Kalvin Phillips rumour resurfaces

If he can get back to where he was then I have absolutely no issues with this signing, he was a top drawer player.

I am ready to back him.

It would seem to be a pity for us to revive the old and sadly failed model of bringing in older players who have seen better days, but now seem to be sliding into the doldrums of football.

According to Transfermarkt, his value has halved since he secured that £42M move to Man City back in July 2022. He seems to me like Dele Mk 2 on steroids.

He needs some massive motivation and I just don't see PE Teacher Sean Dyche being the man to whip him into any meaningful shape, even through his notorious Gaffer's Days, which he has probably now missed anyway.

I hope we don't do this.

I think, with Dele, we already have one player who we hope will find his old form.

I think one is enough.

I agree with you, Andy.

I too hope Dele can rediscover his lover for football. He has too much ability for it to be thrown away.

This is a player who, for whatever reason, couldn't cut it with Moyes at West Ham.

There's no reason he should cut it at Goodison under a similar type of manager.

Thanks but no thanks!

Everton have carried enough baggage over the years and only in recent times have they been able to move them on. They all cost a fortune.

I'm on the No side for both Alli and Phillips.

He left Leeds for what he thought would be the bigtime at Man City but, for whatever reason, he couldn't cut it. Maybe too much pressure and competition for his position. So, if Pep and Moyes couldn't get a tune out of him, it's hard to see how Dyche will.

He would be a big risk at £150k per week so I would expect City to either pay at least 50% of his salary during the loan period or waive any loan fee. If City want him off their books, and to give him a chance to revitalise his career at another club, then they have to help grease the wheels.

Joel Matip is also being mentioned, which goes along with Dyche saying he needs more experience.

Another one is an Italian club wanting Beto, which is something that must also be considered, so maybe there's quite a few comings and going's still to happen this summer?

No, just no. And as usual, we need goalscoring strikers.

That should always be priority but, for some reason, at Everton it never is.

Tony, sounds like we're going to have a Moyes summer.

Glued to the box until midnight and then waking up the next morning to find out what's happened!

If the finances are right then we will make an approach, we need an additional midfield player and Phillips has to end up somewhere.

I would like to think at 28 he still retains ability and his tenaciousness in the tackle.

If Sean and his crew can't get him fit (a previous issue with Pep) then no one will.

Allied to his friendship with Jack Harrison which hopefully will spur him on, he will feel in a great place to make a new start.

I believe he will be an Everton player very soon.

Danny, we may wake up to the news that we have finally beaton off competition signed Lee Trundle.

This would be a disaster for Everton.
If this guy cannot make it with great team like City then he won'help the Blues much and besides he is no better than Garner.

He was over-rated at Leeds and somehow the idiot manager picked him for England.

Apparently he earns a fortune at City so surely Everton won't pay his wages even if he comes on loan.

Possibly echoes of Fabian Delph?

What worries me is that he was tried at West Ham and failed by all accounts. Now a year on and Man City still want to offload — do they know something we may regret, with another drain on the wage bill!

It's simply not true that our club has not tried to find a solution to our goal scoring problems.

Vlasic, Tosun, Walcott, Richalison, Klaassen, Kean, Iwobi, King, Maupay Chermiti and Beto have cost well over £300m - wages included

Take Richarlison out the equation and Calvert-Lewin has comfortably scored more than the rest of them put together. Yet still we have people saying "We just need to sign a top forward" What, on our budget? As if it was that simple?.. Why not sign "a pacey winger with an eye for goal" while we are at it?

Top marksmen are not coming here in the foreseeable future.

Unlike Deli Alli, and "I've-already-made-it" Holgate, Kalvin Phillips has not been stumbling around in the football wilderness for many years. It's only 2 years — including a serious shoulder injury — since Pep Guardiola instructed Man City to part with £42M for him.

Get him signed, for fuck's sake.

Sounds like Kalvin Phillips might as well hang his boots up, as apparently he won't make it anywhere.

