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Tim Howard, the former Everton goalkeeper, was invited to the club’s new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock on Thursday. The visit made a memorable impression on the US national who was left “overwhelmed” by the “majestic” nature of the stadium.

"Wow, look at this place. Stunning. This is incredible,” he said from pitchside.

"I'm overwhelmed by the enormity of the sheer size of the stadium. It's so big. It almost just stands on top of you, which is incredible. The more blue the better as well. It just looks really, really majestic.

Howard, who was with the Toffees for nearly a decade, has never shied away from expressing his love for Goodison Park. While he is sad about leaving the historic ground, the US men’s national team legend is also optimistic about the move and added that the new stadium resembles the “tight and intimate” ambience that Goodison possessed.

“What Goodison Park has always done for opponents is giving them the fear because it's been so close, it's been so tight and intimate, which is what football grounds used to be. And you know we were fortunate at Everton to have Goodison for so long. This gives that sort of feel as well.

"You know I think it's sad leaving Goodison, I don't think anybody would deny that, but when you realise what you're going to come into and what your new home is going to be it's incredible – and Goodison will live forever, it really will."

The 46-year-old is currently an analyst for NBC Sports’ Premier League coverage in the United States. He will also be responsible for covering the Premier League Summer Series this summer. It’s a pre-season tournament consisting of Everton, Manchester United, Bournemouth, and West Ham in the US.

The Toffees will face Bournemouth, West Ham, and Man United in New Jersey, Chicago, and Atlanta respectively with the matches taking place between July 26 and August 3. Tickets are on sale at Ticketmaster.

US Pre-Season Match Schedule  

Saturday, 26 July 

MetLife Stadium, New Jersey 

Match 1: Everton v AFC Bournemouth (KO 4:00 PM ET/9:00 PM BST) 

Match 2: Manchester United v West Ham United (KO 7:00 PM ET/12:00 AM BST Sunday, 27 July)

Wednesday, 30 July 

Soldier Field, Chicago

Match 1: West Ham United v Everton (KO 5:30 PM CT/11:30 PM BST) 

Match 2: Manchester United v AFC Bournemouth (8:30 PM CT/2:30 AM BST Thursday, 31 July)

Sunday, 3 August 

Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Atlanta 

Match 1: AFC Bournemouth v West Ham United (KO 2:00 PM ET/7:00 PM BST) 

Match 2: Manchester United v Everton (KO 5:00 PM ET/10:00 PM BST)

 

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Sean Kearns
1 Posted 27/03/2025 at 15:49:33
He really does love us, Tim Howard.

It's not a facade, he loves us.

Richard Duff
2 Posted 27/03/2025 at 18:59:23
I really liked Howard when we had him, one of the best goalscorers! But didn't love him the way I love Pickford.

Tim failed at Man Utd and no matter how well he performed for us, it always felt a bit like a cast-off from the elite. Jordan may still be a Champions League-winning keeper, maybe with us, while Tim had shown he wasn't going to be.

Should deffo get him more involved with the Friedkins as our ambassador as he never fails to talk us up in the USA market.

Shaun Parker
3 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:27:05
Strange post there, Richard.

Rubbishing him as a player, then setting him up to be an ambassador for the club 🤔

I thought Howard gave us his best years and was an excellent keeper for us during his day.

But hey ho, that's why we have opinions.

Danny O'Neill
4 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:31:52
I'd read that again, Shaun. I don't see Richard rubbishing Tim. I read it as an honest assessment of him, but it all depends on how you read it and your own thoughts.

A decent keeper for us in some decent teams. Probably the best we were going to get at the time and he served us well.

Paul Hewitt
5 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:42:53
I'd put only Southall above Howard in terms of the best Everton keepers I've seen.
Danny O'Neill
6 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:45:21
If we take it since the big man Paul, for me it's Pickford followed by the veteran Nigel Martyn. Then Howard.

Sadly, we only had him at the end of career. We could have had him earlier, but if the rumours are to be believed, we messed him around during talks and if the hamper story is true (surely not), then who could have blamed him for heading up the M62 to Elland Road?

Kieran Kinsella
7 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:47:28
The Tim Howard grenade. I'd say he was a very good keeper but not world class. He had some incredible games like for the USA v Ghana when he set a saves record.

But as I said on another thread about Kanchelskis, I don't regard Andrei as world class cause he didn't maintain it over a long period of time.

Tim in his position overall had more good seasons than Andrei but Pickford and Southall have/had world class performances on a regular basis.

Martyn I'd put at the same level as Howard though for some reason Martyn had most of his world class appearances in a short space of time when he was a veteran at Everton. Kinda like Les Sealey after years being good at Luton saved his best for his swansong at Man Utd.

So career overall neutrals might argue Howard was better than Martyn but in terms of Everton only Martyn was better. But either way, Howard, Martyn, Southall and Pickford are the stand out very good to excellent goalies we've had in my lifetime. Nobody else comes close.

