Everton reportedly follow up Koné interest with firm bid

9 August  266 Comments  [Jump to last]
Updated Everton have offered Sunderland £18m for defender Lamine Koné as Ronald Koeman seeks to bolster his defence following the departure of John Stones to Manchester City.

The Ivorian, who scored his first Premier League goals against Everton in May and has been linked to Goodison by the Mail already recently travelled to Merseyside yesterday and was at Finch Farm today to discuss terms in anticipation of the Blues successfully negotiating a fee, but no agreement has been reached between the two clubs.

New Black Cats boss David Moyes is apparently reluctant to part with Koné without having a replacement lined up but Sunderland have reportedly reached an agreement with Manchester United to sign defender Paddy McNair.

McNair played under Moyes at Old Trafford and his arrival at the Stadium of Light could pave the way for Koné to join Everton.

According to his agent Mark McKay, Koné has now returned to Sunderland and is awaiting a new contract offer from the Black Cats, the lack of which was said to be one of the reasons why he entertained a switch to Everton in the first place.

Rumours of bigger clubs, Chelsea among then, also tracking Koné could further complicate the situation.  


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Gavin Johnson
1 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:39:32
Not worth £18m
Kase Chow
2 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:43:29
If we get this guy (big IF), we'd have bought a keeper that couldn't get into the Fulham team, a midfielder that got relegated, and a defender that narrowly escaped relegation.

Now they may all be brilliant BUT it don't feel like a new dawn or a new era.

Plus is this guy really worth 㾾M??

James Watts
3 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:46:12
Here we go yet again. Wasn't this the same story from a few weeks back?
Pete Cumberlidge
4 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:46:41
With some of the fees being banded about, Pogba is beginning to look like good value. I guess there's the small matter of wages though.
Ciarán McGlone
5 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:48:23
Thank God for Walsh. These players are so esoteric only an expert could find them.

Dull and awful pre-season as usual...

Vijay Nair
6 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:51:35
Not sure what the appeal of this guy is... He played only 15 matches last season and scored a grand total of 2 goals (against us I believe).

Not exactly a mean feat considering our defence last season was piss weak!

Drew O'Neall
7 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:52:52
When we brought in the transformation specialist manager; Ronald Koeman and appointed a director of football responsible for the recruitment of obscure but league-winning talent, I didn't expect the extent of their imagination to extend to inflated bids for average players in our own league, the likes of which any Tom, Dick or Harry with his Dream Team App could pull out of his arse.

Unless these bids are designed to draw out our competitors' bids, I am sorely disappointed so far.

Drew O'Neall
8 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:54:16
Beat me to it, Ciaràn.
Drew O'Neall
9 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:55:54
He's a centre half, Vijay!
Jack Convery
10 Posted 08/08/2016 at 23:56:18
Bill needs two Kones to make sure he doesn't lose his car park space at Goodison.
Anthony Dwyer
11 Posted 08/08/2016 at 00:08:54
㾾m for Kone, 㾾m for Bolasie, does anyone else get the feeling we have 㾾m burning a hole in our pocket .

Also with these bid apparently going in for players, I can't help but feel we could have bid for these targets earlier to help the squad knit together.

In May I was away in Mexico and was on news now almost everyday by the pool (sad I no !), but two of the names I seen were Joe Hart and Bolasie, it seems like there names are coming back up. Mata was another name mentioned soon after that, now his name is back about.

Maybe it's just me but I'm a little tired of all the talk and no action.

Phil Davies
12 Posted 09/08/2016 at 00:26:58
We offer nothing to attract bigger named players, why would a Koulibaly join when he could join a bigger, Champions League team or stay at Napoli who are already in the Champions League?

I understand many people may disagree with this statement but we're a mid-level premiership team with ambition and we're viewed as a small premiership team.

We needed to make a statement this summer and that's something we haven't done and it's gotten to the point where our two most valuable assets are being sold off by Sky Sports and their list of pundits, only today I read a quote from Jamie Redknapp regarding Stones to Man City – "Make no mistake, he will be there before the end of the transfer window but the sooner the deal is done the better."

The club should have made a statement by now issuing a "hands off, no sale at all" stance and asking Sky to stop actively shopping our players around. Or the alternate option: Stones will be sold within the next few weeks which suggests that the club lacks ambition by selling a player that is much coveted by many of the world's top clubs.

David Israel
13 Posted 09/08/2016 at 00:46:15
All I can do is to quote the immortal Yogi Berra: "It's déjà vu all over again!"
Jay Harris
14 Posted 09/08/2016 at 01:35:17
Phil,

we can do much better than a disillusioned Stones.

Potential is all well and good (Jack Rodwell the "new Beckenbaur" being a case in point) but he has had 2 seasons to progress and is still in a state of unawareness of what is going on around him.

Williams plus another strong CB will do for me while Holgate matures and leaving cash to spend on other areas of the team.

Jackie Barry
15 Posted 09/08/2016 at 01:35:56
I was a little underwhelmed at Kone being mentioned but he is actually a pretty good defender and would make a good addition to our squad. He is pretty fast, good upper body strength so won't be out muscled and was a big reason for Sunderland staying up when they signed him in January. Sunderland certainly don't want to lose him.
Vijay Nair
16 Posted 09/08/2016 at 02:46:39
Drew(9), I know he's a centre half. A bang average one.
Paul Ferry
17 Posted 09/08/2016 at 02:47:02
Vijay Nair 6: 'Not sure what the appeal of this guy is... He played only 15 matches last season and scored a grand total of 2 goals (against us I believe)'.

He was signed in January, Vijay, and picked up a knock. He is a centre-half. A centre-half who scores 2 goals in 15 games is decent.

Sunderland fans do not want him to go. Look at their sites. They believe that he was an important signing and helped them to stay up by making them much stronger at the back.

Gary Fenton
18 Posted 09/08/2016 at 02:57:57
What else did we really expect I am so frustrated with the lack of transfer activity. Yes, I know the window is still open but we need points from day one not from the end of August, then if we do eventually buy someone he will need time to settle in. Please, please prove me wrong, Everton.
Guy Hastings
21 Posted 09/08/2016 at 06:21:54
Is RK waiting for City to decide on a new keeper, then we get Hart as part of the Stones deal?
Sam Hoare
22 Posted 09/08/2016 at 07:30:55
Kone was one of the most effective CBs in the league after he arrived last season. Fast and very strong in the air.

Yes the fees are inflated but a lot of snobbery on here about anyone coming from unglamorous clubs which is strange given how often we moan about being perceived as unglamorous!

Kone is at a good age and would certainly make us less susceptible to long balls and crosses. Think he'd be a good addition.

James Morgan
24 Posted 09/08/2016 at 07:38:09
A Sunderland fan was on the radio saying if it weren't for him they'd have gone down because he is a beast. This guy plus Williams, with Jags and Funes Mori is a decent group of centre halves. Fix it from the back.
Paul Smith
25 Posted 09/08/2016 at 07:43:01
Get him in - no nonsense please.
Chris Gould
26 Posted 09/08/2016 at 07:55:39
Now Pogba has moved we can expect a flurry of movement in the market.
We can't expect to take Sunderland's best defender less than a week before the season starts without paying way more than he's actually worth.
Colin Glassar
27 Posted 09/08/2016 at 07:57:56
I said a few days ago that once Utd got Pogba that would start the ball rolling all over the continent. I fully expect us to make a move for Mata now and, personally, I'd go for Rojo or Blind as well.

As for this lad Kone. Well, £10m plus our Kone and McGreedy that should do it.

Mark Wynne
28 Posted 09/08/2016 at 07:59:43
if for no other reason, Moyes needs to let Kone go to Everton for the good of the player's career.
Daniel Lawrence
29 Posted 09/08/2016 at 08:03:52
Stones sale must be close.
Kevin Thompson
30 Posted 09/08/2016 at 08:11:02
James Morgan , and with Gueye in midfield, our defence is sorted once we get a Goalie. He is 6ft 4 in, good in the air, which is something we badly needed last couple of seasons
Vijay Nair
33 Posted 09/08/2016 at 08:43:48
Paul(17), I stand corrected.

Looks like this one has some legs. Daily Mail has him posing for a photo with an Everton fan, in Liverpool.

Eddie Dunn
34 Posted 09/08/2016 at 08:50:59
He would help with our lack of numbers at the back. The money for every target has gone up due to the silly payments from sky- we can expect this for every transfer.
Jim Potter
35 Posted 09/08/2016 at 08:55:21
In truth I know very little about this lad. I just hope KoneB is a vast improvement on KoneA.

Get Williams in as well and we'll be fine at centre half when Stones departs.

The Sunderland fans wanting him to stay put is a positive indication that he's talented and works hard - so bring it on.

Mata's agent must now be ringing Walshy admitting their error of a month ago. Hopefully the price may have fallen.

Bolassie - looked very good two seasons ago. Is he still as exciting? I hope so if we are indeed after him.

Would love to see the Croatian playmaker lad come in. Read a lot of good things about him.

But who are we getting up front and in goal? Need a striker even if ROM stays, two if he goes. Bony as part of the Stones deal would be acceptable.

I would pay an awful lot for Butland. Guaranteed first choice for over a decade to come.

This is all coming too late for Spurs though. Shame, as we had the chance to start the season really strongly. (Still could, but it will be more about grunt and luck than silky skills methinks).

COYB. (Come on you signings as well).

Tony Abrahams
36 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:05:44
It wouldn't surprise me to see Jagielka, go in the opposite direction, especially if Everton are still interested in Ashley Williams.

Don't know much about this fella, but he signed for Sunderland in January, and they only lost one of their last twelve games, to avoid beating the drop.

Fixing it from the back is what kept the makems up, so I have to agree with James@21.

