Reports suggest Mangala is set for lengthy spell on the sidelines

He starts most of our patterns of play, is productive in his passing, and he is the outball for the keeper and defence. He also has a decent shot on him.

He is one of those players who you only really miss when they are unavailable. I think his absence will cause us issues unless Garner is ready, as I don’t see Gueye, Doucs, or Tim Iro filling that role with confidence.

He will be a miss for us this season. Not sure what the transfer fee would be to get him though. I assume this is a lengthy spell on the sideline, ruling out a perm summer moves?

I think I’d sit Doucoure in Mangala’s spot and give the attacking mid role to someone who can control, pass or dribble a football.

To lose Broja and Mangala and possibly DCL all to long term injuries within a month is very unfortunate and gives Moyes and Thelwell a real January headache with pressure to replace at a time the market is at it’s trickiest.

Being practical but as he's on loan can we now cancel the loan and get someone else in during this window or is it another Broja situation ?

Finally, give Gana another year. He is so important to us, and he still has the legs. That performance at Brighton was absolutely top drawer, as demonstrated by the appreciation shown to him by fans and team mates alike straight after the game.

Iroegbunam and Garner, though with less minutes are around 72% with Young and Harrison. Doucoure may not be the most incisive but he gets some undeserved flack on here as one of the current whipping boys.

There was no way of knowing the extent of the injury during those brief seconds. Mangala actually wanted to see if he could run it off. It soon became apparent that he couldnt.

The suggestion that we should put a player known to be injured, back on the pitch to stand on the half way line to occupy a defender is so undeniably Zingari.

"Fuck your broken leg. Get back on here you fucken fanny. I've got a fiver riding on this"

Also very concerned, apart from the rumours, that we seem unlikely, at this point, to get any new faces through the door before the deadline on Monday 3rd February. Mind you, all transfer windows, seem to be dangerously strung out to the last hour.

Some deals obviously missing it because of the lateness to achieve agreements, medicals, etc.

Good shout on Harrison Reed, always looked a tidy player when I've watched him. As long as they don't throw a 6 year contract his way!!! By the way, he only turned 30 this week.

The player was down getting treatment for quite a while - Personally I thought he was milking it at first.. but once he was off and trying to shake it off the idea of him coming back on only lasted a couple of seconds.

He was the first to know that wasnt happening.

Moyes and his staff didnt quite know what to do. To be fair, it was an unusual incident and would have caught most people out

You accused me on the match day thread of being Mystic Meg when I called out your ridiculous suggestion that ‘ I'd have sent Mangala out just to stand on the halfway line to keep one defender and their keeper back with him.’

I pointed out the fact he tried to get back out there but lasted 30 seconds suggested a serious injury and would probably make it worse.

If I was in a hole I’d stop digging

Also where did I apologise and who's bandwagon have I jumped on?

Your post makes no sense.

As it is, we're without a very good player. Let's hope Lyon are willing to be accommodating.

Send him back with a view of getting back in the summer window, frees up a loan spot.

Send Broja back to Chelsea in exchange for Chukwuemeka, that sorts the midfield exchange out.

With still a loan spot remaining, try to get Ferguson in, with a loan to buy option.

Bring Igamane in from Rangers as replacement for Beto.

What you have then is two injured players off the book and three young players coming in, all under the age of 23.

Another player I would look at as an option is James McAtee from City.

May sound a bit harsh and brutal, but we have to think of our club before the window shuts.

He’s not the quickest though, so hopefully James Garner, comes back into the team and helps take Everton, to a higher level🤞

Be brutal for a change, get two of the loan signings off our books, to allow two to come in as replacements.

We may even get Mangala at a lower price in the summer and by all accounts could be out for the remainder of the season.

Sentiment needs to go out of the window, we simply cannot have 2 players onloan out for most of the season stopping two loan signings from coming in, they need to be sent back to their parent clubs, harsh on Mangala I know but the best option available.

I think it might have been the case that a broken leg and Tommy’s age took it’s toll on him, I think he went to Barnsley after Everton, like another Everton left winger Eddie O’Hara, and then he possibly went back to Scotland but he made many admirers in his short time here, a Scottish international with Clyde who kept the famous Billy Liddell out of many international games.

James(#34); Sorry, perhaps you could tell us who you were talking about or merely commenting on something somebody else wrote about somebody and something about which you had absolutely no knowledge of at all, is that your defence? And you think I'm making no sense?

Try putting it into timing and context.

On match day about 30 minutes before kick off I look at team selection and make comment, sometimes not.

Then at half time I submit my thoughts on the first half and when the game has finished comment on the second half and my thoughts on the game overall.

I don't remember you, James, commenting at that time and as you have said you only have "live action", wasit.

If there’s a contract in place (which there most certainly is) how do you legally send them back if the parent club doesn’t agree to void the contract?

How exactly does that work mate?

I guess we would pay the entirety of the loan fee/wages up front Ben on the proviso they take the player back and terminate the loan.

What a disaster.

