Just as a direct result of our poor displays and tactics, I wonder how many of you want David Moyes to resign? I would like the editors of Toffeeweb to start a poll and ask "Do you want Moyes to resign?" and show us the result. Because it is getting very hard to watch Everton play these days.
His pick of the day was McFadden instead of Stracqualursi, I don't know his reasons for bringing in Stracq in the first place but, since he has, he should be afforded the chance to play himself into some kind of good form, like Saha last year was allowed to play the first half of the season so should Stracqualursi.
The Argentinian has said himself that he needs to play in order to get fit again, and at this point in time I don't see what there is to lose. We have seen that Saha is struggling in front of goal so I say the hell with it and go 4-4-2 rest of the season.
The fall in attendances should give Moyes a sign that he needs to change things around, but he is too stubborn for his own good. Well, I say sack him, unless he transforms and starts playing more aggressively and starts using Stracqualursi and Vellios upfront along with Saha on the bench.
This overly defensive bullshit cannot go on, as we cannot keep a clean sheet even if the players lives depended on it:
Jimmy Sørheim, Posted 05/11/2011 at 14:42:38
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1 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:20:58
2 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:24:51
3 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:34:26
Infuriating as he is becoming, "Moyes out" is a call for a short term solution that distracts from the far more important "Kenwright out".
4 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:29:16
Those days when he was getting manager of the month have long gone as he has proved since then he was a flash in the pan. His team selections,substitutions and general tactics are so totally abyssmal it makes me wonder what it is he holds over Kenwright and the board.
Today's woeful result is just the latest in a line of form going back several seasons.
.We have been seeing the same poor players and tactics day in day out and it's just sickening to see the same players on the team sheet despite mediocrity.
Never mind there was only one goal in it at the end-defeat is defeat no matter what the score is.
Going back to people like McFadden is a sign of desperation by a manager who no longer has any idea. His time is up and although it is early November Kenwright has to act now before it's too late.
We the long suffering Everton fans have had enough of his excuses.
5 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:21:14
A good manager will break up a squad every few years and rebuild from the main skeleton. This keeps things fresh and prevents the squad going stale. Manchester United are a perfect example of this.
Due to a lack of finances, as well as a reluctance to sell some of the more senior "stars" Everton have been unable to do this. Our squad has gone stale.
Football analysts have said that if you are unable to freshen up a stale squad, then the next viable option is to replace the manager. A new manager means new ideas and a different approach, even if only slightly. The hope is the enthusiasm of a new manager would be enough to spur the team on.
As far as who we could sign as manager, there are lots of bright foreign options. There are a few decent familiar names as well. I'd try for Carlo Ancelotti. Probably wouldn't happen, but he's a class manager and our managers wages are pretty fuckin good.
6 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:36:20
We have a thin squad and fuck all money.Newcastle are second in the league and unbeaten this season. We conceded an own goal and a wonder goal. You cant legislate for that. We still had chances and should have had a penalty. Do I think were playing great? No I dont but the manager has his hands tied behind his back. People need to stop making knee jerk reactions and look at the whole picture. Yeah lets sack Moyes and get Sven in shall we?
7 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:44:19
8 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:38:40
Someone on the live forum wrote, that even Walter never lost 6 games out of 7.I would like to know if that is true or not.
Does anybody know?
9 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:45:46
10 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:46:50
11 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:48:34
12 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:46:54
I am in the Moyes out corner but I can find no fault in that decision.
It was sensible to move Heitinga into Neville's position and replace him at the back with Disdin.
13 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:45:07
I remember the 2 last days of the season when we miraculously avoided relegation, and don't relish a third.
But I can tell you that's where we're headed based on our performances this season.
No one is suggesting Sven or Coyle, rather serious thought has to be given to the right choice of manager to get us out of this downward spiral.
The board ain't gonna change any time soon so we need some kind of spark.
Moyes has had his chance, he's done well, but not good enough given the long run and support he has been afforded.
Everything about the club is stale. We need a change or else!
14 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:51:24
I weas thinking exactly the same myself.
How many of the Barcode squad were there in their relagation season?
And Pardew has worked the oracle with them.
15 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:49:51
16 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:56:37
By the way, I'm not saying Moyes out, Pardew in.
17 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:55:11
18 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:55:11
A bit unfortunate today.... hit the post, should have had a penalty, stupid own goal...
I must admit that when, he brought Distin on, I was shouting at the telly for him to bring on an attacker. We were two-nil down at the time.
Seamus had an absolute nightmare, even when he moved back to the right wing. He did ok at right back though, albeit only for the last ten minutes or so.
19 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:53:30
Barkley should have come on ? he needs games. I know people will say he's only young but let's be right... Osman was rubbish and has been all season.
20 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:01:29
21 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:56:52
For fuck's sake, lads, get a grip!! He's been there 5 minutes and they will be lucky to finish in the top half!! They were hanging on for their lives today and on another day we would have beat them...
Okay Moyes frustrates the hell out of me too but we are where we are without a pot to piss in.. Who would do better? I bet every manager in the world is shitting themselves who gets mentioned next because who ever has in the past has ended up seeing a drastic dip in their career and results.. Get a grip!!!!!!!
22 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:56:44
As to Moyes's tactics and game plan ? well it's the same old, same old. If people consider us unlucky today then our wins against Blackburn and Fulham were very lucky. Overall we have been average at best and that is just not good enough. Regardless of the lack of money, a Moyes team aims not to lose, rather than playing to win.
23 Posted 05/11/2011 at 15:58:44
24 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:05:39
25 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:07:31
26 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:14:49
27 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:18:39
28 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:17:35
Just like the idiots who released the footage of us saying we need to sell players. Well done, allowed other teams (Arsenal) to come in and get our players cut price.
Just get behind the team that's what they need right now. Support!
29 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:24:10
30 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:26:11
31 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:26:02
32 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:28:47
No........just stating facts.
Inconvenient facts tor them as think we can do no better than Moyes or under Moyes.
But facts nonetheless.
33 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:33:18
Andrew - we were awful today same shit tactics its boring and predictable and just for bring McFadden on instead of the quality of Gueye, Barkley says everything.
Chris, I remember the 90's well and cannot see any difference to how Moyes has turned us we are shit, negative and cant score same as the 90's AND we have no money just as the 90's!
I support the team and shout for every player but there is only so much I can take of saha's shit half arsed attempts and stroppy strolling about!
