Everton handed stern test to start new season

Wednesday 14 June 2017  93 Comments  [Jump to last]
2017-18 Fixtures
Everton will kick off at home against Stoke but face Champions League opposition in the next five games to begin the 2017-18 campaign.

The Blues begin at Goodison Park for the second season running and will round out the first five games with back-to-back away games at Manchester City and champions Chelsea, a home clash with Tottenham and a trip to Old Trafford to face Manchester United.

Everton are considered the bookmakers' favourites to win the opening game but based on last season's form would do well to come out with more than two wins from their opening five games given those three daunting away games. Check out this site for bookmaker reviews before you sign up or place any bets this season.

The first Merseyside derby is at Anfield on 9 December with the return game at Goodison on 7 April. It's only the second time in 13 seasons that the Goodison derby has been scheduled second in the fixture calendar; the last time was in 2014-15 when Phil Jagielka's rocket salvaged a dramatic last-gasp goal for the Blues.

Ronald Koeman's side will be in the Midlands to face West Bromwich Albion on Boxing Day, will close out 2017 in Bournemouth and will ring in 2018 with a home game against Manchester United on New Year's Day.

The final match of the season will be against West Ham at the London Stadium the at end of a run in that includes games against Newcastle United, Huddersfield Town and Koeman's old club Southampton.

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James Morgan
1 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:06:00
Great first five fixtures. Stoke at home followed by Man City away, Chelsea away, Spurs home and Man Utd away. Proper testing start! Bring it on!
Martin Faulkner
2 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:08:56
First 5 fixtures are Stoke, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd. Tough start...
Rob Young
3 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:09:13
4 of last seasons top 6 in our opening 5 matches, 3 of which away? Tough!

Martin Faulkner
4 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:10:31
That's a really tough start, decent run in though.
Philip Jeffries
5 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:11:46
COYB!
Christy Ring
6 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:15:51
A tough start, but the best time to play the top teams, is early in the season.
Martin Nicholls
7 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:19:11
Get some early points on the board and it augurs well for season. The shite had a similar start last season incl Chelsea and Arsenal away and caught them both unawares and not fully prepared – we can do the same. Seems odd to say it at this stage but first game is a "must win"!
Mike Allison
8 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:19:48
Totally agree with Christy (#6), early season is a leveller so it's best to play the top teams and avoid the newly promoted sides. Not sure I'd have quite chosen it to be this extreme but there's definitely a positive way of looking at it.
Shane Corcoran
9 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:20:28
Glad to get the hard games in early. First derby away from home too.
Tom Hadley
10 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:21:15
All the more reason to get the transfer business done early this summer and have a really good pre-season!
Martin Nicholls
11 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:21:58
Slightly off topic but seems weird that we have next season's fixtures before the transfer window officially opens!
Paul A Smith
12 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:30:17
The Premier League are just pricks. Getting them games out the way is only good if you win. We saw last season how hard it was to gain form and we waited until November/December for it.

With an already started Europa League campaign, some of the games will be moved to Sunday. So, as well as facing 2 of the best in 3 opening games we will be playing catch up too. Absolute pricks.

Dave Lynch
13 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:38:33
Will take 7-9 points from the first 5 in a heartbeat.
Steve Pugh
14 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:40:11
Early start to the season with the Europa League could turn out to be a blessing with the lads getting proper games under their belts.
Kim Vivian
15 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:41:13
Paul (#12). That's bollocks, mate. We won 4 and drew 3 of our first eight games last season (won 4 out of the first 5 actually) and then had a poor run in November and December. If we can start off on the same foot, I will be quite happy.
Tony Hill
16 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:43:14
We should have extra fitness at the start of the season given our Europa League exercises. That could prove very helpful. No doubt it's a tough beginning though.
Steve Ferns
17 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:44:55
If we can get some form before the season starts, through the Europa League, then this could be good.

The pessimist in me, or should I say the Davey Moyes, tells me that we are going to be struggling after 5 games, and then spend a few weeks trying to reverse the bad momentum and the rest of the season trying to recover to 7th.