John Hammond
38 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:07:01
This is the level of player we have to go for and clubs now can afford to slap a silly figure on a player with all the Sky money.
Darren Bailey
39 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:11:22
Don't know much about him but from what I've heard he could be a rough diamond. Big, strong, quick, no nonsense, nasty defender-just what I "personally" want. I'm not one for the silky skilled, playing out from the back defender. My centre halves should look like they've been round the block a few times.
I like Jags but I think he's past it now and a decent bid would see him gone for me but as a club captain he's good for the younger players coming through. Needless to say I wouldn't play him much this year if we was to get better quality in. I also like Williams but at 32 he's not what I'd want, however I can see why he would be a good addition.
For me I'd want Mustafi, Kone and Indi once Stones leaves. Mustafi can cover RB and Indi can cover LB and if we play 3 centre backs the balance would be perfect. Obviously adding Funes Mori to the equation gives us plenty of options.
That's £50m (approx.) spent on 3 top quality CB's, isn't that what we want for one certain Mr Stones??? I know what I'd prefer.
Adding Gueye to the DCM position and I think we could be quite tough to break down next season (obviously goalkeeper recruitment also needed).
Sam Hoare
40 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:21:20
Whispers are that the Stones deal is close and we will bringing in 2 defenders, likely Williams and then 1 of Indi or Kone, though I wish they'd have a look at Maksimovic who is a beast in the Vidic mold.

After that there will be at least one CM with Witsel still likely if Juve get their top targets of Matuidi/Sissoko.

Personally i'm more worried about the attacking options. Think Mata is still possible though his wages are an issue as he's on something like 160k at the mo. Crossing my fingers for Ziyech but heard little about it. Think Bolasie is overpriced and could have a go at Perisic if we're gonna be spending over £25m on a LW.

Denis Richardson
41 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:24:37
Got to admit I don't know too much about Kone, also dealing with Moyes doesn't fill me with joy. We do need a CB though and at 27 he's a good age, although not the biggest at 6ft 1 according to wiki.

The prices for players these days have gotten ridiculous. Sunderland apparently signed him for around £5m just 6 months ago and now want more than £18m? The 7m we paid for Geuye looks an absolute bargain.

Rumours also going round that Sunderland have offered him an improved contract of 70k/week to persuade him to stay. If that's true, what are we offering him?

Looks like we need to spend a ton to get in players short term to improve the team then focus 200% on the academy. The sky deal has completely distorted the whole market.

Ray Said
42 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:26:22
Sky Sports just showed a pic of the squad Man City have registered with UEFA. It shows John Stones. Balls up or true?
Steve King
44 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:30:57
So it looks like Stones is gone! He's been named in the Man City Champions League squad:

http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52919/squad/index.html

Sam Hoare
45 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:31:43
Saw that Ray very suspicious. Wouldn't be suprised to hear it announced today.
Anthony Dwyer
46 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:36:28
Typical, what did people expect, has no one noticed we apparently bid for a few players yesterday.

How come its only me who feels like its starting to feel like we have to sell to buy.

Ray Roche
47 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:37:30
Sam, where do you hear these "whispers"? Not those noises in your head again are they?
Dave Williams
48 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:43:21
Kone looked a beast against us and who cares about how many goals he scored- we want him to stop the other guys!!

Better than what we have by some way.

Jags in part ex.is an interesting call and would continue the clear out of old players with a losers mentality- bit harsh I know but you know where I am coming from!

David Pearl
49 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:43:39
Bizarre news about Stones. Guess it's all happening now. I thought the site of more traffic might not go down well but this Kone is a good player!
Barry McNally
50 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:48:45
Moving day! Would prefer to keep Stones but if he wants out.
Steve King
51 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:51:08
Mangala, Bony and Nasri missing from the City Squad.
I'd take any and all of them in Part Ex.
David Pearl
52 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:57:07
I don't think Peps style will work in England. You can find fault in all the so called top teams. Wonder if any of the players left out of their CL squad are part of the deal. Watch this space
Sam Hoare
53 Posted 09/08/2016 at 09:58:47
Ray@40. Mainly from supposed ITKs. Far from reliable but they do seem to get it right more than wrong.

Stones is off then according to Sky Sports!

Joe O'Brien
54 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:04:41
Stones named in the champ league squad when he's still our player and no fee agreed! Wtf that's not fucking on at all
Mark Tanton
55 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:12:22
Aside from everything else wrong with that, how can it even be administratively possible when he's registered to Everton?
Sam Hoare
56 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:14:34
UEFA have said now that he was in the squad list they received from City. The deal must be all but done or else that would be outrageous!!
Gordon Crawford
57 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:15:39
Think today he will be gone. If so we need to get two defenders in for the price of one. I feel we need 6 players in before window closes.
Ray Roche
58 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:17:32
Sam, I saw that on newsnow, all the sites are buzzing with the sheer arrogance of City naming another club's player in their European squad. Keep the bugger till January. That'll embarrass them, if they are capable of shame, that is.
James Morgan
59 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:19:33
Stones for Kone and Williams if a fair trade if you ask me, plus change to spare. And if City are shifting Nasri I would have him, though he could easily go to a CL club.
Barry McNally
60 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:20:23
'Fair Play' Man. City 💷💷💷
Tony Abrahams
61 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:21:05
David 45, that's an interesting point about Pep, and his style, working in England. He took over the European champions, and I'm not sure even these top players could truely grasp his style.

Sam Hoare
62 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:21:20
Ray, it may not be City's doing. Could be possible that the deal is done but we have asked them to keep it quiet until we have our replacement signed or agreed so that the £50m in our pocket does not add another wedge to the already sky high prices!!

Either way it will be wrapped up quickly I suspect now and i'd bet my bottom dollar we have 1 if not 2 new central defenders in by the weekend. Williams and one other...

John Crook
63 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:25:03
Stones departure has been on the cards since last August. The most annoying aspect is that he has played all of the final two pre season games, surely you don't give someone a fundamental role in your final dress rehearsal before the season starts?? The decision to include him against Espanyol was ridiculous if a deal between Everton and Man City had already been agreed!! (Even if Jagielka wasn't fit for 90 then Holgate should of been in ahead of Stones). Everton always find a way to piss you off!
Gordon Crawford
64 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:27:41
The sun are saying £42 million plus add on's. No sign of Bony though. If this is true, then Everton have buckled under the pressure and given in to a price that's a lot less than the £50 million.
Paul Tran
65 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:28:34
Arrogance, or maybe just confirmation that the deal is done and they have to file their CL squad to UEFA?

Hopefully, this deal will set a few things in motion.

I'm still more inclined to be patient and get the type of player we need rather than the 'swing yer dick, look at us, aren't we a big club' kind of transfer!

Tony Abrahams
66 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:30:59
looks like Stones has gone, and although I really didn't want to lose him, it was obvious that he didn't want to stay, so good riddance.

Hope the Kone, deal is sorted or this news will cost Everton, more money, just like the Williams signing will, if it ever goes through.

I wonder if we will try and sign Nasri?

Adam Carey
67 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:31:03
So Man City are 'hugely embarrassed' by the listing. Bollocks! This smacks of their untouchable club mentality. If we have allowed this to go on in the dark then shame on us, but City have effectively forced this move through now by showing John that he'll be playing CL football this season if he moves. What ever was left of his mindset to play for us has now been smacked away. Man City should be fined for this, or docked points. Shameful..
Sam Hoare
68 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:31:51
Confused as to how Uefa approved this list of there had not been medicals and contracts signed etc. All very strange.

Glad its done in a way as it seemed the die was cast a while ago and now hopefully we can move forwards.

Mark Tanton
69 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:33:04
Let him go and wish him luck. He wants to be the best, maybe he can be. Fair play to the lad, he's not an Evertonian he's a professional footballer. And well recompensed.
Charlie Dixon
70 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:37:39
Get rid of the clown. Keep Rom (begrudgingly) as there's no better out there, and get the following in:

Williams
Kone
Mata
Bolasie
Benteke (on loan)

If that happens then we're in a much better position than we were back in May . and then I woke up...

Mike Hughes
71 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:38:17
I agree in principle with Ray #51

The one finger salute to Citeh would have at least two effects potentially:

1. It would send a message that the mega-rich can't stomp all over us as Chelski tried to do last season.
2. It might also give us the upper-hand in negotiations and squeeze another few £million for Stones if WE decide to sell.

All that assumes - based on lack of evidence - this is not a done deal and that Citeh have been both arrogant and presumptuous.

However, the fact that Citeh have gone down that administrative route would suggest this has been signed and sealed, hopefully not for an 'undisclosed' fee.

Personally, I hope Stones has gone for £60m or £50m + player exchange. For me, that would be a good deal based on what we paid and also on my own view that unfulfilled potential is not what we need right now.

Strange state of affairs though in the absence of further information.

Adam Carey
72 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:42:37
Considering Barnsley will be due a percentage, if he goes for 㿔/㿙M plus add-ons then we have just confirmed to the football world that we are still a little club who sell our players for your price if you push hard enough.
Perhaps we should name Mane in our squad for Saturday...
Geoff Williams
74 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:49:37
I reiterated, Williams isn't what we need as he isn't the tallest of centre halves and won't improve our defending at set pieces. We need a BIG centre half who has a football brain.
Thomas Surgenor
75 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:52:44
First of all it seems like a lot of profit on someone who was only at the club 6 months.

Secondly, I don't know how good he was before coming to Sunderland. He could just of had 6 months good form.

And finally, this is clearly a Walsh signing if LC are after him too.

David Pearl
76 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:54:39
I hope it includes a player but how would that work if we pay Barnsley 15%
Would we pay a percentage of his valuation?

We should be building the team around these players and might of been able to keep Stones if we had shown more ambition and direction in our own targets. disappointed but he wanted to go last season.

Ed Fitzgerald
77 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:54:43
If this is true it's either a massive display of arrogance from City and we should tell them to do one, regardless of the offer made or if a deal has been done by EFC on the quiet it's a massive display of contempt by the board and management of Everton towards its own supporters. Sadly neither scenario is surprising
Liam Reilly
78 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:55:58
If we don't let him go, does that mean that City wil have one less squad player?

That'd be funny.

