Martinez reiterates that no contract talks are planned
Asked for his thoughts on concern among supporters at the 28 year-old's contract situation, Martinez replied by saying, "All that matters is that Leighton is fit, enjoying his football, and increasing his personal performance stats.
"That, for me, is very important — someone of his age and maturity is starting to enjoy his football in a great manner. The fact that he's developed his performance level as he has in the early weeks of the season is very significant. That's what matters to me. Everything else is just a case of trying to find an issue from the outside and see what we will comment on."
Though Baines doesn't appear to have hit full stride so far this season, perhaps due in some measure to the absence through injury of his partner in crime, Steven Pienaar, the indications are that he is happy with life on Merseyside.
Martinez full of praise for a man who is hoping his domestic form will earn him a place in the England squad for the 2014 World Cup.
Martinez said that, "there is no train of thought on [offering him a new contract] at the moment."
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536 Posted 24/10/2013 at 16:42:02
I guess Uncle Bill needs to top the black hole up so expect him to go in January.
That will be another matchwinner and goalscorer gone from our entertaining but anaemic squad.
543 Posted 24/10/2013 at 16:59:18
I'd take £15m plus Hernandez.
546 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:12:35
549 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:21:24
Tara lad, just don't go to the Mancs.
551 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:23:18
Although it'll be very difficult to source a replacement in January regardless of the money received, RM should spend it because history tells us it won't be around in the summer.
556 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:46:03
561 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:58:56
562 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:54:20
Like most EFC fans, I certainly don't want to see him go but we have accept the inevitable and plan to replace him. Valencia or Hernandez and Kagawa plus a bit of cash would be a good deal for us!
563 Posted 24/10/2013 at 17:52:11
All we can do now is get as much money as we can for Baines, probably spend 5 million of it on his replacement, and see the rest of the money disappear as usual.
Pissed off now again but I am use to it now.
565 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:03:28
There's no real sign of any pressure from Baines to leave, he's heavily involved in the England squad, and really he'd be just as well thinking about a move (if he's going to move) after the world cup, when he'll likely have more options and also have a better idea of where MU are gonna be in terms of performance.
I'd only bet small, but if I did bet then it'd be on Baines at least seeing out the season with us.
567 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:19:37
If United are still in the Champions League and the odds are that they will be, then playing in that side would enhance his chances of a starting place in Brazil.
If he stays with Everton and Cole is playing in the business end of the CL, then he will get the nod and we can't compete with that.
575 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:37:59
577 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:44:21
580 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:47:37
584 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:49:43
588 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:56:29
592 Posted 24/10/2013 at 19:01:08
594 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:47:54
You might want to start focusing a little harder Robbie lad, because the most exciting full back in Europe will not want to spend World Cup year wet nursing Distin and Jagielka.
So what if he loses possession trying to be creative, that has to be better than losing creativity trying to keep possession.
Get the shackles off... that's all.
612 Posted 24/10/2013 at 19:37:15
617 Posted 24/10/2013 at 19:56:59
But hey, we should all just move on. After all, a former manager trying to destabilize a club that gave him employment for 11 years and made him a multi-millionaire is entitled to try to fuck them over and take one of their most important players. I, for one, am taking the moral high ground favoured by so many and I'm happy to say that I now bear Moyes no ill will, the prick.
620 Posted 24/10/2013 at 19:53:27
Great player, great servant, so just hope he won't attract all the slagging our other defectors to Manu have suffered.
621 Posted 24/10/2013 at 19:59:23
623 Posted 24/10/2013 at 18:56:40
Maybe the moron we employ as our U21 manager will again anoint himself his unofficial spokesman and open his mouth to simultaneously undermine the player and the and the club.
If we had chairman with balls, we could do like Ferguson did over the transfer of Gabriel Hainez, and tell him that if he is to be sold, it should be not be to one (rival) club in particular. Failing that, Bill's mom could call on his behalf.