Even more reason to get going early in the transfer market.

Brian Williams
18 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:46:11
It's a fucking fix! The Sky (please insert appropriate number here) have stitched us up to keep us out of the club.

Who else plays 4 of the top 6 in their first five games? Scandalous. Theresa May's gonna here about this!

Bob Parrington
19 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:52:45
Well. Er... er... at least we should have a reasonable idea as to whether or not we can be close to the top 4 or 5 by about mid-December.

I'll be in UK in September but the only game I can get to is the Man Utd away game. How the fuck do I get 2 tickets for this?

Michael McCarthy
20 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:57:19
If are competing for top 4, what's the problem? Catch teams cold – perfect start to the season.
John Keating
21 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:58:09
Terrible start. Hopefully 3 points against Stoke. Then next 4 nothin !

Thing is, like winning, losing becomes a habit. On form after 5 games, if we are sitting on 3 points, then we could have problems.

To be honest, with that shit Europa League to contend with, I reckon we will be lucky to finish 7th anyway.

Phil Walling
22 Posted 14/06/2017 at 09:58:23
Last season we lost only one of the equivalent fixtures against these five teams, a 0-5 hammering at Chelsea. However, our only win was a 1-0 against Stoke, the three others ending in 1-1 draws.

P5 W1 D3 L1 F4 A8 P6 again would represent a decent start against such opposition, methink!

Steve Ferns
23 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:05:45
I'd bank that now, Phil.
Tom Evans
24 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:07:01
In days gone by, I would have looked at that list and groaned. Now, however, optimism has kicked in and, with this bright new dawn, I am thinking we will give a good account of ourselves.
Dave Ganley
25 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:12:42
Crikey, fixtures only just come out and it's all doom and gloom. Doesn't matter who we face early doors, near enough every team is up for it, especially teams that come up from the Championship. If we can have a decent transfer window then teams may start to worry about us.

Onwards and upwards we should be looking forward to going to these grounds not fearing them. Nothing will ever change if we are beaten before we even play.

The biggest test is the Chavs away. Come away with something from there and happy days. We have a decent record at Man City and Man Utd are nothing like the Fergie teams, so let's be positive. Home record is good so let's be positive.

Chris James
26 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:14:45
The opening run is very tough but, as many have said, catching the big teams early is no bad thing and, if we could pull off a few wins, then it would surely give the confidence a massive boost.
Ben Hayes
27 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:15:34
Personally, I think that's a great start. When we play a promoted side we usually draw or lose even at home so far better to play the tougher teams and see where we are, we have the added bonus of Europa League so have extra games.

Either way we have to play every team home and away so doesn't really matter. But I can't wait for the start of the season. COYB

Andrew Ellams
28 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:33:16
Let's get this straight: we play 19 other teams home and away across the season, same as every other season. The rest of it is just advanced excuse-making.

If anything, we should be two weeks ahead of everybody else on fitness, so let's see.

Derek Thomas
29 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:36:11
38 tough games in the Premier League this season, last season – every season. Get over it; none of this 'x' pts from 'y' games then we have 'z' easier games so that's 'n' points nailed on.

One game at a time.

Andrew Ellams
30 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:38:10
Exactly, Derek. Although if we don't beat Brighton and Huddersfield, I will be asking questions.
John Hammond
31 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:44:11
Straight into the big games... good. We'll be fully fit with a bit of extra game time behind us and I'd rather play them before they start hitting their stride. Promoted teams are always dangerous in the first few weeks.
Peter Gorman
32 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:45:17
Would have been better to face the tough teams in the final games when we traditionally give up playing anyway.
James Morgan
33 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:46:01
I'm pretty sure we still play all the teams twice, don't we?

I prefer us having a tough start; it should hopefully bring the best out in the lads.

Mark Morrissey
34 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:49:51
Martin @ 11, for the 3rd time repeating myself, the Transfer window opened last Friday.

As for the fixtures, I'd sooner focus the mind early doors.

On another matter, I really wished we'd gone for Harry Maguire, seems Leicester have stolen a march on all of us. Great defender.

