Moyes confirms Everton need to sign “9 or 10 players”

Kinnear and Hammond need to up their game.

Not sure if Liam’s interpretation is correct, but I guess we’ll know in a few weeks time. Will be interesting to watch DM’s first press conference after the window closes.

Moyes is not stupid so he is taking a strategic risk by coming out with this. He must be trying to apply pressure on the owners, so he is unhappy with progress and the resources to replenish a very small squad.

The coming weeks are going to be massively important as the tournament will tell us were we are compared to 3 other Premier league clubs, and now Moyes has come out and suggested how many signings he wants what happens if we only get 2 or 3 signings.

This is the second time he's called out TFG. He did so at final Goodison game, too. Moyes is speaking to TFG in their own country saying, "I need 9-10 players to do my job… been 'really good support [or with supporting me so far]."

He's telling them, can't make promises to the fans, by implying it's beyond his control and beyond recruitment staff hands. He's also saying it's been hard to get "really good players" in so far.

Moyes is saying he wants to promise the fans he can get 9-10 really good players and he needs this for the season ahead.

He's also saying to TFG, you need to work hard not just with your money, using your connections, not just wasting time trying to save money, a few mill here there, Moyes is saying, could leave us in a mess.

He's saying he needs action now and get them in the next few weeks, ie, at least some time to allow for building patterns of play and fitness, for the new season.

No reason that we shouldn't be able to get another 6 in though.

Unlike him to be quite so strident with his expectations, but it is very welcome.

The quiet has been frustrating. I know it’s hard but did think we’d have another one or two in this week. Impossible (without being an insider) to know the reasons why but I hope next week is busier.

I just hope he's communicating this to the board regularly rather than waiting to broadcast it in the media. Not that there's anything wrong with him coming out and saying it, but unless he's got a close relationship, it could be a risky strategy for him.

I don't think anyone will slag you off Sean, but you are maybe a bit harsh. They have backed over £40m in the 3 signings to date. Yes we can point to savings in released players, but new players and future additions will need wages. And we have renewed contracts as well.

There has also been a lot of off pitch activity, but right now all we are concerned, impatient and frustrated about is what is added to the squad.

Maybe Moyes, kinnear and the owners are in agreement about what we need and there is loads of working going on in the background to make it happen.

I read today that two thirds of the money spent this window had been spent by four or five clubs. The usual suspects.

The rest have to wait but will doubtless all be working hard in the background to make things happen. Most the players we are linked with are almost certainly not and never have been targets.

I know it’s boring but surely the only time you can judge the efficacy of a transfer window is at the end?

9m

Hopefully another one ticked off the list

And Angus Kinnear was born in Luton, not Yorkshire, not that it should matter where anyone is from.

I would be delighted if we signed 3 quality players as definite starters in the right back, right midfield and creative central midfield positions and use the loan market to add squad depth with both wing positions, left back and at a push another central midfielder.

I had hoped that we would have 16 or 17 outfield players by the end of the window that we could trust with the likes of Coleman, Keane, Patterson, Armstrong and Chermiti filling in where necessary or in the latter players cases where improvement had dictated.

If we are to sign 9 without the majority coming from loans and frees I would worry that the quality we need such as the likes of Luiz,McAtee, Dibling and Mukiele would be severely sacrificed.

Right Back, 2 x Right Winger / Right Midfield, Left Back, Centre Midfielder, Defensive Midfielder, 3rd striker and 3rd Goalkeeper.

If we get the Bayern Munich left back that’s 4 signings we’ve made with no selling of anyone.

Bit rough on Morrissey!

Another goalie ? Umm.. we have Pickford, Travers and Tyrer. Okay, let us say Tyrer will get loaned out - so 1 more experienced GK on a free maybe?

Centre backs - we are well covered, I don’t think any additions there.

Full backs - 1 RB and 1 LB

Defensive midfield - Garner, Gueye, Iroegbunam - I don’t see the need unless Iroegbunam were to be sent out on loan, and we can get someone like Mangala coming in.

Attacking midfield - okay - 1 addition probably, if Armstrong is going out on loan

Forwards - 1 RW definitely and 1 LW perhaps

Strikers - I don’t think we need any signings here with Beto, Barry, Chermiti

So, my point is that I am struggling to see the need for more than 7 signings if we loan out 3 players. How did he come up with 9-10 more signings? And what message does it convey to the players already with us? As others have mentioned, I hope we prioritise quality over quantity. 3 good signings, for example - Kubo, Luiz, Rensch, and a couple of loan signings for left back and defensive midfield would be a good transfer window, in my opinion. Rome was not built in a day, etc.

On numbers, I can only assume he is aiming high, knowing will get something in-between.

