Beto uses 'haters' as fuel to spur him on

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What we saw last season was a poor first touch, an inability to make the ball stick and some erratic finishing

We did also see some decent link up play, a presence up top and brute determination that led to decent offensive plays

So what will you show us this coming season because that will dictate the off field opinions

The Beto goes on.

Kieran #7, yeah, I think he does. Nice to have a regular reader, eh?

I've liked him ever since that storming 70-yard run for the third goal against the Barcodes. I like Ben's description of brute determination -- big, physical, fast and a relentless worker. He's not skilled or a particularly gifted finisher, no weaving dribbles or top corner shots from 20 yards, but I believe that given time on the pitch he will score goals.

I hope so. No one loves an underdog story better than me. I know Eddie The Eagle Edwards the UK version of your “Rudy”.But 26 million adds a lot of expectation to the underdog. We thought Niasse who Lukaku called “rough” was expensive at half that price. Denis Straq cost about a fiftieth of that. To quote Kevin Keegan “I would love it love it” if Beto came good but at this point Chermiti at half the cost looks a better bet not mention DCL at 4 percent of the price

He seems to have all the attributes that would be ideal in a striker/target man, yet to date, he is not very good in the air, seems like Bambi on Ice on the ground. Good work if you can get it eh ?

Wouldn't be too upset if he spat his gold dummy completely out of his expensive pram, and decided to steal a living elsewhere !

Or if he does come good (doubt it) I can wash the egg off my gob and get on with it !

It is when criticism goes over the top, becomes somewhat vehement, that can be destructive. From time to time this is evidenced by only a few on here, more because of the passion of our fans than meaningly harmful (me thinks!). I can't recall such level of this against Beto but I might have missed something. It might be nothing from this site, of course.

His comments do show that he has a sensitive side, which is not a bad thing unless it becomes self-destructive.

I'm no expert on the subject but for 76 years life experience.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and write off season one as settling in to a new league. But if he hits double figures I'll be astounded. I'd sell for the first decent offer.

One poster simply cannot post without being venal about players, fans and just about anything in life — although I suspect chemicals or a mental issue afflicts that poor soul.

Beto is right — he has haters — and this business of "If he proves me wrong, ah well" is disgraceful.

I hope he proves them wrong.

Beto, being very much an unorthodox striker, possibly used to unsettle more accomplished footballing defenders in Italy. But it's different in England, where most central defenders are very physical. He has now had a year to acclimatize, so let's hope he proves those haters wrong!

Some players have the mental fortitude to say "Fuck You" to their haters. They will do everything in their power to ram the words down their haters' throats. Others aren't quite as mentally strong (Barkley used to visibly wilt) and will be crushed by them.

I don't believe there are blurred lines. Criticising a player once or twice, even harshly, is fine by me. They get the big bucks and are there to be shot at. It's when it becomes obsessional that it becomes hatred. When certain fans simply can't wait to rip into their regular target.

Ashley Young would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to be aware of the hatred directed at him. He is often hammered on pre-match threads before the team has even been announced.

Yes, he gave away a penalty at Anfield… and Yes, he is long past his best, but the manager chooses him and for the life of me I don't see the benefit in this so-called "constructive criticism". He's 48 FFS. How is he going to benefit?

"Red card waiting to happen"? What bollocks. I didn't see him collect an automatic ban for racking up too many cards. What we do know is that, if he does pick up a red card next season, the "I told you so"s from those who have been proven wrong for so long, will be deafening.

I've seen numerous threads on several sites dominated by the name Tom Davies, even when he had been out injured for months. Is that "constructive" criticism? Is it even logical?

It would appear that the "critic" and his target have very different views on what constitutes hatred but, if Beto has identified an individual or individuals (and he clearly has), then I want him to ram their words right back down their throats.

If players are giving their absolute best and trying hard, as Beto does, then maybe encouragment for him to do better, rather than severe criticism is in order.

If a player in a Blue shirt is strolling around the pitch, looking like they don't give a monkey's for the fans or the club, then critise all you like.

Somebody on here once described Beto as :
'Like a lose horse at the Grand National.' It made me laugh out load, because it is a pretty accurate assessment, but in a good way.

While Calvert-Lewin is 'like a thoroughbred on Derby Day', they are indeed different. But between them, they could cause mayhem to many Premier League defenders.

I want every player in a Blue shirt to succeed. Especially those who work so hard and are humble. Beto fits that description, so let's keep chanting his name around Goodison.

He was brought in because we feared Calvert-Lewin would get injured, and he stayed healthy last season. Sure, he was there to be competition for the starting number 9, but that was never realistic if Calvert-Lewin was healthy.