Ernie Baywood
35 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:54:27
I'm pretty much always a proponent of the phrase "we're playing everyone twice again".

But next season is a bit different. Given our early start, we should be well and truly ready by the start of the season when others are ramping up. It could be a great chance to catch them cold and give ourselves something to really play for. Imagine us coming through that run with a few wins... our run afterwards could see us in contention at Christmas... with a transfer window looming!

Of course, this assumes (amongst other things) that we get our business done early this summer. That seems to be the intent. Get it done – this is a great opportunity!

Sam Hoare
36 Posted 14/06/2017 at 10:59:47
I agree with others who say that early season is a decent time to play such teams, hopefully before they've got into their stride. The downside is that we could likely have quite a few new players and they my take a while to find any cohesion...
Anto Byrne
37 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:00:30
We will be top after 5 games just like last season. Could be ahead of the pack here due to early Europa League commitments. Don't forget, we got a new goalie – that always helps. Lol
Alec Smith
38 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:04:04
Our early start to the season (courtesy of the Europa League) may just be a blessing when it comes to these tough early fixtures.
Mike Gwyer
39 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:14:27
Cheers, John Keating (#20). Season ticket has been fucked off out the window, so many thanks for your crystal ball predictions.

We haven't won at Chelsea since time began so what's the big deal? If we get something, great; if we don't, then at least we will out-sing those boring, up-their-arses, Chavs.

Anyway, they'll probably have that bone idle, arm-waving Lukaku leading the line. You know what lad, this prediction stuff is so easy, the Chavs game will be our second of many away wins next season. Bet you didn't see that in your crystal ball.

Eddie Dunn
40 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:25:12
Strange how the fixtures have given us such a tough start but hopefully we will be up to speed with our early (Europa League) start. At least we will not be complacent.

My worry is the relatively easy run-in from which we would expect to amass plenty of points. However, we have tailed-off two seasons on the trot with lazy, inept performances and, after a longer season, with (hopefully) longer cup runs, we will be mentally on the beach in Dubai for the last 3 weeks!

Martin Nicholls
41 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:32:50
Mark (#33) – sorry teacher! Mine was a throwaway comment and I can't say I've researched the matter as extensively as you have.

I based my comment on Wiki which states: "Although in England the transfer window formally opens on 1st July, transfers between clubs in the same league can take place as soon as the last competitive fixtures of the season have taken place."

Linked to contracts running to 30th June apparently. Perhaps Solanke is an example – he officially remains a Chelsea player until 1st July although some already regard him as red shite.

Wiki also states that International transfers cannot take place until 1st July. You pay your money and you take your choice, I suppose – on balance, mine is that the window does not open until 1st July.

Tom Bowers
42 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:52:13
Actually, it doesn't really matter who the opponents are at any time of the season – they will all be tough, such is the Premier League. Everton can usually battle with the best of them but it's the weaker sides they come unstuck against.

I believe that, with some tweaking here and there, Koeman can produce a team that will be a force next season and, with the great progress of the youngsters, the prospects look rosy.

Gerry Quinn
43 Posted 14/06/2017 at 11:56:28
BBC has got us 7th already...
Phil Walling
44 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:04:41
And that's exactly where we will finish... Best of the Rest!
Kerry Frahm
45 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:14:47
What's with all the doom and gloom? Those last 6 matches guarantee us a clean up at the end of season. Haha!
Damian Wilde
46 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:36:57
A tough start for sure. I agree with a number of the differing views, though not all.

Christy makes a good point in that it may be bettrr to play these teams before they settle into their full stride.

Paul Smith makes a good point in that it could be a juggle with early Europa League games.

However, I was aghast at this post (Steve Ferns):

"I'd bank that now, Phil." (Phil had said last year we gained 6/15 points out of those five games).

Seriously? How about we settle for 11th now?

Let's just get behind the boys and go for it. #COYB

Rob Young
47 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:37:54
Possible Europa League game on the Thursday before the Anfield derby. Probably get drawn to play in Russia that week.
Ste Traverse
48 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:38:34
It just wouldn't be TW without a selection of cry-arsers on a thread.