626 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:04:31
Its a bit gutting, especially him going to play for He Who Cant Be Named, but we'll survive. Let's hope Kenwright has taken the same hard stance as he did over Felli and we get Â£20+ mil. Then sell Jela and Johnny H and get some more new faces in.
627 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:09:12
If we refused to sell him in the summer surely we won't let him go half way through the season at a crucial time ?
I think we offered him a new contract but he didn't want to sign yet as he wants to see how our season goes. Hence the change in tact from RM.
Baines staying will depend on us qualifying for the Champs League.
628 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:10:48
632 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:11:04
Seems to me he could be better off waiting to make his decision.
Unless, of course, it is a done deal already, but I am hoping that it isn't.
633 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:17:33
I would certainly make Man Utd pay over the odds for his services, nothing less than £25m or he stays!
635 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:29:20
Martinez should obviously have said that Leighton Baines does not want to stay at Goodison and that the lad feels he could earn a shed load of money elsewhere. I think it's about time that managers were able to refuse to answer questions about players contracts outside of the window. It's tiresome and boring and serves no purpose.
639 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:38:44
The Reds will certainly need him in New Year if they are to make progress in the Champions League. I hear Roberto already has a replacement lined up... and it won't be Oviedo.
640 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:35:58
Baines will soon be 29 and Martinez needs to build a squad for the future, so lets just hope he's identified a younger replacement who can come straight in. Bertrand would be a good replacement IMO.
642 Posted 24/10/2013 at 20:51:54
That's what such as ourselves are up against when were talking possible top 4 spot for us.
Who ever we replace him with it will weaken the team, even if its only for his free kicks.
644 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:08:22
No, no, no to Hernandez or as he's more commonly known: Hernandez...offside.
645 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:12:29
Stubb's unhelpful comments seem to have more weight than anything Martinez has said on the situation so far.
646 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:01:15
Simply a massive gamble being yet another ex-Everton recruit for Man Utd their fans are heartily sick of it.
Now we attack from all areas having a left back as our only significant offensive weapon just highlights the previous regime's inadequacies.
Plenty of full backs around to do a defensive job and the creative slack has been taken up already if you subscribe to the latest theorem "our fullbacks don't attack anymore" (chortle, chortle) as we are rattling them in.
648 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:26:37
649 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:22:02
I remember at the time looking him up and he looked very impressive getting forward and chipping in with a few goals.
Can anyone remember his name? I know I am not giving you much to go on.
650 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:35:05
651 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:34:07
They don't say that Ronaldo is now getting near his last big contract so he will be a cut price bargain, so why should Bainsey be given that label. Best left back in Europe, should be closer to Â£25 - 30 million. If you don't ask, you wont get.
653 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:45:23
Spot on. If he intended to stay he would have signed a lucrative new deal already and be earning twice as much each week. He's been a great player for us but I can understand why he would want a guaranteed shot at the Champions League (we might make it, but it would be a gamble for him) before his playing days are finished. Also if he is at a CL team his chances of being first choice left-back in Brazil will be boosted. I respect the way he has conducted himself and will not begrudge him a move away, though he will be a big loss.
I would like to see us spend a large chunk of the money for Luke Shaw of Southampton who looks like a future England international. He has the same attacking instincts as Baines and is a lot younger, though he won't come cheep as Southampton seem to be in a healthy financial position these days. The remaining cash could then be added to the Fellaini and other money to put towards a midfielder in January and a striker next summer.
655 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:59:37
656 Posted 24/10/2013 at 21:53:02
657 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:04:26
The funny thing is Everton fans think we are the only club who have to sell their best players, which is not true.
Do you think Spurs fans wanted Van de Vaart and Bale to go? Arsenal have sold an entire team of their top stars in recent years. Ronaldo left Man Utd for Madrid and Man City lost their best player Tevez this season. Newcastle lost Demba Ba and Cabaye will be off soon, etc, etc, etc. It goes on and we have to live with it.
