Koeman not drawn on McCarthy's Everton future

Add in the fact that Moshiri named 4 players they failed to get in in the window, all attacking and midfield options, and you can maybe see more than a few noses out of joint in the current squad.

That sounds like a good call.

Sissoko has turned out to be a "right one" for Spurs (I'm glad to say). That would have been 㿊m right down the pan!

Small crumb of comfort for our present predicament!

Their alleged reaction tells me all I need to know. Truth hurts, close the door on the way out.

Get rid and recoup what we can which I suspect will be very little... even in these times of inflated fees (because that's how poor he is).

Having loads of money, has just took away the fight away from too many good players. It's disgusting really, and for Everton to move forward, this type of player has definitely got to be taken away from "Our Club".

He's really gone backwards at a rate of knots over the past couple of seasons though, his confidence seems to be shot to pieces, which is a crying shame for all concerned. I remember Koeman giving him some stick for his crab-like passing during pre-season, always looking for the easy out.

Looks like he's a Sunderland signing just now, or a Burnley type purchase. An average player who 'will do a job.' Probably we'll still get 㾶-12m in today's market.

Hopefully there's some truth in the Dembele rumour but don't hold your breath with the ex-shite man in charge.

If it is the case, we haven't got much to look forward to until January or even May. As for McCarthy, he never kicked on from his good first season and has become a liability. I've yet to see him hit a killer pass and his goal record is atrocious. Then again hes not alone... there, is he?

㾶 Million will do. I can't see him troubling Mourhino, Conte Pochettino etc. More likely for the likes of Pulis or Bradley in this league.

Last season and the one before, were a waste of effort. However, Martinez was supportive of the players to the detriment of his own professional position.

If Koeman is being confronted by this sort of behavior, then sod the chemistry, just get rid of. However, the 'getting rid of' is not that straightforward in a commercial world of 'player power' and contracts etc. Although if it is the case, it raises more questions as to why the committed youngsters are not getting a look in...

So maybe that's why a lot of our performances have been so poor; you can imagine why there is a poor team spirit in the club if these rumours are true.

So I wonder how many of the current squad have been told they are not in his plans going forward? Now I agree that he does need to ship a few out, but until you the window opens in January, you're stuck with them, so they wont give a fuck about you or the results.

I've never rated McCarthy. I've always thought he looked better than he was due to the shite midfield we previously had.

The type of player that, when he scores a goal, you're shocked and need a sit down... like a lot of the pretenders in our first team squad...

I like McCarthy and – contrary to some on here – believe, when fit, he is one of our top players, and only just 26.

But if it helps his career, it might be best to thank him for his contribution when he played the full season and helped us reach 72 points, and let him go. After all, Gareth Barry has still got about 5 years left in him.

I don't know if the Dembele - McCarthy - Celtic thing has been in the Press, I just suggested it the other day and then again on here. No foundation to it other than that. I've not seen it anywhere.

Be good though, wouldn't it? I mean, Dembele is still only 20, I believe.

If he wants to leave our club good, my only hope is that he takes a few of his mates with him.

If he's one of our best players, he'd better take the lot. Good luck and close the door behind you.

McCarthy obviously had a sulk at the thought of being replaced or having competition for his place, and still hasn't got over it.

On top of that, we have a raft of players who just aren't good enough – Lennon, Cleverley, Oviedo, Kone, Niasse...

50 posts later, there's a rumour we're in for him. Bollocks if you ask me.

Anyway, hopefully he's the start of clearout of dross at the club.

As for McCarthy, he had his chance against Swansea and he was awful. Admittedly he'd just returned from injury, but don't put in a half-assed shift and then sulk about how you aren't getting enough playing time, particularly when your de facto replacement (Gueye) has been one of the undisputed bright spots this season.

He needs to get Belgium citizenship to move on.

His box-to-box talents on signing have turned to a player that can't stay fit, or play a forward pass. If someone wants to pay 㾻m to Everton and him ٠.5m a season then clearly this league has more money than sense. Get shut.

Doubting any trades. This isn't North America. What player wants to be a makeweight. Struggling to remember a single one. Sissoko might do a lot better here. He'd actually get a game for a start.

I think I'd pass on blue wine.

At least Macca on his day can make a pass and score the odd goal. Besic offers nothing but tenacity and tackling, and Gana is better in every respect. So is Davies, from what little I've seen.

In fact, as I've said before, I'll bet a fiver that we've already seen Besic's last appearance with us.

I'll have that bet mate.

But look at the whole picture with him for his national team when I've seen him boss games against the best, Argentina etc and he really has been a stand-out in the times I've seen him fully fit.

