David Moyes disappointed by Everton’s decision-making in the final third after 1-1 draw with West Ham

Players got into the position Moyes wanted and found themselves with limited options. It took a great cross from Garner and a good run getting in front of the marker and a superb header from Keane.

That all fell apart once they equalised and Moyes then was saving his bacon.

I think an issue with Moyes, as with Dyche, is he doesn't trust flair players. Consequently, they're stuck out on the wing.

Lindstrøm supposedly is best as a Number 10. He never played there once under Moyes or Dyche. Ndyiae apparently prefers the Number 10 role. Grealish has played the Number 10 role. But here that role is reserved for functional but limited players.

Even beyond the Number 10 role, at least Lampard allowed Gordon, Iwobi and Gray to switch it up and swap sides. Moyes would never allow such adventurism.

He's a dinosaur in the way he works and the effect he has on the few players of enterprise we have.

Uninspiring, unimaginative and boring -- period.

No, let's be realistic, this squad like most other squads we have had over the past few seasons, lacks genuine goal threat.

If you ask most Blues who will be our top scorer come May, I'd bet most would answer Ndiaye: he's good for about a dozen goals.

Grealish; has he ever hit 10?

Beto; Will he ever score again?

Barry; who said he was a striker?

Garner, Gana, Dewsbury-Hall, someone do the math. I reckon we are up to 25 goals with 3 strikers and 4 midfielders.

Back line doesn't have a Baines, our full backs are O'Brien and Mykolenko, Michael Keane is our most likely and he's 2nd choice.

Shape the team any which way you want and that squad has no goals in it. Whoever is picking these signings has a lot to answer for, not just now but going back years.

Calvert-Lewin was our striker for a long time, far from a top goal getter, we then signed Beto who looks like a less athletic Calvert-Lewin. We bring Chermiti in at the same time and he looks like he had the potential to become another Calvert-Lewin, or a younger version of Beto.

Now we have Barry, he looks like a poor man's Beto, or a younger Beto with potential, pick for yourself.

Why not buy something different for when games need changing? Every striker doesn't have to be a big Number 9 who is supposed to hold up a ball. Where is the Vardy style players, Joa Pedro (Chelsea), Teves, Aguero and so on???

Or at least, if you are going to sign a Number 9 who's big and can hold up a ball, then at least find one who does what they are supposed to do.... score some fucking goals!

We need a few more windows before we build anything decent, but we also need to buy goal threats; without them, points would be hard to come by for any manager.

Our only hope is to try Keane as a striker.

To score goals, we need to create chances. We created absolutely nothing last night, just hopeful crosses lobbed into the box.

Ndaiye was next to useless and not for the first time, if Grealish doesn't create something then we are knackered. And I'm sorry but it's about time Gana was put out to pasture, his passing is diabolical.

We don't have a like-for-like for Gana.

Iroegbunam is dreadful there and I expect, if he starts often in that position doing his usual wandering around like a lost poet in the Alps, then we are going to start shipping goals.

Gana was awful last night. Yes, he's also 36, we need a replacement ASAP I agree, but right now there is no replacement in our squad, another area of fucking negligence on behalf of our recruitment team.

We also need a right-back because we are desperate in that position.

We also need a striker.

Last night laid our every limitation (including Moyes) out bare for the world to see. We are weak in every position and none more than the strikers -- and for those two, I use that team very loosely.

The attacking midfielders work hard but Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall both seem to go into panic when they get in shooting positions. Our full backs are very poor by Premier League standards.

Tarkowski and Gana both seem to have aged 3 years over the summer. Ndiaye is definitely not the same player out on the right.

Ndiaye keeps coming back inside instead of going down the outside. No balance to the attack once again, everything down the left side. We need to get in behind the defence and put crosses in. It's all very predictable.

Like I said in a previous post, Moyes is vanilla ice cream. When you've got nothing else, he'll do, but you soon start getting tired of him.

Put Dewsbury-Hall or Alcaraz behind them as the playmaker and Gana and Garner defensive mids in front of the back four. And get a quick right-back in asap.

ps: We should have gone seriously in for Bowen when he was at Hull -- he's better than Salah, him!

