So Moyes's post match comment is ''he is satisfied despite the defeat''.
Doesn't that just take the biscuit?
How many times must we need convincing about his negative attitude. If he is satisfied then the players must be also, as to be unsatisfied might show they are against him and that might warrant a fine or a dropping!!
Seriously though, this is just pathetic from a man who not too many seasons ago was held in high esteem by some.
Is there absolutely anything we can look forward to, either this season or next, except maybe his warranted sacking and a big investor coming in?
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797 Posted 12/01/2012 at 02:01:10
This just about sums up Moyes, his players, tactics and his bad decisions regarding transfers (Yakubu).
807 Posted 12/01/2012 at 03:03:08
Even if we are a sinking ship, some flair and ambition on the pitch would go a long way to some.
The only highlight I took from that Match was Neville's tackle....that's it...
809 Posted 12/01/2012 at 03:00:43
I played 6-a-side on Tuesday night. We lost 5-4. I scored 4. Was I satisfied at the end of the game? No, I was totally fucking pissed off that we lost. But then again I am a bad loser. But as a wise man once said "show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser".
Surely only a loser would be satisfied with a defeat. With every game that passes, the high regard I once had for Moyes sinks lower and lower and lower.
811 Posted 12/01/2012 at 04:01:46
It appears he is incapable of making the required changes to personnel and the syle of play. Continually playing Saha and Cahill is not the answer, he has players on his staff I believe can perform better than the ones being played week after week.
817 Posted 12/01/2012 at 04:48:42
I believe we aren't one of the worst 3 teams in the league 3 of the aforementioned are, so I believe we probably won't be relegated and will pick up more points in the 2nd half of the season but this simply isn't good enough.
It's starting to be not just Kenwright and the board I want out, I'm really starting to question how much I want Moyes around here because if we were lucky enough to get some new owners who actually invested in the club (I know the stuff of dreams right, owners who actually invest it's crazy talk) and Moyes was given say the war chest of Sunderland or since we are being hypothetical say Tottenham then would he even be able to spend it very well as most of his big money signings haven't been his best!
832 Posted 12/01/2012 at 07:03:18
834 Posted 12/01/2012 at 07:28:15
"The players did everything they were asked to do."
Well, David, maybe you should ask them to actually go after the ball rather than watch it into the feet of the opposition. Or, if they do everything they are asked to, why don't you simply ask them to score some goals?
835 Posted 12/01/2012 at 07:32:14
836 Posted 12/01/2012 at 07:30:40
The question we should be asking is could another manager get more out of our squad/better use our squad - I think that the answer to that is yes.
842 Posted 12/01/2012 at 07:52:29
851 Posted 12/01/2012 at 08:51:46
Even playing 442 we still looked shit, how Saha is still getting 90mins is an insult! Play a kid from the under 18s he would be more use! As for Billy, iv always gave him the benefit of doubt because hes not a left winger and Moyes insists on playing there, but after playing against Tamworth in centre midfield and playing shite then playing shite against Spurs in left wing when Drenthe n Gueye are the bench is criminal!
Moyes comments dont suprise me as its clear his heart isnt in it anymore. Wish hed leave so I can continue to at least respect him as with each passing game it feels like hes just trying to piss us all off!
855 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:09:10
In this instance, I find it hard to point the finger at the players, especially when Moyes said that last night they played how he wanted them to! Not a shot on target in anger? Is that what he wants? Really?
I know he has been crapped on from a great height for years now by our beloved chairman, but the buck stops with him in my opinion. Either motivate the team to have a go, or do the decent thing and resign!
857 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:17:57
I doubt we will be able to put a full subs bench out at the weekend.
No money again for the 3rd straight season. Unfortunately he feels some loyalty to the players he signed and for some unknown reason he probably feels some loyalty to us....you know the fans who call his a coward etc
I expect a O'Neill exit, "Where's the money?" or he will see out his contract and do one.
All these people mentioning his wages, who are the dopes who rubber stamped it? The fuckwits running the club.
861 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:37:02
With all our injuries and threadbare squad, I expected nothing.
Our regular first-teamers know there is no pressure on their place in the side, a recipe for football by numbers.