Thomas Surgenor
79 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:57:53
Re: the stones thing.
If a deal hasn't been agreed then Moshiri should just add an additional 10 million onto the asking price (which city already are refusing to meet) just for the "agrivation they've caused us" - to quote gone in 60 seconds.
James McPherson
81 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:58:08
Understandably our anger is spouted towards an unbelievably arrogant City. However, do spare some of that ire and direct it inwardly to our own custodians. Though city's actions are reprehensible, they have identified what we all know to be true. Our club is pathetically weak. Our board is inept and can be outmanoeuvred all too easily. That said, our board know that its fan base are insanely loyal and as such adopt a very benign stance over the constant stream of falsehoods the club relay - most especially around season ticket renewal. Why even today in the face of just a reserve keeper and a modest DCM coming in I read messages on threads saying, let's wait and see, who knows the kids may surprise us, I'm glad we are not splashing the cash...unreal. If you think football is going to return to flat caps and laced up footballs and for us to gravitate back to our pomp by osmosis then for pity's sake wake up. This club has not moved forward one inch. Moshiri and BK need to know that is what we think. An apathetic shrug of the shoulders reflects just how far we have plummeted. Depressing.
Gordon Crawford
82 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:58:10
Geoff (66) where do you find these players?
Thomas Surgenor
84 Posted 09/08/2016 at 10:59:44
Liam, perhaps they will but JS would be considered a home grown player. I can't remember the exact rules but I think they need at least 4 of them in the squad. So if they loose a space due to this it prob won't affect them much as it'll be some kid from the ressies that wouldn't have gotten much pitch time anyway
Thomas Surgenor
85 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:00:37
Confirmation of sale on GOT
Adam Carey
86 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:00:52
Confirmed on SSN, £47.5M.
Ed Fitzgerald
87 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:01:35
Gone for 47.5 million a PR fuck up by Everton
Eric Myles
88 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:01:59
Even BBC report the sale.
Steve King
89 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:02:48
Geoff hes 6'0" tall and built like a brick shithouse. He is a traditional centre back that doesn't fuck about and clears his lines. He shouts and screams at those around him if they're not pulling their weight and he gets stuck into the opposition I'm pretty sure that's what thousands of us were screaming for last season!

In terms of a long term vision of course I would prefer Stones and other "footballing defenders", but to begin fixing our current defensive naivety and get us back on track I think Williams is ideal.

Thomas Surgenor
90 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:03:33
Evertons official fb site has confirmed it.

This reeks to me of a done deal that was being covered up. Their hand has been forced by sky sports!

Don't get me wrong, I'm in agreement with any "cover up" cause now clubs will take us to the cleaners for an extra few mill. We obv wanted a replacement sorted before the news was leaked.

Rob Esteva
91 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:06:06
Ashley Williams will sign today.
Colin Hughes
92 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:06:59
Typical Everton behaviour in the transfer market, still as much a selling club as we were under Peter Johnson. Wait all summer then allow him to go four days before the start of the season when most clubs have a settled squad raring to go we are only interested in weakening ours, expect Lukaku to spit his dummy out again now and demand his move to a big club.
Kunal Desai
93 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:08:03
£47.5 million. I think it's a good deal. I wonder if that amount is inclusive of add ons. Now just get some fucking players in.
James McPherson
94 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:10:11
Thomas 80 we are supposed to have money to spend independent of sales. We have had all summer to do our business knowing the outcome over stones. We are in this mess of our own making as uefa will have timelines for teams to announce squads. City have displayed a lack of class...but we've been grossly incompetent
Eric Myles
95 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:11:54
Thomas #24, it's a minimum of 8 homegrown players in a 25 man squad.
Sam Hoare
96 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:12:55
Selling Stones DOES NOT necessarily mean we needed to sell before we could be buy. Lets see how much we spend in this window before we jump to that conclusion.
Eric Myles
97 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:13:31
Should be Thomas #74, no edit button!
Iain Latchford
98 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:13:47
Obviously not interested in Bony, as I assume he would have been included in part of the deal.
Fran Mitchell
99 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:14:20
I don't really get why this took so long.I mean ffs, city have billions have waste money all over the show, but will haggle to the end to save 2,5 million.

Also, it appears this has been long expected. Why the fuck then have we been playing him pre season. Surely Holgate and co could have done with the extra experience. Why get city players prepared.

If we now also sell Lukaku that would be awful.

So much for the new era.

Selling club still, only got transfer money from sales.

Europe there we don't go appears to be our chant for the season.

Mark Pierpoint
100 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:15:21
James 84.

I know I am going to go against the grain here, I am unsure about this City lack of class thing. Is it about giving his name to UEFA? Let's be honest, this deal was done last night. They wanted him in the squad, but did not assume it would be released before they announced it this morning. People get a little OTT on details like this.

Good luck to the lad. Now is the acid test. Williams will join today. I think a good short term fix. Need some long term movement in place now.

Kevin Gillen
101 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:17:34
Can I have my money back please for my season tickets?
Christopher Dover
102 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:19:13
Most but not all posters do not rate Stones as he is very much a work in progress so do not understand why so much upset with him going for £47.5 million.

If he wanted to stay then that's different but has made it very clear that he wants out so why keep him when we get a good price for someone who does not want to play for Everton.

The same for Lukaku, hope he stays and performs but if he Is not wanting to and plays half hearted football get best price and bring in players who will give there best.

Now hoping for some good inward transfers so the team can start to settle.

Kevin Day
103 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:19:20
Stones has gone... 47.5 million
Si Cooper
104 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:19:29
That is a very good point, David (68). Presumably the two strands of the deal would have to be done separately, further complicating any negotiations. Will we get Bony (or someone else) for an undisclosed fee? Would Barnsley have grounds to appeal if they felt the publicised figure for Stones undervalued him?
Ray Roche
105 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:20:38
Sam Hoare @55

Fair comment Sam, but once that was made public all hands just HAD to come out and confirm the deal, which has now happened. We can now be held over a barrel even more by clubs who have a player we want. Outrageous behaviour by classless City.

Anthony Dwyer
106 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:20:53
Gutting to lose the best English prospect in decades.

If we were this club with a new era in front of us, we would have kept Stones.

Iain Latchford
107 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:21:32
I don't think we need to be hitting the panic button just yet, but now is the time for us to be announcing some signings. We've apparently got money to spend, and now we've sold a player for close to £50m. There can be no excuses now.
James McPherson
108 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:22:37
Sam Hoare, it means exactly that. Where are the independent monies that allow us to build a squad in a way that is financially dislocated from player sales? The Stones sale was inevitable. Why did we not scout and acquire a CB and do a good deal - a deal that is now going to go up by a significant percentage now that we have funds publicly declared. From where we were in May, to acquiring a reserve keeper and a DCM with just a few days before our first game tells me that nothing but nothing has changed here. And please don't cite the window being open until August 31 - that has not shaped other clubs' activity, and I don't know about you I understand the season to be 38 games not 34 and I'm paying for one of those season tickets for 19 home games. This tolerance of the situation is pure weakness - the likes of which our board prosper upon.
Mark Pierpoint
109 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:23:20
Si 94. Regardless of the press reports, Koeman has no interest in Wilfred Bony apparently. Your point about the difference between cash and player transactions is an interesting one though.
Kunal Desai
110 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:27:46
Until Everton actually win some silverware they will be deemed as a shitty little club, patted on the back and told to get on with things. Thats the reality i'm afraid.
Geoff Williams
111 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:31:22
I did think Everton would have held out for the full £50m. I believe Kone's size and age makes him a better buy than Williams. I really don't like the way clubs and agents make use of the press to unsettle players. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Chris Corn
113 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:35:09
James @ 98. I don't need to post anything else today as you just nailed it. I have gone from trying to be pragmatic to allowing my natural EFC cynicism overwhelm me. I await absolute evidence to tell me otherwise and I just feel like I am being conned again, just on a bigger scale.
Patrick Murphy
114 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:35:19
Kunai (100) Roberto's legacy means that Ronald's job is not as simple as some may have believed, likewise 20 years of Kenwright et al cannot be simply wiped away in one summer. IF Mr Moshiri is the ambitious person that many pundits have declared him to be, he will have to think long and hard about his strategy and whether or not the previous regime should be removed - over time - from the club.

I fear that the appearance of Mr Moshiri was fortunate, convenient and timely for Bill as it took the pressure off him, but has it or will it make any significant difference to the club and how it conducts its business in the near to long term? I don't know, but the signs aren't looking too good are they?

Mark Tanton
115 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:42:03
So are we just keeping our transfer powder dry, or is this the usual hand to mouth existence of an Evertonian?
Sam Hoare
116 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:43:10
James @98. No it doesn't.

We have already put bids in for several players irrelevant of the Stones money that we have been waiting to complete because the players are waiting to make their minds up about moving to an unglamorous club. That is the fault of the previous regime and will take time to change.

The window doesn't shut till the end of the month and other clubs particualry the bigger ones will have more sway than we do whether you like it or not.

Yes its frustrating that the season starts before the window shuts but that is not the clubs fault and I would rather they get the right players in at the last minute than the wrong ones at the start of the Summer.

Roberto Birquet
117 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:44:20
We surely have not sold Stones without already agreed replacements. We must surely expect the imminent arrival of Williams and/or Kone. We need two CBs, surely.

and er, a goalie, a winger but I digress

Iain Latchford
118 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:45:47
So, if we are to believe what we've been told we should have around £130m to spend. £100m from Moshiri/Sky/BT, £47.5m from Stones (less Gueye and money to Barnsley). Your move Everton.
Zahir Jaffer
119 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:47:05
thats Stones deal should bring in enough bobs to snatch Koulibaly away. Chelsea "supposedly" just offered £34m.

Ashley Williams seems like a done deal now.

Geoff Williams
120 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:47:18
Find it so hard to understand why negotiations took so long to sell Stones or why he was played in the pre season games. Things are still not right at the club. The lack of leadership is so apparent. We've been unable to offload deadwood or buy in players who would excite the fans. This is the least optimistic I've felt at the start of a season for years.
Kieran Fitzgerald
122 Posted 09/08/2016 at 11:55:19
Sam @105, spot on. We have already bought Gueye and bid for Williams. We had also already been linked with Kone before this deal was announced.

Stones has wanted out for a calender year. The world and it's mother knew this. I've just seen his interview on sky and he mentions city players he could only have spoken to about a move while at he Euros this summer. His head was miles away from the club. Why keep him at this stage as he very obviously doesn't want to be here. 47.5m, even with Barnsley's fee and tax taken out, allows us to replace Stones with the likes of Kone or Williams and still allows us the scope to add to the squad.

I don't understand how the above makes us a selling club. If we were a selling club, we would have sold Stones last summer for half the fee we got this summer.

If we were a selling club, we would have made it very obvious we wanted to sell Lukaku. Apart from media gossip, there is no concrete evidence that the club is open to offers for Lukaku.