The other massive problem is that we have no focal point, as Beto or Barry cannot hold the ball up, no presence whatsoever.

An after-dinner speaker without an appetite...

He's always been a good player, has Bowen, what I like about him is when he picks the ball up things are done quickly, be it shot or cross.

I'm surprised really he's not ended up at one of the noisier London clubs.

I'd move Dibling to the right wing and give Ndiaye a shot as the central striker. At this point, it's hard to imagine anything worse than the current duo.

Moyes is really starting to wear thin. Ndiaye was poor last night, yet Moyes waited until the 81st minute to make a change. It's déjà vu from 13 years ago — he hasn't evolved.

The cup defeat to another struggling side seems to have derailed our momentum. Those unnecessary changes last Tuesday were baffling and, after last night's performance, Moyes looks even more out of his depth than he did at the final whistle last week.

The recruitment team must prioritise signing a striker and a right-back in the January window. As solid as O'Brien has been, he was exposed last night and offers very little going forward.

I agree that we don't have a like for like for Gana but we'd better find someone considering he's going to the Afcon, and he is 37 and can't go on forever.

I wouldn't have Iroegbunam polishing the boots. Hopefully Merlin Röhl can step up if he gets fit.

The reason I'm pissed off with Gana is that he wins the ball then will play an absolutely atrocious pass and give it away again, mind you he's not alone there...

That is the issue. He set up a low block and positioned players to retain possession going sideways and backwards. Then you had whatever players got an opportunity shooting mostly from outside the area.

Grealish got shepherded and positioned on the wing. When the camera was behind him, he had no options other than backwards or sideways. I think he got one cross in under pressure beyond Beto in the first half. No real shooting chance came his way.

Beto was isolated with no passes to run onto and no movement around him. Garner and Keane 's goal broke the mould for a instant. I think Moyes over the last three games has managed to paint himself into a corner with his innate negative football.

The Number 10 role is Dyche's inverted winger replacing overlapping full backs. Well spotted by you. I think the players may not be confident in Moyes and he is now not confident in them as a result.

There was no real ball progression; West Ham simply set up shop and gave ground safely. They then counter-attacked .

Who is to blame that we don't push the boat out to get a proven Premier League scorer? We're sadly still shopping in the tier 2 market generally -- getting Grealish was a consequence of his situation at Man City and there aren't many of his calibre that would otherwise come to Everton right now.

We suffer from the same issues we have had the last 5 years or so. Moyes said we can't buy a £70M striker at the moment.

Not sure what shape he could play maybe he could experiment a bit more with the front 3 or 4 but it could all go pear-shaped. He wants to inch us forward step by step when we would prefer a revolution but I truly believe we should give him 3 or 4 seasons before we decide his future and ride out the disappointments (again!)

What's stopping Grealish from moving around a bit more? He doesn't have to cling to the outside left position.

Didn't he say that Moyes told him to just go out and play your game — why doesn't he do that???

Play all 4 flair players: Ndiaye, Dibling, Dewsbury-Hall, and Grealish

Play two wingers, one more advanced and one as a Number 10.

He stands on the touch line feet away from Jake getting roasted time and again by Summerville and Diouf and does absolutely nothing in spite of the fact that he has 2 right backs on the bench.

Ndiaye constantly went walk about leaving us exposed; replace him with Paterson or Seamus. But Moyes dithers, talks to Irvine, and inevitably the goal comes from our right.

Benjamin #19 - Moyes is not a pragmatist; he is a ditherer of the worst kind.

Dewsbury-Hall, perfect tackle, gets the ball, card. Dewsbury-Hall against the Red Shite, takes a free kick too quick, card.

Both referee errors, aren't they? Change the bloody rules, you idiots!

Apparently King Edward's buildings are to be demolished for sky skrapers, we see more?

It was ineptitude.

Sometimes, it seems to me, he sends the team out and hopes for the best. It's like he goes to the stands mentally and hides there.

