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Mark Andrews
1 Posted 23/10/2016 at 15:01:07
There have been some proper, post match hysterical comments on here. I hope that, on reflection, in the cold light of the day after, some people realise the stupidity of their hot-headed comments.

I can't believe we lost that game but lose it we did. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, eh, kids? Now pick up teddy and behave yourselves.

Nicholas Ryan
2 Posted 23/10/2016 at 16:00:43
Has anyone else noticed the painful irony, that the only person currently on the books of Everton Football Club who is scoring regular goals is Oumar Niasse!!
Patrick Murphy
3 Posted 23/10/2016 at 16:07:21
There's also that other bloke too Nicholas, Romelu something or other –can't quite think of his surname. Niasse didn't have the opportunity to add to his tally wasn't even in the squad for the U23s.
Ben Dyke
4 Posted 23/10/2016 at 17:02:21
The new manager has tightened us up a bit but we now lack fluidity in the final third. I still have a great deal more belief in Koeman's approach to the game than that Martinez guy's.

But it could be a tough learning curve for players and manager here. We've had too many poor results already after a pretty promising start. Let's hope they still believe in themselves as it would be quite easy for heads to drop now after 5 without a win.
Soren Moyer
5 Posted 23/10/2016 at 18:44:29
I believe most of these players are not suited to Keoman's system. I would only keep Bolasie, Idrissa, Williams and perhaps Lukaku. The rest are too lightweight.
Anthony Hughes
6 Posted 23/10/2016 at 19:57:19
Tightened us up abit? We've kept 3 clean sheets out of 11 games this season and one of them was against Yeovil. For a team that is struggling for goals then clean sheets are a must if we are to take all three points in a game.
Chris Gould
7 Posted 23/10/2016 at 20:24:35
Mark #1. Absolutely spot on. It's ridiculous. Pathetic even.

Fair enough to get angry, frustrated and upset, but go away and get it out of your system before posting such hysterical nonsense.

Anthony Hughes
8 Posted 23/10/2016 at 20:37:54
Can we please stop with the Niasse shit as well please. He isn't good enough and if we're to progress then we need better strikers than him, someone who can come in alongside Rom who at least can replace him if he's out.
Peter Murray
10 Posted 24/10/2016 at 09:25:18
We currently lie 6th, 4 points off 5th placed Chelsea and 3 above 10th placed Bournemouth. It's beginning to look as though we'll be plying our 2016-17 Premier League trade in this area.
Christopher Timmins
11 Posted 24/10/2016 at 10:44:02
We have 15 points after 9 games, which if repeated over the course of the season would result in a total in excess of 60 points. I would gladly take that scenario this morning.

What is obvious from the first 9 games is that the current manager took over a team that were no better than mid-table. For all his subsequent disappointments and troubles in management, Moyes left us in far better shape than Martinez did.

To go from a 6th- /8th-placed team to a top-4 team is going to take time and a couple of successful transfer windows.

The last window was a limited success but a bit of panic broke out on the last day with the chase for the Newcasle midfielder at crazy money, which was not the way Walsh operated at Leicester or the way Ronald operated at Southampton.

Jim Burns
12 Posted 24/10/2016 at 15:29:27
Anthony @6 – we have conceded on average of just under one goal per league game this season – bettered only by Spurs in the Premier League.

We conceded 1.4 goals per game last season. Measurable and steady progress in anybody's book, I would suggest, only nine games into Koeman's tenure.

Anto Byrne
13 Posted 24/10/2016 at 17:11:22
Since Holgate was dropped, our form has dipped. Coleman is no longer effective and adds very little to the team. McCarthy at least puts in the effort. Play Ross Barkley up front in a 4-4-2 system and let's have Davies on in the midfield – at least he adds a bit of spark.

Jagielka should have been sold to Sunderland for Kone. Barry may be a great player but we still look shakey at the back so what is going on there?

I'm happy for the team to continue to develop and perhaps another 8 to 10 games may see some improvement. Not sure why the team that did so well at Man City was changed.

John Keating
14 Posted 24/10/2016 at 18:21:46
We continue to play the ball up to Lukaku with his back to goal. His hold-up play and first touch is appalling. Played through, he is world class... so why we can't play to his strengths is beyond me.

