Everton News, Season 2011-12
Bill Kenwright BBC Interview
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Surmising that the Club are squeezing every last penny out of their resources, Purslow presses Kenwright on the issue of ticket prices and the Chairman insists that raising prices to a level more in line with the more moneyed clubs in the Premier League is not something he would consider.
While maintaining his desperation to sell the club to someone with money, Kenwright explains his reluctance to sell to in a leveraged buy-out, and boasts about a great personal relationship with the bankers who are now twisting the screws. Purslow concludes that finding the right buyer who fits the required profile is highly unlikely given current global ecumenic conditions and the Chairman's commitment to finding the perfect buyer.
Bill believes that Evertonians are perhaps better off with him than anyone else until this elusive buyer appears, and he finishes up with a gushing contrast between Tevez and Arteta on the subject of 'spirit':
"Something like that could never happen at Everton".
Original Source: BBC Sport
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Horrendous puff piece from Bill Kenwright and an interviewer who is so appeasing they may well be bezzie mates.
Where are all the important questions on his choices through out his tenor that have put us in this shite state of affairs?
If you are a BK-out supporter, just wait to see how he dismisses you! Arghhhhhhhh!
Where are all the important questions on his choices through out his tenor that have put us in this shite state of affairs?
If you are a BK-out supporter, just wait to see how he dismisses you! Arghhhhhhhh!
That interviewer is Christian Purslow ? former MD of Liverpool!
He still believes he is the best man for Everton FC ? so there we have it in a nutshell.
What a soft interview and you would have to be mentally subnormal to believe that crap from BK. There is no way that the club could possibly increase prices - attendances are falling anyway and would certainly fall further. The Abu Dhabi group would not have bought Everton because they primarily wanted to buy City to develop the surrounding area - plans are in place for new training facilities and venues for other sports including boxing. This is something Everton would not be able to offer even if we had gone to Kirkby or a more confined site in the city. This is simply another of BKs made up scenarios designed to make Evertonians think he is making progress - just like us bidding for players we have no chance of signing. Well it fools no-one.
Hmmmmm - seems to be a nice friendly interview, bit of pro-BK spin. Nothing new is gained from it, except maybe BK providing some insight and info that was being screamed for pre-season.
However looking at the TW piece and the comments above, it's obvious both sides are spinning it whenever they can.....................................
However looking at the TW piece and the comments above, it's obvious both sides are spinning it whenever they can.....................................
Chez his record of lies goes against him. Only those wishing to overlook them and his record will have anything nice to say about him.
Is it true that journalists who mention the Blue Union or the meeting on Saturday in newspapers will be banned from EFC press conferences? I've been told by a few people of this happening but no one seems to have actual proof. Can't find one journalist who will confirm it?
Why would he be asked challenging questions? It's not the Cook Report, it's a small filler on a show about ownership in football.
I know people are desperate to get him out but let's be fair, people wanted him to talk and he is. I don't like what he's saying either but you can't damn him for keeping a low profile and then for doing an interview. And of course he spins it in his own favour, he's not going to come out and call himself an idiot is he?
I know people are desperate to get him out but let's be fair, people wanted him to talk and he is. I don't like what he's saying either but you can't damn him for keeping a low profile and then for doing an interview. And of course he spins it in his own favour, he's not going to come out and call himself an idiot is he?
Whilst waiting for the full interview tonight (could a transcript be placed on TW for those of us not near a radio when this goes out ?); if it is another benign Q&A, I can only assume that the lines of acceptable questioning were drawn up beforehand.
Amazing how this comes out just before the next planned meeting of the Blue Union.......a coincidence I'm sure.
Amazing how this comes out just before the next planned meeting of the Blue Union.......a coincidence I'm sure.
Steve (10), you can listen to the interview now on the BBC sport link posted under the original article.
The R5 programme tonight will only contain snippets, not the full 16 minutes.
The R5 programme tonight will only contain snippets, not the full 16 minutes.
Steve, try the BBC Sport link above identified as "Original Source" and you should be able to listen to the words of Blue Bill yourself. Be great if you could take a transcript for us... but beware of "misrepresenting" what the great man said!!!
In September 2008, Sheikh Mansour bought Manchester City Football Club.
Plans to build 50 shops and a Tesco Extra alongside the proposed new Everton stadium in Kirkby were lodged in January 2008.
So with Green, Earl and Tesco involved plus Non Disclosure Agreements etc what is Bill talking about re Mansour and Everton ?
Can a real journalist out there either:
a) Ask Bill the questions re Green and Earl
and/or
b) Dig/investigate what is there involvement.
God forbid Bill rejected Mansour because he had already got into bed with Green and Earl re Kirkby.
Plans to build 50 shops and a Tesco Extra alongside the proposed new Everton stadium in Kirkby were lodged in January 2008.
So with Green, Earl and Tesco involved plus Non Disclosure Agreements etc what is Bill talking about re Mansour and Everton ?
Can a real journalist out there either:
a) Ask Bill the questions re Green and Earl
and/or
b) Dig/investigate what is there involvement.
God forbid Bill rejected Mansour because he had already got into bed with Green and Earl re Kirkby.
He got the dates wrong and he appears to have contradicted himself on the stadium issue; BU interview not an issue, two months later it is an issue.
The real issue is: how much?
The real issue is: how much?
I?m not sure which is more painful, but the constant crap being spun by items like this or the complete lack of independence from the editorial team is seriously undermining what was once an excellent website. Please take a step back Mr Kenrick, you have an excellent platform for your posters to post whatever view they wish but hold your council in debates like this and if you feel the need to air your opinion do it with an alias, don?t forget Everton and the fans will be around a long time after Bill has gone.
Sorry to be controversial but the BK debate has been done time and time again and people have decided which side of the line they wish to stand, which is fine but adding your anti view point and constant attacks in my opinion just puts TW in a place which its shouldn?t be, it needs to be constructive in its criticism no matter what the topic! You?re an Everton fans website for the whole EFC family and not just a fringe website like KEIOC. COYB
Sorry to be controversial but the BK debate has been done time and time again and people have decided which side of the line they wish to stand, which is fine but adding your anti view point and constant attacks in my opinion just puts TW in a place which its shouldn?t be, it needs to be constructive in its criticism no matter what the topic! You?re an Everton fans website for the whole EFC family and not just a fringe website like KEIOC. COYB
The complete lack of independence from the editorial team is seriously undermining what was once an excellent website
I'd actually taken steps to address this before reading your comment, Alan. Suffice to say, I agree with you — the news section should be independent, with editorialising left to the comments, columns and blogs.
