End This Nonsense, Now!!!

It is a difficult situation for TFG but the result of doing nothing before it is too late doesn't bear thinking about either and will cost more than it is worth. I know that change doesn't always work but I can't see that doing nothing will either.

Gardening leave for Mr Dyche as soon as a replacement has been sourced.

These lads have played in the top division in England, Italy, France and Germany. They've played International football, and a couple of the older ones have even played Champions League football. Yet we serve up the most dismal football I've ever seen.

A better manager would get more from this squad, let's just hope we find him sooner rather than later.

Those others at the bottom are probably relishing the Everton problems whilst not overlooking their own.

It's so sad we are facing this situation again after what went on in previous seasons.

It's easy to say ''oh, there's a long way to go yet'' but whilst no changes are made how can we be optimistic.

A poor result against Peterboro may just be the nail in Dyche's coffin.

Dyche's tactics are without a doubt stinking the place out and, yes, it is out of a sense of duty that we still turn up at Goodison to watch this dreadful stuff, but we haven't replaced Richarlison, or Digne, or Gordon, or Sigurdsson, or even Iwobi or Onana with anyone even approaching their level of ability. Meanwhile the best full-backs in the squad are approaching free bus-pass age.

At this stage, the best I can offer is that sacking Dyche will probably make no difference to whether we go down or stay up, Our fate lies in the hands of Leicester and Ipswich.

- Managerial appointment

- Thelwell contract extention/New DoF

- Players out of contract

- Identifying new players to bring in during the summer

All this together with transitioning to the new ground. There is alot lot going on here and the work needs to begin now.

Seperately, I feel the Goodison send off won't be a joyful one but more likely a nervy one.

I just wonder how key those last two home games against Ipswich and Southampton will be crucial to our survival.

Manager Discusses Saturday's Opponents……..

"Their manager has done a good job because he's managed to change their style. I respect that. They've got much more straight forward in their football. They've got players with quality, players with energy and they're forming a unit, which has been successful so far this season."

If you’ve noticed this in other managers, Dyche, then why the fuck can’t you change your/our style, instead of sticking with the same old shit? Against the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City, your system was perfectly executed, and a system most of us would accept. However, your system against the likes of Southampton, Forest and Bournemouth we simply do not accept.

We all accept that we lack quality in some players, but with the right coaching surely that could improve to a certain degree? You’re supposed to have “Earned” (😂😂😂😂) your coaching badges, so coach, and change things around now and then, instead of sticking to the same old shit, otherwise, what’s the point of you having coaching badges? What you do, anyone of us on here could do, without the aid of coaching badges.

"I don't dislike Dyche as a person" — I ask myself, "Is there really anything about him that is likeable?"

It's lacking in class to make it personal but this is our club and he is an affront to everything we should stand for. And there's that £5M a year…

A little contradictory I agree re Dyche, but as I've got older I'm trying to be a bit 'kinder' where personalities are concerned.

In fact, the only recent Everton manager I've disliked to any degree was Koeman. Arrogant beyond belief, and not half as talented as a manager as he was a player. He honestly believed he was much too good to be manager of Everton.

I know for a fact he was first away from Finch Farm at the end of training, only to be seen a few hours later, in Alderley Edge in a restaurant with his entourage. Not a nice person.

On top of that, Dyche has not had the players' ear this season right from the start and set up a system as a result that attempts to control the players rather than develop their strengths. He also decided he had no scorers in the team and set up for anyone to have a potshot. Those that suck up in training are selected, and those that are not aren't.

Dyche is not managing the team – he is trying to control it to keep his high wages, with the advantage that, if it does not work out, he gets a big payoff anyway.

Allowing Dyche to use the club this way is not on.

In saying this, I actually think Dyche will be hard to replace right now – a club in freefall isn't the most attractive proposition although the money will be!

Whether Dyche goes tomorrow or stays until the end of his contract make's no difference whatsoever to the amount of money he receives from EFC.

If. however, he keeps Everton up but is let go anyway he will at least have enhanced his reputation as a relegation battler. If we go down with him at the helm he's probably finished as a Premier League manager.

Dyche is as invested in Everton's future as anyone.

I wish that was true and I respect your opinion, but I am a bit more sceptical. Controlling the players rather than managing them is a good fit when you really look at what is going on, Brendan.

I agree he will get the same money whether he stays or goes. The big layout referred to the sums involved.

I think a new manager is needed to remotivate the players and the matchgoing fans. Both are essential if Everton are to progress this season. This is now not going to happen under Dyche.

