West Ham United vs Everton: Player Ratings

Sick to death of the shite we have to witness at times.

Best player: Dewsbury-Hall, another goal and another impressive display.

And Dewsbury-Hall "couldn't have missed" -- have you seen the rest of the team's shooting?

All I saw was shite.

Derek, spot on.

Barry 3 -- he could have put that header anywhere and headed it straight at Soucek.

How the fuck did he deserve that?

Hey... Flat Line Davey!!!

Yes, he gets about and makes last-ditch tackles because he loses his man who gets past him and it's a recovery tackle...

But he doesn't create much and he rarely shoots or rarely scores. Maybe it's just me but, for the accolades he gets, the actual end product ain't there.

Tin hat on and, by the way, I'm fucked if I can spell 'contravresial'.

Any team will have realized that this is another cup final game for West Ham. To give Moyes 0 is absolute nonsense.

It should be -1.

Thank fuck the armchair experts aren't in the dugout.

And play Barry up front because he's been fucking amazing all season with a great attitude.

The non-armchair expert, ie, Mr Moyes, has just picked a team and coached us to a 2-1 defeat to one of the worst teams in the Premier League.

The unanimous feeling is "Fuck off, Moyes and take your 'keep it tight and hope we nick it' football and have a fucking go!"

West Ham were shite today and we should have battered them.

Fuck off, Moyes... I'm not changing my mind on this.

A 2-1 defeat that we lost in the last minute in a tight game. We lost as much as Moyes, as the keeper that won't come for a cross, a captain that can't attack a ball, a centre-forward that hit the bar, defenders that watch danger men and officials that don't know what handball is.

But yeah, Moyes Out.

The pile on after a defeat is a joke. They're a group of average players. Smell the fucking coffee!!

Didn't you say you were confident we would qualify for Europe a while back?

Why would anyone select Barry after last week's utterly disgraceful performance? Do something different, think out of the box, ea
you're fucking £100k a week, coach the team, promote the youth, encourage the youth.

Fucking basic flat-line, by-the-numbers manager. But yeah 12ish beckons... enjoy the not quite Best of the Rest trophy.

I think Charly A;caraz missed half the season or more because Moyes never picked him.

And when he was injured, we were never told what the injury was!

When we lose, it's the players.

Fella can't lose, can he?

Certainly at the start of the season, I had them mid table.

A win today and we would have been 6th. Did they deserve to win? No. Was a draw a fair result? Probably.

West Ham were shite today and we should have battered them. That to me isn't a great statement when you have the players that we had today. No world class players, a couple of good players, and a lot of average players that would get humped in the Champions League or Europa League.

Just imagine Keane, Tarkowski, O'Brien and Mykolenko, McNeil... vs PSG?

Manager picks the team, so this is on him. He sent out his team deliberately a man down. Barry doesn't care -- he'll be off again in the summer.

Alcaraz should've started up front today -- as there is no chance Moyes will pick Braiden Graham -- ever!

I appreciate what Moyes has done in the last 16 months; we are now better. However, I don't find his selections acceptable, nor his favouritism or his negative treatment of technically gifted footballers.

Stick with him all you like, and accept mediocrity, or, like me, expect Everton to play a more open style of football.

The Premier League was wide open this season and he hasn't taken advantage. I expected a 14th or 15th place finish and, looking at the games remaining, it will be about right.

It's all just typical Everton really -- gone flat. Football is just a game... why be constricted? Just go after it, for goodness sake!!

Man City just put 5 subs on and won the game after being 1 down -- slightly better calibre of player I accept, but that's not the point...

The point is: He just thought "What have we got to lose?"

I'm tired of Everton just making the numbers up. Finish as high as you can by being positive, not by protection through negativity.

But we weren't playing PSG today.

We have several options to play a false 9; Alcaraz, Dewsbury-Hall, George, possibly even Dibling... all of them better than Barry.

After his shocking display last Sunday and indeed most of his 34 appearances, I have not seen any outcome other than we cut our losses and offload him permanently.

Meanwhile, why was McNeil, deservedly surplus to requirements in January, selected yet again?

Playing Barry is a crime. Barry cannot help being totally useless, so why does Moyes continually play him? Who were the scouts responsible for recruiting him??? They should be shot!

If Dewsbury-Hall, Ndiaye and Branthwaite had any sense, they'd piss off from this club at the first opportunity!

A win last week would have had us 6th as well.

But we tried to win neither of them.

We were fucking toothless Shite!

Enough.

No other back-up players have more goals or assists. The manager is going to value that when picking the side, over players that have done little all season.

Grealish injured
George offered nothing last week
McNeil: flip of a coin vs George
Dibling offered nothing all season
Alcaraz has zero fitness
Beto injured
Barry poor, but at least no change in shape

Absolute nonsense to suggest sticking Dibling, George or Dewsbury-Hall into a false 9.

No manager is going to abandon their system and player ranking in a scatter-gun approach with little guarantee of success. You wouldn't do it in Sunday league, so why the hell is a Premier League manager going to do it?