I'd actually taken steps to address this before reading your comment, Alan. Suffice to say, I agree with you — the news section should be independent, with editorialising left to the comments, columns and blogs.
Christian Purslow was, in my opinion, wrong in his comments and questions on the following:
1. Raising Ticket Prices. Raising ticket prices will not solve EFC's fundamental problems. A £10 increase in season tickets and match day tickets, assuming an average attendance of 33,000 and assuming say 23 home games a season, would generate about £7.5M. That would cover our operating losses and leave a little left over for transfers. But then what? You still don't have enough to make inroads into the debt. What's more, all this assumes 33,000 punters would continue to file in on average over 23 games and pay an extra tenner for the privilege. With our squad and performances this is highly likely. The only way to get the big bucks is TV and prize money, which needs higher league placings, better cup runs and Champions League football. To do that, we need to get some top players. Money which Bill does not have.
2. Finding someone with the Money. Comparing the purchase of EFC to Corporate M&A is plain shite. BK himself said owning a football team is a trophy asset. People wanting to own trophy assets don't follow Corporate M&A trends. And generally they are people with so much disposable income that, recession or no recession, they have the cash to splurge.
BK and Purslow were right that these people are few and far between. If that is the case, and given our unsustainable business model and need for fresh cash, a radical re-think is needed; perhaps attracting investment from the fans.
I am sure fans would rather cough up cash to own a piece of their football club rather than pay extra at the gate.
Whatever the final solution is, staying with BK, as he pleads, is NOT an option. We are dying a slow death and, by the time he realises this and lets the train set go, it may not be salvageable.
1. Raising Ticket Prices. Raising ticket prices will not solve EFC's fundamental problems. A £10 increase in season tickets and match day tickets, assuming an average attendance of 33,000 and assuming say 23 home games a season, would generate about £7.5M. That would cover our operating losses and leave a little left over for transfers. But then what? You still don't have enough to make inroads into the debt. What's more, all this assumes 33,000 punters would continue to file in on average over 23 games and pay an extra tenner for the privilege. With our squad and performances this is highly likely. The only way to get the big bucks is TV and prize money, which needs higher league placings, better cup runs and Champions League football. To do that, we need to get some top players. Money which Bill does not have.
2. Finding someone with the Money. Comparing the purchase of EFC to Corporate M&A is plain shite. BK himself said owning a football team is a trophy asset. People wanting to own trophy assets don't follow Corporate M&A trends. And generally they are people with so much disposable income that, recession or no recession, they have the cash to splurge.
BK and Purslow were right that these people are few and far between. If that is the case, and given our unsustainable business model and need for fresh cash, a radical re-think is needed; perhaps attracting investment from the fans.
I am sure fans would rather cough up cash to own a piece of their football club rather than pay extra at the gate.
Whatever the final solution is, staying with BK, as he pleads, is NOT an option. We are dying a slow death and, by the time he realises this and lets the train set go, it may not be salvageable.
"Something like that could never happen at Everton".
Spot on. Everton with Kenwright in charge can never afford a Tevez.
Spot on. Everton with Kenwright in charge can never afford a Tevez.
And the nightmare goes on.
£500m to turn around the fortunes of the mighty blues is never going to happen in this environment. The cost is just to much and so the rot continues.
I just can't see an end to this apart from the gate falling or bank forcing a sale ala Liverpool, leaving Bill to give it away for nothing. Even then you are looking at what £300m for a new ground and clear the debts.
£500m to turn around the fortunes of the mighty blues is never going to happen in this environment. The cost is just to much and so the rot continues.
I just can't see an end to this apart from the gate falling or bank forcing a sale ala Liverpool, leaving Bill to give it away for nothing. Even then you are looking at what £300m for a new ground and clear the debts.
Just listened to the interview and thought what a load of bollocks. BK may as well pull down his trousers, bend over and ask Purslow to sort himself out! A 5-year-old would have been able to ask tougher/better questions.
I like the way BK says 'for all my drawbacks I believe Evertonians would rather stay with me than another owner'! Erm no!
He also likes to take credit for the higher turnover than Everton gets compared to a few years ago ? the fact that most of this happens to be an increase in TV money ? which has increased for ALL clubs and has nothing to do with him ? seems to be conveniently forgotten about.
This guy is so deluded ? football is the only buisness that I can think of that has people in charge that are so unsuitable I wonder what the world is coming to.
Don't bother listening to this interview, it really is a true waste of time. You'll get more education/insight watching a leaf grow!
Amased the BBC allows such drivel on its website.
I like the way BK says 'for all my drawbacks I believe Evertonians would rather stay with me than another owner'! Erm no!
He also likes to take credit for the higher turnover than Everton gets compared to a few years ago ? the fact that most of this happens to be an increase in TV money ? which has increased for ALL clubs and has nothing to do with him ? seems to be conveniently forgotten about.
This guy is so deluded ? football is the only buisness that I can think of that has people in charge that are so unsuitable I wonder what the world is coming to.
Don't bother listening to this interview, it really is a true waste of time. You'll get more education/insight watching a leaf grow!
Amased the BBC allows such drivel on its website.
Lyndon Lloyd
I have always found your reporting to be as unbiased as could be expected from a Toffee fan and the same goes with your articles.
Michael seems to have an agenda, but he wouldnt be Michael if he didn't. I don't really see ToffeeWeb suffering from people having strong beliefs, as long as they are consistent. To me they seem that way. Viv la ToffeeWeb!!!!
I have always found your reporting to be as unbiased as could be expected from a Toffee fan and the same goes with your articles.
Michael seems to have an agenda, but he wouldnt be Michael if he didn't. I don't really see ToffeeWeb suffering from people having strong beliefs, as long as they are consistent. To me they seem that way. Viv la ToffeeWeb!!!!
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown in to the sea.
Who gave the BBC permission to tape this interview? Just wait untill Ian Ross finds out.
Does Bill even know?
Does Bill even know?
Any comments made by those who run the site are a welcome addition simply as they are, as we all are, Everton fans with an opinion. Should there views mean something more because they run the site - yes, no, why?
The independent running of the site with full coverage of all Everton news is still there. Only, once people, probably those who gain extra information online and not solely through traditional media, would find it hard to support BK's running of the club.
If all you knew of Destination Kirkby (and more) was through papers and BBC, void of critical analysis, then BK's shtick would allow full support of the man. This website is an example of what the internet does for the people: it frees information otherwise unreported. If people question the neutrality of the site with Micheal's views on BK, is that bias or just an obvious position to take once information is freed?