34 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:31:19
I see the faults but he's shuffling a very thin pack right now and I think he's done pretty well in recent years.
35 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:38:13
At least Pardew has won something over his career!
What has Moyes won again..............
36 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:47:40
However, its clear the man will never learn from his mistakes and will never be a top manager.
37 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:56:05
Enough is enough
38 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:48:25
I look forward to the Manny Fernandez type fiasco with Drenthe in the summer. He IMO is the only player out there today with ideas & passion.
39 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:09:14
The real problem though, is the people who are running our club. Until they are replaced, I can see us just going from bad to worse. There is no vision, no excitement, no apparent long-term plan; nothing! So we drift along hoping that we might get another player or two in on loan, or from the lower leagues, when really, I'd be expecting a club of Everton's stature to be going for the best. Well, that's a laugh with this mob in charge.
Moyes, I think, is a capable manager but a boring one. If he bores us but keeps us up, then I think that will just about do us for now.
I don't think there is any point point in asking for him to go because the same players will be here after he goes and so will be the same lack of cash to replace them. There is a danger that the fans are turning on David Moyes when the real culprit sits beaming his smug smile on the big screen, if we happen to be winning (a rarity I know) yet disappears into his bunker when things start going tits up.
So we can't have a change in players, we have to use what we've got the days of an Andy Gray or Peter Reid coming in and galvanising Goodison would appear to be long gone. So for now, as dire as it is, I think changing managers would be an absolutely dangerous move.
Changing Chairman? ? too bloody right and I hope to God that the rumours of a takeover come true and that the chancer is chased out of Goodison Park ASA bloody P!
I've given up my season ticket and won't get one again until Kenwright has gone. Those who believe he's a good blue and therefore has our best interests at heart are as entitled to their views, as I am to mine. I think he's killing the club and Moyes going won't change that.
40 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:53:36
I thought McFadden did well when he came on made some decent passes rather than the usaul negative back passing by the other players or hoofing. If you wont Moyes out then please come up with a decent reason rather than using Strac as a reason as if he would have made the difference.
41 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:59:36
42 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:05:13
43 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:04:57
44 Posted 05/11/2011 at 16:45:12
People have got to stop looking at Moyes record from 5 or 10 years ago and using it to excuse his recent performance.
For a few seasons now it is clear Moyes has lost his fire. He spent the money from Lescott poorly; only distin has proved an astute buy.
His stubborn attitude and inability to get the best out of players means we sell a 20 goal a season striker we spent £11M on for a paltry £1.5M(he is still scoring 1 in 2 btw), and the captain of Nigeria who is worth at least £4M will probably be sold for nothing. Thats not to count players like Bily who cost £9M, doesn't fit into the team and who we'd be lucky to get half for if sold. No wonder we are skint.
Moyes ultimate problem is that he seems unable to adapt. When plan A doesn't work, he doesn't try something different. Every week we see the same players in the same position, playing the same anti-football.
If Moyes stays we will go down. At this level, belief and confidence is everything. Bar a handful of individuals, most players are at a similar footballing level. The difference is the mentality the manager instils.
Moyes instils fear and sucks the confidence of his players. The manager should be leading from the front, but its clear to anyone that the guy is dragging everyone down with his defeatist attitude.
45 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:15:23
46 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:15:12
Firstly, Barkley was put on the wing against united. Out of position. Another favourite trait of Moyes.
Secondly, did you miss the games at the start of the season in which Barkley was quite clearly our most consistent and creative player?
Thirdly, can you explain what Osman has done this season to merit a starting place?
47 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:21:22
48 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:09:26
Keeping Anichebe and selling Vaughan. Selling Beckford and the Yak and bringing in a player he never intends to play. Signing a star from the World Cup then refusing to play him. Going into games with no intention of attacking. Swansea drew at Liverpool today they should have won, look at gap in spending.
Against City we made 2 stupid mistakes to concede the goal: Fellani should have been marking Baltotelli and Drenthe made a poor pass. Against Liverpool, Jags was out of position and Distin and Baines messed up a clearance. Against Chelsea we conceded 3 defendable goals the first goal was Coleman's fault, the second was Howard's and the third was Distin's fault.
So the idea it has anything to do with money is a myth. We never made any real effort to attack United last week. Nowadays it's not if the opposition will score it's when. Moyes will never manager a bigger club than Everton that's a fact.
When Liverpool fans say they feel sorry for you having Moyes a manager, you know your in trouble. Moyes was a good manager but he's lost all ambition to take us forward we didn't want an equalizer enough today that's why we lost.
49 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:21:52
Any day now, Bill will display his confidence in our very best Premier League manager by offering him a new contract.Then, and only then, will we find out whether Davey has had enough of working on a shoe-string.
50 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:12:02
51 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:24:30
Moyes was dealt the worst blow possible with Arteta leaving at the last minute but looking at his lastest buys of Heitinga, Bily, Drenthe, I believe he has lost his ability to find the gems - the new 22-24yr old Baines , Cahill, Jags etc even he had tim eto sue the Arteta £10m .
As far as I'm concerned the guy has one more chance to go to 2 recognized forwards (Saha & Vellios) up in a 4:4:2 formation with some width and Rodwell & Fellaini in the middle - bye bye Cahill,Bily, Osman, and even Coleman on his latest 2-3 week form
52 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:35:08
Youre sick of people suggesting players who should be playing yet you'll happily suggest a change of formation? Strange.
53 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:45:00
54 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:31:24
Isn't it interesting that Drenthe is our most threatening player...he has a reputation for arrogance so is partially immune to the negativity of the manager, and he is new in and so Moyes hasn't been able to drill the life out of his play.
I think that wasted talent due to poor management is one of the worst crimes of all.
I never thought I would say it but I want Barkely to leave for his own good.
MOYES OUT....I don't give a shit if it's a risk. Risk is what makes football exciting to watch.
55 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:47:55
The Yak - £11.25m
Fellaini - £12.9m
Bily - £9m
Johnson - £8.6m
Beattie - £6.5m
Heitinga - £6.1m
Baines - £6m
Distin - £5m
Kroldrup - £5m
There's over £70m in transfers there.