James @98, why spend our own money when we knew we were going to get a big lump of money for Stones. We knew he wanted out for a year now and held firm with City all summer once the transfer window opened.

We can now spend the Stones fee, plus a smaller share than we needed to of our own money on players. Our own money, rather than spending it on players, we can now spend on a new stadium. That sounds more like a win-win and well managed situation rather than Everton allowing themselves to be shafted.

Ray Said
124 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:01:05
Financial Fair Play , which was designed to protect those clubs that already had billionaire owners, means that new owners like Moshiri cant just pump money in without getting hit under FFP. The rules mean we have to increase turnover rather than just get handed a 100 mill. This is why most billionaire owners, like at City and Arsenal and even Newcastle, have used naming rights and sponsorship deals to increase turnover.
Until we can sort new sponsorship or naming rights or some other way to boost turnover we may be stuck with player sales.
I for one am glad to see the back of Stones as the lad cant defend.
Sean Randles
125 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:02:16
Its a sellers market as all the buyers have money. So deals take longer as the seller's hold out for the top price which is what we have done, or players have 2 or 3 or more choices of which club to go to. It was the Champions League deadline that forced the Stones deal through and if we got £47.5m plus add ons if Citeh win the CL then thats a good deal. We just have to be patient. We would be mad to spend big money just to get players in earlier to appease us fans. Most of the deals will probably be done on deadline day. Its not the club's fault that deals aren't happening earlier- and we need to give Koeman and Walsh a chance- they haven't been here that long.
Ray Roche
126 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:02:19
Sam@105

The window may be open for a few weeks yet but points dropped on Saturday are just as important, and just as lost, as points dropped after the window closes. We all knew what was required and , as a club, should have been more active in bringing in new players sooner. If Williams or Kone joined today, would you put them in a against Spurs? Bit risky that. I'm all for patience but we still need to get our finger out.

Darren Bailey
127 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:02:32
Stones gone for £47.5m and we receive just over £40m for him (Barnsley sell on).
Ok... In that case, Williams £14m, Kone £18m (plus a player), Indi £10m and Begovic £8m.
£40m in and £50m out. Net spend of £10m. 1 out, 4 in and our defence sorted.
Is that not a feasible outcome to all this? Would be one I'm fairly happy with. Maybe there's not the big name signings we were all hoping for but this is a transition period and we have to be patient. Just have it in place before Saturday please.
Bottom line Don't dwell on the past, he's gone, move on and improve the best way possible.
Gordon Crawford
128 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:07:05
Don't worry guys we will sign Williams at the eleventh hour of the final day and fellaini too :(
David Pearl
129 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:10:43
Your 21 days off Gordon :)
Jim Knightley
130 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:11:24
With stones
gone today then we can expect a defender in within 48 hours. I expect that something has been agreed but just has not made the news yet.

4 senior cbs (if kone and williams come),also suggests some 352 football next year. Something like Coleman, kone, Williams, mori, baines, gueye, Mccarthy/witsel barkley/playmaker, lukaku, deulofeu/new striker. That system would allow barkley to thrive and deulofeu to attack through the middle more often. I'm looking forward to it.

Sam Hoare
131 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:12:13
Ray@113, yes it is frustrating to start the season with what feels like an incomplete squad but I hope the board/manager are taking a long term view which is something I approve of.

As it is I think Holgate had a better pre-season than Stones anyway and Williams may well come in today or tomorrow and go straight it. He's a total pro which is why we are buying him.

With my optimist's hat on hopefully we can have a decent start to the season and still hold out for our first pick incoming transfers who may well come and join later on (the likes of Witsel and Mata I believe are waiting to see how things fall but would be superb additions and worth waiting for).

Scott Hamilton
132 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:13:57
SSN reporting that the Williams deal is done at £12m subject to a medical

http://www.skysports.com/transfer-centre

Kieran Fitzgerald
133 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:14:49
The same day we sell Stones, a deal done with Swansea for Williams for 12m. Negotiations are also ongoing for Kone for 18m. Two quality defenders in for one out and cash left over.

Wow, we're crap we are. Softest club ever us. Bet you that 47.5m has already disappeared into Kenwright's pocket.

Moyes and Martinez out!!!

Daniel Lawrence
134 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:14:58
so it was sell to buy all a long then.
James McPherson
135 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:15:10
Sam, we have no definitive proof that we have placed any bids. Merely a statement just 10 or so days ago that we expect replacements. And you state that you'd rather do good business at the end of the window than bad business at the start. Well no one could dispute that logic. Funny though, that as a club we have only ever bought right at the end of the window (a trend that is aligned to BK 's accession to his fiefdom) . We have never tried buying at the start!! Time to try something radical. Well we still need sky money to just survive so let's can that shall we? A fact you curiously omit to consider. This club is as hand to mouth as it always was. What is the reason now? My guess, complete mismanagement and amateurish competence in what is a complex and challenging environment. We are rotten the core and stuck in the past. Geez, even our favourite anthem is "if you know your history " . Used to love that tune when we were in our pomp. Now it has been hijacked by a chairman who uses it as some kind of opiate suppressant to dull the senses and ensure we only look backwards at the glow of our former selves than dream to look forward with hope and dare I say create expectations of people who are as collectively useful as a handbrake on a canoe. Our executives are poor in comparison to other clubs. They are only adept at pushing the envelope as far as it needs to go. That is ably abetted by fans who have in my view slipped over the line from reasonable expectation to appeasement. Your stance is your stance Sam, but make no mistake that the club plays upon your goodwill and is taking you for a sap.
Ray Roche
138 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:18:24
Sam@118
Good post, I think Holgate and Davies have been very impressive pre season, I can see a good future for those two.
Gordon Crawford
140 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:24:11
Williams deal agreed for £12 million.
Brent Stephens
141 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:24:14
Why do we always have to criticise everything the club does? Much of the criticism based on mere guesswork.

"Why did we take so long to sell him?". Maybe because we held out for more than was being offered. Maybe because we negotiated well.

What's this talk of a "cover up"? If Stones signs for another team, how long can everybody concerned really keep that quiet?

"Why did we play him pre-season". Maybe because it aint over until the "lady in need of a diet" sings; and also because not playing him would tell a prospective buyer that we saw it as a done deal, weakening our hand.

And "we're still a selling club". But the window aint closed yet.

I'll wait until this window is closed and a revamped side has settled down before drawing conclusions on any of this.

Stones bought for £3m, sold for loads. Not bad money wise. If Stones had been playing for another club, at his recent level of performances, would you have paid close to £50m for him? Though we now need to replace him with at least as good, preferably for less money.

Rob Baker
142 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:27:18
I'm well happy we have got shot of an over-rated liability for £47.5M and brought in an experienced no nonsense captain for £12M
Brent Stephens
143 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:28:36
Kieran #120, spot on.
Sam Hoare
144 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:29:19
James@122. I can see you are having a bad day/week/month!

It may be that you are right but I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to those I love so will give Everton till the end of the window before I start throwing my toys out of the pram. I still believe this may be the most exciting transfer window we've had in a long time...

Garry Corgan
145 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:32:16
One in, one out. So the much-vaunted 𧴜M Moshiri war chest was dependent on sales all along?

Well brilliant. I could have done that if they'd made me the owner as well. FFS.

Brent Stephens
146 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:37:43
Garry "One in one out. So the much-vaunted £100 Moshiri war chest was dependent on sales all along?"

I note that is only a question. We need to wait to see the net ins and outs this transfer window. And even then too early to say for me as Koeman, Koeman and Walsh have only just arrived - I don't want mega bucks pissed up the wall just to satisfy the demands of us fans; I want it spent wisely, based on thoughtful analysis of what we've got, how they'll fit in to a new system, who's available to buy who would realistically join us etc.

James McPherson
147 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:41:12
Sam that's a very patronising and smug response. Unlike some on here, not my policy to fall out with fellow blues. I base my concerns on factual events that have happened (as in today) and the pattern of behaviour that has accrued over the last 20 years. Your stated hope and optimism and scope for latitude are based on conjecture around the club sticking to their word and having time to do the right thing. Think that's where we'll leave it.
Dan Parker
148 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:41:54
Man City's fox in the box 😂
Shane Corcoran
149 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:42:46
Williams signed according to SSN.
Jay Wood
150 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:49:28
The likes of John Stones, Ross Barkley and Romelu Lukaku are of the age, ability and profile we should be looking to recruit and retain at the club if we have genuine ambitions to compete for trophies on a consistent basis.

Sad John has gone, but ... the club remains. Let's wait for this transfer window to close before casting judgement on net spend against transfers out and whether the squad is stronger or not for the summer's wheeling and dealing.

Tony J Williams
151 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:51:32
Of all the players being linked away from Everton, he was the one I was least worried about losing.

I am sure he will be a great player but we need a solid defender at the moment, not a showman.

Peter Roberts
152 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:52:41
Happy with that. Upgrade at centre half with someone happy to be here and about £25m change left over for a cheeky bid for Juan Mata.
Eric Holland
153 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:56:44
Think the Sky money is getting spent today! expect to see lots of activity from prem teams in the next few days.
Martin Nicholls
154 Posted 09/08/2016 at 12:57:23
Good riddance to Stones – didn't need the Rodwell lesson.
Geoff Williams
155 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:01:25
"It's an ambitious club with a great manager," sadly he was talking about City not Everton.
Guy Hastings
157 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:05:06
Jagielka, Funes Mori, Williams – three at the back?
Geoff Williams
158 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:11:14
Jags to Sunderland, the next deal??
Chris Hindle
159 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:11:57
James - chill out! Sam is trying to remain upbeat and optimistic. Come the end of the transfer window, if our summer long recruitment drive has only culminated in a backup keeper, a 31-year-old replacement defender and an unproven defensive midfielder, I'll jump on your bandwagon.

Despite agreeing that the tendencies of our club don't lend kindly to positivity, we have a new major shareholder and a quality, intelligent manager. I trust that we will all feel better come the end of the transfer window and the squad will look strong. Until then, it is not as if we're approaching the start of the season with a poor team – it is by and large the same team that managed a 5th placed finish with a 72-point haul not so long ago.

Incidentally, have you ever considered going on Countdown? Your posts are exemplary from a grammatical perspective...