BK's choices during his time in charge have placed our club where we financially find ourselves today. That's something this interview doesn't tackle. Nothing about how when we took over we had transfer clout, and now finishing on average top 8 under Moyes as manager in the richest league in the world with an average salary level do we find ourselves without a purchase for two years and left to gamble on a dodgy Dutchman and an untried Argentinean not good enough for Leicester.
BK wants talk of how things are difficult now and that he's the man to take us through these tough times, yet when does he talk of his decision making of the past which have caught up with the club today which have lead us to a financial stagnation. Stagnation in a league where success is based on finance means going backwards, yet Moyes continues to have us hoping for more. This season 4th is up for grabs and with zero money we have an outside chance, and dispite his dourness that's one thing Moyes should rightly be given credit for. He himself is saving BK's skin and the club.
Only how long does this last and what happens if the next manager, without a new buyer, fails? BK's Everton are a ticking time-bomb threatening to destroy its history and standing in football and only a heroic man of money will save us.
There's a Steven Fry series at the moment on language. He was speaking with a Jewish comedian who told the joke of a man who falls out of a ten story building who on the way down is heard to say as he passed each floor 'So good so far'. That's where we're at but apparently as Bill says the overwhelming number of Everton support are with him.
He's a one man propaganda machine and can possibly lead the rest of his life in good standing from those who do support him. But the club doesn't have long left and should he sacrifice himself for the good of Everton he can achieve that.
I just fear he will go down with the good ship Everton knowing full well his lumbering tonnage was the difference, sinking us all to the ocean floor.
The independent running of the site with full coverage of all Everton news is still there. Only, once people, probably those who gain extra information online and not solely through traditional media, would find it hard to support BK's running of the club.
If all you knew of Destination Kirkby (and more) was through papers and BBC, void of critical analysis, then BK's shtick would allow full support of the man. This website is an example of what the internet does for the people: it frees information otherwise unreported. If people question the neutrality of the site with Micheal's views on BK, is that bias or just an obvious position to take once information is freed?
BK's choices during his time in charge have placed our club where we financially find ourselves today. That's something this interview doesn't tackle. Nothing about how when we took over we had transfer clout, and now finishing on average top 8 under Moyes as manager in the richest league in the world with an average salary level do we find ourselves without a purchase for two years and left to gamble on a dodgy Dutchman and an untried Argentinean not good enough for Leicester.
BK wants talk of how things are difficult now and that he's the man to take us through these tough times, yet when does he talk of his decision making of the past which have caught up with the club today which have lead us to a financial stagnation. Stagnation in a league where success is based on finance means going backwards, yet Moyes continues to have us hoping for more. This season 4th is up for grabs and with zero money we have an outside chance, and dispite his dourness that's one thing Moyes should rightly be given credit for. He himself is saving BK's skin and the club.
Only how long does this last and what happens if the next manager, without a new buyer, fails? BK's Everton are a ticking time-bomb threatening to destroy its history and standing in football and only a heroic man of money will save us.
There's a Steven Fry series at the moment on language. He was speaking with a Jewish comedian who told the joke of a man who falls out of a ten story building who on the way down is heard to say as he passed each floor 'So good so far'. That's where we're at but apparently as Bill says the overwhelming number of Everton support are with him.
He's a one man propaganda machine and can possibly lead the rest of his life in good standing from those who do support him. But the club doesn't have long left and should he sacrifice himself for the good of Everton he can achieve that.
I just fear he will go down with the good ship Everton knowing full well his lumbering tonnage was the difference, sinking us all to the ocean floor.
Nick, there's a difference between presenting the news and putting an editorial slant on it from the outset.
I would prefer that our news articles provide the facts as they appear to be and then have discussion and interpretation play out in the ensuing comments or in dedicated articles.
Neutrality in our news reporting does not preclude Michael and myself from holding strong views on a given topic; it should strengthen TW's reputation.
I would prefer that our news articles provide the facts as they appear to be and then have discussion and interpretation play out in the ensuing comments or in dedicated articles.
Neutrality in our news reporting does not preclude Michael and myself from holding strong views on a given topic; it should strengthen TW's reputation.
I read the editors' comments in the same I read everyone's, they are both Evertonians after all. However, if I thought TW was being used to push an agenda, I would probably go elsewhere. It is good that the editors lay their cards, transparency in this context is a good thing. Opinions of every kind are aired on this site, which is the reason I keep coming back. Keep up the good work, I've given up on the papers.
Bill put up a good defence of his tenure, well knowing that he is stuck with the Club, like it or not. In the present climate, I can see no prospect of his finding a buyer for his shares ? even at a knock-down price ? as the level of debt is an absolute deal stopper.
The trouble is that he is surrounded by a group of incompetents who have little or no idea how to improve either the finances or the image conveyed to loyal supporters.
Having conceded that much, I still would not swop Bill for at least half his counterparts in other Prem clubs and continue to deplore those who would see him removed.
The trouble is that he is surrounded by a group of incompetents who have little or no idea how to improve either the finances or the image conveyed to loyal supporters.
Having conceded that much, I still would not swop Bill for at least half his counterparts in other Prem clubs and continue to deplore those who would see him removed.
Lyndon, I think you're spot on. My other comment on this thread alluded to that ? reading the TW blurb and then listening to the interview left me feeling as though TW's raison d'etre was to discredit Kenwright, which if that is what you want, then it is your won't! However, the site is tagged as independent.
A great deal of Evertonians/TWers want much better for our beloved club, but don't share the witchhunt mentality that is stoked on here from time to time.
A great deal of Evertonians/TWers want much better for our beloved club, but don't share the witchhunt mentality that is stoked on here from time to time.
Lyndon, don't make me laugh, this website is anything but independent. In fact I find it often censors comments that don't take the "party line." You're about as independent as Pravda.
TW always had an element of "with us or against us" brigade. But now it has gone the whole hog and turned into a full blown anti-Kenwright, anti-club pro Keoic diatribe.
It is like the BU house organ, i.e. the only people who comment are the same ones saying the same thing - followed by "great article" ad nauseum.
TW always had an element of "with us or against us" brigade. But now it has gone the whole hog and turned into a full blown anti-Kenwright, anti-club pro Keoic diatribe.
It is like the BU house organ, i.e. the only people who comment are the same ones saying the same thing - followed by "great article" ad nauseum.
Thankfully, in my experience. the opinions of posters are in a majority in only one place - TW. It is like an echo chamber now. Course it is your site, do with it what you want but you are kidding no one if you think it is independent.