So fucking what – we have a tough start? We have to play these sides at some point anyway, may as well get them out of the way, and maybe catch these sides cold with us starting our season earlier than most.

The only thing I'm disappointed with is having a home match on New Year's Day. I think there will be quite a few hungover fans at that game, I'll probably be one of them.

Jim Harrison
49 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:42:28
Got to play them some time. It'll be a good barometer of how the squad develops over the summer.

Besides, the first 5 games maketh not a season! We were undefeated by that point last season. Then bombed.

Rob Halligan
50 Posted 14/06/2017 at 12:46:29
Martin Nicholls, you are right.

Although clubs can negotiate a price with the selling club, and then agree salary with the player himself, the said player cannot actually become an official employee of the buying club until July 1st, the date the transfer window officially opens.

Brian Harrison
51 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:02:13
Well, we will find out very quickly this season if we shape up better than previous seasons against the top 6 teams.
Martin Nicholls
52 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:07:20
Thanks, Rob (#49).
Gerard Carey
53 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:10:19
More important is to get any transfers done early. A good preseason with a full squad chomping at the bit, early competitive games in the Europa League and we will be ready for the new season.

Three points against Stoke and take it from there. We shouldn't fear anyone. Just look at our U23s, Champions, five of our lads recent World Cup winners.

Upwards and onwards.

Ary Lima de Moraes
54 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:17:40
Great – we'll start with the 2nd most boring game of the season. (First is Stoke away!)
Paul Setter
55 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:18:30
Exactly the start I wanted... I said to my work mate I hope we get as many games away from home as soon as possible against the big 6 with Man City first, ideal...

Also a Merseyside Derby at the swamp first – perfect; gets it out the way.

Jay Wood
56 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:25:35
Cracking opening list of fixtures!

Bring it on!

Our early Europa League fixtures may just prime us nicely for the start of the Premier League season, give us an edge over teams playing their first competitive games of the season, and enable us to catch 'em cold.

And as others point out, all teams play all other 19 teams twice, home and away, over a 38-game season.

Conspiracy and a stitch up? GTF!

Si Cooper
57 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:34:22
Seems to me that it is an opportunity to cause some upsets while teams are still gelling and hopefully our players and manager will treat it that way.

The whole transfer window thing is very confusing. Some official threshold was definitely crossed recently.

Not sure if Martin's and Rob's logic holds up. If teams from the same league can deal as soon as the seasons fixtures have concluded, then why isn't Solanke now definitively a RedShite player?

Sunderland are not in same league as us so that stymies the Pickford deal until July 1st.

Franny Porter
58 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:35:59
Beat Stoke; beat Spurs; beat Man Utd; draw with Man City; beat by Chelsea.

Feel free to gather the odds.

Remember where you heard it first.

Brian Wilkinson
59 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:44:58
I think Lukaku and Barkley got inside information and thought "Bugger that for a game of soldiers, I'm off."

Good baptism for Pickford though, find out early if he's up to it.

Anyway, let's get them out of the way early doors – you never know. If you need a pick me up, have a look at Huddersfield's last 4 games of the season.

Franny Porter
60 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:49:26
One other thing, the conspiracy theorists on here make me laugh, we have to play every team twice, no matter what. Get a grip.
James Hughes
61 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:52:50
Due to the Europa League games, we will have been playing competitively for 3 weeks before the first game. We should be be sharper than them in the early stages. Regardless of when we play them, we just need to compete. It could work in our favour.
Jim Knightley
62 Posted 14/06/2017 at 13:58:48
I also prefer the tough start as I think these teams are weakest in the first few matches – the one issue, perhaps, is that a failure to win any of them may impact on our confidence and optimism. I'd fancy us to cause problems at home though, dependent on the state of the team come August.

I'd hope we would be further along than other teams too, in view of the Europa League qualifiers.

Kieran Kinsella
63 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:00:47
We've wasted a lot of "easy" starts over the years. I seem to recall Liverpool having a similar set of fixtures last season and they finished fourth.