56 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:40:42
Moyes stated he did well in pre season and so deserved to start, and he was proved to be right as Barkley was clearly on form and full of confidence. Barkley then cost us a penalty against Blackburn which perhaps knocked his confidence which must have been noticeable in training because Moyes later spoke of his performances in training and said he needs lots of reserve games obviously to gain some confidence and some form.
He was then played in his favoured position against West Brom and done nothing. One of his last interviews he said Barkley was looking better in training and might even start against Man U. Clearly Moyes was wrong and should not have put Barkley on, but then again Bily was even worse.
For your final point, no I cant explain what Osman has done this season to merit a game and the same goes for Rodwell. The bench must be terrible in training is all I can think of.
57 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:52:39
58 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:01:05
59 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:55:24
Moyes is an idiot with his selections but we can't pin our hopes on Barkley just yet. Too many other players not performing is our problem. We're deep in the shite, no creativity and no goals. We only had 3 creative players, 2 have left and Baines is having a bit of a shocker.
60 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:01:44
Your reasoning is midget thinking. Go to any thread where Moyes is under review, read carefully and patiently, buy a pen, and write down the number of reasons you read where decent well-intentioned blues pour their hearts out for why Moyes should go or do better.
There are 'decent' reasons all over our boards, read them, think more deeply about them, and your myopic Moyes-tinted, Moyes-tainted posts might be more in line with what most Everton-loving people think.
61 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:11:54
62 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:05:59
63 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:08:05
64 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:46:32
I was one of the Moyes supporters before the sale of Rooney, but all his conflicts with players clearly was a bad sign as it has continued and also destroyed players at this club.
I dont defend buying Bily but Billy did have some ability when he arrived here, now he is reduced to a shadow of himself, due to Moyes playing him too little and out of pos.
Moyes has been here too long, he knows it too well as you can see it in his past press conferances. He needs to take care and resign and start over with a new club. I have no grudge against him, but he needs to think of his career AND what is best for the club. Resign David Moyes, and go with our respect. If not you will suffer the consequenses later on!!
65 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:25:40
Unfulfilled potential : Coleman and Rodwell.
Outstayed welcome by a year: Neville, Saha and Cahill.
Outstayed welcome by a decade: Osman and Hibbert.
Bafflingly useless: Heitinga.
Possessor of the fattest arse in the premier league (possibly signed as a literal bench-warmer) Straquilarsi.
The last comment is definitely unfair.
The others aren't.
66 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:08:57
I wonder why we are struggling.
Every other team in England is investing in players, in their stadium. Crawley Town are spending more money on players than Everton
Rather than Moyes out, Kenwright is a cancer on this club. I can't wait til the day he has nothing to do with Everton anymore.
We are just rudderless under this board.
The protest needs to be about that cancer in our boardroom.
Anything else is just cosmetic.
67 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:41:02
I want NEIL WARNOCK
A class manager who has balls and has never got the chance at a big club.
68 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:29:03
Come on lets all have a laugh, how about this:
Round: Damn, forgot to remove my wifes t-string fter our party in your barn last night!
Moyes:I think Heitinga has smoked too much of the green stuff he brought home from Holland!
Round: Yes, he has looked confused out there and his tackles aren't up to date.
Moyes: Bring my scottish whiskey up so I can have a stiff one at half time.
Round :You got it Boss!!! You want me to go and have a look in Heitingas locker as well and see if he has any left?
Moyes: Couldn't hurt, he seems really out of it out there. Probably some good shit.
Round: Maybe we should wait till after the post-match talks?
Moyes::Yeah you're probably right, that would be another thing those bastards at BU could complain about!
Round: Try to act like I just said something mindbreaking.
Moyes: We probably should try to pretend like were working here.
Round: I think we should introduce Mcfadden and get the crowd going again. They need to get used to him because were planning to sign him full time in May.
Moyes: NIce Stevie, you always have my back!!
Round:Thanks Boss! You know it.
69 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:51:08
You'll never get Kenwright before Moyes because Kenwright effectively owns the gaff it'a a pointless dream.
They're a double act, to get Kenwright you have to go through Moyes - it's that simple.
70 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:51:59
..Moyes: Add him to list.
...Round: The brainwashing list?
...Moyes: That's right. Mwa ha ha ha ha!!!
71 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:58:15
72 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:07:18
A few months ago I wrote an article on here following River Plate?s relegation from the Argentine top flight for the first time in their history. The general gist of the article was that at boardroom level there was huge miss-management and debts that could not be totally explained. They sold all their better players and didn?t, or where unable to adequately, replace. It was an article saying that if the most successful team in Argentina can find themselves in so much trouble, then anyone can. Finances all over the place, selling players and not replacing, it eventually caught up with them big time. It was an example of something we should learn.
This season we have no real creativity and no true firepower up front. This calendar year we have sold Steven Peinaar, Yakubu, Beckford, Vaughan and Mikel Arteta; and bought no-one. Drenthe and Straquarsi loan deals and a McFadden season contract aren?t going to replace them, especially long term.
You can only go so long selling and not replacing before it finally catches up with you. River are a prime example of that.
I just pray that the catch up is not now here with us.
Before people ask about whether Moyes should go, we need to first get rid of Kenwright and his board.
73 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:13:11
74 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:57:37
75 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:11:52
76 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:20:21
77 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:12:24
He seems happy enough to take his 70k / week, not get flak from kenwright and serve up the same crap that has lost us the last 6 of 7 games, every game.
Even 10 years on, I can count on one hand the times we played genuinely good football for a sustained period of a match(not a season, a MATCH). When was the last time we really battered a team? ANY team, not just a premier league team.
The majority of teams we play will have less expensively assembled squads than us. Almost all of them seem to be able to out-football us.
Even with ZERO money for new transfers, I'm sure we still have a side which has a higher wage bill than many of our peers. Yet our only tactic week after week is to hang on for nil-nil and hope to nick something with crab football.
If we've lost and not replaced our creative players, whose fault is that? Moyes has had 10 years to get some hungry young players with pace into the squad, yet he wastes the money he's been given on defenders that can't get a game and players who do not have the creativity our squad has always cried out for.
Meanwhile Fenerbache and Blackburn benefit from Moyes inability to get on with the players HE purchased.
78 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:12:45
At least he played most season and scored that is more than Straq. has done. I am baffled at Moyes and this Demba Ba history just goes to underline my point ontring how Moyes needs to resign!!!
Moyes: Stevie, I think youre wifes T-srocks on you, though I think it would look better on me.
