Calvert-Lewin penalty claim VAR audio released

I'm glad it's out there because it will surely be contradicted over the next few months by these very same people.

Football is a game where subjectivity is constantly viewed differently depending on a particular person's view, but the more times these type of incidents and subsequent conversations are released into the public domain, the more chance we will be able to prove that these officials are not always straight. We will see!

On Gana's miss, surely if he had scored it would have been ruled out for Calvert-Lewin's kick on Burn.

In my view, Burn did not play the ball, he played the man. He had no chance of getting to the ball before Calvert-Lewin, so positioned his leg in front of him. It clearly impeded a goal-scoring chance by playing the man.

Take a look at the incident again and see where Burn ended up, his body facing away from Calvert-Lewin and leaning into the back of him, no attempt made to get the ball. Burn knew exactly what he was doing.

Anywhere else on the field, it's a penalty. He deliberately impeded a player about to score.

All this release has done has shown a bias against the club, once again, by this referee. Kavanaugh was influenced by Pawson and covered his back.

I don't know which I think is worse either. Both definite penalties for me but I'm no centre-back to be fair.

Penalty for me at the time and when I looked back.

It's gone now… so on to Ipswich and Fulham.

I know you've covid (get well soon) but "Anywhere else on the field it's a penalty."...

Run that by me again? 🤔

Had it been given, I'd have obviously taken it but it just looks like two people colliding. Burn may have been a bit cute with his positioning but that's what I'd expect our defenders to do in the same situation. It would have been a soft one to get imho.

Another way to put it: if you're looking to tackle someone and just get yourself between them and the ball, it's not a foul, right? Defenders shepherd the ball out all the time and it's called ‘good defending'. I don't see any difference to what Burn did, he didn't touch Calvert-Lewin after all.

As mentioned above, Gana should have buried the open goal in any case.

Overall, on the level of play, a point was a fair result for us. Their penalty was nailed on, no idea what Tarkowski was playing at – hope he bought Pickford a pint!

Burn doesn't even touch the ball or get close to kicking it. Watch from 1:55. especially at 2:08.

Yes, Calvert-Lewin kicks the back of Burn's'leg but Burn blocks the shot on purpose without making an effort for the ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMYbnlXzjY0

Sorry to hear you've got the dreaded covid. I hope it's only mild and the Blues get you on to a speedy recovery.

As for the penalty, we can't do anything about it but the club can. Didn't David Moyes put out a video of all the wrong decisions against us and for a while the nonsense subsided?

But we move on to Ipswich and Fulham and an optimistic 6 points.

The description about running in a straight line being important is the hardest thing for me to fathom though because running in a straight line enabled the defender to block the attacker who was running towards the ball, from getting his shot off, even though the defender had no intention of trying to play that same ball.

We all see things differently, but to repeat what I said in post one, I'd be willing to place a huge bet on a similar incident resulting in an opposite decision in the near future, and I'd be willing to place an even bigger bet that the most common infringement in football doesn't start resulting in penalty kicks by the dozen, now that Tarkowski's stupidity has been punished.

I keep saying they have turned the game into a circus and, if I'm being honest, it's become very boring arguing about these very subjective decisions on a weekly basis. So why are you fucking arguing then? I know….

If the ref would have given the penalty, then I don't think VAR would have overturned it, is what Dan Burn said, which is probably about as much honesty that you're going to get out of any player immediately after the game.

This doesn't necessarily mean that Burn thought it was a penalty, but my only gripe is that either Pawson or Kavanagh will definitely give a penalty soon for a similar incident . Sorry for going on, but I suppose it won't be long before I'm off for good, unfortunately.

2 out of the 3 "incidents" involving Ashley Young against Forest last season looked more like penalties than this. Gana's row-DD howler looks worse every time I see it.

BTW, more importantly (at this present time), are any Stateside TW regulars affected by the hurricane? Best wishes if you've had to flee.

Premier League, Corrupt as Fuck.

And I don't think we can complain too much as we got away with murder against Forest last season, as has been pointed out by a previous poster.

As for Dyche and his comments, if you care to look it up, you'll find he said the exact same thing about not getting penalties when he was managing Burnley! I wonder if it has anything to do with his teams barely having any of the ball and spending the vast majority of nearly every match defending?

And it was a truly shocking miss by Gana, but I can't say I was all that surprised.

Onto Ipswich we go!

A player comfortable on the ball would take 2 touches, aware the running defender, would scoot past, leaving a better stance and improved balance, and the entire goal at his mercy. As it was, he took one awkward touch, couldn't get his feet sorted, and ended up with a crap strike… but that's what basic skill sets give.

And then there's the Gana follow-up… I mean, what is going on with that fella?

Re the penalty, it's a 50-50 for me. I've seen 'em called and I've seen 'em waved off. Dom clearly kicks Burn, not the other way around, so the debate is whether Burn acted illegally in putting his leg there. I didn't think so and probably wouldn't have called it myself.

As someone else commented, VAR would have confirmed it either way.

But Gana should have made the whole thing academic. For a veteran like him to panic like that is just terrible.

The professionals in the game especially on defence know all the little dirty tricks that will appear 50/50 and in a desperate situation are quite clever at times in confusing the onlookers.

That is why some incidents get red cards and some only get yellow or none at all.

