Warm Blues send-off for David Moyes

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Everton 2 - 0 West Ham United

Fine flowing football: Goodison Park and the players provide a classic send-off for David Moyes
For David Moyes's last game in charge at Goodison Park, he named an unchanged team from last weekend's derby at Anfield. Phil Neville did not take part in the game, sidelined with a knee injury, as he also bade farewell to the Goodison faithful after 8 years as captain.

This was David Moyes's 213th and final Premier League home game in charge of Everton. 113 have ended in victory with 47 defeats. Everton now have 42 points at Goodison Park this season, exceeding their previous best home points haul under Moyes of 2009-10. A sixth straight home league win secure a fifth top-six finish in 11 years under David Moyes, and a second successive finish above fierce local rivals Liverpool.

The Everton manager stepped from the tunnel after the teams for the final time and waved to each side of Goodison Park to polite applause — no choreographed flag-waving or guard of honour for the modest hard-working Scotsman, who wanted this to be business as usual as he works through to the end of his current contract.

Everton kicked off with Mirallas looking bright and a couple of early corners coming to nothing. But Everton kept attacking, Baines evaded a lunging tackle to play in Fellaini who moved it quickly to Pienaar and then across to Mirallas, and the impressive Belgian found the net with a strong side-footed shot drilled from the edge of the box to set the packed Everton crowd into a fine mood for this momentous occasion.

A good run by Pienaar but he spoilt it with a wayward pass. Some open midfield play finally led to space for Osman, but his shot was very disappointing — straight at Jaaskelainen. Some excellent build-up play was running rings around the Hammers defence but the final ball did not reach Fellaini waiting on the penalty spot.

Anichebe looked to score Everton's second goal but Jaaskelainen blocked his effort at point-blank range. Osman, getting little protection in midfield as he was customarily brushed off the ball by West Ham defenders. West Ham finally came into the game a bit more, Nolan forcing a vital low save from Howard. on the half-hour. Nolan had another chance but drove a bouncing ball wide.

Jagielka picked out Fellaini with a brilliant cross-field ball but Collins got himself in front of the Big Fella's goalbound shot and Distin could only head behind at the far post. Mirallas was the next to be denied by a desperate defensive block after a nice set-up off a ball headed back by Osman.

Everton continue to dominate after the break, despite a tactical switch by big Sam, with their approach play at times exceptional until that seemingly inevitable final ball goes astray. But it didn't stop the packed Everton crowd from giving a rousing chant that was almost rewarded with a close effort from Osman before they saw another goal from Kevin Mirallas.

A neat ball fed through by Gibson was controlled well by Mirallas who powered his shot into Collins, and this time the block only deflected the shot into the ground and gave it a lovely trajectory, looping over Jaaskelainen and neatly into the top corner of the Gwladys Street net. Part time for the Blues! A yellow card for Mirallas, and an apparently over-exubberant celebration (ridiculous refereeing).

Osman looked to be odds on to score when teed up perfectly but incredibly his shot was just close enough to Jaaskelainen for him to [paw it away. A brilliant run from Coleman, and cutback laid it on a plate for Pienaar but another flailing leg glanced the ball agonizingly wide as the Everton players turned on all the form to give David Moyes the biggest possible send-off.

Anichebe was next, a perfect dinked chip laid on his noggin brilliantly by Coleman, and the big man incredibly headed it wide! Why do Everton, playing at their brilliant best, find it so hard to chalk up a big scoreline? Perhaps time for Nikica Jelavic, with only one goal in his last 19 games???

West Ham came so close to scoring, Joe Cole forcing another good low save from Tim Howard. Another fantastic flowing move... another brilliant set-up... another limp powder-puff pass-back from Osman to Jaaskelainen! Unbelievable! Collins blocked Pienaar but was not given a second yellow as Baines floated the ball to Fellaini ghosting in at the far post but the Big Fella could only blast it over the bar.

West Ham still had a little left, creating some panic in the Everton defence before Carroll headed onto the face of the post, something of a let-off, encouraging David Moyes to think about making a late substitution with one of his most faithful servants: Tony Hibbert, on for Leon Osman.

In added time, David Moyes made the last substitution, allowing goalscoring hero Mirallas to milk the crowd's applause as the team prepared for a lap of appreciation and a last chance for the Goodison faithful to bid a final farewell to David Moyes after 11 years as he moves on to take up the daunting challenge of managing Manchester United. It was an emotional moment for the Scotsman, the end of an era for Everton Football Club.

Everton: Howard; Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines; Mirallas Y:60' (90+2' Oviedo), Gibson, Osman (90' Hibbert), Pienaar, Fellaini, Anichebe (73' Jelavic).
Subs not Used: Mucha, Heitinga, Naismith, Barkley.

West Ham United: Jaaskelainen, Demel, Collins Y:81', Reid, O'Brien, Diame, (46' C Cole), O'Neil (64' Noble), Collison (55' J Cole), Nolan, Jarvis, Carroll.
Subs not Used: Henderson, Vaz Te, Taylor, Pogatetz. Referee: Mike Jones Phil Dowd.

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Stephen Brown
1 Posted 12/05/2013 at 15:16:38
Reading this it finally dawned on me – no more Moyes! It'll be weird! A good win today, a fitting farewell! COYB
Max Murphy
2 Posted 12/05/2013 at 16:16:06
Anichebe shocking! Get him off!
Broc Powers
3 Posted 12/05/2013 at 16:53:36
Hibbo!
James Carlisle
5 Posted 12/05/2013 at 16:57:53
Great work Everton. We fully deserve our top 6 finish this season. If only the away form was a little better....
Anto Byrne
6 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:00:34
Did West Ham actually turn up?
Steve Brown
7 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:10:03
It could have been even better if the board had invested in the team during January.
Eric Myles
9 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:07:25
The only booing I noted was when BKs mug was on the screen just at the end? The local feed cut off after the end so didn't show the lap of appreciation but it looked like Moyes buggered off down the tunnel at the end?
Kev Dooley
10 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:08:21
Everton have finished ahead of the RS Again.... onwards and upwards!!!

Best of luck, Davey boy.

Terry McLavey
11 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:07:05
I enjoyed today even though West Ham didn't seem up for it. Some nice flowing football, and good performances and at least we were beaten by the FA Cup winners!

Good luck Mr Moyes (except against us!) and at least you left us better than you found us.
COYB!

Terry McLavey
12 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:16:56
Almost forgot, do you think Timmy Cahill was having an informal interview with Bill Kenwright ? !Ooooer!
Ross Edwards
13 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:28:49
Great performance to end the season, finishing above the RS which I'm sure they're pissed off about. We played some great stuff today and crused to victory in style. Nice to see Timmy Cahill at Goodison today, a great sendoff for Phil Neville today. A great skipper.
Danny Harkin
14 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:17:29
Goodbye, Moyes, thanks for 11 years of dedication and improvement. Now, Mr Kenwright, get the right man in to make sure we continue to improve!!!
Terence Tipler
15 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:44:38
Anichebe should of had two, also Osman, them two have been weak links all season.
Colin Wainwright
16 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:53:42
Beautiful football at times. Like the players had thrown the shackles off?
Paul Andrews
17 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:54:39
A great performance from the lads today.

I thought Moyes's going would distract them; far from it. The lads were bang at it from the first whistle, could and should have been 6 apart from Collins and the keeper.

I thought Moyes handled the occasion perfectly to give him his due.

Onward and upwards for the Blues. Let's get Martinez in and play that style of football in every game next season.

Jack Wilkinson
18 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:47:28
Big thank you and farewell to David Moyes. I think his tenure was summed up well in that match - good performance but could have been just that little bit better. Think he's done so much for our club and what he has done everyone should be appreciative of.

Also so glad Tim Cahill got his send-off. I'm probably a bit younger than most of you lot and Cahill epitomized our club more than any other I've seen (with the possible exception of Duncan Ferguson) in my life so far.

Good win today. Got the sneakiest of feelings that Moyes might get his first Stamford Bridge win next week.

Ross Edwards
19 Posted 12/05/2013 at 17:56:55
I've just returned from the match, a great performance by the lads, cruised to victory in style.