I really expected Dyche to kick on this season but from pre-season it has not happened. I also thought that new owners would provide a boost, but that hasn't happened either. The above is what I think the problem is on both counts.

I didn't mind the cost or travel under Silva or Allardyce… but not now.

Dyche must be ousted and we come up with a replacement. Not Potter. Not Moyes. For me, it should be Carsley. Bring him in on the understanding he keeps us up until the summer to get the role permanently.

I wouldn't be that bothered if they went with Moyes but I suspect that was an obsession only our deceased former Chairman had. As for Potter, I have no idea. Brighton are run like clockwork and he crashed and burned at Chelsea, who have ruined the reputations of many elite coaches.

Carsley is an intelligent man and would hopefully bring players through the youth academy instead of them going off to prosper elsewhere.

It's got to be better than this nonsense.

Coleman and the players themselves take on the task of planning for the next game. This would include tactics and team formation.

My wish for 2025 is the eventual appointment of a new manager.

Peter #1... I would assume that the people who matter are listening very closely indeed. All of Friedkin's many successful business endeavors -- cars, resorts, movies, golf courses -- depend on an acute awareness of the customer's response to the product. Just because they haven't taken action or made public statements (they generally don't until it's time) doesn't mean they haven't heard the fans. They may simply not agree, at least about the urgency of the situation.

Oliver #12, they will assuredly have had communication with not only potential managers but candidates for the CEO and DoF positions. They may even have made selections and are negotiating right now. We will never know until it happens. As you saw in the negotiations to buy the club, Friedkin doesn't tip his hand, ever. Remember, he walked away from Moshiri in July -- end of story. And we knew nothing of his coming back in until we heard his chips hit the table.

Personally, I'd bring in Davide Ancelotti with a few loans from dad at Real Madrid till the end of the season.

Embarrassing that Dyche hasn't been sacked yet. The Posh might be the final nail

To the person above who said the only manager they didn't like in recent years was Koeman, I am staggered. You are clearly a more rounded person than I as I couldn't stand quite a few of them! Benitez, Allardyce, Koeman and now SD, awful.

Please can we get a progressive and forward thinking manager. Its early days but Vitor Pererra's (sp?) start at Wolves may show us up further when recalling the "Lampard in" moment. Jeez we've had some duds.

I like the call for Davide Ancellotti, he is highly thought of, I like Carsley too. Both are a risk at this stage but one I would like to see us take. Just get this ape gone please.

Ashley Young has had a very good season for a 39 year old. But that's as far as I'll go with the praise. As an individual he's an absolute credit to himself. As a regular Premier League selection he's an embarrassment. Dixon is now 20 (and had a really exciting debut). Patterson is now 23. You'd think one of them might have had a few run-outs to see if they could offer more than a defender who has to stay at home for obvious reasons. My conclusion is that Dyche has decided that he doesn't need alternatives. Young does what he needs and the immediate future of the club isn't his problem.

You could repeat similar statements all over the pitch.

Is there someone who can play number 10 better than Doucoure? No-one knows, because Doucoure does exactly what Dyche needs in a number 10 (he chases and defends). Who cares about replacing him? It won't be Dyche's problem. Could Ndiaye have an impact in a free role? Not under Dyche he couldn't - we need him defending next to Mykolenko.

Could DCL find his previous form? No-one knows, he'll leave at the first chance he can get after doing his job and being Dyche's first line of defence.

Dyche has got people convinced that the players can't offer anything going forward simply because they currently don't offer anything going forward. Well that's not exactly a reasonable position to take.

As for his character I got pelters on here for comments I made about him in his first month or two. I still believe he's a weirdo, a conman, and a coward. I can't think of a single good thing he brings to the club? At 5M a year!

We are stepping into the dark here. Despite Mike Gaynes's assurances that the new owners have a CEO/manager etc. lined up, and his confident predictions, he knows nothing about what matters except his repeated assurances that they are top-notch capitalists and business men - Roma fans might not agree.

This next appointment is so crucial it's scary. The new owners have to get it right and how the feck can we be sure they will with their track record in Rome? All we can do is hope and the time to judge them is not now. We are dangling on a thread at their mercy. All fingers and toes tightly crossed.

But do remember Ernie you fecking unbeliever that our top hard-boiled egg told us a few days ago that 'we' - the hard-boiled eggs collective - have made the players ten times better .

Broja, Harrison, Lindstrom and Mangala. No more permitted.

Was revealing about James. And the time is more than past for him to get out of his dad's shadow. Good shout PH.