We need a small nippy Defoe type in the box to complement Lukaku's power. I also think it might be time to give Funes Mori a game alongside Williams.

There are no so-called 'easy' games in the Premier League but, if we want European Football and can't beat Bournemouth, Burnley and Palace, then we don't deserve it. 8 points dropped to these teams would have had us doing a Leicester...

Danny Broderick
15 Posted 24/10/2016 at 22:00:23
The problems we have can only be solved by recruitment of players. Our main issues are in the final 3rd. We have no alternative to Lukaku, and from the supporting players, only Bolasie is 1st choice. You just can't rely on Barkley, Mirallas, Deulofeu etc.

I would like to see Lennon given a run, as he has always done ok for us, and I don't think Koeman has given him a fair crack yet. And Bolasie has to play, particularly after we spent £30 million on him. But as a minimum, we need a number 10 and a striker. Hopefully we can do some business in January.

Unless we can bring some players in, we will struggle to break into the top 6. I do believe we will finish in the top half though. Between now and next season, Koeman must make his own mark on the squad, and phase out some of the Martinez driftwood. For me, this includes Barkley, Gibson, Mirallas and Deulofeu. We need some ruthless new additions who do the business every week, not players who flutter to deceive or can't last 90 minutes.

Michael Kenrick
16 Posted 25/10/2016 at 04:50:22
Danny... "flutter to deceive" – that's actually quite good... in fact, it's perfect for our lot.

I don't agree with the rest of your post, though; this holding out for the salvation that comes in the next transfer window. I can't believe Lyndon is buying into this nonsense too, but I guess there's an imperative to keep the mythos alive, and the perennial hope that all our problems will be solved in the next transfer window.

To me, it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad how people throw out names of all these players they want to see at Everton, as if it was some kind of referendum, the one with he most mentions gets picked by Steve Walsh.

We have no influence... zero... zilch on who comes to Everton. Heck, judging by the last fiasco, even Walsh, Koeman and Moshiri aren't in control. I mean, Bolasie? Sissoko?? Valencia??? Total desperation. These are not and never will be Everton players. And half of you believe this is going to fix the issues in our team? Sorry... I just don't geddit.

We have a squad of highly paid professional footballers, ffs. No more excuses. They need to perform. Getting them to play as a team is Koeman's job.

Darren Hind
17 Posted 25/10/2016 at 05:18:53
Spot on MK
Brian Porter
18 Posted 25/10/2016 at 08:12:48
On the subject of striking options, I'm still wondering whose brainless idea it was to let Shani Tarashaj go to Germany on a year-long loan. Just watched him score a great goal for Eintracht Frankfurt in a 3-0 win over Hamburger SV. He showed pace, power and a great ability to finish somewhat reminiscent of Rom's powerful run and finish in the cup against Chelsea.

If it was Koeman's,decision to let him go, I would seriously begin to question just what our new manager is looking for up front. This lad is good, a full international and is clearly seen as being of a high enough standard for the Bundesliga, which I watch regularly and where the standard is as good as the Premier League despite some people thinking ours is the best league in the world.

The guy should be here playing for his parent club, not going off on loan like some youth player looking to make the grade. With limited striking options, I just can't understand why he was sent to Germany.

Tony Hill
19 Posted 25/10/2016 at 08:36:07
Why can't both things be true? We need much better cohesion and performance from the existing squad but we also need better players in key areas, as we have done for at least 18 months.
Peter Barry
20 Posted 25/10/2016 at 09:14:49
Now that the new Manager uptick is over and the new Owner euphoria has abated and, some supporters at least, have returned from the Cloud Cuckoo Land where they went in their OTT enthusiasm and reactions perhaps we can face reality and realize that far too many of our players are just not good enough.
Trevor Peers
21 Posted 25/10/2016 at 09:23:45
NO Everton or International manager has ever managed to consistently get the best out of Barkley, Mirallas or Deulofeu, and that's going back over the past three years.

Why should we expect Koeman to be any different? Clearly none of them are good enough and should all be replaced, we're stuck with them for the moment though, so it will take time, before we can move forward.