Disappointed by the Moyesfest at the end: You'd think he'd won 38 trophies from all the adulation he was getting. And, the "Manchester is full of shit" and the "who the fuck are Man United" chants" were irrelevant as about two minutes later it was back to Moyes adulation.

"In Moyes We Trust"? Not for me. I didn't want to moan but I thought that the fans slating Manchester then fawning to DM was ridiculous.

Good luck Phil Neville in your next stage in your career, whatever it may be.

As for Moyes... he can stuff it.

Jack Wilkinson
20 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:05:15
Class and grace, Ross.

Two things that most fans (and Moyes) have shown today and what you, seemingly, are void of.

Ross Edwards
21 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:10:25
Why sing about slating the Mancs, where he is going, then singing his name afterwards? It doesn't make sense.
I did applaud him but that was as far as it got.
Jack Wilkinson
23 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:13:44
It's just the way you go about it, "As for Moyes... he can stuff it." Are you not appreciative of anything he has done at all? I understand not everyone's a fan of his but what is that?
Chris Regan
24 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:14:55
Gutted he has gone lots has changed on the pitch but not the boardroom or bank account. Kenwright may actually be thinking its time to go.
James Carlisle
25 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:14:36
I agree with Ross. That just didn't make sense at the end. It was like saying "We hate Mancs but we're fine with you becoming one". Either chant something anti-Manc or chant something pro-Moyes. Doing both is a bit contradictory.
Brent Stephens
26 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:14:22
Just back from the match. Entertaining, good goals, good 3 points, guaranteed finish above RS.

Great applause for the team at the end, and, individually and in turn for Neville, Timmy and Moyes. I thought Moyes might get a mixed reaction today but it was pretty well unanimous applause. Good to see Timmy again.

Ian Price
27 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:11:56
Great win for the boys today, finish on a high this season. Good to see Davey boy getting a respectful send off as deserved; let's hope the next manager is of a similar vein but a bit more positive in tactics.
John Ford
28 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:17:32
Nice one Davey and really well done the boys.

Great appreciation by the crowd for Moyes. Now let's get Mr Right, whoever that may. be

Denis Richardson
29 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:19:22
Nice performance and result; although I'm glad he's going am also glad he got a good send off. Regardless of whether you like him or not, the guy was our manager for 11 years and did steady the ship – but it was definitely time for a change.

The last game of the season means nothing for us at all now so our season is now officially over. Let's move and on look forward to whoever the next manager may be....

Will be an interesting summer.

See you in June!

Brian Waring
30 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:23:56
Ross, think it's like the Mancs when they sing anti-scouser songs, but then sing Rooney's name.
James Martin
31 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:23:41
Can't you see the chants were a bit of humour? It was a tongue in cheek 'Don't go Moyes it's well better here' The chants go perfectly together.

Great football today to cap off a remarkable run of form at home. If the new manager leaves this club to an ovation like that then he'll have done well for himself.

Brian Waring
32 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:28:52
James, think you've been away too long mate if you think it was just humour.
Brent Stephens
34 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:27:45
The chants were tongue in cheek, a bit of wit. The evidence for me was the reception Moyes got from all the crowd (well maybe a few grinding their teeth) after the game, as he came back onto the pitch and as he walked around the pitch.

Now let's move on. New manager, new season, new hopes, new signings (?), new debates.

Michael Kenrick
36 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:36:28
Brent, what about in the second half, building the atmosphere for the goal — what were they chanting?

It was a return of the classic Gwladys Street sucking the ball into the net!

Graham Mockford
37 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:37:23
For the first time in my life time we have finished above Liverpool for two consecutive seasons. In fact unless you are 76 or older it is the first time for you as well.
Carl Sanderson
38 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:37:14
Bye, Moyesie lad, you were fucking brilliant for us and I am sad to see you go. Now that you're going to the world's biggest club you'll receive the financial backing that you have never had here.
Ross Edwards
39 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:38:59
That was the only thing that bothered me, but a great sendoff for Pip and of course, the master of stability himself.
Good luck DM, at least now we can win at Old Trafford!
Ross Edwards
40 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:41:29
Have you got the Kleenex out Carl?
Patrick Murphy
41 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:41:16
Carl and he'll also receive the full glare of the media 24/7 and if you think people on this site are critical wait until United fans get into him if there is a dry patch. They will be patient but not nearly as patient as Evertonians.
Brent Stephens
42 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:43:27
Michael, what were they singing?
Paul Andrews
43 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:44:46
Have you got the kleenex out, Carl?

I don't think he liked David that much. :-)

He may well have been crying though

Michael Kenrick
44 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:45:09
Brent, I don't know... I couldn't make it out. I thought you might have had a better vantage point. (I mean during the game... just before the lad's second goal Not the Manc chants at the end.)
Patrick Murphy
45 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:47:14
Fergie says he decided to retire last Christmas when his wife's sister died he also stated that Rooney had asked for a transfer.
Brian Waring
46 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:47:47
Fucking hell Carl! "the worlds biggest club" sounds like you maybe changing sides.
Tamhas Woods
47 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:47:33
Ross 255: You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're missing the point.

No trophies, but when he took over we were on our knees just waiting for relegation. The football played up until that point had been unimaginably poor - think Bucharest away in UEFA, Wigan QF, Arsenal 7-0.... but EVERY WEEK

A quick reminder of the way things was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBzlGtAyDlU

Matt Traynor
48 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:43:18
6th is secured, so maybe DM will let the shackles off at Stamford Bridge and try to break the "44 game hoodoo"? With Rafa in the other dugout, it couldn't be more timely.

Thought we played really well today. Coulda/shoulda been 5 or 6.

Thanks DM for sterling work under BK's shackles. Will be keen to see how you work with more resources available, and some quarters of the press already predicting your downfall. (As well as telling us who you're signing even though you have 1 more game with us before your paid holiday).

PS - in case you missed it, I hate the media coverage here. I respect our soon-to-be-former manager. Don't get me started on BK.

Ross Edwards
49 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:50:55
Tamhas, wasn't Moyes in charge for those matches if I remember rightly?
Brent Stephens
50 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:49:48
Michael I heard the chants already referred to above, about Mancs, and I heard some about Sam (I thought they were actually singing "you've got Sam Allardyce"!).
Simon Harris
51 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:42:20
Great send off for Moyes, Neville and Cahill. Brilliant atmosphere and never seen so many grown men with tears in their eyes at the end, even my auld fella had a tear in his eye.

The team's performance was a fine tribute to what Moyes has built and leaves behind for the next incumbent of this wonderful football club.

Thanks Davey and good luck. :-(

Gary Poole
52 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:39:26
So the nightmare scenario that was predicted by some on here over the past couple of days never happened then.

Instead we witnessed a packed Goodison Park giving DM a well deserved send off. We saw our team play well and sweep West ham aside and, on the touchline, we saw DM as focussed as ever and the players clearly performing for him.

Yet again EFC showed its true class today.

Matt Traynor
53 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:53:36
Addendum: And the man himself, SAF, said the decision to retire was taken last Christmas. At the same time he said Rooney wasn't included in the squad because he'd asked to leave (but they wouldn't sell him).So I gotta give credit to the source "in the Rooney camp" that told me the decision was taken months ago - and DM knew all along.

That said, he totally had to take that job. If he'd have turned it down, and it was made public (and nothing is private in football anymore it seems), he'd have got slagged for that!

James Bourne
54 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:51:30
Fortunately the likes of Ross Edwards are such a small minority they are easy to ignore....well unless you are a toffeeWeb reader because he never seems to be fucking off it!!!!!!

Some delightful footy at times, a great atmosphere and a tremendous send off for a great manager - truly proud to be a blue today. Fingers crossed for the name of the new boss.

Ian Campbell
55 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:54:58
Great win and pleased that our fans aren't all like Ross Edwards and they did the right thing in showing their appreciation for the improvement that Everton have made over the last 11 years.

Lovely finishing above the shite twice in a row too.