Amazed how quickly people are writing him off.

Some say he's overrated... maybe, relative to what City paid, but he was an excellent player at Leeds and England. One of our best players at the last Euros.

Did he really get a chance at City? There's definitely a question mark over fitness, but otherwise I'd be very happy to have him.

I think his time at West Ham went downhill about two minutes into his debut, think it was against Brentford (?) when he gave a bad back pass from which they scored. After about his third or fourth game he was sent off, and the fans started slowly turning against him. I guess his confidence would have been shot after that.

In total, he played eight Premier League games, and two EFL Cup games for West Ham. There is no reason at all why he cannot be the player that convinced Pep to splash out £42M for him. A loan deal is fine by me, with Man City paying a fair portion of his wages, after all, they can easily afford it.

Old pineapple head rears his over-rated, over-paid, under-performing, useless body again. I can't believe that people on here want him at Everton. It dosn't make sense.

Moyes left him out of the first-team squad when his coaches told him about his shocking attitude in training. He must be the luckiest footballer in the last 20 years to have won by default his medals.

If he comes to us I hope he's sent off in his first game, that's how much I rate him. I would rather have Tom Davis back, at least he's an Evertonian.

If he signs, check Sean Dyche's bank account… People on here wanting him, give your heads a very big wobble.

For some reason, I've changed my mind!

Get him signed!!!

HaHaHaHaHa

Andy, change it again please!😀

Oh great, he's a midfielder no longer:

The 28-year-old has impressed during Manchester City's pre-season tour of the United States this summer, featuring as an unorthodox centre-back during recent friendly fixtures against both FC Barcelona and Chelsea.

The defender in Sean Dyche is gonna be all over this!

Babbling bungling jibbering free,
The Wobblies of ToffeeWeb, why can't they see,
That Pineapple Phillips of City for free,
Just doesn't make any old sense to me.

Babbling bungling jibbering free,
The Wobblies of ToffeeWeb wobbling free,
The Wobblies of ToffeeWeb wobble for me.

You okay, PK??

Mark, just putting a lighter look on all this bullshit Captain Phillips crap.

In fact, I would rather have Captain Mark Phillips than Pineapple.

I would rather have 51-year-old Kevin Phillips.

It's goals we need, not another defensive shield.

Mark @ 25 " You ok PK?? "

He is suffering from a COMMON Complaint ! :-)

I would prefer another forward regardless of Calvert-Lewin staying or going. Fofana is a decent option from Chelsea, surely?

Yes, to Philips on loan if Man City are to pay half his wages; otherwise, no thanks.

Given we are not exactly flush with cash, we will invariably be associated with cast-offs, not the next big thing.

There was once a player in Phillips who was at least as good as anything we currently have in midfield. The key is managing risk; as others have said, no way at £150k a week; a 'maybe' at half that. That would cost Man City about £3.5M which seems like a worthwhile punt on trying to recover at least some of his original transfer fee.

The other aspect is judging his fitness and attitude but we have experienced people who should be capable of evaluating that. On attitude, unless he has mentally retired, I'd say this is the last-chance saloon for him and we need to be sure he understands that and will react positively.

If even half of what is said on here were true, then Man City would have to pay more than half his wages. And Everton need to have the option to terminate the loan in the January window.

Imagine Calvert-Lewin's attitude if we were to pay his full wages.

I think we do need another central midfielder who can play defensive midfield. My preference is somebody on the ascendancy rather than someone who's been lost for 2 years on big wages. Think Brighton signing Caicedo rather than Van der Beek.

Gana and Doucoure will miss games from injuries, Garner is a little lightweight to last a season — whilst it's a big ask to expect Tim Iroegbunam to play a full season at the top level untested. That leaves us one injury away from having a big gap in our play.

Feels like lazy scouting to me. We are signing the player from West Ham — not Leeds.

I'll leave it to Dyche to decide if he's worth the risk.

My head is saying steer clear.

This player will be another fossil in the Everton set-up.

Haven't we had enough of those already???

