James Garner shares dressing room aspirations for next season

He's gonna be disappointed if he was hoping for a corner seat!

I hope Gana gets an extension, playing the best of his time with us. I am fairly confident Moyes will make the right choices in player recruitment.

I'll take up knitting and sewing buttons on hard-boiled eggs if that happens! :-)

Few world clubs aren't looking for a good manager.

Despite overseeing a remarkable turnaround in Everton's fortunes, I don't think any of the monied clubs would be particularly interested in him at this stage.

I always thought Moyes was the old-fashioned type who, once he's signed a contract, feels obligated to see it through.

I just saw how funny it could be if we were to have given him no security of tenure (if that is true) that he takes a good job offered on the basis of what he has achieved so far.

Sometimes, a good team can be the result of chance occurrences that happen. such as us becoming a decent side despite not having good Moyes type wide players or a Moyes standard forward.

I still remember the looks of absolute horror on the faces of the Old Trafford faithful whilst travelling blues taunted the living daylights out of them when Martinez did (at the first time of asking) what Moyes had failed to do despite numerous efforts.

"Stuck with Moyes, Stuck with Moyes Man United. Stuck with Moyes, Stuck with Moyes I say!"

The annual title-winning party was over for the Mancs and they knew it. Moyes had been exposed. Taking away his glass ceiling was like taking a comfort blanket away from a child.

I'm sorry but your post shows a very narrow lack of understanding of what he took on, the difficulty of the job, and why he wasn't (as every Man Utd manager since) incapable of success.

Some do understand the issues and you can probably educate yourself well on the issues if you look. That isn't meant to be derogatory but "he does badly so he must be hopeless" isn't a logical cause and effect — what really matters is "Why".

You sound like Moyes himself when he was bleating about the treatment he got. Seems the Blue Army didn't show enough gratitude for all those memorable wins at Stamford Bridge. The Emirates. Anfield and Old Trafford.

Why don't you educate yourself instead? Look back and count the wins he got at the big clubs. Only then can you understand why all those Blues who were there that night were right... and you are wrong.

I hear some criticism of James Garner, but I like him. He is working well alongside Gana Gueye and has an eye for a forward pass. In some ways, and only from a football perspective, he reminds me a bit of Darren Gibson.

Unfortunately, we never got the best out of the latter, partly due to injury and partly due to lifestyle. At the time, when he did play, he seemed to be one of the few we had who could pass a decent ball forward. Wasted talent.

Garner, despite his slight frame, is not shy of putting in a firm tackle and his work rate is good. Still only 24 as well.

And those aspirations must be more than "don't get relegated."

I despair of comments posted on ToffeeWeb. I feel qualified to rant as I have experienced managers of the club since the days of Theo Kelly. Now there is a manager of whom you can moan.

Leave Moyes be.

First, Harrison was exceptional when he was on the pitch. Second, Doucoure had a very good game and scored a superb goal that gave us 3 points.

In the end, the team played very well with Ndiaye providing that necessary magic. I think we may see Doucoure and Harrison in the squad next season and I think that is good for the squad.

He was out of his depth, as every other manager they tried was out of his depth – including the present one?

With regard to the two you mention, I think Doucouré is an awful footballer, but as on Saturday, he can contribute to the team effort and, on sensible wages, I could see him remaining as an important squad player.

Jack Harrison is different: frustrating, yes, but he does have some good footballing skills, and a good attitude. I think he really needs to be played on the left, and if there is no transfer fee, I could also see him in the squad for next season.

Finally, I would like to give a shout out for Beto, who I really thought was hopeless and a complete waste of money; however, I have changed my mind. I now see him as a hard-working and valuable member of the team and think he should be our Number 9 for next season, when he just may turn out to be our Chris Wood.

I was massively annoyed at Bill giving him his leaving party, but you cannot argue with what he has done since coming back.

Maybe Forest are shot, but I think it was an exceptional performance considering who we can currently field. Harrison was excellent and the whole team put a shift in.

I'll judge Moyes on his current performance. We were dead in a ditch in January. Garner has tried his balls off and, if he wants to dream, fair enough. Forest signed so many players that Nuno had a chance to find a winning team.

Still Jordan Henderson and Nicky Butt and others have shown how far hard work and a good attitude can take you. Stick at it JG.

David Peate (13): "Silence! ... Leave Moyes be".

Can someone remind me if this is an open forum or not? Who on earth are you Mr. Peate to demand "silence"?

Oh sorry, you're "qualified" because you go all the way back to Theo Kelly. An equally bizarre statement. Why don't we just give people the permission to say anything they want when they get a bus pass?

But what qualifies you to categorise fellow Evertonians view on the manager based on age? And your "silence" quote is a bit misplaced and dictator like, suppressing the people who voice murmurings of doubt over the longevity.

The first Everton manager I remember was Billy Bingham. That doesn't give me the right to dismiss younger generations, who to many, Moyes is their benchmark of relative success. That goes for friends of a similar and older age. We debate it and agree to disagree.

Anyway, before this turns into another Moyes v Moyes thread, back on track.

Robert @18, I agree with you on Garner and he still has time to get better before he hits his late 20s, by which time most players have done their developing.

Likewise with the players you mention. I would add Phil Neville. Won the lot being a squad player with Manchester United and was important for Everton. Not the greatest footballer, but his leadership and presence was missed when he wasn't on the pitch.

He was great against Forest Bob and it's not the first time this season he's caught the eye.