Derek Wadeson
56 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:52:44
Finishing above Liverpool has been done plenty of times not counted in the figures. For years we were in Division One with them in Division Two. Does this not count as finishing above them?
Patrick Murphy
59 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:58:28
Matt you're correct on all points but how much did it affect our performances since Christams and has it cost Everon FC a CL place.

Ross Edwards
60 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:59:18
James
Singing about Mancs being crap then cheering Moyes is very bizarre and contradictory, also he got a reception that rivalled Sir Alex, for what?
He hasn't achieved anything of note to deserve such a reception in my mind, but you know, bye bye and good luck, and off you go.
James McGarry
61 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:56:41
Kenwright's a fucking disgrace to this club and the sooner everyone pulls together against him won't be to soon. Today we should have been celebrating Champions League only for Kenwright and the Board's lack of support in January. This man seems to get away with it all the time, there always seems something other to deflect attention away from him and the board.

Unless everyone stands together like the shitbag redshites did against Gillette and Hicks we will never be able to compete at the top level and win anything. Now is the time to show Kenwright and the Board that this is Everton and Everton belongs to the supporters – not them – and for them to keep milking our club.

Ross Edwards
62 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:02:19
I showed my appreciation for him Ian, but the contradictory chanting wound me up. Also, the sendoff was too exaggerated for my liking, but he leaves with my thanks and good wishes.
Ian Campbell
63 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:02:44
Ross over his 26 years at Utd SAF spent an average of 14mil a year where as in his 11 years at Everton Moyes has spent more like 1.4mil.

If you want to compare the two of them for their achievements and send offs go for it but its pointless.

Brent Stephens
64 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:03:26
Ross, the point is that the chants I think were ironic - you know, the sort of stuff we really like on here - but you have to be able to get it.

He got a reception to rival Sir Alex, as you say, because people wanted to - for whatever their individual reasons. I understand that you might not like it but it happened.

Eugene Ruane
65 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:56:44
Thought we played some really good stuff today.

Loved the first goal.

Whoever we get next, I'd show them that goal and say..

"Look, they can play this way, that's what we want every game, get on with it"

(although to be fair, West Ham were already on hols by the look of them)


Ian Campbell
66 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:05:37
Ross are you a schizo?

(327) I showed my appreciation for him

(255) As for Moyes... he can stuff it.

Ross Edwards
67 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:08:47
Ian
I realised that my first one was a bit too strong and not appropriate for a DM send off.
Brent Stephens
68 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:08:29
Eugene, yes, WHU were poor – but as you say a lovely first goal. Also enjoyed the second! Yes, more of that, please, Mr New Manager. Or Ms New Manager (Hope Powell at 949-1 at the moment).
Nick Entwistle
69 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:08:20
Ross Edwards " I didn't want to moan but..."

Brilliant!

Jack Wilkinson
70 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:08:41
Re: Ian 335. Ross, is that not the same sort of contradiction you were complaining about originally?
Peter Cummings
71 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:59:32
A fitting end to an era, although I was upset at the way he left us DM fully deserved the send off from Goodison by both the team, who were magic today, and the best fans in the game.

Class came from every part of the ground as well as on the pitch, made me very proud to be part of "The People's Club" for well over 60 yrs now

Ross Edwards
72 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:16:28
You could say so Jack
Tamhas Woods
73 Posted 12/05/2013 at 18:58:57
Ross 304, he was indeed in charge for them and you seem to have ignored the fact that I was merely using it as a point of comparison to the performances just before Walter Smith's sacking. Anyone can have bad days, even Catterick or Kendall Mk 1.

I'm as frustrated as anyone else at the lack of silverware, but by your logic it doesn't matter that he never had us fighting relegation on the final day.

And I suppose it doesn't matter that he's actually the reason we're bemoaning 6th and missing out on Champs League footy, rather than releasing a DVD called "6th of the best". (please don't EFC, that is so 2003!)

More incredulously though, essentially what you are saying is the only "embarrassing" results in our recent history have been under Moyes and his reign has been a catastrophe.

Had he not been appointed 11 years ago, I am sure our future would now be as non-existent as the FA Cup sitting that sits proudly in our trophy room. We'd probably be where Wolves are!

It seems half of us (including myself admittedly) consider Royle the better manager by virtue of trophies/derby record. But you can't tell me that Royle didn't have his bad moments. Such as:

Losing 3-2 to Bradford in 97 FAC,
Going from 2-0 up to losing 4-2 against Millwall in the 95 tin cup.
York City in the 96 tin cup (BOTH LEGS).
Six straight league defeats between 26 December 1996 and 29 January 1997.

And of course there's Walter, too many bad results to list AND trophyless, but he won at Anfield. So he MUST be better than Moyes!

Have some respect and kindly jog on!

Paul Andrews
74 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:18:32
Bearing in mind the style of football we played today,and the preferred style of the two supposed leading candidates for the job,Martinez and McKay.

There are not many football clubs who could mess up in choosing between the two.
Unfortunately we are one who could

Matt Traynor
75 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:16:38
Patrick #323 "Matt you're correct on all points but how much did it affect our performances since Christams and has it cost Everon FC a CL place."

Assuming this was meant at me... I think, and will stand corrected if not, even if we lose at Stamford Bridge, we'll have done as well, if not better by a decimal point or so, in terms of points per game in the second half.

I have said previously and will state again, BK's inability to fund the purchase of Fer (never thought Negredo was even a remote possibility) in January didn't give the squad the injection needed for the final push.

If BK did know at that stage that DM was on his way, then trust his judgement for the longer term (or put him on gardening leave and claim tapping up against MU). If BK didn't know, then he didn't exactly put out the right vibes for DM to sign on again (even though he was never going to).

So, I don't think any uncertainty over DM did affect our performances. Tired legs / unavailability probably more-so. Last Jan we got Jela and Gibbo, however the first part of last season was less-than-stellar. I still maintain our failure to trouble Europe this season was caused by our form October-December. Too many lost points - not defeats, but lost points all the same.

James Flynn
76 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:22:14
On the other hand, just read an article on ESPN where Rodgers says he knows what Moyes will go thru replacing SAF as he just went thru the exact same replacing Daglish.
Ross Edwards
77 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:24:20
I don't think Wally lost to a crappy Rumanian side or lost 0-7 to anybody Tamhas.
You could say that Moyes lost to:
Shrewsbury
Brentford
Oldham
Blackburn (1-4)
Leeds
Wigan (0-3)
Mike Powell
78 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:09:30
Just got in from the match. A good performance but how many chances did we miss? It should've been six-nil.

Great send-off for a great manager, he deserved that for what he has done for our club. Remember where we were before he took over, fighting relegation every year.

Well let's hope Billy Liar gets the right man in to carry on Moyes's good work and he gives the new man some Money spend. COYB

Matt Traynor
79 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:28:33
James #358. DM is replacing a man who won 38 trophies in 26 years. Can you link that article for us? That's too funny.
Ian Campbell
83 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:29:44
Ross SAF also got knocked out to Leeds in the FA Cup but at OT and they lost to York in the League Cup. What does picking out 6 games apanning 11 years prove?
Matt Traynor
84 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:30:42
Tamhas, Ross, I trust both of you know the futility of trying to compare managers at different times, with different squads/resources? No? Oh well... Maybe Moyes was a latter day Gordon Lee. Or maybe that was Walter, and Moysie was similar to Bingham? Well you started it.
Ross Edwards
85 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:32:13
Yes James, except that Dogleish didn't win anything of note in his second spell whereas DM, with a trophy haul of ZERO, is replacing the most successful manager of all time over 27 years.
Ross Edwards
86 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:34:19
I wasn't proving anything Ian.
Dean Barton
87 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:20:09
This was said on final score today..... " This has been the best kept secret in football! "

Exactly...... We have been lied to and fed bullshit by this man for 12 months. He shouldn't be there, he should have been asked to leave on Wednesday..... Thank you Moyes, I believe that you did a good job and I wish you well.....But stop the disrespectful bullshit!!!!!

James Bourne
88 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:32:30
Lovely footy today played by our best team since the 80s.
Eddy Bernard
89 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:23:59
Strange atmosphere in the first half today but thought the second half was great and as Michael mentioned -280 the crowd made that second goal happen.

