Wolves vs Everton, Carabao Cup: Player Ratings - Rotations and scrappy performances lead to cup exit

The rest were abject that started that game.

We need to look for takers in January for Iroegbunam, McNeil and if any striker options come available, I'd look at getting either Beto or Barry moved on, sometimes you need to just cut your losses, Moyes did as much with Per Krøldrup.

We've got no pace on the flanks -- and I include fullbacks in that. Criminal that we failed to address those areas.

Ludicrous decision to change so many players for a team that allegedly has aspirations of winning a trophy.

For a manager who has been on the end of so many avoidable cup defeats... Let's do the Time Warp again!

Might as well forfeit our place to someone in the non league and give them a shot at it.

Everton for 30 years now have given up on the Cups, we have had one Cup Final in 30 years, how disgraceful is that? I ask you.

A club that's been ever present in the top flight and the loyal fans have had one Cup Final appearance in 30 years.

What a prat he is to dish that out to paying fans on his wages. His post-match comments will be pure bullshit.

West Ham is an important game. But if we don't win, I'd move Moyes upstairs and give the managerial role to Nuno Espírito Santo.

We need a younger manager with a different approach and tactics.

He was amateur hour. Failed to properly parry on the first goal and absolutely mucked the second. Stranded himself like a salmon on a beach.

Since we didn't loan out Tyrer for some reason, bring him in as #2 and pick up a new keeper in January.

Wolves were marginally better than us but were poor. We are known for conceding poor or soft goals. Is this the same Moyes who had a fantastic record in the second half of last season?

It was a perfect opportunity, an opponent with no confidence at all, a half-empty stadium packed mostly by the away following, and they've failed to impress.

I doubt we'll be seeing the likes of Barry, Iroegbunam or Charly in the starting line-up anytime soon.

The inclusion of Seamus Coleman... was what really, pure sentiment? This isn't a player who can perform at this standard anymore sadly for Seamus.

I also didn't get the McNeil selection. A player Moyes clearly doesn't want, has zero future plans for. I couldn't work out the logic in starting him and he looks like a player that's done at Everton.

Why throw this Cup? We haven't won a trophy for 30 years, we haven't got any European football, we don't have too many matches, it's just bizarre.

The feel good factor after moving to the new stadium, they should have been busting a gut in this cup and seeing if we could have gotten another home draw and gone really far.

Nothing changes at this club.

For the second match in a row, his tactics were dreadful. For a club who could realistically only go for a good cup run, that was an abysmal team selection and once again a total failure to go after teams until we go behind.

I will say it slowly in case he is reading... We are not good enough defensively to allow teams time and space to play in front of us.

Keane will ball watch, O'Brien is not a fullback, Tarkowski goes missing too often, Coleman either plays or retires, he needs games or to be put out to grass. Mykolenko and Patterson on the bench?? And the keeper? Jesus.

With the talent we do have, we have to break teams down in midfield and move 30 yards up the pitch, hassle from the front in their area, and they will make mistakes. It's our only attribute.

Moyes's mentality is "Let's see how it goes and change it if we need to." Except he doesn't change it till it's too late. Let's see how it goes... it fails. (Knife to gunfight!)

Unless he changes, he can book an extra-long Christmas break.

People say Moyes should have started with certain players or replaced this player or that, but he has a squad not just a team and he has every right to expect every one of them to turn up and play professionally.

Not one of them did that last night, so each of them need to accept the responsibility for that as much as Moyes. A manager can only do so much.

Agree and disagree with those sentiments.

I wouldn't have changed the goalkeeper if I was Moyes and I wouldn't have been starting Coleman at all, certainly not at left back when Aznou is there.

I wouldn't have started McNeil either.

But yes, the likes of Barry, Alcaraz, Dibling needed to start, but they weren't exactly impressive.

Dibling is still 19 but, at £40M, you can fully understand there's a certain expectation from our fans to see something sooner rather than later.

Barry looks way way too lightweight at this level and looks very ponderous and quite slow.

It's easy to say our strikers don't get any service but good forwards get themselves involved in matches, you only need to look at Wolves' second goal, lad comes out of nowhere with a wonderful finish, hardly any service needed.