We are sinking in quicksand, let's give Bill a round of applause.
864 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:46:21
We genuinely tried to win the match and had Louis hit the target with two good chances and we get the rub with Roystons pen then we get something. all if and buts but sometimes that's how it is.
I was gutted watching because it's shows how far back we have gone and how far forward Spurs have moved when we have had the beating of them the past 3/4 years.
I'd have played Vellios ahead of Saha, but even then their main striker earns in 4 days what we paid for the kid.
865 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:55:50
867 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:55:03
I want Moyes to go ASAP, I cannot stand his his sulking defeatism, and it's only getting worse as the season goes on. He that fella won £99m on the Euro Lottery he'd complain and sulk that it wan't £100m.
870 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:58:31
I don't think many of us expected to get a result last night but to compound it with statements like that, to me, more than illustrates that he either doesn't give a shit anymore or he's playing a dangerous game with our club and trying to shame Kentwat into doing something about it.
We can all see it on here that our 'football' this year has been poor to put it politely. Nearly every other team you watch highlights of can, at least at some point during a match, attack with purpose and pace and finish with an attempt on target. Why can't we do it? Just what the hell do they do each day in training? Bet Moyes and Round are made up there's no public footpath going past Finch Farm like Man City. Stop even more people from taking the piss! I seem to remember many years ago videos being shown to the squad of past glories, big victories to just to show again what this club means to everyone. Maybe that might be a start followed by putting up huge pictures of what a goalmouth looks like.
I woke up in not too bad a mood today but fuck me my veins are ready to pop now. Don't know what I'll be like when the Neville/Cahill public relations machine gets going! AARRGHH!!!!!!
872 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:16:26
At least he won't waste of his piss poor transfer budget on some central midfielder who isn't as good as the players we already have at the club. Oh hang on........
873 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:44:56
If I got total honesty I would still buy my ticket. If I got total effort from the Board I would still buy my ticket. If we had a team that was as good as it possibly could be in the circumstances I would still buy my ticket. To an extent I understood the sale of Yakubu and the others. The club were under pressure from the bank to repay some of the debt and that was the only way it could be done in the short term. In a way I could even understand the Fortress debacle as a way of getting rid of boardroom strife which seemed at the time to have its origins in Gregg, a downright lie but maybe (or so I thought at the time) a necessary one.
However, the sale of Arteta and the lies around it has done it for me. Like somebody else has already said, it seemed like good business at the time, he had given us his best years. The club went to great pains to explain that Arteta didn't need to be sold and that they didn't want to sell him. The move was at his request and the money would be available for Moyes and we could possibly get a couple of half decent players out of the proceeds. I was banking on that to rescue this season as well as rekindling my enthusiasm.
The club wrung an apology out of the Echo for suggesting the Arteta money would not be going to the bank and would not be made available for the manager. The club's assertion that it would be made available to Moyes was a downright lie, a lie that with the best will in the world and all the contorted thoughts I can muster I can not find an excuse or reason for. And now we have Moyes lying too. It must be catching. He tells us everybody knew the money would be going to the bank.
Oh no we didn't Davey, because we were told it would be made available to you. Do you take us for fucking fools? If the bank wanted £10m from the club how does that square with not having to sell the player who brought that money in? If you didn't have to sell him how would the club have got that £10m to repay to the bank? If everybody knew the money was going to the bank then why ask the Echo for an apology for saying just that?
For me, the benefit of the doubt I was always happy to lend to the club has evaporated because now there is no doubt. There is no doubt that the club is run by incompetent liars. Incompetent in running the business and that is why they have to lie, time and time again.
I tried to find a way of getting this message onto the official site but can't send any message at all without registering and I can't be arsed doing that. It would probably be moderated away anyway. Does anybody have an email address I could use apart from the box-office one that I already have?
I just want to tell the club that I have given up. There will be no season ticket for me next year. And I would like to see their reply....if I got one.
878 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:12:17
Do they not understand English ?
These closet Kenwright supporters who spend their time trying to deflect the blame need to grow some bollocks, at least have the courrage to stand up and say where they stand.
Maybe when we dont have enough players left to field a side the penny willl drop.