Years ago, the Premier League deemed that all officials become full time and we all thought that would be better for the game. It never happened.

Many officials never played the game and are quite naive at times as the overpaid stars ham it up to get a free kick or have an opponent booked or sent off.

Why, after looking at an incident from every angle 10 or 15 times, does the VAR guy refer it back to the field official who then does the same thing?

That doesn't make sense and quite honestly makes VAR somewhat useless.

You took the words right out my mouth.

6 yards out, no keeper to beat, open goal and he manages to hit top row on the Stantion.

My 5-year-old could have put that one in.

I said before the game we won't be allowed to win the game with Pawson in charge with his partner in crime on VAR – just like so many other games with him, Oliver and the rest.

Nothing goes our way. 😤

It wasn't there when Dom pulled his leg back, so it's a deliberate block, and nowhere near the ball, definite penalty, and utter bullshit from Webb again.

Erm, while I admire the confidence Dominic ...

Christine: take care of yourself and get better soon (in your own time).

I've said many times, if I wasn't so emotionally attached to Everton, I wouldn't bother watching the Premier League at all.

What they are debating is whether the incident before that was a penalty or not. The Gana miss has fuck-all to do with that.

But with the fine lines that Everton and Dyche work by, most referees will be queried vocally, especially after a match they should have won.

Three results in a row is all we can hope to get. That is success for the way Everton are playing.

Burn didn't have control of the situation. He simply ran in front of Dominic with no attempt to play the ball. Most certainly a penalty.

Same as the Trakowski penalty, how many times, week on week, does the same shit happen? Yet again, Everton first to unite 'horrified' rest of corrupt officials etc.

I agree with Tony A, let's see and hear more of these situations. We Evertonians still try convincing ourselves it's same for all teams; personally, I am convinced something and someone has a very very personal and vindictive vendetta against Everton, since that bent Collina got 'that' game.

Best thing Moyes did was highlight stuff at the time. Hopefully we keep our head above water until some proper caretakers start looking after the best club in the world. Christine, hope you're fighting fit again soon.

It doesn't need slo-mo nor extensive analysis about whether Burn is running in a straight line (when did running in a straight line make something not a foul?).

This idea that Calvert-Lewin kicked Burn is wild. Calvert-Lewin was kicking the ball! Who on earth could think anything otherwise? Plenty of fouls involve a foot or leg being put in front of someone who then hits, collides, or goes over it.

Just a complete lack of understanding of football by people who haven't been in these kind of positions throughout their lives. It's not a particularly uncommon type of foul.

You don't need to define 'who made the contact', you need to understand 'who impeded whom'.

He knew he could not reach the ball.

That is obstruction.

Professional referees...

I hope it's not actually corruption.

It was a definite penalty in my view.

We sit just behind the cameras in the Upper Bullens and the TV crew could not believe it.

There is an incident they are talking about which is described as accidental, but then in the next breath they are calling it reckless or careless.

Maybe it's me, but the lunatics are making it up as they go along, and I can't reiterate my opinion enough, because if they keep this up, by continuing to let us hear the views and the conversations between the referee and the VAR, then they are going to be digging a big massive hole for themselves at best.

Seriously, I think the contradictions could end up resulting in litigation so it would surprise me if this show isn't axed in favour of something else before the season finishes.

Again…… we will see.

Given the revised ‘hands off' approach on VAR, we have to accept these subjective decisions made by the referee on the pitch will stand. To be honest, that is the way it should be.

The defender moves towards the ball, gets very close and is allowed to be where he is. The contact is entirely initiated by the attacker.

If it was given against us, I'd be absolutely livid.

I just don't see any injustice here, I wish people would stop being so desperate to find some.

The inconsistency around the subjectivity is going to end up killing the game.

If a striker is about to kick the ball and a defender puts his leg down between ball and striker trying to play the ball and striker kicks the defender's leg, is that a foul?

Just asking for a friend. :)

"...gets very close..."

Them's the fine margins between between a good interception and a foul.

But we all know Burns deliberately lurched / threw himself Into DCL.

Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, across Stanley Park it's a penalty - just not for us.

As we already more or less knew and City have shown - they make this shit up as they go along and interpret their own rules any given day on a mixture of whim mixed with a dose of 'If your face fits' you're OK.

Sticking a leg in front of an opposing players kicking leg is a trip in anyone's book so that's surely a penalty - and that's before consideration of the little clip to the back of DCL's leg immediately prior to the trip.

VAR twat: "The defender's leg is not in a forward moving...er..motion and he only makes contact after the attacker kicks the...um...ball...ahh...so there's no contact from the defender, coz his knees are on back to front and he's wearing them little shin pads so...erm...no penalty" etc blah waffle.

Reality: (that EVERYONE saw) - the defender hurls himself at DCL bringing him down, deffo a pen.

It really was as simple as that. I saw it clearly from the upper Gwladys and just as clearly on the replays.

Here's a useful tip for all Evertonians: when your eyes tell you one thing and VAR tells you something else, believe your eyes.

100% corruption (if only on a sub conscious basis)

Complete con

The standard of refs in the English game is now very poor and each season it gets worse. VAR needs binning until people are brought in who can actually use it correctly.

Get well Christine asap.

Stay Safe all in Florida.

Joe Root legend.