James McCarthy was ruled out today with another slight hamstring problem
Ronald Koeman has revealed that Leighton Baines had to be withdrawn from today's 3-0 win over West Bromwich Albion because of a back problem.
The manager also confirmed that James McCarthy has succumbed to another hamstring injury, the frequency of such setbacks has become a source of concern.
Baines played the first half as usual this afternoon but did not reappear for the second half, his place taken by Ramiro Funes Mori who had dropped back to the substitutes' bench to accommodate a return to the side for Phil Jagielka.
"Leighton had a problem with his back, he couldn't move anymore, that was the reason we had to change Leighton," Koeman said after the match.
McCarthy, meanwhile, was absent from the squad altogether and the club's medical staff will now be tasked with trying to get to the bottom of his recurrent hamstring issues.
"James, again, he has some problems on his hamstring," Koeman is quoted as saying by the Liverpool Echo.
"It happened at the beginning of last week, that is really painful for himself but also for me because I like him and we like to progress with, continue with James.
"It is not a big hamstring [strain], maybe he will be out for one or two weeks, but I am really disappointed about that.
"This is another step back for the boy, that is really disappointing."
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1 Posted 11/03/2017 at 22:37:31
2 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:07:36
I really believe in this lad's talent and this is the time for the club to give him time to recover as we have plenty of options in the middle at present.
3 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:10:41
I remember that Europa League game, when after being out with a hamstring problem, he pulled up lame around the 15-minute mark; hand on his hammy. And OFM replaced a chunk of the medical staff. Not HIS training methods, by God.
McCarthy's played a lot of games for a player his age. I'm accepting he is not going to be the player he wanted and we hoped he might.
Get him healthy and sell to a lower league club.
4 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:13:58
We need to beat someone above us!
5 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:36:02
He needs to see a new specialist and have extended rest time.
6 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:43:20
We've got a mix of very winnable matches and tough tests coming.
7 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:48:25
8 Posted 11/03/2017 at 23:50:29
9 Posted 11/03/2017 at 00:01:29
"get him healthy and sell to a lower league club" .
And why would Everton do that, James to get less money?
10 Posted 12/03/2017 at 01:06:52
As has been noted he's played a lot and from a young age. With his all-action style his body appears to be breaking down. A shame as he's a good player. With continual injuries he'll fall down the pecking order. Koeman may rate him but must be thinking he can't rely on him. I doubt McCarthy will accept battling for our 4th CM slot with Besic next season.
11 Posted 12/03/2017 at 01:12:57
12 Posted 12/03/2017 at 01:15:00
You think different? More money to be gotten with his sale? Hey, I'm open and guided by you.
Clubs that can, and do routinely, pay "more money". Whichever you pick. Count me in.
13 Posted 12/03/2017 at 01:53:07
If his fitness cannot be improved, perhaps a visit to a hamstring specialist, then I don't see him being picked regularly.
A little sad as he's not a player I rate but he looked to have improved under Koeman. Shame.
14 Posted 12/03/2017 at 07:43:40
15 Posted 12/03/2017 at 08:42:02
16 Posted 12/03/2017 at 08:56:13
I am sorry for the boy, but he appears to have an Everton future, from Ronald's comments.
17 Posted 12/03/2017 at 10:01:42
You said "lower league" club, that would be from the Championship down? So, from what you said, you reckon that's where he should be playing – that's his level?
You accept he's not going to be the player he wanted – what does that mean exactly?
18 Posted 12/03/2017 at 10:38:55
This transformation, along with that of Robles and the rejuvenated Ross Barkley, tells me that we won't find a better coach at the minute to bring us forward.
19 Posted 12/03/2017 at 10:56:20
20 Posted 12/03/2017 at 11:02:21
21 Posted 12/03/2017 at 12:55:44
If Everton deem him not fit, it will be interesting to hear what O'Neill and Keane have to say!
22 Posted 12/03/2017 at 13:12:07
I hope we can get some specialists who can get to the root of this it often lies somewhere in the back and he can continue to play for Everton. He may not be our first choice at the moment with a few ahead of him in midfield, but he adds options when fit, even if off the bench and as cover for injuries. I wouldn't sell yet.