The Moyes era is over for good or bad. The king is deadlong live the king (whoever that may be)

Ian Smitham
90 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:21:37
Just got back, later than usual due to watching the "lap of honour" as the bloke called it. Really emotional afternoon, economic reality has caught me and I can not renew. Sad, so sad. Great game, how do they play that level of football some days and not others? West Ham were on holiday, appreciated. The club did really well for Mr Moyes, the singing of his name throughout was really supportive as was the support of the club. A bit like the king is dead....

Nice for Tony Hibbert, Timmy, and Pip, thanks to you all.

Lastly, BB on the screen, no sign of happy clappers, some booing, I sense trouble ahead....

Dean Barton
91 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:39:13
Also, next season we might have Martinez, Perreira, Lennon or Laudrup. All of those managers have won top flight trophies

Utd will have Moyes, City will have Pellegrini and Liverpool will have Rodgers, who between them have won the grand sum of sod all........ You have to love the Irony in that!!!!!!

Carl Sanderson
92 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:34:25
Paul 295:

That was very droll. I no longer respond to Ross's posts as they are so full of shite and bile, but yours was funny.

Brian 300:

No, not at all. Manchester United is the biggest, but Everton is the best, always and forever.

Peter Truin
93 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:53:30
For what it's worth I'm with Ross only I wouldn't have applauded him, Rooney was brilliant for us. Did any of you applaud him when we played Man Utd in the FA Cup in 2005? Same thing only MUCH worse.

Yes, we've vastly improved from Walter's days; yes' we've got a good side now and tend to look up rather than down but Moyes has screwed us big time. At least we got a massive fee for Rooney, all of Moyes's hard work was undone when he refused to sign a new deal knowing that, if Man Utd regained the title, his buddy Alex would be off.

The only truth out of his mouth was he did wait and see what happens at the end of the season and it all fell nicely into place.

Bye, Dave... close the door on your way out.

Dan Brierley
94 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:27:26
I think today was another startling example of where are failures are. Its not about tactics, its got nothing to do with all players defending at corners, nor not bringing on Oviedo.

Our players just cannot convert their chances. And I don't think it is down to coaching, or tactics. I just don't think that Anichebe, Jelavic, Osman or Pienaar are any good at shooting. Mirallas seems to be the only one capable of finding the Onion Bag. I seriously think Mirallas could play up top next season, he has earned his chance up there. But he looks like he will need someone to play off, as he is still very lightweight. Do we invest money in a right winger, or trust Super Kev to play up front? Tough one.

Coleman was outstanding again today, as was Felli in a deeper position. I fully expect Baines to move on to United this summer, and hope Oviedo is ready to step into his shoes. This is why we need a new manager sooner rather than later. There are a few big decisions that need making over the next couple of seasons, and they have to be called right if we are going to progress.

Dean Barton
95 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:59:38
On another topic, the media have talked about us finishing above the shite for 2 years running for the first time since 1937. Correct me if I am wrong but Liverpool playing in division 2 from 54 - 62 would surely mean finishing below us for a number of years?!
John Malone
96 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:49:28
Ross Edwards are you a manc or something???

We were singing Manchester is full shit because we are scousers and don't like mancs.

We were singing oh Davey Moyes because he has been a good manager for us and took us from regular relegation shite to regular top half europe spot contenders.

Is that simple enough for you?

Matt Traynor
97 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:04:28
Dan #421, a mate of mine is a PAOK fan, but when we signed Mirallas, he told me that we have to play him up front, and he'll score loads. So, first season, injury interrupted, hopefully next season the new boss will see that and give it a go. Assuming the Mirror doesn't sell him to Moyes Utd behind our backs.
Patrick Murphy
98 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:05:23
Dean yes of course you're correct about the 50s but when both have been in the same division 1936/37 is the last occasion that Everton have finished above them.
Mike Hughes
99 Posted 12/05/2013 at 19:42:59
Enjoyed the match from the back of the Top Balcony - far from my usual spec.
It was a slightly strange atmosphere, a bit like I imagine being at the airport to see off a family member emigrating to Australia.

Football aside, I'll say this:

David Moyes is a decent bloke. Though I think his time here had come to an end and he'd taken us as far as he could, he did a good job given the state of the club he walked into 11 years ago. I wish him the best other than when he plays EFC. I was uncomfortable about the way things unfolded this week but, as a club, today's tribute was the right and fitting thing to do. I genuinely believe it is a wrench for him leaving us.

Everton FC is a class act. We knew this of course but, financial issues aside, we do things the right way on and off the pitch. We did the right thing regarding Hillsborough; we pay respects when a member of the EFC family passes away; we have the EFC Former Players Foundation - and the way our fans behave is exemplary.

We don't advocate cheating / diving or defend racism. We don't do "Everton Time" at the end of 90 mins. We don't do "Being Everton" or have a local rag full of bigoted, moronic bluenoses.

Why else does (almost) every former player associated with us always speak in glowing terms? Why else would a former player travel thousands of miles to watch us and also pay tribute?

I'm always proud to be a Blue - my house is called Goodison, the front room is the Blue Room, my dog is called Dixie, my business logo is royal blue, white and amber - but especially proud today.

Onwards and upwards. Personally I can't wait for next season.


John Malone
100 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:05:07
Oh and by the way I hope the rs keep Andy Carroll what a gyppo donkey if ever I've seen one, his name should be Swanley!
Steven Telford
101 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:08:37
"We don't advocate cheating / diving"

for me that is one of the proudest elements of our club, and I hope who replaces Moyes upholds that value.

Brent Stephens
102 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:07:42
Mike did you marry a Gwladys by any chance?
Mike Hughes
103 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:12:15
Brent - no but I'm trying to get the present one to change her name by deed poll. She's not that taken with the name, Gwladys Latchford Sharpy though. I just can't understand it.
Dean Barton
104 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:13:13
Patrick Murphy 429

I thought that was the case, I was being picky hehe. The media never said that, which I think they should have done. No wonder the Shites don't know their history.

IF YA KNOW YA HISTORY!!!!

Tommy Coleman
105 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:08:05
Ross Edwards - Stop upsetting the Moyes Admiration Club members. They're a sensitive lot. They'll all be wishing Man Utd win everything just to be proved right and saving their concept of personal 'pride'.
Sean Patton
106 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:15:11
Dean & Derek

Exactly right lads we can nip this no doubt Kopite myth spouted about that Everton have not finished above them since the days of Neville Chamberlain right in the bud.

I have just had a look at the 1962 league table and I don't see them there... and we all know that everybody finished below us in 1963.

John Crawley
107 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:21:48
Good performance and send off for Neville and Moyes. Nice to see Cahill fly back over and we got to say goodbye to him when we didn't get the chance to do this last season. Thought the crowd were excellent today, got the balance right between cheering Moyes and making it clear that we are EVERTON, we've got a great history and frankly we don't give a flying fuck about Man United.

Interesting to see Mirallas up front off Anichebe, I thought that worked well and definitely something to think about for next season. Gibson controlled the midfield and looks a class act to me. Coleman was again excellent as was the whole of the back four. Fellaini back in his proper position was also excellent.

All round very good performance, although I have to say that West Ham were very poor. I don't see why we can't go to Chelsea, be positive and win. They have already qualified for the Champions League and Benitez will be concentrating on the Europa League final. Don't think we'll have a better chance to beat them than this.

Carl Sanderson
108 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:28:05
Mike 430:

Wonderful post; hats off to you! Class and dignity indeed; I think 40,000 people at Goodison today would have agreed with you.

Nick Entwistle
109 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:19:17
Erm... a friend who was at Old Trafford has just posted on facebook a picture of him in his Utd top posing with David Moyes in the Manchester Hilton. Apparently there for a meeting.
Carl Sanderson
110 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:30:26
Tommy 451:

As an admirer of Moyes I wish him well for the future, but not to the extent of explicitly wanting success for Man United.

Your snide comments are, therefore, incorrect as well as unnecessary.

Michael Kenrick
111 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:46:55
You can't wish Moyes well WITHOUT wishing Man Utd well.

There is only one outcome Evertonians should be wishing for: modest achievement but NO trophies.