Mike Gaynes
8 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:52:16
Richard, Tim's "failures" at Man Utd included an FA Cup and a League Cup, either of which we would take in a second.

And some of our greatest have been "cast-offs from the elite", as you call them (Sheedy, anyone?).

Paul Kernot
9 Posted 27/03/2025 at 19:58:29
I thought he was a great keeper.

Served us very well as mentioned above. His starfish impressions aside that is!

Liam Mogan
10 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:01:25
There's Big Nev… Then there's everyone else.

Arguably the only modern Everton player who was the best in the world in his prime.

He was really that good for 4/5 years.

Tim Howard was a great servant to the club and clearly loves us. Should have saved Lampard's shot in the 2009 final though.

Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:24:13
Liam @10,

I'd say that's an accurate statement. Mid 80s we had Dassaev from the USSR, as possibly the only contender to Nev but I'd say Nev wins.

Zoff and Schumacher had gone into the sunset, Carlos of Brazil, Bats of France weren't that good. Zenga was on the rise but never came to fruition.

Clemence and Shilton were good but not good enough to play for good teams. Who else was there? That Zimbabwean match-fixing clown at the RS? I definitely think Nev was in a league of his own for 2 or 3 years.

Danny O'Neill
12 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:39:18
That's a good list, Kieran, but I will question Clemence not being good enough to play for a good team.

He was part of that irritating all-conquering Liverpool team of the 70s and 80s and his honours list is seemingly endless. He won just about everything, a lot of them more than once.

Clemence seemed to end up playing second fiddle to Shilton in the England set-up. I thought the Liverpool man was the better of the two.

Around that era, I always liked Pat Jennings. More recently, you couldn't help but rate Peter Schmeicel.

On the continent, we mustn't forget the Italian, Buffon and again, more recently Manuel Neuer of Germany.

Kieran Kinsella
13 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:43:24
Danny,

Can't believe I forgot Jennings. But if I put a time stamp on this, I'd say 84-86 Nev was the best by which time Clemence was at Spurs, Jennings was about to be embarrassed by Josimar at the 86 World Cup, and we were a few years away from Schmeichel who emerged at Euro 88.

One more I should mention was Jim Leighton but he wasn't as good as Nev.

Liam Mogan
14 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:51:09
Pat Jennings was 40 odd by the time Nev was in his prime, but he was a class keeper.

Clemence played behind that miserly RS defence who just passed it back to him all the time. He was never called upon to make as many saves as Nev was.

Kieran Kinsella
15 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:57:45
This chat sent me Googling. I didn't realize Clemence was dead (RIP). I could swear I heard him commentating recently.
Danny O'Neill
16 Posted 27/03/2025 at 20:58:04
My late Northern Irish Grandfather wouldn't have let me leave Jennings out, Kieran. I forget he was at Everton briefly although didn't play.

Yes, Southall was the best in Europe at the time. I'm glad I had the privilege to watch him and the rest of that period.

Back to Tim, I like the suggestion of him being a North American ambassador for the club. I thought at the time, we should have made more of the connection, as well as players like Landon Donovan and Brian McBride.

Similarly, with Tim Cahill in his native Australia and New Zealand. Don't laugh at the latter. There is a certain Nottingham Forest striker who isn't doing too bad this season.

And that would be some pre-season tour!!!

Mike Gaynes
17 Posted 27/03/2025 at 21:20:30
Liam #10, I was watching the CBS Champions League Postgame show a few weeks ago with Thierry, Micah, Carragher, Schmeichel and my love goddess Kate, and at one point she was hitting them with random questions. One was "greatest goalkeeper ever."

Carragher instantly said "Neville Southall. Not well known because he played for Everton but best ever."

No other name even came up. Schmeichel's eyebrows shot up, Thierry and Micah looked at each other, there was a moment of silence and a shrug or two, and then on to the next question.

Nev hasn't played in 25 years, and think how many great keepers have come since -- Kahn, Casillas, Buffon, Neuer -- yet among those who played the game, nobody's name occurred except Nev's.

Kinda says it all.

Kieran Kinsella
18 Posted 27/03/2025 at 21:22:36
Danny,

I don't have any Northern Irish ancestors though two great grandparents, one who was in the British Army, the other press ganged into the original IRA, both in 1918.

But I did meet Pat Jennings on the tube. I recognized him and said “Are you Pat Jennings?” He said "Yes." We had a friendly chat then everyone else cottoned on to it and suddenly the poor bloke was over-run by rowdy Spurs fans.

Similarly a few years later at the National Theatre, I saw a familiar face and asked for his autograph then again the more discerning crowd poured forward clamoring for his autograph at which point several men in suits abruptly escorted him out of the theatre for his own safety. His name was Salman Rushdie.

It was then I realized it's not always wise to call out a famous face in public.

Mark Murphy
19 Posted 27/03/2025 at 21:41:26
Jim Leighton?
I realise this is all opinions, and everyone is entitled to theirs, but,
Jim Leighton???
Rob Dolby
20 Posted 27/03/2025 at 21:56:42
Howard was fantastic for us. Hundreds of appearances countless class saves and a goal against Bolton.