James, like Oliver, I thought you were suggesting selling him to Championship club or Scottish Premier even... lines crossed.
23 Posted 12/03/2017 at 13:57:51
O'Neil and Keane are Visigoths.
24 Posted 12/03/2017 at 14:06:48
25 Posted 12/03/2017 at 14:25:40
26 Posted 12/03/2017 at 15:33:36
McCarthy has to learn from Darren Gibson, whose career was wrecked at Everton by playing for the Republic.
McCarthy should pack in the international football and concentrate on playing for Everton, because that's where his footballing career lies, which is short compared to most other careers.
27 Posted 12/03/2017 at 15:48:57
Funes Mori's wanderings at left back yesterday say otherwise.
28 Posted 12/03/2017 at 16:23:34
McCarthy seems to be the best exponent of Koeman's pressing game at the club, and he will be a big miss at Anfield. As others have alluded to, for a 26-year-old, he's played a lot of high tempo football, and I hope this is not the beginning of another Gibson saga as I really like him as a player, and for his attitude.
29 Posted 12/03/2017 at 17:05:28
30 Posted 12/03/2017 at 18:51:14
I meant "lower" league club, the Burnleys, WHUs, etc.
31 Posted 12/03/2017 at 19:25:53
I think he said Everton were a brilliant football club , well what else could he say !
Our medical team would know what is best for our players when they are working with and seeing them day in and day out and they would obviously be advising Koeman and the player.
Any club manager will try to protect their playing staff and that is what Koeman was doing.
Yes he had a dig at Keane and O'Neill by publicly saying McCarthy should not have played in the two games , and he was right to do so in my opinion.
Keane and O'Neill set McCarthy back in playing him in the two games in three days or whatever it was.
I don't agree with those who reckon McCarthy will end up like D.Gibson.
Steavey @ 26.
Gibson was very injury prone whilst at Utd which is why we got him .
It's no surprise to see he only lasted three and a bit games with his new club .
32 Posted 12/03/2017 at 19:47:25
33 Posted 12/03/2017 at 19:49:51
Totally ridiculous. Let's hope it's not serious.
34 Posted 12/03/2017 at 20:38:56
On the left back situation, I like the look of Antonee Robinson in the U23 side, Callum Connolly is two footed and we have Brendan Galloway as well. None of these will have the expert delivery that Baines has provided for Everton, as such talent only visits us infrequently. Ben Chilwell from Leicester looked decent as well, but an unlikely option unless they were relegated.
35 Posted 12/03/2017 at 21:10:10
This smacks of sheer irresponsibility on the ROI behalf, because most players need time to recover full match fitness not pushed straight away the way Gibson was.
That was the season when Everton could have qualified for champions league football, because Everton lacked another quality midfield player.
It's the same situation with McCarthy and the ROI, who are pushing him straight away to play full matches, even when coming back from another hamstring injury. Koeman has already expressed his annoyance with ROI over McCarthy's treatment last time.
36 Posted 12/03/2017 at 22:37:38
It's hard to blame Ireland for playing him in those games as they wouldn't have had the strength of squad to be able to rotate. They are better off this time as they have Jeff Hendrick, Harry Arter and Glenn Whelan for the central midfield positions. Gibson is also injured, Meyler of Hull also available, so it would be likely that James would be on the bench v Wales if he was fit.
Injuries are just an unfortunate part of football. I think you are being a bit harsh on the International scene. Players want to play for their country and strive to get the opportunity to play in the World Cup. Maybe this desperation clouds their judgement and they play when they shouldn't play.
This raises another question of players playing for Everton when injured. Two in particular Tim Cahill and Leon Osman, according to their autobiographies, often played with injuries and with injections. This also smacks of irresponsibility on the player's and the club's part, risking the player's future.
It was easy enough to see in the case of Leon Osman, when he was struggling with injury and unable to compete and often with a competent alternative on the bench. I would rather a fully fit reserve played rather that an injured player with an injection to see him through the pain. Pain is visited upon us for a reason.
37 Posted 13/03/2017 at 11:29:19
Steavey, what has match fitness got to do with a cruciate injury?