Hmmm.... in fact, exactly what he has achieved for us.

Carl Sanderson
112 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:49:50
Michael:

I don't care whether Man United win one trophy or twenty; I simply wish Moyes well. I don't want them to win everything, as Tommy alleges, and certainly not for reasons or pride.

Anthony Jaras
113 Posted 12/05/2013 at 20:54:46
Today was very emotional. I managed to stop myself from crying, just, but my mate Garry was openly in floods of tears.

I don't think it's specifically Moyes leaving, but more a fear of what's next in terms of where we are going and who will be in charge, as well as the inevitable player outgoings.

Today was the start of massive changes and I'm not altogether sure they'll be for the positive.

Moyes has been a massive part of all our lives in terms of our unwavering support for the beloved football club that is Everton.

Say what you like about his achievements, the man has been a class act since day one and we all have something positive to remember him by, whether it be some of the great signings, a particular win or the fact that we are now playing the best football since the 80's.

Lets just hope that the foundations and ethos he has instilled remain intact.

Nick Entwistle
114 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:03:29
If its not Utd winning anything then you have to want Chelsea, Arsenal or City to pick up the trophies instead. As the top 4 is more or less a shut out, we're stuck with that situation.

If Utd pick up the CL under Moyes, good for them. Its not a level of competition we're allowed into and completely unrelated to us. The money will be made by them anyway, and trophies or not, we'll be blocked from entering the elite competition because... well, because.

Michael Kenrick
115 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:09:15
Anthony, for the sake of balance, we also unfortunately have a whole lot of negative things to remember him by. I'd much rather see a winning mentality going forward than this 'ethos' of which you talk that sees countless draws and points dropped as "good results".

And there you have it: classic Moyesian defeatism from Mr Entwistle.

Anthony Jaras
116 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:16:41
Michael, the ethos I refer to is in terms of the work ethic, integrity, professionalism and honesty he has demanded from every player to wear the famous blue shirt during his tenure, as well as the class he has shown as our figurehead.

He puts many managers to shame.

Ian Bennett
117 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:18:16
So Rooney has put in a transfer request, and could be signed for around £12m if he buys out the remainder of his contract. Would you take the united reject?
Anthony Jaras
118 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:23:23
Yes, Ian. But he'd have to take a 70% per cent pay cut.

That's that dead then.

Nick Entwistle
119 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:17:45
No. Because it was Moyes who gave us the chance of qualifying when your average manager wouldn't. No matter if we even have Mourinho we'd still have our work cut out to break the money clubs above.

If that's not the problem, then what matter if we never get taken over?

Its a shut-out, what happens behind those closed doors doesn't effect us... until we break the door down.

Ian Bennett
120 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:30:20
Anthony - Supposedly 3 transfer requests in 5 years tells me he's got issues. This summer is going to be huge with the managerial changes and sky money increase.
Stephen Sulliven
122 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:28:51
A good performance with Coleman showing further improvement, Mirallas excellent, Baines and Pienaar firing again, the defense solid with Fellaini my Man of the Match.

Anichebe poor. Osman? Once again brushed of the ball too often and easily, weak in the tackle, slow and lethargic. Did get into some good scoring positions but as usual powder-puff shots.

Anthony Jaras
123 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:34:09
I admire your sentiment, Ian.

I'd love it, as would all Blues I'd imagine, but there'll be clubs from all over Europe queing up for his signature, all with far higher wage ceilings than us.

Chelsea and City would top the list.

A loan deal, however.......over to you, Mr Moyes.

Steven Telford
124 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:34:05
If Mirallas had been fit all season, I think we would have made top 4
Anthony Jaras
125 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:41:59
If we'd have had last seasons Jelavic, we'd have been 3rd.
Peter Mills
126 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:22:06
Mike Hughes - important stuff, well expressed. Thank you.
James Martin
127 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:37:23
If we're not challenging the top clubs then what does it matter who is winning the league or CL? The second I even consider Everton as in any way challenging United for anything then I would wish nothing but ill on Moyes' team - the same way that I do now on Arsenal and Spurs (and always the RS of course). The reality is though that we will not be challenging for the legaue title next season (unless the new manager really is god on earth) so what do Evertonians care if its Man U, Chelsea or City winning the league or the CL? I couldn't give one about any of them. Does it become a bad thing then to want to see Moyes do alright in this scenario because of his previous affiliation with us and because some people think he's a decent man? Of course its not. As soon as we get up to the top then all of that stops but whilst we're still on the outside looking in, whats wrong with not wanting an old boy to fail abysmally in his duels with Mourinho and (whoever is the City boss)? There's nothing wrong witht hat and it in no way makes you a worse Evertonian. If Man U managed by Moyes were in a cup final against City managed by Benitez and you were held up at gun point against a wall and forced to back a winner, who on here owuldn't go for Moyes?
Mike Keating
128 Posted 12/05/2013 at 21:45:19
Sean @ 452
I just got hold of an Old season ticket (Shareholders Stand) for the 61-62 season owned by WJM Clarke (3/9d per game) where he only appears to have used the first 2 coupons (would love to know why) and it contains the fixture list for that season including all the usual suspects and one or two you would not expect e.g. Cardiff but there is one huge omission
The RS were still battling to get out of the 2nd Division - a prospect soon to be revisited we can add to our prayers
Colin Wainwright
131 Posted 12/05/2013 at 22:40:10
The one who shall not be named @523.

"The second I even consider Everton as in any way challenging United for anything then I would wish nothing but ill on Moyes' team - the same way that I do now on Arsenal and Spurs (and always the RS of course)."

Six points next season?

James Flynn
132 Posted 12/05/2013 at 22:53:05
Michael - Leave it be.

It was all ManU overe here today. But did see the highlights from Goodison and, wiping tears from my eyes and thinking how classy the Faithful is aside, had many negative thoughts about our owners when watching Moyes take his farewell bow.

So, while I wouldn't have expressed my feelings the way Stephen did at (546), I understand his sentiment exactly.

Paul Ferry
133 Posted 12/05/2013 at 22:54:45
546 - go elsewhere to other boards Stephen, we here at TW rant and rave and fall into childishness but that's totally out of order.

Moyes does my head in. I want to be angry with him but he is so decent and dignified. I want to curse him but like the club he was class today. Sorry, call me naive, misguided, twisted, but as someone who has wanted him to walk for a while now I was MOVED by today and DM's post-match interview. MOVED. The Old Lady was quality today. The team was quality today. The gaffer was quality today.

He did need to go for our sake and his, and I would rather have Martinez or Laudrup in next season's hot seat than DM, but yoy
can criticize Moyes, want him to go, but still have, like I do, deep
respect for him. Perhaps I.m wrong and the Man-U deal was not
in his ear before last week. Whatever, that's over now, and today
Moyes convinced me that he leaves EFC with a heavy heart and a
backwards glance.

Won't wish him good luck for 2013-14, but I will urge him to
keep his innate decency and dignity.

A sad and odd day, but EFC yet again showed its class.

EFC

Mike Green
140 Posted 13/05/2013 at 00:20:58
Paul Ferry #562 - very well said.

Moyes has done what he could, I've been frustrated as much as the next man by his approach most of the time but when you look at our opener today it was magic. Just shows what this team is capable of, a pertaining feeling of dreams unfulfilled. Which I think Moyes feels as much as anyone today.

I wasn't at the game today but watching the highlights on MOTD was immensely proud of our club, and also the way David Moyes handled it.

I want our next manager to be a winner, but not at the cost of good football and decency. The top job here is a privilege, David Moyes walks away knowing it,the next man should walk in knowing it too.

COYB.

Alex Mullan
147 Posted 13/05/2013 at 01:05:11
Sad to see Moyes go, I remember the first day he came out waving and was struck today how far the club has come since then, quality of players, league-wide respect..but also how much the league has changed. It really was the end of an era today.
Ernie Baywood
151 Posted 13/05/2013 at 02:14:20
Brilliant quote by Moyes...

