Branthwaite price likely to be too rich for PSV

I give up on trying to judge players if the lad is on the market for only £12 million.

All bluster and nonsense, Si, surely. I can't imagine we'd let him go for less than triple that amount.

Branthwaite played 36 games for PSV, including games in Europe, he's 21, 6'6, leftsided centreback, will come back a better player.
We've lost Mina and probably Coady, Keane and Holgate are not up to it, so why would the club sell him for£12m?

Pretty sure the Championship spend more than Eredivisie - so we shouldn't be surprised or bothered they can't or won't muster £12m for the kid. It's absolutely no reflection on him.

From our side, I'd be extremely disappointed if it's true we offered them a fee that low, or even any a fee at all. Unless it was for first option on Xavi Simons at a set price, but I doubt we're that bright.

We need to keep players like Jarrod and build around him. Selling him and signing / playing Coady sends a message to all the youngsters across Europe they won't get a game here. That's the very last thing we need.

Personally hope the Shea Charles rumours true also. Seeing a team built around Jarrod, Shea, Jimmy G, Nathan, McNeil, Onana, Cannon, et al could really change our entire identity as a club.

I suppose it's down to Dyche, Thelwell and whoever is in charge (don't laugh) of the accounts as our alternatives seem to be to sell off the family silver (the better players, we do have 2 or 3), reduce the wage bill by those coming to the end of their contract either leaving or accepting a negotiated wage cut, or loaning out promising juniors and getting lucky in offloading an overpaid player or two. The interesting part maybe if the three wise men can get together and form a plan or if it's down to the majority or the one with seniority. If you know our history then that alone will be an almost accomplishment.

£12Million - gtf; if they can't afford that there'll be a queue of those who can - starting with those lovable stamps across the park.

At £12 Mill, his age, size and the season he's just had is classic 'buy cheap sell dear' Brands-esque business.

He was better and faster than Coady and Keane 12mths ago.

Bring him back, tie him down on a new deal and if possible don't sell him to keep the banks happy...or if you have to; quote large.

He should be in the team alongside Tarks next season. I'd rather watch him make mistakes for the 2nd or 3rd time than watch Keane or Holgate make them for the 100th time!

Jarrod, Simms, Warrington, etc should all be part of the squad and actually used!

I'm a big fan of what Dyche managed this season and am excited to see how he can build upon it. But one of my worries about him is he has not traditionally played or trusted a lot of youngsters. We saw this to a degree with the limited minutes Simms got.

I really like Branthwaite and hope he gets the chance to establish himself as a PL player, though it will be a big jump up. Him and Tarkowski should be a good pair in theory. But will Dyche trust him?

Will be interesting to see which CBs we sell and if we keep Coady. Personally I'd rather not as I think he's pretty limited and even at £5m we could spend that money elsewhere, but if we get decent offers for Keane or Holgate it might make sense. I'd keep Godfrey for now and hope Dyche can teach him how to position himself better!

I thought that I read somewhere that PSV offered £15 million for Brainthwaith, in January, but Everton turned this offer, which would have been a record signing for the Dutch club, down?

Sam.
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Sam, my hope is that Dyche's lack of faith in youth was just pragmatism given his crap squad at Burnley, lack of money - and lack of the club infrastructure that enables youth recruitment and development (which they now have in part because I think Kompany owns a business that's involved in that sort of thing).

In fairness, he did take on Mee, Keane, Trippier and McNeil as youngsters from City and Utd academies and then develop all of them.

To Lee's point (#7) I think he'd be happy to build around Branthwaite (although that decision is out of his hands). Not playing the likes of Simms etc is probably down to quality in the end.

Had we gone down, the youth products might have helped to bulk out the squad - but it's not even clear that most of them are even Championship level (miles behind where Kenny, Davies, Dowell were at the same age). So it's unlikely they'll be used in the Premier League.

Robert, yes, I'm hoping the same thing and there are definitely question marks over Simms ability at this level. He could probably use a full season on loan in the Championship to work on his game and in particular his hold-up and link-up ability.

Branthwaite seems a step up from Simms and Cannon and Warrington etc. Hopefully he gets the chance to develop with us though he would have to hit the ground running you'd think.

Am I the only TWer reasonably sanguine about next season?

We have the best English goalie, two full-backs who are reasonably good and likely to improve as they are both young, good midfielders and wide players, and a good, albeit injury-prone centre-forward.

Also some reasonably good squad players and a manager who knows his way round the Premier League and can organise and motivate a team. Hopefully he will bring new strength and conditioning training to minimise all these muscle injuries we get.

Of course the squad itself is desperately thin, which is why Dyche doesn't use substitutes, so recruitment is needed. But in terms of matches, I'm not too concerned about the coming season. Or is this just my blue-tinted glasses?

I am with you, Roger, re next season and beyond that – as long as we give Dyche the time, money and support to build a decent squad.

He is a proper leader and the team look fitter plus mentally tougher with him there. With him in charge alongside a proper pre-season and some new players in key areas, I am quite optimistic about next season.

One of the teams I sometimes go to watch their matches inside the stadium is PSV so I've seen Jarrad in live action a couple of times and saw him on TV even more often. I'm really impressed by the lad. One of the best players of PSV after the world cup break - I'd go as far as to say that only Xavi Simons was better. And I think Xavi Simons has world class potential and will leave PSV for a European Super League team.