I was particularly struck by Moyes's use, or misuse, of the bench. Where was Alcaraz, for example? And why not hook a clearly flagging O'Brien when Patterson and even Coleman were available?

It's true what other contributors have pointed out. We spent a fortune on Dibling and give him a mere handful of minutes on the field; Armstrong is wasted at Preston, and the Under-21 lads rarely get a sniff of first team action.

There is also the danger of over-focusing on Grealish who, whatever his talents, cannot make a Dixie out of the lumbering, unimaginative Beto.

I like Moyes but time seems to have passed him by. He needs to get his priorities right if Everton are to become the sort of club that the fans expect and deserve.

It couldn't be any worse than Beto or Barry.

We need a different strategy of playing to the forwards -- dancing down the wing and passing it square or backwards must be demoralising for the forwards.

We need a pro-active Gaffer, one that gives all his players a chance, makes timely subs, doesn't stick to old-fashioned tactics, a manager who uses the Premier League as a basis to pick his strongest team for both Cup competitions.

If not, we just stagnate as a football club... no wonder the red half still laugh at us!

For the fourth game running, Moyes has failed to use the bench and, for the fourth game running, we've failed to win. It just means another dreadful, boring season as we'll fail to beat teams that were there for the taking.

Alcaraz, McNeil and Dibling are now almost completely lacking in any match fitness or confidence. He's atrophied them on the bench at a time when all players need time on the pitch, then he chucked them all in together at Wolves.

We've thrown away four home points and our best chance of a trophy because he simply won't use his players properly.

He gives these interviews like it's someone else's fault that we fail, but it's him.

Experienced Premier League players and both Internationals and not going to Afcon. Also, Paco Alcacer, ex Spain centre-forward, is on a free -- he'sscored goals in Spain and Germany. Unless he's injured I cannot understand why we don't make him an offer.

To persist with the Beto or Barry merry-go-round is nuts. It doesn't work!

Give Ndiaye a go at least.

Agree, I'd like to see something very different from the manager now that our surprise creative player is no longer a surprise but, at the same time, some of the players have to step their game up.

I thought we were quite comfortable without threatening much in the first half, and actually started the second half much the brighter.

However, when they got through that bit of pressure unscathed, they obviously took heart and really came into the game.

Crystal Palace play a formation I think we could try as it might suit the personnel we actually have more than a strictly orthodox back four, but their wing-backs are proven at it whereas we would clearly be experimenting at first.

He was definitely out left a lot. I watched as he appeared on the screen to come into play from the left wing, like an overlapping full-back. You would have thought he was instructed to do that.

Definitely when I looked at the forward build-up and play, it was typical Moyes. Players picking up the ball leisurely and moving into space, as the retreating defensive line gets back into position. Then passing it sideways , then out to the wing, then back or sideways across the pitch.

For me, Grealish and Dewsbury-Hall should have been centrally positioned, with movement in front and runs either side of them. But it was all about getting an opportunity to shoot or a cross into the box. It was either the attack was too slow in build-up or the plan was to nick a goal from wherever.

But the weaknesses were there when West Ham attacked down the centre with movement, passing and runs. They just could not get the final ball right in the first half.

I conclude that Everton were set up to nick a goal, with a low block which did not work because Ndiaye in an inverted winger role is poor at defending and Grealish and Ndiaye were not central. On top of that, a deep Everton defensive gave up attacking space and lack of pace had them fearing defending on the turn.

Only the Keane and Garner play was different. Play down to good footballing was different. Moyes's system in the main does not allow this. He puts Ndiaye as a Number 10 in an inverted wing position he is not suited to, because of his negative mindset.Player shooting on site. no thought of passing and movement for the same reason.

Moyes needs to get it sorted out in his own head. Either he lets players play as they like, or makes them put into practise his decisions. Complaining about forward decision-making shows how much he is lacking in a coherent plan of play and instructing or selecting the players to play in it. But I think Moyes talks in riddles anyway. He has an agenda. How do I get out of this? Who do I blame? Sense is out the window.