Moyes had to send arl has beens like Neville, Cahill, Saha - not to mention 35 year old Distin against an expensively assembled Spurs team full of pace, power and skill . .yet these people want to continue to deflect the blame away from the guy responsible for that.
I sometime think these lads at BU are pissing against the wind
880 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:39:19
I have been lambasted by freinds, family and Toffeeweb for my actions but what else can I do?
I am so unhappy with EFC at the moment that I did not even listen to the match last night as the result was inevitable. In fact, the performance was inevitable, try and nick a goal.
Every game Moyes manages he goes for nil-nil.
Can't write any more as too pissed off to be bothered.
Will miss Everton, but as I said before, what can I do?
882 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:38:48
Who is responsible for that? Is it Bill or is it the manager?.
883 Posted 12/01/2012 at 09:57:53
What possible excuse or sensible reason can there possibly be why the fruit of his decade long tenure as manager is a team of highly paid professionals cannot take a single shot on target in three games.
What the hell does he and his cohorts do at Finch Farm that results in such a shameful statistic.
Kenwright is quick to blame fans who protest yet is quite happy for those same fans to pay good money only to suffer Moyes anti football regime.
At present he can and does use injuries as justification for his bog standard ineptitude but his performance was equally as bad when we were injury free.
885 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:51:08
887 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:51:05
Lets try to keep facts straight while we wail and gnash our teeth.
888 Posted 12/01/2012 at 10:46:40
Most clubs would want to keep the sevices and utilise the experience of players like Cahill and Neville, they could prove invaluable in helping newer, younger players develop at the football club . .but we dont buy any younger newer players, we are asking these guys to do a job they did five years ago.
Who`s to blame for that ? Well I believe thats just about incontestable.
889 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:00:55
Why can you never ever accept any critisim of him ?
Are you an Everton fan or David Moyes fan ?
891 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:05:04
892 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:03:48
We all go and watch the games so to have Moyes tell us were playing quite well lately and Anichebe has the potential to be top class and many more? Football is a game of opinions but i am afraid Moyes talks more shite than Liverpool fans. Rather than insult fans intelligence it would be better to say nothing or even send Round to do interviews as i doubt even he could talk as much shite as Moyes.
893 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:13:18
Circa 10 and 12 years these 2 have been in control, the false dawn has well and truly gone.
Propaganda surrounding the Arteta transfer is the final act of desperate men.
Shamefully It really is about Prem survival now.
895 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:29:15
897 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:31:46
898 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:17:13
It's not very edifying for those involved.
I could just about understand this, some would argue OTT criticism of Kenwright - but David Moyes?.. nope, leave me out of that one.
Try this little trick if you're bored with mouth foaming: If you list all of the teams since the Premier League began in order of the amount of money they've spent on players, something remarkable emerges... The average finishing position almost exactly mirrors the amount of money they've spent on players... I say almost - because one team bucks the trend:
When Moyes goes at the end of this season (and go he will) It's going to be interesting to see if this trend of beating the spending odds continues - I'm not so sure it will. In fact, if we don't find a benefactor we're probably going to find out how low we've sunk.
Sad times to be a blue.
901 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:05:16
It cost me the best part of 200 quid to get to last nights match and I spent most of it screaming at Moyes.
I`ll accept poor form if somebody is giving his best, but I feel physically sick when I see people like Bily and his shoulders shrugging, couldnt give a fuck attitude. I want to put my fist into Moyse`s face when he lets this go on while Drenthe is sitting right behind him.
When young Duffy made to look foolish and was jeered by the home crowd because not one of the senior pros came to his assistance, I was so angry with Moyes for not bolocking the lot of them, I was actually told to calm down by a Stewart.
Do you really think I am blind to his flaws ? Do you really think ANYBODY is ?
I hate whats happening at our club at the moment, but I feel ashamed when I read and hear people talking of their "hatred" for the manager. I will continue to support him, because I believe this "hatred" is both unfair and misplaced and can only be detrimental to EFC.
This manager is not one of us, he`s a hired hand, but I think he is an honourable man does a decent job working under impossible circumstances and I will not participate in the daily ritual of distorting and twisting everything he says and does.