One amusing and unsurprising take on the fixtures comes from a headline I saw on The Sun – didn't read it, mind... just happened on the headline: "Nightmare start for Chelsea who play four top seven teams in first two months." Not a word about us.

Denis Richardson
64 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:06:53
Look on the bright side: early season few teams will be fully up and running so not bad to get these tougher games out of the way early. Our season starts in July so hopefully we'll be that bit sharper than the others in August.

We really need to start off with 3 points at home to Stoke first off though..

I'd happily take 6 points now from the first 5 games!

Daniel Lim
66 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:17:58
Wow, Kieran, The Sun said "top seven"?
Tom Bowers
67 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:36:29
There are always some odd results early on an usually it's one of the promoted teams playing above their station but also due to some teams missing some key players early.

Look at Liverpool's crazy win at Arsenal early on last season when the Gunners had key men missing.

Damian Wilde
68 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:51:09
Tom Bowers (#41)

"Everton can usually battle with the best of them but it's the weaker sides they come unstuck against."

Last season, we beat most of the lower table sides, but did poorly against the top six, so for last season – not true.

Dave Ganley
69 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:51:24
Ste (#47), if anything can clear a hangover on New Year's Day, it's beating the Mancs at home – at least that's what I'm banking on to get rid of mine.
Brent Stephens
70 Posted 14/06/2017 at 14:57:42
Conspiracies everywhere. Doom everywhere.

"Oh to be in England now May's not here" as somebody said earlier this week!

Ian Bennett
72 Posted 14/06/2017 at 16:14:07
I can't see those teams being too happy to play us either. If we get some good points on the board from these first 5 games, we can look at the rest of the season with confidence.

At the end of the day, you have to play these teams anyway, so I agree catching them cold could be more helpful to us, than them.

Gio Mero
73 Posted 14/06/2017 at 16:39:58
Awesome. Who cares for a Watford or Brighton match? Big teams for big memorable matches – what a chance to start our season in style!!!
Brian Garside
74 Posted 14/06/2017 at 17:51:22
Last season we where unfit but still managed a good start. Next season we will be fitter and match sharp having played EL and a stronger squad. Playing that lot one after another means we will be forced to play at tempo and intensity consistently which could give us the edge.

It will also mean the entire squad will be needed. There is no room for egoes anymore. No one can playevery game.
Lev Vellene
75 Posted 14/06/2017 at 17:56:57
Well, this a good test of strength! I doubt the team of yesteryear could face that, unless as underdogs! So I really hope we can get in 5-6 players who USED to be on the winning side! Or at least was always feeling they should have had a winning side just waiting for their contributions!
Paul Mackie
76 Posted 14/06/2017 at 18:09:54
Playing competitive games like the Europa League qualifiers could actually turn out to be pretty useful. We'll be match fit for August hopefully while everyone else is staggering out of the blocks.
Si Turner
77 Posted 14/06/2017 at 18:38:31
This is perfect. Get 4 difficult games done in first five games and keep confidence from wins against at least two of them once the fixtures get easier.

Also, assuming we are challenging for top 6 or 4, the last 5x fixtures all look winnable so that could be a blessing.

Nigel Johnson
78 Posted 14/06/2017 at 19:23:45
Well, Well, Well, Great fixture.

I am glad that three big games are away; by the time the team settles, we will be playing three big games at home. Also glad, at last, the match against Liverpool is away first. Pick up some great points and build some confidence.

Let's get the new players in nice and early have a great pre-season and qualify for the group stages of the Europa League and win the first Premier League match and then go for it. 9 points in the first 5 matches would be a good start.