Dai Davies was in goal when I started watching the blues. We have had some top class goalies over the years. We can we attract top goalies and defenders but can't find anyone at the top end of the pitch.

Best:
Southall
Pickford
Howard

Worst:
McDonagh
Richard Wright
Steve Simonsen

Danny O'Neill
21 Posted 27/03/2025 at 21:58:59
Decent shout Mark. Part of Sir Alex's successful Aberdeen side and followed him to United.

Kieran, my Grandad was in Burma in WW2. My Godfathers dad, Patrick (Paddy) Morrison was from Dublin and rioted against the black and tans. As I was leaving to join the Army, him and his youngest son (born and raised in Garston and Speke) told me they hated the British Army, but told me I was okay and gave me their blessing!!

Talking of disputes, we've got the second round against Slot and co next week after the handbags at Goodison. It can't come quick enough. I hope Tim is hanging around and goes home with a proud smug grin on his face.

Brendan McLaughlin
22 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:09:34
Kieran #18

"Press ganged"... I can see how that worked for the British and probably other navy's.

But for the land locked IRA. how did that come to pass?

Dave Abrahams
23 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:11:24
Kieran (18) I was walking my dog one Saturday mid day when I saw this fella walking past me he had just parked his car in a bus lane, I was staring at him and he looked back and I apologised for staring at him and said “ Sorry for staring but you look like Gordon Banks “ he said “ I am Gordon Banks” he’d parked his car because there was a road block which later turned out to be because of a murder case, I said to Gordon “ Go and have a word with the policeman who is in charge of the road block he might recognise you and let you take your car through to were you are going if he doesn’t let you through you can park in my driveway which is two minutes from here” he had a word with the bizzie who told him to get his car and he’d let him through, he gave me the thumbs up as he came back so all was well.

Turned out Banksie was on the panel which gave their verdict on postboned games for Littlewoods Pools and also on the spot the ball panel for the same company.

I never had the presence of mind to ask him for his autograph.

Alan McGuffog
24 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:12:42
Rob..don't you dare leave David Lawson out. I know which list I'd have him in.
Steve Brown
25 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:15:22
Rob @ 20, surely Paul Gerrard has to be added to the worse of list?

Letting that 40 yarder in from McAllister alone is reason to add him to the list. It was so far out it took 3 seconds to reach the net, with Gerrard doing a dying swan dive to try to get across.

Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:15:40
Ron (20 )Ron cancel that worst list and put Paul Gerrard at the top of it! And put Nigel Martyn second after Neville! In my opinion of course!
John Raftery
27 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:17:29
Rob (20) I would add Paul Gerrard to a list of worst keepers.
Steve Brown
28 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:18:42
Haha great minds think alike Dave!
Kieran Kinsella
29 Posted 27/03/2025 at 22:52:21
Dave

You’ve disproved my theory on outing celebs.

Brendan,

He was a 16 year old kid and apparently the press ganging went something like this “we’ve locked these bastards in the town jail. We are off to fight the British. Here’s a gun if you let them out we’ll fucking kill you.”

Liam Mogan
30 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:05:36
I'm going Nigel Martyn 2nd after Big Nev also.

Richard Wright was a very poor keeper.

Brendan McLaughlin
31 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:09:03
Kieran # 29

Not "press ganging" as it's generally understood then?

By the way...who were the "bastards"?

I mean if they are off to fight the British?

Danny O'Neill
32 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:18:36
Dave, I am too young to properly remember Gordon Banks. I caught him briefly when he was playing in the US. Reading up on him, I didn't realise he served in the same mob as me and played for Army teams at various levels during his National Service.

I don't have many famous player or people encounters, but I did happen to bump into Andy Burnham at Euston Square station on the way home from the 3-2 Tottenham match this season. He asked if I'd been to the match. He had. We discussed it and then I asked him why he wasn't Mayor of Liverpool. He smiled and said "good question". I didn't know what to read into that.

And Dave, along with John, thank you for reminding me of one of my worst Everton moments. And there have been a few.

That whole phase of play. It should have been a free kick to us, but gets given their way. Then McAlister moves the ball about 10 yards forward from where the incident happened. He puts a shot from distance that seemed to bobble more than it flew in. Gerrard, rather than shuffle across, drop to his knee and gather the ball, dives like a dying, flapping salmon and the ball somehow ends up in the net.

I'm off to bed. Hopefully I won't wake up thinking about that one.

Paul Kossoff
33 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:23:32
I wonder if our new owners are going to notice that big false canal thing behind the stadium? You know, the body of water that's facing an even bigger body of water I think it's called the river Mersey. Now I bet they are thinking what bloody idiot wasted all that space when we could be making money out of it, hotel, gym, training facilities, pub, considering the debt we are in. And why didn't we make it the biggest stadium in Merseyside? Let's hope if our new owners buy the dock next to BM that they don't go all heritage woke and turn it into a swimming pool for a rookery of seabirds, and well you can't have two canals, can you? 😀
Kieran Kinsella
34 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:27:14
Brendan

I know you’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer but oddly enough the people they were going off to fight were other British people. I know you expect every poster to provide 19 sources cited on here before posting but since I’m lazy I’ll tell you to look up the history of Wexford and figure the rest out your cantankerous self.