I well remember his first game for us with that disastrous back pass – it just hasn't gone his way ever since 'for us'.

But I believe he has a lot left so we'll give it until he is fit and has a run of games and let's see who is right, how about that?

Add that to the general lack of goals from midfield and you can see how he may struggle to hold a regular place down.

Sadly he has never pushed on and, if anything, he's lost a little of his fire of late (possibly due to no confidence from the manager).

It's been a long time since we've had a central-midfield combination that really worked consistently and I think always playing two defensive midfielders has been part of that. I like Gana a lot but he needs a similarly athletic and hardworking player next to him who understands the game offensively and can make us more dangerous in the middle.

I had once hoped Barkley might become that player but that looks less and less likely.

Alan (#44), fair enough, but if I guess right his next "run of games" will be for Sunderland or Swansea. Or Leeds.

I don't know if he's been poor for Ireland lately, but the kids season hasn't really got started yet, which has been mostly down to injuries. I saw him play for Ireland, in the Euros, when they beat Italy, and thought he had a very good game doing what he does best, which is sitting in front of the back four, "just by himself".

I do think he has got more in his locker than he shows us, and he has had a couple of seasons in which injuries haven't helped him. But if he doesn't want to play for Everton, because he thinks the manager doesn't really fancy him, then what else are we to think other than what Paul says (#6)?

Maybe it's not about the money, though, and some players just need to feel loved? But at the same time, it doesn't look like he's got much faith in his own ability, if he doesn't want to stay and prove this new manager wrong!

On a different note has anyone noticed Koeman's recent acknowledgement of being a blue and talking about 'us'!

Look's like someone's had a word in his ear and he's starting to appreciate how big 'we' are and what this club mean's to the fan's!

Welcome to Everton Ronald!! The sleeping giant!

I heard that Koeman told all the players that they're playing for their futures. "Do well for me and I might keep you; if not you will be sold."

The January sales will tell us more about the future of this club under Mr Moshiri. However, I bet they already have their excuses ready. "Wrong time to buy", "They didn't want to come", "We're saving for the new stadium"...

Sunday is the only thing that matters – a win would be a bonus on top of a good performance.

We have to be the worst team in the Premier League at the moment. Very scary... I'll be there against Man Utd cheering the lads on, but my patience with this team is at breaking point. I've had a belly full of em.

I never rated McCarthy personally. 㾹m for a guy who can run around and tackle a bit and does pretty much nothing else was ridiculous. Pretty sure the deal was some sort of favour to Wigan after the not-so-special one left them to come to us.

McCarthy, Gibson, Besic, Lennon, Cleverley – 5 bang average or permanently injured senior squad members who collect millions in wages and contribute collectively fuck all on the pitch. All should consider themselves very lucky as most of them are Championship players at best. Not to mention McGeady.

The sooner we start to shift them out the better. We need midfielders with energy, hunger, bite and the ability to play the game at the highest level.

Looking forward to a fruitful January to get rid of a lot of dross.

I think there is going to be a massive shake up at Everton in the next 12 months and a really big clearout. January will be interesting.

Is this his 3rd or 4th injury to that hamstring? 7-8 years into his EPL career, his "Every blade of grass" days are not coming back. Without which, he has nothing to offer.

Out of contract Pienaar and Anichebe are now getting regular minutes and contributing. Fit, Mac can catch on with someone. Tell him to find a club in January and wish him well.

His departure will be no loss.

I don't know if anyone saw the passing combinations graphic from a recent match (without Barry) on here recently but it showed the stark problem that McCarthy has. There was a massive hole in the middle where he was contributing virtually nothing in passing terms. Now some people seem to think he should be getting goals from midfield and assists and often gets criticism for a lack of this. I wouldn't criticise him for that as it's just not his game, he is strictly a defensive midfielder. But really, we need a little more in there than he is currently providing, as he isn't contributing a great deal of anything these days. I feel it's a possibility he mentally left a while back.

I personally wouldn't be at all bothered if he left as I think he is bang average and has been coasting for two seasons. From his perspective though he is going to have to develop more into a reader as his career progresses and his ability to get about the pitch diminishes. You don't have to be mobile and run about like a loon to play holding role, you need to be able to read the play. In fact, if McCarthy has been running about like a loon, maybe he ain't reading the play so well.

Carrick has no pace whatsoever but was one of the top interceptors for years. It's partly why I think, up to a point, anyone can play teh holding role as long as they have a football brain. Although Carrick's range and tempo of passing means he specialised in that position. He was excellent at his peak and underrated.