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Sean Dyche batted back the pre-Arsenal questions in his established inimitable fashion at his press conference this afternoon, complaining as ever about challenges, noise, the situation, the uncertainty…

Borja might get a chance, Calvert-Lewin's contract situation is ongoing, he's continuing to work hard, still awaiting new ownership if and when it happens... it's as it's always been. 

Chermiti working hard… Harrison, working hard, top professional, trying to find moments. 

And with that, they moved on to the closed section for the media journalists in attendance.

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Denis Richardson
1 Posted 12/12/2024 at 14:57:58
Tbf to Dyche, there‘s not much else he can say.

A few things can‘t be known until the sale goes through. I imagine Calvert-Lewin, if he has any intention of staying, will wait until the ownership is sorted as well as getting an idea on who the manager will be going forward. That goes for any other player whose contract is up next year.

TFG are going to have to make some sort of manager announcement soon after the sale goes through, if only to be able to sign players in January, whether that's a change or backing Dyche.

Next week could be quite big – if the announcement is tomorrow, no idea what effect that will have on the players before the game.

I'm not expecting a result anyway – I predict a comfortable 3-0 win for Arsenal.

Mike Hayes
2 Posted 12/12/2024 at 15:02:07
I never listen anymore to his drivel. He's a bit like a kopite – everyone's fault but his.

Here's hoping for all three points so he can blow smoke up his own arse.

Quicker he's gone the better for me!

Peter Hodgson
3 Posted 12/12/2024 at 15:17:13
I agree with both comments above 1 & 2. Dino Dyche is not worth listening to as he talks drivel.

Having said that, I doubt we will go to The Emirates and come away with, at best, 1 point, which would be an improvement for us. Good luck, lads.

Usual comment from me. Get rid of him. Don't delay – make it one of your first jobs before it is too late.

Mark Murphy
4 Posted 12/12/2024 at 16:01:12
Denis, you were doing so well!
Until your last sentence.
UTFT
Brian Williams
5 Posted 12/12/2024 at 16:04:13
Mark. Agreed! 💙
Denis Richardson
6 Posted 12/12/2024 at 16:22:37
Mark - yes is a bit defeatist admittedly but just being realistic. Out of curiosity, I looked up our Arsenal away record since the Premier League began…

Pl 31 W2 D2 L27!

History's not on our side, I‘m afraid. Stranger things have happened though – Beto could dribble round 5 players and stick it in the top corner.

Wins were 2021 and 1996, fyi. (For those pining for Moyes‘ return, his recorded was D3 L8 against Arsenal, including a special 7-0 pasting in 2005.)

Steve Hogan
7 Posted 12/12/2024 at 16:53:41
Anyone who knows me will know my thoughts on Dyche; but, let's face it, what could he say, which would appease his critics?

"Most of the squad is fit, and so we aim to take the game to Arsenal, and give an outstanding display, of bright, expansive, attacking football" … or not.

Maybe a better manager would get a better tune out of that team, but honestly, Arsenal have invested heavily over 5 years in that squad, they are superior in virtually every position. Dyche knows he's dust, either in the next month, or at the season's end.

I'm not defending him, but let's be realistic about the likely responses he's going to give in his presser, instead of constantly sniping.

Dennis Stevens
8 Posted 12/12/2024 at 16:55:51
Thanks for the reminder, Denis.

That drubbing was very much in the "after the Lord Mayor's Show" style!

Mark Murphy
9 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:05:45
Denis, no offence, your prediction has no bearing on the actual game nor your standing as an Evertonian, but I simply don't get the point of actually writing down “I predict we'll lose “X-0”. I'm an optimistic realist and I'll be going the game on Saturday hoping for, but not predicting, a win.

I can understand you “fear” a drubbing – I just don't get why you, or any others, feel the need to share that?

If we were doing a score prediction thread, then fair enough, but you just tacked that on the end of an otherwise decent post.

As I'm writing this, I just got the pop-up from the members' site for predicting the score at Arsenal… talk about spooky!