Come on, guys — get real!!!

Sometimes players just don't work at certain clubs. Phillips would fit in well for us and would provide the defensive midfield stability alongside Gana for us to be more attacking. If we sign him, then give him a chance! He would be better than Garner and Onana for us.

Cole Palmer didn't get a look-in for Man City and he took the initiative to sign for Chelsea and look at him now. If he'd have stayed, he would have got limited chances, missed out on the Euros etc. Just because someone doesn't make it at another club doesn't mean we should rule them out.

Pienaar never worked at Spurs; Richarlison is not having that great a time either.

In my viewings of him, Phillips dwells on the ball way too much to be useful to the way the manager appears to want the team to play. He hesitates and goes in circles when we are set up to get it forward quick.

He plays short passes when the team is set out to play longer and more direct passes. He is often the main target of the quick press and gives up possession deep in his own half.

A good loan for a team that will suit his style of play but I don't think he fits the way Dyche wants to play.

Hiccups, Ray?

Despite the well reasons tactical / skills critique from Paul "Pep" Kossoff, I am going to stick my guns and say I think Phillips would be a sensible signing — at the right price.

My guess is a loan option to buy (and we pay a fairly manageable share of his wages). Or Man City let him go for about £10M and he accepts lower wages from us.

Hunts the ball well, much better range of passing than Gueye — he just lost his way at Man City. Despite that, he has been excellent for England and, if he's prepared to work hard, will find it much easier to shine in a straightforward Dyche set-up alongside Garner or Iroegbunam in midfield.

Also, and this is important, he's an experienced player in a team that needs leaders.

Robert #42, agree. Price is everything, but I think he'd have the potential to be a real difference-maker in the middle.

Gana's turning 35 and Tim Iroegbunam has one start in the Premier League. Phillips could support the former and maybe mentor the latter.

And am I the only one who thinks that, when Garner returns from that injury he's going to have a tough time getting back into the starting 11?

If we can offload some of the remaining deadwood, Maupay, Keane, Holgate, we might be in a position to take a couple on loan. With no investors on the horizon, we're going to need funds to keep the lights on for who knows how long?

Calvert-Lewin and Beto could well be sold to build up our financial reserves. Likewise, Branthwaite, if the situation doesn't improve soon. The situation is always worse than we're told, for understandable reasons.

As a lesser poster, I demand to know what this jibber-jabberwocky Paul Kossoff 24 wrote is all about.

How can you put him in the same category as Dele Alli? — He hasn't played since February 2023?

I believe he'd be a brilliant signing, he's still only 28, and for some to say why hasn't he got into the City side, one big problem: Rodri!

I don't mind his short time at West Ham. He would give us a huge physical advantage in midfield, with Gueye coming to the end of a great career.

This is only going to happen if Man City pay a large proportion of his wages. We just won't pay his £150k weekly salary. This guy is in the same mould as Gana and so will be breaking up attacks and hopefully turning play over.

I remember we brought in Peter Reid who was not at the beginning of his career and fulfilled a similar role. I cannot remember at the time if we thought he was the greatest thing since pop-up Kleenex but what a star he turned out to be.

There is no disputing there is a decent footballer waiting to be reborn. It really boils down to whether Phillips wants it or not. I think it is worth a punt.

A 100% yes as far as I'm concerned, quality footballer.

We are massively lacking in centre-midfield and Gana, for all of his quality, has started picking up niggles which is no surprise at his age. I do like the look of Tim Iroegbunam but he's very young and will need a bit of time in and out of the team. Garner is already injured, Doucouré also consistently picking up injuries now so Phillips is a no-brainer.

His game will be quite simplified under Dyche so that will give him time to firstly, just get his confidence back by running around and sticking a few tackles in and then in time, he can start getting on the ball a bit more and show his real quality.

We'd only be paying half his wages which are still big, granted, but in our financial state, the lack of a big fee suits us and makes it less of a risk. Gareth Barry Mk 2. I think we should be excited by it, not fearful!

