Everton lodge bid for Rangers fullback Patterson

John Keating you are based in Scotland, if this turns out to be true, any thoughts on Nathan Patterson? Or any other Blue who watches Scottish football.

On the subjects of right-backs, I coincidentally saw Denzel Dumfries make his debut for Inter Milan in the 86th minute against Genua.
He went for as little as 15m euro's. That is not to say we could have got him for the said price.

I have never heard of Nathan Patterson, so can't comment. His age is a big plus though.

Not heard of him and, to be honest, I'm not sure we need a long-term replacement. I think we need someone who can play now.

That's not to say Seamus can't still do a job, but we need someone who can step in this season.

Swap for Kenny on the cards given his time in Glasgow last season?

So it doesn't look like he's played a huge number of games. 10 starts, only 3 in the Scottish Premiership last season, with 7 more as sub. Just the one game so far this season, a 5-0 win over Dunfermline in the Scottish League Cup.

I agree with that Danny, are they thinking Kenny if he is still here or Holgate is the backup to Seamus whilst this kid comes through? If so they must think he is advanced enough to stake a claim sooner rather than later. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has watched him.

Very highly rated in Scotland, and Mccoist kept banging on about him during the Euros, so could be a decent signing. Biggest problem could be Gerrard letting him come to us.

Danny @3. We do totally need a player for the here and now. But I'd rather have an excellent player (if Patterson is that) for the next 5 or 10 years than another ready made but average player for a season or two.

We're not going to compete this season whatever we do, so let's at least use it as a platform for much better things.

Will Gerrard sell him to us? I doubt it. I still think add the £5m towards a full back who can challenge Seamus now.

Rangers need cash quick is there talk. SG might have little say in it

I watched him in the Euros and I was impressed. Fast, skillful, good defensively… and developing. A steal at that price

Wasn't the last young Scottish full-back we nearly signed, but didn't, a certain Andrew Robertson? Let's not make the same mistake twice!

Seems to tick a few boxes, young, presumably hungry, international experience and cheap. Seems a worthwhile punt, Seamus first choice with additional cover provided by Godfrey, Holgate and Kenny - if he's not sold

That's right Nicholas 11 and apparently we were offered Harry "Slab-head" McGuire at the same time from Hull for £20M for the pair, according to the grinning buffoon Steve Walsh - read here: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/everton-rejected-cutprice-andy-robertson-harry-maguire-erling-haaland-deals-a4289616.html

Not played much but seems to have done pretty well when he did. Chat is that £8-10m would probably get him and he'd be coming as understudy for Coleman. Seems quick and hard working could be the next Robertson or Tierney. Or he could be the next Alan Hutton (who was decent to be fair in his prime).

So long as we bring in some new right back who has energy and pace to get up and down the line I'll be happy.

Dave
Phoned a few relations and friends up there
Nobody's seen much of the guy
Tavernier is first choice so this lad, unless there's an injury won't get a look in
Very surprised as Seamus is getting found out a bit now we are not getting an experienced guy in
5 million for an unknown seems a lot but maybe our scouts have seen something

Cheers John (15).

Steve (13) - Nothing of the "buffoon" in lining up those 3 for pennies.

Reports saying the offer has been knocked back. I can see us going back with an improved offer with add-ons. He sounds a great prospect but at 19 years old, I'm not sure he's going to be Premier League ready, even alternating games with Seamus.

Interesting story today concerning James. Some reports that Newcastle want him. At face value, it sounds pretty far-fetched but, then again, if we want Longstaff, a swap would navigate the fee we want and It would be up to Newcastle to pay his wages... Stranger things have happened.

I've seen him play and he looks good. Quick and strong, bit raw defensively but would be worth a punt. Better young and hungry than some washed up has been from some other club.

The club can't find £15M to sign a quality right-back, with exactly the attributes needed, who had a brilliant summer tournament, someone ready to play now and for the future (Dumfries).

Yet they may spend £5M to £10M on an inexperienced, unknown right-back who can't break into his team? If true, it would show once again the incompetence of the decision-makers at the club.