I'm not going to predict a defeat – I can't bring myself to do that – nor can I predict a win as God hates me and I'll put the mockers on it!

By the way, I was at that 7-0 shambles and I was thoroughly disgusted and ashamed. The poor gunner who tried to reason that we'd still had a great season got short shrift and told to stop patronising me!

I'll just end with…

Up The Fucking Toffees!

Brian Williams
10 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:08:53
Mark, again, agreed. 💙
Colin Crooks
11 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:12:41
One thing Arsenal are, is patient.

We have got to be on it for the full 95 minutes.

Nigel Scowen
12 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:15:43
Mark@9

Absolutely spot on Mark. It's unbelievable!!!

Then you sometimes have, after the game, the same characters coming back on saying something along the lines of see I told you so.

I'm not really a betting man myself but I would never, ever bet on Everton to lose, I couldn't give a shit whether it's spreading the risk or whatever.

Martin Mason
13 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:23:12
The odds are 4/7 for Arsenal or 80% likely? I think that reflects reality. Remember though that 20% is a decent chance and we can do it. Hopefully my buddy Mark doesn't find me too negative but the odds are probably about right but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't watch it because it's a foregone conclusion. I'm an Atheist but if not I'd pray for the win for all of those great fans going there to cheer us on even though defeat is "likely".
Danny O'Neill
14 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:23:25
Let's not have us beaten before the first ball is kicked Denis. Look at Manchester City.

Mark, see you and others tomorrow. It should be another good away day out.

Mark Murphy
15 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:26:07
To be fair Nigel, I was relieved that Saturdays derby game was called off, simply as I don’t think it’s a good time to play them. BUT I would not have written on here, nor even voiced out loud, that the shite would beat us. I simply don’t get it. Some come on here and say “told you so”? So what? Do they float to work on a warm fluffy cloud for correctly predicting that our struggling team got beat? We all know we’re frail and, in my opinion, underperforming these days but the day I go to a game expecting to lose is the day I stay in the pub.
UTFT
Paul Ferry
16 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:40:41
'Moments' is here. As is 'grass'. Didn't hear his never ending 'story'.

Dear God, Harrison has to find 'moments'! How does Private Eye not have a Dycheballs column? Harrison needs to find the net not moments. Drive him to the Rocket, and make. him hitch back to Leeds in January.

We simply cannot afford to sit deep with our 'wingers' a few feet ahead of our full-backs. Broja should get at least half-an-hour. That's minute '60 Mr. Dyche. If Doucoure is to start, then he must be told to make forward runs. McNeil out wide; Iliman inside.

By the way, what about a loan move for Dewsbury-Hall. He never gets minutes for Chelsea, apart from today when - possibly embarrassingly - he started in Chelsea's youth team v Astana.

Derek Knox
17 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:44:31
As always hoping for win, but hoping also it's not the same old formation and players as the last game. Most know my feelings on Doucoure, so I won't repeat, except to say we have alternatives now.
Danny O'Neill
18 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:47:40
**Saturday Mark. I'm getting a bit eager!!

His press conference didn't tell me a lot. Other than that irritating comment he uses "on the grass".

Nigel Scowen
19 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:53:07
Mark@15

Agreed again mate, laughing as I type this but a plastic no mark, not even a football fan but bloody rugby was saying how lucky I was that the derby had been called off as we would have got battered.

I reminded him that he was a twat and that The Shite had only won 2 out of the last 10 derbies at Goodison in the last 10 years, but mainly that he was a twat. That was my girlfriend’s Mums partner.

I never think we will lose and as a result have been disappointed so many times but I don’t give a shit.

0-1

UTFT COYB

Mark Murphy
20 Posted 12/12/2024 at 17:56:04
My missus had a soirée with 6 of her friends last Sunday – it was like Loose Women in our house – so I went down the pub and watched the Arsenal at Fulham. That corner routine is giving me nightmares!

On saying that – it's hardly a secret ploy and they don't seem to mix it up much so hopefully Mr Dyche, being a masterclass technical genius, will have worked out a plan.