Liam Reilly
160 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:13:10
Did anyone see him play pre-season. Heart wasn't in it.

Good business; as he was another Lescott waiting to happen if he started on Saturday.

Nick Page
161 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:15:03
Where's the fucking Stones money, Kenwright?
Jim Lloyd
162 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:20:35
I think it isn't just a matter of choosing who we want and then off we go and buy him. I think we have plenty of money and that Mr Moshiri intends to make us into a club that challenges for honours.

We are not, however, likely to be challenging for the title on a consistent basis, this coming season, or the next or maybe not even the season after next.

We're in a postition of not yet being attractive enough as a club to attract anyone we want. We're also likely to lose some players who think they will get into the champions league soonest by moving. We've got to lose players who aren't good enough and replace them with better. It took Manchester City when Sheik Mansoor took over, quite a while to attract top class players.

I don't see that it's mR Moshiri not willing to "splash the cash" as someone put it, nor to I see it it as the club being slow in recruiting players.We are likely to have to gradually build up our better squad, just like we did when Sir John Moores took over.

I've no doubts we will become a top club but I certainly don't see it all happening within a few weeks.

We will be a great club and we have a good manager.

David Chait
163 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:21:19
I'm glad this saga seems to be coming to and end.

Regarding Kone, I read one of the experts had him in his Fantasy side... might be good! I think that Ronald could have gone back for Virgil, but that he went for this guy says something! I confident in RK's choices...

Ernie Baywood
165 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:22:36
I don't agree with the good riddance comments. I'm very disappointed that we've lost a player with his potential. And I still don't feel any wealthier.

That said, he was the one who we would miss least on Saturday. His loss is much longer term.

Brent Stephens
166 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:25:31
Jim #145 I think you're right about it taking time before we can be attractive to top-end players. This will take time. A journey of a thousand miles... as Chairman Bill would say.
Kevin Tully
167 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:30:25
Good luck to Stones, he couldn't turn down a huge pay rise, Champions League football and the chance to work with the best manager in the world.

People are forgetting we spent around 㿀m recruiting Koeman & his team, Walsh and paying off Martinez and his staff. Add in the 㿀m spent on Williams and Gueye, then the Stones money is well spent! (After Barnsley take their cut.)

I'm not worried in the least. I think we'll splash at least another 㿨m or so before the window closes – possibly on quality players such as Mata.

Take a pill – Moshiri, Koeman & Walsh have got this.

David Chait
168 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:30:52
I was waiting for a Stones gone thread to have my say.. but in short... exceptional player and defender! We will miss him when we watch him play to his potential with a great manager surrounded by great players...

No hard feelings.. we go a good chunk of cash and we can move on..

Michael Lynch
169 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:31:06
We need a Williams more than a Stones this season. I'm looking forward to having a leader on the pitch for a change, instead of a dodgy defender with a shit haircut who thinks he's Beckenbauer telling us all to calm down calm down when he gives away yet another soft goal.

Anyway, after the farce of the Euros, who would you rather have in the heart of your defence - the fella who captained Wales to the semi-finals, or a lad who couldn't even get a game in the worst England side in living memory.

Kieran Kinsella
170 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:37:19
Funny how the old war chest remains closed until will sell a player. With that said, the situation reminds of when Lescott left with 31-year-old Distin coming in, only this time it's Williams. That worked out alright for us.

ps: I wasn't comparing Stones with Lescott cause, unlike Joleon, Stones has conducted himself very professionally.

John Wells
171 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:38:34
This is great business. Buy low sell high! We bought Stones for a lot less than what he was worth and now we sell him for a lot more than what he was worth. Gun to my head if I had a choice him or Lukaku to leave I would have picked him. Get in a hardened centre half that strikers will fear and get going. I'm nervous about next week. If Lukaku stays we all know he can go on a run and score in 10 games, with a more solid defence that's a lot of wins .

I know he is a moaning twat but most of these pros are. I'm from Ireland and there was a game of hurling here at the weekend between Kilkenny and Waterford. These guys are amateurs, they get expenses for travel, train 4-5 nights a week after their job. Did anyone watch it? They tore strips off each other for 75 minutes, never gave the opponent an inch, fought for their jersey.

If I was Koeman, I'd bring the whole fucking panel across, sit them on the sideline and tell them this is the intensity I want. Half them would literally shit themselves!!!

Kieran Kinsella
172 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:42:24
SSN say we are in talks for Kone and that "MOYES is desperate to bring in reinforcements after the sale of Stones to Man City." Hmmm... kind of makes you second guess the whole story.
Gary Creaney
173 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:43:34
John Wells,

I'm more of a Gaelic Football man myself but I do have an appreciation of hurling. That match was one of the greatest advertisements of the game you'll ever see.

To bring it back to Everton, it certainly sounds like a fantastic idea for Koeman to show it to the lads but these modern football plonkers are so far gone from reality, I fear it would have little effect.

Gerry Quinn
174 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:45:27
Kevin Tully (149) – totally disagree with you. Stones is leaving the soon-to-be "Best Manager in the World" behind – unfortunate for the lad, but there you go.
Brent Stephens
175 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:46:39
Kieran, Moyes is obviously on his way back to us as Koeman hasn't been up to the job! I mean, he's had all of several weeks to turn us around!
David Pearl
176 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:48:30
Just heard Mata is on his way. From a coach at Everton. Maybe a wind up, maybe not. Pity we have to sell a player to firm up our own plans.
Paul Mackie
178 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:51:41
Sad to see Stones go but I bet most people on here would too if they were in his position.

Also, I don't get all this 'sell to buy' stuff. Of course we're not going to buy defenders until the Stones deal was finished. Why would we? If it had fallen through for any reason we'd have players we don't need. By all means revisit this on Sep 1st when the window has slammed shut, but until then it's a bit premature!

Tony Abrahams
179 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:58:19
Agree Chris, I also thought that it was a good post from Sam. If its true we have signed Williams, then as good as Stones can be, football is about the here and now, and Williams will deffo make us more solid at the minute. So for me, this signing has more than softened the blow of losing a player with massive potential. Sign Kone, and I'm sure we will be a lot more solid from a defensive point of view.

Football is awash with money right now, but it doesn't mean that clubs should go out and just waste it. I actually think that Stones has made a mistake in signing for City, but only time will tell.

James McPherson
180 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:58:44
Paul Mackie, OK I hear and understand the view on buying defenders (though we have known all summer long that Stones would be off somewhere).

What's your explanation around no acquisitions for a forward, left midfielder, goalkeeper?

All positions that many of us agreed needed strengthening in the close season. In May I thought that we'd be in a different position than where we are now.

James Watts
181 Posted 09/08/2016 at 13:59:59
Something absolutely stinks at GP. Selling Stones then buying is showing we STILL have very little money to spend on transfers despite the mythical millions from Mosh and the TV money.

And why wasn't Stones sold weeks ago as it was so obvious he was leaving? And then selling 4 days before kick off? Are you freaking kidding me? Playing him in friendlies when we should have had his replacement(s) bedding in?

What the hell is going on???

David Milner
182 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:02:00
㿛.5 million for Stones plus ٠.5 million if City win the Champions League, good bit of business. 㾾 million for Kone does seem a bit much but they might take the other Kone in part exchange. Stranger things have happened.

Good luck for John Stones at his new club, except against us. Every player has his price though. Welcome Ashley Williams on a 4-year-deal!

Mike Green
183 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:04:13
David (#157) – I was saying to my old man the other night that it looked like Koeman was sorting the team out from the spine out – Goalkeeper, Defensive Mid, now Central Defence – so it wouldn't surprise me if Mata was next. How good would that be?

A proper side developing hopefully, pressure on people for places and next up – centre forward...

Peter Gorman
184 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:04:24
Let the spending spree commence.
Sam Hoare
186 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:10:56
James @131, I'm sorry, I was attempting to be humourous rather than patronising.

Both our arguments are based on conjecture, yours is that the new regime will mirror the past one. You have no more concrete proof that we have not been making bids for players than I do that we have. I am prepared to admit that you may well be proven right. You are clearly not.

That's my point I suppose; let's see who is right before we start throwing stones (get it?! aw, nevermind).

Dan Parker
187 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:19:14
Stones has more potential that Lescott but Lescott was the better defensively, a full England international when we 'lost' him to city. I'm glad the club doesn't wish to repeat that game horrible opening game against Arsenal a few years ago.

Didn't turn out so well for Lescott did it, or Rodwell. Sterling would have been better off staying at the other side.

With the continent laughing at the silly money being paid in the Premier League, England's inept performances reflecting the over-rated nature of our own. If we get Williams, great business. We need a good defender right now unfortunately, not 'one for the future'.

Sam Hoare
188 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:20:26
In other news, i've heard whispers today of Rachid Ghezzal. Pretty unreliable source but an excellent Mahrez-like player if true.
Kristian Boyce
189 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:25:49
Moyes wants Jag's in the Kone deal now and has had a bid rejected supposedly. I forgot that he's going to be 34 in the next couple of days, would that be a good deal?
Mike Green
190 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:26:04
Mata would be great – if someone offered me Mata, Williams plus change for Stones, I'm afraid I wouldn't hesitate. Bring it on.
Tony Abrahams
191 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:27:52
Ernie, I was one of the people who said good riddance, but it was more to do with the fact of Everton, being able to move on, with a much clearer view, of the future.

We kept stones last year, but he's never seemed as happy since then in our blue shirt, and once he never signed a new contract, it was obvious he was going to leave.

Nothing to dislike about Stones, he never went crying to the press, even if he did start crying in the service station! But actions speak louder than words, and his demeanour just hasn't been right for a long time.

I wish him luck, and hope he fulfills his massive potential, but the first two goals we conceded at Anfield last season, showed me this kid has still got a hell of a lot to learn.

Especially the bit about defensive desire, because the way he never tried to get back into the middle to protect Baines, when Sacko scored that night, did start to make me question his bravery.

David Barks
192 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:28:41
How did it not turn out well for Lescott? He spent five seasons with them, winning trophies, playing in Europe, making a ton of money toward the end of his career while battling knee injuries. How exactly did it not go well for Lescott?
David Pearl
193 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:29:12
Mike, 163. We are buying for the now which I like... And tough players too for a change. Still need a top keeper though. And a proper option to keep Lukaku on his toes. Guess the next 22 days is going to be frantic.
Eric Myles
194 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:30:46
"Didn't turn out so well for Lescott did it," eh Dan (#166).