Speaking of players in Scotland, I have been keenly following Beni Baningime's career after his transfer from Everton to Hearts. His performances have won him two back-to-back MotM nominations by the BBC. "The former Everton man looks a real find for Hearts, restoring calm to the midfield and very rarely losing the ball."

I always believed that Beni was criminally under-utilised by Ancelotti. I know it is very early days, but I hope the young fellow goes on to have a sterling career. And more relevantly, I hope that Everton have inserted a sell-on percentage clause or a 'buy-back' option.

If we are to accept the financial restrictions Everton have imposed on themselves, then this offer could possibly only be increased by somebody moving in the opposite direction but it would then raise the question of why we wouldn't pay £13M for Dumfries.

The reaction of their novice manager seems to show a degree of small-mindedness and perhaps Mr Benitez might throw in a few lessons on practicality.

Ajay, I totally agree. Beni was under-utilised by not only Ancelotti but previous incumbents too, I, like most Evertonians, spotted a player in him, which highly paid managers and coaches seemingly failed to do.

I truly hope Beni continues to hoover up MotM awards north of the border, but would that leave copious amounts of egg dripping off the aforementioned's chins? I doubt it!

Let's not forget, Rangers stiffed us over Michael Ball's transfer fee, essentially refusing to play him at one stage as he would trigger an incentive fee they didn't wish to pay. Hopefully this Goodison regime are a lot more commercially savvy than some of their predecessors.

John @ 20. Patterson is not unknown, he is extremely highly rated. Inexperienced certainly but with bags of promise. He can't break through into the first team yet because his rival for the right-back spot is the club captain.

Personally I would be delighted if we got him. I believe he would very soon become our first-choice right-back. Even though he would be replacing our own club captain.

No point crying over spilled milk, but the prospect of Dumfries on that right-hand side, especially now with Gray; blistering pace and both good footballers. That would have given the opposition something to think about.

I can only assume the player fancied Inter & not Everton, because I would not like to think that if we can find £5M for a 19-year-old with potential, we couldn't somehow squeeze or generate an additional £8M for an established and proven international, who at 25 still has room to develop himself.

As always, this is all speculation. Going to be an interesting week!

James 17,

I agree all would have been superb signings; however, we didn't get them. The grinning buffoon instead brought three No 10s for £100M and no striker. One of those was our record signing whose career and reputation is in tatters.

Can't blame Walsh for that admittedly but I do blame him and Koeman for a great deal; that splurge of cash set us back so so far, we spent the next years just trying to accommodate square pegs in round holes.

I like the sound of this Patterson lad though agree with others, if we can find £10M for him (which sounds like what it will take according to Gerrard's comments) why not an extra £5M for a regular international.

A few people on here are assuming we couldn't or didn't find £15m from Dumfries but i'm guessing no-one really knows if that is true.

Let's not forget that he went to Inter Milan, champions of Italy and in the CL, even if we had matched or exceeded their bid for him I reckon we can guess what his preference would have been.

Plus he's not quite as good as he seemed in the Euros (though I do like him). As long as we end up with a new RB with pace and energy I'll be content enough.

Rangers are hugely in debt after failing to qualify for the Champions League. I don't think it'll take a much bigger offer to get him. I haven't seem him play yet, as I don't watch Rangers much, and when I do Tavernier is their first choice right back, but there was a big clamour in the build up to the Euros that he should be in the Scotland squad. He is quick, with a good delivery, and is talked up often by pundits here. It won't be long before he's Scotland's first choice right back, as there's pretty much nobody decent in that position at the moment. I would definitely be keen on Everton signing him, as I don't think it'll take him long to establish himself.

As for Beni, I watched the Hearts v Aberdeen game yesterday, and he was great. Got about all over the pitch and rarely lost the ball. Strong and composed for a youngster. Competed easily in the midfield against the far more experienced Lewis Ferguson and Scott Brown.

I'm going to opt for him choosing Inter even if we were realistically in for him Sam. Even with all the speculation about our caution around spending (we're not skint), I don't believe for one minute if the player had wanted Everton, we wouldn't have doubled and a little bit more than what we are allegedly prepared to spend on a prospect.

