Funes Mori should replace Messi as Argentina captain

Tuesday 1 November 2016  19 Comments  [Jump to last]

Lionel Messi lacks the traits of a strong leader and should be replaced as Argentina captain by Ramiro Funes Mori, says Daniel Passarella.

"I think Argentina already have a great leader, which is Ramiro Funes Mori. He should be the captain."

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Matt Ostnes
1 Posted 01/11/2016 at 12:10:47
Daniel Passarella, one of the best defenders in history according to Fifa, and the Argentinean captain of the '78 World Cup, said that Messi should not be the captain of the National Team.

He said Messi is the best player but lacks of leadership and (I quoted from the Spanish): "Argentina has one great leader that can provide leadership to the team, and that player is Ramiro Funes Mori, he should be the captain of the team".

Truly big words for a man that in Argentina is know as "the Kaiser" and "The big captain".

Mark Riding
2 Posted 01/11/2016 at 17:11:11
It's November 1st... Not April 1st right ?
Jim Hardin
3 Posted 01/11/2016 at 17:16:43
Based upon that, I am writing in Ramiro Funes Mori for President, even if he isn't technically eligible. If he can lead Argentina's soccer team, he can certainly lead the USA. Plus the election cycle doesn't interfere with the actual World Cup!
Jay Harris
4 Posted 01/11/2016 at 17:40:41
Jim,

My 3-month-old grandson would be a better candidate than the current two favourites.

Roger Helm
5 Posted 01/11/2016 at 17:57:21
I would prefer him to Jags in our team. He can't pass very well but he is a good stopper and tall enough to be commanding in the air. He is also a goal threat at the other end. I like Jags but to me he seems too similar to Wiliams, without the leadership qualities.
John Daley
6 Posted 01/11/2016 at 18:37:55
A great leader? Haven't seen any sign of such a quality in his Everton appearances so far. Unless we're confusing 'leadership' with pantomime passion. Like trying to pump the crowd up after putting it out for a corner or patting the badge after you've just put your team further in the shit by stupidly getting sent off.
Anthony Dwyer
7 Posted 01/11/2016 at 19:09:58
Fuck me, our fans ripping into our players again, is it!

Funes Mori has come to us from another continent, not just another country, he's looked better than many defenders who have moved clubs for big money of late (namily Mangala, Loveren, Otimendi, Stones) plus he's the best header of the ball in our squad.

The lad plays all the time for Argentina whilst our other international centre-halves play for Wales and England, both of whom wouldn't get a kick of the ball v Argentina, and he's much younger than the pair of them.

In his last outing, we kept one of our very few clean sheets this season, and he has been a true professional in waiting out his chance!

Surely even us Everton fans can see some quality's in all that!

Funes Mori will eventually get tired of being on our bench and underappreciated, hr will move to a club in Spain and then onto a top top club, similar to Mustafi and Materazzi.

Mark Riding
8 Posted 01/11/2016 at 19:14:43
Anthony (#7). I see your point, but I guess most see him celebrating getting sent off against Liverpool and then Jags being forced to play whilst injured in some big games as relevant in the "should Funes Mori be a skipper" debate. To add, I actually like Funes Mori, by the way...
John Daley
9 Posted 01/11/2016 at 20:31:31
Anthony,

Whether he's looked better than some other defenders someone else signed, or whether he's the best header of a ball (wasn't ''headerer" the psycho bitch who moved in with Bridget Fonda in Single White Female and hoofed a puppy out the window?) amongst our back four, or a bit younger than the others, is neither here nor there.

When listing his qualities, you omitted to mention him being a leader of men. Does that mean you actually think he's a bit of a 'keep quiet' quilt, or do you believe it should be so glaringly obvious to all that he's "a great leader" that you didn't deem it necessary to even mention it?

Just wondered, like. Seeing as though that's the subject under discussion and the statement being disagreed with by some.

Chris Gould
10 Posted 01/11/2016 at 20:46:22
So if he does become captain of Argentina, we'd have three international captains in our defence. Can't think of any other team that can boast that. Not that it's necessarily worth boasting about.

Interesting though.

Anthony Dwyer
11 Posted 01/11/2016 at 22:03:40
John Daley,

I think the fact he's shown such promise despite coming straight into the Premier League from Argentina, plus the fact he's been willing to bide his time for a shot in the first team, plus been willing to play left-back in the cup game, shows he has characteristics of a leader!

A lot of my initial points were not made to fully divulge in the current debate, they were more made to answer those who decided to simply abuse Funes Mori for no particular reason.

Yes, he made a mistake in the derby, but didn't our own captain just give two pathetic penalties away in a game to Man City, does that seem like a leader?

Didn't Beckham get sent off vs Argentina? Did that look like someone who would go onto lead our country?

Hasn't Messi just retired after missing a deciding penalty in a Copa America Final?

Didn't John Terry do the same in a Champions League Final?

Didn't the brilliant Zidane get sent off in a World Cup Final?

My point is, does Funes Mori's whole Everton career have to be judged on a minute of madness in a derby defeat???

Alan McGuffog
12 Posted 01/11/2016 at 22:24:46
You might think that Argentina would send people over here so as to mould the national side into a team playing the Everton way?
John Daley
13 Posted 02/11/2016 at 00:56:31
Moving to another country, to a more prestigious league and an absolutely bumper pay rise.