Hwang led the line for Wolves, hardly any service but at least he was capable of taking the ball down under control, killing some time for his team.

We've spent a combined £54M on two Bambi on Ice type forwards and have somehow lost 3 strikers -- regardless of the overall opinion on Calvert-Lewin, Broja and Chermiti -- and gone into this season with only 2 options.

Only Everton could run a business in this way.

Like others, I can't believe Moyes making those changes with the next game 6 days away.

Unfortunately we are still 3-4 transfer windows away from getting a team to get anywhere near a European spot.

You can have as many windows as you want but, if you don't address the biggest issues, then you carry on being the same.

We first identified the need to replace Coleman back in 2019 when we signed Sidibe on loan but, 6 years on, we still haven't come close to replacing him with an actual right-sided fullback.

We have needed pace in this side for about 7 years but we've never been able to find anyone consistently capable of providing it.

We've needed a proper centre-forward since Lukaku left in 2017, we've signed Moise Kean, Cenk Tosun, Sandro, Josh King, Broja, Chermiti, Beto, Barry...

That's how many chances in transfer windows we've had to rectify it.

Coleman, Iroegbunam, Barry, Alcaraz, McNeil were all way, way off the pace, and offered us precisely nothing. An absolute joke that we fall apart in the middle with no 36-year-old Gana.

Once again, a reserve keeper has come in, and played poorly for another cup exit. Poor save parried away into the danger zone, no left back to cover Keane. 1-0 and Wolves have offered nothing.

Players and selection cost us, against a side going nowhere.

Absolutely fuming -- and I feel sorry for the fans who travelled once again.

Piss poor Everton. I don't expect anything from Anfield, but I do expect some fight in a cup.

You can blame the squad, Jim, but we have the players to beat Wolves (as we did a few weeks ago). Moyes just didn't select them.

If the manager was serious about winning that cup, Ndiaye and Grealish start and the game plays out very differently as a result.

It is a case of Moyes prioritising finishing, say, 9th instead of, say, 11th in a season where we are not going to get relegated or make the Europa League places. Pointless.

You probably wouldn't want to rush Mykolenko into two games in the space of a few days. But if your approach to the Carabao Cup is to give the squad a run out, then why would it be Coleman instead of Patterson out of position or Aznou in position?

As it is, we're out of the competition and there are two players on the bench who are no closer to actually providing bench strength. The player who got a run is the one who won't be risked in the Premier League anyway.

Momentum is a good thing in football. I think we lost a lot of it last night. Any talk of taking the cups seriously is just garbage in my opinion after that performance.

Wholesale changes made, a 36-year-old right back starting in his place and then a half-fit Mykolenko coming on as a sub.

Again, how much did we play for Aznou?

Another player that we have spent some money on, the cash could have been put towards a player who was ready.

As for the second, it was a delightful chip; if Gomes missed that one-on-one, he would be ridiculed. The first was the failure of Coleman to protect that area and the second was due to MotM Garner slipping in the middle of the park allowing a free run on goal.

Before the game, many ToffeeWebbers were advocating the inclusion of Alcaraz, Dibling, McNeil and Barry. To those, you got what you wanted... and now you know the result. Others advocated putting out our best team from the start, impose our game, and then maybe bring on subs to see how they fit into the game plan. You were totally correct.

Up until now, although lukewarm on Moyes's appointment, (but I did believe he was the only practical option available at the time), I was totally on board once he gelled the team and got results and had little time for those who couldnt leave the past go even when we were getting good results with reference to him without naming him, Dithering Dave etc.

I was away at the weekend so I didn't get to see the derby but, based on last night, I am now in the camp where his performance and the performance of the team over the next few weeks is critical to our season and to Moyes's future as our manager.

I predict he won't score for us and he will end up being 'homesick' very soon.

Barry is not a Premier League striker, he's all over the place and doesn't seem to be able to head a ball to save his life.

Aznou now seems to be our 4th-choice left-back, even behind two players who have been played out of position.

Travers is what you get when you need a backup keeper who knows he's never going to challenge your Number 1 and you don't have European football to boost his game time.