"Kenwright believes the Abu Dhabi group that invested in Manchester City could have ended up at Everton, if the club had had plans in place for a new stadium." Pity he never thought about that prospect when the King's Dock floundered following his well publicised spat with his then friend Paul Gregg. That decision should have seen both Gregg and Kenwright depart the board for gross incompetence a failure in my opinion that was the 9/11 moment to Everton's future.
Erm, Paddy, I think you're misconstruing what "Independent" means. In our context it means independent of Everton FC; it's not meant to imply some middle-ground stance in all our editorial that The Independent newspaper tries to portray, although we do provide a forum for viewpoints from across the spectrum.
But now it has gone the whole hog and turned into a full blown anti-Kenwright, anti-club pro Keoic diatribe.
Hyperbole, anyone? The column articles written by Michael, myself, and some regular contributors may be critical of Kenwright but there are contributions and comments that espouse the opposite view (and this is true of every issue we cover) posted every day. If you can't acknowledge that then I can't help you.
Thankfully, in my experience. the opinions of posters are in a majority in only one place - TW.
I think you need to get out and about the other Everton web forums, then ? the opinion against BK has coalesced around frustration and criticism of him on most of the sites that spring to mind: Bluekipper forum, NSNO.co.uk, The People's Forum, SOS1878...
In fact I find it often censors comments that don't take the "party line."
Comments that are openly hostile to other posters or the editors are removed, per the terms and conditions. That the poster happens to hold an opposing viewpoint is usually why they've gone off on one in the first place.
If we're censoring people just because they disagree with us then, I think you'll find a quick read of any of the threads currently running on the site would show we're not doing a very good job if it.
But now it has gone the whole hog and turned into a full blown anti-Kenwright, anti-club pro Keoic diatribe.
Hyperbole, anyone? The column articles written by Michael, myself, and some regular contributors may be critical of Kenwright but there are contributions and comments that espouse the opposite view (and this is true of every issue we cover) posted every day. If you can't acknowledge that then I can't help you.
Thankfully, in my experience. the opinions of posters are in a majority in only one place - TW.
I think you need to get out and about the other Everton web forums, then ? the opinion against BK has coalesced around frustration and criticism of him on most of the sites that spring to mind: Bluekipper forum, NSNO.co.uk, The People's Forum, SOS1878...
In fact I find it often censors comments that don't take the "party line."
Comments that are openly hostile to other posters or the editors are removed, per the terms and conditions. That the poster happens to hold an opposing viewpoint is usually why they've gone off on one in the first place.
If we're censoring people just because they disagree with us then, I think you'll find a quick read of any of the threads currently running on the site would show we're not doing a very good job if it.
A couple of weeks ago i posted a document that appeared to point to investors or buyers interested in Everton who didn't buy us, for whatever reason.
Let's cut the bullshit: I believe ? and I'm not talking for the masses, just me and my brother ? that Bill has stopped us being taken over, through ineptitude and train set and financial gain.
Since I posted the document, people who I sent it to have gone awfully quiet... now, I don't know if the document was real or not.
Point is, I have also at every opportunity, tweeted, after research, that we are now borrowing off football agents.
Managers, Dogliesh, Keegan, Robson, Souness, Reid (although he got out a while ago) are putting there money into agents' companies. Proactive.... all of the above.
Dalglish and Keegan owned shares in Proactive, who were Rooney's agents; who sold Shearer, and A Cole, who were Proactive's clients, while they owned shares in said company. £14mill, and whatever Cole went for.
Their shares were worth more because of them deals. They were making money at the same time. This is rife in football....
I have links from Proactive to other companies ? Formation, and the James Grant group ? all agents, one of which looks after Rodwell.
These companies own part of Investec... ring a bell anyone?
And Vibrac... bells again?
Football players and managers have invested monet in these companies and these companies are lending money to Everton????
Kenwright has now came out and said we could've been taken over by Mansour... and Kia Jorbichan has also said he would lend Everton money?
I have been saying for a while that Bill has turned down investors/buyers, cause of the Tesco deal and train set, and we have borrowed off agents, Vibrac and Investec. Is Kenwright now trying to let the cat out of the bag before it's revealed?
Green is on record as saying he brokered the deal for Rooney to Man Utd?Stretford was his agent, how could he have anything to do with it?
Green is a well known Spurs fan... Investec sponsor Spurs... Confused? You should be...
Let's cut the bullshit: I believe ? and I'm not talking for the masses, just me and my brother ? that Bill has stopped us being taken over, through ineptitude and train set and financial gain.
Since I posted the document, people who I sent it to have gone awfully quiet... now, I don't know if the document was real or not.
Point is, I have also at every opportunity, tweeted, after research, that we are now borrowing off football agents.
Managers, Dogliesh, Keegan, Robson, Souness, Reid (although he got out a while ago) are putting there money into agents' companies. Proactive.... all of the above.
Dalglish and Keegan owned shares in Proactive, who were Rooney's agents; who sold Shearer, and A Cole, who were Proactive's clients, while they owned shares in said company. £14mill, and whatever Cole went for.
Their shares were worth more because of them deals. They were making money at the same time. This is rife in football....
I have links from Proactive to other companies ? Formation, and the James Grant group ? all agents, one of which looks after Rodwell.
These companies own part of Investec... ring a bell anyone?
And Vibrac... bells again?
Football players and managers have invested monet in these companies and these companies are lending money to Everton????
Kenwright has now came out and said we could've been taken over by Mansour... and Kia Jorbichan has also said he would lend Everton money?
I have been saying for a while that Bill has turned down investors/buyers, cause of the Tesco deal and train set, and we have borrowed off agents, Vibrac and Investec. Is Kenwright now trying to let the cat out of the bag before it's revealed?
Green is on record as saying he brokered the deal for Rooney to Man Utd?Stretford was his agent, how could he have anything to do with it?
Green is a well known Spurs fan... Investec sponsor Spurs... Confused? You should be...
Utter nonsense, Paddy, those who support Moyes and /or Kenwright give as good as they get. Every view appears on here and those who attack Moyes and/or Kenwright get plenty of stick too. Your comment is unfair and unjustified.
Andy, Sorry but I have to agree with Paddy (28) when one asks searching questions about the various groups and posts these questions they never see the light of day.
You are making assumptions that every post sent to ToffeeWeb does get posted that is not the case.
Just listened to the interview. It did answer some questions but you had to read between the lines somewhat. I read megalomaniac, delusional, luvvy. It was a proper love-in between two 'mates'. Purslow was worse than Richard and Judy when they interviewed OJ Simpson. (I'm not suggesting BK is a killer btw!)
Bill puts a spin on it all very well. It is a script which has been carefully written and carefully delivered. And let's be honest, we would probably deal with an interview in the same way if we were in his position.