Brian Harrison
22 Posted 25/10/2016 at 09:33:47
MK

You criticize some posters for throwing out names of players we should sign in the next transfer window. Then go on to say Bolasie and Valencia are not Everton players. You also put Sissoko in that category well Pochettino isn't a bad judge and he rates him just like Koeman did.

I would be interested to hear what is an Everton type of player, of the ones available for us to sign.

Richard Dodd
23 Posted 25/10/2016 at 10:00:27
Brian @ 18 regarding Tarashaj; I, too, have admired the football played in the Bundeslega although Shani Tarashaj has only appeared three times for Frankfurt (as a midfielder) scoring only the one goal to which you refer.

On signing for Everton earlier this year, Martinez sent him back to Grasshoppers of Switzerland from whom he was signed last January. There he scored 3 goals in 15 games.

I suggest to you that his style and role is rather akin to that of Naisy rather than that of an all-out attacker and is he better than what we have here? I doubt very much we shall ever have the chance to find out!

Stan Schofield
24 Posted 25/10/2016 at 10:12:19
I agree with Michael @16. We have enough players of real ability in the squad to expect improvement under the new manager. These players have enough experience and adaptability to get this improvement without relying on mythical signings in future transfer windows.

Yes, future signings should create even further improvement, but IMO the current squad should be sufficient to get decent results, especially against the likes of Burnley. What seems to be lacking still is overall gelling of the team, which Koeman will hopefully sort out.

Phil Walling
25 Posted 25/10/2016 at 10:18:47
Trevor Peers (21), I'm with you there. It occurs to me that what we see from this unholy trinity you mention IS their best!

Certainly they have all had 'good' games – even Niasse had one the other day, albeit for the kids – but seem incapable of 'getting their arses into gear' on anything like a regular basis.

Most of our players are of similar ilk and whilst Ranieri proved miracles can happen, I very much doubt one will occur at Goodison any time soon.

Laurie Hartley
26 Posted 25/10/2016 at 10:35:57
Michael (#16) – I too am bemused that you don't rate Bolasie as an Everton player.

I think you are right about Sissoko and Valencia but Bolasie – I can't have that. I think he is a cracking player.

Tony Hill
27 Posted 25/10/2016 at 10:47:33
If we don't think that we need the early signing of players to boost the team then why did we hire Steve Walsh at great expense? I don't understand the argument that recognising deficiencies and looking to fix them as soon as possible is an exercise in wishful thinking or is in some way letting Koeman off the hook.
Rob Halligan
28 Posted 25/10/2016 at 10:51:42
Watching a live game from Australia, involving a player we could probably do with right now. A goalscoring midfield player who likes to get in the face of the opposition players and manager alike, and wind them up and who never gives less than 100% every match.

Tim Cahill playing for Melbourne City against Melbourne Victory in the Australian FA Cup semi-final. He hasn't changed. GO TIMMY GO!!

Apologies to any Melbourne Victory fans by the way!!

Brent Stephens
29 Posted 25/10/2016 at 13:22:04
Michael #16 I, too, liked "flutter to deceive".

And now your " I guess there's an imperative to keep the mythos alive" - a reasonable brew if kept lively.

But (regarding players people on TW want to sign) "We have no influence... zero... zilch...". But then why comment on anything at all that we have no control over - manager, chairman, tactics, stadium (moderator!). It's the fun of TW.

Brian Furey
30 Posted 25/10/2016 at 15:25:16
Brian Porter (#18), Tarashaj has only played 113 mins (in 3 games) for Frankfurt and that was his first goal. He isn't exactly setting the world alight and sounds a bit like Deulofeu or Mirallas.

Trevor Peers (#21), I totally agree. Mirallas is 27 but has spent most of his career in and out of the team and not fulfilling his potential. Geri looks like he has all the tools and the pace but hugely lacking in his commitment and effort.

I always think that if you compare the attitude of Coleman who had to fight a lot harder in life to make it as a professional footballer to the likes of Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barkley who seem much more laid back and couldn't be arsed half the time. Did they earn their big bucks too young and don't appreciate putting in the effort???


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