The Blues have been frustrated in their search for striking reinforcements, with moves for Lucas Perez and Manolo Gabbiadini falling through and it appears, based on reports from the Mail's and the Express's northwest-focused journalists, that the club have turned to a known Premier League quantity in Valencia.
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1 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:18:57
2 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:23:19
3 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:23:42
4 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:25:58
5 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:34:04
He must be crap if they are selling, especially as their main striker Carroll is a crock.
6 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:35:56
7 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:36:10
8 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:36:51
I can't believe we didn't try and sign Bony.
9 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:43:48
Valencia was brilliant in the World Cup 2 years ago and West Ham are known to ruin strikers; I think he could be decent!
10 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:46:49
So West Ham are below us, eh. We would never have bought Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst, Trevor Brooking etc if we could have then?
11 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:47:12
Koeman has a plan for how he wants to play, presumably with Lukaku spearheading that attack. Maybe Valencia offers a plan B option, or he seems him as an ideal type of player to support Rom in a two man attack.
Sometimes players fit a system, or even fit a club. I'd love a star striker, but I also want to see a team with options. Pelle wasn't even an international (I think!) before Koeman got hold of him, but he slotted into a system and went on to lead Italy's attack at the Euros.
I believe in what Koeman is doing. People who wanted Bony what did he offer that was much different to Rom? Maybe Valencia isn't that marquee signing, but he offers something different and maybe that marquee signing was out of reach, therefore Koeman had a different option up his sleeve just in case, and that's Valencia.
I'd rather have Valencia than no one. Then we'd all be moaning about having our eggs in one basket, no Plan B, and no other attacking options! As I said at the start jeez!!
12 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:50:26
13 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:51:30
14 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:51:36
Plenty of pace but no product, no confidence in the box. I'd rather see us give the opportunity to McAleny than waste a spot on this yoyo.
15 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:53:52
I think it's looking like that's what we'll have to accept this time round.
16 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:54:07
18 Posted 31/08/2016 at 18:56:45
20 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:01:58
21 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:10:35
22 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:12:32
Should've just paid some kid a fiver to dig out underperforming players on Fifa 16.
23 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:12:56
There has to be a reason why no-one at Newcastle, West Ham or Crystal Palace was sad to see Sissoko, Valencia or Bolasie leave.
24 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:13:33
(Clutching at straws!!)
25 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:13:56
26 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:14:52
A loan is the best way to go if we can't get what we want. Don't think we will be doing the £14.5m next year somehow though.
27 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:18:35
Marquee signing??? Bumbling Bill still in charge.
As The Who sing, "New boss just like the old boss!!!!"
28 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:23:44
You lot amaze me. Same whinging and bitching when we signed the lad from Villa.
Look at him now...
29 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:32:07
30 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:33:05
31 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:39:10
I'm happy with the business so far, but would rather we have a youngster on the bench than this waste of space
32 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:50:46
33 Posted 31/08/2016 at 19:54:51
Hardly an earth-shattering signing, but he's giving us pace up front. His game suffered at West Ham a team that love a bit of hoofball hardly suits his game now, does it??
The loan deal will cost us very little, and the window is still open. Dry your eyes for fucks sake!!
34 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:00:10
35 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:02:31
36 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:06:21
This is a work in progress not buy buy buy and we'll win the league this year round. This is a new project or if you like a marathon not a sprint get behind them and stop moaning all the time.
Do you trust Walsh and Koeman? ... I do!
37 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:13:26
38 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:14:26
I think Mr Walsh could be great at finding good players but he might not be so good at buying them, especially when they are expensive and wanted.
39 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:28:33
He is only coming in as back up. It makes sense.
40 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:33:42
West Ham never played to his strengths, and it's a no-brainer to get him in on loan, in my opinion.
41 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:34:33
42 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:35:24
43 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:40:36
44 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:49:25
My understanding is that Walsh only identifies targets, but is not involved in signing negotiations. Kenwright is still the man in charge of that.
45 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:51:31
46 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:54:07
"...not looking good for the new regime if this is the best they can do."
Were you off on your holidays and somehow missed us signing Koeman, Gana, Bolasie and Williams?? Stekelenburg is also proving to be a very good signing, for a nominal fee. Sissoko on the way.
Seriously, what the actual fuck are some of you on?!
47 Posted 31/08/2016 at 20:59:47
We've obviously had problems signing some of our primary targets, but as you say we have greatly increased the quality of the squad. This is probably our best window for 20 years. I'd have settled for it 6 weeks ago.
48 Posted 31/08/2016 at 21:05:19
Barry and Gana have been immense â€“ can you imagine the Sissoko from the Euros playing with those two behind him and then Funes Mori, Williams and Jagielka or Holgate behind them??!!
The team is starting to look formidable. I'd like another quality striker, as well as Valencia on loan.
49 Posted 31/08/2016 at 21:08:29
Now a centre forward please, and maybe Valencia would do in this squad.
50 Posted 31/08/2016 at 21:34:13
He is very lightweight though and seems like someone whose confidence has taken an almighty arse kicking. Kind of similar to Niasse in that way I guess falling over when receiving a pass, running the ball off the pitch when under no pressure and boomeranging shots back into his own ball bag etc. Â
The West Ham crowd turned on him a while back and whenever I've seen him it looks like he's trying way too hard to impress and do something special to win them over. A fresh start, a change of scenery, a chance to play in his favoured position, a coach who believes in him, an arm round the shoulder and a few encouraging words in his ear, and I can see him surprising people. Then again, if he goes to attempt a volley on his debut and twats two of his teeth out of his mouth with his own boot, with the result being that the crowd instantly write him off as a Fray Bentos footed fuckwit, then he'll probably flop. Hard.Â
If he does end up at Goodison he's going to need geeing up and the crowd fully behind him, not groaning at his every error and getting on his back from the off.Â
On loan, with nothing really to lose, he's worth a punt.