When I seen Grealish on the left with no options, I thought of Brian Clough on the touchline saying to him "What are you doing here, Sunny Jim???"

By the way, I would prefer that I had something good to say about Moyes. I am getting sick of this.

Yes, he will probably get us to mid-table table and we should be patient... but how long can we go on with such low standards?

His non-use of substitutes is antiquated. This is the 21st Century: the game has changed. Substitutes are very important; get them on early, change tactics to suit... no chance with Moyes.

Hopefully our new owners won't mess around and get rid of him before too long.

We are just so boring to watch and it's not the players' fault -- it's the manager's.

One thing I like about Grealish is his ability to hold on to the ball waiting for a runner. That is why I would play him in midfield just behind the forwards.

Ndiaye on the left, Dibling on the right, and (yes) Alcaraz as the striker.

Having said that, there is not a snowball's chance in hell of Moyes trying something so alien to him.

While neither Beto or Barry look very good, this style of play negates whatever strengths they might have.

Ndiaye needs to be played as a more central forward as he can hold the ball up. Grealish needs to change position more as the 2 players who mark him will be forced to change position, thus unsettling the opposition.

With Dewsbury-Hall absent against Palace, I'd like to see Alcaraz given a chance as he can hold and carry the ball forward.

Jerome #35, "Ndiaye in an inverted winger role is poor at defending"... Seriously? I've never seen a player that works so hard out of possession, he continually wins the ball back in our own half.

Then you say we were "set up to nick a goal, with a low block", I think you've got that in reverse, mate. Nuno started with a defence-first attitude (understandably considering their results), and it was up to us to break them down. Look at their goal: on the break, at pace.

Some of the comments about not playing to Beto's or Barry's strengths are fair but, when Beto did get a run, he somehow managed to dribble it out for a goal kick.

You can't win on this site, though, because, if we want to play a quick, counter-attacking style, Moyes would get it in the neck for defending at home against a shite team.

Ndiaye doesn't look as comfortable on the right as he did on the left. Grealish in the middle would give him more options and involvement. Dibling needs to play more and would improve.

Not sure about Alcaraz as the striker but there are few options and we'll never know unless he is given a chance.

As ever, the large part of our problems stems from issues in the squad arising from lack of money. I suspect the managers will start to become more competent after a few windows of sustained spending (basically the same as every other club except the odd outlier like Man Utd).

One, that there are lots of people on here who for various reasons don't like Moyes and are keen to jump on him at any opportunity and blame him for everything.

Two, that Moyes has not made a great start to this season and was possibly responsible in part for a summer transfer window that did not address some major needs in the squad.

I was always a fan of Moyes and felt comfortable with him coming back. I think he did a pretty tremendous job last season for which many do not give him enough credit.

But I was worried about giving him too much control over transfer dealings, I felt that this summer had some interesting moves but also some significant missteps and I think, though we look better in possession, there are some real issues in how Moyes is setting the team up currently that give me cause for concern for the near future.

Yes, of course money is a big part of the issue but we had the 7th biggest net spend this summer in the Premier League (not including a huge wage layout for Grealish) so an improvement on our standards from last season should be reasonably expected.

I'm thinking at least one season. Probably more like three. Hopefully this is the first year in a long time that we won't be in relegation trouble at some point in the season.

We're playing much improved football. We're sitting bang in mid-table.

I posted something in here in preseason when everyone was saying that midtable would represent progress. It was that we've all forgotten just how dull it was sitting in mid-table.

Sustainable improvement doesn't happen overnight. We're buying to a strategy -- and that strategy will include some mistakes. I'm prepared to admit that Barry might be one of those. Mind you, we made plenty of mistakes when we bought without any kind of strategy too.

Moyes isn't a winner. He hasn't been brought in to lead us to glory, however much we might want that. He's there to oversee a reset as a pretty safe pair of hands.

It's going to get pretty boring watching us bounce around midtable while we rebuild a squad that was decimated by poor transfer dealings and mismanagement at the leadership level. But it's what we wanted?

