Everton set to miss out on Hull's Philogene

I think Alan Myers has also said that no concrete offer has been made.

I would imagine we are skint until we sell someone.

Only 20, but decent strength and balance on the ball. Squad player maybe, but worth having.

Michael @ 4, I have read too that Asprilla may be the better option, but again we are hampered by finances at present, and our relationship with Watford… "I guess that's why they call it (us) the Blues" :-)

I suspect that we might get priced out of the move for Philogene – by Ipswich FFS who have already spent £20M on Omari Hutchison.

Easy to pick out a special moment and we have seen that in so many players who flop later – especially when they come to Everton.

Anyone remember a fantastic goal by Micky Walsh seen on the box (before YouTube) then he flopped at Everton?

What's the problem with our relationship with Watford?

I know they were upset we took Silva but we sorted compensation and have subsequently dealt with them twice more (Richarlison and Doucouré)…. what's the issue you allude to?

But it seems we're still playing safe by buying locally from lower divisions where prices are already inflated. I would love to see us unearthing gems from overseas lower leagues.

Ipswich doesn't deserve the FFS. Two straight promotions deserves respect. They're the real thing.

Agreed. Ipswich also have a top manager in Kieran McKenna.

But totally agree that they are a side to watch and have a manager we should maybe covet.

I reckon they'll repeat the story of their last top-flight adventure and qualify for Europe before getting relegated the following season.

I'm curious and worried that we don't seem to be chasing a right-back currently. Does Dyche intend to start Young or Coleman or Patterson there? Neither seem ideal as first pick and I would have thought it a priority position to re-inforce.

In fact, their net spend over the past few years is about €30M compared to us at break-even. Obviously that's a bit skewed but illustrates just how heavy our cost-cutting has been since Moshiri pulled the plug in 2020.

The mismanagement of Everton Football Club has been truly horrific; you only have to look at the the club's overall wage bill to realise that Moshiri chose an unsustainable path.

Hopefully we have already hit the floor and have already begun to slowly bounce back again with a well thought-out plan that is going to be guided by total professionalism.

They are well backed financially with a solid fan base in the fastest growing town in England. The football has been electric at times, especially given his squad quality compared to their competitors.

In order for them to keep McKenna from Utd and Brighton they have obviously promised him a proper run at the PL with some financial backing.

I hope they do well, I don't want McKenna at Utd as I think he will get them back to where they feel they belong, he is a Utd fan and has worked in the backroom there previously.

As for Philogene, he looks very promising but as Sam the man said, i'd be really happy with either him or Asprilla, both of whom i believe have what it takes. I'm leaning a little towards Asprilla as Philogene clearly has a twat of an agent, hopefully that is not an extension of his own self importance.

I spent a lot of time in Dorset at Blandford.

It will be interesting to see how long Manchester United stick with Ten Hag. I wanted him for Everton at the time. Coming from Ajax, he's probably more used to dealing with and developing young players as opposed to big egos. And he could have brought Pienaar with him to Finch Farm!

It will also be interesting to see how the Dutch guy gets on following in Klopp's shoes. It is a bit like those who tried to replace Ferguson at United. I wonder if Klopp is waiting for the German national position? That would free up Nagelsman, who is a talented young coach.

I think Sean Dyche is probably one of the safest at the moment, but football never ceases to amaze. He done a great job keeping the team focussed when the circus was going on around them. He's got my respect. He was the only voice of the club most of the time.

Agree: Dyche has done an incredible job, all things considered.

Despite their progress, I think they will do brilliantly to survive their first season after promotion.

Ultimately, his agent may influence Philogene towards Ipswich, and the Hull Chairman said that they are in pole position (not Everton). But, if I was a player and my agent advised me to choose a newly promoted side over an established Premier League side, I would sack him.

Could be a great signing for around £16M; he works hard and has genuine pace and flare to beat a man and open up space which is something we lacked last season.

Only 22 so lots of room to improve and has the work rate to make it in a Dyche team. Fingers crossed.

I am amazed that anyone would claim that Dyche did anything other than a fantastic job last season.

Two separate points deductions, limited investment in the squad, having to front the club's response to massive off-the-field challenges given the board had disappeared — no manager to my mind has faced such a challenging set of circumstances.

What a waste Moshiri's money has been under the boardroom run by Billy Boy and his hand-picked cronies, we can only dream of where we would be now!

Truth behind Everton's 'bid' for Jaden Philogene as Hull City star heading for exit

If Everton match that bid then he will likely come to us. It depends on whether we can agree a deal with Hull. Could go either way but I'm sure there are other wingers we are considering too (like Asprilla potentially).

I'm starting to get excited by the signings so far… for the first time in a long time. I think for the club in its current position, these players will be good buys, and finally players who are young and hungry.