51 Posted 31/08/2016 at 21:42:50
52 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:38:04
53 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:41:56
54 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:42:42
55 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:43:23
56 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:44:59
57 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:47:55
Really can't understand how we couldn't get a decent quality striker in to challenge/support Lukaku! It's embarrassing!
Remy or Bony would've done fine!
Just hearing on SSN that Sissoko and his agent basically used us to force Spurs into upping their offer after telling us he wanted to sign then wouldn't answer Koeman's call, what a disgrace!
58 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:48:01
60 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:51:13
To be honest it seems nothing much has changed with Morshi coming in unless he redeems himself with concrete plans for a new stadium. Fair enough, the January transfer window is just a few months away and we can manage in most positions until then but it smacks of incompetence to leave us without any decent options up front except for Lukaku and still without a playmaker.
61 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:52:42
Window has been great in those we have got. Need real prospect of new stadium and more upmarket signings to tempt impressionable footballers from abroad, hence "2-year plan".
Being optimistic, best signing of window might be lad from Sheffield for just ٟmil. And Valencia to push Lukaku out of his lazy attitude.
62 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:53:54
63 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:55:02
Moshri has paid a lot to get RK and a new DoF, both of whom are highly respected in the game.
Are either, or both, going to stake their professional reputations on signings "bums" for the sake of it?
Look at the reaction on here when we signed the Aston Villa "failure" a few weeks ago.
Give the new signings a week or ten, to bed in, get to know the management team and their new playing colleagues.
Let the new management team take them in training and let them know how they want them to manage the games.
Let's see the results - then let's judge them.
OK - we couldn't get our first choices - but I don't think either RK or SW would make "desperation signings", just for the sake of it.
So , who we have brought in, were on the radar anyway.
Let's see how they work out.
After all, before last season , who had heard of Varney? And, of those who had, who rated him as a premiership striker?
66 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:58:58
He's the new Kone. :o
67 Posted 31/08/2016 at 23:59:48
Then we panic, and Sissoko and his agent use us to get a deal with Spurs. They can have him, not worth 㿊m.
We sign West Ham's 'Kone'. Nothing has changed. New owner, same crap.
We spent the Stones money. 𧴜m to spend, my arse.
68 Posted 31/08/2016 at 00:00:37
Why even Turin, Madrid, Paris and other major Cities have social ills yet players seem to have no problem joining clubs in those locations do they? Blame our lack of cash, expertise or just general lack of professionalism for failing to buy players but please don't use our geographical location as a factor because most of the players live far from the deprived areas of the city when and if they do sign for the club.
69 Posted 31/08/2016 at 00:03:16
Regarding Valencia, was he really played on the wings most of his time at West Ham? If so that's explain his poor goal scoring record there; was very impressed with him at the World Cup, so there is a player in there.
Lastly, it would have been nice to see a marquee midfielder come in, but rolling with Gana and Barry will do and we will get a chance to see if Tom Davies is for real which I think he will prove he is.
70 Posted 31/08/2016 at 00:04:14
71 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:04:23
Also I think were are going to have eleven new signings, for example with Mirallas losing 6 kgs (when was he ever fat?) as Ronald asked him too; Super Kev says he already is feeling the benefit. Ronald obviously will be fine tuning other players too.
Don't let's forget Ronald has only had the players for a short period, he will mould a side and make the players better. We can see already that we are fitter and better organised. People said we had a great squad under Martinez that just under achieved, can't see the latter happening now with the new regime.
Therefore I expect improvement in all the players to levels that my surprise us and of course make us a formidable team.
Onwards and upwards the Blues!
72 Posted 31/08/2016 at 00:07:08
73 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:10:27
Valencia - Hammers fans wanted him gone. Uninspiring.
Sissoko - Magpies fans disliked him and he then showed his true colours by turning his phone off on Big Ron. Screw him.
What happened to the Algerian lad?
Still, I'm content with the keeper; I think Williams is very solid; Bolassi is potentially very exciting; and Gueye looks terrific.
Just a pity about the anti climax tonight.
74 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:12:19
Let's be honest, this was a last minute desperation deal to save a bit of face. I hope the lad comes good but after Drenthe, Traore, Gardner, Atsu etc I'm not going to hold my breath.
75 Posted 31/08/2016 at 00:14:58
I can see why the lad chose spurs over us. Champions league, new stadium in a few years, and sense of going places. How the hell did we get too late on transfer evening to a player that was offered to us because no-one else wanted him. Played us like a small club.
76 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:17:36
We haven't really spent a penny though and 㿊m for Sissoko was never going to happen. In the long run we might have dodged a bullet with him but he was always going to choose Spurs over us even if he is supposedly an Arsenal fan.
What happened to Slimani, Brahimi? The lads we have got in have all started well but the goalkeeping appears to be only a temporary solution and we still have only three experienced centre halves, that was a disaster last season, you're one bad injury away from a crisis.
We need to get our business done earlier and unearth a few gems. I can't think that Koeman is happy right now.
77 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:18:39
78 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:22:06
I heard that Niasse's missus didn't fancy a return to Russia, hence he remains on our books.
79 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:23:49
This window has been a real reality check to just how far the club have fallen since the '80s. We are no longer one of the big boys. In those days Merseyside was the place to play, not London. And you just wouldn't have chosen Spurs over Everton.
80 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:25:35
81 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:25:56
Now is the time for patience, RK has made a solid start let's get behind the team and not let tonight dampen our belief, we've made some decent signings. Let's build on that.
82 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:28:21
86 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:28:40
The lad from Sheffield is the attacking version of Stones / Holgate.
We kept the better of the above two lads from Barnsley and got a fortune for the other.
Stek, Gueye, Williams and Bolasie are gems.