"I am gobsmacked and thankful and humbled for what the people of Everton have shown me today. But what I will miss most of all is was what you saw in the middle of the second half. The supporters weren't cheering David Moyes, they were cheering their football club. That was the toughest part for me today. The crowd showed how big Everton are and what it means to them. That was a difficult time and they were great. The team were terrific in that part of the game as well, but the fans made it easy for them.

"I'm sure the team would have got a great reception no matter what after their performances this season but there was a part today where I thought the Everton fans were standing up for their club. For me, that was a big thrill. This club has had difficult times. I don't want to labour the point, but we don't have what a lot of people have got, but we don't half make up for it in other ways. The crowd showed what it is really like."

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
152 Posted 13/05/2013 at 02:21:06
That's worth a thread of its own, Ermie. Guess I need to catch up on the news...
David Chait
154 Posted 13/05/2013 at 02:21:59
Steven is right... There is no question that had Jelavic just been at 80% of last season we would have been 3rd.

Of course the "if only" against Newcastle, Norwich,Spurs, etc etc.... Didn't help either.

Patrick Murphy
155 Posted 13/05/2013 at 02:59:04
David Moyes interviewed on Football First said that the reception today matched his debut game against Fulham, and he thought the fans were great. He then said

"I'll never be able ...well.... I will thank them and hopefully today I did thank them. They know what I think of them, its played a big part in my career Everton FC and I'm sure it will in the future as well"

I must admit I didn't think it was a good idea that he was at the Club after having agreed to go to United, but having seen his reaction it was the right thing to do and I think it reminded him what Everton FC means to him.

On the first goal I'm struggling to remember an Everton team goal that involved so many different players where the opposition never touched the ball. I counted eight starting with Coleman's throw-in and ending with Mirallas's shot. The only players that didn't touch the ball in the move were Anichebe, Distin and Howard.

Tim Jones
156 Posted 13/05/2013 at 03:20:24
When you see how Everton can play it makes all the KITAP, bottling, capitulations and defensive dross we have had to suffer under Dire Dour Davey so much more annoying.
Nice guy , Tactically Inept Manager.
Tim Jones
157 Posted 13/05/2013 at 03:25:02
Regarding Mirallas all his fitness problems seem to have happened since Rat Boy stamped on him in the same game that he stamped on Distin and dived to get Rodwell sent off.
John Roberts
158 Posted 13/05/2013 at 03:38:25
If Billy Liar and the rest of the board had put their hands in their pockets in January, the celebration after yesterday's game would be that we were back in the Champions League NOT farewelling Moysie. I wonder if Bill's thought about that. In my mind Moyes was always going to leave after the non-event of the last transfer window which displayed Bill's agenda that Premier League survival is his only goal.
Tim Jones
159 Posted 13/05/2013 at 03:49:07
Yes of course he would John Roberts # 636 . The Dire one would have completely ignored the lure of the Jock Mafia and the chance to take over at Man U.....................Dream on.
Ian Campbell
161 Posted 13/05/2013 at 04:10:42
Mike Hughes (430) - excellent post.

Michael Kenrick, I have a question for you:

Many fans have been in the MOB for a while. You've been the same so who do you actually want in his place and how much of our limited transfer budget should go towards this?

Fans like you have never really been prompted on the contingency plan before so I'm quite intrigued as to how you see us being better off with Moyes gone. I see us following one of these 2 scenarios.

a) We spend money on releasing a manager from their contract and have very little money to spend on players.
b) We don't spend any money on releasing a manager and therefore get someone in that no-one else wanted.

What's your take?

Michael Kenrick
162 Posted 13/05/2013 at 05:00:57
Ian, I know you're not really interested in my opinion, but I'll play along as best I can.

Firstly, I don't recall saying we'd be either better off or worse off with Moyes gone. That all depends on who Kenwright appoints as Moyes's replacement and how he performs in that role.

My take is that no-one has been appointed yet... at least not publicly. Kenwright may pay out something for him; he may not. I don't see that as particularly significant, to be honest. Neither of your two scenarios really cut much ice with me, I'm afraid... Sorry!

Paul Ferry
163 Posted 13/05/2013 at 05:13:17
Jeez Ian it's not rocket science - and please do not use MOB to
designate people who never once sought that identification
but had it imposed upon them like a crime label by you and'
others - Martinez will be appointed after Wigan go down on
Tuesday.

Worst kept secret 1 - Moyes is going to Man-U
Worst kept secret 2 - Martinez is going to EFC

Question - what on earth do you mean by
the 'contingency plan'?

Unnecesarilly silly and narky post Ian

Tim Jones
164 Posted 13/05/2013 at 05:28:00
Ian Campbell # 643 What a mind numbingly stupid post.
The next Everton Manager will be whoever Billy Liar appoints and that could be a man from your option a) or option b).
But one thing is absolutely certain is that it will be a man about whom neither you nor I nor Michael Kenrick will have any say in or control of.
Paul Ferry
165 Posted 13/05/2013 at 06:01:47
Ian Campbell - 643 -one of the dumbest posts ever on TW and
here's me thinking that Evertonians are not just blessed but
smarter than the average Tom, Dick, Harry, Mary, Sheila, and
Deb

Your challenge to MK was sorely thought through Ian, get a
grip lad

Eric Myles
166 Posted 13/05/2013 at 06:06:25
James #523 "If Man U managed by Moyes were in a cup final against City managed by Benitez and you were held up at gun point against a wall and forced to back a winner, who on here owuldn't go for Moyes?"

If I were to be forced to back a winner it'd have to be Benitez.

But I'd still want Moyes team to win.

Brin Williams
167 Posted 13/05/2013 at 09:21:09
This is not just about Ross (Rossiter) Edwards but it's about time MK & LL started limiting posts on each article - say, 5 max per person, that way perhaps the posts will be more meaningful and stop this domination of the site by certain people who appear to have nothing better to do than try to get their oar in and counter each and every argument put forward.

James Martin
168 Posted 13/05/2013 at 09:44:31
Exactly Eric that's my point. No harm whatsoever in wishing Moyes well as long as Man U aren't competing with us for anything. As soon as they are then that shred of good will goes out the window. Until then I'd rather see a decent man do well for himself at the expense of the Mourinhos Benitezs and Mancinis of this world.
Brian Hill
169 Posted 13/05/2013 at 09:42:34
Tim Jones @ 633, Suarez stamped on Distin & Mirallas in this season's Goodison derby, a season which Rodwell has spent employed by Manchester City.

Brin Williams, if you don't like a particular person's posts, don't read them.

Liam Reilly
170 Posted 13/05/2013 at 09:36:48
regardless of your viewpoint the attacks on Ross are ridiculous.

Are we all just supposed to have the same opinion. A great site that'd make.

Derek Wadeson
171 Posted 13/05/2013 at 09:47:57
What the last couple of weeks have shown via Hillsborough, Moyes going to Utd, the supporters at West Ham match is the sheer class shown by everybody connected to Everton Foootball Club.

Of this we should be proud, but now is the time to improve and move forward.

What is has also shown is that no matter how much we debate on ToffeeWeb it means that the detractors of Moyes achievements (in at least giving us a level playing field to compete, if not win trophies) are a very small minority of the match paying public.

So next time I read about how the dissatisfied know better than the professionals I shall take it with a big pinch of salt, safe in the knowledge that they are probably the same people who always seem to sit near you at the game no matter where you sit in the ground and moan constantly.

Lori Fekete
172 Posted 13/05/2013 at 07:39:22
Today's performance shows just how far we've come under Moyes.
I like to know what better football the MOB can't wait to see.
We've played most teams off the park this season and also mixed it up when we've had to. The only thing missing has been a quality striker, which cost us countless points and that's not Moyes' fault.
OK he got it disasterously wrong against Wigan, but on the whole got it right and yet again challenged for top 4 on a shoestring budget.
Martinez can play decent football but are always in and around relegation, and that squad is better than the one Moyes took over.
Then again me, SAF, the League Managers assoc, sports writers, Goodison park yesterday and pretty much all other clubs fans are all naive. In which case I bow to the ToffeeWebers MOB superior knowledge
Eugene Ruane
173 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:19:42
Lori (739) - "The only thing missing has been a quality striker, which cost us countless points and that's not Moyes' fault"

I couldn't agree more, if anyone was to blame it was James Gandolfini, star of the hit HBO, The Sopranos.

