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Gaute Lie
1 Posted 05/12/2016 at 19:05:14
Deserved one point. But the penalty looked cheap.
Mark Murphy
2 Posted 05/12/2016 at 19:59:30
"39-yard pass"??
That was 40 yards or I'm a Dutchman, Ken!

Thanks for your report as ever, Ken. I'd love to meet you one of these days before and after in the rRoom of Nonsense (the Wilmslow??)

Dave Williams
3 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:01:13
The enalty was cheap but they should have been down to nine men by that time so it evened out.

I disagree with you Ken about the young players – often the best will only show when given a chance –good players will respond to a good crowd not to a couple of hundred at an under 23s game.

What on earth was the point of playing Tom Cleverely yesterday? He tries but will never ever be a first team player. Play Davies before he gets fed up.
Otherwise your usual excellent report but mention Valencia – I thought he looked useful!

Danny Broderick
4 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:11:22
I liked Fellaini when he was at Everton but I definitely prefer him since he went to Man Utd!
Ian Jones
5 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:29:24
I thought the penalty was right as I think Fellaini also touched Gana's foot as Gana was going past. Admittedly more of an awkward challenge but we will take what we can get!
Phil Walling
6 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:51:04
I'm getting the distinct impression that those who went to the game rather than merely commented from the armchair were far more happy with the display.

Certainly, Ken's report is more positive than most I have read – including that of the Ed – and whilst I'm not overly impressed by Koeman and his version of hoof-ball, it is early days, after all.

Mike Gaynes
7 Posted 05/12/2016 at 20:59:42
Ken, loved the guitar comment. Your column is the tastiest post-game treat of the week, always.

I'd love to know how you compile these detailed observations in mid-action. Are you dictating into a voice recorder, or are you the world's fastest note-taker?

Peter Laing
8 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:07:29
The Room of Nonsense has got to be the Barlow Arms (Dark House) but Ken will never confirm – such is the mystique!!
Peter Mills
9 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:22:22
Thanks Ken.

Personally, I thought the Ibrahimovic kick to Seamus's head was accidental, although he has been around the block so many times he may have perfected that dark art. I was much closer to the Rojo incident, and thought he was merely late – I was concentrating watching Gueye approaching what looked like a 48/52 tackle, and completely missed the two-footed lunge coming from his left. It was a cowardly assault.

Being at the match can mean you miss things that are very clear on the telly. At the same time, it does provide a better feel for the tone of things, and as Phil (#6) has reflected, I think most people leaving the ground felt the point was hard earned. And deserved!

Ian Hollingworth
10 Posted 05/12/2016 at 21:55:20
At the game, you get carried away with the atmosphere and when your team raises its game with the excitement, it's easy to not reflect on the overall game.

Truth is Man Utd aren't that great either but they do have better quality players than us. We have many problems and one of them should have been addressed in the summer and that is the goalkeeper position.

Effort was better but quality was not much better... Does anyone think a top competing club will want to buy Lukaku?

John Raftery
11 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:02:53
With Bolasie injured, Gana off to Africa next month and Barry only four yellow cards from a two-match suspension, by this time next month, the squad could be looking thin to anorexic. That is when Koeman's hand may be forced in terms of fielding one of two of the Under-23s.

Most of the fans leaving the ground yesterday were happy with the last half-hour and the result. There was virtual unanimity that Gana was Man of the Match with Mirallas a close contender. As you suggest Ken, the game at Watford will tell us if the team is now on the right track.

Peter Mills
12 Posted 05/12/2016 at 22:18:05
Ian (#10), that's a profound first paragraph, on which theses could be delivered. We get carried away with the atmosphere we create, the atmosphere that drives on the team to greater efforts, or is it the greater efforts of the team that generate the atmosphere?

It's something that has always fascinated me. I don't know the answer, but I recognise that there have been times when the sheer force of support has driven the team to supreme efforts.

Equally, negativity from the crowd can suck confidence from the players. Goodison is generally not at one with the team at present; the manager could do more to generate goodwill between the two parties.

Ajay Gopal
13 Posted 06/12/2016 at 08:35:22
Thanks, Ken. Brilliant report as usual. I thought that our players were up for this encounter – you can see that they are low on confidence, but fortunately they were playing another team in the same boat as ourselves (but perhaps under more pressure, given the money spent on them).

Bad luck to Bolasie for his bad injury – he was trying hard but things were not happening for him. Mirallas and Deulofeu seem to have come back to life. Cleverley got a lot of stick for a few bad moments, but I do think that he effectively kept Mikthtaryan and Valencia quiet on the right side. He teamed up well with Baines – a run of games may do him good.

With Bolasie out for a few months and Holgate performing well, Koeman may be tempted to try out the Holgate-Coleman combination on the right side. Or a back 3 and wing-backs of Coleman/Baines. Gana, Barry/Cleverley, Mirallas/Deulofeu/Barkley, Valencia and Lukaku making up the remaining 5 slots.

Paul Kelly
14 Posted 06/12/2016 at 09:10:12
Nice report again Ken, just watched the 4-4 at their place, the passing and movement (last goal especially) seemed light years ahead of what we're witnessing now.

Peter @ 8, The Dark House, memories, Sunday night with my 'adopted' family from Ruskin Street, Frankie Jones of Our Kid used to sing in there, if memory serves me correct, that's what I was told anyway. Anyone can confirm that so I know I'm not going mad? Memory ain't what it used to be...

Paul Tran
15 Posted 06/12/2016 at 21:31:49
It was a cheap penalty, but that's what happens when you bring on a clumsy lump to 'protect' your lead. Osman's comments on Fellaini were very funny and telling.

As one of my Man Utd mates says, can't pass, can't dribble, gives loads of free kicks away, can be a nuisance in the other team's box, can be a liability in his own, gets the odd headed goal. A snip at £27m (3 years ago).

Bob Parrington
16 Posted 07/12/2016 at 00:45:26
Thanks Ken. Contrary to some other views, I agree it was a 'nailed-on' penalty and well deserved.

With Bolasie out for a while and the improved cameo from Enner Valencia, in which he showed excellent pace and a determination too, perhaps this will prove to be a smart loan. Hopefully!!

Andy McNabb
17 Posted 07/12/2016 at 11:23:34
Don't want to wish the lad any harm but I wonder if the Bolasie injury may be a blessing regarding the team?

Love to be proved wrong but I am still bemused at paying £28 million for such an inconsistent player.

Jim Wilson
18 Posted 07/12/2016 at 11:51:31
Fellaini showing why he was shite as a defensive midfielder saving the day. Lukaku awful again, Mirallas doing very little as usual, Deulofeu threatening but never delivering. Local media bigging up our performance as usual.

Barkley out the team while Lukaku gets away with murder. Our manager is showing nothing.

Our motto should be 'same old same'. Very frustrating.

Terry Underwood
19 Posted 08/12/2016 at 16:21:42
Pity about the Bolasie injury, hope the lad can overcome it. A good chance for somebody else to step up. We should all know by now that a Man Utd Player needs to shoot someone in order to be sent off.

Also, I fuckin hate Jose Moanio, twat.


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