Won the Premier League twice, FA Cup and League Cup, paid £90,000 a week by City, worth around £14 million and has his own clothing line.

What an absolute failure.

Ernie Baywood
195 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:37:00
Buying for the now is all well and good. No issue with that. But what version of "now" are we buying for? I'd hoped it was the version where we built on the development that made us a top 6 side before Roberto's collapse. Are we buying for top 6 or solid mid table security?

If it's mid table, then I think I'd rather buy for the future.

Mark Boulle
196 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:41:58
I was erring on the side of patience and giving the new regime the benefit of the doubt until the end of last week...

Now, I've had enough and I agree entirely with James (#161). Koeman has been in post two months, Walsh the best part of a month. As countless others have said, an established No 1 keeper, cover at right back, a left-sided midfielder and another option up front were (and still are) the bare minimum requirements of this transfer window, independent of any sales.

Koeman must surely have been aware of these acute squad deficiencies from his interview process and just general knowledge of Premier League squads! I mean, other footy fans I talk to have a good idea where Everton are lacking in terms of players, as do I for plenty other Premier League clubs. The 'assessing what we have' delay made sense for a few weeks, no longer. The season is almost upon us for goodness's' sake!

I agree with Sam Hoare that of course the transfer window should close before the season begins. The fact it doesn't, however, is no excuse to wait until we've already played a handful of premier league games to complete the squad.

I understand that, in the past, we had no option. Near bankruptcy followed by years of more sensible financial management dictated a sell-to-buy policy, fine.

Now, we have a billionaire shareholder, more Sky TV money than we know what to do with, yet still we sit here on 9 August, with kick off in four days, with a net summer spend on transfers of approximately £-39m. This despite gaping, obvious holes in the squad and money to spend.

The delays in Everton doing anything infuriate me. Gueye was a certainty, yet it took a whole working week to tie up. The initial Williams offer was rejected last Tuesday 2 August. If we had 㾶m to bid for him then, we could have upped our offer to 㾸m on Wednesday 3rd couldn't we...?! Why have we waited until Tuesday 9th and confirmation of the sale of Stones?? Even now, having had that bid accepted, the signing of Williams is not sealed of course. Stones, on the other hand, has somehow negotiated terms, had a medical and signed on the dotted line as a Man City player totally under the radar, quickly and with ruthless efficiency.

It's driving me mad and, quite honestly, even if we sign 4 or 5 more players between now and 31 August will not fully make up for my frustration, whoever the new arrivals may be. New players were required before August, so they could be integrated into the club and Koeman's desired way of playing.

As it stands, with the squad largely unchanged and still, in its almost total majority, trying to unlearn the Martinez 'philosophy', I can only see a slow start and frustrating amounts of points dropped whilst we bed in whatever new players we do acquire.

Not good enough.

Stephen Ashton
197 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:42:51
Stones goes for a net £40m, the Sky money hits the bank this week and suddenly we start spending, or so it seems.

So where is the investment? Is it all going to a new stadium? We could have done the business that is proposed without a new owner.

Just wondering.

Raymond Fox
198 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:43:05
David (#150), is your opinion gleaned with your own eyes or are you following experts in the media. I know one thing, our defence will be a hell of a lot stronger without Stones and Williams in his place.

Time will tell of course but I think City have paid over the odds for Stones. I don't know what other clubs now think of Barkley, but I would try to off load him before his qudos falls further.

James McPherson
199 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:43:15
Sam 167 - given your propensity to believe everything you hear, I'm delighted that you are pleased with Ghezzal's arrival. 😉 No hard feelings on before - all blues and all opinion.
Ernie Baywood
200 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:43:47
Just to add, I don't begrudge Stones this move at all. He wanted to move and he was prepared to actually put a written request in while not moaning to the press. I can respect that.

I think he's been lucky we turned last year's written request down and he is now going to work with a manager who you would think he is perfectly suited to. Chelsea didn't make anywhere near as much sense as this move.

So good luck to him. But now he's gone, and it's all about the current and incoming Everton players.

Jay Harris
201 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:45:41
Ernie,

You cant build on sand and it was obvious Stones's heart was not at GP anymore so let him go and get someone in who can hold the defence together for a few years and show a bit of leadership and grit to the rest of the team.

We may have had talent with potential and did get 5th over 2 years ago and should really have got 4th but Jags, Barry and Baines are more than 2 years older now, Osman and Howard are gone and other clubs have strengthened in the meantime.

We need a major restructure and Koeman is the man.

James McPherson
202 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:52:33
Mark 175, totally agree. Pretty obvious to trained Everton eyes well used to the mechanics of how we have operated over the last 20 years that nothing has changed at all.

It beggars belief that the overwhelming and insurmountable evidence that's been there for all to see over the years and being replicated in this close season is being simply discarded as negative and premature. Season starts August 13 not August 31.

Dan Parker
203 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:53:23
David, you mention 'the end of his career', he's only 33, and playing in the Championship. All Premier League players make bags of money, he reaped the rewards at city, including trophies, but his career longevity and England career has suffered. All a matter of viewpoint I guess, 5 minutes of fame or a long career and good reputation.
Eric Myles
204 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:54:00
It's not called 'Silly Season' for nothing, fans expectations never match the clubs' reality with regard to the money / wages available, never mind the willingness of the fans' flavour of the month to join us.

I know we maybe expected so much more from the new ownership and the 'promise' of a war chest, but just who promised it? It's all been paper talk, nothing from the Club.

Daniel Lawrence
205 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:54:23
Any chance of signing a keeper now we've created our war chest?
Darren Dennett
206 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:55:39
Sam (#167), where have you seen this Ghezzal rumour? Very skillful footballer, brilliant left foot. Not been mentioned with other teams as far as I know.
James McPherson
207 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:56:17
Eric 183, the final 4 words of your post are telling.
Martin Nicholls
208 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:56:51
Very subtle Daniel!
David Chait
209 Posted 09/08/2016 at 14:57:45
Daniel, it's going to be hard to spend this warchest plus the Stones fee... now is the time to offer stupid money and get Butland!
Eric Myles
210 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:05:40
James (#185), I think it would be a great leap forward for us if Moshiri was to fund our progress on the field from player sales for now (while we have 2 or 3 overvalued players that can be replaced) and put his own money into a new stadium.

Grow the team and the business in parallel but sustainably.

Rob Halligan
211 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:08:13
㿛.5M for a defender who can't defend, head a ball and mistimes tackles, and also couldn't get into a shit English defence at the euros. Sad to see him go!!

㾸M for a much better defender and 㿏M better off, before we pay Barnsley that is. Happy days!

Daniel Lawrence
212 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:09:53
On reflection, I assume we may sign one once Lukaku goes Friday.
Jon Hirshman
214 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:21:49
I'm disappointed at losing Stones but I think we have got a good price for him. I wish Williams was younger but still think he will be a good signing in the Distin mode. It would also be good to get Lamine Kone in as well. I still think we need a dominant midfielder, a 1st choice goalkeeper, a left winger and a striker (please not Bony or Remy).
Daniel Joseph
215 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:24:21
Who was it who said we had £100m? Never heard it from Koeman, Moshri or Bill, did any of you?
Alex Jones
216 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:27:26
So a young cultured centre-back with great potential out and two cart horses in. Undoubtedly we'll be more secure at the back but at what cost?

I'm not sure what's more depressing, the loss of stones or how pleased fans are that we can go back to hoofball.

Don't see much evidence of a project from our new stewards. Even if we do get signings in now, it's too little too late. And playing Stones defies belief.

Iain Latchford
217 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:31:55
Is Benteke really half the player Lukaku is? Sell Lukaku for 㿭m with Begovic thrown in, buy Benteke for 㿊m, and still pocket 㿏m. Decent business for me.
Jay Woods
218 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:32:29
Utterly disillusioned with the Moshiri Revolution so far. What a statement of intent letting Stones go has been. Yes, I know he wanted away, but it will take an amazing signing now to restore credibility to the Morshiri regime.
Patrick Murphy
219 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:35:40
Daniel (19) I don't think anybody at the club in an official capacity uttered the actual figure of £100m, but it was something that was picked up by the national and local media and nobody at the club has ever sought to deny it. I don't know for sure but I have looked to see if there was a primary source responsible and I can't find it.

Obviously in these days of spin and counter spin, many things can be leaked to the press to help create a particular climate and many of us, because we read and hear things so often are prone to believe them as facts. Similarly with the stadium, nobody from the club has made any sort of significant statement in 2016, but many of us are reliant on cryptic tweets from an elected politician to feed us 'positive' information which may or may not hold water.


Ciarán McGlone
220 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:36:12
John Wells..

Some of our overpaid prima donnas would soil themselves if they had watched that cats Waterford game..

I love my football, but there's no comparison.

Jay Harris
221 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:37:15
I cant believe any Evertonian is disappointed in this deal. Stones has been gone since Mourhino's overture and Joe Hart telling him how wonderful Man City is.

We are getting to beef up a woeful defence and put funds towards other areas of the team.

Come on, Koeman.

Dave Hall
222 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:37:37
Thrilled with the business for Stones. If the club have two rock solid, proven EPL defenders in Kone and Williams with 10 mil left over, we're a better team right now with more money in the bank to address central midfield, the left flank, a GK and a 2nd striker.

47.5 m is crazy money for Stones and he wanted to go. Enough complaining from the faithful-- this transfer policy makes good sense for the first team for Saturday AND for the club still in formation.

Daniel Lawrence
223 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:41:40
Let's face it, we're in the league to make up the numbers, merely a sideshow to The Sky Sports/BT carnival. As long as we don't get relegated, all is good with those that run both our club and The Premier League itself.

Nothing's going to change unless we make some kind of statement, with the most visible option being a marquee type signing.

Selling a player for 㿞 million and bringing in a 32-year-old, (that's assuming he passes a medical), doesn't do that. The moment has passed, any player coming through the door now will have been from proceeds raised, not seen as an ambitious proactive move by the club.