That pathetic stunt they pulled at Barcelona was laughable. Barca said they didn't even know who Philogene was and told his agent to sling his hook. They wanted to take photos outside Barca to convince others Barca wanted him.

I trust the BBC report as I doubt Phil McNulty would allow such a report if it wasn't true.

They will also be the real deal when they are relegated at the end of the next season.

I think Philogene's agent and Asprilla's agent should play Rock, Paper, Scissors outside the Winslow to see who gets to sign for Everton.

Contrasting reports from usually reliable sources may indicate that his agent is playing games and trying to drive up the prices!

He must think the Championship is his long-term spiritual home.

I'd walk away now. Must be other players available.

It was a pity the club did not adopt that approach when chasing Sigurdsson, a player arguably worth £20M. We ended up paying £45M after the selling club kept raising the price.

Form – Ormstein has the most credibility (unfortunately) so unless we pull a rabbit out of the hat and/or Villa invoke their option by 10 July, it looks like he is going to the Tractor Boys.

This lad looks great I hope we get him… someone with a bit of the X-Factor is what we need. Dare I say a Maverick…

I can't wait to get a glimpse of Ndiaye in pre-season.

As the old saying goes, “Until I see him with an Everton….”

Professional bullshitters like Myers, Wyness, Romano, Bobble etc…should be avoided at all costs. It is fun though and this kid will be off next summer after Ipswich are relegated.

Well, actually I've no idea who his agent is, but he can't be as big a prick as Philogene's.

We are in the market for promising players hoping to strike lucky. Or for players no one else wants.

We'll end up with Bolasie on loan, won't we?

In fact, many of the Tractor Boys don't think he's going to sign for them and will come to us instead.

They just changed it to "Ipswich agree deal for Hull's Philogene".

Well sign or fuck off. Move on.

Anyway it looks like he's got an R Sole for an Agent and Thelwell has called his bluff. Villa have also put a spoke in the wheels for whatever reason.

So bye-bye Philogene and Hello whoever. We still have Ashley Young don't forget.

Stand our ground.

Having said that, some ToffeeWebbers will still go berszykwkak over something some spotty 17-year-old has posted on Goodison News! ;-)

A player has a value to us and, just because another club wants them, doesn't increase their value to us.

Ipswich are looking to boost their sqaud and may need to pay over the odds and bigger wages to attract players but that's how you end up paying £25M for Bolasie or £27M Klaassen and, if it doesn't work out, you are stuck with an overpriced player.

Move on, if he'd rather go to Ipswich then more fool him.

He told me three months ago that Asprilla was in the Richarlison class.

Not knocking Ipswich's achievements but, if this lad thinks their long-term prospects in the Premier League are better than ours, then he obviously hasn't got much up top.

Move on. Next Please!!

Maybe we will get Riquelme this time.

What does it say about Everton that a player of his potential prefers Ipswich? We used to be Big 5.

I see Ipswich are also chasing the young Man City striker Liam Delap, who was having an excellent timeon loan at Hull last season until injury ended his spell there.

He is the sort of player I'd love us to secure and bed in as a potential replacement for Calvert-Lewin if he were to leave on a free next year.

He may have the promise of more minutes at Ipswich than Dyche will allow him here. Which would say the player is interested in playing and developing.

It could also be a bigger signing-on fee or wages, which would say he's greedy… lol

Bottom line is we don't know the player's motivation but just because a player chooses another club isn't always a bad reflection on us.

Maybe he really likes being on the Eastern Coast. Maybe he is also thinking he might be an automatic starter for Ipswich versus competing for a spot at Everton?

Either way, as The Extreme song goes, "Mr Philogene if you don't like what you see here, get the funk out!"

Let him go to Ipswich. When they go down, he just may see the error of his ways!

Kudos to Thelwell – keep looking for bargains.

Midfield can wait until and if Onana goes. There appear to be a number of tricky wingers available but we want players who want to play for the shirt not the money.

We need to make our own valuation of players and stick to it.
Asprilla also looks a good prospect and he's 2 years younger.

As long as we have a plan on the type of players we want that's all that matters. It's always a gamble.

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If that's the case, then walk away. Anyone who favours ipswich over Everton clearly has no ambition.

Mike G, any chance Messi could come and bathe a few of our squad ? :-)

I didn’t know you and him went to De La Salle, when did you go there, I went from 1952-57, a bit before your time there maybe. The one in Carr Lane East was opened in about 1954 my third year there.

Just a guess as I cannot think of any other real reason as to why he would favour a move there ahead of Everton

I can think of one reason…

I completely understand why Ipswich could be a preferred destination.

But it's nice to be linked to these young, athletic, creative attacking players. I just don't believe it.

I don't think we will get another forward in unless one leaves. A 6ft plus freeby probably the exception.