When he says that Everton FC is not JUST about him or Moyes, that was when I believe we saw a glimpse of the man. He believes it is about him to a degree. Everton FC is not about individuals. We have plenty of individuals associated with the club ? heroes and anti-heroes alike. They come, they go. Fans are the one constant with any club. We all think our club is the most special and we are all right because that is the depth of feeling that we have for the club.
BK touts himself as a superfan. I believe he is a fan and that he loves the club. I also believe that he thinks that he is the best custodian the club could ever have (if only he had the money that the Arabs have.) He is wrong about that because any one of us Blues, given unlimited funds like Citeh, would plough it into making us a Prem and CL challenging side.
Bill puts a spin on it all very well. It is a script which has been carefully written and carefully delivered. And let's be honest, we would probably deal with an interview in the same way if we were in his position.
When he says that Everton FC is not JUST about him or Moyes, that was when I believe we saw a glimpse of the man. He believes it is about him to a degree. Everton FC is not about individuals. We have plenty of individuals associated with the club ? heroes and anti-heroes alike. They come, they go. Fans are the one constant with any club. We all think our club is the most special and we are all right because that is the depth of feeling that we have for the club.
BK touts himself as a superfan. I believe he is a fan and that he loves the club. I also believe that he thinks that he is the best custodian the club could ever have (if only he had the money that the Arabs have.) He is wrong about that because any one of us Blues, given unlimited funds like Citeh, would plough it into making us a Prem and CL challenging side.
Frank, I have posted a lot on this site over quite a few years (yes, I know ? way too much). The only stuff that hasn't appeared is embarrassing nonsense written after too much drink. Also, I have written stuff that has been posted and roundly decried by the editor. On a recent thread, a critic of Moyes was attacked in a way that could have been censored, but rightly wasn't. It seems to me that every lengthy thread has plenty of conflicting views.
when one asks searching questions about the various groups and posts these questions they never see the light of day.
You mean like this, Frank? Or this?
Posts that don't see the light of the day usually fall into two categories: 1) they're so poorly formatted or written that we refuse to publish them, or 2) they're antagonistic and/or abusive, offering nothing to the discussion.
You mean like this, Frank? Or this?
Posts that don't see the light of the day usually fall into two categories: 1) they're so poorly formatted or written that we refuse to publish them, or 2) they're antagonistic and/or abusive, offering nothing to the discussion.
Also, Paddy, I have recently learned that the BU are apparently strongly pro-Moyes; therefore, how can this be the BU house organ when there is ample anti-Moyes dissent?
Andy,
For your information, the posts in question are written realistic and do pose questions that need to be answered for people like myself to make an honest assessment of the topic at hand. Incidentally the posts in question do not contain any profanity, hatred or bigotry.
Incidentally, alcohol is not my favourite drink so, yet again, do not make assumptions. From my experience, alcohol or profanity does not enhance one's attempt at making a point.
For your information, the posts in question are written realistic and do pose questions that need to be answered for people like myself to make an honest assessment of the topic at hand. Incidentally the posts in question do not contain any profanity, hatred or bigotry.
Incidentally, alcohol is not my favourite drink so, yet again, do not make assumptions. From my experience, alcohol or profanity does not enhance one's attempt at making a point.
Lyndon,
As far as I am concerned, my questions do not fit into the two categories you mention; however, they do represent the topics at hand and should have a response, however one feels about the intent.
As far as I am concerned, my questions do not fit into the two categories you mention; however, they do represent the topics at hand and should have a response, however one feels about the intent.
Frank, I was making no assumptions. I was strictly referring to myself.
I'll keep this short and hopefully allow for a simple response to a simple question: Ask yourself, would you rather be a City fan?
Think about it: unlimited wages and transfer fees, a squad of 25 world class players, able to choose from the cream of European managers, Champions League within a couple of seasons. All of this available now, thanks to an owner with cash ? irrespective of the spirit and qualities and tradition of the club... Just a big bag of cash.
How would it really feel. Would it feel like Everton anymore? Would that matter to you? Would you rather be a City fan?
Steve....I don't believe many Evertonians would answer yes to your question, including those supporting the BU. I also believe this is not what is sought by those questioning BK and those at the helm at the club. A viable strategy, modest investment from those who occupy seats on the board and majority stakeholders, a degree of transparency and honesty with the fanbase and a comprehensive plan to move the club forward. All of the above thoroughly achievable without billions and selling the soul of the club down the river.
Thanks Lyndon, I appreciate your honesty. COYB
Bill Kenwright for me, better the devil you know the devil you don't!
?Kenwright believes the Abu Dhabi group that invested in Manchester City could have ended up at Everton, if the club had had plans in place for a new stadium.?
The plans for Destination Kirkby was submitted to Knowsley council in February 2007.
Sheik Mansour buys Manchester City in September 2008.
Destination Kirkby was rejected in November 2009.
The plans for Destination Kirkby was submitted to Knowsley council in February 2007.
Sheik Mansour buys Manchester City in September 2008.
Destination Kirkby was rejected in November 2009.
What a Man! "I think Evertonians would rather stay with me for all my drawbacks" How can we doubt such sincerity? Purslow described him as "the ultimate fan chairman" and who are we cynics to doubt, this conniving fantasist? An actor, a Thespian, a luvvie and a total disgrace for what he's done to my club,
I've been supporting Everton since the days of the Second Division and this man has destroyed our club single-handedly. Why didn't Purslow ask him how Stoke, Bolton, Wolves etc are managing to make a better fist of it financially on much lower gates and much lower levels of support?
I've been supporting Everton since the days of the Second Division and this man has destroyed our club single-handedly. Why didn't Purslow ask him how Stoke, Bolton, Wolves etc are managing to make a better fist of it financially on much lower gates and much lower levels of support?
Richard. Totally agree with you, but "why didn't Purslow ask him" how other teams are better managed than us ? BK couldn't even tell BU where £24M of his own cash was, so his chances of answering you question intelligently were zero. Your question also assumes that this a genuine interview and wasn't (another) staged set piece to present him in a good light ahead of BU's next meeting and the associated publicity that will hopefully get.
Richard, I've just spat my tea out and had to register just to come back at that.
You want to compete with Stoke, Bolton and Wolves?
Bolton are bottom of the league, Wolves fight every year for 17th and Stoke, when was the last time they finished above Everton?
The rich men went for City. They didn't go for Everton, they didn't go for Liverpool either, it's just jealousy of City that you and others can blame Kenwright for this.
We're treading water on the outside of the big boys looking in. Unless someone wants to invest half a billion it's always going to be the case. You know anyone?