We've got Ronald Koeman.
Lukaku is about to find his goal-scoring boots.
We didn't spunk all our money on a couple of mercenaries with stinking attitudes.
What's not to love about all this?
Or, you know, this entire window was a shambolic disaster and we're doomed to decades more of mediocrity.
Only time will tell .
87 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:28:47
88 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:30:52
There are not a lot of really proven strikers available that you would say are going to be better than what we have. I'm not counting the likes of Niasse and Kone in that, although I have a suspicion that RK might turn the later around.
So they have had a couple of targets that have not come off this time. I for one am not concerned I am sure Ronald will cope with what he has got rather than panic buy.
Must be something about that name Sissoko, I seem to remember we lost out to the shite with someone with a similar name who also flopped.
89 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:31:10
To be fair, Looking at the whole window, I can't really be too hard on the club or manager, and am happy overall.
We've sold an admittedly good young player who sadly didn't want to stay with us, for very good money, released some of the bigger earners from the wage bill.
Stekelenburg I wasn't sure but he has done a brilliant job thus far... better than Tim Howard and Robles; tick.
Williams proper defender, future captain material; tick.
Gana just what we needed for absolute peanuts; big tick.
Bolasie hated him playing against us, hoping for some big things; undecided.
Valencia back up to Rom needed desperately as Kone often injured/crap and Geri/Mirallas are a different option, on loan with potential buy; feels like a tick to me.
I would have preferred a few more incomings, as I'm sure big Ron would have, but I think we're better equipped now than we were before the transfer window, and that's all we can hope for.
Let's give Koeman, Walsh and Moshiri more than one window before we rip the living piss out of them, ey?
90 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:35:46
No Denying it, this is not how any of us thought the window would close. We NEED to fly high all the way to January to get what we want in the next window or we will be in exactly the same position then.
ps: Sissoko is a twat.
91 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:36:11
I always liked the look of Valencia, and he's now one of three strikers on our books and decent competition for Lukaku.
All-in-all, our squad looks pretty healthy to me. Now we can concentrate on the football instead of the circus.
92 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:37:23
94 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:40:47
We clearly tried to buy other players, but various scenarios conspired against us.
I'm feeling very positive despite the misery on here! Times are changing, but it won't happen overnight.
95 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:40:53
96 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:44:23
97 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:48:32
Point taken though, we go with what we've got. Grin and bare it... The Everton way.
98 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:50:37
99 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:53:26
People are disappointed because we all expected so much more from this window for a number of reasons.
Firstly we have Moshiri and with him came talk of big transfer budget.
Secondary we were all aware that the TV money had increased a lot this year allowing teams to loosen the purse strings.
Third reason was shaving wages on over the hill players like Ossie, Hibo, Howard and Pienaar, freeing up around 𧶀,000 a week.
All the hype and we end up losing Stones, signing a 32-year-old as a replacement, bringing in a cheap keeper (granted he' done well in 4 matches), signing Bolasie as the marquee signing and bringing in a loan forward who's failed to bag double figures goal wise in over 50 games for West Ham.
Very disappointing imo.
100 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:55:11
Not ready to end it all because of a less than exciting window. We're a better squad after, than we were before, so while I'm not euphoric, I'm satisfied.
I got the impression that a lot of players that we fancied, did not fancy coming to an eleventh place club. We'll do better in January.
101 Posted 01/09/2016 at 00:55:46
102 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:04:04
So year after year we have all waited and waited for this great club to get back on its feet. And it looked like it was happening when a certain David Moyes came on the scene. But we know how that ended.
Then Roberto came along, and you know the story. So for us to revert back to baby steps is an insult to this great football institution. I keep hoping that I will be around to see Everton not just walking again, but running around faster than Usain Bolt.
103 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:20:30
A good manager and board should be able to sell our club to the vast majority of players, apart from those dead set on a nicer climate / capital city lifestyle.
104 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:21:21
105 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:35:05
106 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:40:46
We haven't won anything or been in the European Cup (CL now) in the lifetime of todays footballers. We're not a big name club to anyone other than those old enough to remember.
Yes, we have money, but we don't hold any prestige in modern football for those reasons. I just think people need to be more realistic in their approach to our standing in the game at the moment.
We're in a stronger position now than we have been for years, so I personally see things in a positive light as a result.
Williams is 32, but a much better defender than John Stones. Gana is a class act, Bolasie can be a world beater (and sometimes a panel beater), and Valencia has some talent so suits us as a backup forward.
Football isn't always about buying the big names, it's about blend and player chemistry. If you want evidence, you only have to look at our team from the 80's to realise that â€“ so many Evertonians look at our history as the yard-stick, but the modern day reality is that history is meaningless and we're not a top team as things stand.
Teams like Spurs and Leicester have Champions League football to offer, so players are more likely to go there over us â€“ they aren't going to look at Everton and say, "Oh they have a rich history, I really want to play for them". That only matters to us supporters.
107 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:45:18
108 Posted 01/09/2016 at 01:57:39
Frank #10 â€“ yes, we are bigger club than West Ham, as far as I am concerned and I am sure lots of other Evertonians would agree with me. When's the last time they won anything? Maybe when those great players you mentioned played, but England had a good team then too so I guess they have won as much as England has since then. And to compare Valencia to these 3 greats â€“ you're nuts. Can't foresee a Valencia stand at their new stadium anytime soon.
I hope you know what you're doing, RK. I want to have faith but today I got the cold slap of reality that we are still the same old Everton â€“ a day late and a dollar short
109 Posted 01/09/2016 at 02:01:59
I agree with your logic in regards to our history not holding a lot of sway with players now a days, but I'm not sure about your comment about us now being a club with money.
Also Man City did spend and become big over night, they done it by buying big name players on huge wages to get themselves recognised as the real deal.