And that he is talking on top of the 3 already signed.12 or 13 new players in one window is unrealistic. Maybe he doesn't mean that?

Another one hopefully incoming

4 in if Aznou signs.

5/6 to go: 3 buys 3 loans, McAtee one of the buys, I hope.

Hopefully, that the club is getting serious and they better be prepared to fight for the honour of representing it.

So much for Moyes only liking older players. (What a load of nonsense that accusation is!)

Now he says he wants 10 players out of a budget of £150M to £200M, having bought Barry £27M, Alcaraz £12.6M and Travers £4M, it means he now has approx. £105M to £155M left. That means 8 players average cost £12M- £20M. Let's put that into perspective: Maupay cost about £13-15M where as Ndiaye cost near £20M.

Liverpool, Chelsea and we, have in the past, paid extras after certain conditions have been met. Liverpool have committed to pay extra for Ekitike £9M and Wirtz £16M meanwhile we are messing around for £9M over Luiz and probably similar for Kubo. We messed around when buying Luis Diaz and Liverpool came in and bought him; he has scored 41 goals and 23 assists and they will sell him for a profit this year.

Always buy quality, not cheap – we not the 'Trotters'.

The longer we go on without buying players, the more likely Moyes will say yes to players he would never normally buy because now he is in a quandary. We only lost Doucouré (3 goals), Calvert-Lewin (3 goals), Young (1 goal), Lindstrom (0 goals) and Harrison (1 goal) — the rest were very rarely played. Together, they scored 8 goals with a conversion rate less than 5%. Why then do we need 10 extra players and not 5 quality players?

While Liverpool go to Asia and allow their new signings to bed in and become part of the team, we go to the USA missing at least 4 new players.

I once heard some great advice from a University lecturer. He said most students think that University courses only really start after Christmas. So the students concentrate on having a great time and not studying. But they don't, he said, "We only have 40 hours in a year to teach a subject; University starts on the first day of term."

It is the same in football: we only have 38 games. The Premier League starts on Day One — that should not be the first day that the team should play together or play decent opponents.

The owners should now be looking at the German market for managers who are succeeding with very poor budgets. Like Klopp and Slot did before Liverpool bought them.

Moyes — your purchasing strategy, management and coaching is 10 years out of date.

I used to use Jay Wood (Brazil) as a marker for my need for concern; he was always calm and assured. Now it's you!!!

I think Moyes is gone by January. He had the opportunity to buy Ekitike for £27M and chose the cheaper Alcaraz for £13M.

Where on earth did you hear this?

So apologies to Moyes on that issue,

However I stand by the rest. Also if we end up buying Grealish at 200K+ p/w then I think it will be the greatest insult to all Everton fans.

That’s the problem with these sites. They throw out a million rumours and hope one sticks. Meanwhile fans rage at the club for things that never happened.

It looks like Adam Anzou is a goer. Terms agreed between Everton and Bayern Munich for the 19 year old Moroccan left back and he's cleared for a medical.

And Fabrizio Romano now reporting on X that we are in advanced talks with Lyon for the Belgian winger Malik Fofana.

Business still going on despite being on the US tour.

I read that as everyone being on the same page. I don’t see that as a challenge to the owners at all. I see it as Moyes reassuring everyone that they are on it.

We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes and as someone else posted ‘buying players isn’t as easy as buying Christmas presents’, it’s true it can take time, apologies can’t remember who said that and can’t be arsed looking it up.

There is absolutely no reason why we can’t get 6 deals at least over the line before the end of the window.

Aznou is probably a backup, but one with real potential, and Fofana is a great player already. Fingers crossed.

Angus Kinnear Interview

Banging on about the excitement of the US market, the thrill of meeting Dan Meis, and how he's been putting in the Hill Dickinson logos everywhere. And how proud he is of the calibre of people who've chosen to leave clubs like Man Utd and Man City. (Ooh, they've left them big clubs for little old us, have they, Angus?)

Hhe doesn't mention the dizzying promotions he's given them all, with their Chief Scout now being our Head of Football.

[What infuriates me is that he (rather than Moyes) has been the person to appoint these key people to football positions, when he's been with Leeds in the Championship the whole time. On what grounds would he know his arse from his elbow on footballing matters?]

And he finishes with 'I've always said you have to judge us in September'… well, the clock's ticking.

Aznou didn't do anything at the worst club in the Spanish top flight.

Nice to see we're improving the left back position.

For years we have bemoaned our lack of commercial reach into other markets, which can lead to players. I don't think we made enough of it when we have had American players in the past.

I'll give you the comment on the Manchester clubs, cut apart from that, I didn't see a lot wrong in what he said to be honest.

and it's not lost on me that there are three PL games taking place over there. On its own its harmless. but it feels like a pattern is developing. Do you know how many PL clubs are now American owned?