Mark Morrissey
79 Posted 14/06/2017 at 19:40:15
Martin @ 11, your entire post read as follows
Slightly off topic but seems weird that we have next season's fixtures before the transfer window officially opens!
My reply to your supposed "throw away comment " was simply this, "the windows already open and it opened last Friday
Your response " well Wikipeado says it's not until July"
I would say "don't trust that page, it's often wrong, read a newspaper, read ToffeeWeb, watch the news, you might learn something. If you weren't aware Man Utd signed Lindelof today and Man City have signed at least 2 since Friday. It wasn't just you questioning the date but others too and for someone posting on a Soccer site I thought you might look at the news. Not to worry, I'll let you continue reading Wikiwank, enjoy the new season, I think it starts next week, hang on, I'll go and check it rather than read the news.
Martin Nicholls
80 Posted 14/06/2017 at 20:46:38
Mark (#79) – no need to get stroppy, my friend.

I don't read many newspapers (although I do follow reported transfer rumours in them), but I do follow TW and sometimes watch TV (but what I see and hear on Sky I take with a pinch of salt!).

Lindelof's contract with Man Utd begins on 1st July (per Man U OS) presumably because the Portuguese transfer window does not open until that date.

Andy Crooks
81 Posted 14/06/2017 at 20:48:35
We will have a different team next season. A better team. I expect us to win the opening five games (comfortably). If not, I will expect the coach to be sacked.
Martin Nicholls
82 Posted 14/06/2017 at 20:49:51
Mark - to put your mind at rest I meant to add that information about Portuguese transfer window is taken from FIFA website not from Wiki
Brian Williams
83 Posted 14/06/2017 at 20:57:41
Ffs like being in year 7 here sometimes. Lol.
Lev Vellene
84 Posted 14/06/2017 at 21:06:59
Brian #83 Deep breaths! Then pretend to play along with the loonies until we all start howling dismally together after all those bad results that are bound to happen! You can't go wrong .
Michael Winstanley
85 Posted 14/06/2017 at 23:17:39
If we can find form, then our last 15 are winnable.
Graham Lloyd
86 Posted 15/06/2017 at 03:15:18
I feel it will be good for us. After all, we start the campaign early as we have the Europa League and I'm sure Koeman will have the boys up for anything. That' why he is trying to get new faces in early.

I am licking my lips for the new season. COYB

Lee Courtliff
87 Posted 15/06/2017 at 10:56:19
We never do as badly as we initially fear. I think last season we had Arsenal (who were top at the time), Liverpool and Man Utd on the bounce and we only lost once!

If we can beat Stoke and one of the 'big boys', draw one and lose the other two, then that would be a decent enough start given the difficulty of the fixtures.

Personally, I'm excited by it. We could easily catch them cold!

Ernie Baywood
88 Posted 15/06/2017 at 11:01:21
We should be excited about it, Lee. If you're not, you've given up hope!
Dave Pritchard
89 Posted 15/06/2017 at 17:24:20
Another TW article with links to betting sites. Is this deliberate by TW – is somebody on commission?
Mark Riding
90 Posted 15/06/2017 at 17:28:45
Dave, every advert clicked get pennies in the pot to run the site. Other Everton sites actively encourage posters just to click a few to keep costs down.
Jon Cox
91 Posted 15/06/2017 at 19:15:32
Andy, great comment! for that one I'll get the first round in when you're next at the Old Lady.

As for "Conspiracies" –here's a question for everyone.

Knowing the odds on a lottery win, before the fixtures came out, would you have put £50 on what came out, ie, our known fixtures, or some other permutation which spread out the hard games evenly.

You see, you have to look back at previous fixtures.

I mean what would be the odds say from a random point of view that on one particular Sunday Liverpool would play Man Utd and Arsenal would play Tottingham. Good though, because, if this happened, Sky could call it "Super Sunday".

But, being totally naive. it just can't be true, I mean the powers that be would never try to fool us like this... would they?

Ian Jones
92 Posted 15/06/2017 at 19:23:07
Jon. What about the Liverpool and Manchester derbies at the moment scheduled for the same day? That's a proper Super Sunday
Jon Cox
93 Posted 15/06/2017 at 19:33:41
So Ian,

You get my drift.

Random? My arsenal...

John Smith
94 Posted 15/06/2017 at 21:53:26
dup
John Smith
95 Posted 15/06/2017 at 21:55:15
Dutch Websites saying Davy Klaasen has signed a five-year deal after medical done, for a fee of around £26m.

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