Our 2 options atm are limited, but we don't make it easy for them. I'm not sure what even Haaland could do if the ball was lumped up to him, with one defender man marking him and 2/3 others covering.

We sit so deep as a team, that getting players up field quickly is impossible. By the time we do get it there, the opposition have 10 men behind the ball. Not helped by our wingers propensity to chew it.

In terms of the spending though, a chance for me to labour my usual boring points:

We only had the 13th highest actual expenditure this summer. Despite hitting the end of June with only 12 first team players left.

We were 7th in net spend only because we had nothing to sell. We got a few quid for Maupay but that was it. Many clubs manage down their net spend now by developing and trading fringe players. We couldn't do that.

Transfermarkt did a piece recently on how much each squad cost to assemble. From memory ours was about 11th to 13th but closer to Burnley in 20th than Forest in 8th. Same story on wages too.

Moshiri left a huge mess. Moyes could definitely be doing better. But (and I know you're not saying this!) appointing Glasner, say, doesn't give you Palace performances straight away. We're still overhauling the squad.

I am still expecting an improved position on our 12th place finish last season but it will be tough going. On paper, we're still very much a bottom-half club.

Don't bother writing sense. It's wasted on here.

“There is a labouring of often inapplicable anti-myth truths on here — all trotted out unless he wins”.

Let's be honest here, Robert — Moyes was getting plenty of praise after four games when we had 7 points, not many if any were having a go.

The criticism since then is valid not because we are losing but for the way Moyes has operated in the way we have played, for leaving a lot of the first team attackers out of the Wolves game, an ultra defensive start v Liverpool which cost us the game, the very poor usage of substitutes in those games plus Monday night's and the Villa game when he only used two when five are allowed.

The conservative way he selects teams and his tactics are well out of date. I think even some of his previous fans have had a go at him and, if he doesn't change, that list will lengthen.

Finally, we have only played one team who are near the top of the table — the next three games might show us how he navigates the squad against these teams.

I have never been a fan of this very average or less manager. In case you didn't know — lol!

I'm a little concerned that, if we continue with this setup, we'll be lower than that... but let's see how October goes.

To only use two subs was ridiculous! We were being picked apart on the right flank all game until Dibling came on. Beto was less than useless.

Keane had a great game. Why won't players shoot? Seems like we try to walk it into the net at times!

You are right that posters are critical of Moyes based on his previous, how he treated the club when he left and his small club mentality attitude that no supporter wants to hear. Some just don't accept him.

From my perspective like you I respect his first stint but have fears over giving him control over recruitment as West Ham are still dealing with the mess he left behind there and most of their expensive signings like Aguerd, Ward Prowse and Mavripanos you can't give them away.

There seems a clear disparity to me with how Moyes treats and remarks upon the signings like Dewsbury Hall which were clearly his as opposed to those led by the recruitment team and I don't think this will do him any favours with TFG.

My concern on the pitch however is that we are not operating as a mid table team. We have had some favourable fixtures on paper with 3 relegation candidates and of the better teams we have faced like Villa and Liverpool we had very favourable conditions to exploit and never seized the opportunity.

The table has us currently in a misleading position but the reality is that we have only played one team likely to finish in the top 7. We have another great opportunity against Palace on Sunday as they play in Kiev on Thursday night but had they not done so you wouldn't be confident based on how they have started.

Of the teams ahead of us in the table only Sunderland and Palace we can usurp yet 3 teams in Villa, Newcastle and United will definitely finish above us.

For example Villa have been atrocious, lost key players, Watkins was unsettled, their squad is unbalanced and they have to contend with Europe yet we are only 2 points ahead of them.

In order to finish 10th we will have to be best of the rest and finish above the likes of Palace, Forest, Fulham, Brighton and Brentford. This is no doubt achievable but it will require us to take advantage of situations like we had against Villa and will do against Palace.

Currently we are 2 points behind City who are 7th yet only 2 points ahead of Villa in 16th. Take Utd they are a point behind us but they have already played Arsenal Chelsea and City.

