only use occasionally, but it's not a decisive factor for Everton when arranging their visits to play in London.

The old brown and tan Bedford coach that Kenwright bought second-hand from the production team that made the Carry On films will sadly no longer manage a trip over 15 miles also.

Mind you, the club probably has about four or five coaches, so two could drive down a good few hours before the squad jump on a train.

We saw two club coaches at Spurs on Saturday and when the missus was at Runcorn on Saturday night waiting for me, she saw the team get off the train and board coaches, and there's no way they could have got back from London that quick.

I was thanking him for replying to my question. Fully up to speed with everything regarding ULEZ, now that you have responded.

So I will thank you. I personally think the club are not that skint to seek alternative arrangements.

We have had the Gordon incident, Iwobi family incident, Calvert-Lewin's bang on the head, and recently the Euston Station incident, plus others. It is absolutely unforgivable and we will never know how badly incidents like this could affect some of the players.

Never mind how it looks. I don't care how much someone spends watching Everton, this is unforgivable.