There's a reason that PSV are offering a decent amount of money from their perspective, that is) for him. The same reason why Everton is discarding these offers out of hand.

Jarrad is, from a Dutch perspective surprisingly enough for an English defender, quite good on the ball and very involved in the build up of play. He goes forward on the right occasions, recognizes the momentum. He is very energetic and communicative and has a good work ethic. He's strong in duels and his timing is excellent. He's quick and agile.

For the Premier League, he should probably hit the gym this summer to get even stronger. It is also questionable if he exactly suits Dyche's type of play. But apart from these things he's the real deal and I would love to see him at Everton next season. A rough gem that could shine very brightly. Hope Dyche sees this the same.

I'm not sure if Dyche's record is that bad with youngsters. Apart from Keane and McNeil, Dyche also developed Trippier after signing him for Burnley from Man City.

As an aside, Trippier is on record as saying that the only manager he'd play for again is Dyche, he's full of praise for how he turned him into the player he is today. Doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon though, sadly.

Erik@16, thank you. In some way he sounds like he could go some way to replacing Mina, who was comfortably our best defender when fit (I was hoping he might possibly stay for a reduced contract). His calm on the ball, and strength and pace were crucial in our survival run-in.

The Premier League will be a step up for Branthwaite and not many 20-year-olds are able to nail down a starting place but he certainly has the potential and I fully expect we'll be selling him in a year or two for 㿔M+.

I think Tarkowski, Branthwaite, Keane and Godfrey next season would not be too bad (with Reece Welch as 5th choice maybe) though if we could sell Keane and upgrade that would be good (I'd take Salisu from Southampton if we could get for similar price to Keane)

Roger and Paul, I posted after the game on Sunday that, depending on some major ‘if's' (such as if DCL can be ‘cured', if Godfrey can be got back on track) we had some sort of framework to begin to fashion a decent starting 11 from. I see that as possible even if the club can't spend loads.
Building a proper squad of 18-20 will take much longer but a decent manager could at least make us much more consistently difficult to beat by careful recruitment and working with key players over the summer, in my opinion

I agree with most comments on Robert's article. If, it's a big 'if', we have a takeover on the lines published on ToffeeWeb; and if we can use any of the 𧴦M approx, due from the Premier League, then he might have some money to spend. But we've got to take into account any action the P&S investigation takes.

Until all that's cleared up, he's got to work on little or no money, hence I think he's let Conor Coady go, and more will be sold or sent out if he can do so.

I also think he's a pretty shrewd manger and done quite well with Burnley on little or no money. Robert has indicated who Dyche might look at, who are available for little or no transfer fee, and low-ish wages. The very opposite on how we began to spend with Moshiri and Kenwright in charge with Brands as DoF.

I think we've got some very good players and some decent players; but the manager has to mix and match once the injuries kick in. So we need a few more.

Wasn't Ben Godfrey a centre-half when we bought him?Anyway, he's a big, fast athletic player when fit, so maybe Sean will work on him and he could be utilised next season in one or two positions. I don't know if Townsend is fit or just can't get over the injury he had. I like him and I'd like to see him stay, as I think he's decent on the right wing,

I guess that Sean already knows, who he can sell, send out on loan or let go at end of their contracts. I can't see him wanting to wait long either, to bring in players needed. He'll want to work on the recruitment and the squad's numbers as soon as possible.

I don't see us wanting or being able to pay for a star with the wages he commands; but without a doubt, we desperately need the best goalscorer we can afford.

Players like Branthwaite and Simms are good players. Look at the season Jarrad has just had.

I think the atmosphere and morale of the team and the whole club can have a massive effect on young players. I mean look at the seasoned professionals that have struggled to make an impact playing for us.

It's time for a change of ethos, mentality, mindset call it what you want. We need to develop him like with Calvert-Lewin. He had his years of development… okay, now he's injured but was bought for ٟM and was getting sniffed around at 㿞M.

There's a reason big clubs want this lad. He's head and shoulders above other lads at his level.

Keep Branthwaite
Keep Garner
Keep Patterson
Keep Mykolenko
Keep McNeil
Keep Onana
Keep Pickford
Keep Calvert-Lewin
Keep Simms

The rest are basically biding their time till they leave or we can get any decent fee. Build a team. A team – not a bunch of misfit wannabees. I'd rather buy 10 decent prospects than 1 Maupay. And what did Maupay contribute?? Nothing.

So let's build instead of buy!!

Jarrad Braanthwaite is just the type of talented young footballer who would want his bumps feeling if he and/or his agent were to indulge us by signing a new contract. This after a successful season in Holland at a club where meaningful European football is far more likely than it is for us, and for years to come given the hopeless (repeat, "hopeless") antics of Moshiri and his muppets (and, come to that, is Moshiri himself a mere muppet?)

PSV know what every professional club knows.

And that is that the gruesome two-some still bizarrely in apparent charge of us have rendered our club ridiculous whenever it comes to any sort of business to any club with any vestige of "professionalism" – such as lil' 'ol PSV on this occasion.