All speculation, all rumour. None of us actually know!

Maybe true Sam, I suspect we will understand a lot more about our financial situation in 8 days time. For me a new RB is essential, even if they serve as Coleman's understudy this season. Got to get some of these boys out the door. I understand why we can't sell James and Kean easily, on big £££ and others are tightening their belts. What irks me is how we can't get even a half decent fee for JJK and Benni etc.

Maybe because they're not good enough to warrant a decent fee Steve. That sounds harsh and isn't meant to sound critical or personal as we all had high hopes for both.

But now several Everton managers and two large European clubs in the case of Jonjoe Kenny, have taken a look and thought No.

I'd say we are probably going to have to release to lower league clubs without getting much for them and let them rebuild their careers.

I did think Jonjoe might have cut it in Scotland though.

I didn't really follow JJK at Celtic, anyone know how he did? I do recall however reports that Schalke were interested in buying JJK, probably didn't have the cheddar to make it happen. He did well in a poor Schalke team that year. Going to be an interesting end to the window I think. One thing I pray for however is that Kean is gone on a permanant sale by the end of it. Not because I don't rate him (i know many do) but because he doesn't want to be here. His sale could really help us buy the players we need.

Today's 'Times' saying that the £5M bid has been rejected and "Rangers' value is twice that"

I always feel like I'm JJK bashing Steve, but I'm not. I liked him, saw some potential and hoped he would come good.

I only watched him once for Celtic and inevitably it was when he had a bit of a stinker and cocked up leading to a goal conceded!!

I saw him a bit at Schalke and he done okay. He was actually quite popular and yes, you're right, that was in a poor team. I believe they did enquire, but either hadn't seen enough or didn't rate him to the valuation. Probably a combination of both.

His time there reinforced what I've tended to see of him. Committed player and decent defender, but a bit of a headless chicken which leads to poor positional awareness at times, which proves costly.

In his defence, that could have been tactics and how he was being instructed. Still livid at Allardyce for the rant he had at JonJoe at the Emirates. Because he followed the manager's instructions.

It's true we are mostly terrible at selling players. Galling when the neighbours seem to do it so easily.

Is it because we just recruit/develop sub-standard players? Or sign them on wages that make moving prohibitive? Or is the decision making poor?

This summer alone we've let go Bolasie, Walcott, Bernard, King and Besic for nothing. Last year we we sold Schneiderlin, Dowell, Garbutt and Sandro for a total of £4m.

Yes, none of those players set the world alight but then neither did Shaqiri, who Liverpool have just sold for £11m.

To paraphrase Ferguson, gerr@rd “wouldn't sell us a virus”. And to think that PoS was even mentioned as a possible replacement for Ancellotti.

Forget this kid. Forget any Rangers players and, fuck stevie me larrr!!

Sam, you will be able to add Tosun to that list in January.

Colin, he is reported saying our offer was a joke. In any case he won't have the final say. Then again he may also have a bee in his bonnet what with our fans singing 'the babys not yours' which was very classy.

That's an interesting point Sam.

I'd partly agree with all of your points. Recruitment and development has been sub-standard hence being where we are. Poor judgement and decision making; yes.

But then Liverpool can sell an enigma like Shaqiri for that price.

That comes down to brand. They have their brand. Clubs think that even if it's a cast off, it must be good. It's a bit like those who are obsessed at shopping at designer shops even though you can get an equally good bargain elsewhere. To buy from those clubs, you pay a premium, even for those they don't want.

Apart from Everton. In recent years, we've paid a premium to anyone who wants to sell to us!!

Sam, Shaquiri may have been a squad at best player at Liverpool, but he still stood out at the Euro's as the best Suisse player, scored 3 goals, and in general is viewed as a good player.

None of our squad players could, or would do that.

So while Liverpool do seem to get more for fringe players and youths, in general it can be argued that that's cause they are of a better standard.

We struggle to get rid of our players cause no-one wants cast offs from a team that finishes 10th.

Sam, " It's true we are mostly terrible at selling players. Galling when the neighbours seem to do it so easily."