Paul Kossoff
35 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:28:12
Best save from Tim? https://youtube.com/shorts/5EJr2Vfdjow?feature=shared
Laurie Hartley
36 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:28:47
I post this link every time the subject of Everton goalkeepers comes up.

Andy Rankin in front of the Kop

I was directly behind half way up the Anfield Rd terracing. Roger Hunt blasted that shot from the edge of the box and it was heading for the top right hand corner. I can still remember the nose it made when Andy got a hand to it. We won 4-1.

It’s an omen.

I never had the privilege of seeing much of Neville Southall - no such thing as internet streaming then but he is rated as the best by many of my generation so he must have been a great keeper

I rate Nigel Martin right up there because of his command of the 6 yard box. But when it comes to shot stoppers I think Andy deserves a special mention.

Ian Pilkington
37 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:34:40
Big Nev
Jordan Pickford
Gordon West (2 League Championships and an FA Cup, I’m old enough to remember him).
Nigel Martyn
Tim Howard
Martin Farrington
38 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:35:04
Dave @ 23
You didnt have the presence of mind to ask him where the ball was either !!!

Gordon West was my first viewing of a blues keeper, but it was his last year and I think I was 7. I think Andy Rankine took over after but I cant be sure.
I recall Dave Lawson, Dai Davies, George Wood and Jim Arnold.
Ok but none were great.
Other pretty terrible regulars were Bobby Mimms and Martin Hodge.

Nev, Pix, Howard, Martyn for me.

Brendan McLaughlin
39 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:52:27
Seriously Kieran #34

The vast majority of the population of Ireland would not see themselves as British. I mean even the sharpest "tool" can see that?

I've been to Wexford. I've been to Vinegar Hill.

Kieran Kinsella
40 Posted 27/03/2025 at 23:56:11
Brendan

So why are you questioning me over my great grandfathers experience?

John Francis
41 Posted 28/03/2025 at 00:05:12
Oh dear am I the only one here who seen Albert Dunlop? 10-4 Tottenham over and out.
Brendan McLaughlin
42 Posted 27/03/2025 at 00:21:25
Kieran #40

Just don't believe it... mate.

The vast majority of men in Ireland did not join the IRA... only a very small minority. So press ganging would have been very counter productive. Informer's and all that.

I'm not sure I want to be the sharpest knive in the drawer... you cut people a bit unnecessarily when you are.

Ernie Baywood
43 Posted 28/03/2025 at 00:26:34
How long has this break between fixtures been now? Feels like close season.
Kieran Kinsella
44 Posted 28/03/2025 at 00:41:43
Brendan

My family hated the IRA but thanks for the “history lesson.”

Brendan McLaughlin
45 Posted 28/03/2025 at 00:55:58
Kieran #44

Who brought the IRA to an Everton thread?

Not me.

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 28/03/2025 at 01:28:12
Brendan

So if you don’t introduce a topic it excuses your typically vapid comments?

Paul Ferry
47 Posted 28/03/2025 at 02:15:01
Dear God Hewey: "I'd put only Southall above Howard in terms of the best Everton keepers I've seen".

Kieran (15): I did not know or had forgotten that.

RIP Ray Clemence, a red I never had any issues with apart from being a red, needless to say.

Mark Murphy
48 Posted 28/03/2025 at 06:34:54
“Decent shout Mark.”
Au Cointreau Danny, au Cointreau!
I was questioning some other fella mentioning Jim Leighton inclusion in a list that names Southall and Jennings amongst others.
Jim Leighton was shite, imo.
Peter Mills
49 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:11:10
Bobby Mimms was not a great goalie, but he is much-maligned, largely for not being Neville Southall.

He is remembered mainly for conceding 3 goals, none of which were down to him, in the 1986 FA Cup final, a horrible day. However, he performed very well in the preceding games after stepping in for Nev, conceding only 4 in 10.

Danny O'Neill
50 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:17:02
Very blunt assessment, Mark!! I thought he was okay. Not in that league, but okay.

Peter… 10 May 1986. I still remember the date. It was gut-wrenching having been so close to the double ourselves.

Colin Crooks
51 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:26:09
Very good on his day, but strangely flawed (what the fuck were those star jumps about?). I thought he cost us the FA Cup Final against Chelsea while Tony Hibbert took all the flak - Even though we were never losing when he was on the pitch. Still. Howard was a great servant to Everton. A brilliant signing.

I remember listening to him describe what it was like to play for USA at the Azteca stadium in front of 90,000 seething Mexicans... Very funny story about what seemed to be a terrifying experience.

Rob Dolby
52 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:27:02
Alan 24, Steve 25, Dave 26.