Being deposed as first choice centre back and 'biding his time' (like he had a choice?) for two and a bit months. Actually, hang on. Didn't he state at the beginning of October he would have to look to leave Everton if he didn't start getting more game time. Correction: Biding his time for one and a half months.

"Willing to play left back in the cup" (can you imagine Koeman's face if he turned round and said "Fucking no chance gaffer. I'm not doing that. Funes Mori is a central defender or he's on the bench with his dick in his hand. The choice is yours. Hurry up and make it. Argentinian International here for fuck's sake. Bit of respect, Ron").

How do any of the above announce a leader in the making, Anthony? I don't see it at all. Just as I didn't see anyone "ripping" him on this thread when you decided to rush to his defence.

Anthony Dwyer
14 Posted 02/11/2016 at 09:39:43
Ripping into our players is something that's rife on ToffeeWeb IMO: Ross, Rom, Stones, Barry have all been main targets in the past.

Funes Mori becoming his nation's captain was met by a comment of "its Nov 1st not April 1st". "Pantomime passion" was a phrase used by you to describe Funes Mori's Everton career.

Now you want to talk about wages being increased, can I ask do captains take a lower wage in your world ?

Then you state he mentioned he needs first team football to retain his position within the Argentina squad, do you think that's wrong?

My point is aimed at defending our players, and being proud of their personal achievements. If Funes Mori becomes Argentina's captain then you should be happy about it.

Then again maybe you know more about leadership skills than Passarella!

John Daley
15 Posted 02/11/2016 at 11:58:49
"Mori becoming his nations captain was met by a comment of "its Nov 1st not April 1st" . "Pantomime passion" was a phrase used by you to describe Mori's Everton career."

Mark's harmless crack about April Fools and my saying he's displayed 'pantomime passion' qualifies as "ripping into" him? 

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'Wherever there may be injustice, mild ribbing or gentile name calling, 'Dwyer Mouse' will come darting, along with his trusty but speccy four-eyed gadge of a gerbil sidekick 'Penfume' (don't tell him I said that, hey gang? Makes me mouse arse look a wee bit hypocritical) . Beware 'Baron Blue-Bash', we're ready to bite!

Allow me to regale you with the origins of our never ending fight to defend...err...every fucker on the face of the Earth. Whether they require our aid or not. I like to call this one "The case of the kid called 'Silly Billy' by his cruel she witch of a mother.'

You do realise Funes Mori hasn't actually become captain of Argentina, right? Somebody just said that they think he should be? So, back in the real world, it can't have been his "becoming captain" that prompted me to say he's displayed 'pantomime passion' on a couple of occasions. 

Nor was the phrase intended as a short arse slating of his entire Everton career to date. I've not mentioned anything about his form or what I personally think of him as a player. I just pointed out that bluff passion, in the shape of shameless playing up to the crowd, isn't the same as the real fight and passion for the cause one would hope to have seen from somebody being hailed as having the stuff of a "great leader".

"Now you want to talk about wagers being increased, can I ask do captains take a lower wage in your world?"

In my world? Fuck me. Where's that wet fish?

He. Has. Not. Been. Named. Captain. Of. Anything. In. Reality. Anthony. Except. Maybe. The. Local. Male. 'I. Like. To. Wear. Thigh. High's. In. Public. Me'. League.

The increase in wages and profile a player receives when signing for a Premier League club was mentioned purely in response to your suggestion that him moving to another country to ply his trade was laudable and somehow demonstrative of leadership potential. The point being, it was an absolute no-brainer and you can't read anything into his actions in that instance because most any player in his situation would have done the same. 

"Then you state he mentioned "he needs first team football to retain his position within the Argentina squad, do you think that's wrong"

Well, let's put it this way. When he starts saying it a mere six weeks after losing his starting place then I sure as shit think he's being a bit hasty and showing a troubling lack of fight for someone suddenly being tagged as a future leader. For my liking anyway. If Captain America suddenly turned around and said "fuck this for a game of soldiers" when he first found out his Nazi nemesis had an actual red skull for a face, what sort of effect would that have had on the troops morale during the American war effort? Stick at it. Redouble your efforts. Find a way to overcome. Don't just say "Well, if things don't start going my way quick smart, I'm outta here. I'll get off somewhere else where things are easier for me. For the sake of me Avenger's career, like."

Derek Thomas
18 Posted 03/11/2016 at 01:08:55
Captain is as Captain does... and nobody is 'doing' at the moment. Passarella may be right or wrong, but until Funes Mori gets a decent run in the team AND shows his leadership skills, it's wait and see.

We need a 'Captain' to come forward soon. (Jags isn't getting any younger and he was never that shit hot as a captain...) We probably need more than one, as all good teams have more than one, which is how they get to be good.

Over to you, Ron... just another thing on your 'to do list'. It's a hard life at £6M per year... innit???

Mark Riding
22 Posted 05/11/2016 at 18:50:15
Thought this could do with a bump like..
Mark Riding
23 Posted 11/11/2016 at 01:22:05
I'll keep bumping this. MotM tonight.
Jay Wood
24 Posted 11/11/2016 at 01:34:26
Funes Mori is having a decent game, but MotM...? He's been yellow carded (again!) and the Argies have barely had a kick as an attacking force and are being tanked 3-0 by Brazil as I write with 5 minutes to go. It seriously could have been double that.

Brazil exorcising the demons in the stadium where Germany thrashed them 7-1 in the World Cup Semi-Final 2 years ago.

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