As you were Everton, as you were

Kevin Gillen
224 Posted 09/08/2016 at 15:47:09
I don't understand why so many people are happy at selling our best player. That lad is pure class on and off the field. He will be the future England captain.

I don't get the "good business" argument. I don't get the "he wanted to leave" argument, why wasn't this lad signed up as the totem of our great club? Almost as bad a day as the Alan Ball transfer and the Rooney exit.

To add insult to injury, we find out from Manchester City's UEFA Squad announcement and the Official Club Website responds by spinning it as a "club record transfer".

Too many ToffeeWebbers have been brought up on FIFA on the Xbox or Playstation where you can change your team with the click of a mouse. I want success on the pitch with the best players in an Everton shirt. Everton are a feeder club for the top four. I will be singing, "Money can't buy me Stones" from the Main Stand on Saturday.

Tim Sharpe
225 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:08:27
It's good money for a talented, but naïve defender. Take the ٥m reported cut for Barnsley, and approx 㿊 million for Williams & L Kone and we still have a 㾶 million profit, and an extra player.

I don't think we have to sell to buy financially, rather to see who we have left will dictate who we need to buy, rather than strengthen one area for us to be hit by a sucker punch having blown our wad already.

Koeman seems to be more of a calm, methodical man that the flashy Spaniard who preceded him.

Jay Harris
226 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:09:50
Kevin,

It's a team game, not a collection of individuals with "potential" and, far from being our "best" player, Stones was amongst our worst players last season which is why he was dropped for a while.

I think he showed a lot of promise 2 years ago but, even with all of the skill in the world, lost his sense of awareness at what was going on around him.

Anyone that doesn't want to play for the club and supporters is best let go.

Chris Leyland
227 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:16:43
Kevin, what exactly is 'class' about him being so desperate to leave for the last two summers? Why keep a player who is so determined to be away from Goodison?

His game has not improved one jot in three seasons. He has in fact actually regressed. Whilst he can bring the ball out of the defence, he is not actually a very good defender and is always liable to create a chance for the opposition or be out-jumped from set pieces.

His potential is taking a long time to bloom and getting rid for big money and signing defenders who can actually defend may win us a few more points over the course of a season.

Fran Mitchell
228 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:18:35
Such unambitious Evertonian mindset.

The fact is, anything less that what we got would have been a steal considering current prices. Stones in 2/3 years will likely be one of the best defenders in the world. Yes, it is a ridiculous fee they all are. But as a fan I don't see money, but I do see players. And we've lost a heck of a player.

In 2/3 years Williams will be 35, Kone 30! and neither of them will be amongst the best.

All players are replaceable, however the names quoted to replace Stones only inspire 'yeah, decent players... good solid defenders' remarks. Leicester were an anomaly, so people need to stop banging on like we 'can do a Leicester', ie, Average team go on great form for 38 games and win the league.

But none of these players quoted are top class defender that will take us to the champions league or further.

Stones represented a player of the highest quality, albeit poorly managed in the last 2 seasons.

Those saying 'he wasn't even picked for England as testament to his lack of quality forget Everton players never get picked for England. England is a selected by popularity contests between the Sky clubs. But if you think either Smalling or Cahill are better. ...tuttut is all I can say.

This is one of the reasons I hate fucking modern football.

Fans talk more about fucking money, as if it was their own, than about players and therefore losing a hugely regarded defender and replacing with decent defenders is met with smiles.

For once I'd like to see good young players fucking develop at a club without being either written off after every poor performance or sold off after every good one.

Paul Tran
229 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:25:04
Good point, Tim. We could have sold Stones quicker, for less money. We could have banished him to the reserves and brought down his price again. We acted like a team that didn't want to sell until we got a good deal.

Having money doesn't mean you throw it around. It's about knowing what you've got to spend and allocating it accordingly. Martinez blew a summer budget on Lukaku, leaving us with small change for Besic. We couldn't strengthen the team like we needed to.

I don't know how all the negotiations are going – and that includes potentially persuading players to stay – so I can't comment on our effectiveness. What's clear is that Koeman wanted to look at the players himself, then start with the spine of the team; a welcome change from buying 'nice' peripheral players.

Small steps in the right direction for me.

Pete Edwards
230 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:25:23
Alex, have you seen Williams play other than on MotD?? He can pass a ball no doubt from either foot! He also knows when to use the "hoof" ball, like all centre-backs should!

He's short-term... maybe 3 seasons of defending and leading on the pitch, perfect to build from and bring on the younger players. I'll bet, if he signs, he will be the captain start of next season at the latest

Alex Jones
231 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:27:30
The myth that Stones can't defend is peddled only by total ignoramuses.

He's a fantastic defender and a fantastic footballer.

What are you going to do with the £10 mill profit Tim?

Selling Stones and replacing him with mid-table dross is proof that Everton will never contend at the top. We want to out play Man City surely, not give them our top talents.

Colin Williams
232 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:28:01
Big mistake selling Stonsey! Not really a surprise by our club. Also many supporters wanted this to happen! (I don't get it.) This lad for the next 10+ years will haunt us with his quality!!!

Selling top quality players who can perform for a minimum of 10 years and buying good performers for maximum of 2 years... Great deal!! NOT!!!

Fecking shocking decision again by our club and what surprises me is the majority of supporters on this site seem to agree with it! Laughable...

Tim Sharpe
233 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:30:07
Football is results driven. Stones could break a leg next week and be forced to retire. He could go onto be the greatest footballer the world has ever seen. Potential is his main value, not proof of ability.

No-one seems doubts his skill on here, his concentration and awareness are suspect. I doubt he wants to stay, he's seem the dollar signs and bright lights of fairyland and want to flutter away. Good luck to him, but just not against us.

We got a good price for him, yes we lost a potential world class player, but what happened the last time we lost our superstar? We qualified for the Champions League the season after Rooney departed.

In 2/3 seasons yes, Williams will retire, but he has three seasons to mentor Holgate, Pennington, Galloway, Browning etc and to influence Funes Mori.
Also the immediate impact on next season and for a fairly moderate layout.

Short term gain, long term influence. Good, shrewd and balanced business in my opinion.

Alex Jones
234 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:36:25
Mentor those young players to play for who?

If they're ever any good we'll ship them. That's what we are now, all we are. Sure it will look good to our accountants but not to me watching it.

Tim Sharpe
235 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:41:26
@Alex 206 - With the £10 million I would put it towards either a centre forward, or creative midfielder personally. What we do with that is not the question really.

We have lost one star player who doesn't want to be there, and (assuming the deals are done) gained 2 good ones. Simple matter of numbers there we gain. It also increases competition, which pushes player more to get into, and stay in the squad - IMHO part of Lukaku's problem is that he has no real competition to push him or threaten his place.

How much is your average lawnmower these days?

Alex Jones
236 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:50:47
None of what you've said makes any sense to me. Why haven't Barca sold Messi? After all, how many players could they get for the £150-odd mill he would cost? Think of the competition for places with all those average players they could have instead.

They've missed a trick clearly.

Ian Horan
237 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:51:27
Reading the comments of disappointment on Stones sale is understandable; however, he wanted out!!! We have made a 㿒 mill profit. We have consistent defenders coming in.

Oh, the most important thing is we support Everton FC — not John Stones FC. Stones has been sacrificed for the all-round benefits of Everton FC. Those who lament his move can always support Man City, there always seems to be empty seats there.

Richard Reeves
238 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:52:42
I don't know how good Kone is but Moyes was defender-mad and we know how much he tried to keep hold of players he rated highly. So, if this bloke is for sale, he's either way over-priced and not that good, or Moyes has got his eye on an improvement... or maybe he's got no money to spend again... ha, ha, ha!

James Morgan
239 Posted 09/08/2016 at 16:54:43
Reports saying we've turned down Jags to Sunderland. I can see a part-ex going on, methinks.
Raymond Fox
240 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:01:54
There will be signings late on in the window, I feel certain. Probably 1 or 2 eye openers (I hope), Koeman will know by now where we badly need strengthening, someone who can create goal chances from midfield being the most obvious.

What's going to happen with Lukaku is a big head scratcher though.

Koeman will know who he wants, but getting them sign is the hard part.

Phil Walling
241 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:03:03
A quick dive into the archives fails to come up with any statement from the Club that Moshiri was promising 𧴜M for player recruitment although I am positive some journals SUGGESTED that figure would be made available.

Certainly, the Editors of ToffeeWeb were far more circumspect and no figures were attached to their announcement of the investor's arrival on 26th February 2016.

'PLAYING SIDE TO BE BOLSTERED BY MOSHIRI' was the welcoming headline and although there were references to the fact that the newcomer's money might well help to retain the services of the likes of Stones, Lukaku and Barkley, no figure was mentioned.

Ringing a couple of fellow lifelong Evertonians has brought forward several mentions of the 𧴜M being featured in the Daily Mirror although I can find no such piece on the internet editions of late February.

A quick call to 221b Baker Street seems to be in order!

Ed Fitzgerald
242 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:05:20
Kevin

Almost as bad as Alan Ball going? Really? The Alan Ball we bought was a already a World Cup winner and gave great service to us and was part of a midfield that won the league playing fantastic football. You are comparing potential in Stones with true class and a never say die attitude.

Tim Sharpe
244 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:13:52
Maybe because Messi doesn't want to leave Barca?

Sometimes you just have to make the best out of the situation. I'm aware that hope, positivity and optimism are rare traits to find in an Evertonian, but that is my outlook.

The decision is not mine, or yours to sell Stones. It's down to the Club to either keep a want-away player, or cash in. Yes, we lost a great player. Are Williams & Kone Mk2 as good? Technically, no. But many of the top defenders are not technically gifted defenders. They put it into Row Z, or away from danger, not fanny about doing fancy turns in his own six yard box, or get caught ball watching.

We can either cry and rant about it or go "OK, so what can we do?"

I'm more practical and prefer to see the latter. Fan anger or frustration won't bring him back to Goodison.

Patrick Murphy
245 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:16:34
From the Liverpool Echo by Phil Kirkbride 14th June 2016:-

If Everton have left behind a period of relative austerity then they have entered one of audacity. One of ambition where bold and daring moves will be made in an aggressive pursuit of top four success. And because of that, this will also be a time of ruthless decision making.