I repeat anybody who has read or heard this interview and came to the conclusion that Moyes was "satisfied with the result" is either being DELIBERATELY unfair, misreading the article, or is just stupid.
904 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:43:16
They are arl, They are has-beens, but they are also vastly experienced and can be invaluable to this club.
Why does it have to be either /or ?
905 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:38:59
Its not all about money and Moyes has done well in previous seasons but the situation today with the first team is a problem brought about by bringing players threw or into the Club who lack the basics of first touch awareness and players who have no confidence in whatever ability they may have.
Moyes brought some outstanding players to the Club on the same shoestring so he himself has proved its not impossible to build a team capable of competing with the Leagues best.
907 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:31:57
He said..."Everybody knows there's no money as David Moyes has been saying this for the past few weeks.'" Well, I'm sorry, but why did the club bully the local paper to print a retraction when the Echo dared to suggest this statement to be true just a few months back? This is what should be investigated, and if it isn't then collusion between club and local sports journalists is my only assumption.
Until sports journalists grow a pair and stop suck holing the club...probably through fear of jeopardising their cosy and safe relationship with the manager and Chairman, then the local media charade will continue apace.
My advice for you Evertonians who seek change is to continue demanding accountability and transparency, both of your club and the local sporting media. Good luck.
908 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:54:17
909 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:01:47
910 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:04:38
911 Posted 12/01/2012 at 11:30:04
So im really asking myself now, what's the fucking point.?
All those stay away Evertonians are way ahead of me, They have seen this coming before i did, put it down to blind loyalty or whatever the reason, but it stops now.
I give on Everton as they are, in thier current situation,i will not be going back to goodison again until something positive happens.
For those of you who will say, you never give up on your team, ill say this. Ive been going to goodison for 45 years, and this is some of the worst football ive seen in that time.
David Moyes no longer deserves to be in charge of this football club. The job has become too big for him, and this club is too big for David Moyes.
912 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:04:21
Because by saying nothing he is just dropping further and further down in my estimation and also ruining his reputation.
Proud and honourable man maybe.
But for fucks sake David give kenwright both barrells in the press soon please. You must yourself put him under pressure.
914 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:16:08
917 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:12:05
918 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:22:41
919 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:24:04
Moyes needs to stop towing the corporate line and start pointing fingers.
921 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:39:40
Wrong spelling of epitome. Do I win the cigar?
922 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:35:46
Speaking of Preston, remember the Preston Perspective article published on this site years ago, the views of a Preston fan who said Moyes had earned the nickname Dithering Dave during his time at Deepdale? Well as has been demonstrated during his time at Everton he really does dither, wether it's transfers, substitutions, or his own fucking 65k contract - why do people expect him to suddenly turn on Kenwright!? Calm down people he is thinking about it!
Ideal scenario for me would be his resignation citing lack of boardroom support, hey presto we are free of a stale uninspiring defeatist football manager and then the tide of the pro Moyes and Kenwright group would surely turn on Billy Bullshitter and make his position very very uncomfortable and hasten his exit. We can then at least hope that things may get better because we are only going one way right now.
923 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:45:18
924 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:38:31
We will offer you;
Under performing staff
A chairman with no concept of running the company
You'll have to sell assets before we can buy, and those we sell will pay off the bank debts first.
But we still want you to perform above a reasonale expectation because we used to be great.
No one would touch us unless they are coming up from the lower leagues and there is a massive risk there - lets not forget that when we got Moyes from Preston he was given money to spend. Anyone coming in would have to sell Rodwell, Fellaini, Baines and Barkley and try to build a team that could stay in the league.
Kenwright + Football = Relegation or worse, administration.
925 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:47:11
926 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:47:47
927 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:49:01
As Everton Manager
Win ratio 41.56%
Lose ratio 33%
928 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:37:03
929 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:47:58
The saddest thing for me is that watching Everton doesn't even make me angry anymore, I bet I could call the game blindfolded and pretty much get Moyes decisions, tactics and subs right give or take 5 mins!
931 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:54:12
932 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:46:14
The two Villa fans I sit opposite are drooling about Saturday (the match... not their weekly visit to KFC).