Barry Rathbone
174 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:22:51
Lori Fekete it's about "effective" football ie beating Wigan in the cup and replicating what they did, can you imagine what life would be like today with that old pot residing at Goodison?

It just so happens most believe "effective" football involves more attack and creativity than we've seen the past 11 years.

James Martin
175 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:20:09
Lori I agree with you - yesterday's game in time will just be revised away like this entire season will be and will be lumped under the umbrella of '11 years of hoofball', 'every game was the same', 'boring predictable performances without any excitement'. This could not be further away from the truth from what we've seen this season. There's been some exceptional performances like yesterday, there's been some horrendous ones like at WIgan but on the main the standard of football has been very good this season. The only predictability has been that we'll probably win at Goodison because we have done a lot this year. As ever, people spoiled by what they've been spoon fed to believe by Sky is actual football will just take the best performance from this season and moan the house down why every other peformance didn't match up to it. They'll watch us on a wet windy evening away to Stoke and then go home and watch Borussia Dortmund and Barcelona on the tv and start beating themselve sup about the football we play -even if we won! They'll also kick off as soon as Everton drop points anywhere. They are the same idiots that were booing at half time of the first 0-0 of the season against Swansea - at half time!

Whoever comes in no one on here will give one what the football looks like as long as he's winning at a rate that satisfies what at times are ridiculously high expectations. If Martinez comes in and starts losing then suddenly his football will be dire and turgid as well, taking too many passes at the back. If Rafa cam ein and we hoofed our way to a cup then suddenly he's Guardiola incarnate. Anyone who has watched Moyes' games will know that at times under him we've played incredible football and not just this season. At times we've also played bad football. If people expect a new manager to suddenly just do away with the disease of inconsistency that has dogged all football teams from the dawn of time then they will be in for a shock. Laudrup came to Goodison, parked the bus, played for a 0-0 and his players hoofed it to Dyer whenever they got a chance. I've seen Martinez's Wigan do it countless times as well (probably why they're getting relegated).

Brin Williams
176 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:30:23
694 & 716

I don't read them and its not about the content - it's about the volume

Too muckingfuch!!!

Eugene Ruane
177 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:34:03
Brin - "I don't read them"

Pants, fire, etc.

Lori Fekete
178 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:43:20
Eugene, you make a great point. I blame Moyes for the shit ending to the Sopranos.

Barry, is that the same 'effective' football that's going see Wigan relegated? Imagine Goodison park if we playing in the championship.

Eugene Ruane
179 Posted 13/05/2013 at 11:56:43
Lori - "Eugene, you make a great point. I blame Moyes for the shit ending to the Sopranos"

The end of the Sopranos was genius.

Joe Bibb
180 Posted 13/05/2013 at 12:01:30
Once again, it's Viagra time because we beat a crap team at home. Moyes has gone so that's why I celebrated.

11 years of nervous dithering.

Lori Fekete
181 Posted 13/05/2013 at 12:13:34
Eugene, you have one crazy ass fucked up view of the world.

God love ya

Brian Harrison
182 Posted 13/05/2013 at 12:25:21
I think the Independant paper summed it up perfectly, they said it looked like Fergusons farewell had been staged like something from North Korea. While Evertons farewell to Moyes was more understated but classier.

I think it shows by the reaction of the crowd that the Moyes dissenters on this site are in a miniscule number. Well the Moyes period is sadly over and its now time to back our new manager.

Eugene Ruane
183 Posted 13/05/2013 at 12:38:27
Brian - "I think it shows by the reaction of the crowd that the Moyes dissenters on this site are in a miniscule number".

As were those (constantly shouted down) throughout the 1930s who declared Germany was preparing for war.

Fact: There are thousands of episodes throughout history that have shown the majority to have been a group of easily-duped herd followers (religion for example)

Nb: I am NOT suggesting that is what none Moyes dissenters are, I'm simply illustrating that a majority, just because it's a majority, doesn't equal right.

By the way, ACTUAL 'Moyes dissenters' may well be a miniscule number, but I doubt that's the case (as you say) 'on this site'.

Paul Andrews
184 Posted 13/05/2013 at 13:03:44
Brin Williams,

you have only got 3 posts left.
Make them count.

Matt Traynor
185 Posted 13/05/2013 at 13:06:03
I was slightly aghast at the media coverage of the final home game. Suggestions of uncertainty as to how the send off would go etc. Opining that had it turned out to be a defeat, maybe it would've been more toxic. Lazy pissed up hack journalism that passes for news these days. We've already seen how they lift quotes from fans forums such as TW to present the views of the fans as fact.

He got a great reception before the match. During the match, and after the match.
I don't know why anyone thought the "MOB" would boo? Surely they're glad he's going. Also, I don't know any "MOB" who've been against him for his 11 years - but a few who've grown weary in recent years and want something different.

Myself, on the fence about him. Wanted to see how he would operate with better funding, knew it would never happen with BK in charge, so I guess over the next couple of years we'll find out, as he begins to change the Utd team.

Of course some media outlets are suggesting he could be gone by Christmas, so maybe BK will appoint an interim coach until DM finally signs that contract! Know of any interim coaches available?

Derek Wadeson
186 Posted 13/05/2013 at 13:40:26
Eugene, I think the dissatisfied are a majority on this site not the minority at least the one's that post and not just read are. But as Sunday shown us the vast majority of Evertonians who pay to watch think that in general David Moyes did a good job.

I also think that the official site and Blue Kipper are for those that see all things blue (including Bill) as golden. The reason I like ToffeeWeb is because apart from a few dissenting contributors who rant it is mainly well thought out .

Kieran Fitzgerald
187 Posted 13/05/2013 at 13:54:45
I think the best way to view Moyes' time here will be to compare how the new manager does under the same constraints. A lack of finances, a Board that seemingly does little to back you, a squad that you know you need to sell from before you can add to. If the new manager does as well and can still produce better football, then you can say that Moyes could have done better.

In terms of Moyes as just a manager, not as manager of Everton, let's see how he does at Utd. A very different club in terms of available resources, but then a very different set of pressures also.

Derek Wadeson
188 Posted 13/05/2013 at 14:52:30
Kieran,

A different set of pressures indeed for David Moyes. But the logic in it is that he has to win 39 trophies in 26 years to beat Sir Alex, It's not going to happen. but what could happen is this

An average of 1.5 trophies per season for Fergie.

If in Moye's first three seasons he wins five then his average is better. Expect number one on the board in August by beating Wigan in the Charity Shield.

Also with his squad the domestic cups will be higher up his agenda. Maybe not Champions League or Premiership titles at first but to keep the record books ticking he doesn't need to.

Mike Green
189 Posted 13/05/2013 at 15:08:00
Good point Derek #815.

To be fair Man Utd, Chelsea and City are probably all going to new managers next year, Chelsea and City probably have the most talent, Man Utd the most stability. Then with Arsenal and Spurs behind I'd imagine the top 5 will be very tight next year, and I hate to say it but LFC increasingly look like their getting their shit together.

So where will that leave us?

James Carlisle
190 Posted 13/05/2013 at 15:03:40
Moyes defenitely did a great job in steadying a fast sinking ship but I do believe there is better out there. I always had the feeling with Moyes that it didn't matter how long he was with us he would never win anything, even beat the rs at anfield.

If we get the right man we can really kick on from here. Of course that's down to blue bill so don't hold your breath.

Richard Dodd
191 Posted 13/05/2013 at 16:02:55
Whether the `Moyes Dissenters`are in the majority or not,its all academic now.Ross and Tony are swinging from the trees and KITANO is a thing of the past. (It already was but who cares if there`s a point to make).
Whosoever is appointed to succeed the Moystro,is it to much to hope that he (or they,fom what I am hearing)will have the support of all Evertonians who wish the club well?
The seeming pleasure which appears to come to some from a poor performance is surely no substitute for the glow which follows a win like that of yesterday`s and whilst I`m far from convinced it will happen,I do so hope that the new management team will put `my hero`s`achievements into the shade!
Ross Edwards
192 Posted 13/05/2013 at 16:23:16
Sadly for you Doddy I am still here. I thought you would be in complete meltdown by now, no?
Tony Marsh
193 Posted 13/05/2013 at 16:21:39
Well, Doddy, all it would take to put your hero's achievements in the shade would be a Brolly as Moyes didn't really achieve much more than stability.

