Sandro coy over proposed Everton move

Tuesday 20 June 2017  283 Comments  [Jump to last]

Certain reliable elements among the British media may have reported that his transfer to Everton was effectively done but Sandro himself wasn't giving anything away today.

The 21-year-old is on the brink of making a £5.2m move from Málaga to Goodison Park after undergoing a successful medial last week but while an agreement is in place with the Spanish club, it doesn't appear as though personal terms have been settled.

Sandro was similarly close to moving to Atletico Madrid last month, passing a medical with that club as well, but was forced to re-think when Los Rojiblancos were hit with a six-month transfer embargo.

The striker was asked about his imminent move to Merseyside by Marca in Poland where the U21 European Championships are underway but, presumably at the direction of his agent, he played dumb on the topic.

“I don't know anything. I'm focused on the Euros,” he is reported to have said, although the belief among those with information about the negotiations is that the move is just a couple of loose ends away from being completed.

That was lent credence by Sky Sports' Rob Palmer who intimated as such on air this evening.

Sandro lines up again with Gerard Deulofeu for Spain U21s against Portugal this evening.  


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Colin Glassar
1 Posted 20/06/2017 at 18:54:00
If his heart isn't in it, it's better that he stays where he is.

I'm sick and tired of all the drama involved with the likes of Witsel, the fella from Kiev, Sissoko etc Let's get Dembele and keep Big Rom.

Danny Broderick
2 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:01:23
It looks like he is hedging his bets. Being at the Euros didn't stop Pickford from signing. I'd give him a deadline to sign, or else we'll pull out.
Alan McGuffog
3 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:01:28
Recent transfer activity would suggest that we are a "different" Everton now. More ambitious more decisive. We don't need to beg.

If he wants to join us... great. If he is trying to tout himself around for a better offer, then tell him to chase himself.

Mark Whyment
4 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:03:10
A bit of an assumption that that's the case, Colin.

There could be all sorts of reasons he's been asked not to comment on the deal at the moment. We should just be patient and let it play out. If he doesn't sign, because his heart isn't in it – so be it; much as we hope he does but only because he wants to.

Will Mabon
5 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:03:58
Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to The 104th World Transfer Games.
Minik Hansen
6 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:04:20
Well, there is more to it I think, like the circumstances he is going to be under; a new home/country, new culture, only one countrymen in the club (Robles, Deulofeu is leaving). We'll just have to see if the club can convince him the next few days.
Mike Doyle
7 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:04:24
Like many other players, he's probably hedging his bets (or maybe his agent is) and waiting to see what else comes along. All EFC can really do is state a deadline then move on.

Let's not feel victimised though, most other clubs are facing identical situations with their targets. For example, Defoe seems to have been on the verge of joining Bournemouth for about 6 months.

Colin Glassar
8 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:11:00
I've just read the original El Mundo piece (in Spanish) where he talks about his disappointment about leaving Barcelona, his boyhood dream of being a policeman, his tattoos etc. There really isn't a question about Everton, just him saying, "I don't know anything. I'm just concentrating on this competition".

I don't know how much we can read into this. Probably nothing.

Dermot Byrne
9 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:14:08
All clubs go through this now. Players have the power to look who are interested. Even the big spenders get this. I think it unreasonable to expect all players to react with joy immediately at the prospect of joining us. That does not mean they will not be good if they do join us.

This is what world football authorities love. We spend off season dancing to the tune of rumour and it increases anticipation for the new season.

If we had strength or something more interesting to follow close season, we would ignore the rumours but we don't. Hence I am on TW tonight looking for latest rumour.

Sadly this article has not got me one step forward and wasted another 10 mins of my life!

Back tomorrow!

Drew O'Neall
10 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:14:15
I agree it's ominous but there could be alternatives to him waiting for a better offer.

Could be he's under instruction that Evertonfc.com will make any announcements when it's done.

Best to remain tight-lipped if there is any element of doubt – Mino Raiola, take note.

Mark Whyment
11 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:16:16
How is it that so many transfers seem to be being completed when the window isn't officially open yet? Am I missing something obvious?
Will Mabon
12 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:19:45
Dermot – brutal self assessment!

See ya tomorrow, same time and place...

Dermot Byrne
14 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:24:29
Yep Will!
James Marshall
15 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:24:45
It's not ominous – the guy passed a medical and Everton are sorting out the deal. He's preparing for a big International match so he's simply telling it like it is. He doesn't know what the situation is yet, and he's concentrating on the game ahead.

Seems like a thoroughly professional response to a journalist's question and nothing more. What do people want him to do, jump up & down and scream that he's an Everton player before the deal is done? He'd look like a right plonker then, wouldn't he?

This is just filling inches in papers and means absolutely zero.

Brian Porter
16 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:42:38
Well said, James Marshall. I totally agree with your point of view. Until both sides reach an agreement, there's no point in him saying anything.

There are a lot of points that have to be worked out and when they are, we'll know about it. If talks break down, I'm pretty sure the club will make it known very quickly. In the meantime I prefer to believe that no news is good news.

Mike Doyle
18 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:54:34
As we know... Nature hates a vacuum and seeks to fill it. Footie fans choose to fill it with unsubstantiated speculation – and probably always will.

Oh for the days of clandestine meetings in motorway service stations, shock announcements in the Echo, the Boys Pen etc...

Will Mabon
19 Posted 20/06/2017 at 19:55:40
I think we're at a stage where players should say similar to "I won't comment in case my words are misinterpreted". Or just plead The Fifth...
Nicholas Ryan
20 Posted 20/06/2017 at 20:05:25
Sandro's agent: "My client is just consulting a map, to see which part of London, Everton is in."
Liam Reilly
21 Posted 20/06/2017 at 20:07:14
Playing devil's advocate here but I seriously doubt this guy grew up with the ambition to play in the Premier League with Everton.

If Arsenal or the RS were/are interested then we may have a problem. Money talks but so does selling the dream of the adventure that the club is embarking on, but it means that we're likely to gain a few but also lose a few over the journey.

Jimmy Salt
22 Posted 20/06/2017 at 20:32:11
Didn't I hear one of the ToffeeWeb gurus state this would be done on Wednesday?

I'm putting my faith in ToffeeWeb rumours and nonsense.

John Harris
23 Posted 20/06/2017 at 20:53:58
Relax. The interview in El Mundo was published today but importantly, the interview took place last week, before he flew out to Poland.

El Mundo Deportivo (a different paper) picked up on this with a sensational headline implying he had said the quote about knowing nothing about Everton today.

Also, the match commentator on Spanish TV has described him twice so far as an Everton player but this may not mean anything as they often get things wrong here. As others have said, we may just have to be patient on this one.

Brian Williams
24 Posted 20/06/2017 at 21:35:13
See, what the fuck do I know????
Mark Morrissey
25 Posted 20/06/2017 at 21:48:09
He'd look a proper dick if he started talking about Everton whilst at the Euros. Lose the game and everyone's on his back for not focusing on the game and all the Spanish press would be raking up his transfer to Everton talk.

They interviewed Ronaldo the other day and he said "I'm focusing on the match with Portugal, he didn't piss his pants and start saying "I owe £9 million in taxes", did he?

The transfer is all but done; stop panicking, Mr Mainwaring

Tim Locke
26 Posted 20/06/2017 at 22:18:38
Well, I am 99.999999% certain he will sign.
Tim Kells
27 Posted 20/06/2017 at 22:19:16
Geoff Lambert you posted this on Saturday. Any news mate?

Sandro will be signing on Wednesday after the U21 match with Portugal.

And Keane on Wednesday or Thursday.

Bob Hannigan
28 Posted 20/06/2017 at 22:29:25
If he isn't interested, move on in my opinion. Plenty of fish in the sea.
Peter Mills
29 Posted 20/06/2017 at 22:53:53
It is just possible that the guy has a good attitude, doesn't want to create a distraction whilst on international duty, so provides a bland response.

Wouldn't that be nice from a centre-forward?

James Watts
30 Posted 20/06/2017 at 22:58:05
Colin (#1). "If his heart isn't in it, it's better that he stays where he is. I'm sick and tired of all the drama involved with the likes of Witsel, the fella from Kiev, Sissoko etc Let's get Dembele and keep Big Rom."

His heart isn't in it. Sick of the drama. Let's keep Big Rom.

Notice the contradiction? :P

James Marshall
31 Posted 20/06/2017 at 23:12:12
There is no drama – the bloke is kinda busy scoring goals for the Spanish Under-21s at the moment and some half arsed journo tried to get a rise out of him.

Nothing to see here.

(The kid scored a great goal tonight, BTW.)

Phillip Warrington
32 Posted 21/06/2017 at 01:00:21
He's just not signing for us. He's hoping to have a decent U21 tournament, so other supposedly better teams than us who are playing in the Champions League will think, at £5.5 mill, he's a steal. If he doesn't have a great tournament, he can still sign for Everton.

And I wonder what Deulofeu is telling him about the current coach? Everton should give him an ultimatum: sign for us in 48 hours or we will move on to the next target. Cut out his option and show other players we are a big club and will not be stuffed around or used by any player or club.

Philip Jeffries
33 Posted 21/06/2017 at 01:22:57
This circus has been created by journalists who claim they know what's going on when they clearly don't. The only thing the player has said is 'I know nothing'.

Time to chillax a little and just see what happens. If it happens, great; if it doesn't, we go elsewhere.

For what it's worth, I really like the player and hope he signs, but let's not start jumping up and down when there are no facts whatsoever on the table. Unless the same journalists who wrote 'done deal' actually prove they know what's going on and supply us with an update on the delay.