Ronald Koeman's appointment as the Blues' new manager is a statement of that intent after they identified their No1 target, fixed their sights on him and doggedly refused to take no for an answer.

They have agreed to pay him ٤m-a-year and will hand the 53-year-old the keys to a 𧴜m transfer war chest but in an era where football is more of a business than ever, Farhad Moshiri will expect a return on his hefty investment ..

Koeman's Warchest

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ronald-koeman-comment-its-strictly-11472906

There was an earlier mention by the Mirror prior to Ronald's appointment which made mention of the mythical? 𧴜m war chest but whence it came nobody knows!

Eddie Dunn
246 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:18:52
Jay, 202, Well said, Stones had so many bad games last season. We can't blame it all on Martinez, after all the other chump Hodgson obviously didn't rate him highly enough to give him any minutes at the Euros.

I don't think he will become a top class centre half. He reminds me of Luis (the Brazilian once of Chelsea) he looked great trotting out of the defence with the ball at his feet but he was often caught out to the detriment of his fellow defenders.

City under Guardiola may try to play possession football and he may bring more out of the young Stones. Time will tell, but I don't think it will work in the Premier League, just as it didn't work for Martinez.

We have done the right thing selling him, as he was willing to leave and probably distracted by events since Chelsea tried to get him. Incidentally, is it not sad that as a Man Utd fan, he ends up playing for their enemies. Football eh!

Gordon Crawford
247 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:27:01
When I watch the Stones interview, it saddens me to hear him say that he was asking his England pals about life at Man City.

I don't wish him any harm in his career, but I do wish him a trophy-less one. But I am also relieved that we have got rid of a half-hearted Everton player.

Terry McLavey
248 Posted 09/08/2016 at 17:35:15
Let's hope he doesn't sulk or commit schoolboy errors for his new club, or he'll be a bench-warmer, like Rodwell was.

I don't fancy being him when he comes back to Goodison!

One mercenary down... one to go!

Kunal Desai
249 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:07:43
Patrick - time will tell I suppose what the Moshiri revolution uncovers. I just cannot understand why we can't do deals during pre season knowing Stones wanted out long ago rather thn the week before the campaign kicks off. Set clubs a deadline and stick to it, otherwise no deal, the club needs to toughen off the field as well as on the field.

Now were are looking to panic buy with the likes of Kone and Bolasie. Williams might be good business on a 2-year deal.

Chris James
250 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:08:45
Not sure I want another Kone unless the one we have is moving in the opposite direction. Can't say I recall the player to be honest, certainly not for this sort of money.
Kevin Gillen
251 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:11:05
I suppose I'll have to settle for the vicarious pleasure of watching Stones, like Rooney before him, lifting various trophies above his head whilst we battle out mid- table mediocrity with Kone and Williams hoofing it clear.
Anthony Jones
252 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:17:54
If nothing else, a bid would unsettle him and rile Gollum.
Sondre Haga
253 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:21:17
Lamine Kone is just what we need. Physical, rock solid defender. Sign him up!
Eugene Ruane
254 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:28:32
Anthony (222) - That suggestion is petty, narrow-minded, vindictive and quite frankly bitter.

I'm really not sure how to react to such an idea.

Link

Jack Convery
255 Posted 09/08/2016 at 20:46:43
Mark (#25) gets my vote for comment of the day:

if for no other reason, Moyes needs to let Kone go to Everton for the good of the player's career.

Brilliant!

Lee Adams
256 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:11:23
Gentlemen, ladies and the rest of you fookers.

I've sought you out as an extremely bitter Sunderland fan who wishes to give you nothing but abuse, you absolute scum bastards!

I am kidding, of course... I have nothing but respect for EFC and your fantastic fans and I actually see many similarities between your great club and mine.

The reason I've popped up here is probably self-evident given who I support...

Lamine Koné. You can't possible know what you're signing, even in spite of his brace against you last season. If you get him at 㾾m you should dance through the streets of Merseyside. I promise you - not only is he a magnificent defender, he's a fantastic character and he will stay in touch with you guys every day via social media.

He's quick, he can pass, he's as strong as an ox and he'll score goals.

Cherish him. I'm heartbroken at my club for backing out of the deal he was promised. Koné is no mercenary — he wanted to stay but we let him down.

Good luck with him — you'll soon fall in love with him. Trust me.

Have a great season. You deserve it.

Brent Stephens
257 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:18:36
Wow, what a post! If that's genuine, Lee, cheers, nice one. And regards to the rest of the family (scouse humour).
Mike Green
258 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:21:24
I wonder if the irony was lost on Joe Hart when he was linked with us two days ago..?
Mike Green
259 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:22:16
Today is moving day.
John Daley
260 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:22:48
" he will stay in touch with you guys every day via social media"

Link

Keith Harrison
261 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:48:47
Lee, I have a couple of Black cats mates. It was (nearly) pleasurable losing to you in that game where Kone scored as it sent the Skunks down. Good luck this season, and thanks for coming on here. Appreciated mate.
Tony Abrahams
262 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:51:59
We should dance in the streets if we get him for £18 million! Not havin a go at you Lee, especially since you have taken the time to tell us what a good player we will be getting, but what happened to the working class game, I used to love so much?

Don't know why, but this is a signing, I really want Everton, to make, so I hope your link is wrong John, "and we can all go calling out around the world"!

Colin Glassar
263 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:53:40
Lee, are you his agent?
Andy Meighan
264 Posted 09/08/2016 at 21:59:32
Kevin (#224), you'd better get a shedful of ale down you then. You're going to look a bit of a twat singing that in the Main Stand...
Phil Walling
265 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:12:42
No, Colin, his manager!
Colin Glassar
266 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:22:23
What's your take on today's dealings Phil?
John Grace
267 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:30:23
Tip of the hat to Lee Adams, fair play lad.

I would welcome this acquisition with open arms.

Eric Holland
268 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:31:45
Think he has been offered a new contract by Sunderland tonight!!!
John Daley
269 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:38:06
I can't make any comment on Kone's ability or suitability as a signing, Tony.

I've only seen him play the once and whilst he looked powerful, pacy and carried an attacking threat, the fact it was against an Everton team who approached games with all the naïveté and fight of Buddy the fucking Elf means there's no way I would put much faith in it as a true measure of whether the fella's a worthy acquisition or not.

Nicholas Ryan
270 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:39:04
It would be such a delicious irony, if Stonesy was persuaded into Man City, by a player [Hart] who immediately leaves for Everton !
John Grace
271 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:40:57
https://youtu.be/eC5uFIeJdSc

Ladies and gents I came across this..
An interesting little thing, if nothing but for the inside perspective on Gareth Barry.. 3mins 11secs in.

David Booth
272 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:53:23
Clearly, with all this amazingly-co-incidental activity within hours of Stones' transfer out, we are still a sell-to-buy club.

Are all our hopes of a Moshiri-inspired new dawn now going to come crashing down?

This all smacks of deja-vu of the most desperately disappointing kind.

Again...


Dan Davies
273 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:56:11
David maybe we should be a buy to sell club?
Kieran Kinsella
274 Posted 09/08/2016 at 22:57:49
Another Kone, another Gueye is there another Bakoyoko in the works?
Kieran Kinsella
275 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:03:17
Gordon

Stones is a Man Utd fan and a Barnsley product. He's not a blue so why the vitriole? If he was unswervingly loyal he'd have stayed at Barnsley.

He came here, do a good job, never bad mouthed the club, now he's gone. It's a shame we as a club are too inept to keep good players but I have no ill will for him.

David Booth
276 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:04:38
Dan, you know what I mean ;)
Daniel Lawrence
277 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:18:25
Staying and signing a new contract it would seem.
Pete Cumberlidge
278 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:19:50
David, hardly déjà vu. Under the previous regime most, if not all, the money would have disappeared.
John Daley
279 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:23:59
Last I saw was his agent stating he'll be turning up for training tomorrow (which is awfully nice of him) and Chelsea supposedly sniffing around now as well. Where's the 'signing a new contract' stuff come from?
John Davies
280 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:29:55
Drew O'Neall #7. You are like so many bloody Evertonians who think they know better than a former world class footballer - and the best possible manager who was out there at the time we needed to replace the deluded Spanish idiot.

Why do you moan and groan and think you are more qualified to spend the club's money than Ronald Koeman? Sorry but I don't remember ever seeing your name on a Barcelona or Holland teamsheet, nor do I ever remember you managing a football club at any level - although you may have a Fantasy League side.

We have the best supporters in the world at Everton but also some of the biggest "bell ends" going. You people piss me right off.

Eugene Ruane
281 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:33:43
John (279) - Could be from this (which of course could be bollocks...or not...or is).

Link

James Watts
282 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:35:53
His agent in same interview Daniel (277)
John Daley
283 Posted 09/08/2016 at 23:52:32
Cheers Eugene.

'Awaiting an offer of a new contract' is some way from actually signing one though.

Brian Wilkinson
284 Posted 10/08/2016 at 00:49:58
I think Bill has finally found the Arteta money, I would have a sniff around for Whatmore from Sunderland, looks a decent prospect.
Tony Abrahams
285 Posted 10/08/2016 at 06:44:35
I'm actually in the same boat as you John, but he looks like a really big lad, and sunderland only lost one of the last twelve league games, after signing him in January. I'm pretty sure it saved Sunderland, from the drop, and I also think that Allerdyce, knows a no-nonsense defender when he sees one. (Watch out Stones!)

In saying that, what Lee, says about Kone, I'm sure most of us felt the same way about Jelavic, after he had only been with Everton, for a few months?

Phil Jeffries
286 Posted 10/08/2016 at 11:33:04
I didn't know anything about Kone until he signed in the January transfer market for Sunderland. One thing that I do know is that since his arrival Sunderland all of a sudden stopped conceding goals and lost one game from January until May. Sunderland fans appear gutted to lose him and I trust Koeman when it comes to spotting defensive reinforcements.
Stephen Coles
287 Posted 10/08/2016 at 16:10:21
This one is all about the agent getting him a better deal.
Ian McDowell
288 Posted 10/08/2016 at 16:20:18
I'd be happy with signing Kone. I think that CB in the prem need to be big, strong and good in the air to deal with the high number of crosses we get in the EPL.

It's fair to say we have struggled particularly at defending crosses and set plays in the last 18 months.

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