Totally agree mate, but personally I think it's a bit of both, yes we seem to have been crap at playing hardball in negotiations, like a Car Boot Seller who is in the dying embers of the sale, and doesn't want to take the stuff back home. " Yeah, go on mate you can have it for a £1 (on something he wouldn't have taken less than a tenner for at the start) " Also think the Media's darlings RS and Manure get hiked up prices because of who they are, promoted by the likes of Sky etc. You can hear the Commentators on a Match involving either of the usual suspects, audibly raising their voices when eithers' player is on the ball, whereas if the opposition do something spectacular it hardly merits a mention. No wonder we detest them and No, it's not through jealousy, just misplaced and unwarranted sycophancy.

The ridiculous contracts offered to some of our very mediocre players doesn't help either, and who is readily going to take a wage cut? I wasn't totally in favour of Benitez becoming manager and I expressed so on here, I will on evidence thus far eat my words and am slowly warming to him. I like the way he doesn't take any shit, so let's hope he has more say in the negotiations of future signings, and also in identifying bargains that are not necessarily big names.

Annika 25
Annika the only people who know much about this lad are the Rangers staff.
Yesterday and this morning I spoke to a few Rangers season ticket holders I know and they don't know much about him either!
Think he played a couple of games last season.
Seamus is struggling these days and we need - and have needed for a couple of years - someone to come in right now, not another youngster with possible potential.

Steve 33
JJK had a really good first game for Celtic and got rave reviews. Sadly from there on it went South for him.
I think it didn't help that Celtic were crap last season and toiled most games. All the players got stick from the support especially having to watch Rangers walk it.

Steve (27) - Well there's a round-n-round in here about just what went on when Moshiri first took over. The only thing there's general agreement on, is that we're still suffering from it.

Like you and everyone else on the outside looking in, I have no knowledge of the inner workings of the Club; particularly that Window.

Rooney, Siggy, Bolasie, Williams, etc. Mirallas' new 3-year contract with a hefty pay raise, just shy of his 29th birthday? Nah. I'd wager Walsh had zero to do with those. Especially not the money. First, just like Brands now, it wasn't his money. The exorbitant fees are on one, and only one, Moshiri. Second, whatever anyone thinks of those players, they were established Prem pros.

I do not think signing established players was Walsh's remit. McGuire, Robertson, Haaland? Those types were who he was brought in to find. Good, young talent at low prices. Gana, Vlasic. Lookman, Gibson.

I'd certainly place Sandro at Walsh's doorstep. 21 years old, scoring 17 goals in a strong, tough league. Since, has he even scored a total of 10?

Wouldn't surprise if Walsh had input on the Klaassen signing.
A 23-year old skilled, intelligent, attacking mid who captained Ajax to a Europa final? Why not? Like Sandro, slower than molasses, not and never EPL-ready.

Anyway, what's done was done and we're still feeling the effects. Mostly bad. Me, pure speculation, I believe that Moshiri came in feeling, "How hard can this be? I got plenty of money." And tried his own hand at signing players.

Something was wrong and, if assigning blame (which I consider a waste of time and counter-productive in all things), I'd have Walsh down the list.

An agent come out a couple years ago and said he offered us the chance to sign Robertson and Maguire and we turned them down. We also could have signed Van Djke. We recently lost out on Dumfries for £12m. Its a long list of cockups. The £50 plus million wasted on paying off failed managers. The list of players signed for £20 plus million we loan out till we give them away for free at the end of their contracts. We have a dark cloud hanging over us from our Icelandic international and 2 players in James and Kean we need to sell to be able to make any more signings, allegedly.

But fear not. Rafa is here and he's tough.

Get paid David.

There have been some very good options, we seem to have avoided the like the plague

A lot of people talking about the £5m for Patterson and not getting Dumfries for £13m-£15m. However, that's the transfer fee and I believe wages are more important for FFP.

Aside from the fact it's difficult to see why a player would choose Everton (now) over the Italian Champions and CL football, I imagine if Patterson were to come to us, he'd be on significantly lower wages than Dumfries would have been, which may have put the Dumfries signing out of reach anyway.