Philip Jeffries
34 Posted 21/06/2017 at 01:31:52
I'll second the comment from Tim #30. Can we have an update from Geoff Lambert (posted on previous Sandro thread #66) who is the only one to predict he will sign today (apologies – it's Wednesday already in Australia!).

Journalists everywhere seem to know nothing. So are we still set to announce Sandro and Keane over the next 2 days? Or has there been a hitch?

In some ways it's great that nothing is coming from the club as we are acting professionally and doing business under the radar of the press. Just leaves us fans sitting around looking for scraps!

Kieran Kinsella
35 Posted 21/06/2017 at 04:18:19
I know nothing but I suspect: Everton are trying to push through an early deal as they did with Pickford who'd said he'd wait till after the Euros. The agent wants a quick deal so he gets paid.

Moreover, the Everton deal may flush out other more attractive deals. The player probably does want to focus on the Euros. Also, he seemed set for Atletico until a week ago, so maybe he's undecided.

It's kind of like if say Rashford never got a game at Man Utd, joined Swansea for a year and did well. Then Chelsea tried to sign him before getting a six-month transfer ban. All of a sudden, Valencia put in a bid. Would Rashford be all over it? Or would he wonder about a January move to Chelsea?

Robert Leigh
36 Posted 21/06/2017 at 08:27:22
I'm delighted he isn't talking about joining us.

We already have a striker who talks about leaving all the time, and now this guy is showing a little respect to his current club & fan base, yet we question why he isn't talking about joining us.

I think he will sign, I look forward to him occupying the Number 19 shirt and watching him score & assist goals; hopefully for Dembele in the Number 9 shirt.

COYB

Shane Corcoran
37 Posted 21/06/2017 at 08:37:01
Well if Rob Palmer says it's true, then well I'd like to hear from Gerry Armstrong – "He's big, he's quick, he scores goals."
James Watts
38 Posted 21/06/2017 at 08:46:13
Didn't this interview/quote get made a week ago, before anything was in place? It's just been released now, probably to fill in some column inches, as he hasn't signed due to the fact he's playing in the Euros.
Sam Hoare
39 Posted 21/06/2017 at 09:07:37
In previous years, I'd be worried about this one but somehow we seem a tighter ship now. I feel confident that the club are doing everything they can/should be. Ultimately it depends on the player, we can't force him.

I reckon we might well be seeing both Sandro and Deulofeu line up in pre-season in a few weeks time.

Mike Berry
40 Posted 21/06/2017 at 09:08:50
I really hope we get this one across the line as it appears to be dragging on.

This tournament is just putting him in the shop window for potential gazumpers; with this in mind, my usual optimistic mind tells me we are going to lose out.

Brian Furey
41 Posted 21/06/2017 at 10:09:05
Maybe I'm being negative but I would worry Deulofeu has probably not been selling moving to Liverpool too well to Sandro. He wants out himself and doesn't like playing for Koeman, I think, so no doubt he's hardly been a positive influence for Sandro.

I get the feeling he came to meet them as a safety net but he knows, if he does well in the U21 Euros, he'll bag himself a better deal somewhere sunny with maybe Champions League football.

James Stewart
42 Posted 21/06/2017 at 10:18:27
Dortmund interested now; here we go.
Clive Mitchell
43 Posted 21/06/2017 at 10:37:00
Just been looking at pics of Sandro Ramirez. All the reports say '21-year-old', but that's a typo for 41, isn't it?
James Watts
44 Posted 21/06/2017 at 10:44:11
James (#42).

I guess you're referring too the Echo?

"Some interesting stuff in SportBild this morning. The German newspaper speculates about the future of Pierre Emerick Aubameyang, who is expected to leave the German giants this summer. And they also outline potential replacements for the Gabon striker – with Malaga's Sandro mentioned as a possibility."

WIth the key words being potential replacements, and Sandro mentioned as a possibility – all of this in a newspaper/website. Hardly even worth mentioning, let alone getting worried about.

Stewart Lowe
45 Posted 21/06/2017 at 10:48:04
GUTTED!!!!!!!!

The moment Sandro played a blinder last night was the very moment other clubs sat up and took notice. :( Talk of Dortmund now showing an interest in him, and I am sure before the Under-21s has finished there will be many more ready to snatch him from our grasp.

Thing is, I thought Sandro would have been the one signing that I could help Everton bridge that gap to the top 6. Now I know he is still lined up to sign for us after the championships but I am sure there will be other clubs now contacting his agent.

If this actually does fall through then its possibly going to have repercussions for the rest of our signings. Because if it is true that we could have had him for £6m, it meant we could afford to take a hit on Sigurdsson and Dembele and pay way over the the odds for those players because of how much we would have saved on the Sandro deal.

He was going to sign for Atletico Madrid until the ban was upheld, so it's not as though he will have any affinity to us either. I so so hope I am wrong, but gutted if I am right.

Paul Smith
46 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:01:44
Sad to say but this guy is too good for us where we are at the moment. Be amazed and ecstatic if we got him. It will happen; not him, maybe, but we will make the step.
Will Mabon
47 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:02:22
It's gone all rumoury...
Gordon Crawford
48 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:11:20
Sadly we will have to wait and see. This reminds me though of Lucas Perez, hope I'm wrong.
Stewart Lowe
49 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:11:29
I think your absolutely right, Phillip, it does look like he chose to sign for us after the European Championships should he have an average tournament, but as he is playing a blinder, that decision looks to be paying off for him.

You are also right that he must be chatting to Deulofeu as the squad spend loads of time together, why would they not. Deulofeu wont have good things to say about Everton or Koeman after making it clear he is not wanted and sending him out on loan.

If we do sign Sandro, then I would want Lukaku to stay.

If Lukaku did go, then we should get Dembele to play with Sandro, who I think will be better than Lukaku.

If Sandro doesn't sign and Lukaku does leave, we should go for Dembele and Iheanacho.

Phil Jeffries
50 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:32:40
The silence is deafening on this. No solid evidence that anyone else is even sniffing around either. I really hope he is ours and for some technical reason we can't announce it yet?

Remember Spurs, Liverpool (January) and up until a few weeks ago Atletico Madrid were all showing interest. Now nothing. Just us.

It would be nice for someone to give us a hint on what is actually going on.

Jim Knightley
51 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:38:23
How is Sandro having a blinder? He did very little in the first game and was poor for the first half yesterday – he really struggled to get involved. I'm not watching the same player. I like him a lot and I'd be more excited about him than Pickford and Klaassen, but I don't think this tournament has added to his reputation, despite its generally poor defensive level. It has showed that he works hard, but we knew that already.

We have to hope the Dortmund news is just speculation, invented because they commonly target younger players. Imo they certainly won't be buying Sandro as a replacement for Aubemeyang – he is a very different player and doesn't run in behind in the same way. So many of Aubemeyang's goals come from through balls, whereas Sandro commonly shoots from outside/edge of the area and comes deep. He might be brought as a supplement but not as a replacement.

I also like Ihneacho, Dembele and Dolberg as potential other options.

Ray Roche
52 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:40:42
Stewart (#49),

Deulofeu has had nothing but good things to say about Everton and the fans. I have read that he was happy on Merseyside particularly with the reception he generally got from the fans so I don't know why you imagine he "wont have good things to say about Everton".

Do you have any factual evidence to back up your comment? I'm not having a go, I'm just interested.

Phil Jeffries
53 Posted 21/06/2017 at 11:44:43
On the previous thread, we had Geoff (#66) stating on 17 June that Sandro would sign the Wednesday after the Portugal game. This was when everyone else was saying 48 hours... just sayin!
Brian Harrison
54 Posted 21/06/2017 at 12:16:04
I only watched the second half of Spain v Portugal and thought Sandro did well. I can't believe he has a buyout clause of £5 million, in today's climate he is exceptionally cheap at that price.

Despite reportedly having passed a medical for Everton, he hasn't as yet signed. Can't blame him or his agent for delaying while still being able to impress other clubs while playing in the Under-21 tournament.

Lets hope we do sign him, as the Liverpool Echo are reporting that Lukaku has agreed personal terms with Chelsea, although the Echo also says Chelsea wont pay the £100 million asking price.

Now seeing as he still has 2 years of his contract to go, how as he been allowed to agree terms with Chelsea not agreeing to match Everton's valuation. The arrogance of Chelsea if this is true is unbelievable! Maybe we need to grow a pair and report them to the Premier League, as Southampton did to Liverpool.

Tony J Williams
55 Posted 21/06/2017 at 12:52:55
I reckon, let's start a rumour, that his personal terms includes some clause about getting sold to Atletico should they come in for him for a reasonable price.

I wouldn't worry about what Deulofeu says to him, as he's not wanted by Koeman, whereas Sandro clearly is.

Mark Morrissey
56 Posted 21/06/2017 at 14:45:05
A time for cool heads and not the time to lose em. Stay calm.
Dermot Byrne
57 Posted 21/06/2017 at 14:52:54
Let's have some mass hysteria, Mark M. Always funnier.
Jay Harris
58 Posted 21/06/2017 at 14:59:14
The first time I have looked at Sandro over the last two games I was very disappointed. I do not watch YouTube as I feel it gives a distorted view.

Apart from one excellent conversion, I felt he was mostly uninvolved and out of touch with the game especially considering it was only Under-21 and not the Premier league.

I just hope that those more in the know than me are right to rave about this guy.

That is, of course, if he signs.

Andrew Ellams
59 Posted 21/06/2017 at 15:04:43
Well, Sky Sports News now have this as their No 1 most likely to happen "whisper" at 5 stars. So who knows really.