935 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:17:28
937 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:01:13
One definition renders them not good enough while the other makes them useful.
With our current wage expenditure (Smallest squad in Premier league, yet nowhere near the smallest wage bill!) these two will be among the highest earners and are literally contributing nothing NOW, will only get even worse with old age yet both are here for another 2/3 years on a guaranteed weekly wage. (£4 million between them?)
Like you said in an earlier post, there are no new young players being bought in and the youngsters we do have are constantly overlooked for these "has beens", yet their experience can help IF we sign young players.... we don't. So they are NOT useful then!!
Kenwright is the public figurehead for the other idiots in charge and Moyes is the puppet that Kenwright controls. They are all complicit and part of the same problem..
939 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:28:48
Saha is missing shots all over the show but it's Moyes's fault (he would be booted to the kerb if we had a replacement for him but replacements cost money)
944 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:41:53
946 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:49:58
947 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:28:41
Do you really think he will be the Messiah once we get some big investment?
Forget the excuses given by some regarding injuries. Every club has their share. We are in desperate need of change and it has to be now with Moyes.
950 Posted 12/01/2012 at 14:01:33
A few years back he was doing it but was also gradually reducing the average age of our side. Never mind that that team didn't manage to achieve what it could have, at least it was a plan.
Right now it feels like Moyes is waiting for something to happen. Just troting out shite sides until something better comes along. Whether that's because he thinks we'll get taken over or because he knows he's walking as soon as he can I don't know.
We learn nothing from these selections and we gain nothing. Wouldn't it be better to blood a few youngsters in these times?
952 Posted 12/01/2012 at 13:50:59
I think he should have his brain examined if he was "satisfied with the performance" as it wasn't any better than what we've seen, but I wouldn't accept that he's happy to lose.
Tim Spring, if I were a manager in need of a job, it's quite an easy bargain. "Your last manager was on 65k/week. I'll accept a regular manager's wage of say, 30k/week, as long as we can put the other 35k toward wages of players." There's a start. Moyes is the highest paid squad employee, yet he cries that he can't afford wages for loanees. Fuck him.
Dick Fearon, could not have put it better myself mate.
960 Posted 12/01/2012 at 14:10:05
Scholes, Giggs Lampard, Henry, are just the latest in a very very long list of players who have gone way past their best and are no longer first choice players, but they have, will and are usefull to their clubs.
The very best coaches in the world keep these type of players around their teams, although most of them wouldnt dream of starting them every week . Luckily - for them - none of them work for a chairman who cannot provide them with alternatives.
What would you have Moyes do ? Terminate their contracts and pay them anyway ?
Your constant defence of Kenwright is admirable. but you wont convince me. When Moyes leaves Everton somebody will pay him millions to stay in the game. When Kenwright leaves, the only way he stays in the game is if he is the one paying the millions.
It appears the puppet is in far greater demand than the puppet master.
I think that fact alone should silence all the Kenwright supporters . .unfortunately, I know it wont, next time Moyes says anything it will be twisted and distorted all over again, the usual suspects will be all over it and we`ll have our intelligence insulted again by claims of Kenwright being JUST the figure head
962 Posted 12/01/2012 at 14:04:37
Should we replace him? Maybe, but we would still be in the same financial mess without the spending power to replace some of the deadwood (Bily - and yes I know Moyes signed him, I'm sure he regrets that everyday) and the 30+ players.
I've never referred or thought of Moyes as the 'messiah' but if he had a reasonable transfer kitty (say from the 10m from Arteta and the 1.5 from Yak) to go and purchase another Arteta 2m, Pienaar 2.5 and a defoe for circa 6m would I expect our fortunes to change under Moyes? Yes, and I would argue the style of football would improve with that type of player also.
Unfortunately, it's all hypothetical as we don't, and don't look like, having anything in the near future. And whoever is in charge has to forage around the lower leagues and Europe for cheap punts or loans.
Replacing Moyes may provide a sticking plaster, short term solution, but while Kenwright and the current board are left to oversee the running and selling of the club, we are likely to be in this mess for years to come.