Round: Damn it, I forgot my "butt plug" with sharp edges at home.
I really wanted to tear myself a new one after Heitingas brain dead own goal.
Moyes:Be quiet, you need to learn some manners, I will teach you along with Heitinga at tonights Whiskey party in my garage.
Round: I have tried and tried with Heitinga but he still insists he is the best defender in the world, and if I suggest he has to play right back then he just head butts me. What can I do??
Moyes:Ahh, you just stand there looking smart, and I will tell him that I will do exactly as he says. Then we will be okay. He has to start performing sooner or later, right?!
Round:Okay Boss, you are probably right as usual.
Moyes: Of course I am. Now do you want me to read you another bed-time story tonight, so you dont worry so much about our defending?
Round: JIPPI, wich one, Charlie and the chocolate factory?
Moyes: Whatever you want son. I feel good today as we waisted another opportunity to get 3 points. I have to remember to go to the bank and get my weekly wages. Maybe we can go shopping for some new underwear for our wives and us?
Round: Great, it has been so long since we did anything together. I pick yours and you pick mine, deal?
Moyes: Sure, cant wait to see what color you are going to pick...
79 Posted 05/11/2011 at 18:58:44
One person connected with the Barcodes relegation side was Steve Round (I think his career was 3 games for Derby at full back) . I am convinced that our coaches destroy any confidence, flair, attacking intensions our lads ever had.
The Yids have Clive Allen, Les Ferdinand and Tim Sherwood. I think everyone will agree that they are currently a lot more entertaining to watch than the tactics demanded by Moyes and Round.
Coleman on the left and Drenthe on the right, I just don´t get it, Drenthe could be our saviour, on the left he can beat a man and cause problems, on the right he just seems to cut inside and then plays a poor pass because by then he is facing the wrong way.
It all started to go wrong 1st game of season, One up front against the mighty QPR who I think had just been hammered in their previous game.
I don´t kow how much more of this shite football I can take.
We can´t afford to sack you. So, David Moyes, please walk ? and take your side-kick with you.
80 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:43:58
Pardew is not shit 90% of the time he is a proven manager, has won things and is in demand AND he has turned a Championship team into a team pushing for honours at the top!
I would bring in Martinez or Poyet personally.
81 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:54:29
cheap option Hughes
better option Lambert/Poyet
82 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:51:46
83 Posted 05/11/2011 at 19:33:56
Firstly,who would come? The new guy would take weeks to find his feet and by then half the season will have passed. Between now and the turn of the year we have 8 games against teams (apart from Arsenal) who are similiar to ourselves and represents our best chance to stay out of the relegation zone. To make a change now may deny this opportunity.
On the other hand, if the next 8 games do not yeild the required number of points to give us more than a fighting chance to avoid the drop, then that may be the time to consider the manager's position. Premier League survival is paramount for our future; without it, we are done for. Give Moyes a chance to turn things around before the New Year. Now is not the time to swing the noose.
84 Posted 05/11/2011 at 20:28:52
"We thought, 'If we're going to get beat, we might as well have a go at them and get beat.'"
Thats what I want from a manager of Everton, not the negative "knife to a gunfight" bollocks. I dont want the Everton manager to be comparing bank balances before determining if we are fit to grace the same football field. Have a bit of belief and have a go FFS!
85 Posted 05/11/2011 at 20:11:08
We were so close a couple of years ago and pushing on even with an average budget. What I would have loved to see is Moyes properly backed in the transfer market and then there could be no debate as to his credentials. We would have either cracked it or Moyes would have shown that whilst he is a premiership manager he is not a great one.
What options did Moyes really have today? Two up front? Vellios showed against Fulham he wasn't ready from the off. I for one trust Moyes totally with young players and for all of those screaming for Barkley name me one young player that has left us to do better things? (please no Rooney answers)
86 Posted 05/11/2011 at 20:38:36
Bill Kenwright, Jon Woods and Robert Earl has not put a SINGLE PENNY into EFC.
87 Posted 05/11/2011 at 20:56:19
88 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:02:22
Like our man Doddy reminds us, Moyes and Kenwright are joined at the hip.
89 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:21:10
Sack Moyes becuase he's won fuck all, then replace with Martinez?
Get a grip.
90 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:19:25
He has been totally let down by the board. When he does walk I think we may all rue the day
91 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:05:57
Err, yeah, or maybe the fact Moyes immediately subbed him after giving away said penalty and harshly banished him to the reserves for weeks for making one mistake might have played it's part in kicking crap out of his confidence. Most other managers would probably have put an arm around the lad, offered him some public support and told him to learn from it and not to worry too much about it.
92 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:27:38
If Moyes walks as a result so beit, but as some on here are quick to point out he's on a hefty wage so I don't necessarily think the two are intertwined.
93 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:36:03
Not everyone is like Wayne Rooney and I can remember when Branch and the like were supposed to be wonderkids and they were put in a struggling team. We know what happened to them next.
Truth is, no-one knows what Moyes has said to Barkley. You're just guessing.
Don't forget, Barkley had nearly the whole of last year out injured as well.
94 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:12:10
This complete cunt should IMO never have been allowed back into Goodison again once rumours of Sheik Mansour being interested us before he acquired Man City proved to be true and he was turned away.
Kenwright and his yes men in the boardroom are a curse on this club.
95 Posted 05/11/2011 at 21:51:20
What Moyes has given us is at least top ten stability for several years now. Working with the same budget, I'm not sure many managers can achieve the same, consistently.
What money he has wasted on Billy, Yakubu etc, were generated from the sale of players he brought in the first place (think Lescott, AJ, McFadden...)
How many people who post here actually see the players more than 90 minutes on the computer? Yet everyone seems to know the form and condition of the Barkley, Gueye, Strac, Heitinga better than the manager!
96 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:19:25
Simon #85 Whose fault is it that Moyes does not have any strikers available.......yes thats right its Moyes fault selling Yak, Vaughan and Beckford and keeping a shit injury prone misfit Saha!
97 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:33:54
Wigan are not good and they're not good to watch.
I've seen them a few times are they are rubbish.
We had to sell because we have no money.
Anyone is for sale at Everton for a certain price.
98 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:36:31
I like his ideas on football but I doubt he'd come having seen through Villa who are better placed than us.
People judging him on Wigan are tools, how they've managed to stay in the Prem is nothing short of a miracle, it's only a matter of time before they fall.