I think it will happen but, as many have already said, the lad is otherwise occupied right now. Will you all be expecting and demanding signatures this time next year when players are on World Cup duty?

Brian Williams
60 Posted 21/06/2017 at 15:20:10
Sandro's reluctance to sign is down to Everton not being willing to have a release clause inserted into his contract that would allow Atletico, and Atletico only, to buy him for €10m. Everton wanted it limited to the January 2018 window only... hence the impasse.
Tony Waring
61 Posted 21/06/2017 at 15:26:33
Anyone see the goal he scored for Spain U21s last night and the superb pass from Deulofeu to make it?
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
62 Posted 21/06/2017 at 16:09:39
I think a few did, Tony. We even put up a special thread last night just for it – including a vid showing that smashing goal.
Geoff Lambert
63 Posted 21/06/2017 at 16:09:51
I am still waiting for news also...
But hoping to hear some good news soon.

Not heard anything to say it's not happening.

Ken Buckley
64 Posted 21/06/2017 at 16:20:58
Brian @ 60

If that is correct then the vetting of the player using Walsh's in-depth method is surely flawed.

Brian Williams
65 Posted 21/06/2017 at 16:24:01
Ken (#64).

Ken I'm finding it really difficult to reply as my tongue has become somewhat "stuck" in my cheek. ;-)

Paul Kossoff
66 Posted 21/06/2017 at 18:06:30
What I'm afraid of is we will sell Lukaku and end up with a cheap makeshift replacement, the likes of Austin or Rodriguez from Southampton, or Deeney from Watford.

I hope we get Sandro in but has he 20+ goals in him? Dominic Calvert-Lewin certainly hasn't,

If Rom goes, we need at least two strikers in, but I won't hold my breath for top class coming in.

Brian Williams
67 Posted 21/06/2017 at 18:11:14
Well, Paul, you shouldn't be afraid you should have a little faith and use a bit of common sense as well.

Koeman's just not going to do that after making two very good early signings and then follow it up with the likes of Deeney, ffs.

Mike Doyle
68 Posted 21/06/2017 at 18:14:36
Brian (#60) may well be correct, as such release clauses seem to be becoming standard practice.

However, surely something needs to give as the recruitment of two capable strikers must be our highest priority (I would have thought).

Mike Doyle
69 Posted 21/06/2017 at 18:19:14
However, if indeed he really wants to join Atletico at the first opportunity, perhaps we should steer clear. Little point trying to sign anyone who wants to be elsewhere.

The "Great Man Shanks" only wanted players who wanted to play for his team and was happy to pass on / say goodbye to anyone who didn't. Seemed to work for him.

Brian Williams
70 Posted 21/06/2017 at 18:37:05
Tony J (#55). Check out #60...

See what you've done!!!!!

Paul Kossoff
71 Posted 21/06/2017 at 18:58:22
Brian (#67), I hope you're right in the faith you are showing, let's see who we have signed if and when Lukaku goes. I promise I'll try to be more positive as you are.

Do you think Sandro is Rom's replacement?

Lev Vellene
72 Posted 21/06/2017 at 19:14:54
Brian, that would be a very stupid clause for even Everton (...) to agree to anyway, January 18 or any time after that!

Even with you having your tongue stuck in your cheek, we all have to actually consider whether your 'joke' is not quite close to the truth... :D

I can understand him distancing himself to concentrate on the U21 tournament, though!

Brian Williams
73 Posted 21/06/2017 at 19:19:17
Paul (#71).

I think Sandro is just one of three strikers we'll sign, if he signs, tbh mate.
Lev (#72). Please look at #55.

Lev Vellene
74 Posted 21/06/2017 at 19:27:33
Brian (#73),

I did take a long breath, then looked though it all again. And I hoped I'd be able to edit my post before I looked too foolish... And I did! Almost... Hah! Too bad you caught me with my knickers down... ;D

Bill Gienapp
75 Posted 21/06/2017 at 19:35:29
I peg this one at 50/50 right now. No need to panic or assume the worst, though I'm also not getting excited until I actually see him wearing the shirt.

I think that's a good approach to have when it comes to transfers in general – you're apt to go mad otherwise.

Brian Williams
77 Posted 21/06/2017 at 19:42:02
Sorry Lev, not meant to embarass anyone, just trying to lighten the panic mode most have gone into over the "will he/won't he?" story! :-)
Lev Vellene
78 Posted 21/06/2017 at 19:53:23
Brian (#77), I was in the normal panic mode of most Evertonians! I got your point the minute after I posted, and I almost laughed too long to edit my original post! And someone still saw it posted... Dang! ;D
Phil Bellis
79 Posted 21/06/2017 at 20:17:03
Sod Sandro! Sign the Mexico U-21 team... Remember the Alamo!
John Graham
80 Posted 21/06/2017 at 21:48:35
Doesn't matter if we sign him or not I am sure there will be other options that have been discussed and maybe already contacted. As with any players who we sign I would sooner he walks into the ground full of excitement and optimism rather than be here just because his other opportunities have fallen through.

As has been said before I expect at least two new strikers before the start of the season.

Philip Jeffries
81 Posted 22/06/2017 at 00:39:38
Okay, time for reality check. I've been engulfed in the 'Sandro' saga just like everyone else. But it's only just dawned on me that the window hasn't even opened and we have spend £54m in June!!!

Time to sit back and see what the next 4 weeks will deliver. I think we may need to be careful regarding the FFP rules on total spend.

If Lukaku goes, gloves are off. Either way, nice to see Everton do early business and we will be playing football in just over a month, so time to trust Koeman and Walsh to get it right.

Andrew Presly
82 Posted 22/06/2017 at 01:19:28
Sandro's not signing. It's not a major shock to Evertonians older than 25. We bungle these things annually. Bi-annually.

Keep Lukaku and play him up front next season, he'll score 25-30 goals. Sell after him scoring two scuffed penalties in the failed Martinez World Cup campaign for £75m

Stoke at home first day with no Lukaku?

James Watts
83 Posted 22/06/2017 at 02:35:55
I don't understand the doom, gloom & panic people are working themselves in too.

We've bid. He's supposedly had his medical and agreed terms. He's playing out the rest of the tournament before sorting his future out. Like he said he would. What's the problem? This isn't Bungling Bill days anymore.

And what if he doesn't sign/changes his mind? It's hardly the end of the world. He's decent but no Messi. We'll just move on to other targets who do want to play for us but let's not shoot him or Everton down just yet, eh?

Colin Metcalfe
84 Posted 22/06/2017 at 03:48:58
Andrew (#82) – you seem certain he is not signing... do you know something we don't?
Ernie Baywood
85 Posted 22/06/2017 at 03:59:50
I never understood the view that it's just Everton who have transfer deals drag out.

Surely anyone who will improve us will take a look at their options before committing?

This is dragging out, that tells me the player thinks he's a chance to do better. Sounds terrible, but I want players who think they are better than 7th!

Andrew Presly
86 Posted 22/06/2017 at 04:38:07
Colin (#84),

I know that we have gone down the "He's all but signed" route for a player who'll join Dortmund, Sevilla or similar next term.

We pulled this part-time rubbish with Pickford then someone realised we might have to go and actually sign the guy rather than agree "in principle" fees.

Let's sit back, relax and see Sandro win the U21 Euros and sign for Everton for £5.2M, ffs

It doesn't matter hugely as he'd be a Lucas Perez type anyway. Selling Lukaku would be much more emblematic of small-time Everton but the fact we can't get this old looking kid in within a sensible time window smacks seasoned observers as being "typical Everton".

James Watts
87 Posted 22/06/2017 at 05:46:57
Andrew (#86).

I count myself as a seasoned observer, but we are entering a period that is not "typical Everton". To not see that is a bit silly, don't you think?

And why is it Everton's fault, which you seem to imply? From what the kid said before the Euros started, he wants to wait until the end of said Euros before deciding on his future. What's wrong with that? It has nothing to do with our "part-time rubbish".

There is no "in principal fee" agreement. We'll met the release clause if he wants to come to us. We can't force him to sign now but waiting another week or so for him to finish up then sign is hardly a big deal is it? Who's to say he hasn't told Ron that he'll sign once the Euros have finished as he wants to concentrate on that?

And if he doesn't want to come, well good luck to him. We'll move on to other targets. He's hardly a world beater.

Andrew Presly
88 Posted 22/06/2017 at 06:36:57
Got to call it as I see it, James. I'm not a negative man. I'm wearing a "Hibbert Scores, We Riot" t-shirt in a public place, this very minute. I always want to believe.

Nobody else was in for Pickford & Davy Klaassen though, so nothing to bungle. This lad, we've bungled it. As you said, he's pretty crap anyway, but still.

James Watts
89 Posted 22/06/2017 at 06:56:59
Ohhh need to get myself of one those t shirts!

I don't think we've bungled it. There are many reasons why he may not have signed yet, but I just can't see that one of them is because we messed up. There isn't a whole lot to mess up as the fee was the easy part.

And I didn't say he was crap, he's just not a world beater right now from the games I've seen him play in. But he has time. Whether that is with us or not we'll no doubt see in the next week or so.

Stay positive fella! It's a brave new world!

Laurie Hartley
90 Posted 22/06/2017 at 07:16:35
I will be very disappointed if he doesn't sign for us – he looks a cracking player to me.

His movement to get on the end of Deulofeu's pass for his goal against Portugal was absolute class.

We will see – I haven't given up hope just yet.

James Watts
91 Posted 22/06/2017 at 07:23:18
The Echo still seem very certain he'll sign, Laurie. Not sure the weight that has but fingers crossed.