I tend to agree about DCL. He made a very high risk choice, to hope he could get a long, well paid contract elsewhere and ignore our offer. I had my doubts that would be from a top 6 side, because I don't think he is good enough to be a first choice for any of them, and others might be reluctant to pay top dollar for a guy with a bad injury record as their first choice striker. Even more so now. He may even end up having to settle for our offer, that is assuming we don't reduce it.

I seem to to remember Andy Rankin doing it with his arm in a sling.

Nope I never claimed to know the extent of injuries I merely surmised that as the lad tried to return to the game, lasted no time at all and went off leaving the team down to 10 men he was likely to have picked up an injury which playing on would likely lead to more damage.

You still sticking to your he should of stayed on nonsense?

He was just beginning to settle nicely and I am sure would have wanted a permanent transfer in the Summer.

However Tim Ironbraugham is a very similar player, and we have Jimmy Garner back now too. The big question is what we can do with our loan players to facilitate some incoming and what is the budget for acquisitions. Hopefully the club have learned from these "loan injuries and will apply clauses to loan agreements in the future.

Neither Timmy nor Jimmy can fully replace Orel this weekend. The former isn't even back in the side and the latter will certainly not be game fit after his long absence. He got 12 minutes in at BHA.

If Moyes persists with the 4-2-3-1 alignment, we may see Doucoure starting next to Gana.

I have not mentioned anyone's name at all, I do not need defence as it was a general comment.
No idea what you posted before the game or at half time either, Maybe you are thinking of somebody else

seriously look after yourself, as I have no idea why you are upset. As Ringo says ' Peace and Love to all'

Thoughts?

Who gets the nod to pair up with Gana in CM we'll soon find out, hopefully this does not impact the recent momentum too much.

Get him sent back, and get someone in.

Perhaps I'm wrong but my understanding is that the Premier League, perhaps only recently, changed the rules so that loans could only be cut short in the event that a player suffered a season ending injury.

We finally get Garner and Iregbonue back in training then we lose
Broja, DCL and Mangala to go along with McNeil.
Hopefully what we have left will see us through until adequate new signings are made but unlikely this season.

We re lucky to have Tim and Jimmy available again but MF is definitely an area we have to get a replacement in for Mangala and/or Harrison as the case may be.

Personally I'd take the Longstaff lad off Newcastle, similar role to Mangala.

It's one thing to say James Garner is back but he'll be far from match sharp for a while.

Jesus wept

Conservatively I estimate that will free up c. £800k a week in wages to be reinvested. That’s 9 players but 5 of which aren’t current starters. That means if we splurged £150k a week on 4 good starters we would also have £200k a week to pad out the squad - maybe another 4 lads.

The summer transfer window presents a wonderful opportunity but so does the last few days of the January window.

Keiran Maguire states that we will have only £10-£15m available headroom in PSR in January. In reality that means we can spend up to £135m in January without falling foul of PSR. That would make a massive difference to this squad and our chances of survival and, more importantly, progression.

I’m not suggesting that TFG want, or are able, to spend that much in this window but it shows the upper limit of what can be done.

If we made only two ‘difference’ makers then follow it up in the summer, we should be on the right track to being where we all feel we should be.

Without sounding too mercenary, surely his unfortunate injury comes into the category, of terminating the loan, and giving an avenue to sign another foreign player on the same basis.

With so many out of contract in the summer it will be both a headache and balancing act (financially) to assemble something resembling a competent squad for next season.

We have 11 first team players currently out of the door in 5 months and not one departure will bring in a penny in revenue.

PSR rules haven't gone away.

Sean (102) I doubt Jordan will go. He has signed a long term contract with us, has never shown the slightest inclination to leave and no clubs have ever shown an interest in him. I agree Jarrad will leave providing there is a club willing and able to meet his wage demands of £160k per week. In that respect his form this season has not been wholly convincing.

His body just can't take the punishment of a 38 Premier League game season, and doesn't justify the wages his agent demands. Time for us both to part ways.

Beto does not have to become a world class striker all of a sudden. If he can score a goal in 3-4 different games. He will have done his job. then Its up to the rest of the team to make sure we win those games.

We know he isn't Jimmy Greaves, but I have to believe he is capable of that

You'll be familiar with the term Septic Tank, or Seppo as the Ausies say. Rhyming slang for Yank.

Mark has either misheard the phrase, or is putting up his own version of it...Probably trying to make it more acceptable to anyone who may be offended.

- City? Just spent £70m on 2 young CBs plus they have Ake, Gvardiol and Doyle as left footers

- Arsenal? They already have Gabriel and Kiwior as left footed CBs

- Chelsea? They have a lot of CBs already - including Colwill as left footed CB. Still possible though.

- Man Utd? Possibly but they have Martinez as left footer plus big fees for Yoro and Deligt this year. Amorim may prefer former player Ignacio in any case or a more mobile player like Hincapie for a 343.

- Spurs? Already have Van der Ven - and Jarrad won't want to play in the Championship next season

- Villa or Newcastle? Possibly.

- the RS? Possibly.

- overseas club. Possibly but not many will fancy a big fee for a non-glamour player with low shirt sale potential.

If there's not much competition it depresses the fee (which depresses me in the process).

Of course we could hang onto him too - but that reduces the kitty for the big rebuild...