I did want to put Gerrard in there but thought Simonson shaded it. I will add him in as 4th worse. I only caught the very end of Lawson's career with us, old footage makes him look about 5ft 7.

I also considered Nigel Martyn he was very good for us, reassuring and steady in goal after Wenger had sold us a dud with Wright but we got him at the end of his career where he could barely kick the ball past the halfway line.

Peter Mills
53 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:30:40
Danny, I still blame myself. In the pub on the way home from the semifinal, I declared to all and sundry that this was it, we would beat Liverpool to the Double, it would make up for everything we had suffered.

The kiss of death.

Colin Crooks
54 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:31:01
Peter.

Agreed. Bobby Mimms was a very, very, goalkeeper. Never forgiven for not being Neville Southall

Derek Thomas
55 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:38:52
There's Big Nev out in front like Red Rum Mk1 and then half a dozen or so of the rest trailing like Crisp a hundred yards back (google it) in a photo finish for 2nd place...
West, Rankin, Woods, Mimms*, Martyn, Howard, Pickford.
All on their day very good to exceptional, yet all with a deficiency, be it temperament, not to good on crosses - whatever.

* Mimms - puts tin hat on; it's not his fault that Southall got injured and that the team had 2 players, Mountfield and Bracewell carrying injuries, both of whom were not taken off / subbed and finished the the Cup Final.
Mountfield didn't start the next season (this was the reason Watson was signed) and Bracewell didn't kick a ball for 2 yrs.
Both were essentially finished as top class players...but it was all Mimms fault.

Further more, if we had got just a draw from the very early Derby, while we were still working out how to play with Lineker and who played best with him, we win the League no matter about Oxford and the rs big final run in.

Robert Tressell
56 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:45:26
Pickford best in my period of supporting by a country mile.

Very sad but I can only remember Southall as over the hill.

Paul Ferry
57 Posted 28/03/2025 at 07:49:53
Colin Crooks 51: I remember listening to him describe what it was like to play for USA at the Azteca stadium in front of 90,000 seething Mexicans...Very funny story about what seemed to be a terrifying experience.

Hardly surprising, mate, given the contemptuous, racist (murderers, thieves, rapists), arrogant, nationalistic way that the U.S. government and many of its citizens treat Mexico and Mexicans, without whom the world's 5th largest economy could not possibly survive and the 1st largest economy would be in possibly terminal crisis that would make 1929 look like a fart.

I was made up when Mexico won CONCAF 2025 with Panama as runners up. The very definition of poetical/political justice today. Hilarious to watch Poch's misfits get battered by Canada 2-1 and I mean battered. Perhaps some Americans might be able to understand the glee of Europe at that humbling.

Poch would dump USA USA USA in a heartbeat for crasily his true love Spuds if Levy would cough up 80 percent of his current wage.

David Peate
58 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:19:54
In my time, the three best goalkeepers who appeared for Everton without any doubt were Southall, Pickford and Sagar in that order.
Peter Mills
59 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:30:53
Just having a browse on the Everton Results site…

While I could remember Sandy Brown and Kevin Ratcliffe stepping in between the sticks, I had no recollection of Mick Lyons doing the same thing.

Danny O'Neill
60 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:37:00
Bobby Mimms was a very good backup. From my experience at the time, most supporters took to him and appreciated his performances.

I would go one step back from the defeat at Oxford and to the match prior against Forest when we failed to beat them. I wasn't at the match and listened on the radio, which I hate. I felt a 6th sense that we could blow it.

But we could still do it. I distinctly remember the 6-1 mauling of Southampton. I was in my usual spec right behind the goal above the ledge. Way before mobile and smart phones, someone in the Main Stand, who must have had a transistor radio started gesturing and the Chinese whispers word spread that Liverpool were losing, sending the ground into short-lived euphoria before reality kicked in. False dawn.

We played West Ham, beat them and the Irons supporters around Goodison were wishing us well in the Cup Final, although there was a bit of aggro inside. It wasn't uncommon for a stand off in the corner between the Enclosure and Park End in those days. I think it was that West Ham match. Could have been a different one.

The FA Cup wasn't to be either.

We would have qualified for the European Cup Winners Cup that would have been consolation, but we were disqualified from European competition. Further salt in the wounds for a team and supporters that never got to compete in Europe's top competition twice, through no fault of our own.

Which brings me onto next week. Let's make the trek across the Park, hold our heads high, face that mocking Steaua Bucharest banner, and remind them who the originals are.

I'm surprised that none of their own haven't taken it upon themselves to rip that thing down when it makes an appearance given what it signifies and "celebrates". Surely if they have supporters with a conscience?. Maybe not.

Brendan McLaughlin
61 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:39:05
Ouch Kieran #46

Nothing wrong with going off tangent... happens all the time on ToffeeWeb.

Believing fables that we were told as children... not so much.

Danny O'Neill
62 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:42:40
Peter, I think Kevin Ratcliffe's thighs would have covered a significant mass of the goal.