I'm still very confident he'll come. But I'm also confident we'll get someone else decent if he doesn't.

Not worried like I would have been pre Moshiri.

Jon Bentley
92 Posted 22/06/2017 at 07:46:21
It's done.


Well... 99.9999% done!!

Denver Daniels
93 Posted 22/06/2017 at 07:48:06
All done and dusted according to the Echo. Happy days.
Colin Glassar
94 Posted 22/06/2017 at 07:54:40
This guy looks decent. I'll get excited if we get Dembele and keep Rom.
James Watts
95 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:03:02
There you go, Andrew. Good things come to those who wait! 😁
Will Mabon
96 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:17:50
Album of the day: Fleetwood Mac, Rumours.
Zahir Jaffer
97 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:29:26
James (#95), Good Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.
Jamie Sweet
98 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:30:29
If he's not pictured wearing the shirt today, I'll buy you all a pint.
Jim Lloyd
99 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:38:47
Well, the Echo's reporting that he's signed...
Good LP, Will.
Kunal Desai
100 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:41:23
That's a bold statement, Jamie. We know what 'imminent' means for Everton – probably another 48-72 hours.

In any case, keep a chilled Peroni on standby for me please. :-)

Colin Glassar
101 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:44:29
Being announced later today, apparently. If so, then I'm happy to be proven wrong and I hope the same goes for Sigurdsson.
James Morgan
102 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:45:48
Phew! I like the look of him, especially for £5.2m.

If it doesn't work out, we would likely recoup our money, if it does then we've got a real bargain, and if it works out and he eventually leaves in a few years we would make a big profit.

A winning deal all round.

Mike Allison
103 Posted 22/06/2017 at 08:46:22
There's always one who orders Peroni isn't there? You're getting Carling.
Jamie Sweet
104 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:06:38
There's actually some left-over barrels of Chang which need using up before we get some proper stuff in!
Geoff Lambert
105 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:13:14
Was all done yesterday – and Keane to follow.
Chris James
106 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:19:11
Fingers crossed, as we've all said I think this is a great support/second striker option. We'll need two more though with Lukaku and others departing.

Dembele would certainly be worth a shot (although scoring for fun in SPL isn't necessarily proof of much).

Appreciate he's out the door, but would be super interesting to see Lukaku play alongside someone like this – ie, direct target man alongside someone with guile in a Hazard/Silva style.

I know people will say we sort of tried this with Barkley but I don't think it's the same, Ross just isn't quick thinking enough to play in this role – when he can operate on pure instinct it works, when he has options it all tends to fall apart.

Geoff Lambert
107 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:21:32
Tim (#27), that's one half done; I will keep you updated on part two.
Sam Hoare
108 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:30:31
It's back on (was never off)!

I think he'll be good for us. A really hard working forward with good movement and the potential to score from distance.

I'm not so sure about Sigurdsson now we have Klaassen and Swansea are talking about £40m. I'd be looking for a more mobile playmaker in the Mahrez, Silva or Eriksen style. I still like Boudebouz as a value option.

Then for Michael Keane and most crucially to sort the Lukaku question.

Will Mabon
109 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:36:05
Careful Geoff, you'll blow your cover.
Chris James
110 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:38:10
What do we think of Iheanacho. If £25M is quoted, that doesn't seem crazy.
He's looked dangerous when given a chance but clearly isn't quite big enough a name to push out Aguero and whoever else they sign this year at Man City.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/06/21/leicester-plan-25m-move-man-city-striker-kelechi-iheanacho/

RE: Sam #108 - I think £40M is a lot for Sigurdsson, but I'm sure that's not what would actually be paid (ie, we're not getting £100M for Lukaku, probably more like £80M tops) but equally I think he's a smarter, tidier and more dangerous attacker than Barkley who would create a lot of chances and weigh in with goals too. You'd have to be hoping for like 15 assists and 10 goals say (based on what he's achieved to date).

Geoff Lambert
111 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:38:33
Will! I was a regular in the Boys Pen, you know!!!!
Daniel Lim
112 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:38:45
Geoff (#105),

Yeah, I was looking for you earlier...

Daniel Lim
113 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:43:46
I'm greedy, Geoff. Who is signing after Keane?

I'm getting very excited now as I'm going to watch Transformer, bring my son, this is his first movie. One day I will be even more excited when I bring him to our new Bramley-Moore Dock stadium.

Brian Williams
114 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:44:15
"Nobody else was in for Pickford & Davy Klaassen though, so nothing to bungle. This lad, we've bungled it. As you said, he's pretty crap anyway, but still."

No, the above is crap!!

Andrew Ellams
115 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:46:10
I think there is room for Klaassen and Sigurdsson in the same team. Klaassen will play a bit deeper and make runs into the box whilst Sigurdsson controls that area behind the strikers. In fact, they could actually be quite an exciting combination.
Geoff Lambert
116 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:47:46
Andrew! Good shout, mate.
Colin Glassar
117 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:48:20
Daniel, it sounds like we are offering McCarthy plus cash for Keane. That makes sense to me.
James Hughes
118 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:50:39
BBC are reporting the deal was completed yesterday and will be formally announced today.
Daniel Lim
119 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:52:41
Ha Colin, I chose to believe that Keane's signing.
As I said I was greedy, I would want Geoff to spill more beans...

Getting all excited, transformers, Sandro and NBA draft tonight.

Andrew Ellams
120 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:52:47
McCarthy would be a great signing for Burnley and Keane for us. Everybody would be a winner there.
David Gallant
121 Posted 22/06/2017 at 09:56:29
Well, i'm glad that's sorted. Sandro will be a cracking signing, possibly the best in a long time. The price is irrelevant (release clause dictates), he's worth far more than that. And the fact he models his game on David Villa bodes very well. If he turns out half as good, I'll be chuffed.

Agreed that Sigurdsson and Klaassen can (and hopefully will) play in the same team. I think Klaassen and Davies will compete for the same spot, with Gylfi in the #10 role. £40m for proven Premier League quality in that role is not over the top in my opinion. The more so if its offset by whatever we recoup on any potential Ross Barkley sale.

On Barkley, I have a suspicion he's been told by Koeman that he's not going to be an automatic starter and that is why he's not signed the contract on offer. If we do get Sigurdsson, I reckon that will spell taxi-time for young Ross.

It'll be a real pity, but as others have mentioned he just doesn't have the quality football brain / decisiveness in the final third that a really top class #10 should have. I really wanted him to succeed, but after all this time he's been found out at the highest level.

If we get Keane and Sigurdsson (and another striker, if Rom does leave, which is looking rather inevitable), I'll be delighted with our business. COYB!!

Sam Hoare
122 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:08:25
Andrew, what formation would you see that being (with Sigurdsson and Klaassen)?

Brian Williams
123 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:09:03
David (#121).

I think if Lukaku leaves we'll be in the market for another two strikers.

Theoretically Sandro is a replacement for Kone which still leaves us with only two strikers, not enough IMO, three minimum required this season and four would be more sensible tbh.

Whether Lukaku goes or not I'd love to see Dembele brought in. If Lukaku leaves, then for me it would be Demblele, Iheanacho, plus another.

Playing next season with two mobile, tricky, pacey strikers would be a joy. Would increase the speed of the build up play from midfield too as there'd be many more options open to them.

Rob Young
124 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:11:38
Chris (#110)

I rate Iheanacho, think he would be great for us. Not hearing much about him at the moment which I find very stange – sure would be a surprise if he ended up at Leicester City.

Depends on what's happening with Lukaku in a way, I guess. But if we're getting big money for him then Iheanacho will hardly be a risky investment.

Rob Halligan
125 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:11:55
Slightly off topic, but still talking of transfers, see that gobshite John Aldridge is encouraging Virgil van Dijk to go on strike in order to enforce a transfer to the RS.

The RS have been found out for tapping up the player, although no sanction was enforced, and said they would not pursue the player any longer, and yet this gobshite is still encouraging VVD to go on strike.

This club, and all of its ex players are one big load of scum.

Chris Williams
126 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:17:15
From the footage I've seen, and the comments from knowledgeable folk like Erik about Klaassen, about the best analogy I can come up with for Sigurdssen and Klaassen would be Arteta and Cahill.
Gordon Crawford
127 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:22:44
It was never in doubt. I really do hope he becomes a cracking signing for us.

Colin (101), I'm not sure about spending the money quoted on Sigurdsson, £40m is a lot for someone who isn't very spectacular. What about Mahrez, Mata, Ramsey, Max Meyer, Arda Turan, Fabregas, Nolito etc.

Andrew Ellams
128 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:24:44
Rob, I saw that. I can only guess that the summer is not going well at Mordor.
Brian Williams
129 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:30:33
How about Keane and Van Dijk as our new centre back pairing? Hehehehe!
Derek Thomas
130 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:45:28
Lukaku will be announced on 1st July. A brand new signing for a brand new Club (sort of), wearing his brand new shirt providers shirt, complete with brand new sponsor on the front.
Dermot Byrne
131 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:48:13
Lol, Andrew. Not a happy place methinks. They will probably still outspend us and have bought 70% crap. Poor old Aldo!
Chris Williams
132 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:49:30
Derek, there was a report to that effect back end of last week, and it has a hint of reality about it. You can't offend the new sponsors these days!
Paul Ferry
133 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:50:34
Couldn't agree more Rob (125).

This hurts, but I do have to recommend 'Aldo's' scouse recipe. The gobshite looks a right tool in his chef's hat but the recipe is top-drawer I'm afraid.