658 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:07:45
661 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:32:03
662 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:21:40
As one of our best players, maybe he is a little bitter towards the club because of the disparity in wages with other senior squad members?
Can't blame the lad to be honest, imagine the shite he has to listen to on England duty about the sort of money other players are earning.
A bad situation all round.
663 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:57:03
Baines a straight swap for Rooney?
Do you think Rooney would be happy with that and just imagine the look on his face when we tell him he'll have to make do with 60,000-80,000 P/W and not his usual 250,000?
That deal will go through smoothly, I've no doubt.
664 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:37:17
But I believe the board should refuse any approach from OT or price him out if Moyes comes looking. At the end of the day, unless the lad himself puts in a request, in writing, it's game over.
665 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:48:00
666 Posted 24/10/2013 at 23:04:37
He's valued at £6-8M, we'll need to move for him soon, his value will go up.
We're not the kind of club that pays a fortune for defenders, we tend to buy them cheap and sell big. He'll be valued like McCarthy before you know it.
668 Posted 24/10/2013 at 23:02:58
Man City did not mind letting Tevez go because they knew they had the money to bid for any striker in the world.
I would not mind being a selling club so much as long as we got the full amount we received to go into our transfer kitty, but as we know this never happens.
672 Posted 24/10/2013 at 23:23:44
Personally, I think he has probably already nosed ahead for the England spot. Unless Evra is also moving on in January he runs the risk of standing out less at United than he will for us.
Can people stop suggesting ridiculous swap deals with top clubs treasured possessions. If we can agree that part of the draw for Leighton is the chance to play in the best club competitions with a realistic chance to win some prizes then they are not going to jump at the chance of coming in the opposite direction, especially if it is likely to be for less money to boot. Realistically we are hoping RM can find a gem who has been discarded by those with too many to begin with, or one who has been overlooked / misidentified.
678 Posted 24/10/2013 at 22:48:42
I will lose all respect for Martinez if he can not get him to stay.
Kenwright will then get thrown out as our Cairman.
I think Moyes or Kenwright should have given him a ne contact in May 2013, but as always the true incompetance shines trough.
To lose Baines in a few months will be a collosal blow.
681 Posted 25/10/2013 at 00:53:38
I wish him well as he as got on with his job and the next contract is the big one and playing in the champions league must be a target for him.
If we are in the top 4 come January, what will the manager do?
Best Wishes to all!
686 Posted 25/10/2013 at 01:59:08
687 Posted 25/10/2013 at 01:53:12
I am hoping and praying he won't go, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.
688 Posted 25/10/2013 at 01:46:06
Two indespensible players sold in just six months, and with no chance of getting anybody as good as Baines I will quit, and say bye bye Kenwright and Martinez.
I am a hard ass on this Baines deal, there is a reason for that. Without Baines we are fucked.
692 Posted 25/10/2013 at 03:59:54
695 Posted 25/10/2013 at 04:10:09
As for the people who think a swap deal is silly, these things can happen in football. Le tissier never moving, Keegan to Southampton, Best to Fulham, Bellamy to Cardiff.
697 Posted 25/10/2013 at 04:47:55
Pat #692, agreed. Selling to survive is completely different from selling aging players to bring new ones in and refresh the team. How much longer can BK continue to get away with it?
700 Posted 25/10/2013 at 06:06:31
I keep promising myself to give Roberto a fair crack, not compare last season to this, but I find it impossible not to respond to silly attempts to create a myth.
We have to score six at Villa tomorrow to move ahead of last seasons total after 9 games and that's because our flying full backs were constantly giving the opposition something else to think about. Bainesy will know this; he won't be buying into these attempts to create a myth.
This has very little to do with money, ANY player would be forced to consider his options if he was having his natural game stifled in a World Cup year.
710 Posted 25/10/2013 at 08:45:37
Also imagine playing for that dour minge bag compared to seÃ±or Martinez - no thanks.