He made a huge mistake last night with that selection, we have 5/6 days until the next game, playing Coleman left back, what on earth was that about, round pegs, square holes mentality of the club strikes again.

Moyes did not send out a team to challenge Wolves. He did not send out a team to develop depth in the squad either, hence the poor rating.

It would have taken a lot of luck for Everton to win that game the way they were set up and that was solely what Moyes was counting on.

It won't cost him a second thought that Everton are out. Some of the players know that. The performances won't count one iota to their selection position in the squad.

That's a one point (just for being there) from me.

My fears on Dibling is that he's one for the future. We needed a right winger for the here and now, and we didn't get one.

Alcaraz continues to flatter to deceive, and McNeil looks done.

I just said the same thing on Twitter to Chris Beesley (Echo).

Travers... fuck knows how much milk tokens would be enough. Certainly no better than Virginia.

Aznou... who knows? Who cares? No better than Mykolenko.
Therein lies the problem: not one good enough to challenge for 1st team let alone play in it.

Everton are the perfect team to play against when you are down in the dumps and looking for a lifeline.

He doesn't seem interested anymore.

It is not pointless, it is less work. Even I am surprised that Moyes could be so cynical.

The Carabao Cup has no power to sanction such managers.

Moyes's objective is a top half table finish. A squad to Europe is not being looked at. TFG may have it in their Strategic Plan, but Moyes is not going to bust a gut. The players were prepared for nothing.

I'd give him a 1.

Beto's limitations have become obvious and last night Barry became frustrated by his inability to achieve anything meaningful.

It may be harsh, but to me he doesn't look like he is going to make a Premier League striker. He's 23 next month and should be performing better. He's losing confidence.

The only positive is that surely this will act as a kick up the backside before we face West Ham on Monday. This will be a big moment for both managers; Potter is under serious pressure at West Ham and defeat on Monday could well be his last game in charge. But equally, if we lose, then the table will look a lot different and pressure will come onto Moyes.

I do wonder though who is in charge of our recruitment team? We seem to be concentrating on bringing young players in: Barry, Röhl, Dibling and Anzou -- these don't look to me like Moyes buys.

Normally, the players he has bought in the past most have been ready for the first team, yet obviously these younger players don't look ready. Now seeing Moyes may only get a limited time, why would he buy so many youngsters who might take a season to be ready, and some might not make it at all?

I felt a bit sorry for Dibling; he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. He wanted to play the safe pass rather than take on defenders which is normally his strength.

Seems we've gone from that to Bramley-Moore Dock becoming a burial plot for strikers?

Despite the claims of wanting to win a trophy, which we hear every year, the number of changes made suggested to me that neither manager (or club?) had much interest in progressing.

I think Wolves made more changes than we did and their manager didn't look that excited by the victory.

Even when we eventually made 2nd half changes, we didn't really improve -- mainly, I believe, because Gana didn't play. He continues to be a key player for us with no obvious replacement.

We've always loved going backwards to ex players, managers etc

We went back for Howard Kendall three times and the third time was insane because it became apparent the second time around that it wasn't going to be the same.

We've dished out over the years so many new contracts to players that had little more to offer, and their powers had waned so much but we couldn't see past that.

Coleman has been a wonderful stalwart, he's been a long serving player for us but fundamentally he's been finished now for the best part of 6 years, the legs were going when he hit 30, the style he made his trademark running up and down the flank, he couldn't do anymore.

It's on us that we haven't replaced him, it's our own inability to find a suitable replacement.

We've been very poorly managed off the pitch for a long time if we are truthful.

As I say, we still haven't addressed the lack of pace, an issue which has been there for years too.

Its why I wished we could have got Kubo in the summer, a player that would have matched the work ethic that's needed as the Asian players seem to have that in them, and also the pace.

We must be the only club that keep spending so much money to just end up back at square one.

We need to get the first eleven playing as a unit and squad players used as back-up only. They're not 11-year-olds with stroppy mums demanding they get picked.

Play the best eleven for as many minutes of every game as possible. We would have won that with our best eleven and still had 5 days to rest.

All on Moyes for me that!

In his press conference before the derby, he just complained all the way through it.