Last season when Moyes came in you felt we could beat most teams as performances were excellent whereas this season only the Wolves game did we play with such authority.

His decision making, his misuse of the squad and even sending Armstrong on loan are worrying especially when Garner can be an excellent option in the right back role should we need a more attacking outlet to dovetail with either Dibling or Ndiaye.

Staunch supporters of Moyes and he himself has stressed that we are only having greater expectations because of Moyes impact. For me this is not the case I am only judging him by the tools he has to work with and his utilising of them.

We look shakey currently despite having played some of the out-of-form teams in the league. Early days but it doesn't feel quite like it's working to me.

Also, when we learnt before the season started that Branthwaite had picked up an injury which would keep him out for a couple of months, most feared the worst. But by and large the team has coped quite well without Branthwaite.

I think, because without him we don't have much pace in the backline, we are having to sit much deeper than we did towards the backend of last season, which sometimes hampers our ability to push our backline further up the pitch.

Also, I think we have been as good or better than most of the teams we have played in the league so far.

While we will be missing Dewsbury-Hall for the Palace game, I hope Moyes uses this opportunity to play either Grealish or Ndiaye in the Number 10 role and give Dibling his first start in a Premier League game.

I don't think Dewsbury Hall is a natural Number 10 although overall he has played well in that position, but maybe to play a more natural 10 there might give better support to Beto or Barry.

I think our lack of defensive pace cost us on Monday and that's probably O'Brien's worst game, but to be fair he is a centre-back playing out of position.

They will want any manager to outperform the investment in the squad.

"Staunch supporters of Moyes and he himself have stressed that we are only having greater expectations because of Moyes's impact. For me, this is not the case; I am only judging him by the tools he has to work with and his utilising of them."

Absolutely. He was 'foolishly brave' bringing one bloke off the bench against Leeds but he's not 'utilising' his squad effectively enough currently. That's why Martinez made a worldie save to keep Keane out against Villa and West Ham scored a spawny deflected goal on the counter in a game we completely dominated.

We played an inferior team, low on confidence, and at our home ground. Yet Grant feels we completely dominated that game and conceded a spawny deflected goal on the counter.

The stats suggest a fair result from 2 poor sides. But obviously Grant knows better and he has form for being on the money.

We had decent spells but so did they.

If West Ham offered anything throughout the game, it would be there. They did nothing until shortly before their lucky goal. A weak header back by O'Brien that they still somehow failed to take advantage of.

Much better than cherry-picking meaningless statistics.

Unfortunately, our manager, like you, couldn't see the wood (no pun intended) for the trees despite happening right in front of him where he stood directly looking at it. Perhaps he missed it due to marvelling at our dominance.

I think the lack of substitutes is partly due to Moyes being scarred by the Wolves cup tie when Alcaraz, McNeill, Iroegbunam, Coleman and Dibling did not cover themselves in glory. Replacing a tiring [enter name=" "] with one of those 5 would make the team weaker and not stronger.

Only put on a sub for one of two reasons:
a. To make the team stronger
b. To shut up people on ToffeeWeb.

He is costing us points, or at least the chance of trying to get points. We now have three players who were decent last season, and could be making the difference in results this season but are now completely short of match practice and confidence.

This has nothing to do with money, expectations or anything else. It is flat-out bad management. There is no way around this. It is simple, poor management. You could give him billions to spend and he'd still drop points because he's too scared to bring a sub on.

Make substitutions during the second half to bring fresh players on for the end of the game and keep a deeper squad of match-fit players. What is so difficult about that? It has become totally bizarre.

A fresh, match-fit Alcaraz, Dibling or McNeil world definitely make the team stronger and at least mean the opposition has something different to try to cope with. I just can’t fathom how someone can look at those last four results and think “yeah, that’s fine; why are people complaining?”

Both are/were not good enough.

Funny, there is no mention of this 'destruction' on the BBC live thread for the game. I haven't seen any highlights that show it and I don't remember seeing it at the time.

It is accepted that the West Ham goal was completely against the run of play. (for the entire half) That they had been under the cosh and that we had enjoyed our most dominant period of the game from the start of the second half until shortly before WH scored.