In the meantime we could sell one of our many quality players to balance out the debt, we're not a Leeds or Sheff Wed or City (pre money), we aren't going to drop down the leagues, but if Moyes/Kenwright was to go tomorrow, it could well happen.
You want Venkys to take over? The Poultry lunatics? How about the people who bought Portsmouth? Maybe Carson Yeung? that turned out well for Birmingham. Or Notts County... they found investment when "Bungling Bill" couldn't, did them wonders.
You want to compete with Stoke, Bolton and Wolves?
Bolton are bottom of the league, Wolves fight every year for 17th and Stoke, when was the last time they finished above Everton?
The rich men went for City. They didn't go for Everton, they didn't go for Liverpool either, it's just jealousy of City that you and others can blame Kenwright for this.
We're treading water on the outside of the big boys looking in. Unless someone wants to invest half a billion it's always going to be the case. You know anyone?
In the meantime we could sell one of our many quality players to balance out the debt, we're not a Leeds or Sheff Wed or City (pre money), we aren't going to drop down the leagues, but if Moyes/Kenwright was to go tomorrow, it could well happen.
You want Venkys to take over? The Poultry lunatics? How about the people who bought Portsmouth? Maybe Carson Yeung? that turned out well for Birmingham. Or Notts County... they found investment when "Bungling Bill" couldn't, did them wonders.
Re Anthony Doyle post 49. Why do people like you continue to quote bad examples ? like Carson Yeung? For every bad exapmple you quote, I could counter that with a good example. It serves no purpose to make stupid statements like that.
A more pertinent question would be to ask is: What would Bill do to stop any future people taking over the club and running it like he has?! He is the ultimate example of a bad owner!
Incidently, just what is so bad about the Venkys? Why is where they made their money from relevant also? I would be intrigued for you to list the terrible wrong doings that they have done at the club.
Thanks in advance
A more pertinent question would be to ask is: What would Bill do to stop any future people taking over the club and running it like he has?! He is the ultimate example of a bad owner!
Incidently, just what is so bad about the Venkys? Why is where they made their money from relevant also? I would be intrigued for you to list the terrible wrong doings that they have done at the club.
Thanks in advance
Venky's wrong doings:
1 - Sack Sam Allardyce when in the top 10
2 - Hire Steve Kean
3 - Promise him money to get in the Champions League
4 - Give him no money
5 - Embarrass the club trying to sign Beckham/Ronaldinho and ending up with Goodwillie.
6 - Failing to sack Steve Kean
That's all in less than a year... good going.
You're right, would love them to take over Everton; we too could have no debt but be in the bottom 3. This time next year, Steve Round could be our manger. Fingers crossed...
1 - Sack Sam Allardyce when in the top 10
2 - Hire Steve Kean
3 - Promise him money to get in the Champions League
4 - Give him no money
5 - Embarrass the club trying to sign Beckham/Ronaldinho and ending up with Goodwillie.
6 - Failing to sack Steve Kean
That's all in less than a year... good going.
You're right, would love them to take over Everton; we too could have no debt but be in the bottom 3. This time next year, Steve Round could be our manger. Fingers crossed...
Anthony Doyle and Gerard Carroll.
The issue I (and a few others) have with BK is that he has put the club on an unsustainable path. We cannot go on losing money and have a mountain of debt. Eventually, the pack of cards will collapse if we do. We badly need our debts to be cleared with an injection of outside equity. BK will NEVER be able to inject the kind of equity needed to put us on an even keel and avoid such a fate.
Given this, the only way of tackling our debt with BK in charge is to sell players. This is a highly risky strategy for 2 reasons: firstly, we will be dependent on David Moyes to keep us in the Premier League as our squad weakens. He has done it so far, but what if he walks? What if we cannot find another manager up to the task?
Secondly, we are in unchartered territory as far as the financial state of the game is concerned. The EPL is the second most indebted league in the world. Sky's business model is under threat from the internet and from legal battles. If the money dries up, who will buy our players for the kind of money needed to sustain our debt?
Warren Buffet said when the "tide is out we can see who is swimming naked".
BK's approach is to hope the tide never goes out. It is gambling with the future of the club.
A change is needed. Why is that people fear that the change will be in the form of a dodgy new owner? There are other options - a Supporters Club, for example, or an interim board, put in place to devise a plan to put us on the path to sustainability.
The issue I (and a few others) have with BK is that he has put the club on an unsustainable path. We cannot go on losing money and have a mountain of debt. Eventually, the pack of cards will collapse if we do. We badly need our debts to be cleared with an injection of outside equity. BK will NEVER be able to inject the kind of equity needed to put us on an even keel and avoid such a fate.
Given this, the only way of tackling our debt with BK in charge is to sell players. This is a highly risky strategy for 2 reasons: firstly, we will be dependent on David Moyes to keep us in the Premier League as our squad weakens. He has done it so far, but what if he walks? What if we cannot find another manager up to the task?
Secondly, we are in unchartered territory as far as the financial state of the game is concerned. The EPL is the second most indebted league in the world. Sky's business model is under threat from the internet and from legal battles. If the money dries up, who will buy our players for the kind of money needed to sustain our debt?
Warren Buffet said when the "tide is out we can see who is swimming naked".
BK's approach is to hope the tide never goes out. It is gambling with the future of the club.
A change is needed. Why is that people fear that the change will be in the form of a dodgy new owner? There are other options - a Supporters Club, for example, or an interim board, put in place to devise a plan to put us on the path to sustainability.
No (Anthony Doyle 49), I don't want to compete with such clubs on their footballing success, but I'd like to think that we could compete with them financially. Could we have attracted Crouch to our club?
I'm going to stick up for Kenwright as most don't, sure he has his faults but I applaud him for not selling us to the first bidder without bothering to find out what that bidder brings to the table (easy to be swayed by bluster).
As for takeovers I'd say the vast majority havn't worked out that well and listening to the inverview last night on Radio 5 I agreed with most of what Purslow and Kenwright were saying.
As for takeovers I'd say the vast majority havn't worked out that well and listening to the inverview last night on Radio 5 I agreed with most of what Purslow and Kenwright were saying.
Frank #39
That's semantic bollocks. Profanity fucking does enhance one's attempt at making a point.
That's semantic bollocks. Profanity fucking does enhance one's attempt at making a point.
EFC have not bought a player for over two years. We cannot get any credit from high street banks. Just to survive we will have to sell our best players. We have no plans for new income streams or new facilities.
Someone please explain how the fuck we could be worse off?
Someone please explain how the fuck we could be worse off?