Stability is a great thing if you're a boring twat who likes being safe and cautious but if you like a bit of Gung Ho, let's have a go type, then stability isn't all that of a big deal...

Stability is for bank clerks and accountants..

Col Noon
194 Posted 13/05/2013 at 17:30:13
Some of our football was outstanding yesterday, and Moyes was right we did look like a top team. Our first goal was as good as you will see this season for passing, moving and finishing. Our back 5 now look solid which is a pity now the season is over. Fitting that we produce probably our best "footballing" performance on Moyes last game in charge. Ive criticised him for his tactics on more than one occasion but I could never dislike the man. Thanks and good luck David.
Alan Corken
196 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:05:04
The fawning over Moyes yesterday was not class but crass. The man led us relentlessly from mediocrity to well..., more mediocrity. Even this year two supposedly 'smaller teams' Swansea and Wigan have had more silverware than the Moyesessiah achieved in 11 years!

Finding a good manager is the primary route to success, we have had a poor one for 11 years, hence no trophies. At least now we have an opportunity to find a good one - unlike poor old Manure!

Ross Edwards
197 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:30:16
Now, I wonder is Alan will be slaughtered like I was for saying something similar.
The goodbye he got was embaressing. For someone who has acheived zilch in 11 years in terms of success to get a farewell rivalling Fergie was ridiculous.
I agree 100% with you Alan. Now, lets see the reaction from the"silent majority."
Because, if I said that, there would be uproar, or maybe because no one likes my opinions?
Mat Fearon
198 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:43:20
Alan/Ross. Well for some reason around 40,000 people on Sunday seemed to have a different view to you both, but perhaps you are the ones who are right eh? And Alan, you may think he was crap, but those that run man united seem to think otherwise. I guess I will align my views with those that run one of the biggest clubs in the world, making their most important decision in 25 odd years, as opposed to with your good self.....very close call though.
Ross Edwards
199 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:58:09
If Fergie wasn't choosing the new manager Mat, would Moyes have got that job?
Brent Stephens
200 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:02:01
So, 40,000 crass supporters, eh, Alan / Ross!
Brent Stephens
201 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:04:40
The Board chose him.
Ross Edwards
202 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:04:49
I didn't say the supporters were crass, just the ridiculous fawning in his direction.
Mat Fearon
203 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:03:19
Ross 2 points. Firstly, the board would not have let him make the decision on his own, (it is too important a decision). Secondly, even if the decision was 100% down to Fergie, would you not agree that he probably has pretty good judgement on the calibre of manager required to continue his legacy?
Ross Edwards
204 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:06:13
On advice from Fergie. They will discover in a years time Brent how useless he is.
Ross Edwards
205 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:08:08
Look, Mat, would you appoint a man who has never won anything significant to succeed the greatest manager that has ever lived?
It's absolute madness and stupidity. Man U will regret this appointment within a year.
Brent Stephens
206 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:10:42
Quite, Ross - on advice from Fergie, appointed by the board.
James Martin
207 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:09:50
Why will they regret it in a year Ross. Worse case scenario with the quality of players they have is that they'd come third or fourth at worst. They've got enough resources to do whatever they want and have a track record of giving managers time. Was it 7 years before Ferguson got a trophy there? They're not going to kick Moyes out after 1.
Ross Edwards
208 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:17:51
James
Fergie was given 6 years because he had to rebuild after replacing Ron Atkinson, but DM will be walkiing into a winning side, and if he cocks up the pressure will be on him, and he is crap under pressure.
The fans will be on his back if he wins nothing in his 1st year.
Brent Stephens
209 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:21:19
A follower of Moyes and the Mancs now are you, Ross? More important business at Everton, new manager and all that. Accept and move on.
Ross Edwards
210 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:23:39
What are you on about Brent? Tell me where it says I support Moyes, or the Mancs, because I must be blind as well as stupid.
Brent Stephens
211 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:25:42
It's a bit of satire, Ross. You're banging on about him so much in terms of what he and the Mancs might do that I'm wondering if you thinking more of them than Everton. Just a joke, mate! Blind as well as stupid? I didn't say that.
Alan Corken
212 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:26:58
Have a look at the DMs interview on sky yesterday, just the last few seconds, the bit where he says that the players at Everton have helped him develop and move on to SOMETHING BETTER! He didn't say - to a new challenge, or a to a new stage in his personal journey, but SOMETHING BETTER.
I get the feeling we have become so used to being a team that strives to be at the middle that some Evertonians writing here, actually agree with him.

Brent Stephens
213 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:31:27
Mancini sacked I see.
Mat Fearon
214 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:29:39
Ross, he may well fail. Who knows. All I am saying is that this is the most critical decision that man united have had to make for 25 years, and they will have carefully worked through all their options. And they have decided he is their best option, and that club understands football and the importance of continuing ferguson's legacy. Anyway, I am more concerned about who our next manager will be.
Roman Sidey
215 Posted 13/05/2013 at 21:37:16
Eugene, would love to see your penmanship describe that wonderful final episode of The Sopranos had Moyes been in charge at the writers' desk.

On the send off, if I said I wasn't moved a little I'd be lying, but one question has been irking me since I left the pub at lunch-time Sunday: had he been leaving us for a club on the level of Tottenham or Newcastle, or perhaps a continental side, and not Manchester United, the biggest job in world sport, would the send off have been the same?

My point is, were we celebrating 11 years of Moyes' lifting us up, or the fact that one of ours is deemed good enough to take on such a position?

Not a loaded question, but just an honest meditation.

Brent Stephens
216 Posted 13/05/2013 at 22:46:04
Roman, I think there might just be a bit of that in it i.e. that our man was actually being taken on by such a big club (why? because that made us so much prouder to have had such a man? because we realised more what we were losing? I don't know). But I do think it was largely just because we were losing a guy who had been with us so long, had done what he's done for us, regardless of where he was going.
Roman Sidey
217 Posted 14/05/2013 at 04:48:23
Thanks, Brent.
Paul Andrews
218 Posted 14/05/2013 at 05:49:45
Brent 036,

Is that more satire ?

Brent Stephens
220 Posted 14/05/2013 at 09:20:58
Paul, not that one. Just calling it as I saw it.
Derek Wadeson
221 Posted 14/05/2013 at 09:40:54
Moyes crap? No wonder he didn't sign the contract it only needs Wegner to go now and the entire top four would of wanted him this summer.

City and Chelsea must be despairing that Utd got in first. I know the Special One is destined for Chelsea but it will not be easy with what he would want to spend and who Roman says he must play.

David Moyes did not win trophies at Everton, but at what cost relegation? So he is not a legend but by God boring or not we needed him.

If the new manager comes in and plays attacking football and we get hammered don't expect the Moyes bashers to back him up they will go for his throat to.

Douglas Turner
222 Posted 14/05/2013 at 13:45:41
Derek #119 go by a pinup of Moyes then go get a room! News Flash for you! Any managerat the time would have been better than Walter Smith who IMO wanted out of the Everton to get back into cushty SPL. Think about it! Even Kenright fired him! Back to Moyes..Starting to tick me off a bit every time I see that Grinning Idiot being interviewed! You'd think he'd pipe it down a bit at least for his old pal Blubbering Bill who backed him instead of sacking him when he was on those short lists to be sacked each year (ok, 2 years!) We are well rid of the "Chosen One" who (coincidently) only achievement was to "Choose" to be the very 1st manager EVER in the premier league to have expired his contract out on purpose! Due to the tapping of SAF or not, Congratulations Moyes! You Did It!!!
Derek Wadeson
223 Posted 14/05/2013 at 14:31:29
Douglas (182) I gather from this I was the straw that broke the camel's back as far as you were concerned.

Glad you got it off your chest.

Neil Verdin
224 Posted 14/05/2013 at 22:25:57
Eugene Ruane #771 - seek help!

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