Whilst the BBC match momentum graph does show West Ham as marginally more likely to score in the moments before the goal. The size of the columns suggest that they had practically no chance.

Maybe it's you that see's things that aren't actually there? Like your boy tearing it up in Serie A while now only being a substitute having failed to score a goal yet.

Best Everton players 6.22, 6.02

BBC gives left back and left winger for West ham in the top three performers all night yet Grant suggests there was no threat down our side.

Bizarre even those you quote completely disagree with you.

Who do you think wrote in with those? West Ham fans delirious at not getting beat for only the second time this season.

Still waiting for evidence of this 'destruction down our right-hand side for 10 minutes' prior to the goal.

I think Mick Lyons had a lot more in his locker than Beto — and what Barry is currently showing, Mick was a good strong solid centre half for the Blues but would have played anywhere in a Blue shirt for a team and club he truly loved.

A lot of fans now wouldn't mind Keane playing up front at the moment with the shortage of really talented strikers in the squad.

Summerville was given man of the match by most pundits and you only had to read these pages to see what posters made of Diouf's performance.

Are we still on for 66-67 points?

So, no evidence for this 'destruction down our right-hand side for 10 minutes before the goal' then?

Okay, I'll settle for an Evan Ferguson goal-compilation video for this season.

Here are some views from the first posters after full time:

Tommy Carter: "They targeted their left-hand side against O'Brien and Moyes did nothing to address it."

Tony Heron: "O'Brien was getting laced right in front of him but he does nothing to address it."

Colin Glassar: "O'Brien was getting slaughtered down the flank and nothing was done to give him cover."

I stopped after the first few...

What are you talking about, you nutters: we were in "complete dominance"???

ps: Grant, have a look at what Roma fans think about Ferguson in comparison to how our fans view your 1-in-2 striker who is apparently "the least of our worries".

John Bennett, BBC Radio 5 Live reporter at Hill Dickinson Stadium:

"The headlines will be about Nuno's impact on West Ham and Jarrod Bowen's goal but there is frustration among the Everton fans heading home. They see this as a missed opportunity given their dominance for a large part of the game."

He seems to think we dominated.

We may need to adjust our expectations. I think Moyes overachieved last season with some of those wins. We had a poor squad anyway, but then from that we took out three key players: Doucoure, Calvert-Lewin, and no Jarrad. That leaves a big hole in our team. It means we can't press high, which was a critical aspect of our play.

We've replaced players, but mainly with youth, who can't currently get in the team. So, effectively we've replaced Doucoure with Dewsbury-Hall, and Calvert-Lewin with Barry.

That may well be an upgrade in the future, but it definitely isn't at the moment. The big fees we've paid out are not showing on the pitch at the moment cos they're not ready.

But we have had the benefit of Grealish, which gave the whole team a huge boost. So the team is better overall in my view, but only marginally.

The main problems are rusty strikers, limited fullbacks, and no pace in defence. These are significant barriers to winning games. But I think we'll be alright. We need to be patient and let the youngsters bed in.

It might not start getting better by the weekend though.

I don't think Moyes is the only one who is scarred by that cup tie against Wolves, mate, because as soon as I heard the team, I had a feeling that it was going to be a bad night.

Bad team selection ensured a terrible result, with my own view being that anyone who makes so many changes and expects his team to play with any kind of fluidity is either clutching at straws or doesn't really care about the game.

It's been done to death but one thing that can't be underestimated is how much damage that result has done to the overall morale of the fanbase, who are absolutely desperate to see Everton win a cup.

So, if you only make subs to make us stronger, is this why Moyes, waited so late in the game to make his subs at Anfield?

He made subs, whilst losing, at a stage of the game that the team who are winning usually make subs, to take the sting out of the game and help to run down the clock, which makes me think that he hasn't got any real confidence in some of his squad.

It did not provide cover for O'Brien. Sure, he harried, but his skills would have been better employed in forward play. Nuno did set up shop, but Moyes still tried to employ a low block, instead of trying to trying to break them down.

