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Moyes's Presser

The build-up to this weekend's game in the Amex Stadium at Brighton starts with the press confernece given by David Moyes at 1:30 pm GMT on Friday.

Moyes revelled that Dwight McNeil might need surgery to cure the knee injury that has kept him on the sidelines since early December:

“It looks like we’re probably going to have to get him back to the specialist and see – I’m saying surgery, it might be they decide something else – but he’s going to go back and see the specialist again. It’s a real blow because we need him back for things like deliveries and set pieces but also for his general play.

“By all accounts, everyone has told me he’s performed very well for Everton recently. So, not to have him right now is a big blow.

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“I was only just told about this about half an hour before the press conference. He (McNeil) was out on the grass this morning and they were trying to get him going but he doesn't feel right. So they were always saying if he didn't come through today they would take him back to the specialists, so I'm only relaying what I've been told.

“If you get opened up (surgery), I don't think many people come back before four-six weeks. But it obviously depends on what they do. My general feeling is they don't think it's anything so bad, it's not like he's got a cruciate or anything like that, I don't think so, so hopefully he'll be okay.”

Moyes had better news on James Garner and Tim Iroegbunam, neither of whom have featured since the goalless draw with Newcastle Utd on 5 October; both ave been in training and are on their way back to fitness.

“James is a wee bit further on than Tim at the moment. Tim's been back in training the last three or four days. Jimmy's been back in and around training, as well.

“In an ideal scenario, you'd be trying to give them a couple of Under-21s games if possible and get them some more practice, but if we need to use them, then I would do. They'll not be too far away because I just need them back in and around the squad to give that little bit more depth.”

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Brian Williams
1 Posted 24/01/2025 at 13:40:04
McNeil could be out a lot longer. Possible surgery on his knee.
Colin Crooks
2 Posted 24/01/2025 at 14:11:57
Surgery possibly needed for McNeil ?

Dont like the sound of that

Christy Ring
3 Posted 24/01/2025 at 14:17:29
McNeil hasn't played since the Wolves game on 4 December, and listening to Moyes's press conference today, he's going to have to have surgery, so they've wasted 7 weeks, before making that decision, unreal?
Michael Kenrick
4 Posted 24/01/2025 at 14:44:39
I don't know that you can drive these things to that extent, Christy.

It may be that he had been recovering from the original injury but something is still not quite right inside the joint, and that has become more apparent as he upped the physical stress and strain on his knee as he tried to get back to full fitness.

On the one hand, you could argue that professional players should be strong enough and fit enough to avoid injury, especially considering how much we pay them.

On the other hand, they are merely human, as are the physios who have to assess them and do the right thing to get them back in shape.

So yea, 7 weeks wasted... unreal.

James Marshall
5 Posted 24/01/2025 at 14:45:01
I wouldn't call it 'unreal'. Injuries take time, especially ligament injuries, and there are no guarantees one way or another.

The knee joint is one of the most complex joints in the body (I'm a massage therapist so I know a little bit about anatomy) and initial diagnoses can change during rehabilitation.

Nobody has 'wasted 7 weeks' because they would have been monitoring him closely, and clearly initial scans showed no reason for surgery (always a last resort). From what I'm reading, McNeil has come back and tried to train but broken down again, leading to the requirement for surgery.

Not everything is as black & white as you might think when it comes to injuries.

Brian Williams
6 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:03:07
Mixed feelings on this one.

I have to say that with the degree of expertise and the cutting edge technology available these days that Mcneil would have had extensive scans at the outset and regular scans, maybe weekly, going forward.

As I say, with the level of expertise available you'd expect a diagnosis and prognosis that would, barring unforeseen setbacks, have come sooner than this.

I know every injury is different but if he's been out since the 4th of December I'm a little surprised that after seven weeks it's only the fact that McNeil himself has said "It doesn't feel right" has prompted a return to the specialist for possible surgery.

I accept that surgery is a last resort as the player is likely to be out for 4-6 weeks minimum following the surgery (from Moyes himself) but I still think seven weeks to get to that point seems a long time.

Liam Mogan
7 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:13:48
I remember reading something a while back which said that (whilst it may seem counter intuitive) when you are as fit as modern day players are and playing right up to the maximum possible, you are actually in more danger of picking up an injury. Especially strains, like hamstrings and on joints, like knees. In a similar way to how in international athletics, injuries like these are commonplace.