Well said Kevin. In our current predicament we have two choices. At present ,we have a skint chairman who is clueless, out of his depth and devoid of any sort of strategy. Perhaps we could have a skint chairman with a business plan, with knowledge of the running of the club and who can see a future five years from now. Someone who can unite the supporters that Kenwright has divided and show, well....sense.
Kevin Tully # 4, he increasingly looks like Adolf Hitler in his bunker!
Kevin @ 52...
Nobody can get credit from high street banks or rather very very few, and it's going to get worse. This recession is not going to end anytime soon.
We could be Leeds, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Sunderland... the list goes on and on. The two Premier League clubs I've mentioned have spent some money and received decent money and both will behind us in the league at the end of the season ? per usual..!!
Nobody can get credit from high street banks or rather very very few, and it's going to get worse. This recession is not going to end anytime soon.
We could be Leeds, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Sunderland... the list goes on and on. The two Premier League clubs I've mentioned have spent some money and received decent money and both will behind us in the league at the end of the season ? per usual..!!
Oliver, some advice.
If you ever sit in a boardroom somewhere, don't reel off a list of poorly performing competing companies as an excuse for your results.
You will be collecting your P.45 on your way out!
If you ever sit in a boardroom somewhere, don't reel off a list of poorly performing competing companies as an excuse for your results.
You will be collecting your P.45 on your way out!
Marcus #54, BK nearly sold us to some scrote living in a bedsit not exactly a glowing reference for his credentials of spotting a suitable buyer.
The credit crunch or whatever excuse BK reeled out on whatever line of this scripted tosh as being an excuse for the last three years carefully avoided what his excuse has been for the previous seven years he also failed to find investment or a buyer.
Thanks for the advice Kevin,but i just pointed out how we could be worse off.
There's "a discordant note in every symphony. There shouldn't be, but there is in football." BK's reference in the interview to those fans who don't see the sun shining out of his fundament. If I wasn't sure that this was positioningby his camp pre the next BU meeting I am now
Lyndon by your definition, every website apart from the official club site is "independent". Yours is just not independent of minority pressure groups. There are dissenting voices from your party line, but the posters are heaped in abuse. When you reply in kind that is called out of order and deleted or never sees the light of day. It happens.
You claim neutrality in news reporting but the selection of stories to give prominence to are almost universally negative about the club. Club knockers are given plenty of freedom to say quite frankly libelous stuff about BK.
You say get out and about - on other internet forums! Actually I do a lot of social media - I talk to Evertonians face to face. That's the most authentic way of gauging the temperatue.
The problem with the likes of TW is it attracts all the internet warriors and know-alls who live their life out in cyber-space largely. See Gavin R above.
TW doesn't actually do any journalism of itself does it? It is a news aggregator with feeds/links to other news sites.
It does plenty of supposition, tons of conjecture and a mountain of bile - but is always light on the actual hard evidence.
Hence your spurious "email" revelation earlier this year re selling the club, along with lots of other "smoking guns" about BK unearthed usually by the power of Google.
And its also why you get posters like Nick, (who deride the mainstream media, who have to at least try to get some factual basis for a story) who almost daily spouts the usual "facts" with nothing to back it up.
As I said, it is your website you can do what you want. But it does censor those with opposing views to the party line and they get unwarranted abuse from the 'regulars' which doesn't seem to bother those up-holding the rules.
Hence it has become a predictable echo-chamber.
You claim neutrality in news reporting but the selection of stories to give prominence to are almost universally negative about the club. Club knockers are given plenty of freedom to say quite frankly libelous stuff about BK.
You say get out and about - on other internet forums! Actually I do a lot of social media - I talk to Evertonians face to face. That's the most authentic way of gauging the temperatue.
The problem with the likes of TW is it attracts all the internet warriors and know-alls who live their life out in cyber-space largely. See Gavin R above.
TW doesn't actually do any journalism of itself does it? It is a news aggregator with feeds/links to other news sites.
It does plenty of supposition, tons of conjecture and a mountain of bile - but is always light on the actual hard evidence.
Hence your spurious "email" revelation earlier this year re selling the club, along with lots of other "smoking guns" about BK unearthed usually by the power of Google.
And its also why you get posters like Nick, (who deride the mainstream media, who have to at least try to get some factual basis for a story) who almost daily spouts the usual "facts" with nothing to back it up.
As I said, it is your website you can do what you want. But it does censor those with opposing views to the party line and they get unwarranted abuse from the 'regulars' which doesn't seem to bother those up-holding the rules.
Hence it has become a predictable echo-chamber.
Robert 32 ? you make Investec sound like Kirkby Cleaners. They are a major bank listed in London and South Africa, that offers loans to private clients and businesses.
If you know something more put it up.
If you know something more put it up.
Adam (46) - try this timeline:
Plans submitted to Knowsley Council on 2 January 2008.
Knowsley Council approve the plans on 9 June 2008 (20 to 1 vote in favour)
6 August 2008 - plans "called in" by the Government
1 September 2008 - Man City bought out by Sheikh Mansour.
If the rumours that the Sheikh was sniffing around Everton were true, then this would fit in with the timeline - in other words, when Kirkby was called in, he pulled out of any potential deal.
As I've always said, we won't get a mega-rich buyer/investor until we get a new ground and we won't be able to afford a new ground until we get a mega-rich buyer/investor - Catch 22 I'm afraid.
Plans submitted to Knowsley Council on 2 January 2008.
Knowsley Council approve the plans on 9 June 2008 (20 to 1 vote in favour)
6 August 2008 - plans "called in" by the Government
1 September 2008 - Man City bought out by Sheikh Mansour.
If the rumours that the Sheikh was sniffing around Everton were true, then this would fit in with the timeline - in other words, when Kirkby was called in, he pulled out of any potential deal.
As I've always said, we won't get a mega-rich buyer/investor until we get a new ground and we won't be able to afford a new ground until we get a mega-rich buyer/investor - Catch 22 I'm afraid.
Mark (#65). Don't agree pal. The sheiks have just released plans for a multi million pound, super duper, training complex that you will be able to see from space.
I believe they would have found the money for our new ground down the back of the couch.
I believe they would have found the money for our new ground down the back of the couch.
A new stadium in place may be a key factor for millionaire investors, but for billionaire?
Nick Entwistle
Couldn't agree more, people hide behind this stadium malarky all the time - it's bollocks. We don't need another Kenwright but owners with serious loot who see the bigger picture.
Couldn't agree more, people hide behind this stadium malarky all the time - it's bollocks. We don't need another Kenwright but owners with serious loot who see the bigger picture.
So that's sorted then, we only need a billionaire and we're laughing.....easy this running a club lark.....