They got Robinho on the first day, it basically had the world sit up and notice they weren't messing about.
It was something like the equivalent of us buying Isco today, and following it up with other big deals.
We are nowhere near that level, players and agents get a feel of what's really going on at a club, and Moshiri has had long enough to convince players of his project.
I'm not expecting a Man City transformation, clearly that's never happening, but money talks in the world of football, and if we had big bucks then we would now have big names at the club.
110 Posted 01/09/2016 at 02:40:48
Why didn't we get Indi on loan seeing as Southampton and Sunderland wouldn't do business?
Would West Ham let this player go if he was any good considering the injuries they have?
We are still waiting till the last minute to bring players in to save a few Bob.
The transfers we have made were only done because of the Stones money, if McCarthy had gone then possibly another player would have come in.
If Lukaku gets injured we are stuffed.
Moshiri and his mythical war chest of a 𧴜 million was just that, a myth.
112 Posted 01/09/2016 at 02:54:53
He does have challenges as a lone striker, specially against a well trained defense. Ashley Williams type of defenders that hold their ground usually win out. He will need people to spoon feed him at times. West Ham's midfield isn't as talented as Everton so he may enjoy life with us. He relies on players like Valencia of Manure, when on International Duty, so playing at a club like ours with better Wingbacks and Wingers might go a ways to rekindle the fire.
I think this is a good move. If it doesn't work, it's a loan. If it works, then we get first dibs at a serviceable backup at the club.
113 Posted 01/09/2016 at 02:59:15
Not the top drawer striker many were hoping for, but let's see what RK can do with him before discounting him without first kicking a ball for us.
I'll certainly be watching Ecuador-Brazil tomorrow with greater interest.
114 Posted 01/09/2016 at 03:00:54
What about the money it costs to pay the new lads Williams, Bolasie, Gana, Stekelenburg and Valencia each week?
What about the $14 million we have lost on Niasse plus his $45k wages over 4 years = $9.3 million, $23 million gone.
$10 million Roberto payout.
It all adds up.
Windows closed we did pretty good business to be fair, could have done with a world class striker/play maker but no one is interested in EFC at the mo. Lets get to January in the top 6 and then we can start to temp the big fish for the final push.
Give Valencia a chance before you write him off, eh.
115 Posted 01/09/2016 at 03:08:33
116 Posted 01/09/2016 at 03:10:37
117 Posted 01/09/2016 at 03:42:19
Firstly I defumed a little when I realised that Even though Martinez is still in a job. It's not with us. Instead we have a pragmatic manager, with an illustrious playing career at the very highest level. We are unbeaten. We are fourth. We are above Liverpool.
I realised we had sold a player who didn't want to be here any more, and for a tidy profit. Now it's my belief that John Stones will captain England, he will in my opinion be world class (But I also think that, if Moshiri's wedge is real, and we get a ground, we could be in a position to buy him back if we need dream big, I say.)
We got Ashley Williams in... I thought this as I made a brew... not a worldie, but a bloody good defender, and let's be honest, we need defenders more than we need Cruyff turns in our own box at the moment. Williams is not a yard dog, he can play a bit, and he likes to talk it's nice to hear him marshal the defence as we were short on leaders last season.
This was Defume Part Two, and at this point I took the Moussa Sissoko voodoo doll out of the blender, and started picking up the pieces of my shattered deadline day dreams.
Stekelenburg's not been too bad, and ٥m is a huge loan free for Capitano Forfora (genuinely the Italian for Captain Dandruff . Stekelenburg's played in some big games, the boss knows him, and he's already saved us points. To be fair, even if we'd signed a keeper, dropping Stekelnebur would be very bad form. Hmmm I thought as I cleaned up the tissues from around my couch, I wish we'd have gone for Martins Indi (a combination of Natalie Sawyer and a shit transfer window meant that I had in fact used a lot of tissues was my second thought, swiftly followed by urggghh, I should wash my hands!) then I thought. Mason bloody Holgate though... So yeah, sod Bruno, give the lad a chance, he's looked sharp. Plus, Marko Arnautovic might still be in his pocket, and if so, would he count as a signing too?
Then I had a mini fume relapse: I remembered how much we paid for Bolasie... hmmm, then I thought, do you know what, Jordan Ibe was 㾻m, Sissoko was 㿊m, I'd rather have Bolasie than Sissoko, and I'd rather have shingles than Jordan Ibe. The lad's one of us now, and he's firing crosses into Rom, not Jason Puncheon, so that's okay too.
I had a ciggy, and then I remembered McGeady went to PNE. So that cancelled out my Niasse-based negativity.
Then I remembered Gana. Then I remembered we bought a player who cost Villa ٧m, for ٥m... then I chuckled. Then I remembered Sissoko was 㿊m, 㾺m more than Spurs wanted to initially pay. That's two Ganas. Then I chuckled more.
Then I thought, we kept Rom too. And we got cover in. Then I pondered over the question: Do I want a West Ham cast-off? Then I remembered West Ham are owned by a porn baron and a plazzy gangster and a bird off The Apprentice, and that they have Andy Carroll on their books and as such, them rating a player is possibly not the best test.
I trust Koeman thus far, bit gutted Slimani didn't sign The fume-o-metre had a wobble. It stabilised when I realised we aren't going to sign the Valencia lad unless he is excellent. If he is, then good... sign him... if not, pie him off. Easy.
I was frustrated we didn't get more in, but hey, we could have paid serious cash for our very own roque Santa Cruz type signings. We didn't. It could be worse...
118 Posted 01/09/2016 at 03:44:44
I think RK has tightened up the defending and we created enough chances to have beaten Stoke and Spurs with wider margins. I think this team can now game manage a single goal lead. I'm more optimistic than I was a year ago having to put up with the Martinez shite. If we are thereabouts come January, perhaps another one or two players may be more inclined to come to Everton.