I don't think they will be relegated next season, and as much as I hate to say it, I'm not overly surprised he's seemingly picked them over us.

Sign the player, you sign the agent. Don't need the crap that comes with it. Next.

All I would ask though is are they fast, can they run?

Because we've already got wide players on either side that have zero pace and don't need another one with that same limitation.

I am now leaning more to Asprilla because of the agent and this Philogene story stinks of him not having the right people around him.

I agree, we need someone who can come off the bench and make a difference with their pace until they can cement a place in the team.

I was at De La Salle, 1975-77.

You didn't have a maths teacher by the name of William Butler in your day did you?

Yes, I rember Mr Butler very well – a real character, an Irishman, a good teacher. I enjoyed Maths so always looked forward to his lessons.

He had a saying he used often: “Tell the truth and shame the devil” which was good advice as well. I don't think you can go wrong in telling the truth.

If I'm not mistaken, he lived over the water on the Wirral.

Assuming Colombia reach the final, he won't be available until after next Monday, so I'm guessing that any transfer activity will also wait til then.

Agent is a right troublesome twerp, and it says something of the player when choosing to be advised by the likes.

Give this a wide berth and move on. Interesting as the player looks, there are other options.

“Tell the truth and shame the devil.”

So he knew Kenwright all those years ago, and no-one listened apart from yourself, and a few others?

I can't find anything new on this transfer.

Sign that scumbag Greenwood????!!! You're talking through your surname, mate.

On this Philogene transfer. It's about time teams from the EPL were banned from adding conditions for players they sell. I understand why teams from lower leagues need these conditions but why EPL teams. Villa have really put a spoke in the wheels of Hull, by insisting that any club offering money must beat what they, Villa are prepared to put on the table.

As for this guys agent, give him a swerve big style.

So I take it you don't believe in forgiveness, I understand it is in the bible, but not read it for a good few years. Or that people make mistakes and accept them and grow as humans.

Or that a teenager tipped as the next big thing was under pressure and couldn't handle it. Maybe his teenage partner also couldn't handle it either and that is why she withdrew charges.

But no forget rehabilation of offenders and condemn the lad for the rest of his life. It's not that simple. I won't say too much but I have been on the receiving end.

Whoever signs this lad are in for a heap of trouble. If I was him, I'd be looking for a new agent.

About this transfer, it’s had a lot of beginnings but no ending, don’t even know if I really want Everton to sign him——-some agents are no better than pimps being honest.

Even if we do get him we still hopefully stay in the market for that kid from Watford.

Agree have to take some of reports with pinch of salt, but this was reported numerous times. Agent and club trying to promote a bidding war it seems.

And he wouldn't be called Mr. Butler, it was always "Uncle Paddy", a character like you say but he wouldn't be allowed to teach in this day and age.

Jack #94, Brother Alban was headmaster when I was there too, so you must remember "Uncle Paddy" also?

I was one of his "pets" as I'd transferred in with a couple of others to do A levels so got special treatment!

Worry not, your valuable contribution to these comments did not go completely unnoticed.

Bravo.

If hes worth it we will probably pay. Otherwise leave him. We don't need fringe players just in for the buck. We need young Colemans, Cahills and Artetas. Nothing else.

If Villa consider that Philogene is currently worth more than the price that Hull are asking then they might exercise their option, even if they don't view him as someone they need in their squad at present. They may even decide to buy him back and then loan him out to a Premier League rival this season, in the hope that another good season sees him double his value in 12 months. An underwhelming season probably sees him at least hold his current value. So it would probably be shrewd of Villa to exercise the option, as long as the asking price does not exceed what they consider his value to be.

Emery has done a very good job at Villa, but they are lucky to have had a bumper crop of youngsters that they have cashed in on. I suspect that in a few years Villa might look back at the likes of Aaron (and his brother Jacob if he leaves too) Ramsey, Carney Chukwuemeka, Tim Iroegbunam, Cameron Archer, Finn Azaz, Omari Kellyman and Jaden Philogene and wonder if they cashed in too soon on most of them.

I'm bored and I want the club to conclude more transfer business to prove it's not just a husk waiting for a tiny earth tremor to start it crumbling to just a pile of dust.

That said, money talks and, if Ipswich come up with a bigger bid… well, we all know what happens next.

They sold him for £5m and are buying him back for £18m. They will get 30% knocked off because off a sell-on clause, so a net fee of around £13m. for a player they had under contract a year ago.

£8m down the drain. Dickheads.

His agent has probably told him Villa is the best choice.

I mentioned Greenwood as a possible transfer a month back... still a controversial one with some Blues, sadly!

Still wish we'd go for Dolan at Blackburn... we still need a pacy wide man on the right.

C'mon Everton, we want to be excited again. Friedkin, where are you?

I am very disappointed about this one. A cracking footballer that lad.