2.5 years no spend! It's ridiculous, outrageous and frankly embarrassing for the 4th most successful club in English football. We should keep the pressure on Kenwright to stay true to his word and release some, if not all of the Arteta fee and his promise to sell the club.
964 Posted 12/01/2012 at 14:44:30
969 Posted 12/01/2012 at 14:49:03
They do not know who is going to be sold next.
Moyes is desparately hanging onto players he knows he should replace because he knows if they are sold he will not be able to get a replacement in.
Moyes and the squad are all dead men walking and it shows.
It is a credit to the man that he carries on.
Do you know any other decent manager who would come in under such circumstances.
Billy liar needs to go first and then when we have a plan for the club should we consider a change of manager.
The Spurs game last night is not a fair barometer to judge anybody.
Did any supporter truly expect a better performance than the one we put on.
975 Posted 12/01/2012 at 14:34:53
As for 'honourable man', Moyes is sitting there collecting an obscene amount of money from OUR skint club without earning it... RBS, Northern Rock?
Tim Spring, you say no manager would come here because of all our financial problems, but that would be the sort of man we need: a fighter who is prepared to kick the club up the arse and run things his way, not just look for a comfortable ride.
Liverpool were rock bottom when Shankly arrived; Clough turned the fortunes of TWO down-and-out provincial clubs... and even Paul Jewell took Bradford to the dizzy gold-laden heights of the PL ? and miraculously kept them there for another season.
Jesus, this is Everton we're talking about here, not Barnet. We have one of the biggest fan-bases in the country and a squad full of internationals, a history of success, and a state-of-the-art training centre that's the envy of almost every other club. I'm not asking for a man to come in and win us the CL, just get the players working hard, playing with pride again... playing decent football and hopefully winning us a domestic trophy ? within his first 10 years ? like the League cup.
As a proud Evertonian with over 40 years a blue, surely that's not too much to ask???
983 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:16:54
We need to get rid of the greedy ones like Saha and Neville who do nothing for their money. I mean it. The time is now, the sooner the better.
But that will not happen as long as Kenwright is under the pressure of Moyes. You see, it was Moyes who demanded more money for wages if you remember, he also wanted all the power for himself.
986 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:24:56
A shinny new penny for the first whippersnapper who can spot the difference between these two sets of players...
995 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:45:08
996 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:42:58
000 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:55:10
The top ones are still decent for their age.
The other two are SHIT !
002 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:44:58
Moyes is 100% accountable for the ins and outs of playing staff, he has said this on numerous occassions.
As Ciaran points out, you have cherry picked some of the best players of the last 10 years who would definitely add a wealth of knowledge to the game of youngsters.and who were all WINNERS, why not add Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi, Nesta, Cannavaro...... or how about Dean Windass?
006 Posted 12/01/2012 at 15:59:11
026 Posted 12/01/2012 at 16:44:46
Mind you the persistent excuse making for Moyes and high horse umbrage over shouted questions to Kenwright.......why not?
038 Posted 12/01/2012 at 17:14:22
Jimmy #983 think will you, mate!
062 Posted 12/01/2012 at 17:46:20
070 Posted 12/01/2012 at 12:47:11
081 Posted 12/01/2012 at 19:27:52
"The puppet is in demand"??
Who wants Moyes? No one has come in for him in the ten years he has been at Everton.
No one wants Moyes.
087 Posted 12/01/2012 at 19:13:00
I wouldnt even attempt to compare Cahills or Nevilles ability to the other players - but then you know that already, dont you ?
The point is they are vastly experienced proffesionals and as such they belong in the group I placed them. They could prove invaluable to the development of other players at the club,
I invite you all to go back to post 888 . .worra ya know ??? . . .I actually say that say that ! ..
Mind you,Guys you offer a perfect example of what I`ve been speaking about in this thread, How people can hear /read Moyes say one thing but somehow managed to convince themselves that he said something entirely different.
119 Posted 12/01/2012 at 20:35:04
Maybe that's why we're far away from grasping it... it doesn't bloody well exist.
It's funny, Dave... you actually understand that there's problems with Kenwright, but as soon as someone suggests (with verifiable evidence, might I add) that there may be a second problem with Moyes, you get a nose bleed?
