I know this is really clutching at straws for some reward for this season, but if Newcastle finish 4th and Chelsea win the Champions League do we into the Europa League?
My understanding is this:
- The Champions League gets 4 entries (But can have 5 if the winners finish outside the top 4 – i.e Liverpool in 2005).
- The Europa League gets 3 (for 5th, FA Cup and League Cup winners.)
Would we get an entry for 7th in that case?
Adam Wareing, Posted 25/04/2012 at 16:47:13
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434 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:03:52
Champions League - Man U, Man C, Arsenal, probably Newcastle
Europa Cup - Liverpool (League Cup) , Chelsea (FA Cup Winners or Runner Up) Spurs as next best placed Premiership club.
Dont know quite what happens if Chelsea win Champions League but I cant see 5 clubs in Europe from England, do Newcastle still qualify or will they end up in Europa League ?
435 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:04:48
They have a place no matter what via FA cup and our dear neighbours via Mickey Mouse cup.
Can anyone confirm / explain the possible permatutaions ?
436 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:07:21
437 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:09:41
438 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:06:06
UEFA changed the rules after pandering to Liverpool that year so England can only have a maximum of four Champions League entrants. That's why Newcastle are crapping themselves over Chelsea winning the CL because if the Barcodes finish 4th, they'll only get the Europa League.
From what I've been able to work out, if the table finished the way it is now and Chelsea won the CL:
United, City, Arsenal and Chelsea would get the CL spots;
Newcastle would get the EL spot normally reserved for 5th, Spurs would get the FA Cup spot (because Liverpool have already qualified via the League Cup so neither FA Cup finalist would count as far as EL spots go)
and Everton would then get the third EL spot in 7th. so there would be NO spot left for 7th
440 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:14:21
441 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:16:27
442 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:13:26
443 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:17:52
444 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:18:52
445 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:15:35
446 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:15:51
447 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:16:28
If Chelsea win the Champions League but finish outside the top 4 then the team that finishes fourth will go into the Europa League and Chelsea go into the Champions League.
There are only 3 Europa Leaue spots, the RS already have one, the other two will go to 5th in the League and the FA Cup Winners, no matter how many different scenarios you can come up with, its Chelsea/Newcastle or Spurs that will get those other two, whoever doesn't get the Europa League places will have qualified for the Champions League spot.
450 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:28:21
The only way I can see to be absolutely sure of us getting into the Europa, is to win all our last 4 games and finish on 60 points, one point above the free falling spurs!That appears to be the only way. If Chelsea don't win the CL but finish 5th they will qualify for the Europa League either via the FA Cup (as winners or losers). If they finish 4th, Newcastle get the EL via 5th place.
In every scenario, the next team in the table outside the CL places that hasn't already qualified for Europe (Spurs at this point) gets the final EL spot.
452 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:30:27
Let's concentrate on getting a better start to the season.
454 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:38:51
456 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:47:05
458 Posted 25/04/2012 at 18:58:28
Anybody know what happens if Spurs win the fair play league & have already qualified for the Europa. Is is next in the fair play league or another from the 'proper' league?Not seen this one nailed down yet but I would guess it's the next-highest Fair Play league team that would get that spot.
462 Posted 25/04/2012 at 19:14:03
It is just a pity that Liverpool aren't going to finish fourth as it would be some kind of justice that Chelsea win the Champions League and then push them into the Europa League, after all the crying they did after what happened in 2005.
463 Posted 25/04/2012 at 19:17:51
Like people have already said though. I think this would be unlikely. Our best chance is Spurs imploding.
470 Posted 25/04/2012 at 19:38:51
In addition to the above scenarios, Everton can qualify from 7th if Chelsea lose the CL final, win the FA Cup, Liverpool finish 6th, Everton 7th and Chelsea 8th. All so unlikely it's not worth pondering.
The one aspect of this I didn't realise until reading that page was that the FA Cup slot trumps the League Cup even for the runners-up. In other words, even if Liverpool lost the FA Cup Final (and Chelsea have already qualified by other means), the League Cup slot still passes to the next-highest League placing.