119 Posted 01/09/2016 at 03:59:12
Later on, when the deal was finalized, he responded slightly pissed off. Not because they lost a good player, but due to it only really leaving one fit forward at the club, Zaza. Not really thought of highly at the club if they are willing to let him go, even though they have two forward players out injured, one long term and the other a perennial crock.
Dave Lynch @28, the difference between Gueye and Valencia is that Villa fans were sad to see him go as he was their best player. West Ham fans are rejoicing.
120 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:05:45
Guys, get behind him and give him a chance. In my opinion, he will prove many of the doubters on here wrong.
121 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:23:44
Ciaràn McGlone 97 can you please show me chapter and verse not 2nd or 3rd or 4th speak where our manager actually said this as you claim 'Koeman, by his own admission, has failed to get the players he said he needed'.
122 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:31:34
I concur. Watched Ecuador in Copa America. No great shakes but a solid back line and the two Valencias wreaking havoc on the counter attack. Enner would be awful under RM with the slow passing game. Under RK he might be great. No pissing about at the back, get it out quick and let him run. Similar with Bolasie and Mirallas. Shock and awe attack not slow build up stuff.
Seems like RK likes these types so he should fit in well. Will he be a starter? Probably not but he's a good option of the bench and offers something different to Kone who I actually like but accept that his injuries and goals ratio are a problem.
I like Kone in that he's an intelligent player, he reads the game. Just a shame the mind is willing but the flesh is weak.
123 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:33:25
He's so quality that the club let him go despite being in the midst of an injury crisis. He's so good that he's scored about a third the number of goals in his time at that club as Lukaku scored last season alone. Yeah, quality. I'm surprised Arsenal didn't come in for him.
124 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:37:28
As for these I want Champions League, bloody well earn it by getting your new club into it, instead of having it handed on a plate.
125 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:47:23
After being critical of Fulham's 4th-choice keeper, I'm thinking that having a look first might be the best course.
126 Posted 01/09/2016 at 04:52:15
127 Posted 01/09/2016 at 05:34:36
1) We are not in Europe, but have a good first 11 on paper. To get the sort of players we want to improve this squad we are inevitably competing with such teams.
2) Everyone in the Premier League can offer big money. Throwing a few quid at it doesn't have the impact it would have done 5-6 years ago when City were at it (albeit on a bigger scale).
3) Koeman and Walsh have been playing catch up all summer. Martinez probably was devising his plan for summer from February onwards. These pair come in in June. Other clubs had months on us. Not surprising that the players we bought were all ex-Leicester targets.
4) Bad luck and naivety Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I think the club has to be a bit more savvy though with the pitfalls on foreign players. Gabbiadini does not have the record to warrant waiting a week to buy him. We should have moved on earlier. In the meantime we have lost out on a chance at Bony. (I imagine he would be somewhere on the list if not at the top. Higher than Valencia though.) Similarly with the Algerian lad, we have been chasing a loser due to the third party ownership evidently.
Let's not chastise Walsh in particular yet. Today his recruitment plan for the next window starts. Hopefully a bit more focused than the one we have gone through now. In the meantime I have confidence that the squad is good enough to push on. We are heavily reliant on Lukaku still, but that is a risk we will have to live with.
128 Posted 01/09/2016 at 05:41:43
130 Posted 01/09/2016 at 06:15:03
I live in Latvia now so I went to bed a few hours before the window closed, with the headlines saying that we had pretty much bagged Sissoko (who was world class in the Euros and made Pogba look ordinary).
I woke up this morning like a kid on Christmas day, all excited and expecting it to be confirmed and added to with another good signing.
But instead, Spurs wiped our eye and we have bought nobody else. It's like we're back to where we were when we had no money.
I'm sure I don't speak for the rest of you, but Moshiri should have had a fallback offer to ensure we nuked Spurs' offer.
Same with the Brahimi bid.
Essentially, we are not in the CL or the Europa League so clearly, we're not a big draw. Accordingly, we have to pay over the odds just to catch up. Man City did back in the day when they were trying to get where they are today.
We can only hope this will have proven a big lesson for Moshiri, Koeman, et al. And that Sissoko turns out to keep his form only for France.
In the meantime, let's hope this horrible end to a spectacularly unsuccessful transfer window doesn't impact too badly on Koeman's plans and the team's progress.
And let's also hope the club makes sure to learn from this debacle come the next window.
131 Posted 01/09/2016 at 06:34:34
Come on lads, let's give him a chance. In Ronald I trust. I think he knows who he wants and he seems very shrewd at not being drawn into bidding wars.
Sissoko did not want to play for us, well jog on! Two good games at the Euros and he's a genius. I think the Premier League is getting out of control. Fair play to us for not being jerked around.
132 Posted 01/09/2016 at 06:55:10
Soon after, I was gobsmacked to hear Valencia had signed for West Ham. I thought at the time he was unsuited to the Hammers' style of play and they have never really utilised his skills and undoubted speed and ability.
We may just find he fits well with Koeman's style and attacking set-up so let's not be too quick to judge. He also looked sharp playing for Ecuador in the recent Copa America, so maybe at West Ham he was in a similar situation with Bilic as Mirallas was under Martinez last season.
We've seen more of the old Mirallas in a few weeks under Koeman so let's hope he can conjure up a similar reaction from Enner Valencia. Good players don't become bad ones overnight so give the guy a chance. He might just surprise a few of you doubters.
133 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:05:02
134 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:11:38
135 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:24:27
It's very hard to get a top quality back-up striker. You are buying someone who has to be prepared to play second fiddle to Lukaku. We aren't going to play with 2 up top.
Many are wondering why we didn't go for Bony but it's because he isn't an effective player coming off the bench. Valencia has pace and can cause damage late on.