712 Posted 25/10/2013 at 08:56:00
713 Posted 25/10/2013 at 08:53:10
I wonder if Keisuke Honda is still available. We need a creative midfielder and he would replace Baines as free kick taker. Yes his wage demands would be high, but that would be offset by the lack of a transfer fee as he is almost out of contract now.
716 Posted 25/10/2013 at 09:01:55
Other than getting in a sugar daddy - impossible - owners like Kenwright can only hope 'to turn a shilling' in the transfer market to keep the club in business. Dislike him as I do, better by far than a comedian at the helm like the Venkeys or a Tan.Some will think otherwise.
723 Posted 25/10/2013 at 09:44:49
728 Posted 25/10/2013 at 10:18:57
At always happens but we don't like it. Look at old whisky nose telling lady boy that he would rather shoot him than sell him.
Martinez should give Bainsey the same ultimatum.
747 Posted 25/10/2013 at 10:58:46
749 Posted 25/10/2013 at 10:42:33
With Baines in the side for the full season, we have some hope; without him... no chance. Baines leaving, which he surely will, is just another example why we won't in my opinion ever finish in a CL spot until the club is sold.
755 Posted 25/10/2013 at 11:39:44
They should tell him frankly, "We'd love to keep you, but won't stand in your way of move if at the end of the season if you don't want to sign a new deal and fair bid is made."
756 Posted 25/10/2013 at 11:44:11
And since the Kings Dock never materialised, neither will a new buyer.
760 Posted 25/10/2013 at 12:23:11
The sale of Baines, if he is indeed off, can't do the morale of the other players any good either, and is bound to rock the boat a bit.
Question is how long before Barkley's on his bike too?
787 Posted 25/10/2013 at 14:05:09
Let's just hope that RM can unearth a few gems to keep us in the top third. Anything else is pure pipedream.
796 Posted 25/10/2013 at 14:43:25
813 Posted 25/10/2013 at 15:15:28
818 Posted 25/10/2013 at 17:06:56
913 Posted 26/10/2013 at 07:09:43
(Ged now ducks and awaits accusation of naivety etc etc)
914 Posted 26/10/2013 at 07:20:33
It is vital that we have players on long-term coontracts because we sell to buy, and to have a contract running down like that could cost Everton a lot of money if he leaves in the summer with only a year left we would barely get anything for him.
I am getting tired of the contradicting statements from RM. I hate it when managers makes a promise and then breaks that promise!! If RM wants a long-term job here he better start living up to his promises or he will be gone before he knows it.
Martinez will take the blame if Baines leaves us for half of his worth or free just because RM could not give him a new contract.
208 Posted 27/10/2013 at 14:48:39
211 Posted 27/10/2013 at 14:53:19
213 Posted 27/10/2013 at 14:55:12
All these wins and yet you are questioning his job security after he played down a contract issue with one of our players.
216 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:06:37
217 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:08:23
It seems you want him sacked after 8 games.
218 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:08:57
True that every club sells at some point, but the difference is that the clubs you mention are running at a profit and have backers with cash, whereas we have to sell before we can buy. Financially we are a badly run club. Corporate visitors still have to eat and drink in a tent on the car park at half time and have done for nearly 20 years. What sort of chairman can't sort that out in 15 years?
221 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:10:42
Now I don't blame Roberto for this; you can only suspect a contract is on the table but Leighton is not for signing. Certainly Stubbs's unfortunately timed comments would support this.
The rest of his post deserves the comments it's getting.
224 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:16:12
I do think that Baines is worth more than £15m though; he's got 3-4 yrs left as a Prem player & is capable of scoring from free kicks from any distance.
225 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:26:29
If Baines wants to leave – and we don't know for sure he does – then he goes for as much as we can get for him. That's the way we have been operating for a good 20 years, Kendall Mk II left because he felt the board hadn't backed his judgment. RM has only been here five minutes and he knows the financial situation.