38 Posted 13/03/2017 at 12:20:45
Clearly, when Darren Gibson was stupidly brought in against Georgia and Germany for the RoI to play full matches when Gibson was not match-fit did make a contribution to his cruciate liagament damage. Something, Premier League managers will not do with players coming back from long-term injuries.
39 Posted 13/03/2017 at 12:39:32
Maybe Ronald needs another quiet word in James's ear, like he did once before.
And tell those two gobshites what the score is.
40 Posted 13/03/2017 at 14:21:33
Pretty sure it wasn't Georgia but that's not really relevant.
41 Posted 13/03/2017 at 15:14:31
In the case of Gibson, he started and played for 69 minutes against Fulham on 24th September 2013, was rested and not listed as injured for Newcastle on 30th September, appeared as sub for Osman v Man City on 5th October. He then played a full 90 minutes v Germany on 11th October and started v Kazakhstan (well done Shane) on 15th October, both World Cup qualifiers.
I would suggest that if he got through 90 minutes away to Germany in the World cup and was fit to start four days later, he could be considered match fit. We are not privy to the stresses and strains of players, but as I said before, the player is as responsible as the management, for club as well as country.
Re Bolasie, I expect he was referring to a different fitness, strength and conditioning strategy at Palace, which he feels helped keep him free of knee injuries. Who can say if he's right or wrong? Our fitness record has been okay in recent times. I see from the PhysioRoom site that we have only 4 on injury list at the moment, Baines, McCarthy, Bolasie and Besic. Palace have 7, but maybe strategy has changed there this season with a new manager.
Perhaps the most telling point is that Gibson is listed with a knee injury at Sunderland. He was ok when he played against us a few weeks back. Sometimes a player's body just can't cope with the demands.
42 Posted 13/03/2017 at 15:18:23
43 Posted 13/03/2017 at 15:26:26
44 Posted 13/03/2017 at 15:42:36
Is that a genuine point? The player decides?
Ironically, then shouldn't McCarthy be let do what he wants?
45 Posted 13/03/2017 at 15:56:03
46 Posted 13/03/2017 at 15:59:29
47 Posted 13/03/2017 at 16:05:12
You may remember Tony Dunne, a predecessor of Seamus Coleman as an Irish full back and a key player for Man Utd in the '60s. He had just finished a game at Highbury and was heading out the door with teammates Pat Dunne and Shay Brennan to travel to Ireland for an International game, when he was stopped by Matt Busby who told him he was injured, when he wasn't. He played 414 games for Man Utd and only 33 for Ireland over 13 years.
This attitude was commonplace amongst Club managers and that is why the new regulations, where the player must travel to be assessed by the International team's doctors, were put in place by FIFA. This is a FIFA regulation, not an Irish 'thing'. They also put in place a scheme whereby a player's wages are paid by an Insurance fund if injured playing for his country.
International games are part of Football, just. If McCarthy is unfit for the Hull game, he won't travel. As far as I am aware, that's the FIFA rule.
48 Posted 13/03/2017 at 16:06:13
49 Posted 13/03/2017 at 16:13:27
To me, this is an outrage, because no international player is under contractual obligation to play for an international team, except when a player has to fulfill certain visa demands, that a player has to play so many games for a country in order to play for a club in a certain country.
50 Posted 13/03/2017 at 18:47:34
On your other point about contractual obligations and the Club determining if the player is fit or not. The Clubs did have this privilege and abused it to such an extent that FIFA had to bring in the ruling plus the FIFA Club Protection Programme. Existing injuries are not covered. This could be renamed the Giggs ruling, Bale has more caps than Giggs.
Do clubs want to stop players playing for their countries? I don't think so. Imagine if the likes of Tim Cahill or Seamus Coleman or Ashley Williams or Lukaku were told they couldn't play for their country. Exit stage left and skidmarks.
The point about Seamus Coleman reporting unfit for Ireland. If I remember correctly, he hadn't played for a few weeks for Everton, but played two matches for Ireland, gained match fitness and confidence and was able to slot back in at Everton on his return. Win-win situation.
51 Posted 13/03/2017 at 19:23:38
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