477 Posted 25/04/2012 at 19:49:12
482 Posted 25/04/2012 at 20:09:19
So, definitively, we're back to one scenario: we win all 4, Spurs lose all 4
484 Posted 25/04/2012 at 20:11:34
I.e. one of Spurs, barcodes or Chelsea would have to have a massive implosion and finish 8th......in short, no European tour for the blues next year.
On another note, I would actually feel sorry for the barcodes if they manage 4th only for Chelsea to win the CL - they deserve it next year given how they've played so far (admittedly they have not made it yet).
485 Posted 25/04/2012 at 20:34:41
That is not going to happen.
End of thread.
489 Posted 25/04/2012 at 20:49:38
490 Posted 25/04/2012 at 20:29:10
506 Posted 25/04/2012 at 22:45:17
507 Posted 25/04/2012 at 22:48:17
More utter bollocks ad nauseum.
510 Posted 25/04/2012 at 22:59:33
523 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:58:32
524 Posted 26/04/2012 at 00:06:34
526 Posted 26/04/2012 at 00:40:04
No, it was novelty fun back in 2007 when we had a better team but not now thanks. We need to get the basics right like not being in the bottom 4 or 5 in October.
527 Posted 26/04/2012 at 00:54:51
What a load of nonsense. Moyes has a decent enough record in Europe if you forget Dinamo away. We bossed the group in 07/08 and were unlucky to go out in the end. In 09/10 we did ok until an injury ravaged and transitional side ran into better opposition.
Don't you remember the goal tally from the 07/08 European campaign? You have probably chosen to forget it and fall back on some tedious attack on our manager which is starting to become tiresome on this website.
528 Posted 26/04/2012 at 01:03:55
529 Posted 26/04/2012 at 01:37:06
532 Posted 26/04/2012 at 02:14:34
544 Posted 26/04/2012 at 07:31:41
559 Posted 26/04/2012 at 08:50:54
565 Posted 26/04/2012 at 09:40:00
569 Posted 26/04/2012 at 09:54:19
573 Posted 26/04/2012 at 10:06:41
In order to attract better players we need to play in Europe. No Europe, no progression forward. People state the extra games as a problem, but we had our best league placements (minus the 4th place finish) whilst in Europe. The confidence and momentum of a good run in Europe seeps through to the league.
Everton need the Europa league.
600 Posted 26/04/2012 at 11:47:28
620 Posted 26/04/2012 at 12:36:17
668 Posted 26/04/2012 at 14:51:23
669 Posted 26/04/2012 at 14:52:41
How about simplifying:
The champions go into the Champions League.
2nd through 5th go into the UEFA/Europa Cup.
The FA Cup and League Cup winners go into another cup competition... we could call it the Cup Winners Cup... or something...
681 Posted 26/04/2012 at 15:19:36
684 Posted 26/04/2012 at 15:26:13
That is a bit revolutionary for those in charge of football!!!!
713 Posted 26/04/2012 at 16:08:24
If you want a few good ones to look back on, you (like me) will be gutted we're not in Europe.
Believe me, nobody looks back and thinks "Remember 2011/12 season when we didn't qualify for Europe, which possibly helped us get off to a not awful start to the season?"
Some of my best memories of the last 10 years were European trips (even had a ball in Florence and Lisbon)
As my late mother used to say 'we're a long time dead'.
759 Posted 26/04/2012 at 18:06:29
I would sooner have Everton qualify for Europe on sheer merit and then would feel confident that we would do well.
Our squad is not yet strong enough to do well but signs are that with one or two more quality signings we could be realistic contenders next season to finish in the top 4.
824 Posted 26/04/2012 at 22:02:26
I really hope Chelsea win the Champions League, sorry for the barcodes but maybe the media and Sky will start to wake up and see what fucking Hippocrates they are.
"Always outraged, never embarrassed" ? sums the Red Shite up to a tee.
534 Posted 29/04/2012 at 16:33:47
537 Posted 29/04/2012 at 16:37:51
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