If I was in charge, I'd get 5 of our midfielders and forwards to form a wall with linked arms facing the Arsenal players to block their run in and have our tallest, best headers of the ball, waiting for the ball over their heads. Simply standing in position and letting them run in unopposed is suicidal, especially as we don't have a keeper who commands on crosses.

Mark Murphy
21 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:02:06
Nigel, the plastic kopites down here tried to take the piss ou of our ground not being waterproof.

I told them it's better than their shithole which is why we left Anfield in the first place and anyway, they will probably move in once we go to the Banks of the Royal Blue Mersey.

Then I reminded them what happened last time they were odds on to batter us. The soft twats.

Denis Richardson
22 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:08:40
Mark 9 - not sure why predicting a loss is an issue, it‘s the most likely outcome.

I‘m obviously hoping we somehow get something out of the game but the fact is they have a much better team and we‘re crap. They are genuine title contenders, playing well and we‘re trying to crawl away from the drop zone, and it's away. Big hill to climb. If we were playing well, I'd have more hope, Wolves result aside.

Bookies rarely wrong – Arsenal 1/4 on for a win…..

In saying that, hopefully their midweek game levels the field a bit as well as having most of our walking wounded back. However, I would be happily amazed if we get anything out of the game. It‘s not a happy hunting ground for us.

Nigel Scowen
23 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:09:31
Mark @21,

Must've been hard saying all that in Norwegian!

I wonder what 'gobshite' in Norwegian is?

Paul Ferry
24 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:15:23
Six 'loose women' draped through the house and you go to the pub.

What the feck is wrong with you?

Kevin Molloy
25 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:22:12
Denis,

Are you trying to say they are 'genuine title contenders', and we aren't?

There's still half a season to go yet.

Nigel Scowen
26 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:24:28
Records are there to be broken, Denis. Also, if I predicted we would lose 3-0 and we did, then I would never forgive myself.

That's why I always say we will win plus it seems to really annoy the plastics when you seem uber confident as if you know something they don't.

Nigel Scowen
27 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:26:35
That's the spirit, Kev!
Paul Ferry
28 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:30:33
Kevin (25).

We are not now, will never be this season, nor the one after that, 'genuine title contenders'. Some people seem to think that Friedkin will wave his magic wand and -– abracadabra – "We're up for the league and we're up for the cup, Everton's on the up and up!"

We move down to the riverside next season, kick-off for the first time (McNeil back to Pickford, tap right to Young, cross ball to Doucoure), and "We're up for the league and we're up for the cup, Everton's on the up and up!!!"

Brian Williams
29 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:30:57
Denis#22.

Denis "thinking" we'll lose is one thing, putting it in print on TW is something else.

If you don't see an issue with it............

It's like waiting for the result of a medical test and turning to your family and saying "Gonna be bad news this."

Paul Ferry
30 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:34:08
I don't like it either Brian (29), but these, erm, 'realists' and 'pragmatists' are entitled to make predictions (if only so we can take the piss out of them when they are wrong).

They live in a world mate where Leicester City never won the Premier League.

Nigel Scowen
31 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:37:17
Nottingham Forest won at The Shite.
Brian Williams
32 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:41:23
Paul. You can see mine and Mark's point though mate?


It may be realistic yeh but who wants to fucking hear it?
Imagine getting into the car after your wedding ceremony and saying to your new Mrs "By the way you do realise that statistically there's a 40% chance this marriage will fail, you know?"

Trap, shut!

Edward Rogers
33 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:42:00
Paul,

"McNeil back to Pickford, tap to Young, cross to Doucoure..." surely that's Barcelonaesque…

Whatever happened to "back to Pickford to lump it to a heavily marked Calvert-Lewin"?😤

Paul Ferry
34 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:43:16
Plan B Edward mate!
Nigel Scowen
35 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:44:25
Paul @30,

Bet nobody predicted we would do anything in the foreseeable future when we went to Stoke City in the 3rd Round of the FA Cup 1984.