I don't recall him ever being called upon, but the talk was that Rooney was a bit handy between the sticks and used to have a go in training.

Ray Roche
63 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:47:27
Paul Kossof @35,

That's one of the best saves by any keeper in any era. If it was The Bearded Lady from across the park, it would be shown on MotD every week.

Peter Mills
64 Posted 28/03/2025 at 08:52:20
Danny, we made the trip to Forest. We had a great chance to win it at the end but missed it, and we had a sense of foreboding after the final whistle.
Colin Crooks
65 Posted 28/03/2025 at 09:25:03
You're surely not suggesting The US government are not treating their neighbours with the utmost respect, PF ?

On a day when The Greenlanders are preparing to roll out the red carpet for Trumps lacky ?

Derek 55

Your memory is playing tricks my friend. Crisp did not finish a hundred Yards behind Red Rum. He was caught on the line after giving one of the greatest exhibitions of Jumping ever seen at Aintree. If he'd have been carrying the same weight as "Rummy" He would have beaten him by a country mile. The 24lb extra allocated to Crisp by the handicapper is what did for him in those final few strides.

Loved Red Rum. A legend of a horse because of his bravery and longevity, but in terms of pure class. He was not in the same league as Crisp

Dave Abrahams
66 Posted 28/03/2025 at 09:34:36
Martin (38), Nice one Martin, was wondering what you meant until I went back and read my post —-LOL!
Danny O'Neill
67 Posted 28/03/2025 at 09:39:58
I wouldn't say that, Colin.

According to the news, it's scaled back to visit the already existing US Space Force Base that's been there for years following an agreement between Denmark and the US.

I don't know about red carpet. There is a lot of resistance from Greenland. A strong call for independence from Denmark, but resistance to any takeover by the US.

Dave Abrahams
68 Posted 28/03/2025 at 09:42:24
Laurie (36), I thought Andy Rankin was a very underrated goalkeeper, he took a lot of flak after the Notts Forest cup tie in the 3-2 loss in 1967.

By the way, Laurie, that game was 4-0 not 4-1. I've told you this before — one more time and you're out!

Add my name to those saying Bobby Mimms wasn't the blame for Everton throwing away the double.

Dave Watson was signed because of Pat van den Hauwe's illness!

Colin Crooks
69 Posted 28/03/2025 at 09:46:25
Sorry Danny. I was being sarcastic, mate - I was actually agreeing with PF.
Danny O'Neill
70 Posted 28/03/2025 at 09:48:34
Oh, I'll read the question next time Colin!!
Mark Murphy
71 Posted 28/03/2025 at 10:08:26
Danny said,

"I'm surprised that none of their own haven't taken it upon themselves to rip that thing down when it makes an appearance given what it signifies and "celebrates". Surely if they have supporters with a conscience? Maybe not."

No, but they do have stewards, Danny, who would confiscate similar if it was at our end (if we had their shameful history, that is!)

Half of them are so thick they probably don't get it. To see just how thick they are, see Chico Azul reeling them in here:

https://x.com/gianlucachianti/status/1904605824863133807?s=46&t=9_SsH7k6A9iMPSFRzv4eXQ

Anthony Dove
72 Posted 28/03/2025 at 10:13:29
David @58 and I thought I was old. The first keepers I
remember were Jimmy O'Neil and Albert Dunlop.

Dunlop was a decent keeper but too small. When he retired,
he set up a sports shop in competition with Jack Sharps.
He used to ask customers what Sharps charged and would
charge less. The business did not last long.

Gordon West at his peak was tremendous but Neville's the only winner.

Martin Farrington
73 Posted 28/03/2025 at 10:48:59
Ray #63 laughed and laughed.

Yes the sideshow freak. Crap keeper. The only way to stop the rns getting the title is to phone Putin and say that Trump just called him a fag.

(Before you all kick-off I am not homophobic whatsoever. Putin, the monster is, very very much so.)

Martin Mason
74 Posted 28/03/2025 at 11:06:34
I saw all from Albert Dunlop to Pickford and the best keepers in the UK in that time and I personally rate Pickford as good as any and I'll include Southall, Banks and Shilton.

He doesn't have a weakness only perceived and his shot stopping is incredible. Did Dyche or any other manager keep us up? Look no further than the man between the posts and how many points he was worth.

Dave Abrahams
75 Posted 28/03/2025 at 11:13:32
David (58),

Yes, I forgot about Ted Sagar who was about Pickford's size maybe slimmer, a very brave and agile ‘keeper who played at a time when goalies were fair game for bustling forwards and were attacked from all angles, I'd put him second and Martin third.

David… using “Without a shadow of a doubt” on ToffeeWeb?

Paul Ferry
76 Posted 28/03/2025 at 16:13:42
I was at that game (or one of them) when Mick was in goal Pete. Been scratching my head but I cannot remember. Been hunting on line but without any luck. I did come across this, a match I most certainly do remember.