Has it returned with a former manager or is it because we've started winning and have more confidence that players will go along with it whereas previously these sort of releases seemed to feature Mr Dyche only.

Similarly, newly signed players are usually seen sat at a desk with pen in hand wearing an Everton shirt and scarf, never saying who got them ready or if their Mum let them go out like that.

So many players ending their contracts. Moyes will take the path of as little change as possible.Some one year extentions and loans, even continuing loans , a few hardened professionals hopefully a : Maginn,Madison or Bowen type, if Everton are lucky.

Aspiration is to stay in the Premiership and get to the top half of the table.There will not be the depth or resilience for any Cup runs and therefore European aspirations are dead in the water before they start.

Moyes will never say that a Club of Everton's stature should be challenging to win the Premiership and European competitions.He does not believe that and will drops such hints to the end of his contract.There is not a queue of aspirational Clubs even thinking of Moyes as their Manager.

When Moyes starts winning regularly against the so-called big boys, then you can climb back on your high horse.

So let me get this straight. You, along with many other Moyes supporters, are suggesting we can't judge Moyes until he has built his own squad. Yet you claim the current Man Utd manager has already become a failure, even though he also has not had the chance to build his own squad.

Personally, I hope Amorim continues in the same vein and United continue to struggle. But it's double standards to give Moyes a free pass until he brings his own players in. Then call Amorim a failure without giving him the same chance.

I once used the fail accusation to a poster over Ancelotti, regretted it and apologised.

Garner is a good player Dave. I've always been underrated, but I know what you meant, McNeil is too.

I forgot to mention Amorim in response to Martin's earlier post. Yes, possibly out of his depth too, but then, like the last several Everton manager, he's surrounded by a pantomime running the show.

Dave#31

Spot on on Doucoure's performance.

In the proper context what we got against Forest was hardworking Dycheball with Wingers and the hoped for forward getting the right connection on the ball.

The best play of the game was McNeill's assisted pass.

Oh before you tell me Jeff one of those goals got us to Wembley in 1966 with the winner v Man. Unt. in the semi final and another was the clincher v WBA in the 2-0 win when we won the league title in 1970.

I'd ensure he's signed up on appropriate wages rather than lost on a free in the future.

He then either steps on to deliver in the pitch, or becomes a squad player that's ultimately replaced. Mcneil similar.

Interesting.

Garner is right in his comments. There's no reason for us not to look up rather than down, and have a bit of ambition.

I don't think anyone has. Moyes v Moyes is just reference to the inevitable divided opinions this appointment was always going to generate. One side won't sway the other and vice-versa. I prefer to keep it civil.

I have reread them all and I cannot see any.

Spot on.
Those who disagree must have some kind of mental block ? Are they forgetting that Moyes inherited a team needing a complete rebuild, added to that over a billion has been spent on players since his departure and look where they are now !
Oh and I nearly forgot ! they have had more Managers than players Moyes signed since he left.
Some ungrateful sour posters on this site.

Pickford, O'Brien, Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Mykolenko, Gueye, Garner, Alcaraz, Ndiaye.

Fill in the gaps and add depth.

As I have said many times previously, let’s see what next season brings before going overboard about a manager who has won one trophy in his entire career.

Not only that, a manager who the West ham fans wanted out, despite winning said trophy.

If we do get a reinvigorated Moyes, all well and good. But if we get the old, glass ceiling, Moyes, then we will have little to look forward to

Come back with something more constructive to say to back your opinions.

I was happy to see Moyes go to United, even though I thought that when he departed, he had left us a decent squad that was just a little bit short in numbers, otherwise I’m sure they would have qualified for the champions league on a couple of occasions.

He never had to win at Everton, which maybe meant he generally concentrated on trying to come seventh, rather than prioritising the cups on a more regular basis, which definitely (imo) would have been more befitting of a club like Everton, (club, not chairman) especially because he definitely had a team that was good enough to go and win the odd cup, (again imo)

Moyes looked like the cat who had just got the cream, when he got the United job, and whilst every interview talked about how Sir Alex, had invited him to his house, I don’t think I read any interview that talked about the importance of winning trophies, because like you say, that should have been his only thought, with it being obvious to many observers that, even though they were champions, it did look like United were on the wane? (I’m hoping for similar for Slot, next season🤞)

Moyes definitely deserves next season now, but casting my mind back to earlier in the season, we relinquished two goal leads in consecutive games, and we nearly threw a three goal lead away, when Moyes got his first victory, and this makes me realise football, is sometimes more about the players.

Get your money out TFG, because most teams in England, seem to have lacked consistency this season, and a few good additions could really help a manager who knows how to beat certain teams in the EPL?

I hope that there is a plan in place by TFG that will lead us to a great group of entertaining players, who will bring success to the club. I have no problem with Moyes being in charge, as long as he realises that it’s a results game and mediocrity may not be good enough.

In terms of who remains amongst the players that are currently in the squad, I think that there are seven or eight players to retain, some will be released and we will obviously recruit. Let’s hope we get our targets, have a good balanced squad and make progress in the league.

The barrel was well and truly scraped when Bill Fairfield (29) erm “commented” that some of us want Moyes to fail because we “dislike …the man”.

Is that it? Is that how intelligent it gets?

Who did you have in mind BF? Can you point to the posts that you believe validate your position/ post?

If you do not do this, then some could be forgiven for thinking that your post was absolute bollocks based on what: your prejudices, hyperbole, inability to read other posts with enough care to understand their meaning, pro-Moyes suspension of critical faculties?