Colin Glassar
134 Posted 22/06/2017 at 10:56:33
Rob, I was going to comment on that but I've been told that I convert too many threads into anti-RS rants. So, I'll keep me gob shut except to say that, if I was the Home Secretary I'd have fucking Aldridge locked up for bringing the game into disrepute. And I'd throw away the keys!!
Andrew Ellams
135 Posted 22/06/2017 at 11:04:26
Dermot, well it look as though they are about to shell out £35million on a guy who couldn't get a kick at Chelsea.
David Gallant
136 Posted 22/06/2017 at 11:13:30
Brian (#123), I hear you. If (when) Rom leaves, I do think we'll be in the market for another striker. I doubt whether Koeman will be in the market for another two, however.

I think he rates Dominic Calvert-Lewin very highly and I believe this player will develop into a very useful option up-front. His physique and hold-up play will be a real asset, and I think he knows where the net is too.

Don't forget, he is very young.

Work-rate is a huge thing for Koeman, regardless of which position on the pitch you play. The first thing he mentioned about Klaassen was not his skill, technique, etc but "he works hard and likes to press" – I think this is a basic prerequisite for playing in a Koeman team, and incidentally, is another reason I think he's not too perturbed about the prospect of losing Barkley.

Obviously its not all about that, skill and technique, etc do come into it – but I think he likes players who are skillful and work hard. Sigurdsson being another classic example.

Trevor Lynes
137 Posted 22/06/2017 at 11:21:04
EFC delegation have been reported as finalizing the Sandro signing. I was a bit worried as Geri may have advised Sandro off us!

What would be great is for Lukaku to now remain and work with our reinforced squad to make a 'proper fist' next season both domestically and in Europe.

That would be the ultimate smack in the eye for this pesky media who depict us as a small club who cannot keep our best players.

Amit Vithlani
138 Posted 22/06/2017 at 11:36:23
The guy is 5'-7"? I think he will be used in a front 3. We still need to keep Rom or ensure we have a very good replacement lined up to play as the central striker.

Still this is good work by Everton. Keep it coming.

Brian Harrison
139 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:02:32
Delighted with the signing – the one thing that was noticeable was he works very hard, and I like the fact that he got across the first defender to score his goal.

I have to agree with Rob about Aldridge suggesting that VVD goes on strike. I wonder if he would have suggested that Suarez did that when Arsenal met his release clause.

But how did the Daily Mirror get the quote and even more importantly why print it? I would hope that Southampton tell him he can sign for anyone but not them, unless he waits till his 5-year contract is up.

Also, I thought they released a statement apologizing and saying they have no further interest in the player.

David Ellis
142 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:19:23
He has signed, according to the Echo:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-news-live-sandro-13218843

Kim Vivian
143 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:23:18
I never quite understand about release clauses. Is it not the case that the release clause is a figure above which an offer has to be made in order to get the interest of the services of a particular player, and not the figure for which he will necessarily be sold?

So for example if someone was to come in and offer say £10M, £15M, £20M or whatever for Ramirez, so long as all parties are amenable, wouldn't that determine his destination?

This is a pure hypothetical, and I only use Sandro because this is his thread. I thoroughly believe this deal will be over the line imminently... And to pick up on Will Mabon's musical theme...

Wouldn't it be nice! (From probably one of the top 5 albums of all time!)

Erik Dols
144 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:30:46
Kim (#143) – why on earth would a club offer more than the release clause?
Raymond Fox
145 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:37:42
I hope to god he has/will sign, then we can put it to bed.
Paul Kelly
146 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:40:47
Interesting on the release clause, unfortunate the next bit is about them.

RS owner at the time talking about Arsenal triggering Dobbin's release clause:

"“But what we've found over the years is that contracts don't seem to mean a lot in England - actually not in England, in world football. It doesn't matter how long a player's contract is, he can decide he's leaving."

He then goes on to say,

"“Since apparently these contracts don't seem to hold, we took the position we're just not selling and it's been great for Luis, it's been great for us, and what will happen at the end of year. I think we're going to make Champions League and we have a small chance of winning the Premier League this year."

Couldn't help but smile at the last bit, ha.

Seems a player only has to be informed of the bid from what I can decipher. Club don't have to sell but that means a player can agitate for a move, which often happens.

David Ellis
147 Posted 22/06/2017 at 12:52:08
Kim (#143) – you are correct in theory. But in practice once a club has met the release clause amount then they wouldn't need to pay any more to the selling club so no need bid higher.

If there is competition for the player's services then the competition will be all about how much to pay the player in wages/signing on fee. The club has to sell to anyone meeting the release clause amount so no-one will bid higher than that.

However the signing on fee to the player may be substantial – as much as the transfer fee itself if the release clause is set too low and there is competition for the signature of the player.

Sam Hoare
148 Posted 22/06/2017 at 13:18:26
Some unreliable rumours suggesting we are looking at Domenico Berardi. Talented playmaker who has managed to get a good amount of goals and assists for a pretty mediocre team.

He was very highly rated a year or two ago but hasn't really pushed on yet which might give us a chance to steal in under the Champions League clubs' noses.

He could be a risk and might well go the way of Erik Lamela but still I think its the kind of risk worth taking; young talent with the potential to push us into the top 4 if he joins Stella in getting his groove back.

Peter Gorman
149 Posted 22/06/2017 at 13:31:41
I seem to recall Chris 'Chris' Kamara relating an anecdote about Everton once bidding one pound sterling over Mark Schwarzer's release clause. Christopher 'Kammy' Kamara knew Middlesborough were interested so he contacted them, cheekily exaggerated our bid and successfully sold Schwarzer to Boro for an extra few hundred thousand.

I never quite understood why both bids weren't accepted in the end.

Kim Vivian
150 Posted 22/06/2017 at 13:43:44
So who decides how much a player under contract may be sold for?

If we have bid £5.2m and therefore triggered the release clause for Sandro, what's to stop say Dortmund offering more, eg £10m? (That was my hypothetical point Erik. It could be £5.3m but that is hardly a statement of intent).

Sure, personal terms and so on will have a bearing on the player's own decision as much as the attraction of one cub over another or a number of others, but surely the selling club will want to do the best they can and are a major part of the deal.

I may be being a bit dense but I don't really get the point of a low release clause.

Ian Reed
151 Posted 22/06/2017 at 13:54:36
Kim, a player moving to a new club, like Sandro when he went to Malaga, may think "Okay, so this is a decent move for now, but I don't want to be stuck here if it turns out there's interest in me from bigger clubs soon", so he may insist on a release clause. Obviously this would have to be at an agreed level between the player (agent) and new club before the contract's signed. For Sandro, £5.2m seems really low, but this is what was stipulated in his contract.

Twelve months later, for example, a club may come in for the player with a bid below the release clause. The club who owns the player could say "Bugger off", and the player wouldn't have any justification to complain.

If a new bid comes in that matches the release clause, the owning club would have to 'accept' the bid. The player would decide if he's interested in moving to the bidding club, and negotiate personal terms. If another club also decides they want to buy him, all they have to do is match the release clause as well, after which they can also negotiate personal terms with the player.

There's no point anybody bidding over a release clause, as the player can negotiate with any team that matches the release clause. It all comes down to the personal terms and the player's decision.

Chris Gould
152 Posted 22/06/2017 at 13:57:07
Kim, why would Dortmund pay more than the release clause?
Any club who triggers the release clause can then discuss terms with the player. Malaga get no say in it.
If more than one club trigger the release clause then the player decides which of those clubs he wishes to sign for (he could also reject all of them).
So, if Everton and Dortmund both trigger his release clause then they need to convince Sandro. Dortmund may not be able to offer the financial package that we can, but they would hope to sway it by being able to offer Champs League.
There is no need to outbid another club. Even if you did, the club that bid less, but still triggered the release clause, would still get the player if the player chose them.

Just read your comment, Ian. There was no need for my post. Very well explained.

Sam Hoare
153 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:07:13
Kim, the point of a release clause is that the selling club is contractually obligated to accept every offer at that price. They cannot then 'choose' a higher offer. That's why there is no bidding war when a release clause is involved. It's simply up to the player to choose which club and which terms he (or she) wants.
Ian Reed
154 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:08:03
Actually, Chris, I thought your explanation was far more succinct – I always go too wordy. :-)
Brian Williams
155 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:29:49
Kim. The low release clause was more than likely insisted on by Sandro himself.

Being upset at not getting a new contract with Barça he went to Malaga on a free knowing he was better than Malaga if you like. He probably had the release clause set that low so he could move easily in the near future.

He would probably have said to Malaga that he wouldn't go there if the release clause wasn't at the figure he wanted. They'd have agreed because they were getting a Barça player on a free and if/when he did leave they get €6M.

Capisce?

Kim Vivian
156 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:30:30
Player power, eh? That clears that up.

I guess I was kind of viewing it a bit like an auction reserve in my ignorance.

David Graves
157 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:36:07
Kim

Due to the relatively low figure he negotiated into the release clause, Sandro will be getting a massive signing on fee from his new club and significantly enhanced personal terms.

Player power indeed.

Paul Kelly
158 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:43:45
I don't think the club that holds the players contract has to agree to sell, contractually/uncontractually, only inform the player of the bid, maybe wrong.

Mr Hoare (said that to a bird once and got smacked in the mouth, weirdly/deservedly). Your knowledge on players is quite broad, just how much togger you watch a week?

Brian Williams
159 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:44:08
I actually have a low release clause set with my Mrs, though she doesn't know it. :-)
Paul Kelly
160 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:50:27
I'll save yer Brian, Mrs Williams, I offer you; a left-footed flip flop and an empty pizza box (still with dip for crusts).

ps / Disclaimer: "an empty box still with dips" is not a sexual connotation of any sort!