I was frustrated last night but I think it's been a productive summer. Hopefully Valencia will find a new lease of life with us. He's still young and could really kick on in the right environment.
136 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:27:17
We got: a cracking new manager and coaching team, a well respected chief scout, a defensive midfielder at a steal, a pacey winger, a solid loan and a goalkeeper that looks like he can hold his own at least to buy us time.
Sissoko didn't excite me for that money. He would've been our record signing for fucks sake. There's better out there for that and I'd rather that was used toward the docks site.
Koeman says 2 years to build a team; let's give him that.
137 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:29:37
I noticed that Kone is playing more direct and running at defenders. Last term we scored lots of goals but leaked just as many. I think RK has tightened up the defending and we created enough chances to have beaten Stoke and Spurs with wider margins.
I think this team can now game manage a single goal lead. I'm more optimistic than I was a year ago having to put up with the Martinez shite. If we are there abouts come January perhaps another one or two players may be more inclined to come to Everton.
138 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:32:35
A keeper who will ultimately be our second choice but is an improvement on previous incumbents, a striker on loan for a season who wants to impress and a couple of youngsters for the future. It would have been unrealistic to introduce any more players without upsetting the squad dynamics and it would seem we have dodged a bullet in Sissoko.
Roll on the January window in 17 weeks!
139 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:53:59
Gueye, Stekelenburg, Williams, Bolassie & Valencia are a more exciting set of transfers than we've had in years and you lot still moan. On top of that, we've got a great coaching team in place along with a guy who has shown what he can with time as a Director of Football.
Seriously, get some perspective lads.
140 Posted 01/09/2016 at 07:55:21
We could have tried to get Sissoko earlier ditto Gabbiadini and Brahimi. Who knows the demands from clubs/agents that prevented completion.
Koeman was brought in late in the summer, and Walsh later still. The squad already looks fitter and we have managed to get some of our youngsters out on loan and offload some older players.
Gueye looks great, as does the keeper, and Bolasie and Valencia will add pace and trickery to our forward line. It would have been good to see a quality goal machine to give Rom some competition and a Mata/Fabregas type for the midfield.
By January the whole project will be established and potential targets will be able to see what we are aiming at. I am confident that we will be in a handy position and be able to attract some better players by then.
Incidentally, whenever I have watched Valencia, I have been impressed with him so don't vent your spleen on him just because we missed out on other targets. This leaves us in a better place than this time last year.
141 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:01:04
Time to stop pretending things have changed significantly.
Readjusting my expectations not the worst window in recent times and we have a better team.
142 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:02:31
143 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:06:20
Hope I am wrong.
144 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:07:18
Can you imagine if Spurs hadn't come in for Sissoko? We'd have spent 㿊m on a player who'd conned us to believing he wanted to play for us. We dodged a bullet there.
Valencia is quick, works hard (the main complaint from the Lukaku moaners) and made a good start to the EPL. He was then played in midfield out of position. He's no Niasse.
As for Bony, he was shit at Man City and appears less mobile than Lukaku.
145 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:09:32
If you can't buy quality then don't spend the cash (remember how we slated United for Fellaini @ £27M when Fellaini + Baines were being talked about at £24M?!). Keep the cash, keep the good start to the season going, get the stadium, have a look in the next window (when Portuguese sides hopefully will cop on...).
Management has done okay. The only thing I'd have done differently was pull out of Sissoko earlier, the failure to land was bad PR. Bill hasn't brought us tonnes of success but at least he didn't buy Carroll for £30M or Balotelli for £16M..
146 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:19:57
Is that even possible?
147 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:23:37
I would rather have players at Everton who want to be at the club. Sissoko obviously wasn't keen to be here whereas McAleny is.
I would like him to have his chance to see what he can do in our first team. I don't know much about him but others on here have posted that he is a decent player.
148 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:32:53
149 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:33:34
150 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:51:05
The dissapointing thing is that this Steve Walsh is supposed to be finding unknown gems with the right mind-set, and we end up getting punk'd by a sack of shit who is known to all of us. Great work, Walsh.
151 Posted 01/09/2016 at 08:57:59
I wanted him gone in the summer due to his gobby dad/agent and poor attitude towards us, now I hope and pray he can stay fit and perform as if he doesn't then I don't see a top 6 finish.
153 Posted 01/09/2016 at 09:10:55
154 Posted 01/09/2016 at 09:14:43
155 Posted 01/09/2016 at 09:16:16
I know the fees being paid today are crazy but that one is beyond belief for me, a full-time mercenary who just chased the money with no regard for any club he was going to, happy to have missed him.
156 Posted 01/09/2016 at 09:20:36
In what way is any of this Walsh's fault? If he identifies players, and there have been several we have either been linked with or tried to sign, but if we don't manage to sign them then that, surely, is the fault of the negotiating team. Not Walsh, his scouting of Gana may yet prove to be the best signing of the transfer window. Him for ٥m of mercenary Sissoko for 㿊m? I know who I prefer.
Maybe we should aim our ire at the right people. I doubt if Koeman is impressed with any of this fiasco.
157 Posted 01/09/2016 at 09:24:42
He's got pace and he's a handful.
He's international record is pretty good!
He's better than Kone and might give lakaku some competition.
158 Posted 01/09/2016 at 09:31:16
We, imo, dodged a bullet by Spurs getting Sissoko and brought in a player on loan who, if I remember correctly started last season on fire till he got injured. As others have said, most people were completely underwhelmed with Gana and look at him now. I'm actually quite happy with what we've got now and am glad we didn't spend money on players who would just be here to.pick up a fat wedge .Sissoko imo being that kind of player. It will take a while and good performances on the field for top players to want to come here. It will come. And for those quoting Citeh as splashing the cash to get Robinho when they first got money,well firstly there was only the chavs then who had that sort of money, everyone has lots of cash now so it's so much harder to entice purely for money .also he hardly set the world alight either typical player who went for the money. Performed in probably couple of games a season.