As usual a lot of nonsense and some good points on here.
Is he the answer for our midfield "dunno" Do we need this type of player? absolutely.

If we have learnt anything, it would be avoiding players at this sort of wages.

We can fill 2 -3 players with this kind of wages.

We won't be paying all of his wages. Nowhere near. Probably 50% tops

Really good player if we get the Leeds version, not sure I'd risk the wages even if city do pay half, I'd rather go for Richardson, think we should be ok this season but if we could get a few players with potential prem ready for next season id be made up

I know it's not Phillips or Alli but to me Phillips has a decent chance of making a positive impact, unlike Alli,

Dale @45, I believe it's a rewrite of The Wombles theme song, an early 70s tv show about the original (if imaginary) recyclers. The show was popular enough that The Wombles continued as a band, including one Chris Spedding of Sex Pistols, Nucleus, and Bryan Ferry fame. I'd recommend getting good and high before watching:

https://youtu.be/XWQMMPFtoG4?feature=shared

Well gee Neil, what gave you the idea that I might do such a thing. ;)

Just when you think it has gone batty, TW opens a door. Thanks Neil and Paul.

Speaking of rumours resurfacing, I notice that the Branthwaite to Man Utd rumour has reared its ugly head again.

Apparently the fact that Man Utd have spent £100 million on two centre-backs hasn't put the rumour mongers off at all. They are like a dog with a bone. They just won't let it go.

According to them another bid that Ratcliffe expects to be accepted will be made this week. Supposedly this one will be £60 million plus add-ons. Looks like we'll have to wait and see.

Yes, I have heard that it is £65M plus add-ons, 2 of which are £10M for 3 England caps and £10M for being England captain.

Phone call already made from Finch Farm to Super Lee Carsley about his next squad.

Phil #57.

Where did you hear those details, Phil?

For once we need to grow a pair of bollux and state to Man Utd: £80M upfront or jog on!! Alternatively, £70M plus Wan-Bissaka.

I'm fed up with all the negativity around us being held over a financial barrel due to Kenwright shite: "Oh, What would Everton do!!!”

I see its being reported that Everton are favourites to sign Kalvin Phillips. I would imagine this would be a loan deal. But I don't see the benefit.

He went on loan to West Ham and was usually subbed before the end, and I imagine his wages will be in excess of £100k per week.

We have just paid another player over £100k per week to never start a game in 2 seasons, seems we never learn lessons.

I think Guardiola played him at centre-back in a friendly and, when asked why, he said Phillips was better when he could see everything in front of him, which is quite damming for a central midfield player.

At present, we have an owner who doesn't want to put any more money into the club, we may still have to go before a tribunal over outstanding PSR issues, and the club need money to finish the stadium.

While the court case in New York is still ongoing with 777 Partners, it looks as if a new owner won't take over till this case is settled, which could be months, and we may need a cash injection by November according to some analysts.

Is anyone else underwhelmed by the thought of Kalvin Phillips playing for us?

Andrew,

Don't worry, Kalvin Phillips is going to Ipswich on loan. Confirmed on the BBC this morning.

Also confirmed by SSN.

Philips to join Ipswich on loan.

A number of clubs, including Fulham, were interested in signing Phillips but Ipswich appear to have won the chase, with the deal expected to be completed by Friday morning.

Thank God we aren't getting him, fraud of a player. About as useful in the team as a certain fruit that I can't remember the name of. 🌴?🍍?
No, it's gone.

That is fantastic news.

A player I just don't like (aka 'hate' in current TW parlance). The thought of him in an Everton shirt...

Thankfully not gonna happen.

Michael #65

What's your beef with Phillips?

He was good at Leeds.

I would have liked Phillips at Everton on a season loan — he has class, regardless of how his career has been since he went to City.

Something we severely lack in midfield is a classy ball-playing midfielder who can tackle.

Micheal, 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

When it comes to meat, me and Pep see pretty much eye to eye.