99 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:18:58
If we are still playing spirit crushing anti-football then get him a taxi as well.
We didn't sell out against Utd and there were still tickets on the morning of the derby, if that isn't a wake up call then nothing is.
100 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:40:00
101 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:48:33
I actually think that the integrity of Moyes is such that he works within these constraints making sure we never do a Leeds.
BK & Co out!
102 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:51:23
103 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:56:36
I am so frustrated with David Moyes. He came with the right sound bites at the start and he sorted out a shite squad and instilled some discipline into them. His attitude at one point was to even say why can't we win the league!? Some terrific signings in Arteta and Cahill. He has embraced the whole club and become a fellow blue who will long be associated with this club.
He has always, always, stunk the place out on matchdays. From team selections, to tactics, to substitions he is absolutely shocking! Unimaginative, predictable, and slow to react. I always put this down to lack of experience due to his age and only ever having managed a lower league side. I hoped he would learn, and change.. but he clearly isn't.
He is now defeatist before games, apathetic after them. His team sheets stink and his subs enrage. He is a stubborn man who is steadfast in his ways, even though they are clearly incorrect to many supporters.
He has plateued at his level, and it is a level not good enough for us. Thanks and a time for goodbye soon I hope.
104 Posted 05/11/2011 at 23:23:20
Watched game on Sat night in Brisbane, stone cold sober ( baby sitting ) They came back in 5 mins before the OG...All quiet? yeah and the baby as well...Johnny H and Tim do their thing, That's it, Plan A up the chute, I'm off to bed, I'll watch the rest in the morning ( like a mug ).
Too many players running on empty.
Moyes and Round etc, running on empty.
Kenwright and the Board running on empty.
Many Fans confidence and happiness running on empty.
The Bank balance deffo running on empty.
The Whole fuckin Club running on empty.
The chances of Kenwright and Moyes going...running on empty.
Have I missed anything?
105 Posted 05/11/2011 at 23:50:25
But too much has inertia has accumulated over the last 2,3 or even 4 seasons, and no hope of anything different to come, no season defining tackle on Ronaldo to wind us up, ( how many seasons ago was that? )
This is where we are, an average Gosling who has barely kicked a ball for 18mths and McFadden are playing and looking good compared to us.
106 Posted 06/11/2011 at 00:07:32
Yeah ..you missed one..SUPPORTERS running on empty!
107 Posted 06/11/2011 at 01:02:29
Did I miss something?
When did "rumoors of Sheik Manssoor" being interested ever prove "to be true"?
Catch a fucking grop, fella.
108 Posted 06/11/2011 at 01:06:57
Moyes out and we get relegated or Moyes stays and we remain in the EPL?
See what the responses would be then.
109 Posted 06/11/2011 at 01:37:08
I think it's you who need to catch a fucking grop, 'fella'.
Rumours about Mansour had done the rounds for a while, even a few e mails TW had got hold of pointed to this......and then Kenwright confirmed in his interview with Christian Purslow on Five Live a few weeks back the Mansour had been interested.
110 Posted 06/11/2011 at 01:45:46
Bill said that "if we had been in a new stadium then Sheik Mansoor might have had a look at Everton".
Way, way different from what you are saying, fella.
Thus far no one....but no one....has been able to produce evidence of one credible offer to buy the club.
111 Posted 06/11/2011 at 01:52:54
I have nothing to add.
You speak for me, sir.
112 Posted 06/11/2011 at 01:40:27
I see you wanting too back him but you have to see the steady decline we are in. Selling Arteta,Beckford and Yakubu without a direct replacement, it doesnt lie well with me, I want more for Everton, Moyes first 5-6 years were great but the last year or so gives away all the signs of bad leadership.
The one thing I expect from an Everton manager is that he puts the club before any players wishes, after the manager is suppose to manage the club, not dismantle it slowly, year by year. And the wages that have grown is all because of Moyes putting public pressure on Kenwright to follow his lead, or else..
I hope I am wrong and Moyes turns it around but basing what he has done over the last year or so I feel we are in big danger of going straight down, and I dont want that. I just hope Kenwright sacks him before then or Moyes resigns so that we at least have a fair chance of staying up.
The public opinion is shifting steadily, with each loss and poor performance people will not stay silent forever. That is why it is a good idea to see where people are headed. Do they want him out before the season ends or do they want him to stay no matter what. We will have to wait and see.
I think I am not alone in sensing a pitfall, and based on this post I wrote majority opinion seems to be Moyes out, at least for now anyway. It could well change, but I just cant see what Moyes can do this year, no secret weapons, hidden talent we are heading downwards my fellow Blue.
113 Posted 06/11/2011 at 02:15:37
Keep going with the self-delusion 'fella'.
114 Posted 06/11/2011 at 02:09:46
You're obviously not employed in marketing research.
115 Posted 06/11/2011 at 02:16:49
116 Posted 06/11/2011 at 02:25:22
Do you aspire to relegation?
117 Posted 06/11/2011 at 03:56:14
118 Posted 06/11/2011 at 03:24:17
"I have always been supported by the board. Whenever I've wanted a player they have found the money. It's just that there aren't any players better than what we have here available".
"I decide who leaves the club. It's my decision".
What he hasn't said is "The board won't give me the funds", or "they sold these players behind my back and I don't have any time to get replacements in".
He is responsible for the state of the squad and our present predicament. If this isn't the case, then why hasn't he come out and told the world any different? Even Walter had the guts to publicly criticise the sale of Dunc behind his back.
The shit selection and tactics are down to Moyes and his poxy earpieced friend. Almost all of our squad are internationals or U-21 caps so why are they playing so shite? I say Moyes out, but not if it means Round taking over.
119 Posted 06/11/2011 at 03:58:29
We have a tired and stale manager playing all to predictable football. Time for a change time for something to give. Not looking forward to the Championship thats for sure and that's where it looks like we're heading. Taxi!!!!!
120 Posted 06/11/2011 at 04:45:21
I actually agree with Robin #3, the serious problems lie not with Moyes but with Kenwright. Until that major problem is solved no manager is going to have the right tools to produce an exciting winning team.
121 Posted 06/11/2011 at 04:57:41
Our bench would not get on the bench of any other team in the league. That we had to include 2 players that are injured and 5 that have not played a full game in years speaks volumes.