God knows what some people will think if we actually become successful they will have fuck all to moan about!! After 3 utterly dire years with the idiot Martinez we finally have some light at the end of that long dark tunnel. Stop fucking moaning about who we haven't signed and start supporting who we have got.
160 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:28:48
I really think we were only one central midfielder and one goalkeeper short. Valencia is a decent player and, as has been pointed out several times, Gana does look awesome.
Probably more annoyed at us being made to look like dummies than the transfer itself.
161 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:30:17
162 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:38:39
We need a forward who can score goals, either with Lukaku or on their own... as Lukaku appears to have lost it: just 2 goals in half a season!?!?
163 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:42:06
In time, yes, we could become a force with Moshiri, but right now we're just as far away from success as we have been for the past 20 years, with a transfer window with a net spend of practically zero, despite the apparent 'anxious' owner and his funds.
165 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:46:59
It will be really interesting to see what/ if our coaching team can help bring forward/ develop this lad's undoubted talent!!! Great loan, nothing lost, just a clever loan deal, well done, Ronald!
166 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:51:33
Wouldn't be so sure about that, Dave.
167 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:56:12
When you look at the transfers that have gone through, are there that many that you think we should have got him. 3 of our targets stayed put at their clubs, including Kone.
I think the lack of strikers out there willing to move was our biggest problem and if you think how we got Rom in the first place then we're never gonna sign a top striker at the moment with us not being in Europe or winning cups. Slimani came to Leicester as they are champions and are in the Champions League and Mahrez is there as a team mate. Bony is a lazy shite who scores less than Rom. Maybe Geri playing in behind Rom could be the answer. Sissoko will struggle to get into the Spurs side and could end up losing his place in the French team.
RK knows that to rebuild a team you start at the back and make them hard to score against and I think he has already made huge strides in that direction.
If we can get Bolasie and Geri scoring like KM then we'll be doing just fine. Good to read some of the more sensible posts though where people realise we won't just buy crazy for the sake of it or be held to ransom.
168 Posted 01/09/2016 at 10:58:20
169 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:02:22
It highlights his 16 goals in 29 Internationals and 18 in 23 for Pachuca in 2013-14 but omits to mention 8 in 54 for WHU... or indeed 27 in 130 for his first club, Emelec!
170 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:03:30
171 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:08:32
172 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:11:59
I remember he looked decent during the World Cup but admittedly things haven't gone too well for him whilst with the bubble blowing bellends.
I say give the lad a chance and get behind him. I completely trust RK and SW and if they think the lad can offer us something I for one am inclined to believe them.
At the end of the day, our squad is much stronger than it was last season and I'm very confident we will make great strides between now and January when we can all get in a flap again!
173 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:23:17
174 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:31:46
1. Walsh identifies good players.
2. Koeman decides which ones he wants.
3. The money men then attempt to buy or loan them.
In the cases of Perez, Witsel, Brahimi, Ghezzal, Sissoko et al steps 1 and 2 proceeded smoothly. Step 3 went west because of twattish agents (Sissoko), twattish vendors (Brahimi) or more attractive options (Perez).
Blaming Walsh is wide of the mark.
175 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:53:10
Are we in a better position than we were only 3 months ago, totally, its poles apart. We have brought in a decent keeper, strong centre half, what looks to be a great defensive mid, pace and power in Bolassie and and additional front man on loan. We also shipped out McGeady.
The reason we feel so disappointed is that we finally thought we have the dosh, we can buy these players, but o fuck I forget, we've been shit for the last 2 seasons (Maybe 30 seasons) so nobody wants to come to us, YET that is.
When can somebody tell me the last time we were even negotiating for the Brahimi's, Perez, Witzel's or Sissokos, a long bloody time I can tell you. BTW I'm so glad we don't get Sissoko, we have Bolassie, Kev, Del Boy & Lennon. We don't need a big time Charlie who loves Arsenal one minute, Everton the next and then signs for Spurs.
We don't have Champions league footy to offer either and while its clear we have money we wont pay over the odds which is fine by me.
Could we have done things better in the window, yes maybe we could but this is also Moshiri's first stab at this as he was only on the board at Arsenal and had fuck all imput.
Look my general point is things are on the up. We live in a society now that everything needs to be instant and people have no patience. Converting Everton to a top 4-6 Team will take some time, lets be patient and trust the structures Moshiri has put in place. We have just had our best start to the league in years BTW, lets take some deep breaths and enjoy it.
176 Posted 01/09/2016 at 11:56:23
177 Posted 01/09/2016 at 12:15:46
178 Posted 01/09/2016 at 12:24:51
After 20 years of treading water under Kenwright all I have wished for now is steady progress year on year and we are off to a good start.
179 Posted 01/09/2016 at 12:28:10
May I ask - have you ever lived in Neston? I only ask because my next-door neighbour there had the same name as you and he was a Blue if I recall correctly.
180 Posted 01/09/2016 at 12:31:04
I'm happy to bide my time. We've waited 21 years, another 1 or 2??! Easy.
183 Posted 01/09/2016 at 12:47:28
Sissoko is a mercenary, will no doubt have some great games for Spurs but will be few an far between. I think he would have hindered Barkley's development as could see Sissoko, Ross, Gana and Barry all playing and where would it leave youngsters like Davies and Besic.
Seriously think Holgate has dampened the need for a new defender, great breakthrough. The only player I wish we would have had concrete interest in was James Rodriguez, however unrealistic, even 㾶million for a one-season loan, would have loved to have seen that. IRWT
184 Posted 01/09/2016 at 12:56:13
Happy with all the other window signings. All have improved on our best. We still need player additions for sure but we do now at least have some additional forward cover in Valencia (I think he may prove a shrewd gamble for a modest outlay) and I am content for us to wait until January and the Summer for more signings that genuinely improve the best 11 we have now.