If you want to have a pop at someone, Jimmy, have a pop at the people who are running the club.
226 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:13:49
● Luke Shaw would relocate from the south coast because... ?
● Southampton would sell Luke Shaw because... ?
Oh, and Jimmy Sorheim, you're embarrassing yourself horribly. You really need to stop it for your own sake.
227 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:31:34
228 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:34:34
1) We don't get hurricanes on Merseyside.
2) Money talks. If we make a big enough bid......
229 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:35:45
● Everton don't need to sell so fully capable of setting a high price – pay it or do one
● Man Utd, the richest club in the country, are desperate and currently being managed by a complete arsehole – pay the asking price, which should reflect their wealth and also ability to pay the whole sum in cash, early in January, or do one.
Shaw as a replacement for less than half the sale price is good business.
238 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:49:31
I agree it's probably about damage limitation now. What I would question is being publicly quoted about his intention to offer Baines a new contract after the deadline if he wasn't sure that is what the player wanted. Sometimes being media friendly has its downside.
248 Posted 27/10/2013 at 15:34:09
I'm usually one to spout crazy stuff on here but I cannot believe some of the hyperbole and utter fantasy I'm reading on this post. From a financial perspective, selling Baines in January makes the most sense. Prices are usually inflated mid-season - Moyes said as much himself when trying to explain why he "didn't like" buying in January - and if in the summer when he's only got a year left he'll either be a lot cheaper for a buyer, or able to sign a pre-contract for after his contract is up, increasing his wage power.
Stubb's comment, for me, shows that he is either also under Moyes' power and angling for a move away to Old Trafford in United supporters' slowly growing worst nightmare, or he has terrible judgment for a supposed ex-professional footballer.
John Haldane, you ask two very good questions that have answers that wouldn't contain the word "Everton". If Shaw is going to go anywhere in the next couple of seasons, it will be to London or Manchester for a lot of money.
If/when Baines leaves, life at Everton will go on.
254 Posted 27/10/2013 at 16:26:37
Unfortunately if Baines does not want to sign a new contract then actually we do need to sell.
As his existing contract counts down so does his transfer value at each window. Maximum value will be obtained in January.
382 Posted 27/10/2013 at 21:39:50
405 Posted 27/10/2013 at 23:01:30
446 Posted 28/10/2013 at 09:11:30
EITHER PAY UP OR BE ON YOUR WAY!
448 Posted 28/10/2013 at 09:20:26
Sooner or later the profit we made on Felliani will be gone. Fringe players alone will not raise the cash we will need to buy quality players and pay the bills.
Baines did politely ask to be allowed join Utd in the summer. I think that the only thing that stopped him being sold was the lack of a formal transfer request. This was purely for the sake of appearances in my view. If he does hand in a request in January he will go.
Rather than hold out for a fee we may not get before the end of the January window, I would take 12m -15m if it came early enough in January. I know that this is below his worth but this sum, plus what is left over from the summer, plus hopefully the sale of fringe players, would allow us the time and cash to get at least two quality players in. In my mind, the trade off is an improved squad going into the second half of the season. We should use the last of the Felliani money now on the squad while we still have it.
The flip is though, selling Baines for less than his worth could cause discontent among the fans and ruin the hard stance we took in the summer. It would also put huge pressure on Martinez to buy the quality players.
456 Posted 28/10/2013 at 09:55:16
From a purely football point of view if we sold Baines for £12-15M and that meant us getting in a Martins Indi (a centre half to replace Distin long term) and money with next years TV deal towards a replacement for Lukaku, I would take it. Baines probably deserves his move and I would not begrudge it him.
On a personal level I think he will be a loss. Clubs need local players in order to connect with the fan base after all. With Barkley though, it could be argued that the sentimental argument is no longer applicable?
836 Posted 29/10/2013 at 20:39:01
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