Both have to be on board for Everton to progress.

I thought only a total of four loans permitted in one season.

I'm hoping the new owners have the sense to understand that this situation can't continue, but also that we're not in a position to appoint someone. So an interim manager is the only one that makes sense.

You're dead right that the next appointment is huge. But the due diligence can't have been done for a permanent appointment – who would have done it? Thelwell? Is he even going to be around? Why would he be choosing the next manager until the club decides whether he's wanted in that role?

The fans should have been a real weapon this season. It's incredible that the club doesn't see that.

Exactly. Gaynes thinks of these new owners as some sort of Yank - surprise, surprise - business / capitalist saviours when in reality his views on them and Roma reveal his lack of understanding. But fuck me he can reel off stats.

'Due diligence' is your key term Ernie. The Yanks have shown a complete lack of that in Rome. They pick by noise. Thelwell, as part of the ancien regime, is, I hope, toast this summer.

Great call, Ernie, who the fuck is doing it?

We can but hope, mate.

Precisely the point I have asked in a couple of other posts. You call it due diligence perfectly accurately – I called it recruitment responsibility. Thelwell? or AN Other. I am not seeing anybody right now who could be tasked with that insofar as the manager job goes.

They (TFG) need to get their fingers out and make some decisions. It's not going to happen overnight and January will be gone before we know it. I fear that we may just be stuck with the current ensemble stumbling through to the season's end the way things seem to be going.

We got the customary historic club/great fans stereotypical drivel but silence since.

Let's hope that Gaynes is right.

The silence since that first message is deafening.

Completely agree Kim that the real realistic fear is a not much-happened-January.

But then, according to Gaynes, the vast majority of posters on here laugh at me and ignore me and have done so for years - apart from him - so what the fuck do I know, since my first game at age 2?

Totally frustrated and disillusioned fans.

A manager that has got zero confidence that his squad of players

can sustain attacking any team.

Dyche has got us over the line twice. Can the new owners take that gamble

he can do it a third time?

I agree, end this nonsense now.

I keep hearing TFG have built their reputation on listening very carefully, but who are they listening to ?

Dyche has many friends in the media who see him as some sort of miracle worker. If TFG group are listening to them. They are being lead up the garden path.
If they are looking at demands for tickets. They will assume the fans are happy.
If they are asking people who are already inside the club, they all seem thick as thieves and will rally around Dyche.

I am pretty certain they are not reading Everton forums like this, because Dyche would have been toast weeks/ months ago.

Given the size of this investment. I totally believe they are listening very carefully But who to ?

I think he's staying

If they change him and we go down they’ll be remembered as the ownership that made the decision that relegated us, if they do nothing and we go down, well, that’s their fault too. I think Dyche knows this and doesn’t care, he’d rather go now so he can say he did his job and he gets the same money anyway, while the ownership are hoping he’ll want to preserve his ‘firefighter’ reputation and keep us up. It’s a Mexican stand-off and a catch 22 all at once.

Warning signs surely was he was sacked 15 April and had won just 4 games from 30!

Dyche has looked disinterested for some time now, whilst making some strange comments along the way, and that's the main reason that I fear for Everton if he remains in post for very much longer.

If TFG can't or won't appoint a replacement for him then it would be far better for them to make an interim change by appointing people from within the club, like Baines et al and put the three-boiled eggs on gardening leave, at least that might give the fans and possibly the players a much needed boost.

Whatever happens doesn't guarantee Everton Premier League football next season, but TFG doing nothing might be viewed as playing Russian Roulette.

I think it just shows how traumatised we have become as apart from the odd boo at half time or full time no real demonstration to get rid of Dyche. Burnley left it to late in sacking him to avoid relegation, Everton make sure you don't make the same mistake.

It's lacking in class to make it personal but this is our club and he is an affront to everything we should stand for. And there's that £5M a year…

What a terrible response from our 'editor'. "Is there really anything about him that is likeable'' ????
Lacking in class written all over that statement Mr K - very poor from someone in a position who should know better.

Any manager who brings on Patterson and moves Young further forward in front of him, is having a laugh. Keep Young at RB and play Patterson as RM. That one change cost us the match as neither of them was in the picture, when Kerkez crossed to Brooks.

PS: Why did Branthwaite duck. The more I look at what he did, the less it makes sense, Unless he thought Pickford would get it, otherwise he must have thought sod it. Whatever it was it was very peculiar.

PPS: Mark Murphy Top Man.