One of the reasons City could sign Grealish is because they got Aguero off their wage bill ….

Looks like a missed opportunity not re-signing Zouma. West Ham and Chelsea agreed a £25m fee which based on his profile would seem good business for West Ham.

I would have Zouma and Godfrey as our CB's in a heart beat so that we don't have to play so deep...

Defend deep and Godfrey will make mistakes because he's still a bit raw, defend higher up the pitch and Keane will make mistakes, and this is also an area where Mina doesn't get tight enough either, so that's why I personally think we need another centre half, although the kid from Carlisle, might still make a claim, who knows?

Oh for a Colin Todd.

A streetwise defender with a touch of class

Athleticism or skills, JonJoe is not a top league player. He's 25 come March. If he was good enough, we'd know before now. At the same age, Seamus was well into establishing himself as a first-rate, top league full-back.

He's been at Everton since a kid. Even a £3-4 million fee would be all profit. Two loans, two different leagues, no bites. Even to get him off the books this his last season, another club won't pay off his under a million wages.

Nothing against him for me. Even Allardyce heaped some nice praise on Kenny for being such an intelligent, serious, hard-working pro for a 20-year-old. He's not Besic-level (Who was on higher wages). Just not a big leaguer.

Si #47, I don't think Zouma is worth anywhere near £25M to us. For a player who couldn't beat out Christensen for a starting job? And who would be rotating with Mina, Keane and Godfrey? No thanks. For that kind of money, let's get somebody who really improves us, who is significantly better than what we have. Zouma ain't it.

Mike,
Are you saying Christensen is a bad player then? If we get paid a combined £25 mil for Holgate and Keane l'd take it to get Zouma back. Of course that would take another couple windows so it wont happen. I don't know many better CBs for £25 mil. Of course we need players in other areas first.

I'm thinking Moshiri watched Brewsters Millions before he took over at Everton.

If Zouma goes to West Ham he will improve them agagain. Its what Moyes does

Why do we make these embarrassing bids occasionally like when we made a bid for Shearer lower than Blackburn's when he had already signed and the one for Savage when the bulk of the money was after about 8 years. He's in the Scotland squad and apparently outstanding for God's sake, it's not as if he's 16. We paid over £6M for both Gibson and Branthwaite.

Mike (51) it's a matter of opinion, however I see Zouma being a big improvement on Keane and Holgate and an improvement on Mina. Brainthwaite is very raw so can't partner him with Godfrey given he is still raw also.

Keane only looks good when defending in a deep block, same as Mina and I don't believe Holgate is a CB.

Having Zouma allows us to push higher up the pitch and any balls in behind can be mopped up by him or Godfrey given their pace

I personally believe if we can start to defend higher up the pitch, we will improve the balance in the team and not concede possession to average teams.

Arsenal paid £50m for White so Zouma for half that can only be good business in today's market.

Disappointed we missed out on Dumfries.

Maguire is still to me a more expensive version of Michael Keane. He makes Keane look like a bargain.

Despite the recent history, I would so have taken Van Djke when we were linked with him when he was at Southampton.

Danny, We were linked with Van Djke when he was still with Celtic.

And Maguire or Keane isn't a contest, come on.

Si, Arsenal paying £50M for White. No wonder they have fallen. I mean l still cant get over the 350grand a week Ozil contract

James@50, We could have sold Kenny, to Burnley last winter for a few quid, and I was personally told whilst having a conversation with Sean Dyche the other week, that Everton wanted too much money.

He never gave anything more away, except to say that signing players nowadays is very difficult, for a multitude of reasons, and whilst I just listened, the thing that will amaze me, is how many players will swap clubs next Tuesday!

Si #54, I like Zouma all right, he's a decent player and had a good season for us, but he played his way onto Chelsea's bench not once but twice with recurrent mistakes. When Rudiger and Christensen were healthy (both decent but neither exactly a legend), Zouma hardly ever played. And he is demanding 125K/week salary in addition to his transfer fee. Not even remotely worth it to me. We can do better for less.