And what is going to happen when they reach that critical majority they need to make alterations to the PL? Like abolishing relegation, or having a few games in the US? We won't be able to do a thing about it, and by that point most of the income will be global based, so if the fans don't like it they can swivel.

But then there are a few part US and part somewhere else owned.

Villa; Indian and US

Fulham: Pakistan and US

Wolves is an interesting one. Not US, but Chinese owned.

There are only 3 owned exclusively by English owners. Brentford, Brighton and Tottenham. You could throw West Ham into that, but it's 3-way owned by English, Welsh and Czech owners.

No surprise that 3 of the 4 clubs, ourselves included, are US owned.

How any US tours do we need to have, in order to to increase our profile over there?

And how many have we had these past 30-odd years?

Here's another stumper: How many times are Everton matches shown live each season in the USA, and how many more is that than in the UK?

As for televised matches, I'd have to pass. I visit the US a fair bit, and if during the season, I've never had a problem being able to watch and Everton match.

Would it be similar to the UK, with. NBC being Sky's US partner? Unless others show the Premier League.

As opposed to the last guy who joined with an announcement timed to protect the then owners for selling Gordon and not signing anyone.

Michael, I would suggest previous US tours failed to raise our profile much because there was no followup -- no marketing, no gear deals, nothing. The Men in Blazers show has been our only consistent PR generator in the States in recent years. I would expect TFG to do better. Much better.

Kevin, thanks for the laugh -- the idea that TFG should have allowed Moyes to hire our new club executive team was a beauty.

If you've never run a business, you get riled by wild Internet speculation. You shout 'DO SOMETHING' till you're blue in the race.

When you run a sustainabke business, you stay level-headed, you wait for opportunities and quickly learn the good decisions are usually better than quick ones.

We made plenty of quick decisions eight years ago. This approach will serve us better.

Back to Michael's questions and your, yes, we never really invested or followed up.

This time there has been a lot more effort thrown at the marketing. Combined with it being sponsored by the Premier League, I presume that the clubs will receive money for participating?

“Work continues very much behind the scenes to bring in new names before the window.

“I know that supporters will… always get frustrated by the speed of business in a transfer window. Everybody would like to do the business earlier and we would have done… we would have ideally liked to get the business done early so that the team can integrate and train together. But it’s more important that we get the right players. That’s why the market tends toward the back end and that’s when the majority of business gets done. I think we’re well on track, we’re pleased with the business we’ve done before, I think the process is solid, and I think we’ve created a structure where we’re not gonna make mistakes in the transfer market, which is key.

“We’ve always said we want to be judged on September the 2nd… I’m sure that by that date we’ll be in a really good position and we’ll have a team and a squad that will really excite the fans."

He's certainly saying what we want to hear. Let's hope he and Nick Hammond and Moyes can execute on it.

My favorite line is the one about not making mistakes in the window.

I'd rather we spent that money on Kubo.

If we sign both I'll need oxygen, a lie down in a darkened room & a nurse!

Our director of transfer negotiation, Nick Hammond, had a 15-year injury-hampered career as a professional footballer (keeper). Actually played a few games in the Premier League with Swindon.

Our incoming director of scouting and recruitment, James Smith, worked at Everton with Moyes for ten years and is deeply trusted by the manager.

Our incoming technical director, Nick Cox, brought 38 players through Manchester United's academy into their first team, 29 of those in just the last three years.

Tell me again why you think these guys are unqualified?

Aznou is unlikely to be expensive. Seems exactly the right profile of player to buy. High potential, relatively low cost, able to takeover the First XI spot and keep that spot for 5 to 10 years or more.

Hopefully some of these deals get sorted in the next week and everyone can begin to feel more optimistic.

No signings is disappointing.

Bad signings are crippling.

The new structure as good as it is on paper hasn't delivered thus far. But it's not just us who are struggling to get players in. Even the toon backed by Saudi billions and with champions league football can't get players in.

Fofana is a young lad who Moyes may see as a player he can use in multiple positions. And hopefully we’re loving away from ‘we’ve got a decent right winger we need to spend our money on a left winger….’ And going towards building a squad.

It depends on the new structure. By mid-next week, we could be up to 5 new signings plus the new contract to retain Branthwaite.

If I had my way, the transfer window would finish before the season starts. It doesn't, so the bulk of recruitment will happen closer to the deadline, as all parties will play brinkmanship.

When we're regularly in Europe and winning trophies, I'll expect early business. Until then, it's land the odd target and fashion your seat belts for the deadline.

I take it he means 9-10 on top of those?