It's more a case of having tired, stale players that the manager has no option but to use than anything.
122 Posted 06/11/2011 at 05:32:35
Every time Bily plays through the centre he is a different prospect and looks sharp with good footwork and passing ? but that wont happen now. The fact that McFadden and Osman are seen as the most potent attacking weapons shows how pathetic we have become.
41 years supporting the Blues, I dont think I have ever felt so dispirited.
123 Posted 06/11/2011 at 05:19:19
124 Posted 06/11/2011 at 09:45:40
125 Posted 06/11/2011 at 09:44:55
Moyes then says, the goal was a joke! You're the joke, Moyes, you played him there FFS!
Moyes out before it's too late.... we're going down!
126 Posted 06/11/2011 at 10:43:57
When Martinez has Wigan finishing fourth, (exactly as Moyes did in 2004) then i'll acknowledge he's up to our job.
But until then, sacking the manager with those parasites on the board remaining is just pointless.
If your house is crumbling becay
127 Posted 06/11/2011 at 10:51:38
128 Posted 06/11/2011 at 10:57:42
Any of the others I'd be happier with for the relegation battle he's dropped us in.
BTW Lescott, AJ, Arteta, Gosling, Yak all enjoying themselves... don't know about McFadden ? there is life after Moyes.
129 Posted 06/11/2011 at 11:03:03
If this story of his interest were true, then other factors singly or together must have killed any potential deal.
Now I wonder what those factors might have been.
130 Posted 06/11/2011 at 10:54:02
The board have seriously failed to support the manager with funds for players over his tenure - looking at the entirety not just times he has spent
The manager is culpable for some really poor spending - Bily as the major one worth noting, simply doesn't fit into where the manager wants him to play (subjective as to whose fault that is but I'm inclined to say Moyes fault as he clearly ignored his position for previous teams)
Both the board and Moyes are responsible for getting shut of players that offered more than those that they kept - Beckford whilst never a prolific goalscorer still scored more in his cameos than any other striker we had on a per mins on pitch ratio comparison) yet signs up Anichebe on a long term deal when he never has performed in all his years at the club.
Strategies and formations and substitutions, these are down solely to the manager and he abjectly refuses point blank to change his game plan no matter what team he is playing against or how the game is going. Better managers, and there are plenty of them out there, play each game on its own merits and are willing to make game changing substitutions before going behind in games just in order to try to salvage a draw.
The argument of Moyes seeing things at Finch Farm we don't is a complete and utter misnomer given the simple and undeniable truth that he still plays out of form players and injured players over others, it is either a case of those players are much better even injured (despite what we see every week in poor performances from the injured out of form players) and the remainder shouldn't be on the payroll and sold OR he is simply too stubborn to play other players and retain his favoured at all costs lineup - either way those are failures.
131 Posted 06/11/2011 at 11:13:26
132 Posted 06/11/2011 at 11:26:15
Team selection yesterday and substitutions were once again a joke.
133 Posted 06/11/2011 at 11:41:48
"I was a Moyes supporter" "I have backed him".
No you haven't, you just post on an internet forum pouring scorn on and berating good Evertonians who don't do what you want to do from your armchair in Norway, and then act holier than thou by adopting some sort of moral high ground when it doesn't pan out as you want.
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I have challenged you before on here to actually come into the midst of Everton fans, say in front of the Winslow or Gwladys street School, and start your rabble rousing there. I haven't noticed anyone doing that yet, though I did see a clown with a cake a few weeks ago.
Anyone is entitled to opinion around our current situation but snidely denigrating Evertonians as you consistently do on this site sticks in my craw. You - and I think you are the only one who does this consistently - criticise Evertonians when others criticise the manager or the board. To me, this is unacceptable.
Follower of Everton you may be, "Supporter" you clearly are not
134 Posted 06/11/2011 at 11:47:33
135 Posted 06/11/2011 at 12:05:41
We are all supporters of Everton FC and have the right to our own opinions. And if you don't think that there is a rapidly growing anti-Moyes feeling around the place then you must be walking round with your fingers in your ears and your eyes closed
136 Posted 06/11/2011 at 11:31:23
Have always found your interventions fair and inciteful. Cannot disagree with any of them in this stream. But dont you think that the players selected need to take some responsibility forthe lack of movement , poor passing, crossing, communications, and powder puff or wild shooting. The excuses cannot be put down to tactics ,selection etc .Yesterday we had a fair number of chances which were all wasted. For me its time for the team to step up and take resonsibility and be accountable for the wages they get.
137 Posted 06/11/2011 at 12:08:54
Read my post - especially the bit that says
"Anyone is entitled to opinion around our current situation but snidely denigrating Evertonians..." and see if you can comprehend that bit more clearly.
And yes I do make a distinction around the word "supporter" as active particpation as the lifeblood of the club and who can actually make a difference and "follower" which is clearly passive.
You seem to have read that as me saying that some people's opinions count for more, which I was not saying here.
138 Posted 06/11/2011 at 12:22:59
If you look back over the last 10 years, however, Wigan have spent just £10M, while Moyes has spent £42M.
So, you can add me to the list of people who would have Martinez in ahead of Moyes. If we're going to get relegated, I'd rather go down fighting and playing proper football rather than with this uninspiring shite we're forced to endure season after season.
Moyes has often wasted the money he has been given. Look at the £23M he got for lescott. £15M of that went on Bily and Heitinga. Neither of those are bad players, but they just dont give us anything we need. Hence when we play them they look completely awful because they barely get a game and when they do play they're often played out of position.
Why didn't Moyes spend that £15M on quality wingers/creative players like Donovan, Ben Arfa for example? Players we've been crying out for ever since Moyes took charge? That way, we can afford to let Pienaar and Arteta leave without having ZERO creativity and pace in our squad. The fact we rely on our left back for the majority of our creativity is a damning indictment of Moyes tenure.
Look how much of a different side we looked with Donovan in it. All it takes is a bit of pace and multiple threats which makes a side difficult to nullify.
If I was a rich investor I certainly wouldn't be pumping money into the current Everton regime, just to see how many fucking defenders £100M will buy you.
139 Posted 06/11/2011 at 13:08:53
Let's at least wait until we have a normal run of games, before judging a whole season
140 Posted 06/11/2011 at 13:20:07
We've not played well against any team, regardless of their resources vs ours. We got battered at blackburn and fulham this season so far. There will be more of that to come.
