Fan Comment 27comments | Jump to last Share this article Reader Comments (27) Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer Steve Hogan 1 Posted 17/04/2016 at 08:42:07 At the risk of sounding boring, surely Martinez has now reached the 'point of no return' in the eyes of the vast majority.I simply can't believe he has the ability or foresight to turn it around now or next season should he be kept on.If the club is going to show REAL ambition, they MUST set their sights higher than Martinez, another 12 months of going backwards would risk potential relegation, and that would simply be a catastrophe. Tony Abrahams 2 Posted 17/04/2016 at 09:17:39 Never a dull moment Ken? Well Not until the football gets in the way!Hope you're right though and we have two trips to Wembley to look forward to, even if I can't even bring myself to think about the first one just yet.Maybe if that programme seller is also a prophet, we might just find some belief. Jeff Armstrong 3 Posted 17/04/2016 at 09:19:09 Barkley came on and was awful,. He is unfit, overweight, will not put a tackle in, or even pretend to make a tackle. The lad is currently a liability, but he will start at Wembley and, to me, that shows how incompetent our manager is for allowing this situation to develop. The lad has bags of talent but is being ruined by a charlatan of a boss. Christopher Timmins 4 Posted 17/04/2016 at 09:49:47 Ken, you used the word "sad" a lot in your article and indeed it is a very sad situation. It looks as if the manager's time is up and based upon results he can have no complaints. However, I would never want Everton FC to lose a game even a goal within a game just to make things worse for him and hasten his departure.We have a massive game next Saturday evening and we need everyone behind the team. Ray Roche 5 Posted 17/04/2016 at 10:01:36 There were some truly dreadful performances out there yesterday, with the possible exception of Stones, Funes Mori and Gibson who, in his first start of the season, showed as much in an attacking or forward passing game as McCarthy has all season. Osman was knackered, understandably with so little game time under his belt, but he showed Jagielka what being a Captain should be, berating the hapless Pawson as they walked off at half time. Kone looked like the winner of a Jim'll Fix It competition, where the winner is plucked from the crowd and given the number nine shirt as his prize. Utterly useless. Niasse must be a Bakayoko play-alike if he can't get on instead of Kone who must now rank alongside Brett Angel, Bernie Wright and Rod Belfitt as the worst forwards we've seen. Whatever the story with Niasse, it won't make pleasant reading. Martin Nicholls 6 Posted 17/04/2016 at 10:06:38 Christopher - well said. Ken - as usual, your report was better than the match! Agree your comments about Davies. Martin Nicholls 7 Posted 17/04/2016 at 10:10:29 Ray - agree your comments about Kone but in defence (he says, tongue in cheek!) of Bernie Wright, at least he was prepared quite literally (!) to fight! Jeff Armstrong 8 Posted 17/04/2016 at 10:28:01 Kone, Mirallas, Oviedo, Deulofeu, Besic, where all given an opportunity yesterday to show the manager they where worth a place in the coming games. Each of them where crap, to a man. No fight, no determination, nothing. To me, it came across as "Not bothered because we're crap, got a crap boss, and we'll get beat in the semi anyway."Martinez has lost the players, I'm afraid. Dennis Stevens 9 Posted 17/04/2016 at 12:03:36 It's a grim situation & the deafening silence from the Boardroom doesn't help. I can only hope wheels are turning in the background & preparations are being made for swift action at the point deemed appropriate although some of us would say that point passed a short while ago. Well written, as always, Ken, but you're quite right in grasping the word of the moment: sad, sad, sad. Ray Roche 10 Posted 17/04/2016 at 12:37:30 Martin, I suppose we could have got Bellew out of the stands if we needed more fight. He was sat next to Kenwright and Moshiri was on his own. You saw a glimpse of him rooting through his pockets looking for a receipt or something.....muttered something about getting his money back. Frank McGregor 11 Posted 17/04/2016 at 12:52:28 Ken, Good report as usual. Very sad to see the team sinking so fast. To be honest, I feel sorry for Martinez, he is completely out of his depth as a Premier League manager.The one good thing about yesterday's game was Lukaku's contribution: he done more for the team sitting on the bench than Wednesday's game at Crystal Palace."I want to play in the Champions league" give me a break. Tony Dove 12 Posted 17/04/2016 at 12:57:10 Great report, Ken, only one step away from an obituary really. I think young Davies's tackle just reminded everyone of what uncommitted and clueless dross we've got accustomed to. John Raftery 