Paul Ferry
36 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:48:33
Of course, Brian, and I agree.

She had already done her own research mate, long before wedding bells, and found the necessary documents with the help of solicitors Dyche, Woan, and Stone Inc to make sure that she gets the better part of the divorce carve-up.

Kevin Molloy
37 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:49:00
Young'll be left-back, Paul.

Seamus right back.

Michael Fox
38 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:52:51
Pl 31 W2 D2 L27

Denis, I'm still trying to work out how Moyes drew 3 of the above record?

Paul Ferry
39 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:53:38
Interesting that, Nigel. I disagree a bit. Possibly because I was younger then. But it always felt that the FA Cup was far more up for grabs back then than now. A dozen different teams won the cup in 1971-1990.

I knew that we would win the cup when Andy G got his head-poke pea-roller goal at County, where there was great fun to be had watching the lads climbing the floodlights in pissing rain, getting covered in paint.

Paul Ferry
40 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:55:07
Forgive me, Kevin.

I forgot about Seamus's 2-year extension next June.

Nigel Scowen
41 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:55:26
I only mentioned that, Paul, because it was my first ever away game.
Danny O'Neill
42 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:55:28
I'm not making predictions on the team or the result.

I never go into a football match thinking we can't win or get something, whoever we are playing.

What I do know, is I'll have a good day out amongst friends on Saturday.

John Raftery
43 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:57:19
Why should Dyche ‘be complaining as ever'?

Any manager with such a strong squad comprised of world class players who are the envy of the league should be grateful for what he has got, no?

Paul Ferry
44 Posted 12/12/2024 at 18:58:58
I wonder how many times in 1984-1997 Nigel future ToffeeWebbers walked past each other, even had a word, helped onto the pitch at Highbury, next table in the alehouse, hugging celebrations, telling someone to fuck off?.
Nigel Scowen
45 Posted 12/12/2024 at 19:01:41
I know, Paul.

I often wondered that myself actually. Seems like yesterday to me.

Neil Lawson
46 Posted 12/12/2024 at 19:13:59
Wondering which is the better bet. Everton to win or Jordan to catch an Arsenal corner?

Maybe an each-way double? Odds will be very attractive.

Paul Kernot
47 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:11:27
Mark #20.

Re the Arsenal corner routine from which they've well outscored all others this season; I just read that whoever they were playing in Europe this week (sorry, can't remember who), stopped them from scoring from corners all game by having 3 lined up on the half-way line and therefore dragging some of their big defenders out of the box.

Wasn't it Leicester that first did that with Vardy & Co, scoring from multiple breakaways? Arsenal still cruised to a 3-nil win mind.

Mark Murphy
48 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:16:34
Paul, they're all fucking peri-menstrual, mate. It's bad enough fending off the wife cos I comment on Strictly, talk during the Aussie soaps, or leave the seat up… but six of em??


One of them arrived wearing a big red coat and, being the good husband of the host, I asked if I could take her coat? She said it wouldn't suit me and I said, you're right, it's too red for me! And she got the hump.

My missus later had a go at me for insulting her friend's favourite coat…

Mad, the lot of 'em! Must be weird on Venus!

Paul Ferry
49 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:17:37
Paul (47),

I've wondered about that so often myself. The best way for Calvert-Lewin (although perhaps someone with more pace might be better; but Dom holds up the ball well) to defend a corner is to stand one inch from the half-way line in our half. That takes Gabriel or Saliba and one other out of the box.

Didn't teams do this back in the day?

Mark Murphy
50 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:18:15
Hahaha PK — can you imagine Dyche leaving three on the half way line???
Paul Turner
51 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:24:10
Nigel #23

"Must of been hard saying all that in Norwegian, Mark. I wonder what 'gobshite' in Norwegian is?"

I dunno, but the old Bluekipper site used to run a series of what's "red shite" in various languages... most entertaining, and handy if you happened to meet a foreign one on holiday!