Brian Williams
161 Posted 22/06/2017 at 14:57:29
Bid accepted, Paul, now get me the flock out of here!!
Daniel Lim
162 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:10:19
Where is the picture of Sandro wearing the Sportpesa shirt or holding the scarf?

Even the autobots have finished saving the Earth...

*Yawn*

Andrew Ellams
163 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:16:17
On the subject of Sportpesa, interesting to see that the FA has decided to terminate all links with gambling organisations. Will there now be a push for clubs to do the same?
Michael Penley
164 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:19:54
I hope so, Andrew. Gambling needs to be extinguished once and for all so we all can spend our money on sensible things, like toilet paper and orange jaffa cakes.
David Graves
167 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:23:07
Daniel,

You were anticipating the new film with a healthy sense of optimism and I'm sure you discussed the exciting times a head with your son. Unfortunately it appears that you've been left disappointed and underwhelmed.

Sport imitates art imitates life?

Andrew Ellams
168 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:23:45
Michael, I like that idea. Jaffa Cakes across the front of the shirt, Andrex on the sleeves, and maybe something safe like Vimto on the back.
Brian Williams
169 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:24:05
Michael. I agree with regard to gambling. Bet you it won't be extinguished tho!!
Daniel Lim
170 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:37:06
David, can't really say it's disappointing but the previous 4 were definitely better.

One of the reasons I was excited before the movie was I thought I would see the confirmation of Sandro deal once I'm out of the cinema. (That's definitely more exciting than watching autobots fighting)

Pete Cross
171 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:44:40
Brian (#155), he left Barça on a "Gosling" – costly mistake.

Apart from Barça, everyone wins.

Gordon Crawford
172 Posted 22/06/2017 at 15:59:33
I was joking earlier, but I'm hearing that Dortmund have actually made a bid for him. Anyone know if he has actually signed?
Brian Williams
173 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:00:42
Yeh Pete, a free. This was down to Barca's inefficiency which meamt they didnt even get a development fee for him.
Dermot Byrne
174 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:08:07
Does anyone know if the club has ever said anything about this player, especially if we have signed him or even carried out a medical?
Fran Mitchell
175 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:13:22
Anxiously waiting this confirmation so we can start debating the next one to come in.

Hoping to hear of a bid of £15 Million for that Sessegnon at Fulham.

Ray Roche
176 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:23:29
Gordon, there is nothing at all on the "Newsnow" Dortmund site regarding Sandro. Newsnow usually carries all rumours or articles containing the name of the club you're interested in.
James Stewart
178 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:24:16
Keane will be next I think, talks ongoing. Complicated by McCarthy deal.

Sigurdsson will be a tricky deal to do, the player isn't one to force a move and Swansea will demand a king's ransom. Great player but there are better options at £40m for me.

Andrew Ellams
179 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:30:04
Ray, there's a couple of rumours doing the rumours online regarding Dortmund's interest. None from any of the more reliable sites though.
Steve Brown
180 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:32:31
If this comes off, it wraps up a brilliant set of early signings ably led by Steve Walsh. He is definitely leading the recruitment drive this summer with the results self evident, compared to the bumbling mess that Kenwright engineered last summer.

It finally feels that this club is becoming professional commercially and operationally.

Steve Brown
181 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:33:48
Bring in Keane, Sigurdsson, another forward and a right back and we are set.
Ray Roche
182 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:33:53
Andrew, let's hope they're nothing but rumours.
Steve Brown
183 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:36:41
My guess is that he wants regular first team football to boost his chance of making the Spanish world cup squad. He wont get that at Dortmund, hence why hopefully this will come off.
Darryl Ritchie
184 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:51:06
Echo reporting that he has signed. Everton to announce soon. £5.2 million. No other details.
Alex Higgins
185 Posted 22/06/2017 at 16:54:13
BBC now reporting Everton have signed Sandro. More to follow.
Kieran Kinsella
186 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:01:07
Finally! I thought we had another Muller situation, a la Mike Walker.
David Chait
187 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:03:20
Echo absolutely convinced... I'm sold.
Brian Williams
188 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:04:05
No photo with the shirt yet, don't go running down the road naked ................yet!
Tom Hadley
189 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:04:41
You might all enjoy this article about how monumentally Barça fans and Spanish media believe they have fucked up to allow Sandro to fall into our laps at such a bargain price. Their loss is definitely our gain; cheers, Barça!

http://sportwitness.co.uk/player-edges-closer-signing-everton-demand-fans-receive-explanation/

Gordon Crawford
190 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:16:37
Brian (#188), sorry, what did you say? I'm out here running naked through the streets with my Sandro tattoo. :)
Chris Gould
191 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:28:52
Alex, BBC Sport haven't said that he's signed yet. They say we're set to sign Sandro. We've been 'set' to sign him for days!

The announcement was supposed to be today – according to the Echo – and yet... nothing.

Maybe the Echo have jumped the gun?

Brian Williams
192 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:32:48
Gordon (#190),

So many things I want to say here but I'd get banned *lol*.

Paul Birmingham
193 Posted 22/06/2017 at 17:36:14
I hope this is no RS-inspired Echo garbage trail. The fact he hadn't signed is a concern, I'm not expecting any more facts this side of the weekend. Let's hope this deal gets done soon.
Terence Tyler
194 Posted 22/06/2017 at 18:50:38
According to website Royal Blue Mersey, the hold-up is due to the fact Sandro wants to be able to move to a club of his choice, after one year of his four-year contract.
Brian Williams
195 Posted 22/06/2017 at 18:56:04
Terence (#194).

That's a downright ripoff of my stupid made up rumour on here, and just as fucking stupid!

Gordon Crawford
196 Posted 22/06/2017 at 19:04:09
Now I'm intrigued, Brian, lol. If we signed this guy yesterday, then what is the hold up?

I think someone is talking crap to be honest. We might have people talking to him right now, but it's not finalised or it would be "breaking news" on the official site.

Might have to get laser tattoo removal now. :(

Ray (#176) I hope your right. :)

Brian Williams
197 Posted 22/06/2017 at 19:08:46
Haha, Gordon. I'm feeling guilty now thinking I may have inadvertently brought this on us by making up a really daft rumour, only for one just as daft (but possibly true?) to rear it's ugly head on another site.

There is no way on earth Everton would agree to a deal like that.... surely!!??!

Oh and laser's gonna be painful in THAT area.

Kevin Jones
198 Posted 22/06/2017 at 19:52:31
Get in! England U21s 1 up.
Chris Gould
199 Posted 22/06/2017 at 19:58:59
Terence (#194), if there is any substance to that rumour then I hope we politely tell him to fuck himself.

He may think we're just a stepping stone and that he can treat us like Malaga. If that's the case, then I hope we move on swiftly. The release clause that he had inserted into his Malaga contract was a total piss take. Great for us, but disrespectful to Malaga. It meant that he had all the power and Malaga would get the fee of an average Championship player. Their fans are calling him a mercenary, and who can blame them?

I am keen for us to sign him, but not on his terms. If he just wants to use us for a decent payday until Atletico come calling, then his heart isn't in it, and we should look elsewhere.

Listen to the soundbites from both Klaassen and Pickford. They're thrilled to be here and clearly proud to be part of our great club. Those are the types of players that we need.

In saying all of that, I guess we're not yet in a position to be too fussy when it comes to top talent. Maybe getting him here would lead to him falling in love with the club? Who knows?

So... not really sure how I feel about something that is just another rumour that hasn't been substantiated by anyone who knows anything... I'm turning off the wifi.

Edit: it would seem that the source of this rumour/information is a Malaga radio station. Whether that makes it more believable is anyone's guess.


Tony Hill
200 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:05:13
I don't like any of this, it has smelled wrong from the start.
Len Hawkins
201 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:06:56
If Sandro likes a beer and a currywurst in a crusty roll, then I'm sorry Dortmund is the place to be. Some of the best beer I've tasted is brewed in Dortmund.

But if money floats his boat then the Murdoch £Millions + Mr Moshiri must set a course for Goodison Park.

Kim Vivian
202 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:18:21
Off topic but just to lessen the angst of waiting on Sandro – Assuming it happens, it will be interesting to see how Frank de Boer, who many championed on here, pans out at Palace.
Colin Glassar
203 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:34:12
I don't know if it's been mentioned but there's a rumour going around that he's prepared to sign a 4-year contract with the condition that he can leave after a year, if one of his preferred clubs make an offer for him. That's the sticking point.
Brian Williams
204 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:36:19
Come on Col, keep up! Yeh it's been mentioned!
Colin Glassar
205 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:36:26
Sorry, Terrence beat me to it. Stupid rumour!
Brian Williams
206 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:37:36
Surely no player would even suggest that to his prospective employer?
It's fucking ridiculous!
Rob Halligan
207 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:42:28
This was posted in the Red Echo website 2 hours ago by Greg O'Keeffe:

Just a note for anyone concerned that official radio silence from Everton so far today means the Sandro deal has somehow been derailed. It hasn't.

It is, as we reported first thing, done and dusted and it's now a case of what time the club officially want to announce it.

We're still pretty certain that'll be today but if not maybe they're waiting until the morning...

So it appears any delay in the announcement is down to the club, probably on Sandro's wishes after Spain play their semi-final.