13 Posted 17/04/2016 at 13:09:54 There is no question that the semi must be prioritised over the derby. That is definitely the way most match going fans view it. After Coleman's injury we dare not risk injury to any more of our core players and playing two tough games in less than 72 hours is just asking for trouble. So despite the poverty of their performance, for the derby I would stick with most of the eleven which finished yesterday's game. Having seen only five league wins at Anfield in 46 visits, I can easily wait another season to see the next one. Peter Murray 14 Posted 17/04/2016 at 13:15:56 Regardless of the quality of Ken's article, it just clouds over the pathetic nature of our "Blues" play again. No heart, with supposed Wembley positions/bench etc. available... it was as if we were "playing" away.Pathetic, a new low, heartless regardless of Wembley next Saturday they couldn't win an argument. No excuses this was just a new low; under any other manager, positives would be expressed, players would be castigated, but not this "No-mark"!!! Just how long has Coronation Bill been at Goodison, as currently him & our no-mark are just a joke, an exceptionally poor imitation of our beloved Blues. Please, please let's have some ACTION, from our so-called board, or are watching a different match?? Match of the Day, equally as painful with Lineker, as always an equal, no mark, comment joke!! I've watched, supported the Blues for 50? years. Get rid please!! Gerard Carey 15 Posted 17/04/2016 at 14:14:41 Thanks, Ken. Horrible feeling around Goodison at the moment. Long time since it's been that way. Read on some stats that Everton have made the least number of tackles of all the teams in the Premier League this season. It's easy to see why, young Davies showed that bit of bite that should shame some of the older ones. Last season, Lennon did the same, his eagerness to get the ball back showed up the others. We look unfit, uncoached, with very little interest in games. I hope things turn around for the semi-final but I won't hold my breath. Rob Halligan 16 Posted 17/04/2016 at 14:24:20 Like you John, #13, I've only ever seen us win twice at Anfield, and one of those was a league cup game. I'd go as far as say play the U21 team on Wednesday. I will probably get slaughtered for saying this, but as most seem to think we will lose anyway, no point in risking injury to any more key players. As me and you attend all away games, including all the European ones, I don't think we should be criticised for suggesting such a team line-up for Wednesday. David Griffiths 17 Posted 17/04/2016 at 15:54:49 I have a very long memory and a very good recall of what it felt like to be at certain matches in the past. Yesterday reminded me of the death throes of the Gordon Lee era in 1981. Having been 3rd in October and 5th in December, we only won another 2 or 3 league games all season. We had a good run to the quarter final of the FA Cup beating Arsenal, Liverpool and Southampton in epic matches at Goodison. But after losing to Man City in the 6th round replay the rest of the season was horrendous and we sank to 15th. I remember the home match against Norwich in April which we lost 2-0 (goals by Joe Royle and the late Justin Fashanu). The sense of absolute hopelessness on that day, and the feeling that we would never win another match was exactly what it felt like at Goodison yesterday even when we were briefly 1-0 up. Kone is the new Imre Varadi, Funes Mori is the new Billy Wright, Mirallas is the new Joe McBride and Martinez is a poor man's Gordon Lee. The present manager and most of the team are absolutely hopeless and the only way forward is to rip up everything about the Martinez era and start again from scratch with a new manager and new players there are only a handful of the present players I would keep. It will take time, but with the financial clout that we apparently have now, this has to happen. I just can't understand how Martinez is still employed it beggars belief, it really does. Mike Allison 18 Posted 17/04/2016 at 16:03:28 David that's ridiculous. Most of our players are good enough and have already shown that this season, just only in patches of halves of games. All that's needed is a new manager who the players believe in and the ones who looked hopeless yesterday will suddenly look like, well, themselves about six months ago.Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water, spitting the dummy etc. Brian Dagnall 19 Posted 17/04/2016 at 16:36:13 Thanks Ken, your report is pretty well spot on. Not sure I agree with those who say some players are spineless, to me they all seem to play with spirit, and the congrats to Mori when he scored seemed to me to be warm and genuine. They do care, I feel. No, my problem is with the skill levels when we try to keep the ball at close quarters ... we come second so often. Don't we practise? We look ponderous when playing the ball around, taking one or two touches when a one touch would be better, not sure what sort of pass we should be playing, never making a "1-2" run, And this has to be down to the manager and his style of play.Good players in our team look average at best because of this ponderous approach. And then we ask our good players to "carry" the likes of Osman, Delofeu, and Kone, who contribute bugger all, and regularly give the ball away. This is unrealistic, no team of players can handle that load. So I am a bit defensive about some of our players who are being asked to do a "double shift" covering for some of the crap we carry thanks to the blindness of our manager. How could he keep Osman on for 90 minutes, when he hardly did a completed pass?Frustrating watching the Blues when we make so many elementary errors. If a sliderule pass is intercepted, well that happens, but a 10 yard pass with nobody on, wow, I get really angry. Bill Gall 20 Posted 17/04/2016 at 16:39:09 With all the criticism that Martinez receives, he is doing what Kenwright sees as a reason for keeping him, and that is an average of over 38,000 at the home games.Kenwright is the problem at Goodison as he is the one despite all his cheap talk that does not see us as a big club and is happy with the plucky Everton talk.The only way that we will improve on and off the pitch is if the new majority shareholder takes over and places his own chairman in charge, answerable to him. David Chait 21 Posted 17/04/2016 at 17:19:21 Recorded the game as I missed it. Just to watch the last 10 minutes and the newbies... In that time, I want to mention:Stones was excellent. And all the idiots writing him off will soon be in tears when he goes;Barkley had the ball on a string most the time and was trying to run the show and I would say he was;Besic was having the best game of McCarthy's season... breaking up play, passing the ball on nicely;Osman was a poor version of Cleverly some nice touches but lost the ball too;Then Davies: Davies was brilliant! DFM in the Premier League at 17! That's the reserve of gifted strikers. Great touch, confidence and a perfect tackle. You know him and Besic looked superb together. Yep remember the name alright!In those 10 minutes, the team was buzzing, players had movement and I couldn't believe it was the team I was reading on our live forum. That team was the better side. John Raftery 23 Posted 17/04/2016 at 18:08:58 Thanks Rob (17). A good idea about playing the Under-21s. Our neighbours seem to have no hesitation in throwing a group of kids into the first team. We would learn more for the future than we will using players who are coming to the end of their careers. Catterick played a team of reserves at Leeds in 1966. We lost 4-1, were fined by the FA, but a week later won the semi final. Nobody was in the least bit bothered about the Leeds result. Terry Underwood 24 Posted 17/04/2016 at 19:31:08 To be honest, from what I see on TV, Barkley's bad moments far outweigh his good moments... if we could get a decent wedge for him, I would take it. As a replacement, I would stick my neck out and say Zac Clough, just relegated to League One with Bolton may be worth a punt. Alan Bodell 25 Posted 18/04/2016 at 16:25:48 With the doom on TW I've just got round to log on, we had a totally patched up team of second-choice and and players with extreme lack practice then got a point against a very good side. Yes ,we were in our own half mostly but we had 2 young boys coming on for their first games (Tom Davies will be in the full England team within 3 years).I want this manager out as much as many but please just fucking lay off Bill Kenwight who is not well at all and anyone having a go right now is a disgrace, there is not an Evertonian with more blue blood in his veins as Bill. Ray Roche 26 Posted 18/04/2016 at 17:28:05 Alan (#26),"Tom Davies will be in the full England team within 3 years."If he played for Spurs, he'd be in now... ;-) Alan Bodell 27 Posted 18/04/2016 at 19:28:29 Ray, he is still light framed and just 18 so I think one more year on the weights and this kid has enormous potential (I hate to say it, but more than Ross is showing). If ever I saw a young Alan Ball (I was lucky to see him play many times), then this lad is the next. Ray Roche 28 Posted 18/04/2016 at 22:42:09 Alan, I agree, he certainly looks the part, I was impressed watching him in the Under 21's on TV recently. To be fair, Ross also showed tremendous potential in his first season, sadly, his progression appears to have stalled recently. Add Your Comments In order to post a comment, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site. » Log in now Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and Talking Points submissions across the site. About these ads Find out how to browse ad-free and support ToffeeWeb © ToffeeWeb