Rob Halligan
52 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:43:08
Just waiting for the “Poster” who has predicted a 4 - 0 loss on a WhatsApp group to pop up on here.

No doubt, given time, he'll be here!

Ernie Baywood
53 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:44:52
We could of course get a result and these kind of wins happen every so often in the Premier League. I'm not expecting one though and, given that, I'm not really sure what I'd like to see from us in this game.

For me, it all comes back to knowing we had this run of fixtures and understanding how vital the prior generous run of fixtures was.

I don't judge Dyche on these games. He's under-resourced for these fixtures. I judge him on the games that we should have had a go in and didn't.

As always, we'll support the team in the hope that something memorable will happen. COYB.

Paul Kernot
54 Posted 12/12/2024 at 20:48:09
I used to coach a 3rd Division men's team here in New Zealand. None of them could head for nuts so I brought our big #9 back at corners, filled the box, and at that level at least, it worked okay.

When I saw the 3 on the half-way line, against a smallish team next time out, I tried it. My two fast-as-hell wingbacks on the half-way line, and I told the #9 to bust his guts up the pitch as soon as we got the ball.

We won 3-nil. Worked at that level at least.

Paul Hewitt
55 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:02:43
Rob @52.

Imagine predicting a 4-0 loss.

Some people.

Andy Crooks
56 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:13:07
Why would anyone come on to this site and predict a 3-0 defeat for our team? Honest to God, what do you get from it?

Why not just go to the bookies, have a bet on the score, then have a party to celebrate? Enjoy it, but resist the temptation to come on and remind us that you called it.

Derek Knox
57 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:21:40
Rob @ 52, like the old Schweppe's Ads. Sch ...... I know who ? :-)
Rob Halligan
58 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:21:44
Andy, ask the poster above you. He's predicted a 4-0 loss.

It's not as if there is a prize at the end of the season for the person who has accumulated the most points per prediction. It's simply a bit of fun, but for some reason he seems to do nothing but predict an Everton loss most weeks.

Nigel Scowen
59 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:22:16
Mark @48,

Brilliant mate!

Mike Gaynes
60 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:22:27
First time I've ever seen the word 'peri-menstrual' on TW.
Paul Hewitt
61 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:23:07
Unfortunately, I'm right most weeks.
Rob Halligan
62 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:25:53
Played 14, losses 6 equates to less than 50% in losses, therefore you are wrong most weeks!
Nigel Scowen
63 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:28:48
Paul @51,

Too fucking true mate, it was Croatia and Cyprus this year, the disease is everywhere. I'm going prepped next year with official translations of gobshites for every country I visit.

Paul Ferry
64 Posted 12/12/2024 at 21:54:13
I went for a 6-0 loss on my whatsup? app Big Rob. I'm entitled to my opinion (#inwithhewey)
Mark Murphy
65 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:07:44
And it's incorrect, Mike.

I meant to say 'peri-menopausal'.

Still psychotic though…

Paul Ferry
66 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:13:02
Peri Menopausal? Is that a fizzy drink Mark?
Mark Murphy
68 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:18:15
I don't know Norwegian but I still speak some Danish and the two are similar.

The dish you lot call Scouse and us wools call Lobbies (or Lobscouse if you're posh) is spelt Labskaus over there. So I'm guessing the word is Gabshyte. (Mouth shit is 'mund lort'… is that close enough?)

(Note, the “a” in Labskaus has a funny inflection over it and it's pronounced 'Lob'.)

Kunal Desai
69 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:20:52
Arsenal are erratic at the back. I expected Saliba and Gabriel to have kept more clean sheets than they have so far this season. If Kiwor plays he's not as great as Gabriel, very suspect and much slower.

I think where we will stuggle is on the flanks, particularly on the right Saka up against Mykolenko. That's a difficult battle.

Put Mangala on Ødegaard and don't let him pick out those passes.

Derek Knox
70 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:24:25
Mike @ 60,

"First time I've ever seen the word 'peri-menstrual' on TW."