Niasse is good example of rushing in for a player just for the sake of being seen to spend and ending up with a very poor purchase. Like to see Brahimi here in the New Year though!!!
185 Posted 01/09/2016 at 13:02:06
Nobody sells first-eleven players at 㾺m. That's a Steven Naismith type of signing.
186 Posted 01/09/2016 at 13:32:19
I hope and believe though that he sees success on the field being paramount to his ambition. As others say, it'll not be done in one window though.
187 Posted 01/09/2016 at 13:34:38
189 Posted 01/09/2016 at 13:56:09
190 Posted 01/09/2016 at 14:04:37
191 Posted 01/09/2016 at 14:05:33
I hope it works out, but if it doesn't we send him back and we're out his wages and loan fee, and we move on. Seems like a relatively low risk move to me, and he's got something to prove.
Unfortunately, Porto's group looks relatively easy so they might fancy a run in the Champions League; if they crash and burn, which seems unlikely, Brahimi might be a January option again, but I imagine we'd want it done before the AfNC and at a lower price than we offered now.
192 Posted 01/09/2016 at 14:15:21
193 Posted 01/09/2016 at 15:01:18
The lad can score a goal in every two games in international football; that is a good sign.
194 Posted 01/09/2016 at 15:04:26
I am sure we will get the players we want during the January window.
195 Posted 01/09/2016 at 15:15:57
How can you call people on here amateurs? Supporters of 10, 20, 30 years and more, some who have played the game themselves, so we are not to be trusted in our opinions? But you trusted Martinez did you? He worked out well didn't he?
If Kenwright had listened to the people on here for the last few years, we would not have had to put up with the last two seasons of embarrassment.
Amateurs? I don't think so.
196 Posted 01/09/2016 at 15:37:05
I took much stick at the time from the majority of fans on here (many no doubt with decades of 'experience') who thought Martinez would be great for us. We'll say no more hey.
It seems quite ironic that you bring up the clown as a way to counter my view. He just reinforces my point.
I'll take Koeman and Walsh's judgement any day, I trust them based on the hard evidence of their successful past. It's no guarantee of course for a the future, but they have been successful, unlike Martinez who fluked a cup (thanks to us too).
197 Posted 01/09/2016 at 15:41:06
On the positive side really glad we didn't get Sissoko. I don't think there is a single fan out there who wanted him if we're being honest.
198 Posted 01/09/2016 at 15:51:07
With Rom's strength and Valencia's speed, it's not a bad combo. I am glad though that Sissoko went to Spirs instead. Never liked him. Last season, he just stopped playing for NUFC during the relegation battles.
199 Posted 01/09/2016 at 16:21:12
I also a agree with you about Sissoko, we dodged a bullet there. Heard Spurs fans moaning on the radio today about their terrible transfer window, ha ha!
200 Posted 01/09/2016 at 16:28:12
201 Posted 01/09/2016 at 16:32:24
202 Posted 01/09/2016 at 16:33:57
I don't believe for 1 minute Koeman was desperately pressing the "bid now" button, jewelled away from deals because players were either a) mercenary fuckwits or b) grossly overpriced by chance clubs like Porto. Just because he had nonresident mean you have to throw it out of the Window.
I am more than happy with the strengthening of our squad, which don't forget is more or less the same as last season and described as the best of a generation but managed by a total spazzwit.
203 Posted 01/09/2016 at 17:24:15
204 Posted 01/09/2016 at 18:24:06
I hope RK isn't feeling like us today.
Not happy at all.
205 Posted 01/09/2016 at 19:39:15
207 Posted 01/09/2016 at 20:41:21
208 Posted 01/09/2016 at 21:07:00
I've supported Everton all my footballing life, and no matter who is in charge, who we have bought it's our club, so I'll support them 100%, Coyb.
209 Posted 01/09/2016 at 21:12:02
210 Posted 01/09/2016 at 21:18:58
'It seems quite ironic that you bring up the clown as a way to counter my view. He just reinforces my point.'
That reinforces my view too dosn't it? That just because a so-called pro is paid vast amounts to manage a club doesn't mean he knows what he's doing. I'm sure you would have managed Everton much more successfully than Martinez did.
211 Posted 01/09/2016 at 21:36:35
212 Posted 01/09/2016 at 22:12:12
213 Posted 02/09/2016 at 10:18:26
214 Posted 03/09/2016 at 18:16:28
I have read some great pertinent thought-provoking comments, as I would expect on TW.
Regarding why we didn't sign so and so? How does anyone on TW know what the club tried? It's not just making a high bid, the club but the player has to agree also.
Right now, EFC are a side and club in transition, and for a player from abroad we are a leap in the dark. All our signings so far have been from the EPL more or less and know about us and our manager.
No new players, unless they are out of contract, will be arriving. I think this will be a good thing. I honestly don't think our new manager and our new scouting staff have really had time to properly assess what we have.
A new fitness regime and a new style of play tales time to adjust to. The players as a whole know that they will not be leaving this week. That doesn't mean they won't be leaving at all but they have four months before the next window and have plenty of time to prove themselves. They will all become fitter. I think we will all be surprised who steps up to the mark.
Our new scouting staff will have four months to find the type of players we want for the style of football we will be playing by December after they were recruited to unearth cheap gems, not Pogbas.
So!!! Let's calm down, nothing can be changed. Koeman reminds me lot of Harry Catterick. Alan Ball said "Once you've been touched..." Ronald has only been here a short time but I bet he's been touched, he's nobody's fool and he's probably thinking... Wow!!
So lets's all fasten our seatbelts and enjoy the ride
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