Moyes's tactics and what he asked the players to do didn't work and he was lucky Everton were not beaten. Moyes was glad of the draw.

Or was this quote a complete coincidence given how we played in the 2nd half? The Wolves line-up, performance, and result has completely flattened not only the fans but in my opinion the faith of some of the players in the Moyesiah.

Who do people say I am, asked the Moyesiah? You are the Moyesiah chosen by Friedkin, to lead us out of the wilderness. Who do you say I am? You are the fool who fucked up wholesale, against Wolves in the League Cup, after we had played their 1st XI off their own park before the international break.

What we all want to know is: Why?

On the Harrison Armstrong loan -- The Moyesiah in my opinion wanted him out so he would not be pressured by the fans to play one of our own. Armstrong in my opinion is a lot more talented than Iroegbunam, though Tim has started games and been used as a sub, despite lacking discipline and being a walking yellow card practically every game.

That team looked dispirited possibly because of the underlying attitude of Moyes towards them. Easy to say they should all be motivated but the likes of McNeil must know he is out the door, same as Patterson.

Alcaraz must feel totally dejected, can't speak the language and doing okay in the games he plays but probably can't understand why he is out of favour.

Having said all of the above, Moyes looks like he is a worried man, struggling to make decisions.

Seriously, I was looking around the ground the other night, when Forever Everton was blasting from the Tannoy and the terraces just before kick-off, and I suddenly thought about David Moyes.

He's got his fans, he's got his detractors and he's got a lot of people in the middle, who just want the best for Everton, but are called haters by his fans because they can see our manager's clear weaknesses.

Forever Everton, I thought... but if you want to be remembered forever, David, then you have got to go and win us a trophy.

This is why I just couldn't understand his team against Wolves, and why I don't agree with the supporters who are saying that certain players just never took their chance either, when I look at things objectively, or is it logically, especially because our club was getting taunted at Anfield (for not winning a trophy for 30 fucken years) just three days before.

As our very own “not so secret” footballer, I look for your posts eagerly as you have the inside line.

Your man Clough built a team around a group of talented and committed players but not, apart from Trevor Francis maybe, superstars. Howard Kendall did the same. Can you see that ever happening again? Are we doomed to tread water until we get Arab money?

How do we break Moyes's glass ceiling?

I suppose it's the problem with assembling a squad. Hopefully Charly will seize his chance... if Moyes gives him that chance. I'm wobbling on Moyes.

People say give him a chance; I can't, Tony because he is not what we need. We need a ruthless winner. A special one, he is not it and never was, never will be.

Our road to a trophy over the 30 years is filled with imposters, frauds and incompetence. Moyes is not our winner. We needed him to do a job, he did it.

But our owners and some fans are suckered into believing he can be the one. He can't, he won't. The sad thing is we all know it but won't say it. The fresh dawn of new owners and new stadium is falling short of expectations as the manager reverts to type.

But, I hear you all say, "What choice does he have?" The same question that was asked during his last stint with us, except it's different; this time, he has had significant funds, and a honeymoon period that promised better things.

David Moyes will give us security, mid table safety, but no trophy. He is what he is... but a winner? No. But we knew that after 11 years.

You won't find anyone better.

It's not a case of first choice, the reality is he is not even getting on the pitch when legs have gone, when ideas dry up.

He has an eye for goal and assists, he should start this weekend but I will be surprised if he does. Tim goes on before him... that works well, doesn't it?

We are not using the squad more than for simple replacements.

The tremors will stop if you close your eyes.

Seriously, I'm convinced it will definitely happen again, Mark, but who knows when? That's the bit I can't answer honestly, mate.

We need bravery and we need innovation -- two things that most people used to associate with Everton Football Club in our distant past.

I see a bit of the Cahill in Charly Alcaraz.

I hope we channel that.

Also, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall can play as a Number 8 especially when we're drawing late in a home game, so that Alcaraz, Grealish, Ndiaye or even McNeil can be in the Number 10 position.