Ian @ 64,
Yes, you're quite right about Investec, but they still hold shares in agents' companies... Agents companies, who have shareholders like Dalglish etc, who make good on their investments, when there are major transfer deals between clubs.
What I'm saying is, it's a conflict of interests, by all parties.
As a football manager/player, you shouldn't be allowed to have shares in agents' companies, when you can benefit financially.
You picked up on Investec, what are your views regarding Green brokering the Rooney transfer?
By the way Ian, Dalglish and Keegan made money out of Rooney's transfer, Proactive were his agents (Stretford). Proactive later morphed into Formation, they have interests in Investec, and are also linked to the James Grant group, they are Rodwell's agents. I believe football is corrupt at every level.
Yes, you're quite right about Investec, but they still hold shares in agents' companies... Agents companies, who have shareholders like Dalglish etc, who make good on their investments, when there are major transfer deals between clubs.
What I'm saying is, it's a conflict of interests, by all parties.
As a football manager/player, you shouldn't be allowed to have shares in agents' companies, when you can benefit financially.
You picked up on Investec, what are your views regarding Green brokering the Rooney transfer?
By the way Ian, Dalglish and Keegan made money out of Rooney's transfer, Proactive were his agents (Stretford). Proactive later morphed into Formation, they have interests in Investec, and are also linked to the James Grant group, they are Rodwell's agents. I believe football is corrupt at every level.
There are dissenting voices from your party line, but the posters are heaped in abuse.
I don't claim this website to be 100% neutral ? we're fans of the club and we're human so biases will creep in occasionally ? but we take very active steps to ensure a voice for all kinds of opinion is always heard on the site.
If some opinions elicit strong responses from fellow fans, that's either reflective of a majority-held opinion among Evertonians at large, it characterizes our readership, or it's just indicative of the fact that the dissenters make the most noise.
Whatever the case, there is no unanimous or coordinated effort on the part of the editorial staff to shout down or abuse contributors to this website.
TW doesn't actually do any journalism of itself does it? It is a news aggregator with feeds/links to other news sites.
All we are is a news aggregator? I think that's disingenuous in the extreme. TW has always done journalism and any look back through our archives from the Kings Dock fiasco onwards will show that. Our editorial is often ahead of the curve, though. The stuff that was uncovered about Kirkby, in particular, on these pages revealed the project to be utterly flawed from the get-go. We were reviled as naysayers and whiners ? even though the site provided a platform for alternative schemes ? but were ultimately vindicated.
Colm Kavanagh was writing about his misgivings with Bill Kenwright as far back as 2004, most notably exposing the duplicity that was the Fortress Sports Fund, but it's taken seven years of mismanagement for enough people to question the Board that a body like The Blue Union can fill Goodison Road with protesters.
It does plenty of supposition, tons of conjecture and a mountain of bile - but is always light on the actual hard evidence. Hence your spurious "email" revelation earlier this year re selling the club...
You can laugh off the emails by putting the word in quotes all you like but they're real. Clearly your jaundiced view of this website prevents you from giving me more credit than to assume I'd make something up to suit an agenda but that's your prerogative. The emails are real ? I know because they were sent to me ? but, as I said before, they still don't prove anything other than the Club were being difficult to deal with, either deliberately or merely through incompetence.
I don't claim this website to be 100% neutral ? we're fans of the club and we're human so biases will creep in occasionally ? but we take very active steps to ensure a voice for all kinds of opinion is always heard on the site.
If some opinions elicit strong responses from fellow fans, that's either reflective of a majority-held opinion among Evertonians at large, it characterizes our readership, or it's just indicative of the fact that the dissenters make the most noise.
Whatever the case, there is no unanimous or coordinated effort on the part of the editorial staff to shout down or abuse contributors to this website.
TW doesn't actually do any journalism of itself does it? It is a news aggregator with feeds/links to other news sites.
All we are is a news aggregator? I think that's disingenuous in the extreme. TW has always done journalism and any look back through our archives from the Kings Dock fiasco onwards will show that. Our editorial is often ahead of the curve, though. The stuff that was uncovered about Kirkby, in particular, on these pages revealed the project to be utterly flawed from the get-go. We were reviled as naysayers and whiners ? even though the site provided a platform for alternative schemes ? but were ultimately vindicated.
Colm Kavanagh was writing about his misgivings with Bill Kenwright as far back as 2004, most notably exposing the duplicity that was the Fortress Sports Fund, but it's taken seven years of mismanagement for enough people to question the Board that a body like The Blue Union can fill Goodison Road with protesters.
It does plenty of supposition, tons of conjecture and a mountain of bile - but is always light on the actual hard evidence. Hence your spurious "email" revelation earlier this year re selling the club...
You can laugh off the emails by putting the word in quotes all you like but they're real. Clearly your jaundiced view of this website prevents you from giving me more credit than to assume I'd make something up to suit an agenda but that's your prerogative. The emails are real ? I know because they were sent to me ? but, as I said before, they still don't prove anything other than the Club were being difficult to deal with, either deliberately or merely through incompetence.
Paddy James, I tend to live the majority of my life in the real world, that would tend to be five days a week working and two days a week with my family - kind of like what I expect anyone in a similar position would do really.
Labelling me as an internet warrior living my life on the web smack of a little childishness. I responded on this thread with my perspective on matters. I recognise propoganda released in a timely manner with the BU meeting. Another poster made an assumption that BK knows a good buyer from a bad one when by his own admission he was fooled by a chancer who could easily have been found out prior to any meeting.
As far as silencing critics the very fact your post has seen the light of day pretty much negates your argument about the content of TW being one sided and solely interested in one side or the other.
Labelling me as an internet warrior living my life on the web smack of a little childishness. I responded on this thread with my perspective on matters. I recognise propoganda released in a timely manner with the BU meeting. Another poster made an assumption that BK knows a good buyer from a bad one when by his own admission he was fooled by a chancer who could easily have been found out prior to any meeting.
As far as silencing critics the very fact your post has seen the light of day pretty much negates your argument about the content of TW being one sided and solely interested in one side or the other.
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Research into EPL club spending has revealed how much teams spent per point gained & tonight's programme contrasts the positions of Everton & Liverpool.
The piece I heard this morning had our chairman, in full 'Spin mode' repeating some of his favourite excuses.
I feel he tends to get an easy ride from the BBC, both local & national, especially this station where he has friends. Being the BBC though there will be plenty of opportunities to comment & reply.
So please everyone, make an effort to listen. If we all comment & if necssary challenge, what is said tonight, we can maybe get a more accurate picture out to the media & other football fans.