Looking longer term I can't recall the last time we comfortably won a game without a nail biting finish. This Everton side which is full of international quality players does not know how to beat a side 2 or 3 nil. All it knows in every single game is to try to keep it tight, nick something(usually from a set-piece), then defend that 1 goal lead for the rest of the game.
Even when we play lower league opposition we often struggle and get out-footballed, as Brentford showed us a season or so ago. That's not Moyes being starved of resources, that's Moyes not having confidence in his players and not having a clue about how to set his side out to create chances.
Moyes was the man for the job 10 years ago. He's been shit ever since he signed his bumper 70k/week contract. Now we're getting into really dangerous territory where relegation is a very probable reality unless we get change.
141 Posted 06/11/2011 at 13:27:29
United hadn't beaten us at Goodison for a number of years but we were quite powder puff agaisnt them.
It isn't the defeats that is so dispiriting... it is the manner of them.
142 Posted 06/11/2011 at 13:39:12
What would be a normal run of games? Would that be against teams below us?
143 Posted 06/11/2011 at 13:36:30
I personally think we'll end this season somewhere in the middle. I think it has all gone stale under Moyes but I think changing managers mid season would be a bit risky. I don't trust BK not to make a complete mess of it.
A planned change at the end of the season would be my choice. Though in fairness BK would likely mess that up too.
144 Posted 06/11/2011 at 13:29:48
For all the board's failings in providing financial support to Moyes, that is no excuse at all for Moyes's rubbish tactics starting the likes of Coleman in midfield every game when he's really an attacking full back (certainly not a left mid) or playing Saha when he hasn't really merited his place in the starting 11. There are so many questions you ask about Moyes' tactics and it all boils down to his negativity. Where is Magaye Gueye for instance? He is a winger and has been banging in goals for the reserves, but Moyes puts Coleman outwide instead and then McFadden!
For all Moyes's plaudits, what does this tell you about his signing of Bily if these players are ahead of him in the pecking order? Yet we all know at home against poor opposition in our next game, we'll still have Coleman playing, a defender in midfield, one upfront and then we'll most probably do the usual gung ho approach at the end to try and grab a last-ditch result!
145 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:01:42
146 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:15:33
I would love to know where you got your statistics from on spending because since 2003 Moyes has spent £110 million including two seasons of no spend at all which was self induced.
147 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:34:08
148 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:40:51
Moyes's teams over the past 3 years have played dire defensive unimaginative football and yet he is still lauded as the greatest manager the world has ever seen. If that were so, why haven't any of the BIG clubs come a calling? Because, my friends, he is not really that good a manager when it comes down to winning.
He just hasn't got that little extra to take it to the next level and I think those that know, know that. Spurs will not touch him with a barge pole. The only place left for him to go after Everton is back to Scotland either as the National Manager, which I don't think he would take, or to Celtic. And all I would say is "Bye Bye, Davey, Take the fucking high road and don't come back."
149 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:49:42
It is not praise for the chairman or indeed damming of the chairman; it is just a fact.
You have interpreted it as a postive by the looks of your post, not my own.
Moyes's nil spend over two seasons was because he was happy with what he had; instead of getting rid of Bily and Heitinga then reinvesting, he kept them and went stale.
Bily and Heitinga are dead weight at the club and should have left a long time ago.
150 Posted 06/11/2011 at 15:06:26
151 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:59:13
Bily is Moyes's worst pound for pound signing, and it was a gamble that has clearly failed.
But since then he hasn't had a bean to spend, with players leaving left right and centre.
Do you honestly believe he wouldn't have loved to have retained or at least replaced Pienaar and also add a quality striker? Unfortunately for any manager they usually cost money...which thanks to Blue Bill and his 10 year plan of growth (based on the Greek financial model)...we have none, zilch!
I just can't see past Kenwright and his cronies, for Everton's decline in fortunes.
152 Posted 06/11/2011 at 15:29:25
There is clearly conflict between your statistics and my own.
A resonable bid for Billy would be 0 get him of the wage bill he offers nothing and get someone in who can, same for Heitinga. I honetsly believe we could have had both of them out the club at a loss and be better of for it there has been a few decent players available on frees maybe Moyes was too stubborn to admit his mistakes..
There is nothing to say Moyes is not going to have a few £ to spend in the January window everyone thought we had nothing to give Moyes before we spent 15 million on Fellaini.
153 Posted 06/11/2011 at 15:44:05
As for Bily, I honestly think he gets a lot of stick and its not all his fault. Remember how awful Jags was in centre mid? We all know that he's a half-decent centre half.
Well Bily playing as a winger is in exactly the same situation. He doesn't have the footballing ability to play there. He has no pace and he doesn't have the dribbling/agility of a pienaar. Moyes should have known this before he spent £9M of our money on him. Its entirely Moyes fault that we have not seen the best of him.
154 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:21:35
155 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:46:49
That lying, useless, grey-haired, tossbag and the rest of his clueless board, need to get the fuck out of the club now.
156 Posted 06/11/2011 at 16:25:13
nett per season=£200k,Wigan
157 Posted 06/11/2011 at 17:10:15
158 Posted 06/11/2011 at 17:38:30
159 Posted 06/11/2011 at 17:49:42
Why do you think the majority believe in the manager?
160 Posted 06/11/2011 at 14:53:42
Moyes may have out-stayed his welcome but BB will never sack him and its the safest job in the Prem.
The players have been a disgrace this season, they should be ashamnd match tactics.
It's clear to anyone that Strac and Gueye will never start a game unless half the squad dies.
Our club is a a disgrace; Kenwright, Woods et al have destroyed it and now want to make millions before they go. THEY HAVE INVESTED NOTHING into Everton
Moyes to stay for now, Kenwright to fuck off ASAP.
161 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:17:58
Because they have been brainwashed by the media to believe that Moyes is doing his best with no money to spend.
162 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:21:21
If we finish high in the league then the media say that Moyes has done brilliantly with no money. If the club are near the bottom then they say that what do you expect he has no money.
There is no pressure on Moyes whatsoever.
Does anyone agree with my view that Moyes's post match interview after Newcastle showed a disinterested attitude.
163 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:23:54
No chance they've taken a long hard look at it & made their own minds up. Perhaps you should do an article on "anti-brainwashing techniques" for us lesser mortals who are obviously much more gullible than you.