Will Mabon
208 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:44:21
Brian, it's likely ridiculous but not impossible. If not now, then not long into the future, conditions and contract terms like that will become normal should player power continue as it is. One season contracts next...
Colin Glassar
209 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:44:46
Bullshit, Rob, Kenwright's lost his pen again.
Rob Halligan
210 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:47:10
Or bought a second class stamp instead of a first class, Colin. Second class post takes days to reach its destination.
Brian Williams
211 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:50:02
Will. They were discussing player power on TalkSport today and the presenters were praying for a club to make a stand and under certain circumstances let a player rot in the reserves.

Seems everybody's getting fed up of PP.

Edit. Just come to me. It was about Dick Van Dijk at Southampton.

Rob Halligan
212 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:51:56
Tell you what though, Colin. Some of these transfer dealings are more complicated and difficult to understand than that series Fortitude!!!
Kim Vivian
213 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:55:29
Good. I can sleep well.
Will Mabon
214 Posted 22/06/2017 at 20:57:21
Hmm – perhaps Britain will take on the contracts whilst Spain handles the tax issues. Seems someone, somewhere may have given a "Nod" recently.
Dermot Byrne
215 Posted 22/06/2017 at 21:11:39
Player and journalist power. Don't you love it.

Somewhere there is a club involved in this who have the bloody cheek of making their own decision when to announce a transfer. Disgrace.

We are all hyped up with stuff from the oracles at the Echo and how we are suffering.

A proud club should immediately comment on everything a journalist, pundit, player or agent says. After all they are the real bosses.

The club also owes it to fans to put us out of our hysterical misery every time a rumour starts.

Jesus the bloody cheek.

Eugene Ruane
216 Posted 22/06/2017 at 21:13:21
I don't care how good he is, the idea of any Everton player adopting a pose like this Link makes me want to vomit.
Karl Jones
217 Posted 22/06/2017 at 21:19:04
Size of that writing on Sky "Liverpool are our darlings" Sports, just cause the RS have made a signing. Its a wonder they're not playing "Walk alone" and flashing it around the screen in Red and White. Bet they don't do an article "Is Salah Worth 35 Million?"...That would be an outrage.
Colin Glassar
218 Posted 22/06/2017 at 21:29:27
Fortitude, Rob? What a load of codswallop that was. I'd rather have my teeth pulled out than watch that again.
Phil Bellis
219 Posted 22/06/2017 at 21:42:44
Is this the Salah from the Chelsea bench/reserves not on loan, a while back?
If so, he's improved a bit and something of a coup for the Norwegian songsters Que Salah...
Andy Crooks
220 Posted 22/06/2017 at 22:23:14
Eugene, we have tried rough (Duncan), pacey (Johnson)... Lukaku(?). It is about fucking time we tried something else and I reckon it is time for coy. Can you imagine how puzzled the Stoke defence will be?
John Smith
221 Posted 22/06/2017 at 22:45:35
Papertalk is now saying that Sandro wants a similar deal to Deulofeu. A deal where he can exit after the first year if he wants. Probably to Atletico.
Kunal Desai
222 Posted 22/06/2017 at 22:51:02
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-forced-wait-sandro-ramirez-10671610
Si Cooper
223 Posted 22/06/2017 at 22:56:51
Jamie Sweet, is that a pint each or one between us?

Has anything actually happened yet that can be confirmed? I haven't seen anything remotely like an official announcement yet Geoff Lambert appears to be patting himself on the back! Wasn't it Wednesday for Sandro, Thursday for Keane (and no concern about him being busy at a tournament)?

Geoff, you need to be providing more than you have on this thread if you are going to peddle supposed ITK gold. I'd rather not know until something has been completed than all this "It's coming soon, I've got a good source." pause and repeat melodrama.

Brian Williams
224 Posted 22/06/2017 at 22:57:15
#222. Maybe sheds light on the "bogus" rumour regarding a clause to leave Everton after a year.

Seems to me Malaga are well pissed off and intend to make things as difficult as possible.

Jamie Sweet
225 Posted 22/06/2017 at 23:02:54
Si, it's a pint for all of you and an apology for getting carried away.

However, I'd like to offer double or quits that it happens tomorrow instead!

Brian Williams
226 Posted 22/06/2017 at 23:05:07
Can't see it being tomorrow tbh.
James Marshall
227 Posted 22/06/2017 at 23:34:27
From what I understand, it's Malaga holding things up – they're pissed off about losing him on the cheap.
Pete Cross
228 Posted 22/06/2017 at 23:59:50
The Echo say he's signed... maybe he has.

The Mirror says Malaga are dragging their feet and Everton have sent over the club secretary to sort it out; I feel a lot more positive it will happen now.

Martin Nicholls
229 Posted 23/06/2017 at 00:06:23
My guess is that any announcement will be delayed (at Malaga's insistence) until the Spanish transfer window opens on 1st July.
Si Cooper
230 Posted 23/06/2017 at 00:25:55
Double or quits it is Jamie, as far as I'm concerned. I'm hoping your luck changes soon!
Si Cooper
231 Posted 23/06/2017 at 00:28:43
Why would you think that, Martin? The only thing that makes sense to me is that the player still hasn't committed himself.
Craig Harrison
232 Posted 23/06/2017 at 02:08:36
Pete (#228). Lets hope the club secretary is a 6'-4" Russian called Dimitri.
Martin Nicholls
233 Posted 23/06/2017 at 07:05:31
Si – I'm just taking reports that Malaga are being "awkward" at face value. It has been reported that we have agreed terms with Sandro and that he has passed a medical.

Assuming it is also correct that we are prepared to meet the buyout clause, the only way in which Malaga could block the transfer is to refuse to do business until their transfer window officially opens.

Colin Glassar
235 Posted 23/06/2017 at 08:09:43
Actually Craig, it's Ms Mabel O'Blimey, 62, from Aigburth Liverpool. Single, no kids. Ms O'Blimey has been making Kenwright his tea for the last 15 years and also darns his socks. Bill refers to her as 'the deal closer'.
Dermot Byrne
236 Posted 23/06/2017 at 08:26:10
Si (#223)... agree with you and was trying to make that point at #174 and to some extent #215.

Latest from the Mirror: "His club Malaga have placed every obstacle in the way of a swift conclusion to the transfer because of the low clause inserted by the player when he moved to them a year ago."

What this is based on is anyone's guess and I reckon just guesswork to fit a delay.

If I was a modern journo, I would go onto the like of TW, read what concerns fans, make up a story to amplify that fear, and then watch my readership/hit rate increase!

Latest from Times/Sun/Mirror etc

"Pickford Deal in Danger of Being Reversed in Brussels Standoff.

Football insiders are telling me that, in a shock development... blaah blah."

Pete Cross
237 Posted 23/06/2017 at 08:56:52
My mates mate who has a caravan in Spain has just informed me Malaga want a £2 mill admin fee plus 2% for using a credit card.
Andrew Ellams
238 Posted 23/06/2017 at 08:58:01
In the meantime, why are Sky Sports News running the "Is Pickford worth £30 million" story again on their Transfer Centre page and not "Why have Liverpool paid £35 million for a bloke who played for Chelsea and couldn't hack it in English football"?
Kim Vivian
239 Posted 23/06/2017 at 09:02:04
Andrew. It's a pretty good report about Pickford – confirming the wisdom of our purchase. They are short of news and he is certainly a more interesting read than some new RedShite about who, frankly, I couldn't give a donkey's tit.
Colin Glassar
240 Posted 23/06/2017 at 09:08:46
The reports on Pickford have been very good so far. I think the media, in general, have been positive. No surprise that 'their' latest signing is dominating the back pages today. They (the media) are already hinting at a possible quadruple.

Back to Pickford though. Has anyone noticed he has an extremely large bottom? He either wears very tight shorts or he has a Bantu-esque sized rear end.

Ray Roche
241 Posted 23/06/2017 at 09:12:04
Dermot (#236),

"Latest from Times/Sun/Mirror etc"

"Concerns about the size of Pickford's arse. Theresa May heckled. Could this mean a hard Brexit" etc, etc.

Will Mabon
242 Posted 23/06/2017 at 09:51:37
"Back to Pickford though. Has anyone noticed he has an extremely large bottom? He either wears very tight shorts or he has a Bantu-esque sized rear end."

Colin, you're scaring me.

Chris Williams
243 Posted 23/06/2017 at 09:52:43
Colin

Is it on a Kardashian scale? If so, his post-football career is assured.

Chris Gould
244 Posted 23/06/2017 at 09:54:24
Colin, I almost mentioned his massive backside last night but decided that maybe the camera was adding 10 lbs of arse fat. Or maybe he just works his glutes incredibly hard and it's all solid muscle?

Is anyone else concerned about his handling of crosses? I'm sure it's an area he will improve on but it's a little worrying. I can see opposing teams bombing crosses over as we don't have any tall, imposing defenders, and now we also have a relatively short goalie.

I'd really like to see us buy a tall and aerially dominant centre back.

Andrew Ellams
245 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:00:09
Chris, Michael Keane is 6'-3" – so fingers crossed.
Eddie Dunn
246 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:19:39
The TV adds 10 pounds to anyone, but not just on the backside.
Brian Williams
247 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:23:02
Jeez this close season madness is spreading like wild fire! We need another signing, and quick!
Gordon Crawford
248 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:26:05
To be honest, Colin, I'm jealous of Pickford's ass. My wife has teased me for ages saying "I've got a cute little non-ass", meaning I've got no ass. Make me sad, lol.

I think we should all boycott cheap holidays to Malaga, until they release Sandro to us.

Chris Williams
249 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:29:52
How big is Keane's arse?
Chris Gould
250 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:31:03
Andrew, just did a stats check. Didn't realise that Keane won more aerial duels than any other defender in premier league last season. Also came 4th for clearances.