Moyes is part of the Transfer team. He is also Manager of the existing players.Not Great for teamwork and player moral.

Moyes was always going to struggle with so many changes and developing a young team.It is questionable whether he has the ability to do so. Where are the one or two key position players to put gloss on his work and effort formula? never mind 10 players., a replacement team of outfield players.

Looks like you are going to have to get down to get results, Davy boy..

What is actually going on.

Michael,

You asked earlier how many Everton matches are shown live in the USA? Almost every one of them either on NBC or on it's sister station Peacock. I don't think I've seen a weekend where Everton weren't shown live.

You could easily see 4 or 5 permanent signings, some loans and a couple of lads to bring in and loan out or put in u18s/u23s.

Some absolute nonsense posted on here. Tfg, the ceo and Moyes are clearly fully aligned in what the club needed. The comments of needing thewell, Moyes being gone by Christmas or that he's putting pressure on tfg are quite frankly fucking embarrassing. And are the comments that tfg arent putting money up.

The club at long last seems to be getting it's act together. Prper structures are being put in, with proper recruitment. Bloody enjoy it. If it goes pear shaped in the future, fair enough, then bleet.

I would be very surprised if we get this amount in this window.

Someone commented that they think the Friedkins have long arms and short pockets, but they have a very good record in providing funds at Roma, sometimes to their detriment with PSR type fines.

I think that was the point MK was making (about more televised matches in US than UK).

I couldn't agree with you more about closing the window before the first round of the season. Seems just stupid what we have been and are continuing to do with games having already been played.

Talk about preparing for the new season with one hand tied behind your back. We have zero cover in defence and midfield.

Dynamic, quick, skilful, brave — he will get us out of seats and up the pitch!

Someone have a go.

I will be happy if we sign another 4:-

Right-back
Right-winger
Left-winger
Tall centre-mid

1. a promising young left-back
2. a centre-midfielder of reasonable experience
3. a right-back
4. a quality wing-forward

And possibly in addition:

5. another wing-forward / cover
6. another right-back
7. more experienced cover in centre-midfielder

As it happens, I don't think we'll sign McAtee, Fofana or Luiz.

We used to be able to sign quality even if it was only occasional. That seems buried for the time being.

"No shit Sherlock"
Yoda simply stated "No shit it is."
Captain Bleedin' Obvious aboard Starship "Seasons Soon" was busy readying to abandon hope after cabin boy Davey dropped this unexpected bombshell. All he could say was "Who knew?"

Whilst the owners simply utilised Chapter 10 from their Victorian book of English Niceties, in reply to the critique "Rich people Should Not be Seen and Not Heard".

So it's business as usual: nothing new.

I thought his original statement was clear enough, anyway, but Moyes has now clarified it to say we needed 9 or 10 but, with the 3 we've already signed, it's now 5 or 6.

Wouldn’t it be 6 or 7 rather than 5 or 6?

You're picking nits...

It's a difficult situation trying to sell our club to them due to the poor league performances over the past years.

Let's hope the fact that we have new owners, a new stadium, a big new project and fantastic fans will encourage a few to sign. It's going to be a long hard process though.

Our problem is not European football (or lack of it); it's our inability to compete on wages with 8 other Premier League clubs, clubs in Saudi, and a handful around Europe.

“We're a long way away just now. I would have hoped it would have been much further down the line than we are. I would hope by the time we get to the end of the window, we'd be closer to 10 (new players). So you can imagine the amount of work we've got to do.

“The club are trying really hard to get the players I want and I've found it really difficult because in my last few years (in his previous job at West Ham United), I've been involved in European competition. It's a bit easier when you're a club in Europe. You get a better chance of attracting a lot of players. We've been in for a lot of really good players. Unfortunately, a lot them have said no at the moment.”

Everton's challenge is heightened because there are nine Premier League teams in European competition this coming season. “We're up against it,” Moyes says. “If we're going for players, we're not going for bad players. Our attraction is maybe to some younger ones who are up and coming, or also those from lower leagues. In those cases, it is not a problem. But if you're trying to take players who have had European experience or playing at the top end, they're the ones where the ones we will find it harder to attract.

“We need them to want to come. They have to come and buy in a wee bit to what Everton have got, the culture here. There's a strong, hard-working ethic and we want to build on it and bring in more quality.”

There are several teams who have beaten us to players in the past, such as Brighton, Bournemouth, Southampton and Fulham, where it has not been because they have offered higher wages but because of our league position and the diabolical way the club was being run.

Hopefully any players we bring in will see the bigger picture of what we are trying to do and believe in the project and that is the reason they are joining us to hopefully get us back into Europe.

If they are just coming for the higher wages, then it's not the type of player we need.