Well, Picasso had a Blue Period! :-)

Derek Thomas
71 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:46:08
The ultimate irony would be for us to 'Set Piece' them.

If you want to score Set Pieces you have to attack the ball.
If you want to defend Set Pieces you have to attack the ball

Set Pieces? You can't handle our Set pieces!

Mind you they have a Plan B - they can also play football

Bob Parrington
72 Posted 12/12/2024 at 22:51:36
1-0 to us. Arsenal have 2 players red carded!
Iain Johnston
73 Posted 13/12/2024 at 06:59:30
For me, Dyche has already written off the next 3 fixtures after the win against Wolves. He's looked at who the likes of Ipswich have in their next 3 fixtures and is confident we'll still be out of the Bottom 3 by the time Nottingham Forest come to Goodison on the 29th.

He'll be more concerned about a 1-0 defeat against Forest than he will be about a 5-0 defeat against Arsenal. This is what worries me.

Our squad has it in them to perform even against the better teams, if we're less passive and withdrawn against the likes of Arsenal, there's something in the game for us, they'll leave a lot of space to get in behind them.

But again, I think he's already told the players that losses in the next three games is okay.

Man's a born loser and likes to manage expectation more than Moyes ever did.

All I'm asking for is effort & commitment, if we lose fair enough. It's the way they roll over and die like they did againd Man United which pisses me off.

Colin Crooks
75 Posted 13/12/2024 at 07:53:18
Paul @61,

”Unfortunately, I'm right most weeks".

Predicting likely defeats against the bookies' odds-on favourites doesn't make you right, as you're always so quick to point out. It just means you give up before a ball is kicked.

You came on here before the Wolves game predicting we would not get a win in December, so you are already wrong for the rest of the month.

Have another go in the New Year, mate.

Mark Murphy
76 Posted 13/12/2024 at 11:43:40
Injustice realised why Paul Ferry thinks I'm mad for leaving six loose women and going the pub.

You live in the States, don't you, Paul? So you've probably never seen the lunchtime chat show hosted by such caterwauling harpies as Janet Street Porter, Linda Robson, Denise Welsh, Coleen Nolan, et al?
You're lucky mate.

But you'd understand if you had.

Brian Williams
77 Posted 13/12/2024 at 12:32:56
How satisfying it must be to know that not only are you right most weeks but you also have the uncanny, almost supernatural, ability to empty the pub whenever you walk in.
Barry Rathbone
78 Posted 13/12/2024 at 13:02:58
Can't believe people are trying to censor opinion — when did this place become North Korea?

If people want to say they genuinely think we're in for a beating and don't abuse posters while saying it, what's the problem?

Weird as.

Denis Richardson
79 Posted 13/12/2024 at 13:10:20
Wow, seems like I've unleashed predictiongate here.

I will most happily eat a very large dose of humble pie when we win 3-0 (Beto hat-trick).

Hope that settles it. :-)

Failing that, I'll just take the takeover being announced.

Phil Greenough
80 Posted 13/12/2024 at 13:16:03
Mark @76. Haven't you seen "The View" with Whoopi Goldberg?
Mark Murphy
81 Posted 13/12/2024 at 13:21:16
Yay!!

You're a very good blue now Denis!

But 3-0??? Are you on drugs??? Xxx

Mark Murphy
82 Posted 13/12/2024 at 13:22:34
Never heard of it, Phil - is it any good?
Brian Williams
83 Posted 13/12/2024 at 14:42:47
Jeez, another bar emptier turns up right on cue.
Martin Mason
84 Posted 13/12/2024 at 15:29:33
Surely the odds contain all information? They say that Everton can win Saturday so those who are positive by nature can take heart.

The odds also say that while we can win for sure there is more chance of not doing so and the more "realistic", shall I say, can also be correct in being so.

I'm not of the view that it is damaging to have a more negative view on what the result may be as it has no effect on the result. It can be negative but that depends on the context.