Those were the days eh!

https://x.com/SiiPuck/status/1761385025340149927

Alan McGuffog
77 Posted 28/03/2025 at 16:40:15
Peter,

I think I saw Sandy go into goal in a game against Stoke. Andy Rankin had hurt his arm and ended up stuck out on the left wing. 1965-ish?

I think he also went in goal after Gordon was sent off up at St James Park?

Jeff Armstrong
78 Posted 28/03/2025 at 16:44:32
Paul 76, Mick Lyons came on at 60 minutes for David Lawson at West Brom in 1973 in a 4-1 defeat and also for big Nev in 1982 in the 90th minute against Man U in a 3-3 draw at home, both Division 1.

Try evertonresults.com a fantastic website full of information.

I mean I did remember all those facts but I just checked in case I was mistaken 😜

Paul Ferry
79 Posted 28/03/2025 at 18:05:12
"... both Division 1"

When were we ever in Div-2 in our young lifetimes Jeff!

Can't think where else to put this: do the clocks go forwards in old Blighty this weekend? I like being 5 hours behind for three weeks in March.

Jeff Armstrong
80 Posted 28/03/2025 at 18:15:46
Never out of the top flight in our lifetimes, PF, in fact you would have to be well into pension age to have seen the Blues in Division 2; that is a massive achievement for any club.

I was livid when some said maybe going down would be a reset,or they'd rather win a cup and go down. For fuck's sake, we could have dropped and dropped like Slunderland, Man City, Leeds etc, etc

For me, going out of cups was gutting but, if it helped retaining top flight status, it was worth it, even the RS can't beat us on that stat.

Yeah, this weekend for the clocks, Paul, light nights coming soon for us over here.

Paul Ferry
81 Posted 28/03/2025 at 18:23:09
I was livid when some said maybe going down would be a reset, or they'd rather win a cup and go down.

100% Jeff. Being in the top flight is in our DNA, up there with hating 'them'.

Danny O'Neill
82 Posted 28/03/2025 at 18:24:25
They do, Paul. These days, I don't think about it. That's what Smartphones are for.

Automatically update — and my alarm is a dog that is religious in her routine. No need for me to think about it!!

Andy Meighan
83 Posted 28/03/2025 at 19:19:27
Re Clemence lads.

Hate them bastards but got to say he was one of the best I've seen alongside the greatest of them all, Big Nev.

I recall Clemence making a save in a derby in the mid-70s. Gary Jones tricked his way to the byline, dinked a lovely little ball right onto Big Bob's head, 0-0 soon to turn into 1-0… only for Clemence to come from nowhere to save a point for them.

To me, it still remains one of the greatest saves I've ever seen. RIP Ray Clemence.

Jeff Armstrong
84 Posted 28/03/2025 at 21:16:52
Andy @83,

Latchford missed a few good chances against the RS back then, there were loads of 0-0s in the mid seventies if memory serves.

I remember being at Anfield, last minute and Latchford one-on-one v Clemence, he just lobbed into his hands, he was a bit DCL was big Bob, give him time to think and he would fluff it, first touch and chances on instinct he was brilliant.

I think Latchford must have been Lineker's absolute hero.

Jeff Armstrong
85 Posted 28/03/2025 at 21:41:00
Going back to keepers, Lawson, Davies, Wood probably all cost us silverware in the '70s, none were great and not having a great keeper didn't help in the mid seventies, neither did Billy Wright, Mike Bernard, Geoff Nulty and a few other average players either/

It was what it was, we were not good enough and other teams where better, simple facts, some decent players, decent teams but ultimately top four and quarter- or semi-finalists at best.

Eighties, … Neville was a massive difference; we lost when he didn't play. Mimms, Arnold etc weren't on his level, and we lost big games because of that.

For me, Martyn, and Howard have been steady in the 2000s. Pickford? Hmmm,… great at times, frustrating at other times. He could have been great but his mentality is questionable.

He wants to be too involved when he's not required. He should just be concentrating on the next time he's needed, but he wants to take free kicks, make 40-yard passes and generally be part of the game.

Jordan, stick to goalkeeping — you're not a footballer.

Tim Constable
86 Posted 28/03/2025 at 23:28:43
Not sure if he has been mentioned yet but the poorest keeper of recent years that I can think of, actually picked up an FA Cup winners medal in 95: Jason Kearton was sub keeper that day.

Although, to be fair to him, he was cover for Nev, so was never really going to get a chance. He played 6 matches in 8 years at Everton.

Laurie Hartley
87 Posted 29/03/2025 at 02:32:09
Dave (68);- I have given myself a good talking to. I won't make that same mistake again.

Here is a link to the match details:-
Link

Scroll down to look at Harry Catterick's record against Shankly. He was a great manager, Harry Catterick. He bought Gordon West, by the way.

I should have mentioned Westy in my earlier post. He could handle himself in the 6-yard box – all elbows and knees (and the occasional fist). He would often throw the ball to a winger standing on the halfway line.