The same article spoke also of how when you are super fit with low body fat you are also more susceptible to colds and viruses.

Si Cooper
8 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:22:31
Have I missed an update on Chermiti saying he is good to go?
I worry about his injury more than the others. An evulsion on the big toe doesn’t sound like much but if you can’t get it to take like it was originally I’d think it would permanently feel ‘off’ and you might have to relearn even basics like running or shooting.
Jeff Armstrong
9 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:36:59
I think Tim and Garner are going to have to get match fit from the bench by getting 20 minutes here and there plus training, we need depth on the bench and even at 80/90% fit, they could prove useful in the coming games.
Si Cooper
10 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:38:59
Liam (7), you can certainly have unbalanced training which can cause greater susceptibility to certain injuries but I would expect footballers to get the best advice and monitoring. Generally, well distributed muscle will play some part in strengthening joints.
The rigours of playing a contact sport at high speed and full-on impacts will still test even the fittest bodies just because there will always be limits to what stresses are absorbable without something giving way. Increased speed will obviously increase impact stresses, other things being equal.
John Keating
11 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:50:45
3 points and a clean sheet would be fantastic!
3 points brilliant!
However a bit more realistically at best we can get a point

Obviously we have to go to win every game but Leicester next week is yet another “must win”

Same team and attitude as last week please

Duncan McDine
12 Posted 24/01/2025 at 15:51:25
Despite having the odd flare up myself, I don't know enough about knees to unpack any of this, but it doesn't sound promising.

It's good to have people like James (5) who know a little bit more from his occupation as a massage therapist. Let's just hope there's a happy ending. Sorry James, couldn't resist.

Justin Doone
13 Posted 24/01/2025 at 16:23:58
Everton don't do short term injuries. Gutted for McNeil and whish him a full and complete recovery asap.

Whilst I'm happy with Moyes and the improvement in team performances I feel Brightons passing game is a huge test and I'm not expecting anything from the game.

But we are creating better chances and playing in a more upbeat manor. I hope the players keep going even if we fall behind and keep their discipline to prevent needless suspensions and injuries.

Christy Ring
14 Posted 24/01/2025 at 16:25:35
Moyes did say, he didn't think it was serious, James knows a lot more than me, but would an MRI weeks ago,not show up a problem with his knee? Moyes seemed confident of bringing players before the end of the window.

John Chambers
15 Posted 24/01/2025 at 16:27:12
Si I believe Chermiti has recovered from his foot injury and now has a thigh injury
Mark Murphy
16 Posted 24/01/2025 at 16:33:42
Shame. We could’ve done with more of this

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18X7zf2uCR/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Mike Gaynes
17 Posted 24/01/2025 at 16:44:33
Christy, MRIs are not perfect views, and conditions in the knee would likely have changed as well after the workouts. So no, you cannot assume that an MRI would provide the kind of perfect clarity you're expecting.
Jay Harris
18 Posted 24/01/2025 at 17:37:50
Listening to his press conference it seems like Moysey is going for a draw or more hopefully KITAP1.
Barry Rathbone
19 Posted 24/01/2025 at 17:50:09
"He (McNeil) was out on the grass this morning"

The "g" word was used and no fume. The Moyes hold is unassailable

Ed Prytherch
20 Posted 24/01/2025 at 17:57:11
Liam,

I'm not as sure as you about track athlete injuries.Carl Lewis went 13 years after high school without a significant injury and he was certainly highly trained but a car accident ended his streak. His coach Tom Tellez was very good and he knew how much work his athlete could safely do.

MRI's have to be read and sometimes there is doubt about the cause of what is seen. I went through that with my hip last year, but generally they are accurate.

Liam Mogan
21 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:02:12
Hi Ed. It's not really my opinion and I'm not particularly sure on it! I was essentially just regurgitating and paraphrasing an article I'd read a bit back tbh.
Eddie Dunn
22 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:08:01
I wonder if McNeil was playing through pain earlier in the season. His form has fluctuated and I think he missed West Ham away on the 9th November due to a knee injury. He then came back in for the next three games before missing all of them since.
So is this our fault for rushing him back?
Mike Gaynes
23 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:18:29
Michael #4 and others, you just never know with knees.