Andy Crooks
85 Posted 13/12/2024 at 15:29:37
Barry, there's no censoring of opinion on this thread; no one asking for anyone to be silenced.

Just some Blues giving their own opinion on what they consider to be boring, repetitive predictions of defeat against long odds on opponents. Not quite North Korea.

Mark Murphy
86 Posted 13/12/2024 at 15:41:05
Barry, why do people want to say we'll take a beating? That's what puzzles me.

No disputing their right to, I just don't get why they want to?

Christmas is going to be shit this year, just wait and see! …
Nope, still don't get it.

Rob Halligan
87 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:04:02
Mark # 86……People want to say we’ll take a beating because it gives them a warm glow of satisfaction if / when we do get beat. It’s their opinion of course, and they do like to come on here with a “Told ya so “ attitude, expecting brownie points for being right.
Christopher Timmins
88 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:19:56
Rob # 87

We are more than capable of keeping a clean sheet tomorrow!

Rob Halligan
89 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:22:59
In fact I really do fancy a win tomorrow, and a high score at that. I’m going for 4-0.
Brent Stephens
90 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:30:16
MIserable bastard, Halligan. Have some faith in the team. You'll come on here and winge when we only win 3-0.
Kevin Naylor
91 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:34:38
I think some people want us to take a beating tomorrow as that will surely be the end of Dyche if we do.
Rob Halligan
92 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:35:57
Brent, it will probably be only 3-0 because we will miss a penalty in the last minute, but I'm sticking with 4-0. 👍👍👍
Nigel Scowen
93 Posted 13/12/2024 at 17:41:01
Mark @86,

Said it before Mark and I'll say it again, mate.

You can't understand, you can only observe!

Barry Rathbone
94 Posted 13/12/2024 at 18:01:56
Andy 85

Sorry, Andy, I disagree.

People are having a go because they don't like to read what they're reading and let's not pretend the message isn't "pack it in".

And I bet I'm not alone in cringing when the "we'll do these" comments come rolling in given the evidence but people don't get berated for it. Why should another view be treated any differently?

However, if the general view is such opinion borders on traitorous we have the good fortune of having our own tower to execute the bastards.

Who needs the Tower of London when we have Rupert's Tower? — "Round them up! We'll teach 'em!"

Andy Crooks
95 Posted 13/12/2024 at 18:46:04
Barry, I accept there are some optimistic posters (I like that) but I can say, honestly, that I have never had a "we'll do these", attitude. In fact, on one of the days of my life, 4-0 up against Man Utd on a wonderful Easter Sunday, I turned to Tony A's son, Cameron, and said, "It's not over yet".

I bow to no one in my glass half-empty approach, but I'm Pollyanna compared to some on here. Barry, there are very few "we'll do these" posters on here. But, fair play to you; we need contrary views and no one has censored you yet.

Raymond Fox
96 Posted 13/12/2024 at 18:48:41
I've just looked on Betfair and its 1/6 Arsenal and 12/1 us, no guessing what they think the result will be!

Upsets do happen and I would love one, but am I allowed to say I can't see one in this fixture?

Andy Crooks
97 Posted 13/12/2024 at 18:51:17
You're not, Raymond.

I think "we'll do these".

Denis Richardson
98 Posted 13/12/2024 at 18:54:17
Andy @56,

I assume your comment is directed at me. I am not an ‘I told you so' person and no, I don't get any pleasure from Everton losing. I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong in fact. I fancied us to beat Southampton and Brentford easily, so what do I know?

My prediction was simply based on us playing shit, being shit relative to the opposition, and playing away – which I assume most (if not all) would agree with. Saying I think we'll lose is just stating the obvious and being realistic (in my opinion), not defeatist. Of course there could be a surprise and that would be great. No one predicted the current Man City drop off and anything's possible.

And no, I don't bet against Everton, in fact, the last time I bet on us was at the quarterfinal stage to win the ‘95 FA Cup – I was very happy with that. However, I don't bet at all tbh but it's interesting to see the bookies' odds.