If George had been ripping it up, yeah I get it... or if Alcaraz was fiit. But they haven't / aren't.

Same as the nonsense about starting Keane upfront.

A narrow defeat, that could have gone either way if Barry doesn't hit the bar, that VAR isn't Stevie Wonder, or Pickford uses those long dangly things called arms.

There is no point trying Dibling or George as a false 9? Why not?

Because Barry is doing such a fine job of being shit so why try anyone else? Really, Ian? Just stick with Barry and hope something clicks in that non-footballing brain of his.

So yes, I can understand out of the 3 shit options, he's chosen to stick with the same system and a player that actually registered goals -- as tempting as the confetti option is.

It was a sitter -- he's pure shite.

Does this mean minus 5? In which case all of our players got minus ratings?

Can't be the case because that would give Moyes the highest rating at 0, which is unbelievable.

How in the actual fuck can you give Barry a 5 today (unless it's out of a thousand, I'm assuming it's out of 10). Was it the 50% (at best) effort he put into jumping for every header?

Tallest player on the pitch can't be arsed out jumping the opposition for a 50/50, unbelievable you found a positive rating for him. Does 50% effort equal a 5/10 rating now?

100% effort should be the minimal requirement to even deserve a 1/10. Get this 0/10 waste of space as far away from our club as soon as possible.

You can't see further than that when we have Dibling, George, Alcaraz? That's why Moyes has us firmly mid-table and going nowhere fast. Thie
o Barry would be your choice as our striker??? Wow!!

Our 0/10 manager knows no other way and will not change his spots -- no disrespect to leopards. Or dinosaurs.

If you want another 11 years of this, then you are welcome to it. If we signed the best 11 players in the world in their positions, he'd have them exactly the same as these in a couple of months.

Someone on the Live Forum this afte
oon asked in the second half, "Does he give them sedatives at half time?" I think it is more he bores the shit out of them with his MP style pep talks that last forever and tell you nothing.

He brought players in and you never hear their names mentioned... so why is he allowed free rein on transfers???

He couldn't pick his nose.

Alcaraz isn't fit enough to start.

George or Mcneil is a coin toss of who is good enough to start. On balance, I'd take McNeil for his set-pieces, shots, and work rate, and George to make an impact when he comes on.

Dibling has done jot all season. Beto is out injured. That leaves the €30M striker, who remains part of the plans, who has registered goals, as the best option. Every other club has 3 strikers but, like other gaps in the squad in numbers and quality, we are lacking.

The side was the same as MK predicted, apart from Beto. I assume MK would have put Barry in the predicted side if he was aware of the Beto issue.

And of course we always have many excuses but the bottom line is that we are still an average mid-table team that occasionally wins a good game. At least this season, we have had no fears of relegation.

However, it's not good enough and now, two games running, they bottled it late on, presenting the opposition with all the points.

Is it the manager or bad captaincy? Both, I fear as well as a poor strategy in game management from a coaching aspect.

It is time for the board to bring in new blood, both in coaching and on the pitch. This club has a lot of talent not yet come to full fruition -- and that never will if Moyes stays. We need a new man who has shown he can get players motivated and is not afraid to attack teams.

If available, I would like Eddie Howe who, despite some poor results lately, has done tremendously well with the Barcodes.

Man City next week so we're not likely to get anything in that game. Better keep your bets for the remaining three games, Sunderland, Palace and Spurs.

Spurs may still be desperate to win, like the Hammers were today, so nothing is cut and dried -- certainly with Everton games anyway.

Why play a striker who is useless? We have enough players to at least try a different system -- or is the only tactic a high ball, either from the wings or down the middle?

Today was another sample of the mode
game that Moyes does not understand by playing a #9 who -- to be polite -- is useless. He has shown how poor he is in previous games and made a defender's job easy.

You have to set your team up for a victory, with a draw being acceptable if you do not win, and that definitely means not playing struggling players hoping they may come good ove
ight.

I guess the new owner are happier to remain in Rome and rely on messages from people in charge. They do not understand the Everton supporters' feelings and hopes for the club and are quite willing to accept mediocrity.

The supporters expect more and are not getting it, and expect change. But Moyes will never change... accept this and you are just accepting safety, not progress.

That's just nonsense. If you are fit to play, you are fit to start. The limited way the manager uses him, there is no necessity to have Alcaraz in the squad at all if he isn't match fit.

Not fit enough to last the game? More likely, but that is where you can use your bench, isn't it?

The lad, prior to Liverpool, had missed 10 out of the last 14 matches from injury. His last start was in December, it is nearly May.

He isn't exactly the fittest without the injuries, so expecting him to start in all likelihood would either have seen him blowing after 15-20 minutes or picking up another set of injuries. None of us would want that.

So, rather than negligence, the coaching set-up have selected the best available players. It is hardly a new concept. Players build up their retu
from the bench, to a point they are fit enough to start.