Two problems!!! Independent of each other!!! good god man, call the church elders!
Why is it so hard for you to accept the possibility that two distinct problems exist?
By the way, Dave... on another thread, you asked someone to provide a contradiction that Moyes has produced. Here's one... by your own admission, Kenwright is a shit chairman... why then does Moyes insist on singing his praises?
Abandon ship Dave, or you're going down with it.
167 Posted 12/01/2012 at 21:47:00
As Everton Manager
Win ratio 41.56%
Lose ratio 33%
Silverware won 0 = Loser
178 Posted 12/01/2012 at 21:35:22
Its common Knowledge that we are going to have to rely on youngsters coming through and if you dont see the benefit in keeping on two players who are reknowned throughout the game for their professionalism then I cant help you.
Theres a point alright, but you`re not even getting warm.
I actually asked for an example of where Moyes lies or contradicts himself.
Moyes likes Kenwright, why wouldnt he ? Kenwright treats him like a god.
Having a different opinion of the chairman to me does not make Moyes a liar,
190 Posted 12/01/2012 at 22:14:14
Moyes insisted that the decision to sell Arteta was taken for "football reasons"
"I think everybody knows that the bank wanted the money. I think you all knew that," said Moyes.
How is giving the Arteta money to the bank a football decision? Don't say it was for Arteta's footballing reasons - the clear and only implication is that it was for 'football' reasons in Everton's interest.
192 Posted 12/01/2012 at 22:39:07
The man is a bloody buffoon of the highest order. Still living in his fantasy land where a billionaire will come in and let him play with his money.
Moyes's is just as incompetent. Stale tactics and a squad with zero creativity or goal throat. Watching Moyes's everton is like watching groundhog day for a decade only less entertaining. The Sooner these two cretins are out of the door the better. Can anyone honestly say hand on heart they want another decade of Moyes?
205 Posted 12/01/2012 at 22:34:31
206 Posted 12/01/2012 at 22:47:43
When he signed on for the job 10 years ago he said that he was going to drop the average age of the squad. Well, 10 years later, that hasn't happened.
He said when he came in that it was the peoples' club. 10 years later, and it's further from being he peoples' club than any other club I've ever been involved with.
He said he had the best squad he'd ever had 18 months ago, and then went on to get the lowest points total for Everton in five years.
209 Posted 12/01/2012 at 23:16:37
- Manchester City were throwing quite large amounts at a player that, at the time, was worth a bit less than the offers. Arteta was worth a lot more than £10m
- Lescott was being chased by City all summer, and handed a transfer request in a long time before Moyes finally gave in. Arteta handed his in with hours left in the window. I give Mikel enough credit as a bloke that if the transfer hadn't come off, he wouldn't have carried on like Joleon did against Arsenal.
234 Posted 13/01/2012 at 01:00:33
As for Arteta, the first inkling of him going was on the day of the deal. He wasn't making any noises and his respect for our dying club should be commended, even though he left. He gave us 6 good years and lots of good memories. If we had a side playing decent and positive football, I doubt he'd have left. So Steve Pugh, don't try to defend Moyes by slagging Arteta, you are just showing how weak your argument is in footballing terms
392 Posted 13/01/2012 at 13:11:30
It was a successful evening as we never got completely fuckin' twatted 6-0.
If Moyes goes and someone comes in playing more entertaining football, there is the possibility that we'll get fuckin' relegated. I do admit that we could get better and improve slightly; BUT I don't think its worth takin' that chance personally.
Status quo is good enough for Everton FC at the moment. We've nee cash so it doesn't fuckin' matter who is in charge as they'll just be in the same fuckin' boat as Moyes, won't they......?!?!?!
507 Posted 13/01/2012 at 17:02:33
538 Posted 13/01/2012 at 18:28:27
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698 Posted 14/01/2012 at 02:13:01
700 Posted 14/01/2012 at 03:06:43
708 Posted 14/01/2012 at 03:57:03
052 Posted 15/01/2012 at 09:53:13
Usual story, try and manipulate Moyes's words to suit your mindset.
186 Posted 16/01/2012 at 02:51:29
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