On the due diligence question, I would expect every director of football to have a succession list for the manager role. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be doing their job.

Nor would TFG if they spent several months on an acquisition and didn’t make plans for the senior roles on the executive, operations or football side.

It will come down to an assessment of risk for them whether they act or not.

Add to those stats that this season we rank:

19th for goals scored
17th for shots on target
19th for goals per shot
19th for attempted passes
19th for completed passes
20th for completed through balls
17th for touches in opposition box
20th for carries into opposition box

Our attacking prowess and/or intent under Dyche is about as limited as it can be and surely impossible for anyone new to come in and cause to deteriorate.

The only thing we do with any degree of competency is defend doggedly, but any solidity shown is not achieved with the aid of a splash of secret sauce that only Sean Dyche knows the ingredients of. We basically get 10 men behind the ball, work hard, aim to deny space and stifle.

It’s the exact same way a lower league manager would historically set up a team to combat classier opposition half a century ago. The most basic form of ‘all hands on deck’ defending and it’s been around forever, from the first moment a football manager mouthed ‘fuck me’ and felt his ball sack shrivel at the sight of coming face to face with far superior opposition. Except, more often than not, we tend to try and perform the same trick whoever we come up against and then hope that what is now the oldest team in the league don’t get tired legs and can nick a goal from a set-piece now and again.

It’s not a tactic that couldn’t be easily replicated if a new guy decided he ever wanted to run with it, is it? Hopefully though they would look to achieve a balance Dyche hasn’t seemed that bothered with attaining and realise that employing such a rudimentary method almost exclusively (in tandem with the hoof forward to no fucker) is a faster, more effective and horrifying means of neutering all potency than Lorena Bobbit saying ‘morning, love’ while stood over the bed with a meat cleaver and (large) hot dog bun.

We are the lowest scoring team out of the entire 92 in the leagues in 2024. Quite why we aren't seeing empty seats at every home game is beyond me, and how we sell out every away game is even more beyond me. Our fans are loyal to the point of insanity, but this is unwatchable shite that's being served up to us.

I was for Dyche staying until the end of the season, however, I think he should go now.

Coleman needs to get the whole overpaid shower in and tell them the facts of life

Letting Coleman, Baines or the tealady take the team until the end of the season cannot be any worse than what we are getting now

If what I read on here is the case for the prosecution, I'm not sure he will need a defence.

Perhaps a bit more emphasis on the NOW!!!!!! when demanding his dismissal...Or maybe a few more stats that everyone was already aware of ?

He'll stand or fall on results. He may get away with not beating Posh. He may even get away with not beating Villa, but I cant see him getting away with not beating either.

Failing that. We could always hurry it up by posting "Has he gone yet ?"

"Down with this sort of thing, if that is OK?" 🤣🤣🤣

PS What board?

There is a text flying around “X” right now and it is saying that Dyche has tendered his resignation but the club are trying to talk him out of it.

Maybe we should start crucifying junior admin staff until we work up to the actual playing staff!?

Or even take all the players lockers away..?

Something really drastic. Even harshly worded post-it notes left around Finch Farm maybe?

Doesn't make sense to me, especially when he has been so defiant in the past?

Surely if Dyche tended his resignation, then he would cease receiving money from Everton, whereas if he waited to be sacked he'd be paid off as per his contract?

I can't imagine the Blues, as inept as we've been on and off the pitch for many years, letting him sign a contract that lets him resign and get the same benefits as being canned.

Former Burnley boss suggested his side's recent run of one win in 12 games "doesn't look bad on paper, if there had been a few wins".

Erm, well erm yeah, 'cos genius you pick up three points if you win a game. If you sit back and go for 0-0 then when your gameplan fails, you get nothing

A bit like saying, "If only I had been a lot wealthier and better looking, then I could have shagged Kylie Minogue."

I was a fan of his but this season is awful and he really doesn't look like he cares anymore…

I wouldn't read too much into the shite that often bounces around the cesspit that is X. I doubt the new owners would be fighting to keep him in lieu of his current form.

I think Tony is passing on a joke

Oi, Alan, easy — that's my Mum!

Last Season at Goodison and a New Stadium, New Professional Owners, Surviving in the Premier League with a chance to progress.

On all these count as opportunities that have been missed to harvest the new found optimisom.How may years have Evertonians waited to get so many positives.

But Dyche has turned in on himself obsessed with control and fear of losing.He is apart from the players and fans. They are craving something that they can get behind and play the part of the 12th man, but Dyche appears to be oblivious and unable to harness the positives.