I think getting kicked to the kerb by the maestro at City trumps anything you might remember of him at Elland Road, Ben.

Next, you'll be telling me there's this awsome midfield player who was fantastic for Spurs some years ago… we're still waiting.

James 67.

"He has class, regardless of how his career has been since he went to City. Something we severely lack in midfield is a classy ball playing midfielder who can tackle."

He can't tackle, he is not a classy midfield player, he's not good at anything you would want in the team. Who have you been looking at? It's certainly not pineapple Pete.

Pep definitely wasted a lot of money on his choice of meat the day he got City to sign Phillips. He took him in and then found out he was a limited footballer, in the sense of probably not having enough overall awareness to play in the middle of the park, for a team that are constantly recycling the ball. But that doesn't mean he his a bad player, so it will be interesting to see how he does this season at Ipswich.

Whatever happens, I hope that Phillips has a great game on Saturday, and hopefully scores the winner. I think he is a sensible signing for Ipswich. When I watched them play live last season, I thought they were a decent football team but definitely think they need a lot more physical strength and aggression if they are to avoid relegation this season.

OK yes, Kalvin Phillips is shit.

And these conversations are why I don't use social media.

Opinions just get shouted down by people who have an innate need to be right.

Off to Ipswich on loan.

IMO we've dodged a bullet. There's a player in there but he's been out/crap for the last two seasons. Good luck to him at Ipswich but we don't need another risky player.

Happy to see him going to Ipswich, he will help their relegation efforts. I think we've dodged a bullet here.

To me, something stinks about his attitude, way too superstar-entitled to put in a shift for Dyche. He gives the impression he's carrying a good few pounds extra, maybe a bit too keen on the ale?

Hopefully we will sign a good young midfielder now. The rule for signings should be up to 27 years old and no older.

A young team full of energy and pace is a must. Kalvin Phillips lost his mojo at City so I am glad Ipswich are singing him.

Next up Ugochukwu of Chelsea...

Oddly, after the very unlikely links to Vitor Roque of Barcelona — we now seem to be linked to Moukouko of Dortmund. Two short arse wunderkind strikers who have lost their way a bit.

I'd be very surprised but who knows?

I'm on the fence with this one, he did look a risky loan but, on the other hand, City must have seen a top player to sign him.

We will see.

I wouldn't question Pep's judgement. Sorry to use a former red, but didn't he use the relatively small Mascherano as a centre-back / sweeper at Barcelona quite effectively who had originally been a midfielder?

On Phillips, I don't know enough about him, so can't comment. Then again, I could say that about a few “eyebrow raisers” over the years. Sounds like this one isn't happening anyway, so let's wait and see what else we do.

Keep Branthwaite.

I believe he would have been a great signing for us, it didn't work out at City with the irreplaceable Rodri ahead of him. Gueye is 33 and Phillips 28 could fill in there.

Someone said he can't tackle, that's his strong point, he played for England beside Rice, he was the better player.

He would have made our midfield a lot stronger, and there's no way Ipswich are paying most of his wages, disappointed.

Kalvin Philips supposedly now going Ipswich. They're covering his wages in full.

I think we need a No 6, but not him for me.

Well I'm glad he's not coming to us with Man City wanting all, or very near all, his wages paid by the borrowing club!

Too rich for us and good to see the club seem to be making sensible commercial decisions.

Going to Ipswich says all we need to know about the risk - reward balance of this one.

On that basis alone I'm glad he didn't end up here.

Danny #81,

It was down to Kieran McKenna, who is a brilliant young manager, who turned down a Chelsea approach, he was impressed with him.

His last productive season was 2020-21.

When a player's form has declined over 3 seasons, it is very hard to recover.

Christy 83, the wage demands (specifically the proportion of his wages we'd be expected to cover) was more than likely the deciding factor in my opinion.

I reckon he'll be off to Scotland not long after this stint.

Listening to Sean Dyche. it seems we were not in for Phillips at any point — although he did admit we needed more reinforcement in midfield.