I'm a Chicago Bulls fan. In early January 2022 our star guard Lonzo Ball underwent arthroscopic surgery for a torn meniscus. He was projected to miss three to six weeks. No ligament damage or anything, just the meniscus.

He was out of basketball for 33 months. He returned to the court in October 2024 and started a game for the first time last week.

There is no higher level of sophistication in orthopedic medicine than what is used to treat NBA players. Yet this happened.

Billy Shears
24 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:25:25
The Blues to grab a decent point on the road methinks.

A 2-2 draw!

Rob Halligan
25 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:32:41
Get in…….additional tickets were made available for the first test event at BMD, and have been successful in that ballot!
Edward Rogers
26 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:33:13
In the hope I'm not jinxing anything, but we've a decent record at Brighton. Won in 2023, almost, should have, won there last year. Have to keep Mitoma quiet, not sure who we pick to best do that? Would love a win, would settle for a point.
Liam Mogan
27 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:37:52
Me too Rob 25 - must have been a few who returned tickets?
Denver Daniels
28 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:38:44
The grass must be sticky again.
Bill Fairfield
29 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:41:05
Hopefully we can carry on in the same positive way as last week. We just might get something, UTT.
Neil Copeland
30 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:45:08
Rob and Liam, I didn’t get one but have for the 2nd test event - yaay!
Ashley Roberts
31 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:45:14
What ever way we cut it having McNeil one of our best players injured is not good. He is our dead ball expert and also has an eye for goal. He is certainly missed when not playing. Jimmy can provide the deliveries and so we need him back up to speed quickly. I am not sure Moyes will drop Doucoure for Jimmy but hopefully he can get a run out for at least 20 minutes. I do not see the starting 11 changing from last week. I hope Armstrong is also given a run out. Hopefully while in a winning position. As has has been mentioned above we need to keep Mitoma quiet during the game.
Colin Glassar
32 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:50:00
I might be wrong but, historically speaking, aren’t we usually shit getting players back from “knocks”?

If I remember correctly, over the years we’ve been told certain players will miss a game due to a knock or slight strain only for them to disappear into a black hole for weeks and/or months on end.

Ed Prytherch
33 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:51:45
We could take another look at Willian if McNeil is going to be out for a while
Richard Duff
34 Posted 24/01/2025 at 18:57:44
Shame about McNeil. I was thinking the other day that coming though as a kid at Burnley and then playing for Dyche at Everton, has he ever been in an attacking team where he has support, runners and instructions to get to the byline? He could be transformed!
Jeff Armstrong
35 Posted 24/01/2025 at 19:01:43
Yeah Colin 32, just like every other club.
Paul Ferry
36 Posted 24/01/2025 at 19:25:21
There is no kneed to post anything else on this match/knee thread. Paul Hewitt (Hewey to his closest friends) has pronounced. He has predicted Brighton 3 Us 1. There is now nothing at all that anyone can do once PH (to his good friends) has made his prediction. We can only start preparing ourselves today for a 3-1 loss.

Made up for Rob and Liam (and Neil)!

Rob Halligan
37 Posted 24/01/2025 at 19:27:47
Paul, it seems a hell of a long journey to make, knowing we’re going to lose 3-1. All that time and money spent, all for nothing. Ah well, there’s always next week!

The first test event is against Wigan U18’s. PH has us down for a 4-1 defeat! 😄😄😄

Raymond Fox
38 Posted 24/01/2025 at 19:36:54
The game is a free hit, any points gained will be a bonus.

The teams below us are less likely to get something than us.

We have 20pts from 21 games - very very close to 1pt a game, which is clearly better than the 4 teams below us.

I think we will stay up and have at least 4 or 5 pts to spare, that is if we don't lose too many important players through injuries.

Danny O'Neill
39 Posted 24/01/2025 at 19:55:18
Well let’s prepare ourselves for a shock Rob and Paul Ferry and be on hand to console a fellow Evertonian in Mr Hewitt!! Safe trip down mate all those making the long trip(s).

Colin, and others, I agree, we have a poor record. Benitez got rid of our Medial Director and the McNeil situation is odd. Why has it taken this long to decide he needs surgery?

On we go. I’ll see some of you in Brighton.



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