164 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:30:20
More like they are brain dead after the mind numbing tactics they are having to endure.
165 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:32:25
How come you ain't affected? Better man?
166 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:34:41
Mental strength and a refusal to be brainwashed. I've read 1984 !
167 Posted 06/11/2011 at 18:37:19
So the great unwashed of the majority of Blues don't have mental strength & have'nt read a book?
168 Posted 06/11/2011 at 19:05:40
169 Posted 06/11/2011 at 19:05:40
170 Posted 06/11/2011 at 19:22:00
171 Posted 06/11/2011 at 19:14:55
172 Posted 06/11/2011 at 19:14:55
173 Posted 06/11/2011 at 21:31:17
174 Posted 06/11/2011 at 22:19:25
Sick of hearing who would you have instead.
Currently, I know more about footy than Moyes.
A midfield of Neville, Osman, Coleman, Drenthe and Rodwell shows he hasn't got a clue.
175 Posted 06/11/2011 at 23:07:18
The other thing I'd like to suggest is that Moyes would only walk if he didn't think he could keep us up. Putting aside any frustrations you have with his tactics etc its widely known that Moyes works like a machine. He puts in massive hours and has a great work ethic. He has also stated many a time how much he respects the club, the fans and Bill.
I honestly think that Moyes's dedication and work ethic is as strong as reported. I think he wouldn't even be considering walking at the moment. He would see it as letting people down. He looks like a beaten man at times but I wouldn't be shocked if he was working even harder at the moment.
176 Posted 06/11/2011 at 22:04:06
But, regardless of whether BK is at fault for wider failings at the club, regardless of the terrible impact of pathetic funding for the last three transfer windows, Moyes DOES still have a squad capable of better things than the way we have completed over a quarter of this season. How can you ignore the guys increasingly depressive appearances before the cameras ? He looks and sounds a beaten man BEFORE we start games, he sounds resigned afterwards. He's picking defensive line ups that have a feel of desperation and just doesn't seem able to change things and give us that extra gear.
But it is of course nonsense not to link this to the performance of certain players this season. Cahill hasn't scored for nearly a year, Phil zneville, never the greatest but a very good skipper, looks like he's gone backwards. Saha looks classy but just for a few minutes of most games. The superb Bainsey remains our best player by a country mile but even his game is off this season. Fellani is a class act but he lacks consistency during games and Jags is clearly in a poor run of form. Taken together Moyes has a lot on his plate but truth is he just won't or can't "give it a go", he seems incapable of risking getting blathered. Me? I'd accept a going over cos we got caught out going forward too much.... if in the next two games the tactic produced four or six points.
This debate isn't about DM getting sacked, it ain't going to happen, it's about whether Moyes can pick up on mass fan anger and frustration at his approach and change things, take a few risks. It's about resting some players and again, taking risks by giving young Ross a run in the centre of midfield and accepting some mistakes in the hope of better things to come. Rodwell is only just starting to show a little of the form that generated all that OTT hype. He and RB in the centre? Why not give it a go? Why not change the approach and turn out less defensive line ups, particularly at home.
The ownership row will rumble on. Finances will remain dire this year and probably next. What really matters NOW is that we stay up and in the process look to rediscover that fighting spirit that seems to have deserted us ? Moyes, BK won't sack you so....you have a huge responsibility to us and him...get stuck in and pull it round.
177 Posted 07/11/2011 at 00:12:56
I think I agree to that!
But we still need them both gone, Moyes and that twat Kenwright...
178 Posted 07/11/2011 at 01:15:24
Well the problem is they are the most experienced players we have available. Just look at our bench and who is on it? 2 injured players and 5 who haven't had a game in a couple of years.
Who would YOU put in instead? Bily who gets slated? and Gueye who hasn't had a start yet? They are the 2 midfielders on the bench besides the injured Cahill who clearly needs a rest.
179 Posted 07/11/2011 at 03:20:41
180 Posted 07/11/2011 at 11:54:25
Looking at our fixtures from now until 1 February, there is only one game in the Premier League from now until then that we should even come close to losing and that is against Arsenal away. Apart from that, I expect us to now win all of our games up until 1 February which would take us to 40 points.
181 Posted 07/11/2011 at 12:58:53
I am losing patience with Moyes, Kenwright, they can preach they got no money, but this isn;t all about that, but when you have a group of players and your not using them to their best abilities, then that's the managers fault not doing a good enough job.
I think Moyes and Kenwright are too friendly and comfortable at Everton, they say they have a unique relationship, well thats not healthy, if anyone is in a job and they don't get pushed by the bosses above to acheive, you become complacent, this is what is happening at everton, negative thinking is all over the place with manager, owner, and its filtering down to the players and knocking their confidence.
It;s sad to see the state of our club, but Moyes and Kenwright are to blame.
We need a change, and fast.
182 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:35:39
183 Posted 07/11/2011 at 13:31:19
Brendan,I'm sure that the majority of fans on toffeeweb would want Moyes sacked and i only wish it did represent the majority of our fan base but i think there are still to many out there who defend Moyes with the no money excuse,hands tied behind your back bullshit.Why do i think the majority of fans believe in the manager?I think the relegation battles from previous seasons have bread contempt in our supporters but the main reason is the media.Moyes is never criticised for his mistakes yet is applauded for his achievements.
184 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:29:32
185 Posted 07/11/2011 at 14:50:51
I'm convinced Gueye would do not worse than what the current team are doing, yet he doesn't even get on the bench? Considering we are in debt, we've missed out on millions on the way we've handled the departures of Gosling, Pienaar, Yobo and Yak and so we have no money to replace them!
186 Posted 07/11/2011 at 17:49:33
It's illegal to smoke that as well.
187 Posted 08/11/2011 at 05:29:43
With Bily, Moyes took a chance on an experienced international player on the recommendation of his experienced national coach. It hasn't worked out, or maybe it could still if he's played in the right position.
That's where Moyes fails, putting the players he's got into the right positions.
Maybe Gueye would improve our team, or maybe he will be just like the last flavour of the month Velios, who could only last one half of a match against Fulham. And then who have we got to call on from the bench? still the same players that you think are not good enough!!!!
188 Posted 09/11/2011 at 19:50:53
(like a light preferably)
189 Posted 09/11/2011 at 19:56:29
190 Posted 10/11/2011 at 04:42:51
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