"They bought one player for more than all the ones we did put together." "We need better players." "We need a squad." >"We need Ronny Corbett's hand up my arse!"

He has never come out and said anything that could keep or lift all of the players' spirits to high and hopeful.

Sky have ensured it's impossible to watch the Carabao Cup in Spain, and having read the reports, I am glad.

Hugely disappointed in the disdain shown to fans. That selection was woeful. He ought to feel ashamed of himself today.

He should have told fans not to bother or waste their hard-earned money. Don't make the effort because the players won't, and he hasn't. It was always going to be a defeat with little concern and much indifference.

Regards players, Patterson must feel ashamed by now.

Why buy Aznou and not play him. Loan him out if he is that far off. Same with Badass Barry. Why the hell buy a duffer and yet another duffer? It's beyond a joke.

I have said from the off, Tim Iroegbunam is not a Premier League player and yet hoped to be proved wrong. No such luck.

We bought in 3 keepers. Why? If the best of those is Travers, then TFG give Moyes the gloves and stick that miserable twat in goal.

Enough has been said about the club's habitual failings.

Moyes was to blame for the derby and last night.

He cannot make excuses. He put out a Fred Carno team. Showed the supporters what he thinks of them and should man up and quit if he doesn't like his lot.

The old codger is stuck in his ways and will never change. It's more luck than managerial anything we've won a couple of games so far.

Without Grealish and Pickford, we'd be sunk.

Beto is average and isn't going to improve soon. Barry is still adjusting. But bear in mind we have a manager who operated with Marcus Bent alone up front one season (and finished 4th somehow!)

I couldn't agree more.

It's disgraceful.

On the players given the opportunity, I agree that McNeil doesn't look anything like the player we had last season. I suspect that he is aware that he now is a backup player which is affecting his mentality.

I have thought for some time that Alcaraz is way overrated on this site and I am yet to be convinced of what he brings to the team. Maybe good in a dominant team but does not show any leadership for me.

As for Barry, I do agree with one comment in that he looks to me as Moise Kean Mk II. I think Beto offers more threat but that bar is very low.

I will give Dibling a pass for the moment but should only be introduced slowly to a settled team with a clear game plan and then fit him in to that plan. Last night, he didn't seem to know what his role was.

As I said earlier, I think our next few games are crucial to regain some momentum because, if we do not go on a winning run, like when Moyes was appointed, otherwise we will be have discussions on the manager's position.

Tim Iroegbunam is not an Everton player and should never, ever have been on the pitch.

The biggest mistake Moyes made last night was playing Seamus at left back which didn't make sense, why put Aznou on the bench?

He had to give Dibling, Alcaraz and McNeil game time, but my biggest worry going forward is that Barry and Beto don't even look like scoring a goal?

If the Wolves manager or Nuno, the former Forest manager, had our players to work with, we would have won comfortably.

Moyes is too pessimistic and tactically inept to take us any further than mid-table and out of the cups early. He won't last long if we perform like last night in our upcoming games.

It's not the players who are the problem, it's the manager. The players follow the manager's instructions. If the manager is negative, the players pick up that vibe and don't perform with confidence.

Moyes is so slow to change things during a game with the result he brings on substitutes too late in the game to make a difference. It's just poor management.

We've had 30 years in the wilderness. When will it end?

I've just put it on another thread — get Nuno Espírito Santo in while there is no compensation to pay for him.

I'd begrudge Moyes another big payday but Everton's future is much more important and we are going nowhere with him in charge of the team.

Why did he have to, Christy? And why all three at the same time?

Alan Harper was a great sub for us but he was just that -- a sub. He played when needed because a first-choice eleven wasn't available.

Just because we can now have 5 subs doesn't mean those players shouldn't accept that they are subs, rather than starters.

I agree they should get a chance to prove themselves, but not 6 at a time.

Start with at least one or two and, as most have said, take them off for a rest when the game is won.

It is also detrimental to keep switching Barry and Beto. Decide who your best striker option is and get the other players used to playing with them.

I have really appreciated the impact that Moyes has had since his comeback but I would give him a big minus for how he managed or mismanaged last night.

I'd love to see what it said about those players we bought this season.