Interesting that Bournemouth's cook came 2nd for aerial duels and 1st for clearances – by a huge margin! Hasn't he been championed on here before? I think by Mike Gaynes.

Andrew Ellams
251 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:36:50
Chris, is that Lewis Cook who captained the U20 that won the World Cup? If so, he's more of a holding midfielder.
Andrew Ellams
252 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:45:09
Just checked and it's Steve Cook, central defender.
Derek Thomas
253 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:45:48
Chris G @250; what are the stats on Bournemouth's King? – I like him.
Peter Gorman
254 Posted 23/06/2017 at 10:55:52
Christ, what is the delay? Does anyone remember the days when we signed players like Materazzi out of thin air? Such stealth and guile, even the Italian press were up in arms about it.

Those were the days, if you can overlook the whole Walter Smith thing.

Brian Furey
255 Posted 23/06/2017 at 11:40:12
I get the feeling this lad is yet another player who thinks he's better than he really is. He was on Barcelona's books but wants to get out on loan or have flexible short term contracts so he can move easily to a bigger and better club.

Yes he's only young and has loads of potential but I have a feeling if he does come to us that he will not be happy to stay and will be using us as a stepping stone like Lukaku did.

We all thought it a little strange that he had a buy-out clause for so little but obviously this is how he does his contracts with clubs he's not overly happy to stay with long term. He probably wants to stay in Spain and play for one of the top 3 teams and moving to Atletico Madrid is probably his first choice but a year in the Premier League might improve his overall experience.

Chris Gould
256 Posted 23/06/2017 at 11:42:01
Yes, Andrew, that's him. Pretty sure Mike Gaynes has been bigging him up for a while. His clearance stats are incredible. 52 more than 2nd place. Williams comes in a respectable 3rd.

Derek, Josh King's stats are mediocre at best until 2017 when he hit a hot streak in the 2nd half of the season and scored 13 league goals. However, he only scored 3 league goals in the first half of the season.

Incidentally, Lukaku outscored him in 2017 (January-May) with 14. I was surprised by that because he dropped off when King seemed to be banging them in every week.

Eric Myles
257 Posted 23/06/2017 at 11:43:53
Chris (#152) "Why would Dortmund pay more than the release clause?"

Reminds me of the Fellaini thread!!!

Gordon Crawford
258 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:08:29
Spanish media are reporting the one-year release clause. If this is the case, then I really hope we don't sign him. I don't want another mercenary holding Everton to ransom. He sounds too big for his boots. I'm really not liking this transfer.
Rob Young
259 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:11:17
Is that the release clause rumour that started here on TW?
Gordon Crawford
260 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:14:52
Don't know, Rob... I wouldn't think so though.
Andrew Ellams
261 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:19:23
I'm hearing it's Malaga applying silly games not the player. They're dragging their heals with the paperwork.
Tony J Williams
262 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:38:35
I'm hearing (from the voices in my head) that he won't sign until we agree to replace the piss poor Chang lager for San Miguel.

I've just made that rumour up, so it must be true.

Phil Sammon
263 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:46:40
Eric (#257),

Maybe they are waiting for the release clause to expire, so they can pay more for the player.

Isn't that what you argued regarding Fellaini?

Mike Allison
264 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:51:21
I remember that Fellaini thread. It was hilarious. So many people were so adamant that the club was cocking something up and then were proved so completely wrong when Man Utd had to pay more than the release clause because it had lapsed.
Kim Vivian
265 Posted 23/06/2017 at 12:55:43
So when does Sandro's release clause expire, then? This silence is starting to bother me. Can't decide whether it's a bad sign or nothing to worry about.

I'm surprised there are no sound bites coming from the club though, which I deem as a positive, actually.

Chris Gould
266 Posted 23/06/2017 at 13:35:23
It's mandatory for Spanish clubs to insert buyout clauses in all of their player contracts for tax reasons.
It wouldn't be a surprise if Sandro and his agent are insisting on one with us, even though it's not the norm in the UK. I just hope we negotiate the clause to be ridiculously big.

It's obvious that Atletico was his first choice, and with that in mind, I'm sure he would have insisted on a release clause that Atletico wouldn't baulk at. That's a bit worrying. Not sure I'm going to be able to get behind someone using us as a payday and stepping stone.

If (as it's just a rumour) the clause has indeed been inserted, I very much doubt we will hear about it as the club will not want to publicise its existence. No doubt his agent will let interested clubs know all about it before next summer.

Ciaran O'Brien
267 Posted 23/06/2017 at 13:41:28
I think he will be announced once the U21 tournament is over after this weekend. I reckon that is why it's taking so long.

Malaga may be dragging their heels but if Everton activated his release clause, there is nothing they can do. If they fiddle us around, they are breaking contract law and they could end up in trouble.

If it is true about whether his representatives are looking for a release clause in his potential Everton contract, we'd better have it at £20m plus.

Andrew Ellams
268 Posted 23/06/2017 at 14:11:14
Ciaran, the U21 tournament has another week to go, especially as Spain look a good bet for the final.
Martin Nicholls
269 Posted 23/06/2017 at 14:56:36
Ciaran (#267) – mine at #233 refers. What they can do, maybe out of sheer bloody mindedness, is refuse to do business until the Spanish transfer window officially opens on 1st July.
Andrew Ellams
270 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:07:07
If this really down to Malaga dragging their heels despite a release clause being met and personal terms agreed, medical passed etc. Isn't this were UEFA should be stepping in?
Paul Birmingham
271 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:08:17
Let's hope this weekend, there's some good news on incoming transfers to EFC. It's been a good start, better than anticipated, and let's have more.
Martin Nicholls
272 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:13:32
Andrew– Spanish transfer window isn't open yet! If UEFA did "step in" it would be to tell Malaga they can't formalize his transfer until 1st July!
Andrew Ellams
273 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:18:07
Martin, in France, Germany, Italy and Spain, the summer transfer window 2017 runs from 1st June to 31st August.
Brian Williams
274 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:20:34
I'm wondering if we have to do our transfers in order?

If not, let's get some more done while we wait for Sandro and Malaga!

Dermot Byrne
275 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:22:43
That Martin (#272) seems the most logical of the lot – apart of course from some kind of anal dieting regime that was insisted on after the medical.
Dermot Byrne
276 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:24:51
After Andrew's (#273) clarification, Martin, it must be the latter.
Brian Williams
277 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:26:22
Most logical of the lot, and seemingly already known about (which may be why the club's not worried) is that it was agreed that the transfer wouldn't be announced until the Euros had finished.

Don't ask me why. Well you can if you want, but I don't know. ;-)

Bill Griffiths
278 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:37:14
Not really worried about the delay in announcement as it seems the deal is done.

What worries me is the exact details regarding any buy-out clause. I don't think we should be buying any player who seems to indicate he will want to be off to his first choice club 12 months down the line.

Hopefully these rumours are just that and any such clauses will be to our benefit.

Dave Lynch
279 Posted 23/06/2017 at 15:37:46
Brian.

Logic and TW? Now there is a thought.

Martin Nicholls
280 Posted 23/06/2017 at 16:00:27
Andrew (#273) – not according to FIFA it doesn't. That also lists Italy and Germany as opening on 1st July although France opened 9th June same as ours.
Brian Williams
281 Posted 23/06/2017 at 16:25:42
True Dave, true.

It's about as rare on here as a kopite admitting responsibility! :-)

Peter Gorman
282 Posted 23/06/2017 at 16:33:28
If Italy's window doesn't open until 1st July, how come the kopites have pictures of their new lad from Roma in the jersey?

I know he is busy and all that but I've heard all the kids are on MySpace these days so why hasn't Sandro posted something reassuring like a big thumbs up next to a photo of Imre Varadi or something?

David Ellis
283 Posted 23/06/2017 at 16:43:22
Peter,

You don't need permission from UEFA to wear a Liverpool jersey! (nor any kind of self-respect or dress sense). But the registration won't have gone through yet. But contractually all done and dusted

Dermot Byrne
284 Posted 23/06/2017 at 16:58:02
From FIFA site

Spain 2017-07-01 2017-09-01

No wonder there is confusion. They think there are 2017 days in July and Jesus was around last year.

Spooooky!

Peter Gorman
285 Posted 23/06/2017 at 17:14:45
My point David, Sandro could as easily be wearing a lovely blue.
Phil Walling
286 Posted 23/06/2017 at 17:29:21
Just waiting for a better offer, I guess. I rather think his agent got carried away when the lad had a medical. It was probably to help him get cheap holiday insurance!
Kim Vivian
287 Posted 23/06/2017 at 17:33:56
Talk now on Sky Sports News of Roma being a possible destination for Deulofeu. How will that work with Barca's option for Del? Anyone enlighten me?
Paul Kossoff
288 Posted 23/06/2017 at 17:50:03
Andre Gray is the latest bid, £10 million! I said on TW that I hope Kenwright doesn't get some bums in on the cheap, well I class Gray as a bum! Anyone else worried?

Brian, you told me not to worry, you said Koeman wouldn't sign any bums!

Kunal Desai
289 Posted 23/06/2017 at 18:40:56
Jamie Sweet – you are going to have to get in a lot of pints. I hope you have deep deep pockets.
Colin Glassar
290 Posted 23/06/2017 at 18:52:00
You can sign players now but can't register them until 1 July as far as I know.
Gordon Crawford
291 Posted 23/06/2017 at 18:58:16
Andre Gray, no thanks. Sandro???
Eric Myles
292 Posted 26/06/2017 at 14:33:54
Phil (#263), as you'll no doubt recall, I was spot on with what I said.

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