David #52, Christensen is a good player. He is no superstar. He is much slower than Zouma and not as strong in the air, yet he consistently kept Zouma on Chelski's bench. There's a reason for that. And the reason is Zouma's ill-timed errors. Christensen is reliable. Rudiger is reliable. Zouma isn't.

And David #56, agreed on Ben White. Someday he may be worth that kind of money. He sure as hell isn't now.

I thought Zouma did well, and one of the reasons Silva lost his job, was because he couldn't play the way he wanted to, because he wasn't replaced?

It all goes back to how we like to see the game played, with my own view being that the most important position, is a players starting position, and when we stop being compact, starting positions all over the park become distorted, and then we start to become very easy to play against.

The Patterson deal makes a little more sense than the Dumfries transfers. If we had signed Denzil, there probably wouldn't be a complete guarantee that he would come in straight away as a starter. There's still life left in Seamus, and I can't see either of them too happy playing second fiddle to each other, especially when one of them is the club captain.

While for Patterson, he'll be in a similar situation to where he is now, playing behind the club captain. But he'll be on a lot more money, learning from a fantastic pro in a far superior league. He also has the opportunity to be slowly bedded into the team with probably the goal of him being the starting RB next season.

Kristian, @60, the Patterson deal? It's nowhere near a deal and they have told us it's a joke, which it is. If it was Brands who offered them that, the people doubting his abilities are correct. Of course we could always try £8M for Harry Kane. Idiots.

Clive@61 ever hear of bargaining?

Joe, yes, but that's not bargaining when their manager calls it a joke offer. Bargaining is when you are just below what they want, not when you are a quarter of what they want. Pointless.

I think it was a good enough starting offer... they might want £15M. If we went in with a £10M offer straight off, we'd probably end up paying £13M. Going in with a £5M offer, and willing to go up £5M to an offer of £10M could well clinch the deal.

So Clive, would you bid £19m? £5m is absolutely not a joke for a teenager with less than 20 senior appearances.

It's half a million short of what we paid them for Jelavic who was one of their league's leading scorers and an established international.

Gerrard is acting like a bell end with that comment.

A teenager with less than 20 appearances in one of Europes lesser leagues.

No disrespect to our Scottish cousins and north of the border blues, but it's not like the Scottish league is what it was when the English used to raid it in the 70s and 80s.

I'm not sure why a small opening bid for a teenager who has only played a small number of games for Rangers and isn't even first choice for them is being called a joke or an embarrassment on here. They are in financial trouble and will probably need so sell more than just this lad so let them know we're the bigger fish here.

I agree with a small bid. That's what Spurs always does. And we on the other hand seems to over-pay a lot of times. Seems like $5m is the new $15m anyway these days given Gray is costing $1.8m. If they think it's a joke, then good luck. There's always another youngster as good out there waiting.

Some rumours that Liverpool are also in for this lad. Although there are the obvious RS connections, the player himself may prefer coming to Everton as there is a clearer path to 1st team RB here than LFC. But as others have said, there are other good options out there - we were rumoured to be in for Buta, and he looks quite skillful and athletic, and head supposedly available for a little above 3 million. Or we could even find a good loan deal from one of the big clubs, like the Libremento lad on loan at Southampton from Chelsea, who looks really, really good.

Ajay (69) - Livramento is not on loan; Southampton saw his potential and were able to offer him first team football immediately so they bought him for about £5 million - which seems fairly similar to what we're trying to do with Patterson.

Incidentally Brighton took another right back - Tariq Lamptey - from Chelsea (for £3 million) about 18 months ago. That's quite some conveyor belt of promising young right backs that Chelsea have. They also have the injury-plagued Dujon Sterling who was previously tipped for great things.

Patterson starting for Rangers tonight in their Champions League match in Armenia.

Probably can't compete with not being able to offer Champions League football.

Phill, to be fair there's the Champions League proper and there's away trips to Armenia.

The issue will be whether Rangers need the money (possibly but understandably being difficult about price) and whether Patterson wants to stay in what I think is his boyhood side.

Like others I think £5M is a decent bid in the circumstances. There will be other options.

New claims on Monday morning that Everton have had an £8M bid for Patterson rejected.