You've got every right to your opinion (goes the other way round too) but I'm a bit confused why stating the obvious causes so many people to get offended, but hey ho….

Fingers crossed for tomorrow in any case!

Brian Williams
99 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:08:02
Andy #95.

I think that Easter Sunday was the first time we met.

What a day and result that was, mate.

Barry Rathbone
100 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:08:37
Andy @95,

All opinion should be allowed as long as people are civil; why people take umbrage at mentioning we might get beat is a mystery. It's not like saying it makes it happen.

Or does it???? [*cue spooky music*…]

Mark Murphy
101 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:24:34
Denis, I'm sorry if you feel I'm “having a go”, I'm not. I just don't understand, as I've said several times, why posters want to publish that they predict a defeat, especially when they put a number on it.

You've been civil and so, I think, have I. But I still don't get it. We'll agree to differ, shall we?

Christine Foster
102 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:30:48
Christ, it's depressing in here this morning, bring me to mind of that robot, Marvin, in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

"Brain the size of a planet and you ask me to operate the lift door..."

Yes, the odds are stacked; yes, we lost 27 out of 29 there, but it's still 11 v 11 out there. Have some faith, some hope and pray for charity!

Danny O'Neill
103 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:36:57
Exactly, Christine.

The 3,000 of us tucked into that corner will go in with our tails up.

As you say, it's 11 v 11. Anything can happen.

Brent Stephens
104 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:41:42
Danny, you're not going to the Arsenal game by any chance, are you?
Mark Murphy
105 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:47:43
He's not coming near me if his tails up, Brent!

Oo-er!!

Paul Ferry
106 Posted 13/12/2024 at 19:49:46
You'd never know, Brent, if you happened to be on ToffeeWeb over the last 12 days.
Danny O'Neill
107 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:05:03
Yes. Are you Brent?
Paul Ferry
108 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:15:30
He fell for it ...
Andy Crooks
109 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:28:07
Brian, we met in the Midland the previous year, when Mike Gaynes was over for the derby game.

I didn't have a ticket. It was still a memorable experience. (Not for you!!!) The first night I experienced Scouse humour first hand. Hope all good with you, mate.

Brent Stephens
110 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:28:33
Looking forward to it, Danny.

Softly softly does it.

Brian Williams
111 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:31:50
Sorry, Andy, my memory's shot to fuck mate. 🤣

All good here, hope we get to meet up again soon! 💙

Andy Crooks
112 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:32:59
Barry @100, now you're talking!!

Before every derby (actually every game!) I envisage nearly every possible outcome; therefore, nothing comes as a shock. Then, we go and win 1-0!!

Iain Johnston
113 Posted 13/12/2024 at 20:44:06
I think many fans say we'll get a beating in order to protect their own sanity, they're trying to protect their own emotional state of mind.
Dave Abrahams
114 Posted 13/12/2024 at 21:16:58
Andy (109),

I was amazed that night when I realised you'd come over just to meet fellow users of ToffeeWeb but you weren't going to the game but going home the next day, which was the Saturday, the Derby game was on the Sunday when Pickford made the huge cock-up.

There was a decent turnout that night and one fella joined the company sitting down by us not realising why we were all there but it turned out he was a good mate of a mate of me and Tony's and he was familiar with ToffeeWeb — Jimmy the Sailor. We had a good gab before he got off to go to Blobb's wine house not far away to have his last couple of large Aussie whites before he went home.

Mike Gaynes
115 Posted 13/12/2024 at 21:36:56
Hey, I remember Jimmy the Sailor! I didn't know you and Tony actually knew the fella -- I just thought he was exceptionally friendly.

What a great night that was.

Laurie Hartley
116 Posted 14/12/2024 at 02:27:41
Self-belief is what we really need at the moment. No doubt this is a tough game but we have the players to nullify their set-piece routines.

I would start Calvert-Lewin in this one and tell him to guard the near post at corners, and I would put Ndiaye on the half-way line and Doucoure and Mangala (the mangler) on the edge of our box so we could hit them on the counter.


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