In all likelihood, Moyes does want to start him, on the right. Prior to those 14 games, he had started 5 of those games. But until he is fit, he would still offer something from the bench when the game has opened up.

None of this is why we lost yesterday. We lost yesterday because our captain can't deal with aerial balls, our keeper flaps, and Ga
er was looking on where the right-back would have been positioned for Wilson's winner. You can't gift 2 goals like that and expect to win. Particularly when we lack quality going forward.

If either Beto or Barry is the first-choice striker next season,
then expect more mid-table mediocrity.

I'm still staggered that our "recruitment team" looked at him a number of times and decided we should shank £27M on him.

Barry and McNeil selected again... even after their recent performances, why??

I think Everton should say a big thank you to Moyes for his efforts over the past 18 months and for the improvement of the team but it is time to part ways.

Pickford is a great shot stopper and has saved Everton over the last few seasons from relegation but he is increasingly a liability at co
ers and set pieces. I would sell him while his stock is still relatively high.

Barry and Beto are not Premier League standard and need to be sold on. Whoever scouted these two and Dibling needs to be sacked.

Tarkowski has been very disappointing in his last couple of games and needs a break.

Absolutely sickening... if anything, why didn't he praise the performance of Kie
an Dewsbury-Hall after another fine performance and yet another goal?

No, he's made it as plain as the nose on his face that he'll be an Everton player this summer if the Hammers drop; that's the level of signing we've got to look forward to.

It sickened me, but let's face it, he lives in the past anyway, nearly every presser he mentions Baines, Lescott, Cahill etc. Yes, David, all great players for us... but well retired.

Here's an idea: Why don't you analyse the squad you've got now and think "I'm going to change the tactics for the last 4 games, ie, 4-3-3 or 4-4-2. It can't be any worse."

No not a fucking prayer you'd change anything. You'll leave Beto ploughing a lone furrow up top and the same non productive midfield that creates nothing.

Oh and bring Patterson in at right-back, drop that over-rated clown, Tarkowski, and put O'Brien alongside Keane.

We're not going down, we're not getting into Europe, so experiment -- it's not rocket science.

I was racking my declining brain cells to recall which player he went for in his first spell... Again, no one thought he was the missing piece but he chased him for 18 months: Simon Davies. Underwhelming, if I'm being kind.

I remember when Spain played England in the last European final, the Manchester City player Rodri, who I'd say is easily a 9.5 out of 10 player, was saying that he was very tired because of the amount of high-level football he had been playing.

This absolutely top drawer footballer (I'm sure he won the Ballon d'Or) was replaced in this game at half-time by another player who was probably no more than an 8 out of 10 player, but he was fresh.

The 8 out of 10 player was probably the difference in the second half, helping the Spanish win the game. Not long later, Rodrigo suffered a very serious injury, possibly because he was still suffering the effects of the previous couple of seasons.

I used to think Moyes never had enough money to make a bigger and better squad but, on closer inspection, I genuinely don't believe he's got the personality to manage a bigger and better squad.

Do you know what, mate, I'd totally agree with that assumption. I've praised Moyes but probably the coward in me thinking he'd never have us in any relegation trouble.

I've been out today and speaking to a few reds who actually go the games and they seem to think Moyes is a good manager. When I challenge them on it, they come out with the same tired old line, well, who would yous get?

My answer is I don't know but then again that's not my shout, is it? Other sides of a similar ilk get decent gaffers in, so why can't we?

I'm sick of the same old turgid 5-4-1 shite and I know I'm getting that next Monday against Man City. I'm a week away from that game but I can tell everyone on here what's coming, as we all can.

Were not fools, we are an intelligent fan base so please stop insulting us with the same crap, for fuck's sake, mix it up. We've nothing to lose or gain, just change please -- it's now or never, we might even surprise ourselves.

I asked you earlier in this thread what was Alcaraz's injury, you never replied.

I have never read what his injury was. Can you enlighten us?

I think there is something going on behind the scenes between Moyes and Alcaraz.

I watched Charly when he was coming off the field after being subbed... I can't read minds but he wasn't very happy with Moyes and I think Saturday was the first time Charly has been on the field since that incident.

No love between them — but Moyes picks the team!

I think you have nailed it about footballers and playing too much football.

For me, James Ga
er has done exactly that this season, has he missed a minute off the field? I don't think so… yet fans on here are starting to have a go at him for a couple of not-so-good games.

A few weeks ago when James was selected for England and looked like there was a good chance he would be selected for the World Cup squad I posted that I hoped he wouldn't be going to the World Cup because Everton would suffer next season if he did, I also stated that he would need the whole of the summer break to recover and rest after the season he has just put in.

While Moyes ignores plenty of players and gives them hardly any time on the field he has worked the bollocks off James with no respite.

England's gain would be Everton's loss next season, James should be resting after being Everton's player of the season and one of the best last season.

If TFG would bother attending a match, they'd see this.

You cannot play an entire Premier League season with the amount of players we've not used. If we're content with mid-table mediocrity, then Moyes is our man. If not, then it's clear a change is needed.