So, given he never got a run of games, no pre-season, was new to the Premier League, and the only thing he chose was to challenge himself in England, I'd say he doesn't deserve the hate he gets.

All that, plus the fact that he scored a big cup goal early on for us, works hard, and is back ready to prove the haters wrong, I like the guy. I could see it leading to him almost trying too hard, but he didn't just get lucky scoring that many goals in Italy.

With a bit more pace up to top this season with Ndiaye and Lindstrøm, a full healthy season for Harrison, a less stressful one for McNeil, and a more settled squad, Beto could have a decent season if Calvert-Lewin goes. If Calvert-Lewin stays, I fear he'll struggle again to get in a groove.

But I sure would love to see him prove the haters wrong.

Betcha!

[To the tune of Geno by Dexys]

Agree with that except idea that Beto cost big money. He cost about £22M (€25M). That is less than the likes of Rutter at Leeds, Ings, Wood, Daka etc.

£22M is peanuts for a striker.

As a different point altogether, you can definitely find better value below £22m but you will typically need to spend some time developing potential. That is absolutely what we should be doing too.

And we can all agree we'd love to see him flourish this season, so let's go on with it!

Not directing this at you by the way, but I think a lot of the time the expectation hasn't taken account of inflation.

Of our starting First XI, only Pickford cost more than £20m (Mykolenko and Doucoure come in just under) - and 5 cost less than £5m.

Compare that to even mid-table West Ham with:

- Kilman £40m
- Kudus £36m
- Alvarez £32m
- Ward-Prowse £29m
- Paqueta £36m
- Aguerd £29m
- Zouma £29m

I think the 'he is shite' reference justifies the term 'haters', end of.

We all criticise and praise players, but I tend to leave it to individual performances, not wait in the wings to target any particular player.

Okay, over the years I've criticised Michael Keane, but only because he often worries the shit of me! But then he's given us moments. The goal against Palace that was Brazilian like and put us on the path to safety. That screamer against Tottenham. And then, after being asked to play up front against Wolves, he gets the assist for big Yeri Mina.

I used to witness it with Leon Osman and later, Tom Davies. The snipers waiting for them to fail. Even Calvert-Lewin is coming in for stick. Don't get me wrong, if he has a poor game, I'll comment, but I won't slate him for what clothes he decides to wear.

You should have seen Neville Southall. As said on Howard's Way, it was like he fell into the first things he found in his wardrobe!!

Let's give Beto a chance. Second season, probably more settled and gives us a different option. He's a bit of a brute and I'm sure he'll find the target. As will Dominic and the new lad.

I'm looking forward to the new season and having the Blues back in town. There's a song there.

The nearest like-for-like person I can link Beto to is Niasse, both would beat a couple of players, then fall over their own feet, he could well come good, but I'm not
holding my breath.

Like others have said, he certainly is not a replacement should Calvert-Lewin move on, we need a striker coming in no matter what, Chermiti will be a useful backup striker, but I feel we need to get in someone who can take the number 9 jersey.

Beto, purely and simply is not good enough for the Premier League, we've bought so many of these types of forwards since Lukaku was wearing the blue of Everton, perhaps the recruitment criteria, is how will this latest 'striker' upset the fans, does he lack pace? - tick, can he trap a ball? no! tick, does he miss the target by miles? tick. The list of possible things that a striker should have but for some unknown reason, when they sign for Everton they are bereft of most of the basic ones, it's uncanny.

It's a similar argument for Dominic Calvert-Lewin, if he was making goals for the midfielders but not scoring himself, most would find that acceptable, but we don't do goals from midfield either.

There's nothing like having a style of play that lends itself to keep it tight and hope something happens at the other end of the pitch, rather than finding ways to make something happen at the business end of the pitch, with of course an accomplished striker who can bury the created chances on a far more regular basis.

Dyche has addressed the issue of lack of goals by making us defend well, and there's no shame in that, however, if we go through another low scoring season, we'll be dicing with the trapdoor once again - that's not scaremongering that's a reality.

Everton, is a very strange club, we relied upon Mike Lyons to play up front in the 70s, whilst we waited for a proper forward to arrive, we've waited seven years to properly replace Lukaku, meanwhile at other clubs, they have more than one major striker, and lots of midfielders who are capable of contributing more than the odd goal. Is it the manager(s) or is it the club itself that so torments the supporters. Will we see Michael Keane unleashed in a forward role, when we go x games without scoring?

I'm optimistic that Beto can come good in his second season with him being a bit more settled.

And hopeful for Chermiti who, let's remember, is only 20.