I remember my surprise when he ran out to the Gwladys Street end atd Gooison Park with a baseball cap on to protect him from the sun.

Liam Mogan
88 Posted 29/03/2025 at 02:36:24
Neville Southall is in the top 3 Everton players of all time. For me, he's the one, but older fans may disagree.

If you didn't see how good he was, you weren't there.

Take Jordan Pickford and times him by 10.

John Hall
89 Posted 29/03/2025 at 10:53:43
I actually expected better things from Thomas Myhre, who replaced Big Nev, as a keeper, but it just didn't seem to work out with him at Everton for some reason.
Dave Abrahams
90 Posted 29/03/2025 at 11:21:44
Jeff (84), I remember that miss by Latchford at Anfield — a very tame lob when it was easier to smash the ball past him. He did the same in the next away game at Leeds with a poor lob in the last few minutes.

I was never a big fan of Bob —l ovely fella off the field not so much on it.

You also have Pickford spot on @(85) always wanting to make great saves when it is easier to avoid them. He made a great save from a corner v West Ham the last home game, the ball was headed out from the corner but was blasted back in for him to make that save.

It was much easier for him to get off his line and punch the initial corner away from the goal. And don't mention his temperament — he's off his bleedin' cake throughout the game.

Dave Abrahams
91 Posted 29/03/2025 at 11:42:29
Laurie (87), don't be too hard on yourself, lol!

I thought Harry Catterick was as every bit as good as Shankly and he not only bought Gordon West but added Ray Wilson, Tony Kay (what a signing!), Johnny Morrissey, Alex Scott and Dennis Stevens who all improved the team and more importantly added steel to that 1963 team. Although the sale of Bobby Collins upset a lot of fans, we still won the league despite that not long after.

I hope you are fit and well, Laurie, and I know the recent upturn in results will have stopped the worry of relegation and improved your mental health at least — best wishes, Laurie.

Geoff Cadman
92 Posted 29/03/2025 at 12:29:02
Dave #91,

I agree with your comparison between Catterick and Shankly. That era was the most competitive in English football, yet only 4 names are given any recognition. Its a disgrace that Harry and a few others are omitted from the list.

When he signed West as a teenager, many questioned the move, especially when he was replaced by another teenager. We were soon proved wrong.

I always enjoyed the "Gordon, Gordon" chant that greeted West every game – we even gave Gordon Banks a rendition after the World Cup. I have often thought it could be revived to welcome 'Jordon' Pickford in the same way.

Laurie Hartley
93 Posted 30/03/2025 at 06:38:17
Dave # 91 - thanks Dave I am fit and well and I hope you are too. My mental health has had an 180 degree turnaround so much so that I think I like our new manager!

What’s even more surprising is that I am looking forward to the derby.


Derek Thomas
94 Posted 30/03/2025 at 07:55:58
Dave at 91; In that decade of the 60s, yes he had his faults and yes with hindsight he made mistakes, but reel off all the 'big name' managers you like back then and compare them nobody won more points than Catterick, add in 3 Trophies and its a fair record.

Just like Southall earlier in the thread not many...outside of here...'rate' Harry.

Their loss.

Dave Abrahams
95 Posted 30/03/2025 at 08:57:22
Laurie, I think a lot of Everton fans are not fearing facing Liverpool on Wednesday, and I'm hoping for at least a draw.
Glad to hear you are doing very well — keep it up!

Derek, Harry Catterick was my favourite Everton manager, he did a great job and if he had delegated a lot of his work he would have lasted much longer, his health definitely suffered because of the hours he put in managing the club.

Danny O'Neill
96 Posted 30/03/2025 at 09:29:04
Dave, to coin a phrase from Roberto Martinez, which may not sit well with some, "Sin Miedo" (without fear). I'm not going to Anfield afraid of them. I never will.

On Harry Catterick, I can only go off stories and what I've read. It seems he was very authoritarian and wanted to control everything.

You could say that about Moyes first time around, but he seems to be more relaxed now. Age and experience I guess.

Dave Abrahams
97 Posted 30/03/2025 at 13:06:26
Danny (96),

I think Catterick was his own man, never courted the media, while Shankly was an egotistical extrovert who embraced them.

Bill Nicholson at Spurs was more like Catterick – just got on with his job and was a fine manager.

Sadly, he started as he meant to go on… his first game in charge of Spurs was the 10-4 hammering of Everton! I think Johnny Carey was in charge of Everton at that game, possibly Ian Buchan… No Mr Carey.

Geoff Cadman
98 Posted 30/03/2025 at 16:03:41
Dave #95/97,

Both very good posts. I often wonder how he would have fared without the brains of Paisley behind him. He convinced the RS fans they were something special, to boost his own ego.

Unfortunately it has been passed down and escalated from each generation since.

Don Alexander
99 Posted 30/03/2025 at 16:40:49
Westy went for a trial at Blackpool as an outfield player. Blackpool and England's goalie was Tony Waiters but somehow Westy ousted him, and then along came Catterick and the rest is history.

To me he's an all-time great.


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